(Here is the original report, for my evaluation, please see below – The Saker)
The Russian President Vladimir Putin has thanked his US counterpart Donald Trump for help in preventing a terrorist attack in St. Petersburg. Data provided by the CIA enabled Russian security services to find and detain terrorists
The Russian leader expressed his gratitude in a telephone call, adding that the Russian security services would also always share information with their US colleagues, were they to obtain data on any planned attacks on US soil.
Putin also asked Trump to convey his compliments to the CIA director, Mike Pompeo, as well as to the operatives that gathered the information about the terrorists. He said that the data provided by the US was enough to track down and detain the members of the extremist cell.
The White House later said in a statement: “President Trump appreciated the call and told President Putin that he and the entire United States intelligence community were pleased to have helped save so many lives.” The White House also confirmed that US intelligence agencies provided Russia with information “concerning a major terror plot in St. Petersburg.”
Earlier, the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) arrested the members of a terrorist cell linked to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) in the Russian city of St. Petersburg. The extremists were planning a series of attacks on public places, including a suicide bombing and an explosion in Kazan’s Cathedral in the center of the city.
During the raid, conducted overnight from Wednesday to Thursday, the FSB seized a large amount of explosives, weapons and ammunition and dismantled a bomb-making workshop. The members of the cell that coordinated their plans with IS masterminds abroad were plotting an attack on the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg – one of the most iconic landmarks of the city.
Earlier this week, FSB head Aleksandr Bortnikov reported foiling a terrorist plot which would have involved bombings during the New Year celebrations and the upcoming presidential election campaign. The schemes also involved a cell with links to IS.
First, some skeptics might, for good reasons, suspect whether this is true or some kind of smokescreen. Let me assure you that this is for real. Here is why: to put it gently, the USA and, even more so, the CIA are not exactly popular in Russia, especially amongst former KGB foreign intelligence (PGU KGB SSSR) service officers like Putin. They are even *more* unpopular amongst the power base of President Putin. So, if anything, by publicly thanking not just the USA, but the CIA specifically Putin, is most definitely not doing just something politically advantageous to him. Second, Putin could have just thanked Trump without mentioning the CIA by name. Next, there is the visibility given to that event: an official telephone call, following by an official announcement on the Kremlin’s website. Finally, this news item makes it to the first item on the most popular Sunday evening news show. So, yes, this is for real, you can take that to the bank.
Apparently, the terrorist attack was also rather vicious: a major cathedral in Saint Petersburg was supposed to be targeted on a religious holiday (Sunday and the commemoration of Saint Barbara). It could have been a carnage.
Finally, there are no indications that the Russian security services saw this one coming or had the suspects on their radars.
So, amazing as this might seen to some of us, in this case it appears that the US CIA really did prevent a bloodbath in Russia.
Frankly, I will admit that am personally very surprised by that.
There are still many questions to be answered: who were the (already arrested) terrorists? why did the CIA know about his? what could be the motive of the CIA in actually warning the Russians?
At this point, your guess is as good as mine. As I often say, I am neither a clairvoyant nor a prophet. All I can offer at this point are guesses. My first one would be that the bombers were somehow connected to the USA or to some branch of the US government and that the CIA decided to warn the Russians to spoil an operation by another branch of the US government. Maybe the risk of having some US agency clearly involved was too big. Other option: the US CIA and/or the Trump Administration really want the Russian to cooperate with them on something important, and preventing a terrorist attack in Russia’s “northern capital” was a way to show that the US and the CIA have some potentially very real benefits to offer to Russia. After all, the relations between the USA and Russia have been so insanely bad (all by the USA’s fault) that some tangible sign of mental sanity and actual good-will could make things way better than they are now. It is also possible that somebody in the White House has finally realized that the US has truly painted itself into a corner and that a country like Russia could be very, very, important to fix the utter disasters of US foreign policies (or lack thereof) in the Middle-East as East Asia. It is also entirely possible that, as the RT article indicates, the Russians recently helped foil a major terrorist attack in the USA and that the Americans decided to reciprocate. Finally, as remote as this might seem to some, there is always the possibility of a key person in the Administration taking the decision to simply do what is right. I know that many will call me naive for even considering such an apparently most unlikely possibility, but I strongly believe that there are decent people in some very corrupt places and that sometimes very corrupt people sometimes want to do what is right at least once.
Whatever may be the case, I welcome this development. Lives were saved, some dangerous maniacs are behind bars and two nuclear nuclear superpowers did something together and did it right. I am not holding my breath for the future, but any positive development deserves some recognition, especially in our otherwise very depressing times.
I don’t at this time believe any of this. It seems like a shark jumping.
Agree. US sacrificed some lambs in an attempt to show that they are fighting terrorists. Doubt if Putin believes their goodwill.
You could well be right. There is a possibility that these terrorists were set up, the intent for them to be sacrificed so that the CIA would end up looking good, obviously for a purpose.
Agree; this is exactly my thinking
Call me cynical, but those are my thoughts exactly.
The main one being – how did they know?
Because the CIA is /was the main enabler of these terrorist proxies.
Here at home, the FBI is very good at foiling the attacks they set up.
I would imagine that ruining the FIFA World Cup in Russia is a very great priority for the Exceptional Empire. A few ‘terror’ attacks beforehand could cut the numbers of foreign visitors who might discover that Russia is NOT Satan’s Empire on Earth. Or attacks during the tournament might even get the best result of all-the tournament called off and Russia humiliated.
The first thing that came into my mind, when I heard about this story, was Jerusalem and the coming UN vote to condemn the decision to move the UAS embassy into Jerusalem. I suspect that Tramp needs Russia’s support (vote) in this matter as a show of gratitude for CIA’S disclosure…I may also be wrong..
UNSC vote today was 14-1 in favor, with the US veto’ing as expected.
The US never ‘needed’ anyone elses vote in this case. They knew that their veto would let them stop such a measure from ever being enacted. They’ve also known during all of their discussions that they would be the only embassy in Jerusalem and that the rest fo the world would strongly object. They can’t even get their British poodle to trot along with them on this one. And Trump’s White House and the pro-Armageddon wing of the Republican Party all seem not to care if they are alone.
Since Russia obviously voted in favor, it appears that saying ‘thanks’ to the US didn’t go as far as Russia stabbing a sword into the backs of their allies in Istanbul, Damascus, and Tehran as well as massively doing harm to their relations with the rest of the arab world. Kinda hard to believe that they ever would do such a thing.
