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re: MH17..By the way, I hope the French Saker site is up –they must have been doing something right to be “DDOSed”. If the Dutch are going to make up an inconclusive report tied to a speculative report exhibit A then it might be well advised that a speculative anti-report exhibit B be in the works right now. Maybe someone can do a spoof featuring alien invaders wanting to mess with everyone’s mind. If this was a Buk attack on MH17 then it is very farfetched that it was just an “oops” kind of thing happening in the fog of war. Basically MH 17 was positioned ( and probably was not the only plane to have been so positioned ) to be at a certain place and at a certain time and many, many people know that. But “probably” ..”maybe” ..”kind of ” does not do what needs to be done for justice to be served.
McGovern saying there will be some CIA whistle blowers soon was interesting. Not a nice position to be in for anyone with integrity. Sit on evidence or go to jail for whistle blowing.
The Russian Ambassador to UK has Russia’s position on MH17 on RT:
…..” The haste in pushing the adoption of a resolution and its extended scope of reference seem to indicate that the UN Security Council is being used to find a pretext for using the MH17 tragedy to organize a ‘trial’ over Russia on the Ukrainian dossier.
In view of the above, Russia will not engage in textual work on the draft resolution on the establishment of an international tribunal or its proposed draft charter. At the same time we hope that our partners will understand our position and support completion of the investigation in a transparent manner which would provide a solid basis for a subsequent identification of a suitable trial formula.”
‘Was there a 2nd plane?’ New footage shows MH17 crash site minutes after Boeing downing
News Corp Australia has obtained a previously unknown video allegedly taken minutes after Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was downed in Ukraine exactly one year ago. The voices cited by the transcript of the full footage claim a warplane shot down the Boeing.
The four-minute clip posted by the News.com.au is followed by a transcript from a longer 17-minute video, which has not been released. News Corp Australia told RT that they “stand by the transcript, it was taken from the full video, which investigators now have.”
The text cites a rebel commander as saying that “the Sukhoi [fighter jet] brought down the plane and we brought down the Sukhoi.”
Later on, the man is quoted as saying that “there’s two planes taken down,” while a voice in the background says, “the fighter jet brought down this one [MH17 Boeing], and our people brought down the fighter. They [the Ukrainians] decided to do it this way, to make it look like we have brought down the plane.”
According to the transcript, there were also between two and “five parachute jumpers” who landed at the nearby Grabove village. These included a pilot “roaming about Rassypnoe” [a nearby village] and a commander ordering his men go and get him immediately.
One of the rebels is also wondering who and why they [the Boeing] was given permission to fly over the warzone.
The four-minute clip shows rebels searching the debris for black boxes and finding one, as well as personal IDs of the passengers, which they then filmed on the camera.
The article has the short 4 minute version of the video footage embedded, but it’s at youtube and youtube running their usual childish zionazi gay games to block viewing it. It’s marked “discretion advised”, but when you OK it for viewing, you get the “oops, something went wrong” message and no video plays. The transcript at new.com supposedly is for the full 17 minute version. What the Novorussians say there is important. Ignore the news.com spin, it is a deliberate misrepresentation of what is in the video and is a typical zionazi smear job.
Remember this man?
Lev Aleksandrovich – MH17 eyewitness
He describes 1 Su climbing towards the air liner, followed by 3 “booms”. That Su flew away after. There 2 others more distant, apparently attacking ground targets and these were shot down by the Novorussians. The Novorussians in the news.com video had information a Su had been shot down and probably assumed there was just one around and it was the one which attacked the airliner. This sort of confusion is normal in these circumstances. The important thing is witnesses saw Su aircraft approach the airliner just before it was destroyed.
The clip I saw had the images of bodies scrambled — so there is no excuse not to show the video on Youtube except to censor the information. But of course — why would google allow a video which clearly refutes the empire’s false narrative.
I’m surprised the transcript was available, even though the translation might not tell the whole story that which it does tell is pretty damning to the empire, supporting that MH17 was shot down by the fighter jet.
The truth is being established despite the imperialist MSM attempts to spin and censor.
The Russians early on provided factual info of a Su being in close proximity of MH-17 when it was shot down. At the time, they didn’t make any official claims as to what brought the plane down. That’s changed, the Russians now consider the evidence points to an Ukrainian Su having shot down the air liner, using an Israeli provided A-A missile type. The ZPC/NWO attempt to cover their arses via a phony UN tribunals likely being the reason the Russians decided the time is now to expose this zionazi/nazi war crime for what it was. See:
MH17 likely downed by air-to-air missile, not Russian made – Investigative Committee
MH17 Most Likely Shot Down by Air-to-Air Missile
It’s clear the Russians consider MH-17 was shot down by a Ukrainian Su-25. That they now are claiming the aircraft used Israeli supplied A-A missiles means they are releasing held back intelligence data, and may release more of what they know. In my opinion, the Russians have decided it’s time to name the war criminal scum. A proactive approach to an obvious zionazi smear campaign in the making (remaking).
The following article goes into detail about the orcs using Israeli A-A missiles to shoot down the air liner:
Israeli-made air-to-air missile may have downed MH17 – report
A report on Malaysian Airlines MH17 air disaster in Ukraine last year by a group of old-hand aviation security experts maintains that the Boeing might have been downed by an Israeli Python air-to-air missile.
The report was leaked via the private LiveJournal account of Albert Naryshkin (aka albert_lex) late on Tuesday and has already been widely discussed by social media communities in Russia.
The authors of the investigative report have calculated the possible detonation initiation point of the missile that hit the passenger aircraft and approximate number and weight of strike elements, which in turn designated the type and presumed manufacturer of the weapon.
The external view of MH17 hull pieces indicates that “fragments of the pilots’ cockpit have suffered specific damages in the form of localized puncture holes and surface dents typical for hypervelocity impacts with compact and hard objects,” the report says, stressing that similar damage could be found on the inner side of the cockpit.
The report specifically points out that chips of the body coat around the holes in the fragment are typical of wave effects created by hypervelocity impacts.
Some damage, though larger and less clustered, could be found near the air-scoop of the left-wing engine of the aircraft.
Apart from the large puncture holes, the debris of the nose and the cockpit of the aircraft bear a large number of scattered micro-craters resulting from the impact of high-velocity dust and tiny debris, such as an unburnt blasting agent and elements of the ordnance that accompany a shock wave from a blast that occurred very close to the target. In the case of MH17, the pilots’ cockpit.
Altogether, the experts considered photos of five fragments of the cockpit and left port of the flight MH17, on which they counted some 230 “battle-damage” holes and punctures.
All this considered, the experts claim that the exact zone of the blast impact could be established with a fair degree of accuracy.
The warhead of the missile exploded very close to the cockpit, to its left side at a distance of 0.8-1.6 meters from the cockpit windows, exactly opposite the sliding window of the aircraft commander.
The dimensions and character of the puncture holes left by the strike elements allegedly allow their size and form factor to be established, which in its turn makes it possible to identify the type of weapon used in a particular case.
The cross dimension of absolute majority, 86 percent, of the 186 hull holes studied by experts measure between 6 and 13mm, with explicit maximum of them having cross dimension of 8mm.
This fact brought the expert group to a conclusion about the size of the strike elements of the warhead. If the warhead had been armed with two types of strike elements, the majority of the holes would have been of two types, the reports notes.
