by Ghassan Kadi for The Saker Blog
When Chinese Defence Minister, General Wei Fenghe visited Moscow on the 4th of April 2018 and made his historic comment that he was in Moscow to give a message to America that China stands by Russia (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/chinas-new-defence-chief-visits-russia-to-send-a-message-to-us/9616216), he put China in a new and unprecedented global position, because China had never made such direct statements about the USA since the early days of Chairman Mao; and that was a long time ago, when China was not an industrial power and an aspiring global power, and long before the rift between the USSR and Mao’s China began.
A lot has changed since, and neither Russia nor China are today what they used to be a few decades ago, and as they changed, matured and developed, their relationship vis-à-vis each other and the United States seem to have gone the full circle.
Today’s China and Russia are friends and allies; not only by the virtue that they both are desirous to change the unipolar so-called “New World Order” status of the world, but also because they have a huge number of issues that unite their national interests.
According to a Sputnik interview with Ekaterina Blinova on the 5th of April 2018, “Wall Street analyst Charles Ortel argues that the Chinese Petroyuan can’t compete with the Petrodollar as long as China is not a major energy producer” https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804051063248574-petroyuan-petrodollar-economy/
In reality however, the Petroyuan does not need Chinese oil any more than the Petrodollar needed American oil to be underpinned with. The Petrodollar rode on the back of Saudi oil, and even though America had always been Saudi Arabia’s master and custodian ever since the inception of the Al-Saud legacy, it was not an easy partnership given that the Middle East by-and-large, and Saudi Arabia in particular, are very volatile regions of the world that can at any time implode or explode, leaving old alliances and business agreements and interests in tatters.
As a forethought, we can only expect China and Russia to have a much more stable relationship than that between the USA and Saudi Arabia, and this can be achieved at different levels; militarily, strategically, and economically among other things. Most relevant to this current context is the issue of the potential of the Petroyuan.
With China’s rising economic power that has already surpassed that of the USA on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis, China finds in Russia the perfect oil-gas producing partner to give the Petroyuan the proper and stable underpinning it needs to compete with the Petrodollar and replace it as the safe and rightful bid for oil futures.
And if this is not enough, both China and Russia have been accumulating gold, tens of tons of physical gold, the exact amounts of which no one really knows.
It would be foolhardy to imagine that an American/Saudi Petrodollar, unbacked by gold and/or a strong American economy, unbacked by clear and known actual amounts of Saudi reserves, would be able to compete against the rising Chinese-Russian gold-backed Petroyuan in these uncertain and unchartered economic times.
The future of the Petroyuan alone is one very good reason for China therefore to form a solid alliance with Russia.
And now that China has already launched the Petroyuan, then in doing so, it has signaled the economic no-return-point with America, because in the eyes of America, the Petroyuan is now seen as an existential threat that must be destroyed.
Huge as it is potentially, there is much more that unites China with Russia than just the future of the Petroyuan.
Russia is the world’s richest nation in natural resources, and this is not only restricted to fossil fuel and mineral resources, but this also includes fresh water. The potential for agricultural development therefore in Russia is huge. And we have seen how in a few decades, Russia moved on from a net wheat importer to the largest global producer and exporter. On top of all of this, Russia is a highly developed nation with unrivalled military technology.
As a matter of fact, singularly China or Russia alone constitutes a match for America’s prowess and hegemony, one that remained unchallenged ever since the collapse of the USSR.
Ever since the end of WWII, America has embarked on the journey of flexing the muscles of a superpower on much smaller and less advanced nations. To this effect, it shamelessly and bullishly ravaged Korea in the 1950’s. And if this wasn’t enough, America managed to round up the whole United Nations behind its so-called “police action” to subdue the poor and underdeveloped nation of Korea.
But even with all odds stacked up against Korea, America only managed a partial victory, one that was followed by sheer and utter humiliating defeat in Vietnam and lesser humiliations elsewhere later on. In reality however, America has never scored a single post WWII victory in any of the wars it got involved with, and this is not to forget that it has been in a perpetual state of war, against one “enemy” or another, almost continuously ever since WWII has ended.
This brief historic narrative is not meant to tell readers a story they do not already know, but rather to emphasize how Russia and China do, or should, look at this recent American history from a perspective that joins them at the hip.
The “problem” here, if there is any, is that China is a very old nation that has its ancient traditions when it comes to both diplomacy and inter-relationships with other nations. Russia on the other hand, is a younger nation that is geographically more so a part of Europe, and closer to it culturally than China.
China has always been a sole operator, and a nation that is more pragmatic in its outlook than being colonialist and militarily expansive. China seems to naturally and spontaneously follow Sun Tzu’s rules of the art of war, and knows how to win a fight without fighting. Today’s China is more interested in creating overseas markets than colonies. It is therefore in China’s interests to keep Western economies afloat and Western consumers affluent.
But China is becoming increasingly aware that the level playing field that Western free trade agreements espouse is tilted and biased to serve Western interests. If this alone is not enough to send China sceptical about the prospects of its economic future with the West, it can see that the Western economy is on the decline, despite its own efforts to keep it afloat. In other words, in the long term, China realizes that it must develop other markets in developing nations.
The irony here is that the West has grown so dependent on Chinese-made goods, and this ranges from American-designed iPhones to T-shirts. To put it simply, without Chinese imports, the average American consumer will find empty supermarket shelves.
Without claiming that all fresh food on Western supermarket shelves is produced in the West, with the exception of fresh food however and certain special products such as French wine, Scotch Whisky and German-made cars, most manufactured items in America and the whole West are now made in China. For this reason, for President Trump to think that he can win a trade war with China, he has to delve deeply and realize what would happen to America if China decides to ban all exports to America for just one mere solitary week.