You are right, everybody knew what will happen: the Egyptian delegation which drafted the resolution knew, the US delegation knew they can veto it , all the other member of the SC new…still the resolution was drafted and submitted in spit the fact that everybody knew the outcome … 14-1 has a massive public weight and the venom (and foam to the mouth) of US’ representative (including the unveil threat: “this will not be forgotten”) shows how important was for US to get at least an “abstain” vote from a permanent member of SC ( I have in mind Russia). Desperate times ask for desperate actions…like letting the Russians know about the terrorist plot…Fact is we speculate…We don’t have enough information regarding this subject…Maybe on day (the sooner the better) we will know what was behind all of this…
Or perfidious Albion was behind it, and Russia and the USA don’t want to be pushed into a world war.
Or alternately, nothing happened. Absolutely no proof at all has been adduced that any of the above actually happened. The fact that the CIA is unpopular in Russia is not proof. There is no video of Putin thanking the CIA, and even if there were, such gratitude does not substantiate any sort of plot existed at all. If this alleged fiasco has any basis in reality whatsoever, we have yet to see any substantial evidence at all to support it.
The Russian FSB arrested a couple of ISIS terrorists on 13-14 December. One of the terrorists was named as Evgeny Efimov, who admitted planning an attack against the Kazan Cathedral and other targets in St. Petersburg. Details were released on Russian TV media.
Hmmmm, … why did Mossad give that one away?
Secondly, with Chinese warnings of war on Korean peninsular by March (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1080722.shtml) the US may well see some psyop-advantage in a little bear hugging before Easter especially as Putin and Xi are moving assets to relevant borders.
It just smells of manipulation of the Russian public
The American public won’t care about this.
There is going to be a policy switch and Putin needs to present this story so that this switch is possible.
I don’t know what he has agreed to do but the signs are there in this fake over blown story.
Saying that a church is targeted etc is designed to offend the people
The FSB etc has been doing well foiling terrorist cells
Put in is going to sell out of something I am sad to say.
“There is going to be a policy switch and Putin needs to present this story so that this switch is possible.”
I agree. It doesn’t make any sense why should USA help Russia.
Trump and a small group around him have been looking for such chances since they arrived in DC. Yes, he’s decided not to fight the Pentagon, the M-I complex, all the DC think tanks, the Deep State, the media and a whole lot of money in terms of the overall Russia policy. But he’s been doing what he can to try to ease relations even by just a little bit.
And for myself, I’m quite happy if all he manages to do right now is to push the Doomsday clock back on the other side of 3 minutes to midnight.
For instance, Putin and Trump appear to have worked together on Syria. For example, see the statement issued at the Vietnam conference, and previously when they’ve talked and Trump seems to defuse what the CIA and Pentagon both want in terms of escalation.
In fact, my question while reading the Sakers words above was …. “Did the Trump order the CIA to do this? Or did the CIA do it on its own?”
Perhaps the CIA briefed Trump on the status of the world, and like any intelligence agency wanted to show-off what it did know. So they bragged to Trump about how they knew about an upcoming big terror attack in St. Petersberg. Maybe they were surprised when Trump then gave them the order to share the info with the Russians and thus save lives in a horrific attack on a cathedral.
The crazy right-wing types in the USA do think of themselves as the Defenders of Christianity. Fox News makes a living off of reporting every bad thing ever done to any Christian anywhere whether by liberals or by Muslims. Its possible that even Pompei was thinking along these lines. If he’s a politician from Kansas, he certainly brags about his Christian faith to the voters. Maybe somehow God used that to reach down and actually get Pompei to have the idea of that maybe saving the lives of hundreds of Christians wouldn’t be such a bad idea.
Hmm. I am always suspicious.
That the US would warn Russia is counter intuitive to what has become the new normal.
I await more analysis from The Saker.
The times they are a changing; most of it happening under the surface. Mel Rockefeller, on his website: hiddentaxonhumanity, is some one I do trust to tell the real story. If any one would know about realpolitik, it would be a Rockefeller!
Common knowledge that the US is ISIS in disguise. Imagine what would have happened when the Russians confirmed that the US sponsored proxy managed to do their evil act. All hell would have broken out against the US not only from Russia but many of its’ allies. So I disagree with the author, US managed to stop a major conflict with Russia. That is why Putin thanked him.
“Common knowledge that the US is ISIS in disguise.”
Indeed. But I like your intimation that the “ISIS” operation was somehow compromised and the CIA had to give up their men to avoid a diplomatic and propaganda catastrophe. Yes, that is far more plausible than the US genuinely stopping their own terrorists from terrorising…unless of course it was a psyop to convince the Russians that the US is sincere? Or to show the Russians just how close they can get to destabilizing Russia?
I just don’t know. The story stinks but I cannot unravel it. It certainly makes no sense to think that the US would betray its own terrorists for altruistic reasons, which is inherently contradictory on several levels.
First, it’s true. Too much info on the local and national underground telegraph for it not to be truth, even in this little village.
It is not surprising that there would be cooperation between the two intelligence operations and this cooperation never really ceased regardless of the official narratives and the wildly unreliable media on both sides. On the other hand spooks by their very nature avoid the limelight like the plague so if this operation and cooperation was made public there is a reason for it. I agree with Saker, even in the most corrupt of organizations and bureaucracies there are always at least a few who have a modicum of integrity in their souls.
This open cooperation between President Trump and President Putin is of interest for a number of reasons, not the least of which is it was initiated, as far as I know, by President Trump. The reaction from the neocons and rinos was also of interest and in a way humorous. McFaul, the previous ambassador to both Russia and Orcland, was publicly ‘appalled’ that President Trump would call President Putin. Why is this? Who is McFaul to say anything, he’s a DoS operative, nothing more. Was he giving publicly the private thoughts and reactions of those openly seeking to over through President Trump? My thought is yes and I also think that with a budding commo between the two presidents it’s possible the informations may have been or will be given to President Trump about this ongoing and blatant coup attempt against him. He needs all the help he can get in my opinion.
Whilst I’m too much of a realist to believe this one episode of cooperation will lead to a rapprochement between the two world powers, there could be at least a glimmer of hope on the horizon.
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“cooperation will lead to a rapprochement between the two world powers”
If you think there is a thin piece of paper between our Global elite leaders you have swallowed their required narrative to constrain thought hook, line and sinker.
