by Alexander Mercouris for The Duran
The Saker has written an article on the subject of the recent murder in the Donetsk People’s Republic of the militia leader Motorola. In it he calls for the Russian authorities to take over the investigation of Motorola’s murder and to take steps to ensure security in the Donbass.
Normally I avoid expressing views on these sort of issues, but on this occasion I will make an exception. The precarious security situation in the Donbass (masterfully dissected by the Saker in his article), the importance of this conflict to the peace of Europe and the world, and considerations of basic humanity, make doing so appropriate and necessary.
I completely agree with and support the Saker’s view and call.
I suspect that the reason the Russian authorities have not previously acted in the way he suggests is because they have been concerned that an overt role by Russian law enforcement and security agencies in the Donbass would be cited as proof in Ukraine and the West that Russia really is intervening there, and really is pulling the strings of the people Kiev and the Western powers call “the separatists”.
Whilst I understand this concern, in my opinion it is out of date, events having moved long since beyond it.
Though the Saker discounts the possibility the Ukrainian security services were behind Motorola’s murder and the other murders, that possibility has to be there, and in light of what the Ukrainian security services recently attempted in Crimea, it would fit a pattern. Moreover no less a person than Putin himself has publicly blamed the Ukrainian security services for the recent murder attempt on the Lugansk political leader Plotnitsky.
If it is the Ukrainians who are behind these murders then not only is that unconscionable, but it would also be a case of murders carried out by the Ukrainian authorities on territory which they still say is theirs, of people who they say are their own citizens.
This sort of death squad activity is of course totally illegal and immoral. It would also incidentally be a gross violation of the Minsk II agreement, which not only calls for a ceasefire in the Donbass, but which also requires the Ukrainian authorities to enter into direct talks with the Donbass leaders its security agencies would in that case be killing or trying to kill.
If this is indeed what is happening then it is very much in Russia’s interests – and the world’s – to know it.
Obviously the Western powers and the Ukrainians will reject the results of any Russian investigations. However if the results of these investigations are such as would convince reasonable people, then as the muted Western response to the Crimean incident shows, they would still have the potential to cause embarrassment. At the very least they would feed the growing doubts of many people in the West (in southern Europe especially) who have been questioning for some time where the West’s open ended commitment to the regime in Kiev is taking them.
Following from this, I would add that there is no risk in my opinion of Russia facing any additional sectoral sanctions as a result of Russia assuming an open role in the investigation of these murders and in security issues in the Donbass.
The Western leaders are struggling to keep the existing sanctions in place in the face of growing skepticism in southern Europe and elsewhere. That would not change simply because the Russians were openly doing what Western leaders have long accused them of doing, especially in circumstances where it was obviously appropriate that they should do so. Besides Russia is already acting on the assumption that the existing sectoral sanctions are going to be extended in January, and will remain in place for at least a further three years.
Of course if it is not the Ukrainians who are responsible for these murders then in the interests of basic humanity it is still important to bring the murderers to justice – or at least to identify who they are – and to restore law and order to the Donbass. As the Saker says, it is only Russia that can do this, and it is therefore Russia’s responsibility to do it.
Like the Saker I would also say that I completely discount the possibility that it is the Russian security agencies who are behind these murders. I can see no conceivable motive for them doing it, and I am sure that they are not doing it.
Lastly I should say that I have no doubt that the highly professional and experienced investigators and security officials Russia can call on would have no difficult undertaking these sort of tasks and carrying them out moreover at minimal cost.
In every case of murder I know of (including Motorola’s) the murderers have left behind them a trail of clues. I have no doubt that properly qualified investigators such as those from Russia would have no difficulty quickly identifying them, and if they are still on Donbass territory, apprehending them.
For all these reasons I completely agree with the Saker that Russia should take over the investigation of Motorola’s murder and of the other murders that have happened in the Donbass, and should assume a greater security role there, and I support his call that it should do so.
Good article.I agree as well. I do think it was the Ukrainians directly (or their supporters) that are responsible for the murder. But regardless of “who”,the crime needs to be solved.
I think you need to hang on here before you join with Saker heaping fury and blame on Russia for “not providing full security” in Donbass.
To start with, there seems to be an assumption that Russia has never attempted to provide it.
We do know – and Saker has pointed out – that there exists less than a perfect unified framework through Novorossyia, and throughout those in Russia who support them.
Do we know for a fact that Russia has never offered it? Or is possible that Russia has, and has been refused? Told “we are pro-Russian, we are grateful for your aid, but we are independent and will provide our own security?”.