As a matter of fact, and this shouldn’t come as a surprise, America actually uses Chinese-made products in its military. This Google link lists a whole number of them:
What needs to be kept in mind also is that much of America’s economy, its growth or otherwise, is based on its performance as a reseller of Chinese imports. Any growth in this sector is therefore a win for China.
With its pragmatic outlook at the world, China would be now perhaps beginning to grow cynical about its long term prospects with the West, and the American military intimidations in the South China Sea on one hand, and Trump’s trade sanctions on the other hand, would only be intensifying this sentiment.
To move the power base of the world economy from the West to Eurasia is not an easy task and fix that can be done overnight; and both Russia and China are aware of this. This alone is another reason why Russia and China need to develop the Silk Road network and develop the economies of a region that is inhabited by nearly half of the entire world population. After all, put it this way, if in a few decades Eurasia develops and the average consumer reaches economic parity with the average Western consumer, Eurasian economies would not then need Western consumers, would they?
The bottom line here is that China’s global policy of pragmatism ought to take a shift. China may have current and short term interests with the West and America in particular, but its future is with Eurasia.
In the world of big-fish-eats-small-fish, when Japan’s economy was booming, it is arguable whether Japan’s self-imposed geopolitical isolation was a contributing factor to its eventual downfall. China is clearly taking a different path to that of Japan and is actively engaged in strengthening its military. To this effect, if China wants to be the superpower it aspires to be, it can no longer restrict its global influence to making shy UNSC vetoes.
If Trump’s tweets about threatening Russia eventuate into action, Russia will be able to deal with the military threat alone, but China will need to walk the talk of its Defence Minister, General Wei Fenghe at some capacity or another.
When the US-led UN coalition invaded Korea back in the 1950’s, Chairman Mao sent one million Chinese troops into Korea. This did not stop the “police action”, but it disabled it from achieving the resounding success it was seeking. President Xi Jinping must walk in the shoes of his predecessor. China can put an end to the potential Western aggression against Russia and Syria and avert a potential global catastrophe simply by announcing the deployment of its aircraft carrier Liaoning into the Mediterranean. No Chinese message could be louder and clearer.
How about this?
China pledges to take over the protection of
* Russia’s east flank–freeing Russian forces to augment forces in the Middle East.
* Iran’s north and east flank–freeing large Iranian forces to move to, or negotiate passage through Iraq, and southwest into KSA, bypassing Qatar, if that can be negotiated.
Russia provides missile defence, air force for Iranian northern movement into Syria, and offers guarantees to the Kurds, Turks and Iraqi’s that Iran’s massed presence is temporary.
Or indeed Russia guarantees Chinese temporary passage through Kazakstan, southern Russia then into Syria via Azerbaijan. Now we have two massive ground forces (China, Iran), two near-US peer superpowers (China, Russia) at the borders of Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia.
I think deploying the Chinese carrier into the Mediterranean is more putting down a marker to make America think twice about attacking Russia by bombing Syria. It would be an inconsequential military asset if a real fight breaks out, but it’s mere presence must give the pentagon planners a new headache to think about.
If America or it’s allies attack the Chinese carrier, they would be opening a whole new can of worms to deal with.
I’d love to see Iran, China and Russia enter a full mutual defence treaty, with pledges of non-aggression against all other states. That would set the cat among the chicken-hawks.
frankly, I’m not sure what they’re waiting for, if they want to prevent a major conflict it’s about time they take a leap. My people have a saying but it wouldn’t be appropriate, paraphrasing wildly, you can’t win by playing safe. RF proved it’s worth in Syria, Iran as well, China is the one we’re waiting for probably.
I don’t think the Chinese will get involved in military terms here, isn’t the war in Syria practically over anyway?And the Russians are more than capable of handling USA/NATO military and on top that they have Iranian,Syrian,Iraqi allies to work with.What would be the point of Chinese getting involved?Solidarity?
as I see it, the point is the show of force, and avoiding getting to the point where Russia would need to handle the US. This is fast getting to be a world conflict, special ops, rhetoric at least. US is amassing the countries on their side (by force, stupidity or otherwise), the other side needs to do similarly, and quick. We’re seeing that (the above/article) but it isn’t enough.
Unless there’s a clear opposition (loud and clear, militarily and in any other way of support, solidarity), we risk US feeling like a top dog and too cocky. If the rest of the free thinking world, what’s left of it, gets together they may think twice, and that may be what could save this world, small things usually make the difference in situations like this. That’s the point that I see, regardless of who’s button is bigger :)
Also, is Russia capable or more than capable? We’ll never know until it happens, I’m not sure. I don’t think Putin is sure, nobody knows until they match each other. I think they can give a good fight and make the other side sorry, but it’s not going to be w/o massive casualties on both sides. We don’t want to get there. War is ugly thing, nobody wins.
that’s the wwiii scenario, I don’t see any such movement and regrouping happening w/o a real conflict breaking out, feathers need to fly for shackles to fall off (physical or psychological).
Potty. That is how China would take Vladivostok back
China owns 19% of Rosneft, oil and gas production corporation of RF. (The agreement covers the development of exploration and production projects in Siberia. The two companies plan to cooperate in refining, petrochemicals and crude trading.)
China has signed agreements with Chechen Republic for oil exploration and development. They will do oil extraction and refining in Chechnya. (April 2017)
China also has interests in the LNG industry in the Far East of RF.They have a 20% interest in the Yamal LNG operation of NOVATEK.