The strike element has been established of being a rectangular block measured 8mm x 8mm x 6mm, with margin of error of 0.5 mm, a high probability it was made of steel and an estimated weight of 3 grams each. The total number of such elements should have varied between 2,000 and 4,000.
The report confutes the argument of Russia’s Almaz-Antey military concern that early claimed that “intricate shape” double-t steel fragments, similar to those used in warheads of surface-to-air Buk missile systems, have been extracted from the debris of MH17 flight.
Howwever, the double-t strike elements of a Buk missile weigh 8.1 grams, more than twice as much as a single damage fragment among those that pierced MH17’s hull. Thus, according to the report, the hypothesis about a Buk missile system being involved in the crash is “most probably incorrect.”
With 95 percent probability, the group of experts estimates the weight of the missile’s warhead (explosives plus strike elements) that shot down MH17 of being between 10 and 40kg.
This led the experts to determine the exact type of the weapon used against Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
The report says that that Soviet- and Russian-made surface-to-air missile systems use more powerful warheads than the established maximum 40kg, as is the case with MH17.
Moreover, Soviet- and Russian-made air-to-air missiles which have a similar 10-40kg warhead capability use other types of strike elements within one warhead – obviously not the case with MH17.
The missile that attacked MH17 had a passive radar homing head, which explains why the missile exploded so close to the cockpit. Under the radar-transparent nosecone of a Boeing 777-200 there is a surveillance radar station operable during the flight, so most likely the missile homed on to this radar as the target.
Apart from a radar homing head, the missile could also be equipped with an advanced, matrix type, imaging IR seeker, which enables the missile to determine the size and the type of the target and choose for attack its most vital element. For a huge Boeing aircraft, that’s the cockpit.
A simulation of the missile attack has proved that missiles with that type of guidance choose to attack a big passenger plane from the front hemisphere.
There are four air-to-air missiles that fit the description established by the experts, namely: French Magis-2, Israeli Shafrir, American AIM-9 and Israeli Python – all short-range.
The first three have been struck off the list for various reasons, including type of warhead or guidance system specifications. The Python deserved a closer look.
The Python is equipped with a matrix-imaging IR seeker. It enables a relatively moderate power warhead to effectively engage big aircrafts. The warhead is armed with a set of ready strike elements. Even more importantly, some open military sources suggest that in early 2000s a number of Sukhoi Su-25 assault fighter jets we refurbished to use fourth and fifth generation Python missiles, which look very similar to the Su-25’s standard air-to-air R-60 missile.
This article is one of the best I’ve seen on the shoot down and includes photos showing the damage and the Israeli and Ukrainian weapons described. It vindicates some of the speculation I made last summer about the location of the explosion, the signs of blast damage indicating this was close to the left side of the nose, and the size of the warhead being smaller than that of a Buk warhead. The info presented also refutes a Buk warhead as being the source of the damage. The Python being the culprit also clears up the many inconsistencies in previous theories with regard to aircraft damage and missile warhead types not really matching up.
Thanks for posting that info. It appears Orc forces are going to resume the attack in order to push MH-17 news off the front page.
Never-before-seen footage reveals Donbas rebels arriving at the wreckage of MH17
(user – Russia Insider)
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“Whoever lies first wins” is something to be reckoned with. The US and its vassals are very skilled at lying first, loudest and most repetitively. There is much truth in the quip that lies circle the globe before the truth gets its pants on.
I cringe when I see New Corp’s (Rupert Murdoch) video of unknown authenticity and unverifiable transcript conveniently released on the anniversary of the event. Maybe there is a scrap of truth or two in it, mixed with 100 pounds worth of diversion from the fact that hard evidence is being withheld by the Dutch-led investigators.
It is frustrating to my western-thinking mind to see Russia so focused on legalistic playing by the rules that they literally hold their punches. The black boxes were as good as in Russia’s hands, but Russia wouldn’t touch them. Russia has already seen the draft of the Dutch Safety Board’s final report. The Russians know the report is crap. But they’re holding their fire until the release of the final report presumably in the first half of October. They might as well beg the West for more sanctions.
The truth will come out eventually. But by that time the truth won’t really matter because the world’s attention will be on the events of that day. The lies win again
“Whoever lies first wins”
No need to be first. By controlling the the media-cartel you can lie first, second or last. And change your lies on a daily basis. You can claim to be God’s personal envoy on earth. One one will even dare to laugh. How funny.
Q; By controlling the the media-cartel you can lie first, second or last.
Now, who controls the media?
In the Western MSM sewer it is he who lies the biggest and the most repetitively who wins. It is useful to lie first, but not mandatory. Lockerbie is the perfect example of that.
After the Lockerbie atrocity, it was rather quickly established that the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, based in Syria, and working for the Iranians (who wanted revenge for the deliberate US destruction of an Iranian airbus with over two hundred victims, by the USS Vincennes)had infiltrated a US Drug Enforcement Agency ‘sting’ in operation, and planted the bomb with the DEA patsy/courier (who would be shepherded through Customs on his way to the USA). This story was reported widely in the Western MSM for 18 months, until the USA was poised to destroy Iraq in the first Gulf Massacre.
Needing Iranian and Syrian acquiescence, the USA couldn’t allow a little thing like the facts get in the way, so overnight, with the usual 100% Groupthink of the Western MSM, Libya became the new fall guy, doubly useful as it opposed the war mania. The MSM presstitutes also developed complete amnesia for their prior positions, and Libya got framed, with the aid of ‘evidence’ planted by FBI experts. A mock show trial followed, where only one of two patsies charged with ‘conspiracy’ (a one-man conspiracy?) was convicted, the stupidity and corruption of which verdict, a black day in the history of Scottish jurisprudence, of course escaped the MSM vermin. So if it requires lying, selective amnesia, hypocrisy and service to power, the MSM scum are always down to the task.
While it’s great to hear discussion on MH17 that isn’t the cheesy gay zionazi propaganda lies that is the staple of western media, this report is decidedly light on information. Programs like this need to incorporate detailed factual info along with the more general observations of obvious corruption in the zionazi spin. The general stuff only reinforces our “feelings”, it fails to satisfy our lust for hard information and facts. There are plenty of details which the people in the west have no idea about of this war crime. Give them the details, one would be surprised to the degree people in the west, tired of the gay zionazi-nazi horse manure, really hunger for those details – those never mentioned in the zionazi media facts that many suspect exist, but are at a loss about where to find them.
As noted by Bot Tak et al, the RT article goes into great scientific depth but seems to have disappeared from the front pages:
Israeli-made air-to-air missile may have downed MH17 – report
I personally like this version as the BUK never made sense in the launch noise, lack of (credible) witnesses/no smoke trail/shape and large size of shrapnel/need for additional radar control BUK vehicle for target solution at FL320 plus expert BUK system knowledge needed to operate.
Launched from an SU-25 that was definitely in the vicinity ( or other fighter) the air-to-air missile scenario can only mean that junta Ukraine or another state player other than Russia was responsible e.g. US/Israel, NATO country, even Georgia (given the Israeli conection there) or oligarch mercenary.
If the Israel Python Air-to-air missile’s shrapnel is of an appropriate size to match the MH17 damage shown and homing method/ vectors agree with detonation distance then this is a very plausible hypothesis.
I lack the knowledge to assess the Israeli Python missile’s payload and properties and ascertain whether it matches the MH17 damage profile but somebody must know this.
