Since this Sunday will be the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 massacre, I am about to post an analysis of where the 9/11 Truth movement stands today. In the meantime, however, I am sharing with you a most interesting video, so interesting in fact that I decided to post it on the “analysis” section of the blog. Lars Schall has kindly sent me his interview with Prof. Marc Chesney, for which I am most grateful to him. Enjoy this thought-provoking video!
Forgive if off topic, or I miss the point – I haven’t been able to listen to this interview yet, but I skimmed enough to see it’s talking about.insider trading prior to 9/11.
I remember Jim Rickards talking about the same thing, perhaps on a Max Keiser show in the last couple of years sometime. He was talking about the CIA or whatever agency, watching stock trading around the world, because often you could see loss-of-confidence types of trading as a precursor to a violent outbreak somewhere, a terror act for example.
He hastened – rather hastily – to add that although there was just such an uptick in activity right before 9/11, this wasn’t to suggest that there was actual inside knowledge of the event being planned. He tried to show it was a market thing. But to my mind, he seemed to be panicking a little at that point, realizing what the implications were of what he was saying.
The moment passed. Rickards walks a funny line between consulting the US government and writing in the alternative stream.
I look forward to watching this later – be interesting to see how the volume of insider trading compares with Silverstein’s insurance swindle.
Sorry again for commenting before studying the material.
Grieved, the stock manipulations are another pointer towards the true perpetrators. Who benefits, by provoking a war between the West and Islam, enabling the destruction of all its neighbours, by its catspaw, the USA? Israel. Whose PM could hardly contain his glee as it happened? Israel. Who has the expertise in such a vast operation, lots of previous experience in false-flags, and a network of sayanim and Sabbat Goy stooges inside USA to facilitate the operation, then the propaganda campaign? Israel. And who knows that, due to their control of US and Western politics, the MSM and other centres of power, they would enjoy total impunity, and anyone who dared point out the clues to their involvement would be instantly and totally silenced and vilified as an ‘antisemite’? Israel. The stock manipulations and insurance scams just show that they couldn’t turn up such an opportunity to make money.
Remember the ‘dancing Israelis’?
They operated through a front company and were seen dancing in joy on the day of the tragedy.
Not surprisingly, senior dual citizens intervened and they were quickly whisked off to Israel.
And then ask yourself “was it good for the Jews
Netanyahu is on record expressing his joy at the events:
….Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, “It’s very good.” “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.”
He predicted that the attack would “strengthen the bond between our two peoples…….”
The New York Times
September 11, 2001
Just the other day I did some reading on classic economics where Ricardo made some contributions to the discipline while amassing a fortune for himself.
Son of large progeny of Jewish stockbrokers kicked out of Portugal, settled in Amsterdam and then England for richer pickings (perhaps in fear of Napoleon). Waterloo was the killer blow to Bonapartism but guess who else made a killing out of it? Ricardo.
He owned a financial rag whose reporting suggested that Waterloo would end in disaster for the Coalition – which almost did in fact. As a result there was a lot of panic selling and Ricardo scooped large amounts of stock at a rock bottom price. He made over a million pounds, a staggering amount of money then.
And they are still at it…
Follow the money…
Chesney reminds me slightly of Peter Sellers, unfortunately…
We will “never” know “for certain” what happened on 9/11 as long as the current two party regime remains in power in the US. Until,or unless,they fall,the questions will go unasked and unanswered “officially”. And all the theories will remain just that “theories”. Dozens of them out in alternate media,and no solid investigation to bring the needed proof to expose and convict anyone.It will be like the countless theories of the Kennedy Assassination. Talked about,written about,praised and ridiculed by many people almost daily But with no solid answers.And as time passes,even less likely to be solved. It does “amaze” me though. That with all the “hackers” we constantly hear about. That one or more of them haven’t “tackled” that mystery and exposed “something,anything” about it.I like 99.9% pf Americans at the start I “believed” the regimes claims about 9/11. Even though as some “strange” things came out. It said to me that the government was even “more stupid” than I had thought on security. But then,as more and more,information (or at least “questions”) came out. I began to see that something was wrong with the official story.And now I like a lot of people I question the regimes propaganda on the event entirely. Too many “coincidences” happened in that event,for me to believe it possible to have happened as they claim.
As you say dozens of theories, but as in MH17 it is the political side of things that point towards the culprits and in this case the financials.
not a matter of co-incidence. the frank and obvious objective facts speak for themselves. “Reichstag Fire”. the “coincidences” are part of the con, just as the official story is a canon of “conspiracy theory” – although that abuses the word “theory”, as there is zero science and 100% faith involved in the official story. it just plain bs. the canon requires us to believe in fairy tales. treats the public like children. this tells us about the kind of world view the perps have. they see us as children, or rubes, or cattle.
Oh,I have no problem believing it at all. We “exceptional” people “don’t need no stinkin history education”. That’s what we have “leaders” like Killery for. They can point us in the right direction. So we don’t need to “overload” our brains (and spoil our fun time) with “useless” information on “World stuff”. After all everyone “knows” we are the “one exceptionable and indispensable” nation. Our leaders and media tell us that constantly,so it “must” be true,right? People “like us” don’t need to “think” we just “tell ” others what to do and they do it. If you don’t believe that look at our neighbors and the EU. If we say jump,they say “how high”.So no,I’m not at all surprised that “my people” don’t know anything about 9/11 (except it was a bad attack by”A-rabs” on us).But “things” are better now. Our “good friends” the Israelis,gave us good advise on how to handle ,”them A-rabs”. Just ask 9 out of 10 Americans today,”we” all know that.
If I recall the official investigation of the insider trading reached the conclusion that those persons or entities associated with the suspicious trades had no connection to or relationship with Osama bin Laden and so could not have been related to the attacks and the matter was dropped.
Very interesting indeed. Thank you for posting.