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Anon you took “cooperation will lead to a rapprochement between the two world powers” completely out of context.
“Whilst I’m too much of a realist to believe this one episode of cooperation will lead to a rapprochement between the two world powers…” is what Auslander actually wrote.
No thought twisting allowed.
Please kindly do not take what I write out of context. The whole sentence read:
“Whilst I’m too much of a realist to believe this one episode of cooperation will lead to a rapprochement between the two world powers, there could be at least a glimmer of hope on the horizon.”
That sentence clearly says I don’t believe much will improve because of this one incident regardless if there is a tiny shaft of hope. ‘on the horizon’ basically means it will never be because in essence where is the horizon? One can never get to it no matter how far you travel.
I agree most with this comment, lest anyone forget, it is also the Christmas season and New Year. Somehow I have to believe that even the most hardcore elements in the CIA wouldn’t appreciate the sight of splattered children decorating the church square during this special time of year. Anyways, props to both sides, here’s wishing everyone, everywhere, Peace, Goodwill and better days in 2018!!
What about the possibility that it might be a phone call that was made sarcastically, in order to let Mike Pompeo and the CIA know that the plot that was planned by CIA trained people was broken up, and in an off-hand way make them aware the FSB knows who put them up to it. oooops.
CIA will keep screwing around, but one of these days, I believe the comeback will be a son-of-a-bitch.
Thanks for that view. I’m surprised that the Saker doesn’t mention that possibility, seems like the most plausible. Why on earth should CIA suddenly help Russia ?
Stability of Russia is vital for world security. Absolutely essential regardless of anyone’s blinkered outlook and / or predisposition. Surely if someone as lowly and uninformed as I am can see that someone somewhere at the CIA must see it. So IMHO the Saker is astute to allow for that possibility.
Picture this: FSB cracks ISIS terror plot in St. Petersburg, CIA footprints, strong odor. CIA: “Oh, yes! We were investigating that. Meant to tell you.” Putin (chuckling): “How very nice of you! Tea?”
CIA-ISIS collusion seems to be an open secret so this means they did an abort on their own operation?
As there is no free lunch so what they want in return? When you look around where USians need most help and around the globe is North Korea quagmire and where they have painted themselves in corner. Do they want Russians to bail them out?
If it was a genuine help then the question is why FSB itself was not aware of such a big Terrorist activity taking place under their nose?
NYC has the best Intel/Counter-terrorist operation for a city in the world.
It has been hit twice in one month. A truck running down people on the West Side, and the aborted suicide bomber from Bangladesh who managed only to blow up his testicles.
How did they not know? Twice. In one month.
Because it is almost impossible to know lunatics are planning to murder people and blow up crowded places.
This isn’t a tv drama or a paperback. It’s the real world.
The FSB just stopped a similar incident and group in Moscow.
They just eliminated some guys in Dagestan.
It’s a huge country with 146 million people.
And it has no visas for many moslem countries. They enter the country easily.
This is why every Intel agency should be working with all the others to stop terrorists.
The US will want enormous help as it goes through all the millions of immigrants and visa holders from Central Asia and Russia and other nations the FSB and SVR keep track of. Trump is cracking down on the insane migration of sketchy people from known sources of terrorist activity. To verify the good from the dangerous, Russian Intel will be very helpful.
There’s never enough preventative measures to stop a highly motivated people to break the laws i agree but on your point about immigration i think it was designed that way. Their end design would be a population that is so fearful and ignorant to be able to tell which one is reality which one is fictitious threat to be driven in a controlled self proclaimed democracy.
In example :
They have succeeded on making most people believe that all muslims are someway interconnected and schemes to undermine or subvert the government by way of terrorism and threat even in most cases they are, at the very least the local born muslims have completely different origin and have no interaction before to the one coming from abroad.
They succeed to paint a hermit country NK and Cuba are ruled in complete tyranny and a threat as well as erasure of their past misdeeds towards Korean and Cuban peoples.
The immigration policy needs serious overhauls as well as welfare programs accompanied them sure but competition bought by the workers from the global pools as well as the rising standard of employments not to mention the changing demographic trends are natural occurrences.
Larchmonter, this was a large-scale organized planned terrorist attack which required marshalling of resources, stationing of personnel, pre-staging, manufacture of bombs, and logistics. This was not a random crazy failed muslim drug-dealer getting a jihadist impulse. Your premise does not hold in this instance.
There are two immediate goals that somewhat mutual.
First the Korean peninsula crisis.
Two the illegal US deployment in the Syria may need an exit strategy or to be paused for a while to be carried out somewhat interconnected with the Korean crisis.
The other is more speculative which is
-The Lebanon and Iranian political power and military reach are growing. They may want to enter the negotiations to stall them back.
-The diminishing political support in the ME region as well as the muslims world that may well be a bigger ticking bombs that will setback all their current modus operandi in the ME and citing the Russian president Putin somewhat warm relationship with Israel can be a crutch for the short terms.
-The terror operative probably are already compromised and they have a big footprint on them. Better to scuttle them before they could be used as political pressure.
-Lastly and a most unlikely is they want to exits and pass the Ukraine mayhem because it became too volatile and costly. Escalatory intention on them is insanely dangerous while the Ukrainian armed forces found to be too ineffective because their corruption.
“Two the illegal US deployment in the Syria …” — my guess is this is likely to be a factor. If the said attack on a Russian church had occurred then likely the Russian reaction would have been fast and furious on any ISIS related assets that even breathed in Syria — including the remaining illegal US bases etc. I’d say the CIA sacrificed a small terrorist pawn to save a more strategic Syrian ‘bishop’.
It seems to be pretty well established that the USA is behind IS.
Within USA, seems to be CIA and McCain that are the biggest promoters of ISIS.
So, anything that involves IS on some level involves the USA.Or a faction within the USA govt.
That was my first thought when I see that IS planned this attack.
The Russians stopped the Caliphate, not the USA. So, that revenge part is logical.
So many some IS people think they are carrying water for the USA by planning this action.
How come the USA didn’t know about it?
What has the FSB done with the putative perps?
Do they get interrogated?
What would/will this reveal?
Are they patsies?
So many questions.
Who are their handlers?
Is this intra-IS squabbling? Or intra-USA squabbling? Or intra-CIA?
What a triangle: CIA-IS-FSB.
Plus co-stars Trump and Putin.
Is Trump wising up in some way?