I”m not claiming this has happened -how would I or anyone else know – but that it could have.
If as Mercouris and Saker suggest, Russian investigators go into Donbass to “investigate” they can only do that job properly given certain powers. Would that be acceptable to Donbass leaders? And if their investigations point to the Ukraine leading figures – as seems highly likely – what then?
Do they have the power to enter West Ukraine, Kiev even, to arrest and question?
There are more tentacles to this than appear on the surface.
I have already seen bitter words exchanged online between people who have befriended and liked each other. We have enough damage being done by those who are on the sidelines making public utterances which are causing pain and anger at a time when enough is being inflicted by our enemies.
Given how very little we actually know until and unless Donbass or Moscow leadership reveal details, it behooves us just now to keep quiet and any divisive thoughts to ourselves I think. For there is nothing we need more right now than unity and strong extensive support by and for each other.
It would do no harm to ask ourselves “for whom am I writing this?”. I think Alex Mercouris didn’t. Is it to offer unasked “advice” to Putin, the leadership of FSB for example? Are they likely to read it, or take any notice? The things written here are for the benefit of people of the AngloAmero West sickened by what that Empire is doing and looking for information as to how Russia is coping, and what we can do to show our support for the only rightfulness we see in the world just now.
And by sowing such dissatisfaction, disbelief and doubt in minds of Western people, all we do is make them ripe for the trolls and anti-Russia brigade.
We need to foment postivity, unity, resolve, and hope and belief in a good future – because if we are filled with doubt and hopelessness then we are — Well, I wont the use the world that leapt to mind. I”m sure you can pick it for yourselves.
Well said. We should always wait for leaders to tell us what to think.
no matter who actually killed Motorola…..the us state department and victoria nuland with her sack of poisoned cookies started the events that culminated in his death…..that is indisputable….this is a fact….not speculation….not guesses…..the US and she is equally guilty and responsible…..let us never forget…..let us not be confused….or become distracted….it was the US….and the neocon Zionists…..
I think we will never know who killed him. Also, I doubt that it would be possible for Russia to provide security because of the difficulties involved. I cannot help but think for example, of the recent fallout in Chechnya where the daughter of Mr. Emelianenko was attacked after Fedor took position against children participating in MMA fights. Ramzan Kadyrov was not impressed when he was told what his childrens can and cannot do.
My point here is not to accuse either M. Kadyrov or M. Emelianeko but rather to show the tensions all over the place. Even if the government of Russia throws large amount of money at the Chechen problem, it never completely went away. Why? Because they rebuild the city but they never come around to helping all the poor. The local officials always keep some money for themselves and away from political opponents or dissenters. So the misery continues.
This sickness is the same in Greece as in Ukraine or Brazil. The central bankers always murder the local economies, sell it to private interests and then, have their way with the local population. Even worse, I think they are racing each other to see who can steal the most money from the greatest number of people. Eventually, folks will get quite fed up and then revolution?
We live in interesting times :)
Well, i’ve reading with big concern about the facts that are hapenning in Novorussia and Sirya and i agree with Thiamin that there’s no isolated fact around all over the world, all this facts are simptoms of the same war sickness. My loved country (Brasil) are living strange and dangerous days which is the tail that is shaking the dog and i only can understand something when i take all world scenario to make some analysis. The murder of Motorola is linked with the coup that ocurred here and whith the pivot that Duterte is doing to China and i think all this is positioning of pawns in a cheesboard. Of course this murder ocurred in a more sensitive place which the consequences can be catastrophic so let’s hope that the russians can make another good job taking all the role af this investigation.
>>”I suspect that the reason the Russian authorities have not previously acted in the way he suggests is because they have been concerned that an overt role by Russian law enforcement and security agencies in the Donbass would be cited as proof in Ukraine and the West that Russia really is intervening there, and really is pulling the strings of the people Kiev and the Western powers call “the separatists”””
Do you seriously think that Russia is basing it’s politics upon what a bunch of degenerate, paid whores, aka western journalist could write in the Daily Mail, Le Parisien, The Jew York times or any other worthless western rags ???
Russia WILL always be framed, no matter what they do, there is no point in trying to take in consideration what the westerns Zio-puppets are saying.
Just like Russians ground forces are not directly “fighting” in Syria, Russians Law Enforcement SHOULD NOT intervene directly in the Donbass, but limit themselves to provide technical and intelligence support only. Russia has enough problems in the caucasus without adding another “turbulent” region like the donbass. It is to the Novorussians to sort out their own mess, and not constantly ask big brother for help.