Western ‘journalists’ are not going to touch this with a ten foot pole but somebody out there with true expertise needs to refute/corroborate that analysis.
What the program made clear about “who lie’s first wins the narrative” is exactly how this is playing out.Without Russia “officially” releasing absolute proof of the Ukrainians (or whoever) having shot the plane down.It will always be blamed on the NAF and/or Russia.No matter whatever we say,the lie is set in stone now.Only satellite or photo images released “actually” showing the shoot-down would change that.Why they haven’t (if they have them) I have no clue.But since the US won’t release those they have (if they have any) seems to point to it not being the NAF. Otherwise,its doubtful they wouldn’t have released them at the start.But for Russia,again,I have no clue for them not releasing what they have.
Only reason I can think of is that Russia’s photos or evidence is either too good or specific as to how it works that they would reveal too much information about their capabilities or what it is.
I’ve heard that theory,and it may be right.But I think the horrible stain the NATO powers are inflicting on Russia with this situation worldwide trumps anything else.Its a horrible mistake for Russia not to expose this (if they can).
Russia is losing on all fronts: Lybia, Ukraine, Sirya, Cuba, Iran… and now they are defanging the DPR. Russia’s economy is in tatter. It’s going to get much worse once Iranian oil hits the market.
The U.S. Economy is NOT collapsing. In fact, two days ago Google reported its best quarter ever.
China appears to be just a paper tiger. For years, alternative blogs claimed China was accumulating thousand of tons of gold… turns out they don’t even have 2,000 tons…
All the pro-Kremlin propagandists do is talk of stuff that might happen in 2020, 2021, 2022, etc., etc. seriously! Everything (military buildup, economy, delivery of weapons to foreign countries, etc.)… everything is years and years into the future… Seriously?
I’ll add that those are the analysts that were way off the mark regarding Syriza and Tsipras… those analysts that have told us the U.S. is about to collapse everyday for the past seven years…
As I’ve said in previous comments, Putin had a lot of credit with all the sovereinists in Europe… but that was almost 20 months ago… people have grown tired of all the big talk with no actions.
All the Kremlin does is talk, talk, talk… The Ukrainian crisis is almost two years old.
Let’s face reality…
I have no doubt I will see Russia “return” Crimea to Ukraine somehow in my lifetime. And probably sooner than later.
That will never happen.The Crimeans would never tolerate it.And the Russians would never do it.Any Russian government trying that would be signing their own death warrant with the Russian people.And then you would see a government that would have you “pro-Empire” boys dreaming of how great it was for you with Putin.The new government would enforce Russia’s interests.And if that mean WW3 on the US,so be it.
Yes, they would. All it takes is the right propaganda campaign on TV, coupled with economic difficulties, with the whole engineered by the elites of both the west and Russia (Russian elites wish they had not gotten Crimea back and look for ways to walk that back), and Crimeans will be directed right where the elites want them psychologically, right before they are, all of a sudden, given the “opportunity” to vote in a new referendum…
That’s how it works. And I note that the idea of a new referendum has been trial ballooned in the Russian media here and there…
By the way. I’m not pro-empire. Quite the opposite. But I pride myself on being a realist, not a wishful thinker.
I commented right on this board that Tsipras was obviously an agent of the empire when he was putting on his play to, in the end, screw the Greeks, the Russians and those who had placed their hope in him.
Meanwhile you guys were celebrating “Grexit” and the new pipeline to Russia, etc.
You guys continue to analyze what people say instead of analyzing facts and actions.
I never trusted Tsipras,from the start.And yes,we do sometimes “wishful think”. But this is different.Too much blood,too many patriotic people heavily invested in Russia with this.Propaganda can work wonders,true.But there is propaganda on both sides.And there is the living proof of your friends and relatives talking to you.Russia isn’t the US,they have the war next door.And literally millions of Russians have friends and relatives in Ukraine.To attempt what you suggest could easily cause the “Second Russian Revolution”.
Well, I hope you are right. In the meantime, check out PCR’s latest column. Great stuff! Pay special attention to the conclusion.
The spin that essentially says “they are all exploiting us and are on the same side” with regard Russia or Novorussia is standard Psyops. The intent of the the psyops is to convince people to stop supporting the people the ZPC/NWO is attacking “cause they are equally bad”. Look for that theme here, it will tell you the commenter is a websayan. This sort of psyops is used to neutralise the left in the west, it is also used to support the the zionazi/nazi R2P bs, by default. The main purpose of this psyop is to get people to give up resisting the zio-master and just accept their servitude. An old American equivalent phrase, that basically serves the same demoralising effect on fascist/capitalist opposition is: “you cant fight city hall”.
This is the standard “Everyone is Bad” propagana meme that I have noticed all the Anglo-Zionists controlled opposition using.
The Anglo Zionists know they can’t offer any positive arguments to support the American Empire so they attempt to smear any opposition to it.
This has the effect of TACITLY supporing the Empire in all but name.
The Anglo Zionists are truly devious bastards.
Bot Tak-precisely! The Devil’s best trick is to make people disbelieve his existence. The real fiends proclaiming that ‘Everybody is the same’, is pure bull-dust. The psychopaths who control the Real Evil Empire of the West are the worst people on the planet, and while many lumpen monsters follow them loyally, at least an equal, and almost certainly greater number are ordinary, decent, human beings sick of exploitation, rule by violence and destruction of the planet. They just need someone to inspire them by standing up to the Evil Ones and we might just be rid of them, before it is too late.
Speaking of all the same…
The Debate Over MH17 Has Been An Embarrassment to The West (and Russia)
No, you do not know what happened to MH17. Neither do you. Or you. Or you over there.
If it’s not already clear that both sides here are acting in an almost equally pathetic manner, let me try again to explain.
very much along this line — from Russia Insider!
I am no longer sure. Kremlin has been intimidated to return Donbass even though it means bloodshed in Donetsk and other cities. This week they pressured DNR, LNR to send away tanks (100 mm caliber) while Ukr are heavily shelling Donetsk, Gorlovka etc. and increasing army at the contact line to 70 000. It is beginning to look to me that Russia is helping Ukraine to defeat militia.
The problem is that US is not satisfied with Donbass. It wants Crimea too. And if the choice will be Crimea or war with NATO, what do you think Russia will choose?
Bianca, yesterday you came with the same story about the same time. Provide facts apart from that of the tanks or other arguments or I´ll start believing that you are trolling.
Unfortunately, Bianca appears to be giving a friendly warning, rather than being a troll. Some observers very sympathetic with Novorossiya are afraid of just what she is saying. It does look like Moscow is suppressing the ability of the DPR/LPR to be successful, and using the JCCC to put pressure, for example, on the militia to withdraw from Shirokino and elsewhere along the contact line. I prefer Saker’s take on this, that the DPR/LPR leadership are setting a trap for Poroshenko through this withdrawal. But developments are unsettling. See for example Quemado Institute commentary
Right after they give Moscow to Georgia and St. Peterburg to Finland.
Anonymous 5.34, I had to readjust my surgical appliance after I laughed so hard at your ‘contribution’. You’re not the ‘Hanoi Songbird’ John McCain, are you?
Anon-to deal with well armed(include nuclear) ) psychopats you have to be very carefull .V V Putin / Lavrov do theirs best….
For MH17 to have been shot down air to air means it was planned. Anyone planning something like that needs to be able to pin the shootdown on the other side which did not have aircraft, unless they were to try and say a Russian plane shot it down.