Now that he thinks he might have Mueller on the defensive?
Did anyone say the FSB was not aware of it? Possibly the were warned about something they were already prepared for, but chose to accept the US warning and thank them for it all the same. I am sure that Russia would do anything reasonable to forward the cause of better international relations, including crediting Trump and the CIA for warning them about an future attack that they were already aware of and prepared to deal with. This cannot be discounted
Exactly what i thinking but in that cases there’s no need to congratulate Trump or in particular the CIA. This full blown story aren’t intended to be just one time story. There should be a continuation in somewhere either in internal policy of the Russian or US or some bargaining and compromise in international political realms between the two of them.
Any kinds of credits given to international player is selling them a favor which is depending on it’s circumstances may be hard to be declined should they were used. I shudder at the idea of what kind of payback the US would demand.
If the US can try to murder Russian personnel indirectly in Syria, I don’t think they changed overnight. I personally think the terrorists went rogue and veered off course so the CIA had to call a ‘May Day’ to avoid revealing their complicity.
My guess is that Wahabi interests (or the Israelis) active within ISIS were carrying out the operation without the approval of the Trump administration. Since everyone knows that ISIS is heavily supported by the US/Israel/Saudi faction, any major ISIS attack inside Russia would have been blamed on the US/Israel by the Russians and that could be catastrophic in the already volatile situation.
The Israelis are apoplectic at the prospect of permanent Iranian military and naval bases in Syria. The Saudis seem to be in a panic about the expansion of Iranian influence and power. Both want the US military to smash the Iranians and roll back their influence. Had this operation succeeded, it could have helped set the stage for war… a war that Trump and Pompeo don’t want, hence their collaboration with Moscow to foil the attack. At least that is my theory.
“Finally, there are no indications that the Russian security services saw this one coming or had the suspects on their radars.”
And this could be the point. The CIA is saying, “we do what we want, when we want. If you get saved it’s because we want to and only because we want to.”
Interesting is that the Russians helped to foil an attack in US, of which the Americans knew nothing, and the Americans helped to foil an attack in Russia of which the Russians knew nothing! Quite funny.
From what I read among many of the reports, the terrorists were using the highly encrypted Telegram chat program and the NSA and CIA might have a crack on the code.
In any case, they had SigInt on the culprits.
Also, last week the ISIS mouthpiece on the Internet gave targeting instructions to its “lone wolves/cels to attack Christian Churches.
St.Pete is a great target against Russia. It is Putin’s home town, a major tourist attraction and where recently the Uzbek terrorist struck the subway.
CIA’s Pompeo did the right thing. FSB has given the CIA and FBI Intel over the years to stop terror attacks. The US agencies didn’t act on the Boston Bombers, the Tsarnaev brothers, but they had weeks of warnings from Russia.
US needs Russia for North Korea. The Chinese are powerless dealing with Kim’s regime. They released a report from their top State Council advisors that North Korea is on the edge, ready to erupt as a war. Other comments by scholars and foreign ministry officials are bleak and scary.
“China foreign ministry senior fellow Yang Xiyu, with the China Institute of International Studies, declared that Beijing was past the point where it could calm tensions in the region, asserting that the state of threat on the Korean peninsula was at its most dire in half a century.
“No matter whether there is war or peace, regretfully, China has no control, dominance or even a voice on the issue,” Yang claimed, cited by SCMP.
So, it was very real practical action for the US to alert the FSB.
The US mistakes in Iraq and Syria will be haunting the world for years more with rampant terrorism. These two nations need to work together to crush it.
The US agencies didn’t act on the Boston Bombers, the Tsarnaev brothers, but they had weeks of warnings from Russia.
My understanding of the Boston Marathon Bombing is completely different from that. Go back and look at all of the photographs. Things are very wrong! The shattered glass lies on the pavement, ergo the glass was not shattered by a bomb blast but rather by an explosion we use to call ‘touch powder’ whilst studying chemistry. The ‘wound’ on the ‘injured’ were all wrong, and the behaviour of the police also was extremely questionable.
The Boston Marathon bombing occurred at 2.49pm on the 15th of April 2013. The first report of the apprehension of the bomber was later that same evening. When the MSM attended at the local courthouse they were informed that the arrest reports were incorrect.
That was when Tamerlan had been arrested.
Have another look at the photographs of the ‘black and tans. Three of them were the same actors as at Sandy Hook. In simple words they were FBI CIRG!
The O.C. the FBI CIRG at that time was Agent James Yacone, Another duty of Yacone had been counterintelligence. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was employed by the FBI undercover to recruit Islamist extremists, ergo his boss was James Yacone.
From January to June 2012 Tamerlan Tsarnaev as an FBI agent travelled to Georgia and attended various NGO camps run to recruit Chechen Muslims for the ‘American cause’. This was the information Russia passed back to America.
John Kerry as Head of the State Dep’t gave it all away when he said that when Tsarnaev returned to America he had a willingness to kill. Kerry has always been an idiot!
So after Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been arrested he is killed and run over by an SUV. The next day his younger brother is apprehended, and was supposed to have been shot and killed but two FBI agents, Lorek and Shaw stopped that murder. Shortly afterwards both Lorek and Shaw were murdered supposedly falling from a helicopter while preparing to abseil from the helicopter to a ship 20 Kms out to sea.
Once these two FBI agents had been murdered did Yacone then attend to Ibragim Todashev and then murder him in his own home in Florida. Why? Simple!
Whilst in Georgia or with that area, Tsarnaev met with another Chechen, I believe to be Dmytro Yarosh.
Yarosh told Tsarnaev something he should not have mentioned. Tsarnaev may have told his younger brother, but he definitely told his friend Todashev, and Todashev told his father in Grozny, who would have informed the FSB. In other words, Yacone would have believed that Ibragim Todashev was a Russian Intel agent.