Russia should only intervene in case of “desperate” situations (Direct ZATO support to Ukraine).
“Russia WILL always be framed, no matter what they do”
That’s how it is. But the real point here is that Russia is currently the only nation on earth where the Zionist framing tactics don’t work as intended.
With France, the UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, the USA, Canada, Australia etc. the death-by-framing psy-op worked like a voodoo charm. All these nations disappeared without a cry, without a whimper, seemingly without any consciousness and recollection of what had happened!
“there is no point in trying to take in consideration what the westerns Zio-puppets are saying.”
It’s much more serious than that. The constant juvenile repeating of Zionst NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) is at best a bad habit, but if understood at the core, highly counterproductive and self-defeating – short: totally unacceptable!
I don’t agree.
latest interpretation from poro re Minsk
Thursday, October 20, 2016 – 14:07
The Normandy format negotiations being over, Petro Poroshenko reported no documents signed, but the only arrangement – to preserve the Minsk Agreements, however a “road map” to be developed for their implementation.
“Each event should run in consecutive order, on its date,” he said, having added that, according to the optimistic scenario, the “road map” will be approved by Foreign Ministers in November.
At that Poroshenko again voiced his own interpretation of the Minsk Agreements’ implementation.
According to him, elections are possible in Donbass only after “all the foreign military units are withdrawed”, troops in the lines are disengaged, and the border transferred under control of the OSCE Mission which along with that will get arms and receive the police status.
“The police mission of the OSCE, as we call it, will ensure security during both voting process, and the transitional period… Germany presides in OSCE, we are waiting for our colleagues to submit this question for consideration in OSCE,” he said.
Poroshenko didn’t mention granting Donbass autonomy and amending the Constitution in coordination with the DPR and LPR.
But he stated that Ukraine proposes to pull out the Republics’ armies from Debaltsevo – “to provide demilitarization of the district” as it was under the Ukrainian troops’ control when the Minsk Agreements were signed.
“When disengagement of troops is completed on three preliminary sites – Zolotoye, Petrovskoye and Stanitsa Lugansk – there should be established permanent 24/7 OSCE monitoring points. After that we will begin negotiations on disengagement on the following four sites. I want to declare that the Ukrainian party insisted that Debaltsevo should be for sure among these four points as a place where we should provide demilitarization of this area… For February 12 this territory was controlled by the Ukrainian military, and we consider that it will promote the de-escalation process considerably,” said Poroshenko.
DONi News Agency
MINSK, October 20. /TASS/. Belarus welcomes any progress conducive to bringing peace to Ukraine, Belarusian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Dmitry Mironchik, told TASS on Thursday.
Putin regrets that humanitarian problems in south-east Ukraine are not being resolved
Steinmeier sees small progress in Ukraine settlement
Lawmaker: ‘It would be naive to expect a breakthrough’ in Berlin talks on Donbass
Merkel confirms agreement on four new zones of disengagement in Donbass
“We welcome any progress that would help end the bloodshed and move towards a peaceful settlement of the crisis in Ukraine,” the diplomat said commenting on the latest Normandy Four talks held in Berlin.
According to Mironchik, the Normandy Quartet members noted that the Minsk agreements “are the basis of this process.”
“We will do everything we can to make sure that the negotiators’ work in Minsk makes its own contribution to this process,” he said.
Berlin earlier hosted a Normandy format meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Francois Hollande and Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko on the settlement in eastern Ukraine. No documents were signed at the meeting. Nevertheless, an agreement was reached on developing a roadmap for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. It is expected that this document will be drawn up and approved until the end of November.
BERLIN, October 20. /TASS/. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has confirmed that the Normandy Four leaders have reached an agreement at talks in Berlin on establishing four new zones of disengagement of forces in Donbass.
“First steps on creating three zones of disengagement have already been made, a lot of work is ahead. Four more similar zones should be created,” Merkel told a press conference on Thursday.
Access for OSCE observers
French President Francois Hollande
Normandy Four ministers to start preparing Donbass election in next few days — Hollande
According to Merkel, the Normandy Four reached an agreement on access of OSCE observers to the Russian-Ukrainian border in Donbass.
“The Minsk Agreements envisage access of Ukrainians to the border at the end of the process. Meanwhile, an agreement was reached – it was discussed in detail today – on free movement of OSCE observers near the border,” Merkel said. “There are cases when it is possible now, and the Russian president noted that, and other cases when it is not possible,” she added.