For that reason I think there was also a Surface to air missile used with fighter plane as backup to make 100% certain of downing the plane. Robert Parry at Consortium news, his contacts for whatever they are worth seems to believe that a missile launch was detected, but did not match the narrative of separatists firing it. https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/17/mh-17-mystery-a-new-tonkin-gulf-case/
Still no witnesses to a smoke/vapour trail though. The other thing, all witnesses are reporting at least two explosions, some witnesses reporting three explosions.
Regarding Israeli missile – along with Kolomoisky, Murdoch whose papers were screaming Putins missile within hours of the crash, has some pretty strong Israeli connections.
The amazing year of silence about both the contents of Air Traffic Control tapes and MH-17 flight recordings is indicative of another agenda, the release of this information would expose that agenda and those holding it to public scrutiny they would not prevail; the act of coverup gives validity to the suspicions. Why these recordings have been hidden behind the veils of secrecy and will likely never be revealed lays in the fact that MH-17 was rapidly approaching Russian air space and had made contact before being diverted over the zone of military activity. Having a radio channel open to Russian Air Traffic Control, the Russians also have a verbatim copy of proceedings, any published deviation of what transpired would be obvious and could be immediately exposed as false. Bears are past masters at hibernation; Russian bears are familiar with how that works. Don’t expect Russia to first expose their facts until the hegemon and its subjects open their assertions to factual checking but not before. Social tittle-tattle doesn’t qualify as assertion; disabuse yourself of the notion that it does.
The Queen of England of today, with her mom and rest of family, giving the Heil Hitler arm salute in 1934. They’re Germans, of course.
Isn’t amazing how quiet the barking dogs get when you throw them a piece or two of raw meat? As soon as the Russian conference detailing the radar data from Rostov, and imagery of BUK movements by UKR, they went quiet, but not before they did the damage of firmly implanting the lie of Russian aggression and crimes against humanity by being first on TV and at the newsstands with the fabricated stories which paved the way for illegal and unjustifiable sanctions. Patrick Henningsen’s crew did an excellent job of ripping the official narrative to shreds. And then there is the highly suspicious actions of UKR military storming the tower at the Kiev airport and seizing all the data and audio tapes. That evidence is now useless because they broke the chain of custody which means that as far as evidence goes, it’s tainted and inadmissible. It shows that they were well aware of what happened, as it was going on, because their timing of the raid was too precise. This indicates prior knowledge as accomplices.
For what it’s worth, from what I’ve found about the BUK system, the missile packs quite a punch and I think it would have ripped MH-17 into a lot of small pieces that would have rained down for 20 minutes after the attack over a much wider area. A smaller A-A missile would be just enough to get the job done and using an Israeli made weapon would throw off investigation because it’s not expected, but there wasn’t going to be an investigation anyway, and I say that because if there really was something like that, we’d have heard something before now. Just as there was no real or serious investigation of 9/11. The stage managed mock-investigation serves to cover up the crime more than anything else and the object lesson here is that we are forced to wake up and realize we’re facing some seriously deranged and viciously evil people who will kill us to achieve their ends.
Russia seems to be completely unaware of the value of social tittle-tattle for winning over weak minds. By the time Russia exposes the facts that they’ve been withholding the world will have already reached its conclusion and moved on to other topics.
It isn’t as if the Dutch Safety Board will release their final report this Oct. and then a week later the Russians are going to spill all of their information. The criminal investigation will be ongoing. Russia is holding cards that won’t be played until 2016 or later. Perhaps much later.
A reply to Anonymous has been made and ‘lost’ but unlike Anonymous’ the reply was direct and germane to the subject it was replying to. That reply was addressed to a spurious reply, unrelated to the subject being addressed, full of innuendo and insinuation based upon total lack of historical knowledge or appreciation that the world then did not operate on the same terms in effect today. Anonymous’ reply could not rise above stereotypical ignorance of prejudice, a one size fits all stupidity but that is likely Anonymous projecting their own qualities upon their surrounding – stupid does as stupid thinks. As jejune as Anonymous’ reply was, it is noteworthy that Anonymous was incapable of expressing whatever passes as thought in their alleged mind in a manner that can stand on its own merits; Anonymous is an intellectual remora, needing some other means other than their own to get anywhere. Such Anonymous creatures, beside their spineless anonymity, are as pathetic a species as is possible to be.
An opinion from The Guardian concerning the purloined video of two children at play.
and the historical background of the era for those whose minds aren’t as warped as Anonymous’ seems to be.
Counterpunch carries a definite must read article today which I recommend people to read here :
Some Russian humor on Fort Russ:
“Everything you need to know about MH17: If the West had evidence against Russia, the investigation would be over in a week.”
A Nazi officer:
“How does one greet an officer, Hans?”
“If he’s German, you raise one arm, if Russian, you raise two…”
“Ukraine accuses Aidar commander Melnychuk of establishing a criminal organization”
“But…Nadezhda Savchenko served in that battalion”
“Does it mean she received Hero of Ukraine award as a member of a criminal organization?”
Ministry of Health Warning:
“Fighting against Russians is hazardous to your health.”
“The Airborne Forces are not the Ministry of Health–they don’t issue warnings.”
1967: USA. Women chased out of the Boston Marathon.
1963: USSR. Valentina Tereshkova becomes the first female cosmonaut.
Human rights being “enforced” in the US:
Sorry this is off topic but there have been a lot of rumors about DPR being “reorganized” these are from Kazzura:
Few things, that are sad and that have been obvious for a while, however maybe it’s obvious only here:
— DPR ministry of defense is abolished
— DPR Republican Guard is disbanded, its units are part of DPR army corps aka “DPR People’s Militia”
— “Somali” battalion disbanded (Givi, basically, how to put it… associated with Kononov-Zakharchenko, “Oplot”)
And rumours about shifting Zakharchenko, basically it has been obvious from the start, he’s able to do only what RF allows him, and was chosen as person with image of a brave soldier but completely dependent on Kremlin, it fitted the first “post-Strelkov” period since people wouldn’t just accept some Pushilin, Purgin or Khodakovsky as heads of the state, but for the further process of “changing Ukraine from inside” aka pushing Donbass back under Kiev govt, a different figure will be required.
Does anyone know anything about these things? It sounds serious.
Right now it is not been confirmed by Col Cassad, and it smells of nonsense.
Givi is busy with Somalia brigade countering the airport attacks and nearby villages.
So, demobilizing or un-organizing this is more nonsense.
Zakh makes speeches and representations for the last few days as head of the Donetsk.
Video and days of speeches seems to be counter-indicating his removal.
The Strelkov and Gloomy camps are egomaniacal sources of useless info.
They actually push forth the notion that Surkov, a man in a dark suit, dreams up all this stuff in order to defy Putin and sell out the Donbass.
The notion of a Donbass Army was momentary. It worked symbolically for the very costly attack on and conquest of Debaltcevo. They are again separate militias, most likely.
1. Putin is not going to give up Donbass to the junta.
2. Surkov has power from Putin. If he did one thing wrong, one slight deviation from Putin’s plan, he would have a shortened lifespan as personal representative.
3. The Russian military has run the war. The militia fights the war.
4. There is a long war strategy, there are short term tactics, there are political on the ground considerations, and there are geo-political considerations. Novorossiya, Donbass, Ukraine are complicated entities, made long ago and erupting since last year.
