I won’t even bother repeating it all here, those who are interested in my views of this entire Charlie Hebdo canard can read my article “I am NOT Charlie” here: https://thesaker.is/i-am-not-charlie/
No, what I want to do is to ask a simple question: do you think the French leaders are simply stupid, suicidal or naive? I submit that they neither stupid, nor suicidal nor naive. In fact, they are using a well practiced technique which goes with some variation of this:
- Infiltrate some pseudo-Islamic gang of cutthroats (literally!)
- Keep them under close scrutiny ostensibly for counter-terrorism purposes
- Inside the group, try to promote your confidential informers
- Have your analysts work on the following question: “how could we best provoke these nutcases into a bloody terrorist act?“
- Once the plan is decided, simply execute it, say by organizing the posting fantastically offensive caricatures
- Once the cutthroats strike, blame Islam and double down
- By then, you have infuriated most of the immense Muslim world out there and you can rest assured that the process is launched and will continue on its own. You can now relax and get the pop-corn
- Have your propaganda machine declare that Islam is incompatible with western civilization (whatever that means in 2020, both Descartes and Conchita Wurst I suppose…)
- Shed some crocodile tears when the cutthroats murder some completely innocent Christian bystander
- And announce a new crusade against “Islamism” (also a vague and, frankly, meaningless term!) and crack down on true Muslim communities and ideas while continuing to lovingly arm, train, finance and direct the “good terrorists” who have now become your own, personal, cutthroats.
Anybody who knows anything about the political realities in France will immediately know in whose interests this all is and who is behind that: the Zionist power structure in France (CRIF, UEJF, etc. and the Israelis). They have a total control over Macron and over the entire political class, very much including Marine LePen.
Who else could have concocted the “beautiful” term “Islamo-Fascisme“?!
This is a new phenomenon, a new ideology and a new strategy, which Alain Soral calls “National Zionism” which I discussed in some details here: https://thesaker.is/the-great-fraud-of-national-zionism/.
In its inception (from Ahad Ha’am, Theodor Herzl, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, etc) Zionism used to be a largely secular and nationalistic, then, later, after WWII, it became very leftist and still secular ( Ben-Gurion, Shlomo Lavi, Golda Meir). Modern Zionism, however, is both rabidly racist and religious – the perfect example would be US neocons. It is also a ruthless and genocidal ideology which has created something truly original: God-mandated racism, something which, as far as I know, no other religion professes (so much for the ignorant and, frankly, plain stupid notions of “Abrahamic religions” or, even worse, “Judeo-Christian values”!). National Zionism is the next phase of Zionism – it is rabidly “conservative” (in a Neocon sense only, of course!) and it parasitically feeds on whatever nationalist ideology the local patriotic goyim are inclined towards (the best example of that being the so-called “Christian Zionists” in the USA).
But here is the demonic “beauty” of it all: in a society like the French one, the Zionists don’t even need to micromanage their false flags: given enough uneducated and murderous pseudo-Muslim cutthroats and enough rabid secularists wanted to offend the faithful – some kind of violent explosion will *inevitably* happen!
Right now, between the embarrassing Yellow Vests movement, the crumbling economy, the massive influx, wave after wave, of unwanted and un-adaptable immigrants and the resulting social tensions, the French regime is in deep trouble. Add to this the COVID pandemic which just added to the chaos and anger and finish with a total lack of foreign policy successes and you will immediately see why this regime badly needed what could be called a “patriotic reaction”.
Finally, there is the time-proven method of scaring your own population into a state of catatonic acceptance of everything and anything in the name of “security”.
We see it all in France today, we saw it in the UK before, and also in Belgium. And, rest assured, we will see much more such massacres in the future. The only way to really stop these “terrorist” attacks is to show their sponsors that we know who they are and we understand what they are doing. Short of this, these attacks will continue.
Muslims always have been killing infidels during History, they don’t do more nowadays because they are weaker.
Muslim apologists like you will not change the reality or behavious of muslims, I thought the joy of muslims converting Hagia Sophia into a mosque again would open your eyes.
Christians should not support zios nor muslims, we should start supporting ourselves.
Extremist sects of all religions & ideologies have been mass murdering throughout history. Ideology provides the blinders to morally distance oneself from the cruelly taking a brother’s or sister’s life.
The current culprits:
* Bibi and the Zionist (armored) bulldozers
* Pompeo and the Evangelical barbarians
* The Wahhabi butchers of House Saud
* Erdogan’s Ottoman hornets’ nest
To name but a few…
You are absolutely correct. But I would take that further: the root cause of all evil and violence is our fallen human nature. So you can take Rousseau’s “good savage’ and make him a Christian, a Buddhist, a Muslim, convert him to Communism, Liberalism, Capitalism or Jain style nonviolence. UNLESS we begin resisting our *natural* tendencies, which are NOT “healthy” at all, but deeply pathological, men will be men and men will murder each other.
Yes, secular ideologies make things much worse. As do heresies. But the root cause of it is our nature and this is why we should NEVER trust ANY ideology or religion to bring heaven on earth with milk and honey. That will never happen on this sinful planet.
God’s kingdom, and our salvation, are not of this world.
My $0.02 from a “secular” worldview:
“God’s kingdom, and our salvation, are not of this world.”
I concur that our salvation as humans cannot be found in a merely human world, for we are individually helpless against our mortality and the insurmountable siege of time and entropy. We must dream beyond the bounds of human consciousness. God is often a used as a symbol for that inimitable higher consciousness.
Transhumanism is popularly equated in the West either with the development of utopian human cybernetics, or the development of an inhuman, dystopian “technological singularity” or “Borg”. There is clearly a individualist worldview underlying both these futurisms and they are popular among libertarian Silicon Valley billionaires and their cults.
Less popular but far more salient is the transhumanist theory of the “noosphere” (planetary consciousness) which follows the development of the biosphere upon the geosphere. Noosphere was ostensibly coined by the Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in 1922, one year after the formation of the USSR. The great Soviet biogeochemist Vladimir Vernadsky took the concept and popularized it.
The noosphere is already here, albeit in a primitive form. We call it “the Internet”. There are nearly 8 billion humans on Earth, a subset of which have deployed over 20 billion internet devices. The human brain happens to have 86 billion neurons, 16 billion residing in the cerebral cortex. Clearly, the Internet as a whole is on the scale of human neural complexity by this awfully rough estimate–and will rapidly surpass it at the current rate.
Just as we are composites of cells and neurons and other little forms of conscious matter, we have begun to compose the next stage of consciousness on a planetary scale.
What does this mean for us? Will we lose our human individuality? Absolutely not. On the contrary, the trillions of cells in our body live in great harmony with each other. They live and die–they have lives. Occasionally, a disease or cancer takes hold, and is fought. A particular strain of cancerous cells thinks it is better than others and is destined to spread. Is it any wonder that the most Westernized countries have dramatically higher rates of this still-mysterious disease? [2017 survey: 5.5% in USA vs. 1.5% in China]
Jurgen, there are also nutritional factors behind the higher rates of some cancers in “the Western Lifestyle”: for instance the introduction of white bread led to increased stomach cancer in Africa; Western style over-eating led to an increase in breast cancer in India. Not to mention the plague of cheap carbohydrates (diabetes), cheap cigarettes (lung cancer and thrombosis); plus the transhuman affliction of cheap transport (poor blood circulation) and cheap computers (sedentary posture and backache).
But all this is far from the Saker’s theme: the bad trajectory of public life in France, its cause, and is there a cure.
I appreciate your insightful note. I merely point out the coincidence that a culture that is socially cancerous appears to correlate with real rates of human cancer. Diet, etc are all components of that culture.
A follow up the thesis jürgen mentioned is an astounding and cutting edge podcast that follows the link between molecular biology and computer scince and its relationship to medical intervention to prevent disease. It required a lot of brain power to watch and understand but you should get the drift. At the end they discuss human beings living to 125-150 years without hesitation – as the future! Saker’s prognosis notwithstanding in the minds of the two men.
Manolis Kellis: Biology of Disease | Lex Fridman Podcast #133
I watched it again and I am even more stunned. Five ways to intervene to stop obesity. Attack cancer at the genome level. Prevernt harmful bacteria by introducing memory strands of DNA. (covid). Biology reduced to one system that explains and converts 3 billion variations of disease genomes or pathways into an interverntion. Alzheimers and schizophrenia explained by an active chemical protein carrier and much more. Look at the second half if you dare. I know this seems to have little to do with the Sakers post yet I think it is important in the larger scheme of things somewhat like when Einstein’s development nuclear fusion made an impact.
Je suis quite d’accord Jürgen.
But there’s nothing mysterious about the differences in cancer rates. A mere difference in vitamin d blood levels or deficiencies explains all or most of that. The lifestyle of north Americans clearly shows us why they’re more vitamin d deficient than the Chinese population. They live and work indoors, shop in malls, travel in cars and subways, and are fully protected by sun screen when they finally spend some time in a park or on the beach. And then there’s the terribly vitamin and mineral depleted food Americans are stuffing their faces with…
“UNLESS we begin resisting our *natural* tendencies, which are NOT “healthy” at all, but deeply pathological, men will be men and men will murder each other.”
Pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth, come to mind as our destructive natural tendencies, which the Zionist media endorses as healthy and good.
Surely there is some conspiracy when the media tells me that bad things are good?
the Saker did not put up my post but I don’t mind. it paled in comparison to some of the contributions here which makes me love this thread so far. the contributions here are much more valuable to me, than my contribution would have been, which for that reason is better not being here…too critical and off-topic
my concern is the future of humanity and that there must be social change that addresses our human future in the most positive manner available. that cannot be led by the Zionists who are collectively the Devil itself, but by ordinary humanity in full revolutionary tide, sweeping away the minority dominated old and current exploitative reality, into new collective ways of addressing the question of indefinite human survival in nature.
some ideas and leads I have seen here are terrific, just the sort of thinking, ideas I find useful and contributory. I don’t think the Saker is concerned about my contributions, prolly seeing them as of low value. but I am here to learn and this board is a solid resource
It always amazes me how totally ignorant people can be. Stupid too.
Your comment is a perfect, and very depressing, example of that.
How sad, really.
PS: the mods should not have allowed this comment to pass, I apologize to my Muslim friends for this, but I want to leave it here as an illustration of what a terminally brainwashed National Zionist sounds like.
For once I agree. No one who has been in extensive contact with Muslims would ever express himself the way the OP does.
oh but it is worse than that!
not only does this ignoramous clearly not know modern Islam, he knows nothing about Islamic history (well, other than a list of massacres found on anti-Islam or some equally hopeless website).
There are these “Christians” out there who feel that they need to project their own piety by hating other religions, preferably by being ignorant about them…
that too is very human, of course, but also really discouraging…
I am afraid that Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks (nor the French for that matter) did not find about their massacres from ‘anti-Islam or some equally hopeless website’. The Muslim chroniclers are not shy in showing their satisfaction at the number of ‘infidels’ slain by the ‘faithful’. Nor that they ‘projected’ their hate of ‘other religions’ on those who beheaded, crucified, burned alive them.
What about the Armenians and Assyrians that fled the massacre and came to Iran and have been living here in peace ever since?
What about the Iranians who gave their lives to defeat ISIS?
There’s too many trolls on this thread, in my opinion.
You all don’t like Muslims? Well, congratulations. The Zionist media is handing out this year’s prizes for the brainwashed idiot of the year awards in the Muslim-haters category, and you’ve all won!
Anti-Islamic propaganda has become so tired and cliche, all I can muster up is a deep yawn. Can you please stop boring us?
Anonymous, can you honestly not think of something more interesting to write about? I’m embarrassed, for you.
I thought the Armenians were genocided by a bunch of Donmeh Jews. What do you know that I do not know?
It was the the Young Turks (3 Pashas) who ordered the genocides (1913- 1915) and yes they were apparently Donmeh (turncoat jews). This has been hidden. Very little info about this.
However: before the Donmeh took power there was of course the Sultan and he was definitely Muslim. Under Sultan rule, the Ottomans waged war and persecuted Christians, implemented the “devirshme” system, stole their children etc.
We can discuss whether or not the Ottomans acted according to their faith and they probably did not. Unfortunately this particular topic “Ottomanist Islam” has elicited a hysterical reaction by some commentators in previous section (nobody here on this particular thread thankfully!). Emotions are already running high so this topic is perhaps best left for another day.
Of course, the ‘Donmeh’ mantra couldn’t wait to be heard. One may wonder nevertheless how ‘Donmeh’ was Sultan Abdul Hamid II. The ‘Hamidian massacres’ happened in 1894-1896 and were carried on by the ‘Hamidiye Alaylari’ (“Hamidian Regiments”) made up mainly of Kurdish bandits and Turks, Yöruk, Arabs, Turkmens and Circassians, directed specifically at Armenians who were “striking at Islam”.
It is true that Theodor Herzl responded to Abdul Hamid’s personal request to harness “Jewish power” in order to undermine the widespread sympathy felt for Armenians in Europe. Through his contacts, favorable impressions of the empire were published in a number of European newspapers and magazines, while Herzl himself attempted unsuccessfully to mediate between the Sultan and Armenian party activists in France, Britain, Austria and elsewhere. Herzl acknowledged that the arrangement with the Abdul Hamid was temporary and his services were in exchange for bringing about a more favorable Ottoman attitude toward Zionism. “Under no circumstances,” he wrote, “are the Armenians to learn that we want to use them in order to erect a Jewish state.” But that doesn’t mean that the Zionist occultly orchestrated the massacres.
More disgusting was Wilhelmian Germany’s ‘Islamic enthusiasm’ born during (actually before) the Kaiser’s first visit to the Ottoman Empire in 1889, against the opposition of Bismarck, worried that it would gratuitously alarm the Russians. That it was not gratuitous but deliberate, became clear during his second visit to the Ottoman Empire in 1898, when he visited Jerusalem declaring: “My personal feeling in leaving the holy city,” he wrote to his cousin the Tsar, “was that I felt profoundly ashamed before the Moslems and that if I had come there without any Religion at all I certainly would have turned Mahommetan!” It was a deliberate insult to the Tsar, notwithstanding their cousinage. He visited Damascus, where at the grave of legendary Sultan Saladin he promised “the 300 million Muslims spread across the world” that “the German kaiser will at all times be their friend.”
Little is known that behind the Germany’s enthusiasm for Islam was the archaeologist and diplomat Baron Max von Oppenheim (yes, a scion of the famous German Jewish banking family – still among the 30 richest families in Germany!). His archaeological activity was a cover for less kosher activities which earned him the title of ‘”master spy of the Kaiser”. Among them inciting pan-Islamic jihadi massacres of Europeans and of plotting with anti-French Algerian, and anti-Italian Tripolitan, rebels. At the beginning of the war he presented to the Kaiser a “Memorandum on revolutionizing the Islamic territories of our enemies” (the enemies being obviously Russia, Britain and France) and was promoted the head of the ‘Nachrichtenstelle für den Orient (Intelligence Bureau for the East). In late 1915, British High Commissioner in Cairo Henry McMahon claimed in a report that Oppenheim had been making speeches in mosques approving of the massacre of Armenians initiated by the Young Turk government earlier that year. Oppenheim was credited with being the one who came up with the dual approach to fighting the British and French: through regular troops and by encouraging uprisings by the masses in the name of Islam. Some among the Arabs reportedly referred to Oppenheim as Abu Jihad (“Father of Holy War”). He was, as expected, a versatile person. The Nazis did not trouble him in any way, he continued his research presenting his discoveries in Mesopotamia as ‘Aryan’, and continuing to write memoranda on Middle Eastern strategic policies. Hence the continuous dalliance of Germany with Islam.
Very true, before the Young Turks and Ataturk after them, Sultan Hamid was already massacring the Armenians and Greeks in the Ottoman Empire.
True Muslims, just like true Christians, are good people.
Mod: Nasty comment violated Moderation Rule #2 and was deleted.
Regarding the history of Islam, may I once again highly recommend
Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes, by Tamim Ansary.
This book is much more than the title suggests. Ansary also clearly shows how differing world-views clashed, and how the views of opposoing views interacted, sometimes resulting in synthesis and accommodation and sometimes resulting in greater conflict.
Anyone (and I ahve seen this recently) bloviating about how the West created the Renaissance, etc. and “the Muslims” created nothing is truly an ignoramus who should be obliged to wash his or her mouth out with soap at least a hundred times.
Very important for contemporary readers is Ansary’s account and explanation of the impact of Zionism on the Islamic world and the ways Western interventions after WW1 affected the options of various groups in MENA before, during, and after WW2, and the advent of aggressive militant colonial Jews in Palestine. The crushing of Arab and other aspirations for statehood by Western powers (replacement of British meddlers by American) created a kind of domino effect that is still rippling.
Please inform yourselves before making stupid broadbrush comments about “the Arabs” or “the Muslims” (two different concepts, by the way).
Yes, Muslims do have a different world view and that is their right.
They also have a different view of community and society.
IMO it is not possible to graft this vision onto a modern Western society.
There is going to be a clash of values.
BTW there is also a huge clash of values between modern secular society and fundamentalist Jews who want to impose their preferences for control of their members on everyone (such as creation of those “zones” with strings etc. that they string up in areas of North London and elsewhere to give themselves permission to break their own rules and get in everyone else’s way).
But none of this would have come up if various Islamic entities had been left more or less alone—there would not have been the recent and ongoing influx of deracinated, psychologically fragile, and in some cases murderously enraged people, esp. young men.