China will also have a piece of the uranium and nuclear power plant industry of RF soon.
(MOSCOW, March 12 — RIA Novosti. The first project of the Russian-Chinese Investment Fund for regional development (FIFG for) will be involved in the construction in Russia of a new large mine on Monday in Moscow was signed the agreement on the basic conditions of investment in this project, which is called unique and a breakthrough from the point of view of development of cooperation of Russia and China.)
China took a 51% interest in existing nuclear power plant TGC-2 in Yaroslavi.
China also has research and development projects with Russia in all areas of advanced forms of energy production.
As Eurasia develops following the OBOR and BRI and SCO projects China and Russia will be partners in most of the energy projects.
Even the arctic development by Russia is open to China to join in exploration, development, transportation and pipelines of the gas resources in Russian Economic Zone.
Basically, China is usually the first invitee to buy a piece of Russian businesses related to energy.
The Novichok Skripal hoax is the connective link between likely CW false flag attacks on French troops in Syria and the 2016 OPCW-Iran joint development of fourth generation nerve agents (novichok). Novichok is a key piece of the trigger mechanism being assembled for a war of annihilation on Iran. This war will go nuclear, will spill over regionally and will be conducted such spillover will consume the coalitions who have made war on the Israel since its declaration.
My mistake in previous comment: I thought the Chinese carrier was already heading to the Mediterranean. But my comment still goes for the naval assets they do have there.
I agree. If you consider this story;
“When you hear that the Russians have captured the city of Crimea, you should know that the times of the Messiah have started, that his steps are being heard. And when you hear that the Russians have reached the city of Constantinople (today’s Istanbul), you should put on your Shabbat clothes and don’t take them off, because it means that the Messiah is about to come any minute.”
The big question is does Russia enter Constantinople as Conquerer? And if so, how does Turkey provoke that outcome from where the situation lies today?
Obviously, a lot of effort will go into making sure that events play out in line with this particular prophecy.
I don’t remember Constantinople featuring in the End Times
End Times ‘prophecies’ are the greatest hoax perpetrated on gullible people.
I felt that as soon as I saw that Iran had developed ‘novichoks’ in 2016, under ‘OPCW supervision’. I would bet that the OPCW somehow suggested this course of action, otherwise the Iranians appear to me to have acted very foolishly, and set themselves up to be accused of ‘supplying novichoks to ‘animal Assad”. I’d hazard a guess that it will be an alpha scum-bag, like Chulov, who announces the connection.
China hasn’t done a thing in the Syrian war and won’t.
They will help rebuild the nation. They will help supply weapons to the Army.
They will assist with humanitarian needs. The PLA won’t show up.
Though they have exercised together with Russia in the South China Sea and in the Yellow Sea-Sea of Japan, China is reluctant to put its navy to use in combat. It has a few frigates that patrol for pirates off the Red Sea-Indian Ocean-Persian Gulf waters, China has an aversion to warfare outside its own direct interests near home.
Standing up to the US in behalf of Russia and Syria and Iran seems logical to everyone except the Chinese.
They are strategic partners but not allies with Russia.
Maybe things will change.
Russia doesn’t need them.
But when things shift to the other side of the world (as we see with North Korea) China must work with Russia against the US and its allies. Then, they integrate their strategies and tactics and defenses.
Russia is a military super power. China is a wealth super power. It may have a huge armed forces, but it could never feign for itself against the Hegemon.
Russia’s secret weapon is its Generals. They are heavily experienced from the Afghanistan War and the Chechen Wars. And now the Syrian War. They also are highly skilled at deconfliction and reconciliation, which saves lives, alters battles, preserves the strength of the best fighting units and quickens victories.
Right now, the Russian Generals are the ones shaping the US response. With warnings, with their track record of battlefield success, with their professionalism, with the Russian weapons systems, the Generals may make this crisis cool down. Certainly, they have most likely gotten the US to downsize the strike.
Well-stated, Larchmonter445. Good points all.
But I don’t believe that the Russians can allow the Americans to attack even purely Syrian targets. They must utilize their air-defense systems against the missiles at least; and better still, if they attack the target acquisition and missile guidance assets to be used by the US as well.
Larch, did you see that the Thanatopian psychopaths have threatened to sanction anyone who contributes to the re-building of Syria under its internationally recognised Government? Is there no limit to these beasts’ viciousness? Apologies to beasts.
if it comes down to a world wide conflict, China won’t have anything to rebuild, no silk road or any of that, it has to do something even if only the economy is in their interest. And I think that’s what they’re fast realizing. It’s not about helping militarily, it’s about show of force, getting all the forces behind the same line. In times like this that is very important. Drawing the lines, the intent, it’s what matters. This world got this far because nobody cared to stand up against the bullies but RF (and Iran pretty much). And don’t forget that China has the weapons of economical nature that could hurt significantly, once they fully commit to that idea, even if that means rewinding back their economical might a bit.
“China finds in Russia the perfect oil-gas producing partner to give the Petroyuan the proper and stable underpinning it needs to compete with the Petrodollar and replace it as the safe and rightful bid for oil futures.”
Even though it might look like China took a gamble with Petroyuan, the statement above clearly indicates
that Petroyuan is a result of direct China-Russia carefully planned execution.
As a result of that, no doubt China-Russia military cooperation is becoming much closer.
China will not foolishly walk into a Mexican standoff. At this point, no one knows the extent of Trump’s retaliation for the fake chem attack. If it’s similar to the last one (59 cruise missiles into an airbase) then the best course of action is for Putin to swallow the short term bitterness and not respond since he essentially will lose the battle but won the war.