5. Don’t believe what you don’t find confirmation in fact, not tweets, FB or blog comments.
6. There are three Intel and Counter-Intel operations ongoing in Ukraine. SBU, CIA, FSB, and some MilIntel operations, and oligarchal mischief, criminal organizations.
7. There has never been one solid source better than Col.Cassad. He is ideological but realistic and authoritative. He never goes off half-cocked.
It has been 72 hours + since these rumors were carefully placed.
If change is coming, it will come. It will be from Russian power controlling the Donbass. They are not allowing any challenge to Putin’s plan.
Russia, I believe, has just begun issuing passports to the citizens of Donbass. Sounds interesting that someone would think Donbass is being sold out to Kiev. (Cassad says it hasn’t quite started yet.)
As for another Ukie offensive, unless Obama wants to break completing with Russia on the ME situation, he won’t authorize more war that everyone understands will be an enormous disaster leading to complete Right Sektor revolt and Army revolt.
And Obama has already been told by Putin that Russia and China and Iran will wipe out ISIS with or without US in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. There is no doubt about that. The Russian equipment is being forwarded for that. Iran and Iraq will supply the boots on the ground.
Everything in Ukraine is connected to other points of conflict between Russia, NATO, and the US.
That’s a bit of what you don’t get from the rumor millers.
Cassad has his daily update on the subject today. Fresh. None of this rumor stuff is correct.
And maybe Butler is back in Gorlovka. Not confirmed. But that would be very good. He’s a cruel dude, fearing no one.
Voentorg continues strong according to Cassad.
Use Yandex for Eng. Translation.
thanks Larchmonter…for the great update
Thanks, much appreciated. It sounded strange to me, but I couldn’t make out the details from the google translated Col. Cassad. I’ll give Yandex a try.
I’ve seen that too.I think we need more information on it.It would be a literally fatal mistake for the Russian government to betray Donbass.The return of thousands of battle-hardened angry Russian fighters to Russia would be the beginning of the end of the government that betrayed them.Any political leaders able to credibly claim that the current Russian government betrayed them would become the new leaders of Russia.We’ve seen it countless times in history.The loss of WWI for the Central Powers,the process of beginning to lose WWI for Russia,the Falkland’s War for Argentina.And countless other cases,ended the governments of those states.And in Russia it truly proved “fatal” for the leadership in power during WWI.In Russia the most important task of a government is the protection of Russia.And a significant portion of the population understands that a fascist regime persecuting fellow Russians next door to them is a threat to Russia herself.The perception that your government would allow that would be tantamount to saying that government was unworthy to rule in Russia. A very,very,bad position for the current government to get themselves into.Hopefully they understand that,and don’t get themselves in that “Tsar Nicholas” position.
DPR – Requiem meeting at MH17 crash site (Vox Populi Evo)
Not just in this independent talk, but in many another independent media conclusion is the same. The house of cards are started to falling down, they are still not falling apart as we would like to see, fast and reveling the truth, but it is falling.
It doesn’t matter how long they would like to prolong this agony, the time has come and it will be something very innocent which will reveal these false acclamations were just a fantasy like the Iraqi chemical story and of course 9/11.
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Word from Transcarpathia is not good for the future of “Ukraine” :
“A letter from a Rusyn of Transcarpathia: “Ukraine is a failed state!”
Rusyns have no relation to “zapadentsi” (Western Ukrainians) in the classic sense of the word, on the contrary, they have always been skeptical of the “Ukrainian state”:
“Hello, I am writing to you from a small town in Transcarpathia, to clarify the situation a bit about the processes happening and to tell you some things that will not make it to the media. In general we – Rusyns have old scores with Ukrainian nationalists, let’s take the 1991 referendum on national Rusyn autonomy, not recognized by Ukraine, there were other attempts to announce that we are a separate nation and don’t accept indiscriminate label of “Ukrainians,” they all met staunch resistance from then only emerging nationalist organizations in Western Ukraine.
As you can see the position of Rusyns is not much different from the position of Russians in Ukraine. In 2014 the confrontation reached its climax. Us, the people whom this country hated and despised, it wanted to send to an foreign war with the fraternal Russian people (whom the Rusyns have always warmly treated) for unclear to us interests. Then Rusyns first loudly declared about themselves, there have been a number of attacks on military commandant’s offices, the enlistment papers to the so-called “anti-terrorist operation zone” were burned, and our guys prepared for slaughter have been taken back from the Ukrainian butchers, that’s when the first “friendship train” of the Right Sector came to “deal with the traitors”, but met with resistance, pravoseki shamefully retreated (by the way no more call up papers came to us – it is a note to those who are also forced to go to this stupid war). As it turns out, they have not forgotten this…
Right Sector has long together with the local mafia was engaged in smuggling, the whole story is very simple, the mafia and pravoseki did not agree on splitting the profits from smuggled cigarettes. Now it has turned more serious, checkpoints sprung up on the roads with masked men without insignia, the local government is paralyzed and blocked by armed thugs, the police is idle. A VAST AREA is under control of not clear whom… Emerging anarchy is paying off, drunk militants walk the streets, harassing girls, robbing alcohol stores, beating people. It is scary to go outside!
According to rumors, they had already started to bring the weapons to Lvov, controlled by the Right Sector! And now pravoseki, remembering old grudges, begin to harass the Rusyns, promising us, the “Moscow agents,” outright genocide! We are in a desperate situation, some are already beginning to leave their homes! Ukraine brings only grief to all the peoples inhabiting it, it is a monster, I think everybody realized that this is a failed state and will never have a normal human appearance, Ukraine is bursting at the seams not only from the East, but from the West, therefore, Ukraine must be urgently disassembled before more blood and tears are shed!”
July 17, 2015
Translated by Kristina Rus
MOSCOW, July 17. /TASS/. “Almaz-Antey” is ready to conduct an experiment in which an anti-aircraft missile 938M1 will be launched next to a decommissioned Boeing, similar to the one which suffered a catastrophe over Ukraine a year ago.
The management of PVO “Almaz-Antey” reaffirms its willingness to conduct an experiment with the detonation of the warhead 9H314M of 9M38M1 missiles at the fuselage of a decommissioned plane, similar to the one that crashed on July 17, 2014 in the skies over Ukraine (flight MH17).
This is off topic, but I just would like to know the opinion if it is a legitimate site or just dragging money from the world population
The hopes of the whole world rose when the Greek people stood up to the senseless and devastating policy of austerity, but now Germany has forced their leaders to accept even worse austerity as punishment for their defiance! It’s up to us to make sure this isn’t over…
Germany’s Angela Merkel seems like a heartless, anti-democratic tyrant, but really she is doing what the majority of the German people want her to do, and what she believes is good for Europe. This is not good vs. evil, it’s good vs. stupid, the tragic story of one country’s misguided economic philosophy being inflicted on another.
Organised by Avaaz and backed by 500,000 Avaaz EU members, 5 of the world’s leading economists, including Thomas Piketty, Jeffrey Sachs and a top German economist, came out against Merkel’s approach in an open letter that was all over Germany’s biggest media last week. It’s this kind of work, steadily shifting the prevailing economic view in Germany, that has the most promise to eventually liberate Greece from austerity.
The Greeks are facing a bleak future, and unless we speak out, the austerity madness will spread. Let’s create a massive education and advocacy campaign to shift German and EU public and elite opinion on austerity, and send the people of Greece a message: this isn’t over, and you are not alone.