Most recently, if we had not invaded Iraq.
Please, read Destiny Disrupted. It is very readable. You won’t be able to put it down.
And you will be saved from making awesomely dumbass comments in public.
“West created the Renaissance, etc. and “the Muslims” created nothing is plainly wrong. West had no idea about Greek culture, it was passed to the west through Muslim rulers of Spain through Jews who were expelled by – Queen Isabella. Alexander the Great spread hellenic over middle east. In time, texts in greek were translated to arabic. Then arabs, now as Muslims conquered big part of Spain, and brought that knowledge with them, in arabic of course. Jews living in Spain, since the times Romans forced them to diaspora, translated it to Latin. Gradually, latin translations trickled to southern europe – Italy. about the same time, from the East (Arabs, China, Persia, India) important mathematical and astronomical knowledge trickled to Europe. Before Newton and Gauss, europeans learned about zero and its role in mathematics. Zero was first time used in India, Arabs adopted it and gave us – arabic numbers, a decimal system. Using arabic numerals in commerce was much more efficient than using roman numbers. How do you multiply in roman numbers? Chinese and arabs gave us first mathematical machines, a simple abacus. Except mathematics, we learned from their medicine. Europeans learned to take baths from Muslims. Europe was very dirty and unhealthy place back then. Use of gun powder came from the east. It was then that Marco Polo in China learned about burning stones – coal it was.
About the same time this happened, two more things happened – Ottoman Turks captured Constantinople in 1453 and close the silk road for Europe (Venetian state). Byzantine empire was direct extension of Roman empire, much more advanced than europe, in particular Western Europe. Many educated and skilled people fled to – Italy, since it was the closest land unoccupied by Ottoman turks.So we had knowledge coming from Spain (Arabs, jews), and more knowledge and skills from Byzantine. Those are necessary but not sufficient ingredients for blossoming of culture – sciences and arts. Society organization remained the same – feudal of course.
North-Western Europe was the literally end of the world, nothing beyond shores of England and Ireland. Discovery of American continent by Columbus, 1492, changed the situation. Thanks to non existing resistance to viruses, American native population was literally wiped out. Of course, Christian Conquistadors sped up the process, as did French catholics and English protestants a bit later. Evan Russian orthodox christians did a bit on Alaska and California. It was too far from them and inconvenient to bring the loot, so soon they gave up. besides, there was nothing in Americas the already did not possess. Gold, silver started pourin to Spain then the rest of Europe (Spanish kings taking loans and repaid them in gold). New foodstuff came – corn, potato, tomato, peppers, sugar, that solved starvation problem ever present in entire Europe. Trade with Ottoman Turks ceased. So Ottoman Turks had to find new loot and conquest. Any maritime operations were out of question, so they turned to conquering – land. In all directions they went. Balkans, Kakazus, central Asia, north Africa, a bit to the east in Asia. They looted, pillaged, raped, killed, just like Europeans did in Americas. Unlike europeans, they did not have advantage of biological warfare – peoples around had the same germs and viruses, even similar genetics as Turks. The best they could do is reaching Vienna, twice, then settling for borders on Danube and Sava ( tributary to Danube, flowing from Austrian Alps, reaching Danube at Belgrade, Serbia). However, there is a difference that makes all the difference. While very small number of Western Europeans conquered Americas, conquering landmass requires much more human resources – people, skilled in warfare. There was no way to gather enough Turks for the armies. Turks relied on mercenaries and vassals. Conquered people would add to the Sultan’s army. That is no surprise, after all infantry is made of common folk. So feudal lords who ruled before Turks had absolute power over people. They would round up people for turkish armies. People were willing to go, cause they had two options: being punished/killed by the feudal lord, if not , stay and live through Turkish occupation, which in many cases turned to be the same feudal lords, who simply converted to Islam and became – “Turks”. Besides, as soldier in winning army, there is a chance for loot to bring home after the war. the luckiest, most skillful and strongest survived and came home. Some earned promotions i the army, converted and became turkish officers. On coming home, they were assigned important titles, to rule over local population. This worked for Turks, they did not have enough real Turks to man all the positions in huge land. So, it happened that in many cases turkish lords and administrators were not turkish at all. They were local converts, forme or newly minted ‘nobility’. So, whatever “Turks” did to peoples, were not always original turks, most of the time they were local, one of us, who converted to Islam out of interest, therefore – not real Islam believers.
As for stealing children, it has happened. Turks wanted the best, smartest, strongest, to make them professional soldiers, yannitsaries, not supposed to die as cannon fodder – that was for ones not chosen, for ones at home. Turks did not come to villages and randomly pick up kids. They must have watched them for some time, and that would not be a secret. Many parents willingly gave the kids – for kids’ sake. Yannitsaries were educated and privileged members of Turkish ruling appareture. Chance of being killed in war were much smaller than for ordinary soldiers. They were kind of spetsnaz. some were taken by force, some went voluntarily. Often, they were from better households. Often they reached high rank in the state apparatus. Many reached level of Grand Vizier, second to Sultan himself. One, we Serbs know the best, was Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic. The folk lore and literature tell us that he was kidnapped. hard to believe, hen we know that his brother was a high bishop in Serbian Orthodox church. So one family had two sons close to the top of two countries – Turkish and Serbian. From my humble knowing of mathematics, that is pretty unlikely to be random event.
So, Muslims killed christians, converted Christians killed christians, even lower rank peasants killed other christians, if the other side in the war happened to hire or force Serbs to fight against “Turks”. In any army, the strongest motive to fight is chance to kill, loot and rape, be it deliberate decisions, or as a revenge. Not everybody in wars had a chance to kill, loot or rape. Why did the others do it? Because they could. Human nature, what can you do.
We are animals in essence, animals also kill and rape – to ensure their genes get propagated, no the other guys. Lions eat cubs fathered by other lions, lionesses eagerly mate with killers, they need to propagate genes as well. So do bears. In order to suppress animal urges, humans invented ethics, religion, ideology, just to be able to survive as a species, to give a chance to ones that are not the most vicious and without scruples of any kind. Vicious without scruples end up rulers, politicians, or higher management. The strongest, smartest, skillful, educated, but with scruples and up with consolation prize – administrators or technokrats for the vicious elite without scruples. Human nature, whacha gonna do.
Off topic. Please take any further discussion on this subject to the Moveable Feast Cafe.
Well spoken. Islam means “submission”. It does not tolerate any other religion on an equal basis. However, it does allow a temporary truce when Muslims are in a weaker position. What happens after every terrorist attack in Europe ? The bulk of Muslims stay silent, while a few apologists reiterate the old propaganda phrase that no true Muslim would do such things. On the other hand, historians point to the fact that since it’s inception, Islam has killed 150 million non Muslims.
What has Erdogan done in Istanbul ? He converted the world famous Agia Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral into a mosque. Not only is this a supreme piece of arrogance, but also a propaganda ploy by an Islamist, who made it known that all other religions are subservient to Islam. The reaction of the West has been suspiciously weak, almost non existent. I wonder why. Perhaps further efforts to have the Orthodox religion eradicated, bearing in mind Constantinople was it’s ecclesiastical center ?
In my comments on the Internet, I pointed out what Erdogan had done with the Hagia Sophia. A Turk replied to me that the last time the Hagia Sophia was Greek Orthodox was back in 1453, and after that it has been under Muslim control. He thus sees sees nothing wrong that the Orthodox cathedral has been converted into a mosque, since it Was Orthodox a long time ago. A very practical attitude from his, Muslim point of view. However, when Charlie Hebdo published those cartoons, we all know what Muslim reactions were. Also, how many Muslim apologists protested when the Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque ? The usual silence ensued. Turning Orthodox churches into mosques was a Turkish practice during the Ottoman Empire.
When it comes to French intelligence services, they are no different from any other intelligence services in the world. They, of course, have informers in any institution which is subversive. And did French intelligence services provoke terrorist attacks in France, so that a reaction would ensue ? Maybe, maybe not. However, volunteers for such terrorist attacks are always available, and they gladly kill Christians.
How about ISIS in the Middle East ? We all know ISIS was created by the US and Israel and financed by Saudi Arabia, the aim being the overthrow of President Assad, the creation of an Islamic caliphate and the penetration of Islam into the Caucuses (Russia of course intervened). However, what is interesting is the actual creation of ISIS. It was turned into a mercenary army. Where did it get all those volunteers, who not only butchered Syrian Christians, but also Syrian Muslims who were accused of not being Muslim enough ? ISIS exemplifies the mentality of the Middle Ages, and people like that should not exist in the 21st century, but they do.
When it comes to France, it’s history has been unfortunate. Unity is not a French characteristic. The history of France is full of political, religious and social quarrels. In the 14th and 15th centuries you had the 100 years war between England and France. The only reason it lasted so long was because the dukes of Normandy and Burgundy fought with the English against the French king. By the 16th century France recovered, and became the most prosperous kingdom in Europe. However, it then gets a religious war between the Protestants and Catholics. Instead of applying common sense and permitting religious toleration, the French king starts a civil war. He wins. However, 250.000 French Protestants flee to England, the bulk being craftsmen from manufacturing areas of France. This crippling event prevented France from getting an industrial revolution on time, giving England the initiative. And when England in 1750 started with it’s first industrial revolution, the chief question in France was if the aristocracy should pay taxes. Social divisions and poverty were the result. The Rothschild’s of course exploited these tremendous weaknesses in French society and start a revolution using French freemasons.
France has been a Rothschild’s hunting ground since 1789, when they financed the French revolution (the exception was the De Gaulle period, but even he was brought down in 1968 by a mini French revolution). The aristocracy was almost exterminated and a “citizen state” introduced. This was done through the famous terror. In the Vendee region alone, some 700.000 people were exterminated, mostly farmers. These methods were replicated by Anglo-American bankers in Russia in 1917, except that Russia saw far more terror victims than France did. We must not leave out the famous Napoleon, who was brought to the French political scene to restore order. However, his Russian campaign of 1812 was Rothschild’s financed. He failed. His task was taken over by Hitler in 1941. Like Napoleon, the largest army he created was the one used against Russia, and like Napoleon he was financed by private bankers, in his case by the London and New York bankers.
One of the chief reasons for the French Revolution was the introduction of private banking. Until 1789 French finances were in royal hands. After 1789 they passed into the hands of private bankers. This policy has not changed to this very day. Globalization means a world wide empire run by private banks and corporations. Who controls the US Fed, a private central bank ?
We now come to Macron. It is absolutely incredible that he ended up as President. As everybody knows, he was a Rothschild’s banker. Yet he becomes President. Yes, his election was rigged, a well known fact. He won with the highly unusual score of 66:33 % of the vote. Even though the election was rigged, the impression is that a slight majority did in fact vote for him. And how is this possible, when everybody knows he is a Rothschild’s banker ? This is for psychologists to answer.
And finally, we come to present day France. What is it becoming ? Answer: It is becoming a reincarnation of the Middle Ages, a future battleground for Christians and Muslims. Muslim penetration of France began after the war in Algeria, and continued after the EU was created. The French elite is under banker control, it’s political Trojan Horse. This Trojan Horse has permitted the invasion of millions of Trojan Horses from the Middle East, who eventually will provoke wide scale religious disturbances in France, if not a religious war, this being the intent, and not only in France, but in the whole of Western Europe. The false “refugees” and “migrants” pouring into Europe will be used to subvert sovereign European states by creating economic, financial, political, social, religious and ethnic problems, and in the process giving Brussels even more influence and power. That, of course, is the overall intent. Sovereign European states need to be eradicated, and a united Europe be created, if not a single European ethnic group. This explains the open borders policy.
The EU is a banker creation, just like the US. Both have central banks under the control of private bankers. The US and Western Europe are basically under Zionist control. Since this is not the case with Russia and China, we thus end up with vilification of both. If things are not drastically altered in Western Europe, then the question in the long run will be who will survive, the West or East, Western Europe or Russia (backed by China) ? We shall see.
“Muslims always have been killing infidels during History, they don’t do more nowadays because they are weaker.”
That is certainly a simplistic view.
Erm, Christians, the same.
Maybe Buddhists have not killed members of different Buddhists sects, or followers of other religions . . .
Deracinated young men are always a dangerous element, and all too often easily maniipulated.
Lack of education generally doesn’t help things.
I have just been reading about the origins of the Taliban in refugee camps in Pakistan, where young Afghan men grew up having fled there as children, many of them as orphans, from wartorn Afghanistan.
The Freicorps in Germany after WW1. Hitlerl himself (although his psyche was atypical in many ways, in others it was not).
Many other examples.
Quite apart from the “deracinated young men” issue, as far as I can see years and years—decades and decades— of “Western” meddling in MENA chickens are coming home to roost. France and the UK were the premier meddlers. And thieves of the wealth and lands of MENA regions (Algeria, pieds noirs; Syria-Lebanon; French Africa; etc.). Soooo . . . .
It seems like it used to be piquant, the way the tints of exotic cultures enhanced the overall picture of French culture and society. Now it is starting to look like a drip painting.
I do feel very sorry for regular French people. Including all of the regular members of French subcultures who are trying to survive. I am quite sure that none of these people are responsible for the current mess.
“Christians have been looking infidels throughout history…”
At least as true if not more. Ask the victims of the Conquistadors, just for example.
Let’s also recall that the greatest disaster to befall Islam—the people and the culture—was the genocidal destruction, especially of brilliant Baghdad, the location of the first university on Earth, but not only of Baghdad, by the Mongol peoples led by Genghis Khan and his relatives and descendants.
The ‘first university on Earth’ was the Pandidakterion (Byzantine Greek: Πανδιδακτήριον) founded in 425 by Emperor Theodosius II with 31 chairs for law, philosophy, medicine, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, music, rhetoric and other subjects, 15 to Latin and 16 to Greek. From the 9th century it was known as University of the Palace Hall of Magnaura (Greek: Πανδιδακτήριον τῆς Μαγναύρας). The university existed until the 15th century, maintaining an active philosophical tradition of Platonism and Aristotelianism, the longest unbroken Platonic school, running until the 15th century, when it was closed by the ‘liberators of Constantinople from the Byzantine yoke’ and transformed into a Madrasa. It continued nevertheless as the Patriarchal Academy of Constantinople (Phanar Greek Orthodox College).
Similar schools were functioning in Antioch and Alexandria, closed by the Arabs.
So, take it easy with Bagdad and the Arab origins of the Renaissance.
“The contemporary European philosophical and scientific disciplines can be attributed to the Arabic-Latin translations during the renaissance period. Arab scholars such as Ibn Ul Rushd (Averroes),Ibn Ul Senna (Avicenna), Ibn Dawood (Avendauth), Al Khaldun, Al Ghazali and Al Farabi to name a few helped shaped the western thought on philosophy, physics, medicine, astrology, psychology, ethics and logic. Constantine the African is considered to be the first Arabic to Latin translator in the thirteenth century AD. He translated Arabic texts on natural philosophy and medicine while concealing the Arabic origins of the works. Arabic to Spanish translation in Europe data back to the first half of the twelfth century AD. Spain had much earlier contact with the Muslim Arabs then the main land Latin speaking Europe. Italy followed Spain in translating Arabic work into Latin at the Universities of Toledo and Padua. Europe was introduced to Aristotle in the medieval and renaissance period through the commentaries of Avicenna and Averroes. Such important works of translations from Arabic to Latin owe their commission to the patronage of European nobility at the Universities of Toledo and Padua. The Arabic texts which were translated during the twelfth and Thirteenth century offered knowledge that was diabolically opposite to the Roman Catholic Church views. The political and social influence of the Roman Catholic Church in the medieval and renaissance Europe is well documented and beyond the scope of this paper. The influence of Arabic-Islamic Scholasticism and Humanism acted as the catalyst for the changes in the philosophical thought in the renaissance Europe and beyond. This paper aims to highlight the some of the contributions of the Arabic-Islamic literature upon medieval and renaissance. The review the scholarly literature helps us to establish that influence. The contemporary anti-Islam and anti-Arabic movements are slowly obliterating and suppressing the scholarly exchanges that led to the Arabic to Latin translations as a historic fact.
The Catholics wiped out 1/3 of Polish population because they were “infidels”. There are 2 billion Muslims, tell me which are the ones you refer to?
Leo Removed. Mod. Don’t generalize, it’s the attribute of the you know who.
I am constantly impressed with the willingness of ignorant people to spout simple minded talking points,
many of which I hear from people whose only source of “information” is the relgious channel.
You clearly have not read any history.
Guys. Please review Moderation Rule #2 or else I’m going to be sending your posts to the Trash. Thank-you.
As I submitted my post I suspected it was inappropriate. You are right and I will abide.
As a French, I find your analysis interesting and plausible. What is sure is that we, “they” have done everything they could to trigger the attacks which occurred today. As if they were willing to start a civil war.
It has started, and they will probably wage it enough to suppress every kind of civil rights and basic freedom.
In the meantime, the virus is of great help to lock down again the country… Until summer 2021, when the vaccine is ready… To generate big money.
May God and His Holy Mother have mercy on us.
Those so-called terrorist attacks in France and mostly everywhere else were Operation Gladio like infiltration and patsy jobs prepared by the same services our tax money pays for in order to protect us. In 1963 they hadn’t thought of it yet otherwise they might have blamed muslims for JFK’s assasination as well.