I’m afraid that the plan is to reverse the course of the war and bomb the takfiri butchers to power,,, just as in Libya. Bibi insists. Eretz Yisrael must be redeemed from the ‘two-legged animals’. And Lebanon and Iran need ‘redeeming’, too.
China will make noises -that is all- to show its support for Russia. Occasionally, it may join Russia in a vote at the UN Security Council. But China will NOT go to war with the United States until it is attacked by the US military first, or if US Forces land in Taiwan, or attack North Korea (and only if the US is not provoked by the North Koreans first).
It is their grand strategy for China to supplant the United States as the indispensable nation (the Middle Kingdom) in a Chinese-centric world. In order to do this, the power of the United States must somehow be broken.
Eventually, the United States will collapse due the rotting process within: sexual perversion, moral decadence, hedonism, and the economic collapse brought on by laissez-faire capitalism. And the Chinese are prepared to wait for as long as that process will take. But if America and Russia go to war against each other, the Russians can hasten America’s demise even if they are badly weakened -even destroyed- in the process.
China will care for the Russian Federation, once this clash is over, with an abundance of financial aid and other forms of “soft power”, making Russia dependent upon China as the result.
The worst outcome for China, should the US and Russia go to total non-nuclear war, would be a series of tactical defeats for the US/NATO, which will lead the US political leadership to accept defeat rather than escalate to nuclear war. (I don’t consider either the series of defeats to be likely, nor the decision to seek terms rather than escalation to be likely.) Were that to happen, both the Europeans and the Moslems will want to forge ties with the Russians more than they would with China.
That would put an end to China’s own plans for hegemony.
Like Stalin wanted the French-British alliance to exhaust the Germans in a war of attrition, Xi Jin Ping would like the Russians to do the same to the Americans.
China will care for the Russian Federation, once this clash is over, with an abundance of financial aid..
You have no idea how capitalism works, do you?
The worst outcome for China, and the best for those who don’t want to be enslaved to Zionist Chinese NWO, would be for the US to follow Russia’s example, take a hit now and in 20 years be stronger than ever.
When the USD is collapsed in retaliation for the initiation of massive tarriffs against Chinese goods, refund only the first 1 million of each person’s wealth and in an instant every trillionaire in the USA will vanish, and should leave themwith just enough money to cover their legal expenses when they are prosecuted for their crime spree against humanity. Those who escape to the UK can be patiently hunted down with all this wonderful new spying infrastructure we possess for the fight against terrorism.
A ‘Zionist Chinese NWO..’-my you are a caution, Where. A regular hoot.
Every yuan’s a winner: Xi Jinping’s UK visit boosts London’s role in offshore yuan market, leverages expertise for internationalisation
Zionist expertise has been transferred to China, with the collapse of the US dollar planned to coincide with the rise of the Petro Yuan. London’s reward is to be the central renmimbi clearing centre outside of Asia for the new global fiat, an immensely lucrative deal.
You came up to something interesting with this one I think. I heard it on the news about this plans to “upgrade” the Yuan and it also made me raise my eyebrows. The thing is how the US is gonna to react to this plans? Maybe no reaction at all since the US is controlled for you know who.
America only managed a partial victory [in Korea], one that was followed by sheer and utter humiliating defeat in Vietnam.
Americans may lave lost the Vietnam War but their traitorous ruling class won it in spades, using the opportunity it created to remake their society into the confused and chaotic mess we see today. Upon US withdrawal from Vietnam and the latter’s 1978 invasion of Cambodia to remove the Chinese AND US-UK backed Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot, Margaret Thatcher’s favourite butchers in Indochina, China itself proceeded to invade Vietnam in 1979 and fought the 27 day Sino-Vietnamese border war as punishment for daring to defy the will of the Transnational Zionist Elite it was now publically allied to, thereby outing itself as a committed partner of rapacious Anglo-ZIonism and their project for a unipolar New World Order.
It was in those years that the true nature of the Chinese elite was revealed for all the world to see, and who were had been partners in opium and other businesses with the British in organized crime for almost 200 years.
The reward for China’s elite came not long after their invasion of Vietnam, when thanks to more than a decade of hard work by Zionist elite minion Henry Kissinger, and also the assasination of Mao by his wife and five others working for the Zionist Cabal, yet another British Zionist agent named Deng Xiaoping assumed power and declared it is glorious to grow rich, upon which the wholesale export of US industry to China as a reward, bought up by Zionist bankers after yet more financial chicanery, got immediately underway.
In exactly the same way it was Russians who lost the war in Afganistan, while their Zionist Bolshevik elites used the defeat as an excuse to destroy the Soviet Union and seize most of it’s wealth, an event which was the most astonishing capitulation of any great nation in history and which Vladimir Putin laments to this day.
China is no friend of Russia or Russians, although it is certainly allied to Russia’s treacherous Bolshevik-Atlanticist elites, and who are themselves allied to Zionist London and still pour most of their stolen Russian wealth into UK banks because Russia will never be a safe for those who betrayed their homeland and starved literally millions of their fellow citizens to death. It is they who might be fond of Mr. Kadi’s message, which explains why we are forced to endure it, but to any knowledgeable person he is giving the game away.
A trade war between the United States and China will mean Walmart shelves will be empty of cheap crap programmed to self destruct, for at most 1 or 2 years, boo hoo, thereafter the US will again find it’s economic mojo and the people who live there will quickly rebuild their industries just as Russia under Putin is doing today. Very soon all those devastated communites stuck between the finance and culture parasites infesting the Left and Right coasts will regain their productive capacity and tens of millions of Americans will find employment thereby helping them to rediscover their self respect.