I love the music they put from the horror movie ” The Shining”. Fitted perfectly for the subject discussed.
Carmel by the Sea
The Truth exists, but Lies are are invented!
Basically, this topic is a “career killer” for all journalists and academics.
Once you deviate from the official narrative being banded about, prepare for destruction: whether professional or in some cases physical!
Welcome to your dystopia – everything is accepted here except the truth. ….
This topic is the biggest reason I believe Donald Trump is most certainly a controlled opposition or outright weak man. He has mentioned or alluded to various conspiracy theories – autism causing vaccines, the real unemployment rate, ISIS being a US-funded machination, etc – but he deliberately sticks to the 9/11 narrative and uses it to launch into anti-Islam tirades. We all know the official narrative cannot be true in its current form, regardless of what actually happened, nor can the subsequent invasions be justified. He’s clearly a stooge and I hope the intelligent alt-right doesn’t fall for it.
All you have to know is that the 9/11 debris was carted off to china immediately – the crime scene of a national tragedy! The complete opposite action of an impartial investigation.
What a load of rubbish.
Pictures at the scene around midday on 9/11 show there was no debris pile to account for two 110 storey buildings – two 500 milion ton blocks of steel and concrete should leave a debris pile that was higher than the remaining WTC buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6. That’s why news reporters from the scene on the day following were asking ‘where has all the rubble gone?’ … because there wasn’t any rubble. Towers 1, 2 turned to dust in mid air and blew away in the wind. Read Dr Judy Wood’s definitive examination of the facts of 9/11 ‘Where Did The Towers Go?’ So much material had billowed out of building 7 by 5pm that when it ‘fell’ it didn’t even register a seismic signal.
The construction steel wasn’t shipped to China, that’s for sure.
There were two main construction materials, steel and concrete.
It’s obvious what happened to the concrete. It was pulverized and went everywhere.
As to the steel, WTC 1 and 2 had 7 stories underground. Since it was a perfectly controlled demolition, almost all of the steel ended in the “bathtub” (so-called because it had a slurry wall as it was below the ground water level).
There was a lot of steel recovered: 185,000 tons. Since each tower was built with about 100,000 tons of steel, that’s a 92.5% recovery rate.
Thanks for the facts. They tend to destroy fantasies, don’t they?
not in China but according to the Indian Express debris as it was mentioned arrived in Gujerat shortly after the event
Trump’s silence re 911 seems even more suspicious when one remembers that Trump is a large property owner in New York, and would have lots of technical advisors who know about demolishing high rise buildings, installing explosives, discarding debris, insurance etc. So he probably knows the truth – but is keeping stum not to spoil his chances of election.
US elections are so well managed that no matter how many candidates on offer, no matter who wins, the country always gets the best POTUS that money can buy.
There is footage on the day of event with Trump saying that this was a demolition job. He was young then.
I watched the brilliant films of the two planes hitting the WTC in 9/11 on the day it happened at breakfast in the Boston YWCA residence on Berkley Street or the Berkley YWCA on the help’s massive TV never seen on before. The flood of new propaganda hammered all ears as CNN announced who had done this horrible massacre over and over , and exactly why they had done this too! Immediately weird.
Always sitting for our two meals a day with different women, especially foreign ones as I was moving permanently there, I happened to sit with a uniformed train officer readying to travel in to Manhattan
within the hour. She invited me to accompany her. Afraid of getting lost in the chaos unfolding, everyone in the streets just to see what was happening said no thanks..going to get the 9/11 New York Times across the street.And for every day after that day I remained in the USA, rad each one cover to cover. I remember Chesney’s name and comments then from the next few years of cover to cover Times reading as the US Government Police State was set up as if in response to real terrorists running the globe, gutting NYT honest coverage of news. Homeland Security was openly set up of a size to police the globe, certainly Europe’s 500 million and US’s 300 million combined could be swallowed whole in Homeland.
I did not start writing formally analysing politics or political movements until 2006 I had moved to Amsterdam, Netherlands my home-state, my second attempt to stay. My analyses were always spot on to my sceptical surprise in my inner articulate research of the why’s behind events of great deliberate gore.So I returned the third time to USA where both sons lived, worked, studied, in the US,
worried for them.To the same Residence, same telephone sales job, same NYT paper, not in Europe except reading the International version, quite other. Most American facts are carefully left out.
In about 2008 I returned again to Amsterdam to state sponsored housing again, having moved to my Grandfather’s town of Detroit, Michigan n 2007 to write what I found of him still there, he having saved Detroit from the Great Depression, ordered there by Roosevelt in 1933. Papa died there on the First National Bank of Detroit management coalition which he’d stepped into as he stepped down as President..
There was no one history of him anywhere in the crumbling city. I found one tome encyclopaedia I remembered he had had in his home library of a list of famous US citizens, and found his name, dates, accomplishments and origin. At a Detroit records office I learned later the city had in the 1980s made law that no records of any Detroit resident would survive after three years of their leaving Detroit. I asked the two main newspapers if they would be interested in a short biography of the once leading citizen to insert in their news. “No!” I analysed that carefully too. I flew back to Amsterdam in May 2008, having been watched in Detroit the 8 months I lived there, watched and followed.A life changing “accident” carefully induced as I picked up a grown, trained, pure Rottweiler to protect my wide ranging walks.
In Amsterdam I found a cheap large flat as if by accident, that actually was no accident, and just started learning how to write political analysis, the US generated gore increasing by the month, it’s secretive iron grip on Amsterdam becoming extremely visible, small surveillance planes scouring the city suddenly. “To keep us safe!” some kids explained happily, the adults not seeming to notice. I alone have been watched by them far more than is safe.On purpose, to terrorise. Then the whole city was chipped for any travel but walking. US orders. Queen Juliana and Queen Beatrix both seemed to believe the US won WW11.So Holland celebrated the US Fourth of July until Beatrix’s son, King Willem, took over. Britain has had all it’s class books changed to state that untruth too.Obama of course echoed the lie himself the year he announced no-one was to go to celebrate the end of WW11
as only the US won it.