“When the law on election is ready, when the working process is coordinated, then we can talk about an OSCE mission, which may be armed. However, today it was of absolutely no urgency. At first we need a law on election,” Merkel said.
Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko
Normandy Four to adopt roadmap by end of November — Poroshenko
Merkel said the Normandy Four plans to bring together approaches to security issues in east Ukraine and political settleement in the framework of the roadmap.
“We discussed the working process in which there are many sides and from which one should proceed in the work on such issues as security, political process,” Merkel said. “This should continue in the framework of the roadmap on different steps of the Package of measures on implemeting the Minsk Agreements. This is a progress,” she added.
“We agreed that work on the roadmap will continue in the next month at the level of foreign ministries, and will be more intensive,” Merkel said, adding that the Normandy Four leaders think regular meetings necessary in the future.
A village Trudovskie was targeted by Kiev forces last night. Artillery shells of 122mmm and 120mm caliber were launched since 7pm to 1.30 am. Moreover, Staromihaylovka, Aleksandrovka, Spartak, village Octyabr in the Novoazovsk region were under Ukrainian shelling.
Altogether 378 shells were launched; mortars, grenade launchers and small arms were also used.
Data on wounded and destroying is being checked.
Four soldiers perished and three got wounded by Ukrainian troops when they defended the DPR territory from Ukrainian hostile side.
It was reported yesterday by the Deputy Command-In-Chief Eduard Basurin.
However, Ukrainian side lost 40 military units during their regular attack at the southern direct of the DPR.
Remember that it is the fourth attempt of Ukraine to break through DPR Defence since October 12. That time about 15 foreign mercenaries that were in Ukrainian battalion perished and 30 got wounds.
The second was on October 14.
Edward Bastion reporting c 80 Italian and French mercenaries with ukrops close t o Donbass.
Well, we have heard from Merkel Holland poro mouthing off re osce police being armed on borders,that a road map for certain events is being worked out until November….Kremlin approves of progress Donbass seems to be happy if the roadmap requirements are enacted…although spanner in works is Ukraine claiming Debaltsevo though months ago I remember reading that technically this could not be so….because it became a military expansion by them..Kremlin does not agree to D. claims too…meanwhile, Azov now says poro has been bargaining away Ukraine’s sovereignty and ain’t too happy.,meanwhile nothing seems to be publicly stated since the Berlin meeting by VVP…………..so, chances of success anyone? Sceptical question in view of September ceasefire not obviously not a ceasefire….is this a set up to see how any more “successes”to completion is possible in view of those Donbass inhabitants stoicly hanging on in there, after shoot down of helicopter last week or so with NATO “troops” on board….??????
Yours, unsure of exactly what is happening for what reason out there, except very sad to see funeral of Motorola.
VVP has spoken
Thursday, October 20, 2016 – 14:59
Participants of the Normandy format will continue working on achievement of “final arrangements” on granting the DPR and LPR autonomy as required by the Minsk Agreements, stated the Russian President Vladimir Putin following the results of Berlin negotiations.
“We confirmed that we will continue our joint efforts on the political track, including those directed at reaching final endorsement on the procedure for implementing the agreement on the special status of certain areas in Lugansk and Donetsk regions, in the Lugansk People’s Republic and the Donetsk People’s Republic,” he said.
Putin also stated that negotiations on disengagement of troops in the lines will be continued. So far it was succedded in two points.
“We agreed to continue searching for locations where these efforts can be continued,” said the Head of State.
“We confirmed our readiness to expand the OSCE mission in the disengagement zone and in locations where heavy equipment is stored,” added Putin.
He stated the lack of progress in negotiations on resuming social payments and benefits to residents Donbass by Ukraine.
“Unfortunately, no progress has been made here,” said the Russian President.
When speaking about Syria, Putin stated that Russia is ready “to extend the pause in air strikes for as long as possible, based on the actual situation in the area – until the rebel groups in Aleppo step up their activities.”