A trade war with China can’t come soon enough! Bring it on, just so long as we use the opportunity to arrest every Zionist scumbag and take back everything they have stolen.
It is important to distinguish between those who mean good for the Russian and American people, and those who mean to support the Bolshevik-Altanticists and Necon Zionists elites who are forever attempting to trick us into supporting their devastaing schemes. Thanks to Vladimir Putin and the secret controllers of Donald Trump we are possibly returning to a world where the nation state will be strong enough to support itself against and prosecute all the gangsters who tell all the lies and take all the money as their reward.
A bunch of BS. All those Chinese and other minorities relieved their property, chased to the sea on the boats, and about half of them died in the sea was not punishable offense? All those bombing at our borders villages with Russia’s support was not punishable offense?
Your comment is incorherent.
There were Vietnamese boat people, mosty those who feared retribution for collaborating with the US in South Vietnam but who the US abandoned to their fate in 1974.
What are you trying to say?
“Vietnamese boat people (Vietnamese: Thuyền nhân Việt Nam) were refugees who fled Vietnam by boat and ship after the Vietnam War, especially during 1978 and 1979, but continuing until the early 1990s. The term is also often used generically to refer to all the Vietnamese (about 2 million) who left their country by any means between 1975 and 1995 (see Indochina refugee crisis). ”
“Repression was especially severe on the Hoa, the ethnic Chinese population of Vietnam. Because of increasing tensions between Vietnam and China, which ultimately resulted in China’s 1979 invasion of Vietnam, the Hoa were seen by the Vietnamese government as a security threat. They also controlled much of the retail trade in South Vietnam, and the communist government increasingly levied them with taxes, restrictions on trade, and confiscations of their businesses. In May 1978, the Hoa began to leave Vietnam in large numbers for China, initially by land. By the end of 1979, resulting from the Sino-Vietnamese War, 250,000 Hoa had sought refuge in China and many tens of thousands more were among the boat people scattered all over Southeast Asia and in Hong Kong.
The Vietnamese government and its officials profited from the outflow of refugees, especially the often well-to-do Hoa. The price for obtaining exits permits, documentation, and a boat or ship, often derelict, to leave Vietnam was reported to be the equivalent of $3,000 for adults and half that for children. These payments were often made in the form of gold bars. Many poorer Vietnamese left their country secretly without documentation and in flimsy boats, and these were the most vulnerable to pirates and storms while at sea.”
I guess what Vietnam did to Chinese were much better than what Russian Tsar did to China over 100 years ago. Russian today still idealize their barbaric Tsars.
Let’s all start over, J, forget the past and forgive(as the Nazarene recommended)the dead, and create a world without bloody internecine (we are all brothers and sisters, after all)conflict and vengeance. The first task is obvious-bring the hegemon down, and stop its blood-lust.
That indeed is the task, but how to accomplish this? Russia and China appear to have been making their own plans as far as trade and monetary systems, maybe waiting for the expected collapse of the western financial system. Those in control are parasitic and predatory. And they seem to have more tricks up their sleeve to keep things propped up than any could have imagined. I’m afraid we are running out of time. If they bring their armada, which I suspect they will, what is Russia to do? The meager forces in Syria will be vastly outnumbered without help from the entire military. Russia could withdraw and not get involved any longer to perhaps buy more time to prepare or wait to see if the west does collapse. This, of course, would mean the end of Syria and Iran. But the west will never let Russia, China or anyone else operate outside their system and become powerful and prosperous. So, sooner or later there is going to have to be a confrontation. I don’t think Russia can even depend on China for support. They don’t always support them at the U.N. What good is it to have a ‘friend’ who says they support Russia, but then when trouble arrives they stay way over there so as not to get hit too, but says they support you? I don’t think Russia has any real choice but to confront this predator now. If they engaged and destroyed these ships that will surely come before they get near and launch their attack, what will the west do? Russia has nukes too.
My comment was not about what was done to the Hoa. No doubt there was more than one cause for the 27 day border war between China and Vietnam in 1979.
A small part of my comment concerned joint Chinese and US/UK supoort for the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot, who murdered aproximately 3 of the ten million Cambodians when they came to power in the 1970’s.
What is your feeling about that J?
Something I’ve found very interesting is the story of the Chinese ‘Hakka’ people. They have a backround very much like the Jews of the West. The Hakka are primarily a mercantile people and form large minorities outside of China as well as within, for example in the Philipines and eslewhere in southeast Asia. Like Occidental Jews they have been repeatedly chased from their homes throughout history when their poorer neighbours grew angry over their ususrious and/or crooked ‘business’ practices. I recall this occurring fairly recently in Indonesia when many thousands of Chinese were driven out of their homes or had their businesses looted.
I believe the Hoa to which you refer, like most Chinese in Vietnam, were relatively important collabrators with the French colonial administration and then later with the US who killed 6 million Vietnamese during the war, and so the Hoa might have experienced their fate at the hands of those who had dreamed of revenge. That was the situation in Indonesia where millions died at the hands of a brutal government in collaboration with the USA.
As in all these situations most of the victims were probably innocent but this in no way excuses those who did collaborate with foreign invaders, as opposed to those who at least fought for the liberation of their country for over ten thousand days.
Another interesting fact about the Chinese Hakka is they dominate all of the top spots in the Chinese Communist Party and were responsible for prosecuting some of the worst aspects of China’s Cultural Revolution, including the murder of millions of fellow Chinese, as were Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia. Also like Russian Jews, most of the richest people in China are Hakka.
These are curious parallels, don’t you agree?