What I want to know is where are the Joan of Arcs’ of this world….multiculturalism is death to a nation, all those Western countries that embraced it are dying.
multiculturalism is death to a nation
Yes Russia survived for 1000 years as a multi-cultural and multi-religious society.
As did the Eastern Roman Empire.
As did the Western Roman Empire.
As did the Empire of Alexander.
Could the cause of the current crisis not be multiculturalism but the foundations of western civilization themselves?
Agree with The Saker – the “… cause of the current crisis … (is not) … multiculturalism but the foundations of western civilization …” and it goes back to before the time of the Crusades. As well as the list cited by The Saker of Empires that got on pretty well with multiculturalism you could add the Achaemenid Persian Empire, the Medes, the Assyrians. These are pretty much the guys that wrote the governing of a Multicultural Society manual. It was pretty much from the Achaemenids that Alexander adopted his ideas. Oh yeah, and the Mongols, and the Arabs……
Multiculturalism was very profitable when the West imposed themselves on other cultures for the last 500 years. Now when these countries return the favors and come over, the Westerners are complaining and crying like babies.
I am afraid I have to disagree. Yes, Russia has survived, but Russia is huge. Don’t forget the Chechen war. Can France and Britain survive as multicultural states, being smaller ? I think not.
Yes, the Roman Empire existed for some 800 years. However, it collapsed, as all empires do, as they implode financially and create a heap of enemies. On top of that, people forget the mass immigration into Rome, which altered the balance of the population, and which contributed to Romes fall.
Finally, when Rome existed, there was no Muslim faith. And yes, Rome was taken by Germanic tribes. However, who took Constantinople in 1453 ? A descendant of the invaders has recently converted the Hagia Sophia Greek Orthodox cathedral into a mosque. A bad omen for Western Europe.
Iran is home to Armenian Christians who fled genocide, and Sunni Afghans who fled war, totalling in the millions.
Iran is home to Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Mandeans, and Muslims. The USA has a special program to relocate Zoroastrians, which has caused their numbers to decline in Iran in the last couple of decades or so.
Zoroastrian Iranians can move to the US very easily, but Muslim Iranians can’t even get a tourist visa. The two groups are racially, culturally and behaviorally indistinguishable.
Iran is home to Azeri Turks, Qashqai Turks, Turkmens, Gilaks, Taleshis, Kurds, Lors, Laks, Persians, Arabs, native African-looking black people in the south, Baluchis, and others. The Baluch, Kurds, Turkmen and Arabs are Sunni.
This has been the state of affairs in Iran for millenia.
Multiculturalism is not a problem. Zionists stoking racist hate and secterianist conflict is the problem.
Yes, I know that Iran is home to both Christians and Jews. Same thing in Syria, which too has Christians and Jews. Both countries tolerate these two non-Muslim religions, no doubt for political reasons. However, Syria became a target for ISIS. We all know who created ISIS. However, those who created it had no problems finding tens of thousands of recruits. How many mass graves of Christians have been discovered in Syria ?
As for Iran, it is rather unfortunate that it backed the Muslim side in the 1992-1995 civil war in Bosnia and Herzegovina, when thousands of Jihadists came to fight the Orthodox Serbs. Take a look at what is happening in France and other European countries, where you will find the Jihadist mentality.
We are debating whether multiculturalism can work. Your strongest argument opposed is that Iran tolerates Jews and Christians for political reasons.
And yet, the Armenian Christians came here a hundred years ago, the Jews, thousands of years ago. Obviously they found an atmosphere of tolerance where they could live and prosper.
I still maintain that in Iran multiculturalism has been working, and for a long time at that.
I have no idea why you brought up so many irrelevant things, mate.
Actually Bill Clinton’s USA greenlighted the Iranian operation for flying salafist terrorists to Croatia destined to fight in Bosnia. Also what is the big deal with homosexuals in Iran? In Iran homosexualism is legal as long as the gay man undergoes a legal sexual gender changing surgery.
Religion freedom/restriction can be a symptom,one of indicators that something is not right, not the cause. My point – it all depends on how society is set up. The higher degree of ‘welfare state’ people are more happy. If ‘welfare state’ means decent health care, education, non violence, food of course, some pension at the end, I am all for it. If most of those components are reasonably preserved, lack of one of them does not mean much. Societies were “togetherness” and “reasonable equality” is not in vogue, do not last too long. Religion per se has nothing to do with it. Muslims are majority live in many countries, yet Saudi Arabia, Iran, or, say Kazakhstan or Indonesia are not the same. Ordinary people live very different life. Wherever country leadership is in bed with corporations life cannot be good.
Even small countries can provide conditions for happy life of multiple cultures, religions and worldviews. Until “they” decide to destroy them. Yugoslavia was one such country. People literally lived like one, like brothers, until one month before first blood was spilled. People were aware of all kinds of differences, yet accepted them. In a small country it is more difficult to socially isolate, but is it is possible.
However, with enough pressure from outside, those previously negligible forces of destruction become strong. As long as there is enough food, and not too much violence, people will put up with anything. Communist rule? Fine, there is food and education and health care, travel within and without the country. For most, communists were better than kingdom before II war.Yet, even kingdom lasted until it was destroyed by WWII, not from inside insurrection, do people were – fine. Communists bad, we have nationalists now. Fine again, as long as there is no violence, and there is food, and secondary things like health, education, freedom to move around are reasonably preserved. Neo liberals and “democrats”? Fine, we don’t like them very much, they swindle us and we swundle them in return, at least no war. See how threshold of acceptance goes down – from “we have it all”, then “we don’t have it all, but it’s bearable” to “at least we have head on our shoulders and food to eat”. Various societies have various levels for thresholds.
The multiculturals in Russia are natives, not immigrants. Even in Russia with her multicultural natives is not immune to civil war as history has shown. All empires die because of multiculturalism when the empire weakens, what is left are nations with a mono culture who choose (not forced like in empires) to stay together.
“Could the cause of the current crisis not be multiculturalism but the foundations of western civilization themselves?”
1. Multiculturalism is fine just so long as the various adherents bring only the best of their cultures with them, and assimilate into the host society. Otherwise it’s a recipe for mayhem.
2. The current crisis, whatever it may be this particular year, has invariably been manufactured for a purpose, and never for the good of the common folk.
3. No civilization that permits the ruling aristocracy to consume everything has long to live.
China seems to be doing ok.
Sure, with about 56 clearly distinguishable ethnic groups.
Russia has well over 100 :-)
What about India?
The Wikipedia page on China and Russia has detailed information on ethnicities of both the countries and for that matter all other countries, but why no information on India’s ethnicities?
However, Russia just made it explicit that there is a core nation in Russia, and its position is to be guaranteed. One can tolerate minorities, but the majority is rarely willing to give up its pre-eminent position.
One of the finest essays on this subject from 1995 (and in my opinion, a work of art in English language writing).
23 in my neighborhood.. The religions in China:
Over 50% atheist
28% Folk: a mixture of ancestor worship, Confucius, Tao, etc
Christian & Muslim combined: less than 5 %
Cheers from Yunnan Province
China has a long history of assimilation and anxiety over different ethnicities.
I was thinking Erdogan. He has a lot to gain with France and Macron in a mess.
What say you? His Intel and Military have ratlines and communication with all the Muslim Brotherhood factions everywhere.
It is just as likely a move by him. Look at his moves in Libya, Azerbaijan and into Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Xinjiang, as well as Afghanistan. He’s moved AQ and ISIS fighters everywhere. He’s threaten Germany and hints at some encouragements to the Ukies over Crimea.
There is no treachery or slaughter he is not incapable of instigating, funding and applauding.
Unlikely in my opinion, at least not directly.
Because Erdogan does not have the kind of networks in France which the French authorities have.
For Erdogan, operating in the countries you mention is far less potentially dangerous as operating in France.
Of course, by his loud protestations Erdogan is only fueling the fire so you could say that he encouraged. But he does not set the agenda at Charlie Hebdo if you see what I mean :-)
Erdogan has a much stronger network in Germany, Holland and Sweden.
As for Islam; there are an increasing amount of areas in my home country of Sweden where my daughter cannot walk with bare legs, exposed hair, with a dog without having stones thrown at her and the dog, or sexually harassed. This is a new development directly tied to mass muslim migration. I am sure there are nice muslims but these are the facts and I see no reason why I should accept it. Why should I accept such a degradation of my country and the freedoms and safety of my daughter? Now I am well aware that the push for mass migration is done at a higher level than the feeble leaders of Sweden.
If you will we can call it something else: what do you call an ideology invented by a warlord followed by followers who reject modern civilisation and and the law of the lands they have migrated to?
Why should I accept such a degradation of my country and the freedoms and safety of my daughter?
I completely agree. And real Muslims would not act in the primitive and crude way many of these immigrants from Muslim countries do. But being FROM a Muslim country does not make you a Muslim. Same for calling yourself a Muslim or slitting throats while screaming “Allahu akbar!”.
The Muslim and the Islamic world is probably more diverse than the Christian world, and certainly more diverse than the Buddhist one (probably less diverse than Hinduism).
Once you learn how to discriminate between the various groups, schools of thought and traditions, then, suddenly, they don’t appear quite as scary.
We always mostly fear that which we do not understand.
I see no piety or virtue in ignorance.
I have great respect for the Persian civilisation and Persians are by and large an asset to Sweden, highly educated and can, thanks to not being Swedish- critically discuss the immigrant citation. The Syrians, Palestinians, north Afrikans, Somalis? Much worse situation. I also think there are great things in all cultures and diversity in that sense is great.
Now what is happening in Western Nations in general and Sweden in particular is a strange and toxic mix of feminized reception of the mostly male refugees that is near limitless in its naivete and generosity (similar in US Minnesota, Vermont and Maine). No demands, no “male honor” just a living in gloomy suburbs where you can leech off the welfare system. This creates a toxic brew in the mind of the young men; the generosity of the welfare system makes them hate themselves and the Swedes. A much better way would have been to use the former conscription system of old sergeants, scream a it bit at the recruits, I mean refugees, and send them off to the forest with an axe, a goat, and a bad of seed. People are not idiots (except liberals) and if you pay people not to work, or claim to be refugees, or that the neighbors children back home are yours they will do just that.
@FK.Dahl: “where my daughter cannot walk with bare legs, exposed hair, with a dog without having stones thrown at her and the dog”
The same thing happened to me walking in Jerusalem with a girl and her little dog. A local explained to me that some pious Jews and Muslims consider the dog an unclean animal along with the pig. It must be some ancient Semitic taboo. Both sects are prone to throw stones, even to cause someone’s death, as in the Bible.
But what has this to do with the situation in France: the relentless Zionazi Capitalist trajectory, ever downward from Sarkozy through Hollande to Micron.
The French want another go in Libya and this is giving them the excuse (‘legitimisation’) pretext. Amazing how this has flared up at the right time for them. Maybe the English will join in? Boris needs a distraction and obviously wishes to feed his Churchill complex. Western Europe is in big trouble on many fronts, another war on them pesky muslims could give them the distraction they need. Of course the blow back will mean dead civilians in London and Paris but meh, the plebs are expendable when there are power hungry fat cats who need feeding.
Looks like Russia is not different.
Another Muslim hating comment showing, what? That Muslims exist in Moscow?
Dude – if Islam is not compatible with your civilization, it is quite compatible with ours!
So, enjoy your civil wars and let those of us who are Muslims celebrate Kurban Bayram.
Interesting how Macron and his ilk can turn on a dime. Has he ever done anything besides encourage the invasion of foreigners? Now he can change sides without blinking. Amazing that anyone trusts these guys. They obviously do not work in the interest of the people.
Only anecdotal evidence: I had never heard of Charlie Hebdo but as soon as Charlie Charlot erupted in France I searched, “Who owns Charlie Hebdo?” — and up popped la famille Rothschild; they owned it “at arms length” through having bought up Liberation. Samples on the web seemed to specialize in foul caricatures and especially dirty jokes against 2 of the 3 great Abrahamic religions. The web also reported that one day Charlie Hebdo published a tiny, characteristically humorless but uncharacteristically mild, dig at the first great Abrahamic religion; its editor was fired on the spot.
Let me remind that Charlie Hebdo even mocked the victims of the Russian plane crash in Egypt in December 2015 with absolutely despicable caricatures. Kadyrov then reacted and wrote that those who drew and published them are simply not human, to which I wholeheartedly agree with him.
I thought the Saker overreacted in his article titled “I am NOT Charlie” published earlier the same year when I first read it. Obviously not!
I am confused. You can go to jail for holocaust denial but blasphemy is freedom of speech. Couldn’t they at least try to be a little more consistent.
VERY good point!
Bran, consistency is not the issue; power is the issue:
“To find out who rules you, first find out whom you are not allowed to criticize.” — Voltaire
Macron is a word and that word means a mark.
The good book says to keep an eye out for the leader of a great power who has a name which means a mark because that leader is the antichrist.
Russia recognizes Macron as the coming antichrist and the Duma states it.
Macron is a monster and his rise is relentless.
Now THAT is a very interesting comment!!! Macron as the antichrist? what do others think?
his first name is Emmanuel. He just does not seem as powerful as the prophesies suggest.
His parents were noted atheists in public life in France and yet their every chosen name for Macron is what? – a mockery of Christ?
Macron is a big fool, but only a minor little package of evil compared to the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ has power, evil power; Macron only has delusions of grandeur.
I agree. If Macron is the antichrist then we should all be ok. But I don’t think he is and I fear whatever/whoever awaits us is going to much more terrifying.
Btw, in what language does Macron mean “mark”?
Macron can be found in later Maccabees circa 150 BC.
Depicted as their friend in those days shielding them from having to receive a triangular mark on the back of their right hands.
A general way back then resurfaces today and just like that little Macron is known again as ‘the Assyrian’ across the entire Middle East.
The antichrist is foretold to be ‘the Assyrian’.
He is strong enough already to have blown up Beirut and to step straight into the falling rubble in his pristine white and never sweat affected shirt to reestablish the French in the Levant.
He changed working hours and calls himself ‘The Master of Clocks’ and so he certainly considers himself as foretold to be the master of times.
Under his watch the kilogram became defined by Planck’s Constant and two other units of measure he altered likewise. So he certainly has changed weights and measures too.
He torched Notre Dame so he could continue his excavations searching for Jupiter upon his column buried millenia ago.
Let the Pillar of the Boatmen speak these truths to you.
Sorrows precede Macron, just ask the wadi cattle and fish in Iraq.
“Russia recognizes Macron as the coming antichrist and the Duma states it.”
Three little things come to mind:
1. There have been various individuals fingered as the “antichrist” down through the last 20 centuries. Seeing as how, logically, they can’t all be the real McCoy, it’s reasonable to ascribe to them the status of archetypical Mini-Me’s of the Grand Poobah who has yet to make his appearance. Macron may be such a forebearer.
2. German nun and stagmatist, Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich, stated from her visions that the Antichrist will be born in the Turkish city of Antioch to a prostitute mother. Does that sound like Macron?
3. Also from Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich, before the Antichrist rises to power, Europe will once again be overrun by the Turks, who will eventually be driven out again by an army led by a German king who is Christian and walks with a limp. Has any of this yet come to pass?
In a nutshell, no, Macron most likely isn’t the Antichrist. Perhaps his mischief is directed against Christ’s will, but he’s not the main act.
A certain Siener van Rensberg chap from South Africa also prophesized civil war in Europe before a Christian leader emerges to save the day, within the next 5 years I believe. However I think this certain Christian leader will just be another crypto-Jew.
The NWO calls for population reduction, so Muslim forces have been moved into Europe to confront the Christians there. The establishment will at first support the Muslim forces, then the Christian forces, etc, until sufficient numbers have kicked the bucket and then “peace” will be restored by the same ones who created
the conflict in the first place. The survivors will be ever so grateful.
And Macron has done a 180 degree turn, first he was promoting Muslims and immigrants, even saying that there is no such thing as French culture, and now he is suddenly having doubts. I guess that means he has been instructed to kindle the flames a bit.
Good points, one & all.
The pieces are on the move, but the hand that moves them remains hidden.
Indeed the questions which need to be asked are –
1. Is France going to face a Presidential election in the near future ?
2. Is the incumbent President popular ?
3. Why has France imposed another strict Lockdown ?
4. Why did these terrorist acts happen at this particular point of time ?
5. Will these act’s help in the re-election of the incumbent President ?
6. Who or what actually supports the incumbent President ?
Very predictable, Zionism, inside job, etc. I’m saddened by this analysis, but I’m paradoxically arriving at the same conclusion. I would argue globalists against traditionalists. This reminds me about an very interesting article on the German website “Telepolis” . Basically it sums up the tendencies in Western countries as a liberal tyranny, which will police free speech despotically and ram down its ideology of freedom of materialism, genderism and total atomization.
Reading through the comments makes one thing very clear, humans will always try to impose their will on each other. At least I agree with the Saker that the fault comes to the basic nature of each of us. All this bickering about international law, moralization, human rights are interest derived hypocrisies, which can be broken or imposed if necessary.
Let’s say it loud and clearly: The strongest wins. Every time. After the fact of defeat the rationalization follows. Ah our god demanded it, our culture is superior, we have the best technology etc.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Truth, seeking of truth, is a very naive proposition. No one wants hear/see/experience it. It’s always been a game of proclivities and their rationalizations.
Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc. have such fundamental flaws and are mutually exclusive, that you’d expect a more humble approach of spreading their dogma. Science as a method has proven to uncover some of our experienced reality. But as everything human, scientist (must) believe in the absurdity of materialism.
Why is it so hard just to be truthful and accept the notion that nobody really KNOWS what is going on? Nothing is more dangerous than a fool who is convinced to know everything and who acts on it.
O Boy! This is THE most defitist comment I have ever read here. Get a grip. Humanity, in it’s origins, is the best this world has ever produced. We are blessed with God’s love and God’s ambition for us. We have simply lost the right path in finding our way back to the truth. Stumbling along the way. Doesn’t mean that we will never discover that path. Strongest sometimes do not win. What wins in the end is the strategy and the intellect. Unfortunately, this is where the most virulent attack has been made – on the intellect. The masses have been conditioned to have a very short attention span, not enough to read and research – to discover facts and find our the actual truth.. Whatever attention span they had, has been usurped by the ghastly and debasing “entertaiment”, such as, for example, the “reality shows”. The most vile and telling among these is the one called “Dating naked”. Shows the level of depravity that this EVIL wants us, as humanity, to sink down to. I felt absolutely sick in my stomach when I just happened, unfortunately, to catch a glipse of that so-called show in one of the ads. This is what it’s all about. They don’t want us to have families, children, love.. They want us to become animals of the worse kind or simply subjugate us into a cattle herd. We, God’s creation of humanity should not give them such satanic pleasures. We have a destiny which totally opposes it, so let’s fulfil that.
Frankly, I really appreciate this brief coverage of the fundamental cause of this type of problem . This notion of “national Zionism” is of primary importance.
Keep broadening our minds on this troublesum power.
I will try, but you know what depresses me the most?
All the ugly and self-righteous bigotry out there.
If it weren’t from some good friends, I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.
Ignorance and bigotry are now in vogue.
Analysis, not so much :-(
Surah Al Asr
By Time. Mankind is in a loss. Except those who believe, and do good deeds, and advise each other on the truth. And advise each other on patience.
Please note, the Koran say, “mankind”, not “Muslims”.
You are my brother, Saker. Be patient, though this is sorely trying.
Don’t worry Saker, my belief in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck will save us all. Regarding all of the other nut cases who think the world began much earlier all I can say is ‘watch this space’ but don’t look too long.
Wasn’t it Abraham who asked the Angel of the Lord if he could find 20 good men in Sodom would he spare the city? and then, 10 good men? and the Angel of the Lord said, that he would spare the City of he could find 10.
Saker, ignorance begets ignorance. If people like yourself give up trying to share light into the world, the world only becomes a darker place. You will always have people who threaten, mock and throw abuse at you.
When that happens, you should then KNOW that you are doing right and sharing light.
God bless mate
I can only say that it is definitely not fair that Muslims (and Jews of course) have an exclusive right to their customs and features of their faith around the world that everyone MUST respect. While all foreigners in their world must behave the same way according to their Islamic rules. If Muslim women in Britain are already walking around like black mailboxes, it would be fair for British women to walk around Riyadh in hot t-shirts without any fear of being arrested, beaten or beheaded. Of course I’m exaggerating but I hope I can explain what I mean. I also see the statements of Muslim leaders from various parts of the world as very aggressive. I have not seen them condemn the barbaric acts of their Muslims. People, especially these radicals, must know that the purpose of law and justice is to prevent reckoning between people that would lead to unforeseen bloodshed. States are not private property for everyone to do what they want and there are situations that provoke the activation of certain laws and the implementation of the same laws. Islamists risk the state attacking them and their families with all its might. France will certainly make mistakes in some future situations, but I stand by their side.
“Comme c’est bizarre, comme c’est étrange et quelle coïncidence ! ” (E. Ionesco)
Is it a coincidence that the boss in Riyadh is a very good “friend” of Washington (and Jerusalem)?
As far as I know, most (if not all) extreme Islamist regimes on the planet have be pushed by the West and all previous moderate ones have been overthrown (by the West).
Squirrel, you really must be New if you do not know that the so-called ‘Boss’ (or King) in Riyadh is merely the CEO of a Rothschild oil company masquerading as an Arab Kingdom. He is not their friend he is their employee, open to extortion, insults and dismissal.
The House of Saud struck up a relationship with the Wahhabi sect of Islam back in the I think the 1700s.
This was a political and ideological backwater.
BUT, in the post-WW1 and post-WW2 struggle for colonial or neocolonial control of the lands of the Ottoman Empire,esp. the oil-rich lands of the Arabian Peninsula, the British supported/used the House of Saud and its Wahhabist pals. That is what gave Wahhabism—the most punitive,fundamental sect of Islam a new breath of life, and new political power and reach.
Oil riches gave the Wahhabist further power to consolidate their hold over Muslim minds via madrassahs, etc. that the sect established all over.
When I first read about the influence of Wahhabism in contemporary politics I really couldn’t believe it.
It just seemed to far-fetched to be true!
Was I wrong!
Check this out for a quick rundown on the history and power of the Wahhabi sect among today’s Muslims:
So, again, chickens have the dangedest way of coming home to roost . . .
P.S. Ansary in Destiny Disrupted give a good overview of the origins and raison d’etre of the Muslim Brotherhood. Again, largely a response to Western meddling in Egypt. Not all that different from the development of the MAGA mindset in current USA.
Having lived in Qatar for 2 years, I can tell you from experience that:
*Women can wear T-shirts & shorts in public
*There are churches, & even a synagogue for foreigners to attend regular services & events
*Qatar Depot Company, with a similar business model to Costco, sells pork & alcoholic drinks
*James Bond & other Western movies (minus love/sex scenes) are shown in Qatari movie theatres
Foreigners are strongly encouraged to respect local customs & dress modestly. There was a woman where I worked that would, during off days, wear a tight tank top showing the figure of her (sizeable) breasts; but she was never arrested, nor fined, nor assaulted. We of course reminded her that she should dress more modestly. My wife never had any problems in Qatar.
One thing Qataris do not tolerate is drivers giving the middle finger; that is a criminal offence! True, Qataris are dangerous drivers, but Qatari society demands civilised behaviour in public, so “road rage” has stiff penalties.
Of course, that was a long time ago when I sailed the Mediterranean in the late ’80s. In Sure a lot has changed for the better. I cited Ryad as an example that sounds good in the ear. Although Alger would be a better example. In fact the world out there in Africa is not the same for sailors and tourists and business people. Everything is very layered, benign and dangerous at the same time. In general, there is enough evidence on Youtube about the Islamic “cream” and their customs as well as the delirious trampling of Macron’s images I saw last night on RT. It is amazing how many good and honorable people there are in that Islamic world and it is incomprehensible to me how that Islamic world is actually a bit backward in its customs with so many good people. We here in the west will never agree with their customs (I mean extremists) which “protect” the prophet with beheading, ala ‘akbar etc. Ritual animal sacrifices for the holidays, etc. I am also bothered by their official forcing the export of Islam to the rest of the world. It is clear to me that this was long ago done by the Catholic Church by grace or force until the world was shaped to their liking. But the Islamization of Europe will definitely end badly. There are remnants of Turkish conquests in the Balkans and Bosnia has incorporated Islam in part. Now “black mailboxes” are walking through Bosnia, and as one girl said, people with shaved heads with black beards who look scary on the street. They came from the Middle East. I believe no one has anything against the Islamic faith but against religion it definitely has. Friend Veselin went to his sister’s house in Bosnia and there he entered a cafe to have a glass of brandy and the waiter told him that they had removed all alcohol because a delegation from Qatar was coming and bringing some money for their “thing”. A friend, Slavko, went to his native village in Bosnia, and as he passed through the city at the crossroads, he was measuredly measured by a bald man with a black beard in Muslim clothes. Slavko says that he has never been so happay to see a green light at a traffic light. So these details, and there are countless of them, still deviate from our way of life and I think it is very rude to ask us to accept that.
“still deviate from our way of life and I think it is very rude to ask us to accept that.”
Your way of life? You mean the materialist-hedonist way of life that the Zionists imposed on you in the last few decades?
I really don’t understand what you’re talking about. Can you go into a little more detail? Surely the “western” world has gone through a lot from a stone ax and clothes from captured animals to probes to Mars and descending on rushing asteroids. There must have been and there are bloody mistakes.
Likewise Islamic culture, about which I know nothing, is very valuable and is now definitely in crisis because of Wahhabism, the support of Saudi Arabia Qatar and Turkey. And Iran is pushing in with its vision of modern Islam that it wants to export to the world. and it was officially announced. Well good luck. Otherwise, two details caught my eye; in Iran craftsmen who make Persian rugs always deliberately add a small flaw to the rug that is otherwise perfect. And for the reason that they do not offend the Almighty. Because only HE has the right to perfection. Touching isn’t it? Women who enter temples, churches and mosques have to suppress their arrogance and beauty a little. as a sign of humility and reverence for God. And only because of that they put scarves on their heads. And these black bags with a slit and absolute covering of the body is a sick idiocy and an insult to a woman. Sure, Islam is an undiscovered treasure chest for us Westerners but what is happening today in the Middle East and is slowly spreading to Europe is death to that original valuable Islam. And it can happen, what people usually miss, that people here in the West start to hate Islam out of ignorance and more importantly because of what this conflict can turn us into and what we don’t want to become at all.
Islam is not an undiscovered treasure for Europeans. Islam is essentially the same ideals as Christianity. And many Armenian Christians live in Iran, and I don’t think they feel that their way of life is incompatible with the Muslims’ way of life, considering they have been here for generations. Iran has always been multicultural, and successfully so.
What I am saying is that Islam is incompatible with modern western culture, which is a Zionist invention. Do not be too quick to jump on that bandwagon and claim it as your own.
But Christianity is incompatible with western culture as well. In fact, Native American and Australian Aboriginal culture are also incompatible with Zionist western culture. So is the way of life of the Amazonian rainforest people.
So, perhaps it is not Islam that is at fault for being incompatible. Perhaps it is Western culture that is incompatible with all others, which is quite appropriate, seeing as how it is an echo of the Zionist racist chosen-people ideology, which does not accept or allow for any other, and must dominate and assimilate all, even a handful of hunter-gatherers in the middle of the Amazon.
Sounds reasonable what you’re saying. I am saying that the Western world, rightly or wrongly, will resist the influence of Islam and that this RESISTANCE will turn us into something we by no means want to become. We have our own customs here and we are evolving in our own way with regard to history and geography. We are not perfect, we sin and we learn. We don’t need Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Iran. Winter is cold and there are bad weather and if we don’t calculate and don’t work, we will freeze or starve to death, which has happened in this area throughout history. We all lived together in the former Yugoslavia. Muslims were ordinary people and we knew that Muslims were just by name. When they had their fast, we were careful as children not to eat our brunch under their noses to make it at least a little easier for them. So too were they considerate of our holidays. No one insulted anyone and everything was fine until the ’90s. Maybe I would put Zionism aside here though because until no one points a gun to your head, you always have a choice. Neoliberalism and Eastern radical Islam will collide in Europe, and it will be very ugly.
Well, actually, everything was ok until 2001. That is when the Muslim-demonization and anti-Islamic propaganda in the Zionist media really started, at the same time as the wars in the middle east, which have all been fought on behalf of the Zionist state.
So, to reiterate, first they spread anti-Islamic sentiment through the media. Then they invade the Middle east, forcing millions to flee to Europe. And now those millions are met with hostility, even though, as you yourself admit and I know through lived experience, Muslims were living alongside Europeans just fine before all this started.
So, global Zionism is actually the real player here. And they are forcing Europeans and Muslims to hate each other. It is as simple as that.
Please clarify something for me. Are you defending Iran’s honourable version of Shia islam which has many admirable qualities or have taken upon yourself to defend the entirety of Islam including its less salubrious aspects. I have no trouble accepting Iran, Hezbollah etc. But most of the Sunni Islam (at least in the last two centutires) has been the most supine ally of the West – please don’t deny it.
I thought pres. Rouhani’s chiming in with Erdogan was not quite right, but then…
And by the way, better to be an honourable enemy than a backstabbling fair-weather “friend”.
Now that you ask, I guess I would have to say that I am defending reason and rationality, and the truth.
Are you talking about the Ottomans having been allied to the West for the last two centuries? What Muslims are you referring to?
On second thought, I am defending the Muslims, Europeans, Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, and everyone else really, against Zionist Satanist tyranny and oppression.
I don’t find the Muslims particularly pleasant or lovely; Shia, Sunni, or Iranian. I am not overly fond of Europeans either. I am just calling it as I see it. Global Zionism is manipulating the Europeans and the Muslims, and is leading them towards conflict. Neither the Europeans nor the Muslims are saints, but neither is anyone else. We are all people, we are all idiots, but we are brothers. We are all literally blood relatives. If you go back far enough, we all have shared ancestors.
This is not about Muslims vs Europeans, this is the enemy pitting mankind against itself, keeping us in our wretched state of subjugation. So, we must defend reason and truth, which says that we are all brothers, and we should work together, not against each other.
Human beings are members of a whole
In creation of one essence and soul
If one member is afflicted with pain
Other members uneasy will remain
If you have no sympathy for human pain
The name of human you cannot retain
I am referring to the Saudi headchoppers, ISIS in the Philippines, the Deobandi ultras of Pakistan and Bangladesh, Bosnian and Albanian wahhabis, Chechen and Dagestani zombies (see the 16-year old kid killed yesterday), the Moslem brotherhood, the Uighur mercenaries… there are hundreds of examples of mainly Sunni – not just Turkish – islamist cutthroats who have served their Western masters faithfully. I mentioned Shia mullahs who betrayed Mossadegh for the British etc. Edward Lansdale used Filipino (muslim and catholic) headchoppers in the early 50s to install an American puppet Magsaysay. It goes on forever.
Vietnamese Buddhists, Chinese and Russian communists and various others resisted. Don’t you see?
Neoliberalism and radical islam seems to me to be to sides of the same coin.
Zionists seems to be the hardest word.
@Sanjin: “And these black bags with a slit and absolute covering of the body is a sick idiocy and an insult to a woman.”
And these blue cloths with their absolute non-filtering of a non-existing virus is a sick idiocy and an insult to the intelligence of the human race.
The enemy within has gotten France not only muzzled but looking in the wrong direction while he steals from MariAnne’s handbag.
Ever heard of Prof. Tariq Ramadan? He was imprisoned in Paris on false charges and was released recently. He is banned in 6 “Muslim” countries. What danger does he posses. He propagates, “Arabic is the language of Quran, but Arab culture is the culture of Islam”. There is no such thing as Islamic culture,
Read him, hear him.
“Arabic is the language of Quran but Arab culture is not the culture of Islam.” Prof. Tariq Ramadan
Sadly today, in the ‘Christian west’, the concept of art, music, fashion is that beauty can be ugly, songs can be without verse, fashion can be rags, good can be evil and common sense can be nonsence. Exploiting these concepts we eventually get to Epstein’s Island where the elite were busy testing those theories.
This examines the West’s devolution of the democratic dogma. That the US can throw up two ignorant, half educated bumbling liars to run for the highest office in the land only confirms the devolution of that society. Regarding the ‘democratic’ part half the population feel it useless to vote and regarding the dogma … here Fido have a bone.
This short video examines these issues (my paintings and some famous nudes!)
Sadly the ‘Christian West’ is no longer Christian. Even within Christian churches, the spirit of Jesus is missing or has long left the building.
Truth is becoming a rare commodity these days.
The society of the West is only surviving (imo) on the remnants of Christianity but, we are being forced to dismantle, disregard and remove all of the foundations that we once regarded as ‘normal and basic’ in our society. These remnants won’t last much longer.
Just on Covid…. We were once a faith based society which we took for granted but now, we are being forced to become a fear based society where, each of us is now a potential threat to everyone else and therefore, we MUST cover our faces because of the fear that we may sicken others.
The majority of ‘people’ of the West are not involving themselves in the modern and, forced diktats as a rejection of these Christian qualities or morals. Many don’t even realise.
This dismantling of our societies foundations has happened at a quickened rate and has been forced down our collective throats while we’re constantly being told that it’s ‘good for us’ and ‘normal’ and the ‘fruit of advanced culture’.
Most older westerners are bereft of knowing how this has happened, how to stop it or who is making it happen. We have been dictated to for the past 40 years.
It has forced so many older westerners to isolate and look after themselves and become an audience of what’s happening rather than a participant in their society. They are simply looking after themselves the best they can.
Of course, I am speaking ‘in general terms’ but there is a truth to what I’m stating.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for, you get the same policies.
Concerning those who participate in the degradation of our social foundations well, sin always attracts because it promises pleasure and fulfilment but, the wages of sin is……. death.
And, death is what’s happening to the West and her so called culture. It’s only a matter of time now.
It seems you reached the same general conclusion I reached as soon as I read the headline of the first head removal. The western world appears more outraged over these incidents than the total destruction of an entire country like Libya.
National Zionism is a form of Fascism, and history shows us that Fascists are easily led by other forces. Now, one can debate who and what those more invisible forces are and what their intentions are exactly, but it’s clear to me at least that Zionism is just one tentacle of this octopus.
The Iranians are a whole lot more shrewd than most Arabs.
A few years ago, this whole cartoons circus began in denmark. As usual the Zionists were behind it, just as they were behind Wilders, Tommy Robinson, etc., etc.
The Iranians reacted quite shrewdly to these provocations.