I wrote every day for hours, still do. Chesney’s name and claim that 9/11 trades were made, I remember writing about and posting on a set of blog lists a friend had inserted me into.Fascinating that Chesney is still pursuing 9/11 complicity on Wall Street. The Donald would be very interested.
Does Putin know, have the proofs? US intelligence made sure my connection to the two blogs stopped posting me. Now my Facebook and Twitter posts can be saved to use against me by growing US Intelligence services arrogance. Who cares, am posted. I assume only.
Since I have a top secret J.Edgar Hoover file on me from the year my first son was born in 1960, then refreshed under GW Bush1 to last until 2020, surely the feds are embellishing the evils they decided to watch me in order to stop in 1980 just in case genocide is found to have been governmentally engaged in in my entire family, European and American and someone sues.. They poisoned my second son to death in 2012 still at the SCAD art college the CIA set up 5 years before….to catch brilliant photojournalists before they make famous photos that indite the US as done in Vietnam. Now of course the US is openly killing them whereas during the Iraq war the journalists were imbedded in order to Friendly fire on them with ease..
US writing and journalism used to be famous, no longer allowed.Protection for Marc Chesney might be in order. Whether or not Mrs. Clinton is crowned.
US journalism has always supported the story of the crooks running the show and unfortunately quite some of the country’s writers did not do that much better:
“1870: UNITED STATES. That American icon, Mark Twain, gets into the spirit of the genocide being conducted against native Americans and descends into racist hatred in The Noble Red Man when he writes: “He is ignoble, base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts.””
Find a chronological order of mostly horrific US historic facts at this blog:
Wonderful music for the intro and the outro.
Unfortunately the video failed the face up to the real issue: share trading.
The pernicious evil practice of share trading should be banned because apart from usuary, it is the most immoral and vile way of making money that robs a nation and its people of their assets.
So Israel blew up the Twin Towers and the Israeli operatives made a few million bucks on the side from some manipulation of a rotten, immoral and obnoxious financial system that destroys jobs, and is the cause of poverty and homelessness.
These crimes show a people with no morals using an immoral system to make a few million worthless dollars. A fiat currency supported by a bunch of lying thieves.
Without usuary and share dealing, neither of which benefit anybody but the idle rich, there would not be a problem.
I agree. You went to the crux of the problem. Congrats.
“15 years later: On the physics of high-rise building collapses” published in September 2016 EuroPhysics News:
Some people have not forgotten and keep fighting.
Some people have not forgotten and keep fighting.
Just wait until my article on 911 fifteen years later on Sunday ;-)
Can’t wait to read about more ‘collapse’ junk. Planes cannot disappear into steel framed buildings.
It was the Saker’s link to “Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth” that converted me from a dozy Believer to an enlightened Truther. I reckoned that if a trustworthy person like Saker had begun to doubt the official version after years of believing it, the Truthers were worth a second look. Please have a look at Saker’s link if you have not already done so. The physical truth is not “out there” just hanging – it is available in thorough scientific and technical documentation for all to see. But the legal truth awaits the setting up of a large criminal investigation and trial: to plan and execute such a large physical destruction, involving tons of high explosive carefully planted inside the buildings, there had to be influential conspirators – both inside the building and inside the US govt – who were they?
The following is a fascinating report on the insider trading/financial aspect of 9/11:
Here is an update. In fact, these video series (9/11 Suspects) are some of the best on this subject, and I believe, I’ve seen them all.
9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani
9/11 Suspects: Christine Todd Whitman
9/11 Suspects: Philip Zelikow
9/11 Suspects: Robert Baer
9/11 Suspects: General Ralph Eberhart
He will be posting few more episodes in the next few days.
MM & MaH
Yup, israelis. Their greedy little fingerprints are all over it.
Check the footage in this video at exactly 21.47. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY The building begins to collapse at the floor where the main fire is burning, which is where the camera is focused and I take it, the floor that the plane hit.
A lot of theories about it being a controlled demolition … but how do the explosive devises and their detonating mechanisms survive first the plane hit, then a very intense fire for half an hour or so and then detonate as planned to bring down the building? It is for that reason I still think the impact and fire is what brought the towers down.
A number of structural columns taken out by the plane greatly reducing the safety factor, fire weakening the remaining support columns?
WT7 is another story.
That is the official version, believable by lay people – but not by “Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth”. To test the official theory, one has to make a detailed mathematical model of how exactly one weakened strut could bring down a whole building in free fall, turning it to dust and molten steel. The official committee refuse to release details of their mathematical model “for reasons of national insecurity”; so the official explanation is at best worthless, at worst suspiciously evasive.
WT7 is not “another story”. It is exactly the same story: all 3 buildings collapse in exactly the same manner, in free fall by controlled demolition. The 2 planes were just there to provide smoke and mirrors for the explosives that were previously installed, ready to “pull” all 3 buildings. The question is not WHAT brought them down but WHO fixed those buildings to be brought down?.
See david chandler’s detailed and lucid exposition of the mechanism that brought them down. Far more detailed and comprehensive than the official report.
Architects and engineers in the land where everybody sues everybody have a financial interest in it being controlled demolition. Perhaps some believe it.
I stopped looking at the different controlled demolition theories some time ago when none matched video evidence.
Like the link above by commenter the pessimist, just too much missing too much not accounted for.
All these oddball theories use the fact that other burning buildings don’t collapse.
The trouble is, they compare the WTC 1 and 2 to a simple fire. It needs to be compared to other buildings which have been hit by large passenger jets. How many structural columns where taken out by the engines landing gear and other heavy masses in the aircraft? How many were damaged?
Even slight damage or distortion makes a huge difference to compressive strength.