Thanks for your information on the “Boston marathon bombing” . I have been following the truth-seekers regarding that disturbing story for some time, and I am thankful that the “official narrative” has been strongly challenged. Paul Craig Roberts has eloquently expressed his grave misgivings about the “official story”, along with others. It looks like a good part of this thing was an elaborately staged event to make the Martial Law lockdown in Boston more palatable, “necessary” even, to a largely gullible public. Prelude of things to come, folks. No, they’re not here to help Us. Moving on to the recent event in St. Petersburg: Is there an artifact in a museum there– that was taken from Berlin at the end of World War 2– that would be of great interest to a group of truly evil people? A pagan altar, for a demonic entity, “from the seat where Satan dwells”?–(Pergamos, on the highway from Babylon to Rome). Someone may want to possess it because of the dark power it was imbued with. Think about all the ancient artifacts that were stolen from Iraq and Syria–certainly no “accident” that these things were stolen, because “he who controls the past controls the future”. This is much bigger than Grand Theft Auto. This is Lies my teacher And government And news media told me on crack. The dark re-creation, not in the image of the Holy Creator. Most people don’t understand that we are living in a post-Armageddon world. It’s unholy hell. A counterfeit “Christ” is imminent. He will appear at first to have all the right answers. The good Middle Eastern Christians in the Zionist – ordered war zones who probably deserved to be “raptured” were Not. Think about this: a vicious attack upon people celebrating a Christian holy day at a cathedral would accomplish a number of things, concretely and symbolically: 1. talk about blood on the altar–this would be a major satanic blood sacrifice. Yes, really. As all wars are. 2. a mocking and casting into the dust of Christian beliefs / a death of thought and belief and sacred rite, to be replaced by pure evil–a “Childhood’s End” type thing. Trust me,the devils are working overtime to keep Russia from fulfilling her holy destiny. Does Anyone have info. on the present struggle of the Orthodox Church against demonic powers in Russia, real time 2017? As if her past hasn’t been enough of an example of this. 3. a major truly bloody distraction. All the news channels would cover it, of course. Meanwhile with all eyes focused on that, big events are happening elsewhere. Way too much like 9/11.
I doubt the americans acted out of any concern for possible victims or as an act of decency. They want something. A better pr rep after having been fingered as the daesh puppet master? A veiled threat to Russia, IE: a horse head in the bed, see what we could do to you next time message? Given what I’ve seen of pompeo, and his views of Russia, I don’t see him doing something like this out of good will. Another possibility is it was an independent plot, daesh is not monolithic, which the americans got wind of, perhaps through the terrorists they do control. The americans then warning the Russians for a variety of selfish reasons.
“Another possibility is it was an independent plot, daesh is not monolithic, which the americans got wind of, perhaps through the terrorists they do control. The americans then warning the Russians for a variety of selfish reasons.”
This aligns with my parsing based on the axiom that the Americans are the ultimate Daesh sponsors.
So if the USA rats out Daesh, the answer as to why lies somewhere in the USA-Daesh equation. Like, this was an independent Daesh deal, and the USA is actually sending a message to Daesh command? If there is one . . . Like, don’t venture outside your assigned sphere, namely, MENA.
‘They want something.’
Here’s Putin responding to US demands to ‘do something’ about DRPK :
Seems attempts to arm – twist China have resulted in the Dragon doing a back – flip – and out of the lock.
So it’s’ make nice with Russia ‘time again.
Geopolitical schizophrenia, as Putin all but says in the video.
Look at the timing, right after recognition of jerusalam as israel’s capital and the reaction of islamic countries, their meeting in Istanbul. This does not look good on Trump, so something must be planned and then expose it to tell Putin we are your friends (not Erdogan and Rohani), we just can not trust these molimms, they hate you as much as they hate us. Nice try, am sure Putin did not buy this, did what he had to do thank Trump…and by the way he thanked CIA to send a message :).
My personal experience tells me that lower level officers of government duly constituted with authority do weild it quite powerfully but ultimately fairly. My experience also tells me that government officials who have connived to seize an office never do what is right – ever!!
Hmmm who knows? Maybe someone had a zip drive ready to send to Wikileaks unless the powers that be in Washington D.C. did the right thing. Yes, there are decent people but they still have to play the political game of watching their backs or the back of their boss.
What matters is —they did it.
I think it is a skit worked out to give brownie points to Trump for saving people from terrorism.Don’t buy it for one minute.When the Americans leave Syria then I will believe there is some good will.
also, the CIA has some really good people in it – in fact I’ve heard that MOST of the people employed by the CIA are good and patriotic folks….Trump might want Putin to cooperate on the Jerusalem thing – I wonder if Mossad was also privy to this information ? I’ve heard that Mossad knows EVERYTHING the CIA does now –
The cia also pays their assets more than mossad, which is why so many cia assets are also working for mossad.
Erdogan arrives at Al Aqsa mosque:
What a coincidence, just something to consider.
This is an old visit. Not now
could be a veiled threat:
– “we could blow up a city of yours anytime .. and you wouldn’t know about it until it happens. Think about that the next time you …”
Putin thanks Trump and the CIA, Trump thanks Pompeo, and the WH fully communicates on how good things can be done, if Russia and the US cooperate. It makes Trump look right (“better relations with russia is a good thing”). And i don’t think that the Putin’s base is that upset that he cites precisely the CIA, or will hold him accountable for this, even if they dislike it. Many lifes have been saved after all… It is destined to americans. For CIA/FBI worforce, under high pressure, it clearly indicates that there might be only some rotten political apples in the intelligence community, and that their reputation and ability is louded and protected by the president. Could that be a xmas present from Putin to Trump ? A nice and very cleverly designed gift. a positive and prospective “collusion” to help Trump get the autonomy he hasn’t ? Attacks on Mueller and consorts cannot be used as a “Trump anti CIA/FBI bias” anymore…
Americans own terrorists (people whose acts are terrorism) call moderate opposition and give them all the kinds of weapons they need. those terrorists who work on their own hand just break the game and are not in line with the current streategia. meaning these captured terrorists were not on the CIA payroll. they have to be eliminated. we can conclude that terrorism is no longer dependent on what they are doing, but the definition of terrorism depends on whether they work for the US or not.
It nice to see both Trump and Putin are in an alliance with each other.
Keith: “It nice to see both Trump and Putin are in an alliance with each other.”
And it might be possible that this is the big picture of whole spectacle. They both are benefiting. Not Hillary, Dems, neo cons hardliners …
But also there are growing consciousness among people all over the world that ISIS and Al Qaeda indeed are US/NATO/Israel/Saudi mercenary armies and western propaganda machine and CIA/Pentagon had to do something to earn at least some “good will”.
Banderite plot. Symbolic action with no strategic value typical of the moron peasants. US didn’t want RF to have a justification to denazify red ruthenia.