Concerning the part about the Tsar, I have limited awareness of the specifics but thank you for reminding everyone the Chinese generally dislike Russians, whereas with Anglo-Saxons the Chinese have a love-hate relationship because they have internalized the commands of the their oppressors to the point where they all take English first names. This is a good way to differentiate a common versus an elitist and Anglicized Chinese Hakka ‘Jew.’
the richest Hakka person in China is worth about USD 1.3 billion, not very impressive by the standards of Chinese billionaires. What made you think that most of the richest people in China are Hakka?
As you may know, in general in that part of China, people were very poor and starving in old time, that was why they went overseas, not because they were born rich or well do to start with.
Where-Wolf comments has no credibility.
Do you know what a Converso or Marrano is? They used to tell us there were no Jews in Spain as well.
Same principle applies to Chinese Hakka.
Hakka Chinese Political Leadership in East and Southeast Asia, and South America
Bunch of BS. What is your definition of Jew? People who work hard than others and made money?
They got where they are because they were poor, they fled to overseas and worked hard, made money. Some come back home, some stayed.
Their descents live and work there, why shouldn’t they be a political force as Irish, Italian, British, German descendants any where especially US? Since there are more rich white in South America, are they Jews too?
Like I said, you full of jealousy, have no credibility.
Where-wolf or were-wolf. You exhibited next to nothing knowledge about the Hakkas!
Yeah, Russia should apologise and compensate the descendants of the massacre of 15,000 Chinese peacefully and rightfully living on their land (agreed by the Russians in the Treaty of Aigun 1858) north of the Amur river at what is now known by the Russian name of Blagoveshchensk (Chinese name: Hailanbao) in 1900.
Notice what Philippines President Duterte just did in Hong Kong. He apologised for the deaths of Hong Kong tourists in 2010 who were taken hostage by terrorists and subsequently the police ‘botched’ the rescue operation. It was suspected that the rescue operation was deliberately botched.
Russia should apologise for the Hailanbao massacre and make restitution. It is the Christian thing to do once a wrong done is recognised.
Was Mickey Mouse a Zionist, too? They are everywhere, aren’t they, haunting your waking nightmares. The real ones are bad enough without having to invent orders of magnitude more.
Yes. As a matter of fact he was.
SUBLIMINAL MICKEY AND MINNIE EXPOSED (MUST SEE) NEVER SEEN BEFORE [NEW] 2011 Disney Bladid
Watch the video. Your entire reality has been constructed by Zionists, for the purpose of making you ignorant and easy to control, while you get to retain the feeling you are ‘special’ and therefore excusing you from responsibility or guilt when you engage in deceiving and degrading behaviour towards your fellow human man, Mulga, for example when you manipulate online comment sections on behalf of the governement and the gangsters who control it.
Once you’ve awoken to the psychological warfare perpetrated against you, in every aspect of life, there’s no going back. Eventually you become very good at spotting the rats.
Thanks, Where-I thought that annoying headache was a sign of stress, but apparently it was you, right inside my head, reading my thoughts. At least your paranoia is educational.
I see nowhere do you ever attempt to address what is written or posted Mulga.
Why could that be?
The US is trying to keep the Chinese navy focused on the spratly islands and the Formosa straight. China may be hesitant to dilute its naval power at this time.
Liaoning is not fully operational and may never be. It was developed to be a training Aircraft carrier.
They dont have experience and the ship is not fully operational! Its not a good ship at all!
Do you remember the russian experience there? It will be like that but worse…Where is the russian Aircraft carrier now?
The ship is from 1988!!! Its not new! Its a recovered crap!
They`ll never deploy this ship in the Med!
Better than this is simply use the russian base and stack some planes there.
Why a big target not fully operational with performance problems and with an crew with literally zero experience?
This is the worse idea ever…
0:05 – Why does China see the need for an aircraft carrier – is it a symbol of great power status or does it address a specific security need?
1:24 – In what scenarios is China likely to use its aircraft carrier?
6:00 – What progress has been made in developing an indigenous carrier and how will a second carrier enhance China’s capabilities?
12:21 – Will the Liaoning transform China into a naval superpower?
14:14 – How much training is required to make the Liaoning fully operational?
Hey mod, can u edit my previous post here to add this?
About China not helping…It was told, not in the big midia, at the time that this missile was Chinese.
I dont know if its true or not…
China does not care a bit about Russia,they have too much business with the US(same for India).Brics project is almost dead since the cia coup in Brazil,low importance of South Africa,India still being a UK puppet.
It is interesting that at this juncture reportedly Modi and Putin talked about a strategic partnership. We know India is unimpressed by the Patriots SAMs and it is therefore looking at ordering S-400 SAMs. Any comments on what this says to China?
It says that Modi is a busted flush, and India may yet come to its senses. India and China co-operating, ad with others, could save humanity. Their first task would be to save India from the climate destabilisation Holocaust, otherwise India will be uninhabitable for half the year by 2050-if not earlier.
Chinese are not going to Syria. Please do not expect them.
If the war is at Russian far east, yes, Chinese will be very likely join.
If the war at Pakistan against India, Chinese will very likely join.
If the war at Korea, Chinese will join.
If the war is at Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar, Chinese will likely join.
If the war is at India, Chinese will watch.
If the war is at bordering Stans, Chinese will likely join.
Our army is for protecting our borders, Syria is not at our border. There is no popular support/interest in China to join any conflicts in middle east.
But a Korea war, a war against japan, a war fight for survival by Pakistan against India will have popular support.
There are enemies are east sea, south sea and south side of Himalaya, I do not see Chinese send her soldiers to middle east.
J, I ditto that!