DONi News Agency
As much as I dislike the Russians it is clear that USA is supporting these Ultranationalist elements in Ukraine. If USA is supporting them, giving them weapons and training, then it would be natural for Russia to fully support Donbas rebels. I resent that my sons will be sent to war fighting Russia because of American greed for territory. However in a major war between Russia and the whole West, there would only be one winner . Russia would stand little chance. Ultimately it may just be Gods Will that American civilisation is dominant in the world
Those ideas of yours may be realistic, friend. But I doubt it… If, as you say, you hate the Russians, then, obviously, your ideas are based on emotion and a distorted a-priori understanding of your environment. Views based on emotion seldom result in logical sequencing that produces the desired result. It happens, but not very often. Try running fast in a cavern that is black dark… Might do ok for awhile…
“However in a major war between Russia and the whole West, there would only be one winner . Russia would stand little chance.”
” Ultimately it may just be Gods Will that American civilisation is dominant in the world”
Even if drunk, my reaction might look like this.
“Ultimately it may just be Gods Will that American civilization is dominant in the world.”
Yes I agree, the god of this world, it just might be his will.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
In their case the god of this world (Satan the adversary) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
And maybe it is the will of the true God that He raised up Russia to punish the Anglo Zionist beast empire for their unremitting evil against God & humanity?
1-Tell us what russians did to you as a european.
2-Why is Western powers (NATO) are encircling Russia?
3-You should pray to God if there is ever a direct war between western and Russia, Russia is a nuclear power and the little europe can be erased on the face of the earth within days.
Before you say something think twice
“However in a major war between Russia and the whole West, there would only be one winner” This statement is totally unrealistic, delusional. In a nuclear exchange, there will be no winners, whoever thinks otherwise is cheating him/herself. Russians might have a small advantage to survive due to their immense territory. Western Europe/USA are densely populated so anybody can guess how these civilians would manage in that case. If your sons fight a war against Russia it will be on behalf of the Neocons and the greedy 1% of the US, plus Saudi Arabia and Israel. Go ahead!
If Russia launched one of its old missiles then there is a 50 50 chance they would flop down in the sea like the North Korean ones. Why is Putin so deferential to Western backed rebels in Syria… he knows he cannot stand up to USA.
Frankly? Utter rubbish, like most of your posts. I am glad it gets posted here as an example of such.
Like the heads of medieval miscreants on castle walls.
The Blind Believers who love Putin even though he is overseeing the destruction of the Russian state
Lovely. Your motto seems to be:
“Power speaks truth to me — praise the MSM!”
Corollary question: Were you born in Crete, perchance? You’re a cretin for all the world to see.
Since ever I find the failed logic based on weapon numbers hilarious, to put it mildly. Even if 75% of the strategic missiles would not reach their targets, each side would have more than enough fire power to grill the majority of the opponent’s population in the first hour. The opponent’s economy would crash in its entirety.
To help you calculate, how many US cities do you need to wipe from the map to kill 200 million citizens (60% of the US population) in the first days? Less than a hundred, stay warranted, because there are already 210 million people living in just the most populous 20 metropolitan areas.
I suggest to stop cheating yourself and grow some balls to acknowledge that non-US-citizens are humans as well. Its up to its own populace to to stop the empire’s drive to global madness in the least risky way. Other attempts most likely turn out with the aforementioned outcome.
As a half German/American myself, pray tell me what informs your opinions? To be critical of or “dislike” a country’s leaders and political system is one thing, but to say “I dislike the Russians” as a people, is purely racist. Having suffered anti German prejudice myself here in Canada as an immigrant child, I know from experience how bigotry is informed by gross ignorance. So your hatred of “the Russians” would thus have you (however resentfully) nevertheless sacrifice your own sons for the the glory of the American empire. While living in occupied East Germany with my Grandmother who’d lost both her husband and all her family fortunes, as well as her youngest son on the Russian front, “why did Germany go to war with Russia”? incredulously she answered me without any animosity, simply “become we were told that Russia was our enemy” What are you telling your sons? India’s Gandhi as a guest while touring England, the heart of the brutal British Empire, was asked “what he now thought of civilization”, to which he ruefully answered,”well I think it’s a good idea”. As for your notions that the “whole West” would come out as a winner in an all out war with Russia, well so did Napoleon and Hitler. And as for “God” taking your side, forget it, as that’s exactly how Wahhabi extremist Islamist terrorist think. If God were to ever have interfered in mankind’s affairs, there would never have ever existed a “Western” imperialist empire that enslaved most of the world in the first place. Maybe it’s time to review your own notions of what constitutes historical reality.
Your comments ring very true.
Can somebody mock, ridicule this propaganda from The Economist
Every week Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, finds new ways to scare the world.
Recently he moved nuclear-capable missiles close to Poland and Lithuania.
This week he sent an aircraft-carrier group down the North Sea and the English Channel.