But the big question – for a controlled demolition, how are the cutting charges and their fusing protected from the impact and fire?
Also the theories say the building imploded. The first building – it is clear in the above video at 21.50/51 – the top section of the building leans about 20 degrees as the impacted floor collapses one side first. Damaged support columns can clearly be seen in the video in the minutes before the crash.
Well, I remember the documentary that assessed the factor of the burning aluminium of the aeroplanes once it got going after the other stuff sustained the fires ,sufficient to affect the steel structure……..
What was the nano thermite doing in the rubble, then? Was it just hanging around enjoying breakfast when the air liners hit?
Also you conveniently misrepresent how a controlled demolition works. All that is needed to start the process is for one of the top floors to collapse, this will begin the collapse, then they can trigger the rest immediately after. The charges can be individually controlled to fire and can be controlled to fire in sequence.
What this means is the controllers wait to see what floor the aircraft strikes, fire the charges below it and have the remaining charges below these fire in correct order.
BTW, didn’t you post comments at the guardian under the name “iron snot”?
And therein lies another key piece of evidence against an “organic” collapse, or “pancake theory”. That leaning piece of building should have struck the unaffected 70 or 80 story scrap of building below it, and it should have been sent off in the direction it was leaning. Instead, it simply disappears straight down into the dust cloud, because there was nothing in its way.
The probability of an “organic” collapse is similar to the probability that you can balance a pencil on the desk, standing on its point, and have it stay standing that way without any help.
That is a point often overlooked: the sheer difficulty of making a tall building collapse straight down ‘into its own footprint’. Especially – as you point out – if the top steel begins tilting sidewise on failure, as in no.1 building. For a straight down collapse to happen 3 times on the same day by non-identical failure of 3 heat-warped steel skeletons: it stretches improbability to such an extent that one might as well call this event a miracle. If the committee have a mathematical model capable of predicting such a miraculous coincidence occuring in 3 buildings on the same day, why are they hiding it under their cloak of ‘national insecurity’?
“Tell me, O Senator, what is making your toga stick out in front so?”
“I am holding a roll of secret despatches between my thighs, O Lysistrata”.
@ Dr. N.G. Maroudas
Buildings one and two were both hit by similar aircraft and similar fires so if that was the cause of the collapse then failure mechanism would be similar in each as both had the same structural design.
As I said earlier WTC 7 different story.
“Hit by similar aircraft and similar fires” you wrote,
But those airplanes hit from one specific direction, non-symmetrically damaging only part of one or two facades and some of the core columns.
In case of a failure by weakening of the structure and gravity these failures would necessarily also have to be non-symmetrical. The tilting top of the tower you mentioned would have come down in one piece, in one particular direction, doing a lot of damage, but the rest of the high-rise would have remained standing strong…
You’ve got to realize the following about the marvellous structural design of the twin towers.
The 47 column core could easily carry the total weight of the tower many times over. That is all of the structure with everyting inside even in case ALL perimeter columns would have been severed at street level. In such a case the ‘hard hat’ of the building would have carried the perimeter and the attached floors. This including the legally required safety factor and then some.
The 4 corner structures alone could carry all of the structure.
The other perimeter columns could carry the total weight of the tower including all of the core, even in case the core would be totally severed at street level.
Better even, the perimeter columns were around three times stronger than necessary to support the just mentioned whole structure times safety factor. Why? Because at the necessary calculated column gauge the perimeter columns would under load show a higher elastical deformation than the core columns which would cause an approximate two feet difference between core and perimeter level at the highest floors and thus the perimeter had to be re-designed way stronger than just necessary to support weight, windshear, seismic, and other forces.
If it looks like a demolition, smells like a demolition, smokes like a demolition and sounds like a demolition it’s a…, demolition!
“To test the official theory, one has to make a detailed mathematical model of how exactly one weakened strut could bring down a whole building in free fall,”
A passenger jet only hitting at 4-500mph only “weakened” one strut? No way it would have knocked the gypsom/plasterbard fire proofing off the central core columns nor distorted or damaged the inner core or outer perimeter columns. It wouldn’t have damaged the steel web trussing under the next floor no damaged the flexible floor to wall couplings?
No mathematical model can be made until the exact damage caused by the impact is known.
The architects involved in the creation of these towers made claims that all of them were made specifically to sustain and overcome a passenger plane crash. Buildings like this do not fall into its own footprint! They were literary pulverized into dust.
The official theories are meaningless. It is like asking Marlin Manson to be his own investigator, his own jury, and his own judge and then be surprised by the resulting verdict.
I cannot take seriously anyone who takes official theories as a basis for been reasonable.
For awhile I looked at the different controlled demolition theories with their cherry picked pieces of video with microsoft paint red arrows and circles showing bugger-all and thought there may have been something in it.
When somebody can explain how preset cutting charges can survive the impact and fire, and the planes can hit the exact floor where the cutting charges where placed then I will again look at it.
By the the way, I first saw the official version in wikipedia after reading the tin foil theory above and wondering about steel grades and heat treatment.
A false flag event is dead easy to pull off. Set up a sting operation but then let it run its course. US have been planning large false flag operations since at least operation northwoods, no doubt longer, and sting operations have been run forever.
For the two towers to come down in a controlled demolition starting at the plane impact floors on both is getting into tin foil hat territory.
I’ll see your tinfoil hat and raise you a conical dunce cap.
Your “pancake theory” is obviously wrong, by simple Newtonian mechanics. Even though the second pancake cannot support the weight of the first, when the moving pancake encounters the stationary one, it is slowed down.
So you have pancake 1 accelerating downward … after it falls 1 floor, it encounters pancake 2. As a result of that encounter, the combination is now moving at 1/2 the speed of pancake 1. One floor later, pancakes 1 and 2 encounter pancake 3. They are slowed to 2/3 of the speed they were moving. And so forth. Simple conservation of momentum. The result is that it is significantly slower than free-fall.