My first guess was the same as yours, given that the CIA & Pentagram has been bumping off Russian officials at an incredible pace last year, the “heart attacked” Vitaly Churkin most notably, a Major and some servicemen in Syria this year, not to mention their past evil deeds such as Beslan and the theater attack among others, my guess was that something might have blown their cover in St.Petersburg. so it was in their interest to stop that from happening.
The war against Russia is on on every front, from the sabotages and continuing campaign to train more cutthroats in Syria to petty smear campaigns like the banning of Russia from the Olympics. Vitaly Churkin before he was killed famously asked “whos in charge in the US, Pentagon?” after the Dump gave Pentagram & CIA free hands to run most things as they see fit, yes i believe it is.
I think it’s just a threat of what’s in store for Russia.
“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd”
Agreed. The ‘threat hypothesis’ to me is the most plausible: “work with us, else no warning next time.”
Such a terrorist operation could not have been planned if it did not have foreign backing, as it surely did. Had it succeeded, it would not have taken the Russian’s too long to ascertain who planned it. If it is indeed true that the CIA helped (a big surprise to me), then it means that the CIA had come to the conclusion that the repercussions for the US would have been too great, especially if you take into account who created ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
There are never intelligence organizations totally solid. There are always some fragmentation. In CIA just like in Pentagon there are rival fragments (neo cons, DEMS, GOP moderates, just professionals with no clear political motives). These organizations are never really without inner and innate conflicts.
Clearly now Trump and Putin can claim that they indeed co-operate. Is there any chance in US or Russia for anybody to claim that those in intelligence apparatus made something very unpatriotic? No – even Clinton and Mc Cain can’t take that step.
Don’t forget that both US and Russia have enormous ability to destroy this world ten times. Do your really believe in theory that their intelligence are not co-operating in this scenario of Armageddon? You don’t have lived the era of Cuban-Turkey missile crisis or early 1980’s. Also – it is well known fact that all allies all over the world are inquiring each others (Israel has inquired US for years). This is not at all some kind of black&white game folks. Besides today your enemy might be your tomorrow ally and vice versa.
Or just maybe the fsb did find out about it and the Russians let the US know they had found the plot in some indirect way which allowed the US to jump in and say something and thus keep face.?
Albion in a comment above seems a possibility too. But who knows, there are a multitude of possibilities, I am with Saker on this. Thank God for such mercies. Auslander seems close too.
If Izaates is who I think he is, then, in this arena, he is worth listening to.
This seems about right. It has the right tone. And i think the fact is if Saint Pete were to have been hit a point of no return may have occurred in West vs Russia relations. Russia would be quite right viewing such an attack as having been spawned at the least by Western perfidy. So even though debka is quite slanted it is in this instance worth a read:
I strongly suspect that this is a Russian designed political event, with knowledge and complicity of President Trump, and the non-neocon part of his government, who are doing their best to replace him. I suspect, absolutely nothing happenned, nor was anything planned to happen.
There are relatively few “Terrorist” Attacks in Russia, compared to Europe, Turkey and the USA, where they are 10 a penny. They no longer surprise me any more, but I am completely convinced as far as it is possible to be, that some of these Terrorist Attacks – are Real, but the vast majority of them are either totally or partially faked. The detailed photographic, and other evidence is overwhelming to support this thesis, but I am not going to bore you with the details, because it is highly unlikely to change what you think is true. You need to do that work yourself and look at the original detailed uncensored photography, objectively.
There are significant potential advantages in faking Terrorist events, rather than doing them all for real. The purpose of a Terrorist event, is to Terrorize people. It is to put fear into a population, such that they can be more easily controlled. The vast majority of a population will believe that a Terrorist event is real. They are not going to question it, and analyse the details. Doing it real or fake, has almost exactly the same effect, but faking it produces far less mess, and you can get the airport or venue back to normal, exceedingly quickly. Also if caught in the act, of faking it, you can state very truthfully, that this is just a theatrical production (like a movie) and no-one actually died – and it was planned with the full knowledge and agreement of the authorities. What are they going to charge you with?
A cardinal rule of intelop management is to always have a way to “dynamite” the operation.
That’s evidently what happened. One does tend to speculate on why this intelop was dynamited.
Well, they set it up and got it all ready and waited for the firing order…which did not come. Therefore the actors were thrown away and presto CIA looks nice…leaving the implied threat that they don’t have to dynamite the next intelop…do they?.
So basically, a terrorist mafia (godfather rank) i.e. the CIA saved lives after they revealed a hidden terrorist cell (peon rank) i.e. IS, which apparently the Russian security and counter intelligence missed.
Okaay. Let’s try and combobulate that, take a deep breath.
Oh, I’ll throw in a guess just for laughs. Perhaps those aren’t CIA assets under their direct control, but instead under an ally. Perhaps they had a disagreement about something and CIA decided to throw that cell under the bus for blackmail reasons.
the dynamite switch is available to more than one actor, in some cases…Sturm has a good point.
Oswald tried to throw the dynamite switch, they say…
We get nonsense like this in The UK press, on almost a daily basis.
One car (allegedly) vs a US Airforce Base, which for some reason, I don’t understand has the name RAF Mildenhall. The Royal Air Force is supposed to be British.
A very good friend of mine linked arms with hundreds of other women outside an American Air Force base at Greenham Common – for many months in The 1980’s – telling the Americans can you please take your Nuclear Weapons back home to The USA, and please don’t come back.
Eventually, they did.
You would think by now, even the Americans would have taken the hint.
We have never had this problem with Russians, nor even Germans, and The French no longer even try.
Getting rid of the Americans, is not quite so easy, but we are working on several ideas none of which involve using a car. They don’t need one. They can fly direct back to the USA, from where they are on our English Land and take all their weapons with them. We don’t want them here.
Now, the press have upgraded the report – cos it looked silly. Now apparently “shots were fired”.
They make it up, as they go along.
I take this as further evidence of an internal power struggle going within the US government. There is the neocon Zionist faction versus the more conservative Trump loyalists. The loyalists won this skirmish.
The internet is buzzing with stories about QAnon, thousands of sealed indictments against politicians and government officials, and Marines storming Langley collecting incriminating evidence. I don’t know how much of this I should believe. However, it could explain the following visible signs of change:
1) The apparent shift in CIA policy with regard to cooperation with Russia,
2) The almost daily stream of resignations of politicians and other officials due to “sexual improprieties”,
3) The conflicts of interest in the Mueller investigation gaining traction in the MSM.