When the Sarkozies and their ilk blithely declared, “This is free speech, everyone has the right to say absolutely anything they want, nobody has the right not to be offended, these are just some cartoons, where’s your sense of humour, yadda, yadda, yadda……….”
An Iranian newspaper organised a competition for who could draw the most offensive cartoons about the “holocaust.” You could win a car or something. Then they published the winners, things like Anne Frank in bed with Adolf Hitler. (The western cartoons had shown Mohammed with the head of a pig, having sex with a pig, etc.)
Cue howls of outrage from Sarkozy, Merkel, etc., “Grossly offensive, totally unacceptable, shouldn’t be allowed, etc., etc.”
To which the Iranians replied with injured innocence, “Free speech, just a few cartoons, where’s your sense of humour, yadda, yadda, yadda……………”
They made their point without harming anyone – “you respect our sacred cows, maybe we’ll respect yours.”
You keep poking a dog with a stick, it’s going to bite you.
Whatever the cause, I have noticed that FOX and the U.S. security establishment is using this to deceive the ignorant masses into connecting this to Iran.
1. ISIS is ‘defeated’ so it’s a perfect time to get a new whipping boy.
2. This morning FOX does a story on the French terrorist attacks and then immediately cuts away to an interview w/an idiot Congressman talking about Iran, a 2014 tweet by the Ayatollah.
3. This evening, FOX does an encore by reporting on the French terrorist attacks and then immediately doing a story on Iranian revenge plots against U.S. Pentagon officials because of Soleimani.
Now FOX did not say that Iran was behind the terrorist attacks in France, they just wrapped Iran around it to intentionally confuse their viewers.
Disgraceful but predictable. The West has always financed Wahhabi/Salafi/ISIS radicalism. Saudi Arabia literally hangs people at the public square.
Puritans like other Puritans. They don’t like Islam with “Persian characteristics”. Nor an autarchic-socialized economy.
… because FOX is owned by Australian-born, American zionist Rupert Murdoch
My concern is that the West may slowly be preparing for an eventual conflict with all religious believers, simply because they hold views that are not subject to state control.
Hajduk, the “West” already has this conflict with religious believers in an edict which forbids religious assembly through fear of infection by imaginary virus Con-19.
So imaginary, that thousands of Iranians are dying from it.
Do you really believe that?
Oh yes, the old” divide the masses” ploy. I am waiting for the Antifa types in the USA to start blowing up Churches because of their anti-homosexuality beliefs. Clearly Bibles must be burned as “hate literature”. (snark)
Hopefully the Yellow Vests will come up with some slogan that slices through the canard that “free speech” is what this is all about in France. How about ” Liberty, equality, fraternity …respect and a decent wage.”
This is exactly my concern. I watched the recent news from the US, thinking, ‘Will they go for the churches?’.
These attacks against Islam may well be a test run for a future campaign against Christianity, and indeed all faiths. There are considerable doctrinal differences between religions, but we all believe in the existance of a higher spiritual reality, and in the universal power of Love. So we must stick together and resist attempts to set us against one another. Our mutual foe is an extreme form of secular scientism, which tolerates no other views but its own.
Our mutual foe are bankers and big tech who push society into a economic ratrace and a virtual life. I haven’t seen in my whole life such a divided society in the west, everybody is fighting everybody and people live a secluded virtual life. It is truly sad.
Everyone here should read the latest article by Israel Shamir on this topic imo.
I am truely impressed.
yes – if the western populations united with Islam politically – it would be all over for the globalists…Islam must be their greatest fear – Islamic people and the religion is so fearless.
I wish we could all get together to overcome evil western elites.
Muslim mentality is that of religious fanaticism & extremism.
Of course they have their beliefs but they are not a tolerant people, that’s a fact. Their viewpoint is incompatible with a western – European way of life.
And Muslims are full of double standards.
1) They blame “European colonialism” but what about Islamic colonialism ? What about Turkish colonialism?
There are so many examples of Muslim colonialism in European lands like the Arab khalifates, Arab emirate of Andalusia (Arab occupation of Spanish lands, Tatar slave trade in Crimea, Arab slave trade & abductions in Mediterranean, ottoman empire (occupation of European & Arab lands etc).
Muslims taxed & discriminated against non Muslim subjects, they converted Christian temples to mosques etc , did pogroms to ethnic or religious minorities. They have no right to play the victim card.
Terrific atrocities were committed by Muslim conquerors. Massacres, pogroms, executions, pillaging, rapes etc
2) Erdogan blames Macron for racism and desecration of islamic beliefs….
but Erdogan desecrated the temple of Hagia Sofia which was originally a Christian orthodox temple (and a museum under Atatürk).
Turkish politicians said that they could do whatever they like because their ottoman ancestors conquered Constantinople. Yet, Turks intervene in other countries affairs or claim other people’s lands, and they incite hatred against other people (French, Greeks, Armenians, Syrians, Russians etc)
Erdogan and Turks (or Pakistanis, Muslims whatever) have no right to intervene to French internal issues and to demand prohibitions because they are offended. France is not ruled by dictator Erdogan and his cronies
Erdogan has invaded several countries, many of his statements are racist hate speech against other peoples and nationalities. Its ridiculous for Erdogan to play the victim. While Erdogan mistreats Syrian Muslims in Turkey, he sends thousands into Europe who easily gain asylum (while Turkey does not give asylum to anyone).
He should apologise for his current actions and the past actions of ottoman empire (which he would like to reform)
Another nut case is mahathir Mohamed (ex prime minister of Malaysia) who stated that French deserve killing…..
This is racist and genocidal hate speech. No much difference to Hitler
3) There is no end to the current tension
Things will get worse due to massive illegal immigration and changing demographics
The solution is simple.
Stop most illegal and legal immigration.
If Muslim migrants don’t like it in Europe, they can move back to their native lands to live a pious islamic life
Muslims have many more rights in Europe than they have in their lands. Let’s not forget that most Muslim countries have ethnically cleansed their non Muslim subjects
The terrorist in Nice was a Tunisian illegal migrant who came to France a month ago ….
This guy illegally moved into France and then committed an atrocity…
Why move to France in the first place ?
Possibly we have to deal with mentally retarded and deranged individuals
4) There are many problems for native European people. Economic hardships, unemployment, social problems. Globalization and the Covid crisis has caused many problems
Terrorism is another one
European elites and political leaders are to blame for making lives miserable and unsafe. They promote and tolerate mass illegal immigration and terrorist infiltration
But that doesn’t mean that Muslim leaders (etc Erdogan, Khan, ) are any way better than Macron etc. They are scums, corrupt, evil and rotten to the core
What you’ve written fits the thoughts of somebody who’s obviously not travelled far from his cave.
If Muslims were as you described, there would not be a moment of peace in the last 1400 years. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Occupied Palestine would not be continuously guarded by Muslims for generations, Maimonides would not have been Saladin’s doctor and would not have written his Mishneh Torah, Jews would not have been sheltered in Muslim lands after the Reconquista in the Iberian peninsula, etc etc.
Mahathir Mohammed maintains a blog. Why don’t you read what he really wrote about what happened in France instead of getting it second-hand from the media?
In his predominantly Muslim country, there are several streets with churches, mosques and temples located cheek by jowl. They have been there for centuries.
Wasn’t it France that made Algeria part of ‘Metropolitan France’ and didn’t France kill 875,000 native Algerians in that war of conquest? Some experts call it a genocide.
But despite that you’d also be unaware that there are war graves in (gasp!) France interring the remains of Muslim soldiers who fought for France in World War I. Their headstones read “Mort Pour La France” (gasp!).
BTW, the Saker has published an illuminating article by Cynthia Chung. Invest some of your time reading and digesting it. It may help you to make some sense of the world.
Mahathir comments make no sense.
He claims that Muslims have everyright to kill french people because of colonialism but Muslims refrain from killing french
Well, first of all, Muslims do not have any right to kill french (even though they have killed french people in numerous terrorist attacks).
Secondly, not all french people are the same and french people do not bear responsibility for elites decisions. French elites decided and benefit from colonialism. Not the common French men. Mahathir and Malaysian elites do business with French and western multinationals, and enrich their wealth
Finally, mahathir has no say in French laws and affairs. If he’s offended , then it’s his problem. He’s not a Frenchman and French laws and freedom of expression will not be decided by Muslims.
Mahathir should apologise about his racist and corrupt politics in Malaysia (discrimination against Chinese, Indians etc) and his racist rhetoric (comments about French and Jews)
I’m not here to defend Mahathir Mohammed; he can take care of himself.
But I got really interested in Mahathir (and Russia) when in 2003 as chairman of the OIC he made a very unusual move. He invited a youngish Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin to his country to deliver a speech to leaders from 57 Muslim countries who were assembling in Malaysia for a meeting. VVP was invited to elaborate on Russia’s attitude towards Islam and to address RF’s actions in Chechnya during the Second Chechen War, seen by many in the Muslim world as another Russian assault on Muslims. Needless to say that speech opened the eyes of many around the world who still saw Russia as the old Soviet Union at that time. For the first time they saw and understood what Putin and Russia were about.
Mahathir Mohammed has long seen the West for what it is — a tool of the Zionists. He works with the tool but he doesn’t trust them. For example he okayed this video about the Malaysian MH17 shootdown. The video asks several good questions of the Ukrainians, the Dutch and the Australians.
Same thing with Huawei which was coming under Western presssure. He said publicly — in Japan — that he saw no problems with working with Huawei and other Chinese companies despite Western allegations of spying.
Like I said he has a blog. When I was a frequent visitor some years ago, I recall he had several long conversations with an Israeli who complained about his ‘antisemitism’. Why don’t you address your demands directly to him via his blog?
Can someone tell us what anti-colonialist grudges a 21 years old Tunisian ‘refugee’ (fleeing Tunisia, that’s it) to push him to attack a church, shouting Allahu Akbar all the way? Can someone tell us why the fact that the attacks are invariably directed at Christians and Christian symbols is always obfuscated and insisted that it has ‘nothing to do with Islam’, accusing critics of Islam of ‘bigotry’ and ‘not knowing Islam’?
But are the words of Mahomet not Islam?:
Sura al-Tawbah (Repentance):
“This is] a [declaration of] repudiation by Allah and His Apostle [addressed] to the ‘mushrikun’ (‘associators’ – term applied to Christians, Muslim and Jewish philosophers identifying belief in the Trinity with the heresy of shirk, in Arabic, (or shituf in Hebrew), meaning “associationism”, in limiting the infinity of God by associating his divinity with physical existence) with whom you had made a treaty:
Travel [unmolested] in the land for four months, but know that you cannot thwart Allah, and that Allah shall disgrace the faithless.
[This is] an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to all the people on the day of the greater ḥajj: that Allah and His Apostle repudiate the ‘mushrikun’: If you repent that is better for you; but if you turn your backs [on Allah], know that you cannot thwart Allah, and inform the faithless of a painful punishment
barring the ‘mushrikun’ with whom you have made a treaty, and who did not violate any [of its terms] with you, nor backed anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them until [the end of] its term. Indeed Allah loves the Godwary).
Then, when the sacred months have passed, kill the ‘mushrikun’ wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and maintain the prayer and give the zakāt, then let them alone. Indeed Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful”.
Contextually this is an announcement declaring the end of the Treaty of Hudaiybiyah, the terms of which has been broken by some of the polytheists.
Please note that the treaty was ordered to be fulfilled to it’s full term with those polytheists who had abided by its conditions. However when the term of the treaty ends, war should be resumed as it was prior to the signing of the treaty.
I don’t see the problem. This is how treaties work.
The Saker tends to underestimate the threat from radical Islam. Just because French Zionists try to manage and exploit radical Islam for their own purposes, it doesn’t mean that there is no radical Islam threat, and it doesn’t mean that some Muslim countries won’t use radical Islam as dominant political ideology.
Here is the link for the photograph that Turkish soldiers made during First Balkan War. The photograph was published in Serbian newspaper chronicle in 1912. Turkish soldiers were proud that they cut heads of Serbian civilians during that war. Keep in mind that this is regular Turkish army with chain of command, not some crazy radical Islamists.
Germans and Austro-Hungarians in WW1 and WW2 were no better. They all are enemies of Serbian people, including NATO countries that participated in 1999 bombing. But, of course, not each and every German, Austrian and US American are enemies of Serbian people. The countries are, and that’s what is relevant. I can have German friend but still the Germany is enemy country. Just because there are decent and good Turks that doesn’t mean that Turkey is friendly country. In the same way, just because there are some decent and good Muslims it doesn’t mean that Islam in general is friendly religion. After all, it’s not only Christians that have problems with Muslim aggression, there are Hindus, Budhists, etc.
As Carl Schmitt rightly said the purpose of politics is clear recognition of enemies.
Thank you for this. While I understand the Saker’s need to counter the Zionist propaganda, there is no doubt in my mind that one has to be careful with political Islam which most often sides with those same zionists and against any nation that opposes them (from the Ottoman empire’s German jihad, Shia mullahs against Mosadegh, Himmler’s Moslem SS legions and various modern inheritors of those cut-throat Turks. Being opposed to political Islam doesn’t mean hating Moslems (as the hatred of Zionizm doesn’t imply hatred of Jews).
You judge people based on whether they are friend or foe to the Serbs? How magnificently enlightened of you.
So, the Turks cut off some heads. That’s very barbaric. But what does it have to do with Islam? Are you claiming that no one ever cut off a head before Islam? Or that no non-Muslim ever cut off a head?
The behavior of Turkish savages who pretended to be Muslim so that civilized people would take them seriously and not look down on them has nothing to do with Islam, radical or otherwise. The Turks and Mongols were committing barbarities when they worshipped Tengri as well.
Radical Islam is an invention of the Zionists with help from their Arab idiots.
Why does no one talk about Omar Khayyam or Rumi or Sadi or Hafez or Attar or Ferdowsi or Farabi or Khawrazmi or Avicenna or Biruni or Mansur Hallaj or Bayazid Bastami or Saeb Tabrizi when they talk about Islam?
Everyone here who is generalizing and attacking all Muslims as a group is just a racist.
I can’t believe I have to come out and say this, as I am not a kindergarten teacher, but there are good and bad people everywhere. Being a Muslim does not make someone bad, just like being a Christian, or a Serb, does not make a person good.
Judging all Muslims by the actions of Turkic barbarians is like judging all Christians based on the actions of the Catholic Church, or all the people of the world based on the actions of the Zionist elite.
There is no threat of radical Islam, because radical Islam is a Zionist puppet, which they are using brilliantly, if the comments here are any gauge.
Recognition of enemies? How ironic that you’d end your post with that.
Thank you for this comment Jamshyd.
In response to Ivan, Buddhists don’t have a problem with ‘Muslim aggression’. The millions of Bangladeshi economic migrants pouring into Myanmar are a problem, but not a religious one, despite US attempts to rebrand them as ‘Rohingya’. The insurrection in Southern Thailand is due to the Thai royal family’s continuing occupation of the Sultanate of Patani, which is a case of simple land grabbing. The massacre of monks and the destruction of the great library of Nalanda in 1200CE was carried out by an Afghan Turkish warlord, who was a very long way from being a representative of Islam. Anyway, in Buddhism if you hold negative views about the faith of others it is believed to directly undermine your own faith. Buddhism has no conflict with other religions, indeed the only true religious war is one that is fought against one’s own internal weaknesses.
As for Turkey, I read recently that Turks are only 20% Turkic, in terms of genetics, and Azerbaijanis only 8%.
Anatolia had been occupied for well over 3000 years before the Turks came from Central Asia. They were nomadic warlords like the Mongols. How many do you think came West as compared to the people already present? Most “Turks” today are Turkified Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, and other indigenous Anatolians.
Same goes for “Arabs” in the Levant and North Africa.
You speak of enlightenment? Perhaps you’re unaware of its meaning? I have yet to read one enlightened thought in any of your selfish diatribes. Talk about irony.
“So a couple of heads get decapitated”. Your ignorance and intolerance for any historical truth not conducive to your obsession with the Jews and Zionists, knows no bounds. Im sure, given the chance, you’d be one of the good guys, Western European empires have nurtured for a millennia. Goose stepping in unison, just like in WWII, with the Catholic Nazi crusaders as many Muslims have done in every major war pitting the east and west. I know many Iranians who are honest about history and certainly not lacking of compassion, Thank God.
You accused me of bigotry, some nefarious bias against Iran, in one of your many diatribes, while hijacking the comment section of an article detailing Catholic barbarity against the Vietnamese Nation.
You are a wonderful compliment to the Vatican defenders of the indefensible. A perfectly orchestrated symbiosis between these “enemies” that has caused untold misery of non catholic, non Muslim, indigenous people for centuries. People who have been most tolerant and welcoming of Muslims and never looked to invade Persia or the Arab lands.
I have compassion for the good common folk of western countries, dealing with the consequences of their government’s purposely orchestrated torment, of their own populations. I certainly feel great sadness for the plight of the overwhelming majority of good people from the religion of Islam.