The videos of all 3 buildings show them accelerating toward the ground at 1g, or very close to that speed. The analysis is fairly simple – count how many pixels per floor, and the height of the floors is known from architectural data. The videos were taken at a known frame rate such as 30/sec. And with that information, you can measure the speed at which things are moving.
WTC 7 was the best example, as there was very little dust in its initial stages of collapse. It fell at 9.8 m/s^2, within the accuracy of the video. If you’ve ever had an elementary physics class, you’ll recognize that acceleration rate as 1g. Nothing slowed it down. All support was gone and out of the way at the same time. It didn’t even lean, but remained straight.
Now comes the practical implementation of structural sabotage or demolition charges.
That would require many loose lips to physically implement and precise timing throughout the sequence of events initiated by both planes striking the buildings at a precise spot, without the impact nor fire destroying the ignition mechanisms of explosives or thermite nor igniting them.
A false flag event involving aircraft being hijacked and flown into buildings … well the US government has form on planning that style of operation documented by its own documents declassified and released to public. Sting operations are run all the time, and the initial part of the sting where the agent works with the target to .. for want of a better word .. plan an attack until the arrests would be exactly the same for a false flag operation allowed to carry through.
It is the practical aspects of a controlled demolition or sabotage on WTC1 and 2, to operation in conjunction with the aircraft strikes becomes incredibly complicated and near impossible to carry out in practice.
Part of the reasoning behind controlled demolition seems to be that people consider these buildings were designed by architects and engineers to withstand an aircraft strike.
This bridge was designed by engineers and architects of the time to withstand the natural environment, yet light wind destroyed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggxeuFDaDU
Great! Comparing apples and oranges. How dare you compare the 1940’s design of a bridge that pushed the limits of flexibility and flimsiness in too many ways with a 1960’s design tower that was built after decennia of sound experience with steel and steel-concrete high-rises without incident?
The bridge failed because of lack of knowledge of the designer (aerodynamics, resonance theory, etc.).
The towers failed because their core strength was removed by initial explosions, starting in the lowest levels near the foundation. Then the corner structures were cut up (white smoke) and then during the collapse the perimeter was disconnected every 3 or 4 floors in a wave from top to bottom.
1G acceleration at 9.8 m/sec in free fall seems correct. Free fall is I take is when there is no friction, as in a vacuum or outer space? So the building fell at a speed where there was not even atmospheric resistance?
@”For the two towers to come down in a controlled demolition starting at the plane impact floors on both is getting into tin foil hat territory.”
I have not studied this subject a lot, particularly lthe technical aspects. Because I cannot follow the math. But, have seen enough questions and weird coincidences (all defense systems “off” for the day!) to smell a big rat. Regarding the quote above, it is just this fact—that the two impacts caused *exactly* the same result–that looks pretty suspicious to me. Quite apart from the fact that these relatively lunschooled “pilots” were able to hit their targets in the first place.
The commenter who explained how an “organic” collapse occurring in the manner observed is as probable as a pencil standing on its point, is correct in the general sense, but incorrect in the sense that the probability of the towers doing what they did without any form of controlling mechanism is much much much **lower** than that of a pencil standing on its point. Believing that the 9/11 collapses were spontaneous, natural, organic, driven only by gravity, un-choreographed… is indistinguishible from a belief in miracles.
Here is simple challenge that has never been met. Nobody can even imagine how it could be met.
THE PROGRESSIVE COLLAPSE CHALLENGE
The challenge is in 5 parts, from the easiest to the most difficult.
All five require building a structure that will undergo top-down progressive total collapse — i.e.: when disturbed near the top, it will collapse from the top down to the bottom, leaving no part standing. The disturbance can include mechanical force, such as projectile impacts, and fires, augmented with hydrocarbon fuels. Explosives and electromagnetic energy beams are not permitted.
Your structure can be made out of anything: straws, toothpicks, cards, dominoes, mud, vegetables, pancakes, etc.
The designers of the Twin Towers were able to meet all 5 challenges using steel and concrete.
Build a structure with a vertical aspect ratio of at least 2 (twice as tall as it is wide) and induce it to undergo top-down total progressive collapse.
Build a structure with a square footprint and a vertical aspect ratio of at least 6.5 (6.5 times as high as it is wide), and induce it to undergo top-down total progressive collapse.
Build a structure as required by CHALLENGE #2 which, in the process of collapsing, will throw pieces outward in all directions such that at least 80% of the mass of the materials ends up lying outside of the footprint, but their center of mass lies inside the footprint.
Build a structure as required by CHALLENGE #2 which is capable of remaining intact in 100 MPH cross wind.
Build a structure that meets the requirements of both CHALLENGES #3 and #4.
Why blowing so much hot air when it is obvious that you haven’t done your homework very well?
There is so much evidence and proof that this were not normal collapses caused by weakening structure and gravity that insisting is truly ridiculous.
Besides that, just for the kick of it, would you care to explain the explosion in WTC 6 that completely removed the core of the building? Check out the HD aerial and satelite images of the complex.
Then please explain the huge explosion in the basement of the two high-rises that happened about 9 seconds before the first plane hit and that blew up concrete parking floors, the workshop, elevator shafts, the lobby, etc. while severely injuring and quite probably also killing people.
Please investigate because of which reason the high-rises were designed and built much, much stronger than structurally and legally necessary and thus were virtually indestructible.
Please explain the many pictures of remaining pieces of columns that were cut (molten) off under a neat 45 degree angle. Do you really think that kerosene fire at the levels of impact could cause this to happen at street and basement levels?
Please explain the running down of molten steel together with billowing white smoke coming from the same areas, when office fires and kerosene fires with their known low temperatures could never ever cause that to happen. Many building fire tests costing millions have been performed in the UK and have made this more than clear. Something else must have helped a ‘bit’. Ever heard of military grade thermite called thermate or nano-thermate? Please consider the tons and tons of molten steel down in the pile of rubble that remained red hot and even molten for weeks after 9-11.