“I take this as further evidence of an internal power struggle going within the US government. There is the neocon Zionist faction versus the more conservative Trump loyalists. The loyalists won this skirmish.”
LOL, trump and all of his regime are about as zionazi as it gets. That means neocon.
Anything to sell trump…
Interesting story, and the old spy game was always a delicate dance with lots of moving parts, knowns, and unknowns. I agree with the Saker that there are certainly people who are professionals with a sense of honor in all intelligence services, although many of the higher-ranked professionals in the US who sought and reported true intelligence were eased out beginning in the little Bush era in favor of those who would seek out facts to support any politically desired, pre-determined “conclusion.”
As for why the US would tip off Russia on a planned op they were aware of, there are several possibilities. We know the US is neck deep in the entire Islamic terrorist world, and in the US virtually 100% of busts have turned out to be initiated by the FBI as a sting, so it seems most likely the op was at least originally orchestrated and backed by the US, with the most likely goal being disrupting upcoming elections and casting shade on Putin’s anti-terrorism credentials (as well as “Putin brought this on us by meddling in foreign (Syrian) affairs”).
It could be the op got out of control, or morphed into something so bloody certain decent people decided to tip their counterparts in Russia, but that would have been lower level, and by all reports this was a high level, sanctioned tip-off. That would imply either the op was set up solely to be sold out, or (more likely I think) the calculus recently changed such that the US decided there was more to be gained by giving a favor than in the harm to be caused Putin by the attack. This would make some sense, as the US is likely anticipating the need for some substantial political cover by Russia, whether on the Jerusalem issue, Iranian issues, or Korea (not that these aren’t subtlety linked).
More interesting and easier to analyze is the Russian publication of the tip, because there can be only one reason as I see it. On the public level, it has to be because Russia knows that at some point in the future, for any number of reasons, it is likely to do something by way of cooperation with the US that the Russian public will be not entirely happy with, and Putin wants to be able to “blame” it on a favor owed for a significantly good deed by the US. Behind the scenes, it means Russia had much better intel about the plot (and presumably others) than it wanted to admit, which explains why they would so eagerly and publicly state all intel came from the US. Well, and why not sew a little doubt and discord among Wahabies that their sponsors, as always, can’t be trusted?
The entity which likely orchestrated Alexandrov Ensemble tragic event Dec 2016 amongst many other such events would suddenly regain it’s good continence? Hardly!
Suspect blooper that went wrong negating entitie’s routine evil doing.
Dear Saker! You are undeniable excelent analitic, but those words: ”…possibility of a key person in the Administration taking the decision to simply do what is right” reveils Your clear, sincere (I would not say naive) ortodox soul. And I admire You, sincerely for that. But!
In such a terrible overall situation, we can only consider probability for such occasion. Which, after (for them devastating) Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning cases, unfortunatelly ‘ tends to zero’.
I apologize, I’d like to ‘misuse’ opportunity and point here on another excellent (offtopic), ‘must read’ article:
What is Israël’s project in Argentina? by Thierry Meyssan
Read some quotes:
”The Argentinian authorities are wondering about the massive purchase of land in Patagonia (several times larger than the State of Israël) by a British billionaire (…very discreet billionaire Joe Lewis, who speculates on the exchange market in partnership with his friend George Soros), and the « holidays » that tens of thousands of Israëli soldiers are enjoying on his property”.
”They are situated in Tierra del Fuego, at the extreme Southern point of the continent. In particular, they surround the Lago Escondido, which effectively denies access to the entire region, despite a legal injunction.
The billionaire has built a private airport with a two kilometre landing strip, in order to be able to receive civil and military aircraft.”
”While in the 1970’s, the Argentinian army noted the construction of 25,000 empty houses, which gave rise to the myth of the Andinia Plan, hundreds of thousands have been built today.
It is impossible to verify the state of the construction work, since these are private lands, and Google Earth has neutralised the satellite photographs of the area, just as it does with NATO’s military installations”.
”Neighbouring Chile has handed over a submarine base to Israël. Tunnels have been dug in order to survive the polar winter”.
”…Resistencia Ancestral Mapuche (RAM) had been reactivated in London. This is a mysterious organisation which fights for independence (Mapuche Indians). First accused of being an old association recuperated by the Argentinian secret services, the RAM is today considered by the left as a legitimate secessionist movement, but by the Mapuche leaders as an initiative financed by George Soros”.
And finaly, Meyssan brings reader to a clear logical conclusion for (those days) misterious Argentinian submarine loss, that it was on a non-specified « secret mission » in the area.
I’ll just like to remind you on ”Argentine submarine ‘chased by British helicopter’ before disappearing” article (RT, 14 Dec, 2017)
Is Lewis the new Rothschild?
Off-topic, but one never knows how things are *really* connected, which dots are relevant, and which are just random dots.
Israel surely has more than Plan A. Plan B, Plan C . . .
Argentina’s history if full of shadows.
LIke Israel in the ME, Argentina is practically a European transplant within Latin America.
“Thus, most Argentines are descendants of these 19th and 20th century immigrants, with about 97% of the population being of European or partial European descent. Arab descent is also significant (mostly of Syrian and Lebanese origin), and the Jewish population is the biggest in all Latin America (7th in the world). Mestizo population in Argentina, unlike in other Latin American countries, is very low, ”
So, we have a basically european country that mirrors many of the tensions to be found in “Western” politics.
To me this can also be a warning: “this is what we’re able to do, so take notice”.
Are we looking at the possibility (knowing what we do of ISIS) that a third power operates behind the “Deep State” wall and this represents a strike against that by old power as represented by the Office of the President? Is the traditional nation-state reasserting itself against the trans-national globalist hidden-hand?
Although I am aware I sound too paranoid, I think the CIA planned the coup to be executed by some ISIS kids of them. I think they already got something it return from Putin, more so, I think Putin was requested to give this public recognition. I believe we have just been spared thermonuclear Holocaust without even noticing. Keep praying people! it works!
Well, “ISIS” is a Western created-and-controlled mercenary movement — it does not exist as an institution; it is a branding for head-choppers lead by Western intelligence and Western forces and promoted by the Rita-Katz school of public relations. You don’t really think the SAS were driving around Syria, dressed as ISIS no less, and saving Syrian civilians?
No, this story makes no sense unless you really do believe ISIS exists as an independent entity with decision making capabilities free from the AZE. If one ignores the more sobering possibilities, I hope it is diplomatic propaganda aimed at the enemies of Trump and Russia, i.e. it is for US domestic consumption. Other than that, it is a pile of the smelly stuff, in my opinion.