I do find it incredibly insulting having to listen to bigots in Western Europe, lashing out at the Islamic faith instead of their own governments. I find it equally insulting have to listen to your bigoted denouncing of any other people other than Iranians. Guess what, Iran’s current bravery against the oppressors of humanity and tolerance for others, is to be lauded and celebrated. But there’s a few nations who’ve exhibited these traits and fostered multiculturalism throughout their existence and whose roots are even older than ancient Persia. Your purposeful disrespect and lack of acknowledgement for other’s history is despicable.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt before and chose not to spend another minute on your intolerant ramblings. But enough! Your lack of compassion and understanding for anyone other than Iranians and your obvious hate for others, is just as sinful and disgusting as the elite western cabal’s attempts to demonize Muslims for their own nefarious reasons. I’ll gladly wear the “emotional” moniker you’ve already given me. I know your bigoted perspective will never change. Like I said before, your intolerance and ignorance of others are why it will always be impossible for good people of all faiths and creeds, to rise up and destroy the evil that governs the world. It’s a shame, really.
You sound very angry. Are you ok?
I think you are going to have a heart attack eventually if you keep throwing these tantrums.
And I have to tell you, you and your mates are making all Serbs look bad. But I will not generalize and condemn all Serbs, because of a few irate lunatics.
Get that temper under control, mate.
you always refer to Iran and how wonderfully you all coexist there, so why cannot Ivan and Anubis talk about what is happening in Serbia and some of the difficulties of coexistence that occurred over there?
Sorry, Serbian Girl,
I don’t live in Serbia. What exactly are you referring to?
your excellent comment describes the alliance of West with ISiS-like elements (German -Ottomans Jihadis, Himmler SS Jihadis) which is what we experienced in our part of the world.
And I will do my best to expose the dangers of islamism at all times. Remember, not everybody falls for the jihadis vs. jesuits canard. The fact that the West is rotten does not mean that its islamist frenemy isn’t.
A good point to remember.
My view is that Muslims often put people in the West to shame for their adherence to traditional morality and social mores, but with my beliefs my admiration only goes so far and my love for what I see as the Truth goes further, in charity and love for my fellow human beings of course.
We have always live in a ”multipolar” world, although the Cold War once obscured that reality for a generation, and the sad truth is that not everyone is going to get along, even in a group of people opposed to the present trajectory of the Western elites plans for the rest of the world.
Serbia is the most multi-ethnic, multi religious country in the region. Being at a geographical crossroads, we have also faced down the most extremist ideology both of the Christian and Muslim variety.
You could do far worse than to listen to the Serbs .
Perhaps if Iranians had been paying attention back in the 1990s they would have realised that Bosnian Muslims overwhelmingly support muslim leader Fikret Abdic a friend & ally of Serbia….like that you wouldn’t have sent your troops to fight for the imposter Alija Izetbegovic who was supported by Saudi Arabia…
Let me state what I know – for all those who say that the Serbs are irrelevant. There are over 100 protestant denominations in Vojvodina (Northern Serbia). Serbia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world and you should be proud of that. As far as the islamist takeover of Bosnia, I suggest our friend Jamshyd study the documents and reliable sources. Stand proud and take no… rubbish from anybody.
We are not judging “all Muslims by the actions of Turkic barbarians”, but the Muslims who approve and applaud the actions of the Turkic barbarians, and unfortunately there are a lot of them. Muslims around the world exulted at the act of Erdogan defiling the Hagia Sophia and obliterating its superb icons when the Muslims bleat their ‘prayers’ that “ill-fate befall the Christians”.
On the following link you will find a graphic depiction of the terrorist actions against Serb civilians in the Srebrenica region which the west and muslim world refuse to give attention to or even punish the perpetrators. Alija Izetbegovic gave orders to the muslim commander (naser oric) of demilitarized safe haven Srebrenica to commit terrorist acts against serb civilians as to lure Serb forces away from Sarajevo to Srebrenica and provoke a Nato intervention:
To the sunni wahabbis, deobandis, barelvis you shias, ahmaddiya islam and other religions are apostates and infidels to be murdered and whose women can be taken as sex slaves. There are such fatwas on several sunni religious websites. Sunni Islam is very genocidal in nature I. E. Yazid, aurangzeb, ottoman empire, timur, Ahmad Shah abadali, spread of sunni Islam in Africa etc. At least Shia Islam is much less violence oriented that is why shias are only 9 to 10 percent of the Islamic population.
And looking at the trends I think a big war on Iran is coming. The radical sunnis and Israelis are creating conditions for a coming attack on Iran via the nagarno karakabh war. Iran and russia should impose a ceasefire on nagarno karabakh before it is too late.
I don’t think you fully exhausted the list of our enemies. They come in all sorts of packages.
That is absolutely disgusting and a heavy stain on Russia’s foreign policy conduct. Perhaps Jamshyd is right in saying that the Zionists rule Russia.
There are no words to describe the depth of treachery of the Russian leadership. A couple of days after a feeble Bolivia annulled the results of a fascist coup d’etat and cocked a snook at the hegemon, the mighty Russia bowed its head before its most satanic of its enemies – the Nazi Croats – all for a few dollars more.
If people do not understand the significance of the gesture of the Russian ambassador, let us just say that, even if he were to disgrace his (worn out and sloppy) uniform by betraying the Serbs, he has done something much worse – he has betrayed Russia’s own victims on the orders of his bosses. For Croats were among the most highly motivated Nazi troops attacking Stalingrad. They had killed many, many Soviet soldiers and were never called to account.
Suffice it to say that after this, there can be no going back. Unless Russian government repudiate this vile act immediately and publicly apologise to over one million innocent Serb victims whom they have deeply insulted with this ill-advised gesture, I predict a rapid atrophying of links between the Serbs and Russians and a complete collapse of Russia’s prestige in the Balkans. Eternal shame to the betrayers of the memory of Stalingrad and Jasenovac.
In the absence of an immediate apology to the Serbs and withdrawal of the unfortunate diplomat from Zagreb, I shall stop contributing to this blog and will try to invest my time in more meaningful enterprises. Thanks again to the Saker for giving me a voice.
I do not dispute the historical facts that you have gathered and that you cite. And I wouldn’t want to get into a controversy about it. It is not right to call the Croatian people Nazis and enemies of the Russian people. Nor to the enemies of the Serbian people. Take a look at the map of Europe and you will see what Croatia looks like today, bitten in the shape of a crust of bread. This is where the mighty Ottoman Empire that ruled Bosnia and Serbia for 500 years and further east came to a halt. Croats and Serb frontiersmen did that. Croats, wherever and whenever they fought, fought with all their strength and heart. Like partisans, like Ustashas. The bloodstains on our history are our thing to deal with. No Anglos who are responsible for almost all wars in the world have the right to judge anyone. You start wars and then you complain that it’s not fair because there’s a lot of blood and the carpets are stained with blood. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you personally, but you could reduce the experience a bit because I know the story of witnesses how British paratroopers on orders from London shot at children returning from school just to quarrel with Serbs and Croats to incite an uprising against fascists, Nazis and everyone else. The British commandos did not want to carry out the order for some time, but at the insistence of London they still shot at the children so as to wound them and not kill them. Of course, there was revenge between the villages and the Ustashas also appeared. You can be really proud. ***
As for the Russian ambassador, he bowed at Tudjman’s grave because Tudjman was a partisan in WWII and first president. Just because of that. Not because he was an antipathetic nationalist.
I strayed from the topic. I’m sorry. As far as the topic itself is concerned, an insecure and troubled Europe suits only America. Zionists. Maybe . Jews – no. There are many more of them in the world than in Israel. The pandemic and anti-pandemic measures increasingly look like part of a larger plan. And all with clues, no way to see the evidence. Not enough for a serious discussion.
We are not talking about incidents, we are talking about well defined and deliberate policies.
I have been very harsh on the Germans, but will happily concede – they have always been faithful to their allies, they never betrayed them. Despite my opposition to the German imperialism I can only juxtapose this noble trait with the treacherous manoeuvring of a Russian government desperate for acceptance by its Western betters. Being kicked in the gonads by Viktor Orban, attacked by the Japanese re the Kurils and so on, they are now considering increasing gas supplies to the Ukraine.
It is not their fault after all but mine – for seeing things that were not there.
Don’t lose hope now. There are layers to this development, and the Russian Elites are not a monolith.
I’m with Vlad on this one; don’t lose hope, Ken.
Dear Vladimir and Jamshyd,
Thank you for your support but I really am completely irrelevant here. I’ll never lose hope in the greatness of the Russian soul or the patriotism of president Putin. However, Russian government has just betrayed its own unique historical commandment – remembrance of the heroic sacrifice of WWII. This places it on the same level as any other Zionist puppet client regime. Some things are not done – ever.
Nah man, if you’re irrelevant, we’re all irrelevant.
If I may give you some advice, Ken, don’t take the world so seriously. None of us are getting out alive, so to speak.
If you decide to keep writing and contributing, do it just for the hell of it, not because you hope that your actions are going to change the world.
Have hope instead for your own personal salvation. Life is short, and precious, don’t waste it being upset about worldly matters which are, quite frankly, all irrelevant at the end of the day.
Thank you for the advice, we probably are all irrelevant.
I am not having a fit or taking myself too seriously. Yes, it’s all a farce but there is only so much farce one can take.
How do you draw inspiration from something that has disappointed you horribly?
Anyway, let’s see what happens.
I am disappointed by my country and the world on a daily basis, mate. Join the club.
Inspiration comes from the spirit, not from the world.
Sure, but this is the first time in 30 years that I reacted to something like this.
I too think President Putin is a patriot, although his basic ideology differs from mine. That is not to say that this is some ”9-dimensional chess move” or something of an excuse. I know many people felt betrayed with what they thought was not enough being done to help the people of the Donbass, among other problematic flare-ups caused by the enemy actions.
Of course Serbia is a primary target, of course Russia is as well. And they will find collaborators, just as they found General Vlasov and his ”ROA” during the Great Patriotic War. Not all Russian souls are ”great”, but collectively so, they certainly are.
The time will come when the rest of the world sees that too, from Russia, from the Slavic peoples.
without western sponsors and illegal weapons from the former soviet union going into the hands of Croatian, Slovenian and Bosnian separatists there probably would not have been a civil war in Yugoslavia.
interesting article about illegal arms smuggling to Croatia and Slovenia with Vatican and Russian/Ukrainian involvement:
You can find more articles on this topic if your search google, apparently many more countries were involved sabotaging the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia by providing arms and finances to separatists before the war broke out.
Whole non-orthodox West was arming catholic Croats against orthodox Serbs. So did Russia, however it didn’t smuggle the weapons to Croats it simply supplied them contrary to UN sanctions.
While I’m ready to believe that the Russian government under Yeltsin/Kozyrev assisted the Croats, there is little evidence that they did so openly beyond making available the avalanche of weapons pouring from the Ukraine. Nevertheless, I am very much aware of the ambiguous posture of the Russians (including Putin) vis-a-vis the war in Yugoslavia. The very fact that Oluja, the greatest episode of ethnic cleansing in modern history wasn’t challenged by any Russian governments which continue to woo the Croats speaks volumes.
My Jova, now I will tell you something that few people know. I was in the 9th Guards Brigade in Gospic in ’90. We received brand new Zastava M70AB (AK47, for those who don’t know) directly from Serbia in exchange for fuel. And even before Operation “Oluja”.
im in awe . Charlie hedbo was purchased by rothschilds a few months before the satirical cartoons were published. it had published cartoons mocking jews. to great debate and angst of antisemitic hate crimes. but doing exactly the same is free speech when on the other foot. totally agree a whole nation is being held ransom to an agenda
Please elaborate on what you mean by “consecrate Russia”. It is simply a shorthand for “convert Russia to Catholicism by fair means and foul (especially through genocides like Croatia, Krajina, Ukraine, Western Byelorussia). Do not take this personally, but I assure you that the only consecrating you’ll experience will come from the turrets of T-34s once they enter the Vatican and Berlin.
It is great that an ex-Nazi Germanised Slav (Ratz = Serb) remains your ersatz God. Please stay away from Russia and true Christianity.
You do realise that I was joking – I don’t wish anything bad on the Vatican or anybody else – as long as they remove themselves from Russia’s borders. If you keep insisting on “consecrating Russia”, there will be trouble – and not from the comfort-loving freemasons but from those who have had enough of the Catholic aggression.
All I hear from you is an unacceptable religious fascism which has caused so much suffering. Here (and I deliberately omit Latin America) are the RC scumbags who loved doing some converting. You must hate them as well as a true Christian:
Germany: Hitler, Adenauer
Belgium: Ruled directly but a hotbed of collaboration (400000 prosecuted after the war; Degrelle and Christus Rex)
Ireland: De Valera
Portugal: De Rivera
Croatia Pavelic, Stepinac
Hungary Horthy, Mindszenty
Austria: Seipel, Schuschnigg, Seyss-Inquart
Lithuania: Ruled directly but a hotbed of collaboration and genocide
The Ukraine: Ruled directly but the epicentre of Uniate-organised genocide and holocaust; Bandera, Stetsko, Shukhevich
“Portugal: De Rivera” – Disgraceful ignorance! Now… if “De Rivera” is your pronounciation for “Oliveira Salazar” you are really needing a big deal of therapy…
Thank you – too many RC fascists so I start to get them mixed up. I’m sure I’ve missed some… like Pacelli, Wojtyla, Kurt Waldheim, Franz Josef Strauss. So many fascist traitors and yet it’s Protestant Quisling who remains branded. Strange, no?
Yes, but many (Pacelli, Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio etc) had a particular proclivity for fascism/nazism.
John Paul I who was a good Christian lasted only a month in that cesspit. No?
Quite the contrary. ”Fatima” is a Satanic deception that was problematic theologically even by the problematic theological standards of the RCC, as even John Paul II once noted. I have little need to counter ”Fatima” itself, as we were warned that even the Devil can appear as an ”Angel of Light” and that in the Last Days we would be struck with many ”signs and lying wonders” from the father of lies. Russia will never convert ,to submit to the Papal ”church”, because Russia already is the sacred portion of the Mother of God, Russia maintains the Orthodox Christian Faith, the true ”One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” which Old Rome left in pursuit of worldly power ages ago now and fell into Trinitarian and other heresies, into schism, now ”Babylon the Great” is graceless and without Christ.
There are those who say too much concerning the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of God, and dishonor her and blaspheme God by those lies, same as those who do so by saying too little of her and say lies by those means.
Thank you Vladimir. These subtle theological points hide hide a much more prosaic truth – that these apparitions are used to rally the troops at critical times. (Fatima – Soviet revolution, Medjugorje – destruction of Yugoslavia). The Popes always maintained plausible deniability and chose to support the farce when it suited them and to distance themselves when the heat became too much.
Sure, I agree with that as the political consequence of these phenomena of course, however I do not deny that the phenomena happened, either. I just do not believe that these mysterious supernatural events came from God.
Ratzinger still runs things in the Vatican with Francis as the new ”face” of the RCC to the world, with Bishop Ganswein (as the Prefect of the Papal Household) as Ratzinger’s and Bergoglio’s go-between.
Interesting… Bergoglio is the “white hand” and Ratzinger the black one.
It’s an important set up for a Vatican in the midst of a Strategic and Dialectical transition to it’s next phase.
Islamic majority countries are not tolerant countries.
Even though many Muslim-majority countries have had sizable ethnic and religious minorities, we see a trend of ethnic cleansing, pogroms, forced emigrations, civil strife, discrimination and persecution.
One notable example is Turkey whose government is very vocal against Emanuel Macron and France
Erdogan may talks rubbish about France or other countries and always plays the victim card but his government and his country has an appalling record in treating ethnic and religious minorities.
The language of Turkish media and Turkish elites is also comparable to Hitlerite phraseology, using racialist-religious terms, extreme nationalism and fascistic slogans, and offending other nationalities.
Lets not forget that:
* Armenians were slaughtered by Turks, eliminating their presence in Turkey (in lands were they formed significant percentage of population and had ancient presence and history). Lets not forget that in Nagorno Karabakh conflict, Turkey stands by muslim brothers Azeris and threatens Armenia….
* Greek Christians were also expelled in 1921, terminating their presence in modern Turkey. Even though the lands of modern Turkey had so many cities founded and history linked to Ancient Greece and greek-speaking Roman Empire. Even the names of Turkish cities are derived from the Greek names (Istanbul means to the city “Is tin polin” in Greek, Izmir means Smirni etc)
The last remnants of Greeks in Istanbul (also the islands of Imvros & Tenedos) were forced to emigrate due to state sanctioned pogroms and discrimination in 1950-60s. This was in violation of peace agreements for the protection of minorities. On the other hand, Greece allowed Muslims to live in Greek Thrace and they still live there.
*Lets also not forget the persecution of Kurds, a sizable minority in Turkey (who are majority muslim by the way).
* The conversion of Hagia Sophia to a mosque by Erdogan. This was a deliberate move to offend Christian people. Imagine if a non muslim government converted a historically significant muslim mosque into a christian church….
So the so called “cosmopolitan” Turkey has cleansed its lands from any religious or ethnic minority.
Not only that but the nationalist and islamo-fascist Turkish elites have the audacity to demand from western countries to end freedom of religion and expression because they get offended….
Go figure …..
But even in Asian countries, we see these trends.
1) In Malaysia, a muslim-majority country there is discrimination against the significant Chinese minority (20% of population). This was a case that led to Singaporean independence from Malaysia, a majority Chinese (with sizable Indian population) city state.
Ex Malaysian prime minister Mahathir even claimed that French people deserve to be killed because of past wrongdoings and by offending Islam. Mahathir did not even distinct between the French elites and common French people. All deserve to die according to Mahathir…
In muslim-majority Indonesia too, Chinese have been targets for discrimination.