He has threatened to shoot down any American plane that attacks the forces of Syria’s despot, Bashar al-Assad.
“Every week Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, finds new ways to scare the world.”
Dearest Economist; you’re most likely confusing your dwindling readership with the world’s growing population. A clear case of wishful thinking.
“Recently he moved nuclear-capable missiles close to Poland and Lithuania”
Impressive if he did that all by himself. Strong leader indeed!
“This week he sent an aircraft-carrier group down the North Sea and the English Channel.”
And with what devastation left in its wake? Maybe it would do you good to experience something more tangible hitting you with overwhelming force. To wit: Humanitarian intervention courtesy of Mother Russia.
“He has threatened to shoot down any American plane that attacks the forces of Syria’s despot, Bashar al-Assad”
In unison, everybody: BOOOO for Russia!
This will probably be deleted. I would like to comment from the viewpoint of Kiev. A greater role for Russian state security doesn’t change the fact that Ukrainian citizens who have taken up arms against the state are guilty of treason and rebellion. It also doesn’t change the fact that Russian citizens fighting in Ukraine are illegal combatants who can be killed on the spot.
Russia doesn’t even have diplomatic relations with the 2 rebel republics so how can it justify sending in state security forces and still tell the Russian people it is not at war with Ukraine. Ukrainian forces are not going to spare Russian state security when there is shooting.
Agreed, citizens have taken up arms against the state. But is the state legitimate? Was the legal, voted in by the majority president not removed by a foreign sponsored coup d’état?
The Kiev government is supported by illegal armed groups of foreigners, these have members from neo nazi organisations in Croatia, UK, Sweden etc who boast about their activities on social media. Russia made themselves look stupid pretending and lying that they had no soldiers in Ukraine. Kiev was open in admitting and encouraging neo nazi foreigners to fight for them. Russia denied that it would help its own ethnic people while Ukraine wants to make itself a color revolution playgroud and open brothel for any Westerner who wishes to go there.
You are first going to have to explain why you think that the murderous warmonger in kiev, put into power with yats*** by the USG – see Wikileaks – and what obummer admitted to regarding regime change there in an interview to CNN, and start from scratch regarding ‘color revolutions’ (note the american spelling), and explain the unjustified hatred directed at the Russian speaking (former) Ukrainians, together with the original neocon wolfowitz doctrine, and PNAC, the 25 year USG plan for Eastern Europe, with jewland’s (wife of kagan, the co-founder of PNAC) admittance of (at least) $5 billion spent on Ukraine (not to mention $x amount more through black budgets and by the likes of soros etc), the Polish co-sponsored Eastern Partnership, into former Soviet republics, with NATO still existing, while the Warsaw Pact does not, and the lengthy & exhaustive (sarcasm) peace negotiations regarding the Donbass peoples’ grievances, instead of starting a murderous attack – on the orders of biden – and the now de facto independent republics, with their democratic right to self-determination, and in defence of their people…sorry, what was your >>>relevant<<< point again???
We really don’t need you to tell us the thoughts of the fascist junta supporters. They do quite well on their own with that. The shouts of “Hitler youth loves the SS ” and “Russians on knives”,from them needs little analysis.We understand them perfectly.But concerning what else you said.The fascists overthrew in an illegal coup.The democratically elected President of Ukraine. Then turned on their own fellow citizens who were Russian or Russian speaking.Those citizens in Donbass refused to be ruled by an illegal fascist regime,that hated and attacked them.Those are the facts.This situation will only end with either the ousting of the fascists. Or the independence of a free Donbass. As for threats to kill Russians,those trying that will end in a grave somewhere.Laying for eternity beside any NATO troops that think to do the same.
Correction, the former The Ukraine. Now, alas, CIA-occupied Knudlemannistan.
And here is the proof, if any were still needed:.
Respect and congratulations to the people of Crimea! They rendered the entire Maidan Nazi putsch all but futile; hence the raging and fuming of the Ukro-trash and “The International Community”.
Let’s be very clear here: The brave Ukros don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against any Russian state security forces. Fascists usually select far easier targets such as captive populations, children, and elderly people — there is a very tangible reason for that, mind you.
I can see no possibility of grievance should Russia decide to carry out a professional investigation, though without a doubt the propaganda would be deafening: So, what is new about that? Russia is too focused on Minsk I believe, trying to give Europe the chance to act rationally and in the interests of the European peoples.