“China will need to walk the talk of its Defence Minister, General Wei Fenghe at some capacity or another.”
Readers may have forgotten that President Xi Jinping is the son of one of China’s greatest generals and spent three years in uniform as Assistant to the Secretary of Defense. In the past two years he has repeatedly called on his 2,000,000 man army to ‘prepare to fight and win wars’
According to Gallup, 87% of Chinese are willing and ready to fight–almost three times the percentage of Americans or anyone else: “Would you fight for your country in case of war ?” (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205688.0)
China overmatches the US in its Near Seas and my guess is that it will act there to take pressure off Russia.
A credible sequence goes something like this: in close coordination with Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Hezbollah…
1. Extend its ADIZ to cover Taiwan, the Strait and a 200-mile perimeter offshore requiring permission for every flight.
2. Announce that the Taiwan Strait is Chinese, permanently closed to military vessels.
3. Announce that the entire South China Sea is Chinese, ditto.
4. Show off some new weapons systems to complement its excellent missiles and its rapidly-growing fleet of 055 heavy cruisers, the most powerful surface combatants afloat.
5. Place entire nation on a war footing, call up the reserves and activate radars, light up all missile launching facilities, etc.
6. Issue an arrest warrant for Taiwan’s Tsai Ing-wen for treason and incitement to war and warn that anyone attempting to assist her will be charged as an accessory.
This would be front page headlines in every new media on earth yet the cost is negligible and no-one got hurt.
China’s military muscle and its capacity to sustain it in its Near Seas is far bigger than Western media have been letting on (read the USNI papers to see what I mean) and America is no match for China there.
Besides, as Clausewitz might have said, fleets win battles but economies win wars and China’s economy is far bigger, growing much faster and more capable of ramping up than ours.
That should take some heat off Russia.
Exactly. Last year, it was crisis in Syria over a piece of Chocolate cake, then a few long months of crisis over Korea. Now it is Syria again, The focus will turn back in East Asia in no time.
China is uncharacteristically making a lot of noise. The south China sea drill just finished, now a new one announced on Taiwan Strait.
There is a talk that If there is a war with Russia, then China will go for Taiwan…. What about DiaoYu islands? what about Koreans who want to even the scores….
I fully agree . Why would Russia and China want to stack the “tiny space” of the Mediterranean with huge naval assets? If war breaks out between US NATO and Russia it’s going to be a bloodbath there. It would be tantamount to a caldron. Let the West foolishly stack their navy . More for intimidation. Classic bully tactics. This scenario the USA NATO would suffer far more loss . My guess . Ukraine falls within 48 hours to Russia. Taiwan falls to China. Why fight USA NATO in Middle East where they are endowed with bases assets?Bring the war to their backyards where they hold numerical advantage. I would imagine Russia would take out Romanian, Polish NATO US “defence shield prior moments before their first retaliatory strikes against USA in Syria.
Make no mistakes. Russia and China are working in concertos. I am almost certain of that , in private , they have a military agreement. China has invested far too much in Russia to simply do nothing . They would be next . I’m sure they are certain of this.
Which leads me to ponder. Is it possible the Russians/ Chinese have in some way orchestrated these events to lure USA Nato into this possible conflict?
Who gains more ?
USA hundreds of billions of dollars in military assets and the realisation that the Unipolar world is over along with $US . In essence the death of the US .
Russia would finally resolve Ukraine crisis. removal of missile defence shield on its borders , but most importantly sent a clear message to Europe and the world .Global Stability and finally a multipolar world.
Dittos for the Chinese.
Food for thought
I believe Clausewitz is correct. And a corner stone of the lynch-pin of the US economy has just been taken out. The corner stone taken out is that there is no alternative to the US dollar. The other corner stone is the US military enforcing the use of the US dollar.
As such, the US economy is standing on the edge of a slippery slope. The stupendous (and useless) military spending (to enforce the US dollar) is pushing it over the edge onto the slippery slope of no return!
Will the Yanks wake up in time? Not with the present gang in charge!
Russia and China are working closely to dismantle the threat from the Americans slowly but surely. The aim to set up an alternative system that can bypass the western-centric system that allows them to bully, sanction and threaten nations that refuse to do their bidding. A crumbling empire is a dangerous foe, especially one that has had a free hand after the fall of the Soviet Union and talked triumphantly of the end of history.
In this endeavor, war is the absolute last resort. Russia’s new weapon system, which Putin announced, has already checked the Americans and ensured they will not have the upper hand and luxury of first strike. In other words, MAD is back on the table. Americans are left only with the option of seeing how far they can push Russia on Syria. Russia’s formidable military and the red line it has drawn seems to have worked. Mattis and Trump are already walking back their threats.
As important and indispensable as Russia’s role is in this, it is in the economic sphere that you will find the key to dismantling the neo-colonial system. And that’s where China is doing the heavy lifting in coordination with Russia.
The New Silk Road, the AIIB, the petro-yuan and the effort to overtake the West in technological innovation with Made in China 2025 are the weapons that will remake the world if successful. The vital pieces are already in place. All those who accuse China of being cowards and selfish know nothing about what is required to change the world. I’ll bet Putin is well aware that war must be averted if at all possible for their plan to work. And it seems to be working. Patience, friends. We build a new world brick by brick. Thank goodness for visionary leaders like Putin and Xi Jinping.