2) Pakistan discriminates against religious minorities with blasphemy laws and other religious laws. Compare the Pakistani situation with the more tolerant Indian one. Even though India has many more minorities than Pakistan, it treats its minorities (including muslims) a lot better than Pakistan treats Christians and other minorities.
Your whole premise is very simplistic and very biased imo. Today I have no energy to reply to every point raised. But i did want to share that you are wrong about the ex prime minister of Malaysia and Malaysia in general. I have lived in Malaysia and saw people live in harmony with each other.
Please read the ex prime minister’s blog and how his tweet was taken out of context:
I’m not biased, I’m writing about facts.
As for Malaysia, there is discrimination in Malaysia in favour of the Muslim native population. The government gives preferential treatment to Muslim citizens even though there are sizable minorities of Chinese, Indians and others.
Just imagine if France had a white French /Catholic first policy and officially and legally discriminated against black or Muslim citizens
As for the ex prime minister of Malaysia, his comments are disgusting and increase hatred.
Same for Erdogan ….
They have no right to criticize foreign countries and their freedom of expression or to threaten the French people. France is not a Muslim country, it does not follow islamic principles. This is an attempt to enforce islamic ideas into western way of life
Its also hypocritical.
These politicians and their cronies have enriched themselves by doing business deals with western multinationals. Both Turkey and Malaysia depend on western investment and have trade deals in place
Turkey threatens EU members while benefits from the custom union with EU….
I was in Penang in 1976, after the Malay massacre of the Chinese. Very little harmony.
Some commentator on a The American Conservative article said that Mahathir’s tweet could be seen as an example of “wokeness”. What are your thoughts?
I’m curious as to your thoughts on how this ties to the rift that seems to be happening between France and Turkey. France is opposing Turkey in both Syria and Libya, and is supporting Greece against Turkish provocations. I’m not naive enough to believe France would lift a finger to help Greece and only supports them to counter Turkey, but I have to ask, why?
Are they fighting for control of the MB? I think it’s likely Libya will be permanently split in two, so the MB will get their own little terrorist state based in Tripoli. By supporting both Haftar and Greece, will they be able to cut off Turkey from their little project? The “patriotic reaction” would prove useful in getting public support for whatever venture they’re planning, but all this has to be more than just a distraction from local problems.
edit: I just read your linked article and understand your position a little better. So what purpose is all this in the context of a greater France v Turkey? Is France being used by some as a tool and being pushed into a confrontation against Turkey? Is Erdogan a rogue? But why then support the Turks in Armenia? To anger Russia?
Just to add to this, I think they may be planning to topple Erdogan. Meyssan’s site claims the Gray Wolves are behind the anti-Armenian wannabe pogroms. Why else would they be yelling “Allah Akbar!” in the streets, in France, at this point in time other than to provoke certain feelings from the population. Will it be blamed on Ottomanism that Turkey needs to be saved from?
Y’know, when the attack on Paris allegedly by ISIS – assuming that there is such a thing, which after reading everything I could find on and by the group I am by no means assured – happened, I immediately drew a cartoon contrasting the French support for headchoppers in Syria (“Assad should not exist in this world” – François Hollande) with the alleged shock and horror when those attacks came home. I remember the Fakebook French flagwaggers, and I dumped every single one of them from my contact list. France is the most transparent example of a deliberately set up domestic terrorist situation I know of. It isn’t any coincidence either that this latest “wave of Islamic terrorism” happened just as the Gilets Jaynese reappeared on the streets.
Je suis Hervé. Pas Charlie. The situation in France is predetermined, meaning that France is a Beast Head nation. As are obviously UK ,GER, and others I won’t say now. The data is in and humanity is being manipulated by unseen forces, via MSM and the entertainment biz ,which many people idolize and trust. The three so called Abrahams have one purpose in mind. To bring the Kings of the Earth to battle against Jerusalem. It is inevitable, duh. Written in black and white, which is not stone ,mind you, but to some it is. Blasphemers They are, and Liars, and Thieves. There is a conclusion to the situation, but it won’t go as planned. That’s what I See. Babylon is Fallen, Fallen. The Day of the LORD is nigh in the valley of the conscission.
Thanks Saker, for this dire warning – that is, how I interpret it.
I’ve read the article, the comments, the article of Cynthia Cheung (really good, and has a connection to this one), and then this article again.
Just a few thoughts. I liked this comment:
Freedom of speech? Yeah, when it is *our* speech. Try to critisize zionism or the behavior of the IDF in the USA (particularly Florida). Dare putting question marks in public about the official amount of victims of the Holocaust in Germany, even when you could have a strong case (hint: the Germans were very metaculous in administrating train transports) you would go to jail for 5 years, and this has happened.
Now, I can have some tough humor, being raised with e.g. Monthy Python and Spitting Image. Still that had some subtility around it. Those cartoons of Charlie Hebdo don’t. They are not cartoons, but ‘shocktoons’.
I’ve read some comments about thoughts about Islam and violence. I just want to add, that especially this site, due to some authors and even more some commentators who have shared their warmth and wisdom, have given me a far broader sight on Islam. I’m thankful for that, just saying.
Let’s keep in mind that there is quite some funding from Saudi Arabia into organizations and mosques here in Europe, to inject their wahhabism.
What struck me, that in France some offenders survived. Now, le Gendarme (French police) are no pussies. When someone does some horrendic things, they don’t even bother to arrest him. He will be chased down, surrounded with snipers and shot. One can have thoughts about this with respect to morality and justice -I certainly do- but that’s business there. Or did the orders change and they wanted *exposure*?
There might be an agenda behind it, or when it wasn’t it will be created on the spot.
In the light of this, remember the famous documentary ‘Bowling for Columbine’ of Michael Moore, about the mass shooting in a high school in Colorado. The shooters were gothic and fans of rocker Marilyn Manson and liked to play games.
Afterwards everybody was shouting according to their own agendas. The NRA had to be forbidden. Guns should be forbidden. Violent games should be forbidden. Marilyn Manson should be forbidden.
Marilyn Manson hadn’t performed for a year in the State of Colorado out of respect for the victims. Michael Moore has a short interview with him.
He is quite intelligent, and explains in less than 3 minutes what the problem is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA
(especially his answer to the last question is great).
Hateful cartoons, head chopping extremists, ‘freedom of speech’, etc, etc.: What is the common link? I think the link is oil, as in OIL. The ‘West’, ever on the road to ‘discovery’, suddenly realized that oil-rich countries were populated by ‘backward’ Muslims, who needed to be pushed aside if the oil was to be got at. Those at the receiving end of being pushed out resisted and resented – and then the West ‘discovered’ that Islam nurtured extremism and all sorts of other things not compatible with glorious western civilization. So how to deal with those crazies? Ah, bingo, the West then ‘discovered’ that there were moderate terrorists, with whom deals could be struck, and there were the extreme terrorists with whom no deal could be made.
France now finds itself in the situation where it has plenty of Muslim people but very little control over Muslim oil. Macron has therefore ‘discovered’ it may be at war with radical Islam. I don’t think France will again be able to make a grab for Libya’s oil, but it is likely to try.
As for freedom of speech: what utter crock! Just a few weeks back France imposed heavy fines on one of its dissidents, Alain Sorel, for republishing a nineteenth century book or article that is currently deemed to be politically incorrect. Where was freedom of speech in that case? Try – just you try – criticizing some aspects of Jewish behavior in France or Germany and see how fast you end up in prison.
Now to cartoons. Throughout history wars have been started, declared, and prosecuted through cartoons! A sure way to kickstart a bar fight is to hold up certain kinds of cartoons or to announce that the mother of some customer in the bar is a – – – – -. We saw cartoons a plenty during WW2: where did they lead us if not to greater anger and cruelty? Remember the cartoons starring Saddam Hossein and the Iraqis prior to “shock and awe”? Cartoons about “towelheads” were circulated in USA to rouse the proper war mood. So, these Charlie Hebdo cartoons insulting Islam, its prophet, and Muslims may not be harmless exercises in humor. A more sinister agenda, or at least a racist mindset, lies behind. As for these being an exercise of free speech? Please don’t make me laugh.
The greatest Muslim fighters against injustice have been those that have tempered their faith with a broader humanism and willingness to join forces with other faiths and ideologies. By contrast, religious zealots (ein Fuehrer, ein Volk) have only caused damage both to their countries and the reputation of Islam.
When the incident/s first happened I immediately thought “another Gladio-type event”. The Saker, it seems has the same thought.
It’s quite amazing how off topic commentators have become! In the context of this article it is a futile waste of time to discuss Islam and its merits or crimes. Even if you really hate Islam or are fearful of muslims, wouldn’t you want to be sure that your own prejudices were not being used against you?
With great respect, it is a cheap and unworthy smear to say people hate Islam. If anything, we hate the fact that for most of its political manifestations, Islam is a mirror of its Western padron. With one or two exceptions, political Islam has done all in its power to stymie the development of independent modern Moslem states which are not deeply in hock to the West and not ready to die for somebody else’s interests. Again, great respect to those exceptions.
With respect, you’re diverting from the issue in question, which is: “are the recent terrorist incidents in France really just stage-managed by the French State?”
And, your post essentially blames Muslims for being manipulated and used by the West and you seem unable to see who wrong-headed (of you) this is?
The problem is not Islam; the problem is the West and that is what we need to discuss, otherwise, we are going to fall for this “play” time-and-time again!
Yes, I agree. There has been some good input here, but sometimes the simmering hatreds underneath is all too visible.
This essay :
But just around the corner, Mansoureh Tajik is actually teaching some sense about Islam.
I do rest my case and refer everyone to the few comments The Saker made early on in the commentary.
Thank you. That’s the angle that most people won’t be able to think, let alone these hot-headed Muslim youth. They can be easily provoked. Yes, we love our beloved Prophet peace be upon him), but he (pbuh) never harmed even an ant. He only took up arms only to defend a budding, righteous community that was threatened by powerful, unjust Meccan tribes that used to bury their daughters alive due to shame. How do these young Muslims justify killing innocent bystanders? The status of the beloved Prophet (pbuh) with his Creator is unshaking. No amount of abuse can through mud on his righteous, beautiful character. These Charlie Hebdo people will find out on the day of Judgement the fruits of their freedom of speech. I am patiently looking forward to their state of horror on that Day of Accounting.
You forgot to mention that France’s banking system is teetering on collapse, starting with Societe Generals and Credit Agricole, so they needed false flag events (sorry for the innocent lives that were murdered in cold blood) to distract people. Then there is Deutsche Bank which has $56 trillion in notional derivative financial bets, which are linked in a daisy chain with 28 other globally significant banks. With the “everything bubble” having popped on September 2nd, 2020, the downward slide into greatest economic depression is accelerating. Now keep your eyes open to devastating wars, and destruction of paper currency and with it the middle-class in the West.
Also I would like to point out, I closed my utube channel as an adventurer going into the wilderness and practicing ancestor hunter gathering and bushcraft skills, it’s became massive! few yrs ago now trolls appeared saying such as…. I was about to sub your channel but you TALK too much! now its spread like Wildfire and as socially human beings, interacting with each other by nature, being turned into mute like animals! Only the mutted gets millions of views, take swedewoods who takes a low piece of canvas called a polish lavu, a dark den of an animal and doesn’t say a word! The ptb hate us common folks so much that they don’t want us to have any social or contact.
French here, living in France. France had sponsored the so-called terrorist groups since their early days. Since Afghanistan, 1979. So we have strong links with those groups. But for now, what we do see is that those late attacks come in very handy for the gov, thus we (the few of us) may question the anti-muslim campaign by the gov prior to the attacks. The picture is that the gov now can’t claim naïveté anymore in its mismanagement of “covid crisis’, so they needed some pretext to tighten its grip onto the population.
Practically, we are ruled by the ‘state of sanitary emergency’, which circumvent the French constitution. And since the terrorism season is back, the gov can activate the SILT program (an equivalent to the PATRIOT Act) at any time. In simpler words, we do not have constitutional rights anymore – all in the name of ‘freedom of speech’ by the Charlies. And the police has no longer the mission to protect our civil rights since 2014. In this scheme of terror, the new half-lockdown has been thought to make sure the virus is still around, so the pretext will stay to lock us up as long as possible. But the most important is this: the country has been turned into a labor camp as for the adults and mandatory Hitler-jugend as for the kids.
So I won’t enter into a debate about Zionism. But what I do understand is that there is a corporate takeover of France, just like in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Fascism 2.0.
And when you take some other pieces of the Maréchal’s policy, such as the give up of French seat at the Security Council to the EU, we also may witness the dilution of France into ‘Das Neues Europa’. I’m afraid that France will soon become a theme park, where we will be asked to play the French – complete with beret and baguette.
Neither am I Charlie.
While I agree almost 100% on the cui bono rationale, still something doesn’t fit.
Ok, Zionist power is behind Macron and France MSM, but can we can safely assume that big muslim countries aren’t affected?
Why don’t those countries (Pakistan, Turkey, Iran …) expose this plan, like “hey Europe this is a trap, don’t let them they drive us one against another”?
President Kahn, didn’t utter a word about this, nor did President Erdogan. The feeling one has is that they want this fight as much as Zionists.
Are they brainwashed too? Come on!
The largest mosque in Germany belongs to a Salalfi-Wahhabi group. Go figure.
You show the essence of the collusion between the West (in this case Germany) and militant Sunni Islam which was lauded as the warrior religion by Adolf Hitler. Of course, the Nazis in the German government (it’s pretty much the same in Britain) have millions of uses for these cutthroats who get special treatment for killing Russians, Serbs, Syrians and other enemies of the Western Reich.
Just occasionally, their wild Islamist friends go on a rampage of slaughter but this has been factored in as a risk when working with highly poisonous substances.
One of these days the Western Elites may well come to regret using such people, but by then it may be too late for them to do anything about such brigands.
And after all it’s not like they haven’t been dealing with them for centuries now, like this Bishop in the West did;
Or this guy;
Let me add that defender of “true faith”, Francisco Franco Bahamonde and his Moroccan legions. Spain still remembers their predations. Why is it that the Sunnis always side with Nazis, Fascists and similar scum? Has it got to do with the perceived fight against the Jews?
I think that’s part of it, the fight against the Jews. I also think that Sunni Islam in particular frequently produces similar people to what are produced in the West as Fascists, in a psychological sense.
I get the impression that the characters you mention sided with the Muslims at a time when the Christians and Muslims were equally matched and the front line was fluid. These days, the Sunnis act as a mercenary arm of the Western empire (with exceptions such as the Houthis). Very interesting history though.
I also think that the Western instigators are the worse scum and brigands here. It wasn’t always thus.
True, it wasn’t always thus. The Orthodox though, we have been caught between the Hammer of Papism and the Anvil of Islam for many centuries now, and there is a curious dialectic between the two which I’ve been studying-they are much more alike than they realize.
Wonderful – this is one of the keys of any understanding of the current turmoil. They are indeed very similar and the Jews are desperate to join the club.
Thank you very much!
Yes, the patterns are intriguing, which suggest common analogies if not homology between these types of belief system.
Or as Lord Acton said; ”Absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
Something like exclusionary expansionist semitic monotheism? Conversion with sword and fire? There is only one truth and it is mine?
Sorry. You are not fully wrong, the Charlie Hebdo attacks were one hundred percent monitored by the french secret services by example, but your vision of this topic is too manichean and mechanistic.
First of all i am french and i know very well that there is no collective islamophobia in my country. If foreign people want to be assimilated and not to entrenched themself in a foreign culture very far from the roots of the french people which are judeo christian, they are allowed to. Noah the tennis player who is a metisse very proud of his african’s roots and Zinedine Zidane a Kabyle and a french soccer top player are among the most popular personnalities in France.
It must also be considered that the muslim communauty in France is under the direction and the ruling of the muslim brotherhood. They are strong links between the muslim brotherhood and the french zionists and fake leftists as well. Juppé a zionist as foreign misnister has installed the Brotherhood in the dead syrian “opposition” counsil. Bernard Henry Levy who very ridiculously presents himself as a philosopher, is in fact an actual french foreign and war minister for the zionist international movement. He is now trying to create the conditions of an independant Kurdistan, but he has also contributed to the destruction of Libya whith the help of the Qatar.
I agree that this paves the way to false flag attacks.. which precisely aim at rising a kind of islamophobia.
Macron is a puppet who is assigned by his masters to detroy both the french state and the french nation. Islamophobia will certainly leads to a status of some kind of “libanization” in France.
However the protests in France are directed against the horrifying crime which has been the murder of the teacher Samuel Paty and absolutly not in support of any sketch about Mahomet the Prophet.
There is a fact that was not taken into account in this article. The french brotherhood has not distanciated itself from this crime. As many of muslim countries. I am disapointed that not only the Islamic Republic of Iran has not condemned the crime itself but has also accused the french people of islamophobia.
The very intelligent Sayed Nasrallah on the contrary has condemned this crime before saying that the cartoons about the Prophet Mahomet are not acceptable.
Charlie Hebdo is a controlled publication with very few readers, but its front page is always very in view at the newspaper shelves. Usually it rather displays cartoons against the christianity.
There is must to say about the venenous remnants of the Algeria war. The exodus of the “pieds noirs” has been catastrophic for both France and Algeria.
I do believe your story. You rightly point the finger at the Muslim Brotherhood and especially the disgusting Russophobe and Serbophobe Zionist shill BHL. I don’t need to hear anything else – I’m pretty sure you’re right.