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The new bailout agreement is not the end of the story. This agreement will have further punishing effects on the Greek people, and fresh news of rising child poverty and other outrages will prick the conscience of the world. Germany’s opponents, such as France and Italy, and even the IMF, have pushed for smart debt restructuring or relief that could offer the Greeks hope. With over 16 million members in Europe, our community is perfectly positioned to campaign effectively, and win.
The liberate Greece campaign would allow the following actions and tactics:
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For many years, the United States was the world’s chief evangelist of austerity, and used the IMF to push devastating policies on much of Latin America and Africa. The debt crisis of the 80’s, and the IMF’s response, led to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people and massive increases in poverty. The US has finally learned its lesson, and is now pleading with Germany to do the same. Angela Merkel and those who believe in austerity are not bad people, they’re just wrong, and we can help them see it, with just a small contribution from each of us — click to help make it happen:
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Austerity Has Failed: An Open Letter From Thomas Piketty to Angela Merkel (The Nation)
Greek bailout: Angela Merkel accused of blackmailing Athens (The Guardian)
Greek government faces massive austerity package amid popular backlash at Germany’s €50bn ‘coup’ (The Independent)
Splits widen in Merkel’s coalition over proposals for Greek economic reforms (The Guardian)
55% of Germans support Merkel on Greece (Poll)
“Oxi”: A historic Greek vote against austerity (New Yorker)
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I would never support with my signature or my money any letter or initiative signed/ promoted by Jeffrey Sachs, which was precisely who applied these policies previously in Latin America, Poland and the former USSR . He was the executive arm of the “Shock Doctrine” and has now joke that seeks to promote an initiative to make visible the millions of innocents who have been sent to misery by austerity policies and slavery through debt imposed by the Troika and the IMF. This individual also has blood-stained hands, mainly from Latinamerican and Soviet citizens who were wiped out, sent to the misery and plundered at will. There is no really enough soap in the world to clean them, and will not get adhering to this letter/ initiative. Someday will have to answer in court, he and some other “economists”.
Well said elso. Sachs is an evil ‘economic hit-man’, and Avaaz is Soros-need one say anything more? A sinister, secretive, duplicitous, Zionazi Trojan Horse.
Wikipedia has a slightly-more-positive than neutral article on the organization, while Global Research has a very critical article:
Q; Avaaz.org is a 41-million-person global campaign…
R: If each member would donate $1, the problem would be solved.
@Daniel Rich 4:45
Interesting analysis of the US Empire’s control over its vassals. Particularly interesting for me because it mirrors the arrangement I thought years ago was the situation inside the US.That we had a system of Lords,Knights,and Serfs as well inside our social system (BTW most of us here fit the third category ):
“Lords and Vassals: A quick update on America’s Empire”
I tend to be somewhat bullish on the more optimistic assessments of the current Kremlin strategy, for example the comparison to the Punic Wars and the delaying tactics of Fabius Maximus Cunctator, because it is a strategy that takes into account the weaknesses of the US-centric world order.
I frequently see comments under my posts arguing that the EU is basically a feudal fiefdom of the United States. That’s fine as far as it goes, however, once you introduce that idea, you should also examine its implications. Because the lord-vassal relationship is not and has never been one of unconditional obedience. It is rather a social contract with mutual duties and responsibilities. The vassal’s loyalty is conditional on a variety of services, starting with protection and ending with opportunities for enrichment. If you, as the lord, fail to organize one or both, your vassals will leave you. Therefore a strategy that targets the lord’s capacity for delivering rewards to the vassals happens to strike at that realm’s Achilles heel.
America’s relationship with its “allies” can in fact be characterized as a collection of feudal relationships, with the nature of the relationship being very much dependent on the power of the vassals. There are in fact several categories of vassals. Category I includes countries like UK and Israel which actually enjoy a pretty privileged relationship. And yes, J.Hawk has heard of AIPAC–it’s a major component of Israel’s power which enables this tiny country to enjoy the privileged relationship it does, really, Category I with perks–but it’s still a vassal because on matters which really matter to the US, the US calls the shots, not Israel. Consider, for example, how Israel has timed campaigns against Gaza in order to avoid embarrassing US presidents–in other words, it knows its (privileged but subordinate) place. Thus, for example, UK intel services are practically an extension of the NSA (on equal rights), the US doesn’t read the British PM’s emails, and it does not set up CIA “black sites” on its soil. Category II: Germany, France, Italy, etc. Hold intel services at arms length, read leaders’ email, but no black sites. Category III: Poland, Ukraine, lots and lots of others. Treat like dirt, spy on leaders, set up black sites. Here, you are basically part of the fodder for Cat I and II vassals. There’s also a Category IV (which, frankly, Ukraine is on the brink of joining), where the US basically takes sides in a civil war raging on that country’s territory. But in any event, it’s clear that the more powerful vassals can establish lines that the lord can’t cross.
Furthermore, the more important the vassal, the greater the amount of spoils the lord has to have fall off his table. So UK gets the F-35 source codes, Israel gets billions of dollars of US weapons, Germany gets to cooperate with the US in advanced weapon development, Poland gets some used F-16s. This inequality of treatment is, incidentally, a source of considerable chagrin among Poland’s elites who aspire to Category I treatment, but don’t know how to make that “civilizational jump.” I get a distinct impression Ukraine’s post-Maidan elite is…disappointed…with the lowly Category III vassal status it was assigned. I suspect they were thinking “we’re gonna be just like Israel!”, forgetting for a moment that Israel, aside from having an ability to directly influence domestic US political process, is also genuinely useful as an ally to the US. The combination of these two factors accounts for Israel’s “favorite son” status. Ukraine has neither of these factors going for it, so it’s relegated to the doghouse.
Speaking of Ukraine. Whether it likes it or not, consistent with Category III vassal role as fodder to states higher on the food chain, Ukraine was supposed to be part of the feudal reward scheme. It was supposed to be the Ukrainian railroads, Ukrainian coalmines that were supposed to be taken over by German (and, to a lesser extent, Polish) interests. Well, that ship not only has sailed, it was blown up by a Russian torpedo and is now resting in a very deep part of the ocean. So what is Germany to do? One thing it can do is cannibalize another lower category vassal which is not as important to the US as Germany itself is. So now it’s Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and, yes, Poland on the chopping block. Hannibal’s armies, unable to despoil Roman provinces, are reduced to despoiling the provinces of its allies who were attracted by the prospect of a victorious march on Rome. What’s worse, Hannibal’s allies are actually starting with one another, so that he now has his hands full trying to keep various components of his vast army from killing one another. In the final account, what happened to Hannibal’s diverse and ally-heavy army as a result of this turn of events is a lot like what is happening in the relationship that America has with its lesser and greater vassals (though note that in most Polish articles Germany’s power magnified by its proximity is such that it eclipses America’s superior but more distant power) as well as in the relationship among the vassals. Notice the rather futile US effort to get Germany to go easy on Greece.
How does the feudal lord and/or the more powerful of its vassals respond? There are many options. You can always do something desperate (and lose, because “something desperate” usually means fighting under unfavorable conditions). You can seek accommodation with your adversary. You can look for an easier source of spoils. Or you can simply abdicate your feudal lord’s obligations since you can no longer meet them. US foreign policy is right now at a crossroads. Looking at the various US political candidates, it’s clear they are exploring various combinations of the above options. We are also seeing greater and lesser vassals exploring various ways of returning to Russia’s good graces. But that’s a topic for a separate article.