Cheers mate, enough for now, this will keep you busy for a while. ;-)
A few links to the pics of the molten metal would be helpful. the overhead high def pics I have seen don’t seem to confirm the controlled dem theories.
Nano thermite. The structure was steel and the facade was aluminium. Particles of nano thermite or nano particles of rust and nano particles of aluminium.
Chips of nano thermite is different. One researcher claiming he had found this. Some links to solid evidence on that would be helpful.
The other problem I run into with controlled demolition of 1 and 2 is motive. What is the motive to take the huge risk in setting up a controlled demolition that cannot be guaranteed to succeed as the degree of accuracy in calculations that include planes hitting the towers just cannot be guaranteed?
You start to sound like a troll or a shill, or maybe you’re just a lazy person.Why don’t you try answering my questions first instead of asking for more proof?
The overhead pics show rubble blown far away from the high rises. Gravity doesn’t pull 10 or 20 ton pieces of facade structure far away from its point of origine, some right into the facades of other buildings. The columns and bracings of these facade elements were all brutally sheared off and warped (thus explosives).
Furthermore, the pics show that building WTC 6 was emptied from within, the explosion, visible on video, happened before the towers came down. The pics show the extent of damage (all the way from the top right into the basement, where $174 billion of Kuwaity gold was stored, which was gone that same day and never recovered. “Vaporized” according to George Bush.). Firemen acknowledged this.
Pics of molten metal are on my 911 hard disk with about 34GB of other fine 9-11 related material. I don’t have the time to go search for them now, but they should be easily available on the web. Why do people who thoroughly investigated 9-11 always have to do again more work for the lazy majority? If you’re truly interested, do your homework.
Nano-thermite (nano-thermate, added chemical components), in every dust sample from every street, roof or balcony. Danish researcher: Niels Harrit. Look it up!
On the roofs of nearby buildings many tiny human bone fragments have been found. How do you explain that without explosives, jumpers who had eaten New York junk food causing bad gas?
Creating a reason to start the war on terror whilst being certain to get the support of all populations of western countries and their governments while blaming it on whoever useful. Using this immediately to commence war against exactly those countries not completely submitted and obeing to every whim of the US. Raising the MIC budget. Passing new laws that remove personal freedom and reinforce the power of the government (police state) and subsequently creating new agencies without much opposition (DHS, TSA, etc.) The very! cheap total demolition of the two unpopular ⅓ or more empty white elephants that would have cost way more to upgrade or demolish than to build new because of the high asbestos content and…, as a bonus getting a double (!!!) insurance payment. Not paying 7 billion to demolish but cashing in billions instead, enough motive, or what? Destroying all evidence concerning the Enron scandal and a whole bunch of other Wall Street related cases which I can’t remember and would have to look up (me lazy too), mostly stored in WTC 7. There’s some of the main motives. Want more? Do your homework!!!
The plane hits had nothing to do with the demolition. At all. Period! They were exactly what is keeping your brain busy, a diversion. Coming from a family in structural engineering I can tell you that (and why) the twin towers were structurally bullet proof.
Lots of demands for MORE evidence from others, while you provide absolutely zero evidence to support your claims and your criticism of others. Make a lot of noise, make the other guy waste time on redundancies, wash, rinse and repeat. This is a bog standard “support the official line” web propaganda tactic right out of Web Spamming 101.
Exactly my thoughts. But ehh, wasn’t that ‘trolling 101’? ;-)
“Russian President Vladimir Putin has named the date he plans to release proof that the US government and intelligence agencies were responsible for the “controlled demolition” of the World Trade Centre in the 9/11 attacks.”
Putin: Russia Is Ready To Show Proof 9/11 Was An Inside Job
If 9-11 is exposed as an American regime “terror” attack, then it won’t be long before other high-profile terror attacks can be also exposed like Britain’s London Tube bombing, which had one of the tell-tale signs of a false flag operation with the use of “anti-terror” exercises that improbably coincided on the day of the attack and highly resembled the bombing itself.
This is similar to 9-11, which by a wild coincidence had a series of military anti-terror drills occuring on that fateful day–which significantly caused the improbable standdown of US Air Defense systems.
9-11 was America’s Nazi Reichstag Fire and Operation Northwoods all rolled into one.
I wouldn’t hold my breathe waiting for that. They have no intention of doing that. And if they did,they certainly wouldn’t announce it before hand. That article is daydreaming.
Jew who died in the WTC
“After searching through dozens of articles trying to track down the true Israeli death toll, I finally found a New York Times piece that clarified the precise number of Israelis who died in the World Trade Center attack.
Of the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade Center, it turned out that 129 of them were still alive. Only one Israeli had actually died in the catastrophe of the World Trade Center.”
I don’t know how many “Israelis” were killed or not for certain at 9/11. But that article is very misleading. First it “confuses” Israeli and Jewish. Not an accident I suspect. Second it says Bush claimed 130 Israelis died,but the author could only locate one. Did Bush give a list of the names of those people. I strongly doubt it. So without names how does the author know who died or not,and how could he even find one,let alone discount 129. He makes a blanket claim but provides no proof at all.He also claims the WTC attack killed 4,500 people. Yet its pretty common knowledge that the number was really 2,606 killed there.That’s “around” a 35% plus,over count of casualties. I know that for years there has been the question “out there” as to whether Jews were warned in advance about the attack.It appears that article “attempts” to say yes to that question. But uses “dodgy” evidence at best. That is not an honest way to find the truth. A good “first” step would be to get bio’s on the people listed as killed.Surely somewhere something like that exists.And then maybe an “answer” could be found. But using misinformation,is not the way to search for truth.
I did a small amount of research on the names of victims at the WTC. And I count 261 that are almost certainly Jewish names. And as there is no ethnic or religious mark next to the names I might have under-counted (unlikely an over-count). So “if” there was a warning given to Jews,they did a horrible job of it.