This is something I have been pointing out for a long time. That this fake Islamist international is nothing but a mercenary force of Western fascism.
The West has been using Islamist cutthroats to further its geopolitical goals for a long time. You are coming close to understanding the deadly paradox of the current situation. A great Frenchman like President De Gaulle would know how to deal with this – extricate France from the imperialist meddling (Macron in Lebanon and Africa), leave NATO and works towards neutralising both Zionism and Islamism within France. Non?
Yes you are quite right.
And BHL is a war criminel
To our Muslim readers: Political organisations such as Muslim Brotherhood and other mercenary outfits for the Western (Zionist?) interests are harming Islam more than its enemies. I’d expect Sheikh Nasrallah to back me on this.
Iranians were in bed with salafist terrorist organizations when the target were Israeli and Europeans. Iran showed how to suicide bomb to their sunni brothers.
And the “Europeans” and Israelis have been using Salafi terrorist organisations to destabilise the Balkans, Russia, China and the Middle East for ages. Iran is resisting the satanic alliance between Roman Catholicism, Zionism and Sunni Salafism. Iranians are fighting to protect the Christians in Syria while the West is pumping billions into these criminal gangs.
I know little of Hezbollah but it is clear to me that they are righteous in every respect – especially since the Cathedral of Satan considers them “terrorists”. They are an honourable exception to what I’d said about political Islam and deserve all our support.
As a perceptive reader noted above – the largest mosque in Germany is salafist (probably similar here in Britain).
Reminds me of the “SS mosque” in Bavaria which served as a recruitment centre for all the Muslim legions of WWII.
I’ll end here. For whatever complex historical and political reasons, Iran currently finds itself besieged by the same enemies that have been doing immeasurable harm to the Slavs and non-salafist muslims around the world.
I believe that Iran must be supported by Russia and China and that the enemy in this case is not “Islam” but the Salafist/Deobandi interpretation of Islam which has been supported and funded by the West for the last few hundred years. I would simply ask his Excellency President Rouhani to forgo any short-term gains by clearly distinguishing between a noble, non-imperial Shia interpretation of islam and the corrupted monstrosity that is the Saudi- and West-funded and supported extremist Suniisim.
Speaking from the heart so there…
Well said my friend, there are nations which have found themselves perhaps not so much as allies then perhaps at least nations with an awareness of their having a common set of enemies.
I don’t know if you’re Israeli or what, but you’ve been repeating this anti-Iranian nonsense again and again. Iranians have never been “in bed” with Salafists.
In a previous comment on this thread, you even accused Iran of being in cahoots with Clinton in sponsoring Salafi jihadists being sent to Bosnia, which is total and absolute BS.
Normally I ignore someone deliberately pushing nonsense, but your constant spamming of these disgusting lies needed responding to.
Iran was the first government to send covert arms supplies to Bosnia when, in September 1992, a Boeing 747 carrying small arms, ammunition, anti-tank rockets and communications equipment landed in the Croatian capital of Zagreb. This marked the beginning of the ‘Croatian pipeline’, a supply line to Bosnian forces in Sarajevo as well as to the Croatians. The Iranian arms shipments ran for around a year before being reduced in late 1993 due to increased conflict between the Bosnian Muslims and Croat forces. During this stage, the US turned a blind eye to the shipments. In April 1994, however, President Clinton, in high-level meetings in Washington, explicitly gave a ‘green light’ to further Iranian supplies to bolster the Bosnian Muslim and Croat forces. After this, senior Croatian and Bosnian Muslim ministers visited Iranian President Ali Akbar Rafsanjani in Tehran and drew up a tripartite agreement for arms supplies and humanitarian aid. The arms flow began again on 4 May 1994, and around eight flights a month subsequently took place that year, rising to around three a week by early 1995. US government estimates of the amount of Iranian equipment supplied varied from 5,000 to 14,000 tons from May 1994 to January 1996. It was then that the clandestine supplies halted again, after US ground troops were stationed in the region following the Dayton Accords that ended the war.
Although Britain was formally opposed to the lifting of the arms embargo on the Bosnian government, it acquiesced in Iranian–US supplies to it and covertly supplied some of its own arms, as we have seen.
I’d be careful with this – Salafis trying to besmirch Soleimani, but nevertheless:
Do you at least see the error of your ways?
This could be perfectly understandable for a Muslim – and I don’t deny your right to put Islam above everything else, but you’ll forgive me for not doing the same. There are other things that are holy to me and we can either get along or we can’t. I am hoping that Iran has outgrown its early messianic attempts to woo the Sunnis by proving to be more “Muslim” then they are. By sticking for what’s right in Syria and Lebanon, it is showing that very well – to those who want to see.
Plato is dear to me, but truth is dearer still.
Where have I written that I place “Islam above everything else.” Again, where is this ridiculousness coming from and what are you trying to prove? That Shia should not help Sunni when they are asked for help? Why do you hate the Sunni? Do you believe most Sunni are extremists and/or practice Wahhabism?
Iran is not the type of civilization to go around trying to “prove” that it is more “Muslim” than anyone else. The Shia were always been marginalized in the Islamic world until the rise of the indigenous Iranian Safavid dynasty, which rose in opposition to Ottoman expansionism.
This is why the Wahhabis and other Sunni extremists (and their Zionist handlers) like to refer to Iran as “Safavid,” because they view the Islamic Republic and the Axis of Resistance as the restoration of the Safavid Empire.
But while Wahhabis and other Sunni extremists and chauvinists will always hate and attack the Shia, this does not mean the Shia should hate all Sunni. Likewise, just because Christian Zionists love Israel and want to nuke Iran does not mean that the Shia should hate Christians. There’s plenty of Christians in Iran and Iran has accepted plenty of Christian refugees over the years. You’ll never hear about that in the Zionist media, of course. So much for Iran placing Islam above everything or everyone else.
That kind of illogical and black-and-white thinking is alien to Iranian-Persian and Shia thought.
The overwhelmingly majority of Christians across this planet are not Zionists. The greatest threat to Christianity is Zionism and what does Zionism represent? The Antichrist. And the Antichrist is an existential threat to all humanity.
There is nothing about Salafism there. There is not a shred of evidence that Iran had anything to do with Salafis and Wahhabis or ever cooperated with them. That is an old Zionist canard spread by the pro-Israel crowd and figures like Netanyahu since the 1990s. The Zionists were in love with Milosevic.
According to Robert Baer, “In Sarajevo, the Bosnian Muslim government is a client of the lranians…… If it’s a choice between the CIA and the Iranians, they’ll take the lranians any day.”
I don’t see anything there in that FB post that contradicts anything I’ve written. The Bosniaks obviously love Iran.
“The Bosniaks obviously love Iran.”
An estimated 200 Bosnian Muslims have travelled to Syria and Iraq since 2012 to fight for ISIS and Al- Nusra.
Not one single Bosnian Muslim has gone there to fight on the side of Iran’s allies Hezbollah or the Syrian Government.
Muslims are perfectly ok in Russia, Russians can handle their Muslims, but this is not the case in Europe. Europe is too civilized / effeminate. In Russia the Muslims know that the Red Army is more ruthless than any Muslim could ever be so they behave themselves, in Europe the Muslims do as they want because there are no boundaries so they just run wild. Muslims are also perfectly ok in Serbia, were the Serbs allowed to handle their Muslims without NATO interference that is. The natural boisterous, superior, close minded tendency of Muslims just has to be curtailed on other people’s land, that’s all. If you don’t curtail it then ISIS rules.
The only solution for Europe would be to move all Christians from Syria, Iran, etc to Europe and take all the Muslims in Europe back to where they came from. So Europe will still be multi-cultural, except for that one culture which Europe can’t handle.
Progress needs good and bad examples, so you know what to do and what to avoid. Some countries have embraced multiculturalism, others have avoided it. All you have to do look and it will be obvious which countries flourish and which countries are a little bit sleazier each year.
Or fake it. Watch the footage from Hebdo 1.0, where the cop gets “shot” in the street. A real AK would have made a mess, but we see no blood in the video. Watch the old footage, then watch this:
After all, there is enough criticism of and caricatures about Islam that have no consequences.
Have you seen the caricature in question? It is hard to imagine that someone can see his beloved wife, daughter or mother “caricatured” in this way and not be offended by it.
Whoever sees the corresponding drawing knows exactly that it is not meant to caricature, but to provoke.
This is obviously what the decapitated teacher had in mind.
I read that he was not allowed to show the drawing to his students because of its pornographic content, even under French law, because they are not yet 15 years old.
Has national education lost its head? Or is it all France?
“France, freedom of expression is a fundamental right, but insults and defamation are crimes, recalls editor Arno Mansouri. From this point of view, Samuel Paty did not defend freedom of expression, but insulted all Muslims, if one has the courage to face the facts and not let oneself be undermined by the prevailing discourse. We cannot support either the fundamentalist Islamists who bitterly murdered him or the secular fundamentalists who hide their insults against religions behind a fundamental right. On the contrary, we support freedom of conscience, secularism in the sense of the 1905 law.
The discourse of the entire media (and political) caste, according to which Samuel Paty was only doing his job, only his republican duty, and that he taught his students tolerance and freedom of expression and secularism, brings me to the point Lose my control……….
……………Fundamentalism and fanaticism are not the exclusive privilege of any particular religion. One can also be a fundamentalist integrist of secularism, and twist it in the same way that the God-mad fools, whatever their religion, can twist a religion. To believe that one can fight religious fundamentalism by adopting an antagonistic and violent attitude (even if the violence in this case is only symbolic, it remains real) is not only an unfounded illusion, but it is an intellectually and humanly inadmissible attitude, which proves to be dangerous and deadly, as the assassinations of Charlie Hebdo or the decapitation of Mr. Paty prove, which is deadly and inconclusive.”
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This thread is really something. I don’t think very many people realize just how clownishly insane this whole situation with the Macronists and Charlie Hebdo is. We are talking about a bunch of fully grown middle-aged adults going around promoting cartoons drawn by middle-aged men that look infinitely worse than anything drawn by your average five year old.
We are talking about the leaders of an entire nation not only supporting the right of these “cartoonists” to slander and defame the Prophet in the most immature and pathetic way possible, but even egging them on, encouraging more blasphemy and insult.
Putting aside all other considerations, it must be said that promoting these cartoons, encouraging their creation and propagation, is just plain rude. It is one thing to criticize Islam in a rational and reasoned manner, but it is quite another to go out of one’s way to insult Muslims in the worst and most crude way possible.
What would the purpose of such outrageousness be? To promote non-existent “freedom of expression” when one can go to prison simply for criticizing Israel, Zionism, Judaism?
They are going so far as to even project the cartoons onto government buildings in France. What would they possibly expect to happen as a result of such actions?
At the same time they are promoting this clownish absurdity, they are also:
1) sponsoring and arming Wahhabi terrorists and insurgents that they masquerade as “moderate rebels” who spread indiscriminate bloodshed and chaos throughout the Middle East, Caucasus, and Central Asia, the overwhelming majority of victims being actual Muslims.
2) encouraging mass influx of so-called “Muslim migrants and refugees” into Europe (who, more often than not, turn out to actually be a bunch of godless rapists, sexual deviants, and murderers who are “Muslim” in name only) and then when the inevitable crimes are committed, these same politicians who imported these criminals then turn around and rail against all immigrants, and in particular scapegoating regular, ordinary law-abiding Muslims.
So, let me get this straight. France, which as a colonial empire ruled over a diverse range of Muslim peoples in Africa and the Middle East with savage brutality and oppression, now paints itself as a victim of “Islamism” due to terrorist attacks instigated by the publication and promotion of crude caricatures that have no value or merit beyond insulting 25% of the world population.
There is another term for this type of victimhood: Zionism. While the Zionist terrorizes the Palestinian child in the most brutal fashion, he is screaming that it is actually the Palestinian child terrorizing him, and that he is simply protecting himself from the violence of the Palestinian’s anti-Zionist speech, which of course is antisemitism and there is nothing worse in this world than antisemitism. Meanwhile, the Palestinian child has been beaten into a bloody pulp by this gang of freedom-loving IDF stormtroopers, who then proceed to bulldoze his home, terrorize his entire family into death or submission, and have their names blacklisted internationally as terrorists. All the while the only victims here are the IDF stormtroopers.
The Zionist is the perpetual victim. Macron and his cronies are following the same exact line and logic.
The irony here is that none of this is actually about Islam in and of itself, but about creating so much conflict and chaos in French society (and Europe at large) that the ruling elites are able to keep everyone distracted while they set about implementing the new dystopia of the “Great Reset.”
Those who embrace and indulge in anti-Muslim bigotry (as can be witnessed with many of the comments here) have fallen so far into the trap that they hopelessly blinded by their own hatred that they cannot see reality anymore. They are just as complicit in this insanity as the Macronists who are orchestrating this fraud.
We are truly living in the most ridiculous clown world possible and Macron has made himself the Bozo of France. It would all be insanely hilarious were it not for the fact that the end result of this disgusting circus is endless bloodshed and hatred.
The most astute comment on this thread.
Thank you, Final Conflict.
Agreed, a most astute comment. Fora similar argument kindly refer to:
I read your note about my contribution at the bottom of this discussion.
Thank you, you are absolutely right.
A few days ago I read that Mr. Macron even wants to distribute books in French schools with the many now published and very degrading drawings about Muslims.
Or – on the orders of his bosses, to distribute them to justify the many wars against Muslim countries?
Or – should children and young people already be programmed to hate Muslim fellow citizens?
The recent throat cutting has made me totally forget Macron’s pathetic failure in Lebanon…
Thank you for this article
Also for me it is clear that these attacks including the
one on Austria yesterday are done with help and knowledge of the governments
The problem is that 95 %of the populations will never get to this conclusion
They live in their bubble and don’t come out untill it’s over
It is necessary to say again that in France the reaction vis à vis the horrifying crime committed with the assassination of Samuel Paty is not at all in support of the cartoons of Charlie. It must also be underlined that usually the Charlie Hebdo cartoons are directed against the christianity. In France the death penalty has been abolished in 1981. One of the few positive actions of François Mitterrand who was at the roots of the now fake leftists.
There are examples of french muslims who are also protesting against this crime. They must know that they are the first victims of the salafists.
About the Prophet Muhammad, Mahomet, it must also be reminded of that in France the historians writing about the actual story of Mahomet, are always threatened of death.
For the french common people there is no evident defferenciation between Islam and its salafist side. The Brotherhood is in cahoot with french politician of all political color. They are fully supported by the trotskists NPA.. The true believers that are in charge of the islamic faith, which is repectable, must understand that it is in their interests to distanciate themself and their religion from these crimes. Which are specially deviced to provoke a violent reaction against Islam.
Ethnic cleansing is not the right word. It indicates that something valuable has happened. It should not be used. Cleaning means something beautiful and valuable. For example; “dear, I cleaned the garden” or “dear, I cleaned the living room so it shines, don’t come in for at least 2 hours” or “we cleaned the beach of garbage”. Or, of course, in this case; “Here we have ethnically cleansed this part of the territory and everything is shining and everything is in order. Please don’t throw cigarette butts on the road …”. Of course the word was used because the closest alternative word is genocide. But genocide is a word of heavy caliber that drives certain mechanisms in the UN. For example – In ex. Yugoslavia; The Serbian leadership in Krajina insisted on withdrawing the population into exile. There were those in the Croatian leadership who sincerely wanted to avoid the migration of the Serb population, and there were also those who immediately realized that this would harm Croatia. Of course, Tudjman used that as a positive step in front of his radicals. There are too many details to generalize. I think this is true for other parts of the world where an ethnic group or people is being wiped out. In the Middle East, the Far East, everywhere. And everyone calls it “cleansing.” Here, that is my well-intentioned remark. It’s off topic, I know.
France and Austria ere the two countries that dared to oppose Erdogan before he promised to make sure the Europeans will not be safe on their streets. These attacks are most likely how Erdogan keeps his promise. He has always kept his promises when it comes to massacring his enemies.
As Hoffman II says, orthodox jews are porn in the game, the ones benefiting from the crisis are their masters (banking aristocracy), here it is a standard divide and conquire to avoid popular uprising in the contexte of dictatorial (unjustified) generalised house arrest.
It is clear if one cares to look that these are staged events. Divide and rule is a tried and tested weapon.
This is very eye-opening to me: any nation can be easily controlled (and especially: neutralized) by making sure there is a strong polarization dividing the inhabitants. It doesn’t matter along what lines this polarization falls! We personally can quickly get diverted and distracted in our analysis of any situation if the particular polarization pulls on the issues we personally care about, but for the people wanting to exert control over a nation, this doesn’t matter. If any nation would become a threat in its ambitions or actions, a little false flag will activate the latent polarization, and chaos erupts, incapacitating the nation.
I get the impression that the zionist component of what is going on in France now is particularly pronounced.
If that impression is correct it could mean that the old ‘anglosaxon’ branch of Israel~Netanyahu, is applying momentum in the service of the UK/US empire.
If they get away with it without suffering too much damage that branch has gained otherwise the other newer branch might grow more influential.
As long as Israel has played the role of a proxy for the UK/US empire it has been supported.
Both for military aggression, colonial oppression and also for activism within the rivals of empire
Has the new branch in Israel been established to test whether a less aggressive Israel will be accepted by the imperial masters?
And does anyone believe that the present bifurcation of the Israeli governance happened by chance?