Anonymous’ roll call of media outlets (above) decrying Germany’s treatment of Greece is the Zempire letting its German vassal know its displeasure.
Germany was allowed to create a stealth mini-empire within the Zempire because it reduced the Zempire’s management load, but attacking a fellow vassal in a critical part of the Empire is a bridge too far. Germany risked sending Greece it into the waiting arms of Eurasia. Fear not, the Castle is onto them, and they’re getting their wings clipped.
Actually, Nuland the Nazgul told them once already, when they got too big for their britches in Ukraine, but the Germans pretended they didn’t understand.
A bit off topic, but will someone please translate, as a summary, what is being said; is it possible that these peoples’ voices recordered are enemy spotters, having called in artillery on residential blocks of flats??? (Just over 7 mins):
“Leaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed on Assad’s regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country.
A report released on Monday contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence where a scheme ‘approved by Washington’ is outlined explaining that Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons.
Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.
It reads: ‘Phil… We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
‘We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
‘They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
‘Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
‘Kind regards, David.’
The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumés and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.”
wherever is the dirt-you will see the dirty hands of english nation. without fail.
Why were the English-the arch enemies of Russia and main accuser of Russia in drowning of Malaysian airline-allowed to pick up the black box and then sit on it for 7 weeks? what if the Russians had done the same ?
BBC Russia ditched or edited out sections of their TV coverage (the original is still on YouTube though), when interviewing local residents near the crash site….each person categorically mentioned seeing or hearing another Jet close by….and when the Airliner started falling out of the sky, that Jet turned around and left that area.
What kind of investigation is this? I find it truly amazing that after 3 months, the Dutch and Australian investigators have not gathered all the Aircraft debris and re-constructed the aircraft for their forensic scientists to analyse.
This normally happens after Aircraft crashes, as much of the aircraft is placed together like a jigsaw puzzle. Instead all the Aircraft debris still lying in these open fields. Maybe the Dutch & Australian investigators already know the Ukrainian Air Force shot down MH17….and it would be waste of time collecting all those pieces.
One of the most noticeable features of the Western MSM over time has been the increasing hysteria and deranged abusiveness of the insects that infest it and produce the hate-propaganda and lies that is their main product. In this country the Murdoch cancer controls 70% or so, and the bias, bigotry and hatred is 100%-the true meaning of ‘Free Press’ and ‘Je Suis Charlie’.
Hence the anniversary of the MH17 disaster has been the excuse for truly deranged anti-Russia, anti-Putin hatemongering. They all look over their shoulders, mentally, to see if Rupert, a Devil Incarnate, approves, so the ferocity only ever increases. In the rest of the MSM the bias is the same, the Free Press always speaking with 100% Groupthink, but the hysteria is, usually, less. This week, however the hate spread far and wide. The hacks at the ABC, Government controlled but under ferocious attack from the far Right Abbott regime and the Murdoch cancer, were viciously propagandistic, one scum-bag even talking of locals where the plane crashed, and who had retained pieces of debris, as showing off their ‘trophies’, as if these people somehow were celebrating the disaster. As I said, the presstitutes here are, nowadays, universally scum-bags.
One other aspect that stands out is the sheer satanic hypocrisy of these vermin. For one example, you have the Murdoch metastases screaming blue murder over these deaths, but one year ago, as the Israelis slaughtered 2000 in Gaza, including 500 children, the same vermin were urging Israel on and vilifying the victims. And, naturally, the victims of the Ukrainian Nazi regime, in the Odessa massacre and elsewhere in eastern Ukraine, are NEVER mentioned. They have gone straight down the Memory Hole.
The “don” enforcing the “western free press” regimen:
Israel Closes Palestinian TV Station for 6 Months to ‘Protect Sovereignty’
Israel has closed a Palestine-funded TV station in the country for six months in order to protect Israel’s “sovereignty,” Israeli Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Saturday.
‘Je Suis Charlie’ is for Zionazi hate-mongers only. And don’t expect the vermin/slaves of the Zionazi controlled Western ‘Free Press’ to even mention this obscenity, let alone criticise it. Their well-paid jobs and ‘careers’ as toadying stooges depend on it.
It seems Poroshenko has ordered airstrikes on the RS in the mountains of Transcarpathia near the Slovak and Polish borders.I’m not sure what will come of it.But that doesn’t sound good for “European Value’s” in West Ukraine.There was also a rally (small so far) in Lvov demanding autonomy for that region.
Democracy and the Restoration of Cuba-US Diplomatic Relations
The re-establishment of diplomatic relations between Cuba and the US and the opening of embassies in Havana and Washington, DC is a victory for Cuba. Negotiations between the two countries had been taking place secretly for 18 months before being made public on December 17, 2014. On July 1, 2015, the agreement was sealed through the announcement of a formal opening date of July 20 for the embassies. It is important to note that over the course of this two-year process, Cuba has not given up its principles. Two primary examples of Cuba sticking to its precepts pertain to the contentious issues of democracy/human rights and of Venezuela.
Oooops! I guess the RS isn’t happy with Poroshenko bombing them:
‘Last fight’? Ukraine nationalist leader calls on army, National Guard to stop obeying Kiev”
Some yellow journalism for you. Any doubt about the messaging?:
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Inquiry closes in on cause, suspects
“That group is pulling together significant evidence on one dominant theory: “That there was a BUK rocket fired from the eastern part of Ukraine, the theory in which we have the most evidence,” says Fred Westerbeke, the Dutch chief prosecutor.
That conclusion is not a surprise — the U.S. said from the outset that it was a Russian-built BUK surface-to-air missile that brought down the airliner. So did Ukraine. But Westerbeke’s team has to prove these allegations in a court”
It seems Fred Westerbeke has received his instructions and has decided the verdict. The judge too perhaps?
I wouldn’t expect any truthful result from any those scads. Their trousers are down about their ankles and there is a $1 bill between their teeth.
why all the pretence MH17 has got CIA-MOSSAD written all over it like all the other Malaysian airplanes were all targeted by MOSSAD because the were found guilty by a MALAYSIAN international court of war crimes and they don’t like it, I don’t think that it needs to be repeated that AMERICA,BRITAIN and ISRAEL make up the worldwide terrorist network and it’s called ABI, so we all know that 99% per cent of all sabotage and false flag operations are carried out by this NETWORK, so don’t look anywhere else, so wherever it is or whatever it is just say ABI done it and there is an only 1% per cent chance that you are wrong.
A lot of the MH17 shootdown story is starting to come together with the Ukraine ground crew witness, the plane spotter, and the transcript of the recent video all confirming the same story.
Still important sections missing though. Although the plane spotter was watching MH17 and the SU-25, he did not see the actual attack. No missile exhaust trails, no explosions.
He did hear three explosions and was very definite about that.
For the SU-25 to be armed with air to air missiles the attack was pre-planned as a false flag rather than mistake.
That means MH17 had to be destroyed before the crew could radio a mayday and say they were under attack from a military aircraft. Can a ground attack aircraft like the SU-25 be 100% certain of doing this.
In the report on Israeli missiles, it says that the holes were 8mm, yet from the photos of the cockpit, comparing the shrapnel holes to the rivet heads (6-8mm?), the shrapnel holes range from 6mm to about 30mm.