Russia, as tensions are pushed ever higher realise that its strategic strength, for now, lies in tactics defined by the defensive stance. while it brings its forces into a proper configuration for modern warfare on a budget that is tiny when compared to the political and economic forces aligned against it. The type of attrition warfare levelled against Russia bespeaks a real respect for that nations capabilities. The western political alliance will one day be written into history as Bullies and cowards. But that said, if Russia is not already investigating this foul murder I’ll eat my hat……..
The call for Russia to investigate the murders must come from Donbass leaders. Russia doesn’t go where Russia isn’t invited. For all we know the call already has been made privately. Russia could already be helping, quietly. I hope so.
There is precedent for Russia to provide assistance there without fanfare, including investigating the infamous murder of 298 people on flight MH17.
“The call for Russia to investigate the murders must come from Donbass leaders.”
Exactly my comment, too!
and of course russia is involved by already assisting with the Whitebook of crimes .
Since when does any body in Kiev abide by the rules. Motorola was a target and somebody hit the target. Such is war.
A magisterial take on the situation as always by Alexander Mercouris.
No matter how many times the lesson of the utter hypocrisy of Western civilization has been learned, I still shed a tear for the fallen state of Western Mass Media, without which, we were always taught, no Democracy is possible.
Years of preening, chest-thumping and high ‘falutin’ words on the topic by Western journalists and their acolytes have ended in the sorry picture of a choir of castrati, worried about the payments on their new car from one of two German corporations, who funded WW1 and WW2, (and are likely now funding WW3), and whether or not they will ever be invited to the Whitehouse Press Dinner.
The bomb was the same as used in the attempt against Zakharchenko a while back. Russian social media (FWIW) have alleged that a Latvian mercenary Marc Ozolins was involved in placing the bomb and remotely triggering it.
There are ways other than overt Russian investigation. Russians and Ukrainians have family members in each other’s country. There are also large numbers of Ukrainians working in Russia, and possibly many thousands of refugees escaping the multiple call-ups for the honor to serve as Poroshenko’s sacrificial sheep. This makes for a very extensive resource for collection information. Sorting the good from the bad is another issue.
Actually, I think it would be better politically, and much, much more effective, if the Russians kept any work they did in Novorussia fighting the zionazi terrorists completely covert. Don’t give the zionazis any info they can use operationally or politically.
” if the Russians kept any work they did in Novorussia fighting the zionazi terrorists completely covert.”
In my opinion they are doing just that as best they can , and not to bad either “Completely” is a very big statement about anything, and is just not possible, regardless of context.
The Russians will not do an investigation because they have their hands full in Syria.
Further, it is clear the Americans did it.
Finally, who did it does not matter. If M was so important why was he not protected properly?
He was just a competent infantry commander with a silly beard.
There are lots of capable infantry officers to replace him, but if not then Donbas and Lugansk will fall anyway.
I consider the fault lies with the general staff under whose command M was subordinate to.
This is a non-article over an officer who should have known better than flaunt himself in public as he did.
Sorry, but this sort of thing happens in life/war.
Time to get over it and move on!
I do not know how long it took you to compile/write this comment.
What I DO know, is that if I were to comment decently and in detail to your comments, it would take me an hour or more.
For obvious reasons I refrain.
Clearly, there was a problem with his security otherwise Motorola would still be alive.
How many people will turn out for your funeral, 50 000? The Donbass people instinctively – if nothing else – understand who and what Motorola the hero was, and appreciated the fact that he put his life on the line to protect them, even after being injured; WTF have you done, richard, likewise???!
I’ll second that!
should those military that represent the stoic people of Donbass be seen to cower in basements, or walk proudly , upright ,openly in the Donetsk rRepublic that represents all their aspirational hopes , and lives for truth, honour, justice?
Fairly typical comment from the average and all too Common Repeater Bird. It never, ever, wants evidence, but repeats that which favours it’s internal emotional requirements, no matter the vast damage it is doing in the process.
I continue to be amazed, impressed and, most especially, relieved at the incredible level of discipline with which the Kremlin practices the time-honoured art of diplomacy. Fascists have no time for diplomacy, but that doesn’t stop Moscow from observing all diplomatic niceties to a fault, even in the face of relentless taunting and insults. Diplomacy is much like advertising: the ‘strong arm’ style can sell, but never so well as honesty.
As a legal professional, it is clear that what must happen here. The Republics must formally request Russian involvement, in the same way the Syrian Government had a request for Russian assistance in September 2015. Putin has said his key motivation is using international laws and moderation to end the Unipolar domination of USA, which regularly uses Unilateral actions economically and militarily.