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Still no progress on this front. There was no massacre on 9/11. It was a Huge Honkin’ Hoax.
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Hahaha. It’s part of the hoax.
Read the whole thing, might open your eyes:
The 9/11 Truth Movement – 30 Year Conspiracy Inside a Conspiracy – Phil Jayhan, March 2011
By the way, I was in NYC in September of 2000, and one thing that struck me when I strolled down to Battery Park past the WTC was the absence of street life. So, hmmm, allegedly 40,000 people working in there and no one showing up outside for a coffee on a perfect sunny weekday early afternoon. I didn’t give this any further thought back then, but when I read Jayhan’s and McWilliams’ (and others’) writings about the towers (never built to spec, hollowed out, gutted, empty, pre-demolished on 9/11), this forgotten observation started making perfect sense.
It’s actually rather unfortunate that discussions of the 9/11 events focus so extensively on the destruction of the towers. This approach is a waste of time. Even if it could be shown with 100% certainty that the towers had been destroyed by controlled demolition, it would not prove conspiracy by the US government.
There are much more interesting anomalies that would be better to keep central to the discussion. Some of the more interesting ones:
The Dancing Israelis (already mentioned above) (not to forget the “Art Students”)
Wargames by NORAD involving simulations of aircraft hijackings on 9/11.
and my personal favorite:
the anthrax letters sent to US sent to US Senators Daschle and Leahy who happened to be opposed to the passage of the Patriot act.
Yes, that anthrax was very indicative of inside jobbery: another ‘significant non-incident’. As soon as the news broke I said it takes only a day to identify a bug with DNA sequencing machine. Hence we should soon learn which terrorist lab that anthrax came from. The resulting silence from the Bush regime and MSM was deafening.
‘And then there was the singular incident of the dog in the night’.
‘But the dog did not bark in the night’.
‘That’, said Sherlock, ‘was the singular incident’.
15 years after 9/11: Emergency responders and civilians turning up with record rates of cancer
“After 9/11 New Yorkers were assured the air was safe by the EPA. The federal government was slow to respond with health programs to help survivors despite recognizing the worst health effects wouldn’t be seen for 10-15 years. But 15 years later cancer rates doubled.”
But not to worry, obamacare will save them…
It would have been nice (and definitive) to have an unaffected sector analyzed as well as a control. Say lumber or utilities. Just something to show there wasn’t a “put” option uptick anywhere else those days.
As it stands this vid shows something interesting but not necessarily remarkable. We just don’t know from what’s given here.
I hope the truth comes out eventually.
For a long time I simply had no opinion on the WTC collapse. After watching some of the videos put up with various theories demolition seemed possible.
I started to move away from this as I considered the practicalities of putting a scheme like this into operation.
On WTC1 and 2
The large number of loose lips required to carry out a scheme like this for starters.
The precise time and precision of calculations required for the scheme to run in sequence.
The difficulty of predicting impact damage and siting demolition charges accordingly so that they are not set off prematurely or their ignition mechanisms are damage, or the entire charge knocked out of place.
If structural sabotage, a major undertaking requiring many loose lips and precise calculations so that the building will not fail before the plane impact and fire but will fail after the fire has burnt for a short time.
Any failure of the building to collapse would would give a great risk of the scheme/sabotage becoming known.
In reading up on the structural design of WTC1 and 2 it is obvious the central steel support columns have absolutely no protection from fire and heat in the event of an aircraft strike.
In reading what I take is the official “mechanism of failure” in wikipedia it seems that there was no automatic sprinkler system that would reduce the intensity of the fires (pumps had to be connected and started manually) and there was insufficient water pressure to fight the fires so perhaps something could be made of that.
It is for those reasons I lean heavily towards WTC1 and two collapsing due to the aircraft strike and fire.
A false flag event of aircraft being hijacked or even taken over by something like Honeywell uninterruptible autopilot and flown into the buildings is doable, and the operation Northwoods documentation shows that this is the sort of scheming the US government indulges in, but the practical implementation of sequenced plane strikes, fires and controlled demolition of 1 and 2 makes the addition of controlled demolition highly unlikely.
“In other words, the evidence is less important than what I imagine is possible. ”
This is totally unscientific.
And the composite bits of the Peter theory also do not withstand scrutiny, in particular the “loose lips” element.
It is very possible for secrets to be kept. It is also the fact that a lot of people have published and made known their evidence; the evidence is out there. But these people are routinely discredited and discounted, They certainly are not invited to NBC to discuss and describe again exactly what they saw or heard on 9/11. As for the conspirators themselves—say, people who actually might have wired teh buildings: money and fear is a good combo to keep people quiet. But these are all secondary theories and speculations. First must be established: What actually happened.
All of Peter’s arguments appear to be backwards—like the govt’s “proofs” of its ridiculous-on-their-face theories. “Here is what we say happened, and so now we will look for ways to explain it.”
A scientist–and a criminal investigator—must follow the evidence wherever it leads. Determining in advance where it can and cannot possibly lead is to assume that one’s own universe of knowledge and comprehension is greater than and encompasses the whole body of knowledge in the universe. Hubris! And not logical. You don’t know what you don’t know and it just sounds silly to assert that because you are holding the elephant’s tail, the elephant is some kind of hairy snake.
THis is a very good compendium of eye witness accounts of explosions and also videos of known planned demolitions of various kinds.
One of the best 9/11 videos/films I have seen.
Also contains statements from the engineers who built the Towers as to how the buildings were constructed, some of them I believe dating from the sixties when the Towers were built. Also a statement as to tests that were done at the time concerning the possibility of the largest air liner at the time hitting the buildings (which would of course have had to be done, because NYC is a very busy air space).
See also the Corbett Report (a link provided above), and here it is again.