The holes in the engine cowling are larger, as are the holes in the fuselage inboard of the engine. Heat seeker missile?
According to the earlier Dutch report, cloud cover at 12.00 UTC (3hours earlier) varied from 3/8 to 8/8.
From the 12.00 UTC sat photo of cloud cover, the area to the south and southwest had heavy cloud down to a thousand feet with light rain. Very poor visibility at that time in the area of a possible missile launch.
Was Zakharchenko where the Russian presentation located 2 BUK launchers at that time inhabited?
No witnesses puts a big hole in my thought that a BUK system was involved, but there are still holes that need to be filled in all theories on the shoot down.
Somewhat OT but having some relevancy is Glenn Greenwald’s dissection of the attack on Imperial recruiting stations in Chattanooga and it being called an act of terrorism instead of an act of war, https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/17/can-attacking-military-sites-nation-war-terrorism/
Remember, the attack on the USS Cole was deemed terrorism instead of an act of war, which it was most certainly. Was the shoot-down of MH17 terrorism or an act of war?.
Nobody’s mentioned him here, so I thought to bring Carlos the Spanish Air Traffic Controller at Borispol airport back. His series of real-time tweets as MH 17 went down are as close as we get to what was happening in the Tower. Lots of people tried to “debunk” him, but none successfully that I’ve seen. He’s since disappeared.
I read another theory recently, and I can’t find it again (not easy to do searches from my location). This theory says there were 2 Georgian SU-25s in Dnepropetrovsk at that time. Both of these had been upgraded in Israel with pressurized cockpits and Israeli missile systems. Perhaps someone would like to do some searches and see what turns up?
somebody put a curse on malaysia ?
Malaysia Airlines’ woes continue: MH148 makes emergency landing in Melbourne
8 March 2014
mh370 *disappeared* in thin air, 227 passengers missing,
90% were chinese citizens.
malaysia , which had been traditionaly friendly to china, got into bitter reciminations with beijing.
17 July 2014
less than six mths later came another air disaster, mh17,
the unitedsnake lost no time in blaming russia for the tragedy,
without producing a single shred of credible evidence as ususal.
one stone killing two birds ?
in quick succession
28 December 2014
another malaysian airline , airasia suffered its first fatal *accident* in its 18
April 04 2015 11:10 AM EDT
Malaysia Helicopter Crash: Six, Including Former Ambassador To US, Among Dead
A witness to the crash claimed to see the helicopter “explode” while in the air in rainy conditions, according to the Star Online in Malaysia, according to Astro Awani in Malaysia.
a ritcher scale 7 quake hit malaysia’s sabah province,
destructive earthquakes in easternmost Malaysia are rare,
malaysia’s buildings are generally not built to specifically handle earthquakes as there are no “significant” or “strong” earthquakes here, unlike in regional neighbours Japan, Philippines or Indonesia, …..
REF DENK, not someone put a curse on MALAYSIA AIRLINES, JUST ISRAELI MOSSAD, please look at the obvious, Israel found guilty of war crimes in a Malaysian court of law, and just look at their record they are nothing but a bunch of war mongering bitches, 911,LONDON TRANSPORT BOMBMINGS, CHARLIE HEBDO, THE TUNISIAN HOLIDAY RESORT, just name it and they done it,and look at their leader NETENYAHU he is like a child with a broken toy, he is doing his best to get world war three started but he is not having much luck, but he is getting a lot of help from the CIA,DHS,MI5,MI6,NSA, and they make up one hell of a worldwide terrorist network.
we can prove mathematically these aint no accidents …
the fundamental rule of probability states
*once is accident, twice coincidence, thrice…..enemy action*
but who’r the enemy ?
pm najib commenting on mh370 and the subsequent kidnapping of chinese nationals in sabah,
*somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet china and malaysia*
good thinking, thats exactly my first thought the moment i heard a malaysian airliner with 200+ chinese nationals went *missing*.
for those not familiar with asian geopolitics, here’s a clue…
*Located on the geostrategic Malacca Strait, Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim oil-producing nation with a “Look East” policy allying itself with Japan and China. Last year the Malaysian and Chinese governments established an economic alliance, which includes Asian access to world oil reserves. In the eyes of Washington and its allies, these are sufficient grounds to treat Kuala Lumpur as an adversary.*
What was the motive for shooting down the MH17. Maybe it wasn’t a false flag. There could be a deeper strategic motive. This site posts a theory I haven’t seen. Kind of interesting.
kl is being flogged for refusing to join the anti chinese posse, aka asian nato.
this is also payback for its war crime tribunal *insolence*.
looks like the zwo aims to keep it coming fast and furious until kl bent to its dictat,
there’r signs that kl is gradually yielding.
fukus always aim for the biggest bang per buck for every black op/ ff,
*mh17 also targets moscow, a smear job.
*mh370 a despicable bid to sow discord bet kl and beijing,
possibly involved high tech industrial espionage, 
soros might be exacting his pound of flesh as well. 
FOR CURIOUS, you do have a good point there, and regarding the article by YOICHI SHIMATSU about an earlier Malaysian flight that many thought landed on the island of DIEGO GARCIA, and it is an excellent article and has a lot of credibility, but there is something that struck me as very suspicious is that five of the missing passengers were a group the had a joint venture with one member of the ROCKERFELLER FAMILY, who stands to gain all of it as the only surviving member of the group.
the assault is multifacet and coming fast and furious,
cia’s *mighty wurlitzer* is firing on all cylinders,
*they* want regime change in malaysia pronto !
in malaysia, two robbery cum attacks by bumiputras on ethnic chinese in a week, followed by another brawl on the street.
calls for jihad against the infidels saturated the social media.
fukus wanna see a kl-beijing split so bad, to help it along the sobs are working overtime to forment ethnic hatred at the glass root level.
this aint ot, the series of assaults mh370, mh17 etc targets malasia, moscow and beijing.
uighurs violence against hans in china is escalating,
recently chinese in turkey also came under attack .
this week, a spate of assaults on ethnic chinese by the majority muslims exploded in malaysia out of the blue.
social medium rattle with hateful racist rants urging a fatwa against the minority chinese.
the first rule of probability says,
+once is accident, twice is coincidence, thrice…..enemy action+
after the mh370 *disappearance*,
chinese accusation of kl’s incompetence angered the malaysians who
figured they’d already done their best , a bitter recrimination ensued and
the sino/malaysian relation went down a notch.
much to the delight of the fukus agent provocateurs.
the current attacks on ethnic chinese in malaysia stinks to high heaven.
this’d no doubt put more strain on the kl/beijing relation and pile pressure on the
beleaguered pm najib, who’s already reeling from the strings of air *accidents*, flash floods, earth quake and the the wsj spearheaded media campaign.
this aint no ot,
kl, moscow, beijing are currently collectively under fukus attack
was the rare earthquake that hit malaysia’s sabah a *freak accident*,
was it, god forbid, eco terrorism…..is there such a thing as man made earth quake ?
was the sars, ebola, mers *pandemic* bio terrorism ?
get it from the horse mouth,
sec of offense william cohen, 1997
* There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least.
Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops.
Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. *
*some countries* manufacturing ebola bio weapon, while *others* engaging even in eco terrorism ?
im sure the unitedsnake would never do such horrible stuff, hehehehe !
that was 1997