The political authorities of LPR and DPR must subit a parliamentary request to Russia for its assistance in investigating the muder of Pavlov. I am not sure of the extent of authority of Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky within the government system of these republics, but it may be sufficient for them to request this themselves. A formal request for a military transit point/airstrip should also be issued at the same time. The knowledge that Russia has readily available military bases in the Republics will give the Ukraine army and NATO second thoughts . If Russia acts unquestionably within bounds of international law it will gain many friends.
It would not be within the bounds of international law. The republics do not have diplomatic relations with Russia. Ukrainian and Russian units have engaged in combat in Donbass so a base is not going to deter Ukraine from taking all action needed to recover its land. Who are the separatist fighters they are for the most part Russian citizens that is not real separatism. Russia must decide does it want Ukraine as eternal friend or eternal foe because the Empire and the USSR are not going to be recreated.
The USSR is not going to be recreated but the Talmudo-Satanist Empire, in which the remains of the Ukraine float like debris after The Flood, is very much in need of annihilation.
Who will provide it, the enslaved people of that Empire, or the people without, fighting the Talmudo-Satanist New World (dis)Order, or both in unison, remains to be seen.
Butt/ the Anglo-Zionist Empire, one way or another, ‘will not stand’.
What passes for “the Ukraine” is not a country but a fiefdom by and for hard-core Zionazis and other assorted dregs, be they home-made or “foreign imports”.
Consequently, the only thing that really matters to this grotesque abomination of a “country” is its level of usefulness to “The International Community”; to wit Western imperialism. That means of course that the proud Ukro “national heritage” of fascist squalor and degeneracy — with utmost emphasis on Grovelling-Before-All-Things-West-From-Top-To-Bottom — sustained a fatal blow as the Maidan Nazi Putsch failed to deliver Crimea to NATO. As regards the Donbass, it is of less importance but as the West now finds itself in its state of terminal prolapse it has become outright paranoid by all the setbacks and defeats inflicted upon its puppets everywhere.
Again, you just get it plain wrong. The Donbass land does not belong to USUkraine, it belongs to the de facto independent republics, who have the democratic right to self-determination.
Where do you get your crap about most fighters being Russian citizens???
Also, you clearly are quite unaware of PNAC and the original – neocon – wolfowitz doctrine of keeping Russia contained and preventing it challenging US arrogance on its borders, meaning, why doesn’t the US FO back to its own continent?
Not to mention the US wanting to get Ukrainian assets on the cheap.
Motorola’s DOA pictures turned up on likeleaks (Control-X).. Oh, yea, the old exploding earpiece.. Shit, you could see the helmet ilne. Why would this guy be using that telephone? Nobody wants to know, because they already know and way to much. “Loose lips sink ships” is the old saying and I think this is one of those cases. Motorola had a big mouth and I know that he opened it at least once when he should not have. As for Givi, some one should tell him that if he wants to have a big mouth, get off of the front line and become a politician, it is safer regurgitating second hand knowledge. Some things should just be left unsaid.
Putin together with Lavrov and Surkov agreed in Berlin that armed O S C E personal will establish in Donbass and will control the boards with Russia.Some popular warriors like Pavlov -Motorola have to go in order to practice the agreement.
“Besides Russia is already acting on the assumption that the existing sectoral sanctions are going to be extended in January, and will remain in place for at least a further three years.”
Perhaps, but does anyone know what the view of Wilders is on these sanctions?
His party is leading the polls in the Netherlands (Elections in March 2017).
I leapt to a conclusion in the beginning and nothing in here has budged it. The obvious answer is SBU with borrowed talent.
This is so very much a politician’s crime, playing to the audience to steal a march on growing political opposition. What is important about Motorola is not who is he to us, or Donbass, but who he is to the Ukrainian electorate.
Motorola is the anti-Christ in the center-west. He is universally reported, and believed, to have admitted to the murder of 15 Ukrainian PoWs. (He did no such thing, of course.) He is the “separatist/terrorist” with the most name recognition in Ukraine. He embodies the Russian invasion and is the one on whom Ukrainians project their war crimes.
There is one question that brings Motorola to the top of the list of assassination targets. “Who would make the most popular assassination target in a Ukrainian public poll?”
In fact, the assassination subjects are distinguished by one characteristic above all others. They have high name recognition in Ukraine because they have received the most media coverage.