Giuliani knew the buildings were coming down. He is seen stating this.
Of course there are people out there who know parts of what happened but it is very possible that only a few people actually know the big picture. Even Giuliani might only know a small part. Each segment of the plot might have spun off eddies that the participants in the eddies only partially understand. What defies credibility is that three guys managed to hit the Towers, bring them down, and then left a passport in the debris!!
It is pretty hard to escape the conclusion from the above film that there were three controlled demolitions, and that there were many who knew that the buildings were coming down.
But agian, speculation as to how could the secret be kekpt is secondary (psychological interpretations) to looking at the physical evidence and conducting a full-on police/Interpol type of investigation with aggressive interrogtaion. If there there was a situation that called for “aggressive” questioning, such as maybe waterboarding, etc., to get at the truth, this is it.
Katherine, it appears the truth movement has become a religious movement and deviation from their official bulls is unacceptable.
I look at people who blindly accept whatever their government or MSM feeds and really wonder about the human mind.
I see this also occurs on the other side of the spectrum – the followers blindly believing whatever they are fed.
On Saker;s thread on the truth movement he has put up much material worthy of study, a lot of food for thought, but there is some material there that, although it will be blindly accepted by people with no practical or theoretical experience in the particular field, simply does not stand up to reality. Please see my posts on the other thread.
SEC & EEOC:
Attack Delays Investigations
By Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001
Additional details emerged Friday about the effect of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on investigations being conducted by the New York offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, both of which were housed in the building.
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000.
Black Eagle Trust Fund
The 9/11 Attacks and the Black Eagle Trust Fund
“On that fateful day [9/11], the Securities and Exchange Commission declared a national emergency, and for the first time in U.S. history, invoked its emergency powers under Securities Exchange Act Section 12(k) easing regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for the next 15 days. These changes would allow an estimated $240 billion in covert government securities to be cleared upon maturity without the standard regulatory controls around identification of ownership.”
a good article and an informative interview with Prof. Chesny.(sp?)
Nils, You’re right; the surprisingly small amount of debris, including steel cut to manageable lengths, was imm’y hauled off to China. One truck driver was detained cuz he took too long a lunch & they had been afraid they’d lost control of part of it. Also, the mayor of New York didn’t like all the civilians who were taking pictures of the scene, so he expressed disgust of the “lookey-lous” and banned them .
The inside trading was international, just like those behind the NWO– for which 9-11 was a convenience. Many details of trading are here. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/sec-government-destroyed-documents-regarding-pre-911-put-options.html
Yes, Jim Rickards discusses all this in the early chapters of “The Death of Money” published in 2014. Financial teams studied the statistical aberration of puts on United and American Airlines stocks Thursday and Friday and Monday, Tuesday being the attack day. What is tragic is they know there was no prior information that would have caused these moves but there was no investigation of the firms or individuals that placed these orders. I am sure the “files” have been destroyed by the SEC.
It’s incredibly naive to even imagine that the perpe’traitors’ of these 2nd Pearl Harbour ‘Catalyzing 9/11 Events’ would divulge or allow you to know what really happened and why!
Loose lips sink ships!
Of course there was EVIL inside trading as lots of people knew about what was going to take place.
Never let a good crisis go to waste!
In november 2000, Nicholas Rockefeller revealed that there’d be an ‘event’ in 11 months, ’11 months from today there’ll be an’ event’…after which the president George W. Bush would appear in front of the american people on TV and announce the US military invasion of Afghanistan! ‘
ZERO prizes for guessing what in fact took place 11 months later.
Even certain officials in the German government were informed and told not to worry about the organised attacks during several military drills(Global & Vigilant Guardian to name only two) on that memorable for some morning. One of them wrote a book about this!
On YouTube you can watch an excellent video produced by Jeremy Rys which summarised what happened and who did it!
Listen to one of the Clinton’s friends, Karl Schwarz, on YouTube in which he describes what he discovered about who financed the 9/11 attacks and why!!
It’s called ‘9/11 truth is a non-partisan issue.’ 9:19.
Read the informative book by E.P. Heidner, Collateral Damage.
The Smoking Guns are everywhere.
Finally, the 9/11 Commission Report Findings specifically created to FIND NOTHING at all was written up BEFORE the FAKE Commission began their so-called investigation apparently by Philip ZELIKOW
Mr Schall, you need to begin by meeting and interviewing Nicholas Rockefeller and then Philip Zelikow.
I hope this information will be of help to you!
Trouble is Guy’s there is so much bad information being put out there! Don’t ever believe a word Stephen Jones say’s as he was part of the “Cold Fusion” projects in the 1980’s and covers up 9/11 with the “Bombs in the Buildings” nonsense……..there is no evidence for this at all if you study the real facts and evidence! The proof of that it was not Controlled Demolition was there’s absolutely NO debris pile, there should have been about 12 – 15 % of the building height piled up! Look at the photo’s it was not even up to the Lobby height. So that only leaves DEW or Directed Energy Weapon which explains the 80% vaporisation of the steel, 95% of the concrete, 100% destruction of the Marble, toilets and also bar one small filing cabinet 45,000 others simply vanished !!!! Add to that the vehicles that were heated and rusty and the fact that the whole WTC complex (7 buildings) were destroyed that day……..that could not happen with either Jet Fuel or Explosives. Please read Dr. Judy Woods book “where did the towers go” it will explain it all and for me she deserves a bloody medal for her research and bravery……whilst the Bush, Cheney + the new American century crew need to be in a court of law and sentenced to death for treason to the U.S.A., Instead they carry on a life of freedom whilst the 343 firemen including the amazing Marshall Bucca who run up 78 floors and Battalion Chief Orio Palmer who rose up 47 floors with his men to bravely help and rescue people like us and in the end stood no chance – we remember you all every day and for them the truth needs to be known – I for one will tell everyone to open your eyes and look at the truth – people lie but the facts don’t.