Thor,I think your analysis is very accurate. To add to it, the importance of a media presence in the west cannot be underestimated. Russia Today has been a marvelous antidote to the lies and propaganda of the BBC, CNN etc. China needs to project herself in the media in the west too. The populations of Europe and America don’t want war. The media is what tells them it is necessary. The antiwar movement used to be strong in the west, when the media was reporting the atrocities their governments were committing in Viet Nam but the powers that be have learn’t to embed reporters, monopolise the media and control the narrative e.g. the alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria. China and Russia need and benefit from trading partners so rather than isolating themselves they should grow their media presence tell the truth and reap the rewards.
A defeat of Russia by the Anglo-Zionist coalition would be a strategic disaster for China. She would be totally surrounded by NATO ABM systems in the north and the US navy in the south and a hostile chain of US East Asian vassal states. If Russia fails China will go the same way.
We can be certain that the Chinese are aware of this but are keeping their cards close to their chests. Russia is in the front line at the moment with China backing up in the rear. This is actually what is happening and is bound to deepen further, quite simply because it has to.
China will do what, what China will do. Has done so since 5000 years and more. Quite successfully. Farting around in the Mediterranean has never been much of a goal. And won’t be anytime soon.
The strength of the Russian-Chinese alliance is exactly the fact, that Russia stays Russian and China Chinese.
I think China will become more Russian and Russia will become more Chinese. The process has already begun on the Chinese side with the flourishing of the Orthodox Church with priests trained in Moscow.
That would be the most important aspect of the inevitable ‘getting together’ of Russia and China, which is in the works for centuries, despite the draw backs.
It would be interesting to gauge the amplitude of that movement.
A treaty of friendship and business is not a mutual defense pact……..China and Russia do not have a mutual defense pact between them.
It is too late for Chinese talking, and even if they talk it makes no difference.
Even if China wanted to do something regarding Syria it is probably too late.
Therefore there is a possibility that China will bet on its survival in the event of a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia and will only act after it has been attacked.
the distance from China to Syria is 5,812 km. Don’t you think this is a little too far for China to project its military might to?
China just held its biggest ever naval drill. It is going to hold live-fire drills in the Taiwan Strait next week. If you were a Pentagon planner making a war plan against Syria and Russia would you think about China’s drills?
” It was in those years that the true nature of the Chinese elite was revealed for all the world to see, and who were had been partners in opium and other businesses with the British in organized crime for almost 200 years.” Said by Where-wolf. Also that Mao was assassinated by his wife.
So the Chinese elites willingly imported opium and was not forced upon them by defeats in the two Opium Wars !! And the Chinese are joined at the hips with the Anglo-Zionists !!
These words can only come from some delusional brain like what the neocons and zionists in the US are having now.
Only a deluded guy can be presumptuous enough to be an authority on the Hakkas and the Overseas Chinese in Vietnam, the Russians, the Bolsheviks and the US/UK, ie the whole world.
This is the problem with the west. Presuming to know everything and yet nothing, they inflict havoc and destruction on the world.
Yes, the problem with the West or more specifically this is typical behavior of Anglos/English.But personally I don’t think their words are rooted in a presumption of knowing everything but rather their nature as storytellers.The French are recognized as the artists of Europe, but less well recognized is the aesthetic nature of the English as storytellers/story-writers, even though their work is everywhere.The Anglosphere for instance can be called a part of the world that is ruled by English storytellers with the people within this domain being actors acting the part of various characters in various story-lines written by these storytellers.
So it is not knowing everything but rather inventing everything(through their well developed imagination) provided their claims are not challenged by anyone else.I wonder if the Anglos themselves realize this and do it consciously or their minds just work that way sub-consciously – telling stories, believing their own works of fiction and going forward based on said fiction.
China needs to issue Eurodollars through Hong Kong to usurp London so Russia cannot be hindered from raising funds
The only way to stop US/Nato/Israel aggression in the Middle East is to raise the cost to the empire. The entire Middle East is disgusted, and repudiates the Anglo/Zionist Empire destruction of countries who refuse to be their vassals. Among the people of the Middle East, they collectively have deep admiration for Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah, for its courage to stand up and fight and even defeat the Anglo/Zionist Israeli army as it had in 2006 in Lebanon. Nobody is afraid of the United States and Israel anymore, for they are defeated in everybody’s eyes.
It is in China’s interest for there to be stability in the Middle East, and counter the destabilizing influence of the US/Israel. It would be a benefit to the peoples of the Middle East and the world. It would also give valuable experience to China in the Muslim world which are China’s eastern neighbors.
Before I even read the article…
“China must walk the talk and support Russia”
Well said :D
The Anglos and the US neocons/zionists believe their own fictional stories, going forward, acting on them and inflicting huge destruction and death on the world. To name the latest; the Skripal poisoning blamed on Russia and the latest missile strike on Syria. And the groundwork to the current destruction of the middle east must surely be Lord Balfour’s declaration to annex palestinian land to give to the Khazarian jews.
The anglo world is wrapped up in contradiction and false hood.
The Korean War was not even a partial victory for the Yanks. It as a defeat in all but name. Witness the subsequent ferocity of the Yanks in inspiring riots against the overseas Chinese – Burma 1967, Indonesia 1965 and Malaysia 1969. In Vietnam, France was first defeated due to Chinese help to the Vietminh especially at Dien Bien Phu where Chinese artilery and air defences were decisive.
Fear of Chinese intervention in the subsequent Yankee war in Vietnam (the 2nd Vietnam War) prevented thenm from invading North Vietnam and confined them to ultimate defeat.
The Chinese were too astute to be triumphant. Unlike the boastful Yanks.
The present corrupt Chinese elite is obsessed with money and is not comparable to the Communist elite led by Chairman Mao. It is highly unlikely that the present Chinese oligarchy will want to undermine its partnership with the US over Russia- a country which could not even keep Ukraine under its sway!!