The US warned Russia of this attack yet permitted the Boston bombing on it’s own turf, what is the difference between these two events?
The Boston bombing was staged and no one was killed.
The planned attacks in Russia were theoretically ‘real.’
The riots in Charlottesville were also staged, with one branch of the US government conducting the operation while another surveiled and filmed the entire event, from a myriad of angles and then immediately uploaded the videos to Youtube — to prove the event was a fake.
There are two possibilities:
1. Competing factions within the deep state and CIA are at loggerheads over how to use terrorism to achieve specific ends, with a ‘patriotic’ wing opposed to actually killing people, while another has no qualms about mass murder and actually relishes body counts. In this case the US deep state is genuinely at war with itself.
2. Someone in a controlling position within the CIA and deep state has created these two seperate factions, or rather the appearance of two factions, to achieve over arching goals which are advantageous to the the central controller —
For example, compelling the Russians to cooperate.
Think of it as a high stakes game of good cop versus bad.
Other goals achieved by the central controllers includes maintaining ‘unity’ within the CIA and deep state by giving ‘patriots’ the duty of watching, and to some extent controlling the most extreme types.
Yet, the central controllers will derive benefit no matter which group is acting, and indeed, will permit violent attacks when it sees benefit for itself.
In this case the centre has too much to lose by permitting an ISIS attack on Russia in the middle of the election campaign.
Had the centre calculated otherwise, it would’ve ‘failed’ to inform the Russians on time.
I would further submit that the above described possibility #2 is the basic trinity of all power structures, from perhaps since before the begining of recorded history, and that this structure and organization always reasserts itself over time.
The pyramidical structure of power has long been understood, the knowledge of which goes back thousands of years, where the capstone or centre presides over two more or less competing factions or sides, one which is ‘good’ and pay it’s respects to the Truth while the other is essentially ‘evil,’ thirsting for Power and making use of the Lie.
You can think of this structure in the familiar terms of good cop versus bad, with the person in the topmost position understanding how to use both forces to achieve his overall objectives, i.e. making the accused confess their misdeeds. It does not matter if the accused is innocent or guilty to the person who sees themselves at the top, only that the accused can be compelled to confess. That is what, I believe, the person or persons in positions of central control always want to achieve — a ‘God-like position and status over human affairs including the power to make what they desire be accepted by everyone as the ultimate truth. The people at the top seek Apotheosis, to become God-like, and though they see themselves in overall authority in Truth they are but one of three parts.
I believe this idea is imprinted into our religious literature, as one simplified but very important aspect of the trinity familiar to everyone. One can imagine the Pharisees, Neocons or Clintonites on the one hand, opposed to the Orthodox Christians, Democratic Idealists or Trumpists on the other, all overseen by a kind of Aristocratic Priesthood of Saducees, the root word of which is Cadeuces which is the staff held by a person of highest authority and comprised of two snakes intertwined, represting opposing natures wielded by the holder.
As mentioned this idea is an old one, for example the Greek Hermes Trismegistus was usually portrayed as the holder of the Cadeuces, as was his predecessor and analogue the Egytian God Thoth.
Why is all this important to the present situation and the decision by Putin to reveal the CIA’s apparent helpfulness in the middle of a Russian election campaign?
Remember Putin represents the good guys in this scenario, and in doing so he is committed to telling the Truth. A great many readers will be cynical in this regard and I understand why but for all ‘good’ guys the Truth will always be more beneficial to their cause. The CIA, or someone presiding over it, did indeed likely help Russia avert a terrorist attack but even so there is another, higher Truth, which Putin will not mention in this context but which he and all of his supporters will understand perfectly.
Putin knows, as do we, that the CIA has also created and supports ISIS, and all international terrorism as a rule but he will leave it up to the rest of us to consider this Truth on our own. By thanking the CIA he has signalled to his many supporters, including those ‘good’ cops in the CIA who may see him as a leader of the good guy faction worldwide, that he will not undercut them and in fact he intends to support their mutual cause, which is of course, always and forever the Truth.
When you begin to think in these terms you will slowly see many apparently disparate themes and events come into view. For example the Zionist Macarthyite campaign against ‘Russians’ or “Russian Influence’ is actually a war against Truth.
Or, as another example of the efforts of the good guys to forward their cause, many of you will notice the concerted efforts of certain CIA or allied actors within the community of cultural controllers to encourage the spread of an Orthodox thinking and more generally to generate momentum for a counter revolution within Christianity itself, against the centuries long movement toward ‘Judaisation.’ These are the Independents who have made such good use of the internet. I am thinking here also of the many people who although born in the West and perhaps originally Catholic or Protestant have converted to Orthodoxy, or attempt to encourage others to do so themselves. Jay Dyer is just one relatively well known example of this type of actor.
Interestingly the community of Truth seems to have derived much more benefit from open access to internet media but it is, as we speak, giving the game away, by surrendering the fight for net neutrality or failing to block efforts to control every facet of the internet by the Pharasaics, giving rise to the project to create an non US controlled internet alternative, by Russia and others including most BRICS.
Getting back to the main theme of a war between good guys and bad, while others stand over and attempt to manipulate the situation, this is why Putin ordered the Russian Patriarch to meet with the Jesuit Pope in Cuba. What authentic Orthodox Christians mean to do is remind Jesuitical Pharasaics that if they intend to destroy Western Christianity, Orthodox Christianity will be standing ready and preparing to pick up the pieces to take Christianity back to it’s roots, based on Truth, and as revealed by Jesus Christ. Shia and Sunni Islam play equal parts in this drama so I should not exclude them. Just as we have Calvinists and Twelvers they have Wahabbis and Orthodox, although the parallels aren’t so simplistic of course.
I don’t know who said it but there is an idea that all governmental or social systems are fundamentally theocratic in nature. In this sense we have only two situations that will ever exist within society as a whole.
We have either theocracies — or the times in between.
What those who wield the Cadeuces are doing, and have decided to do by warning Russia of the plot to launch a terrorist attack in Petersburg, is slowly managing the buildup of a new Theocratic World Order under their control, which will take decades if not centuries to achieve from their own point of view.
Depending on your own point of view, and where you plug yourself in, these modern day Saducees are either doing what must be done, or else they are making space for evil to coexist side by side with good, to act as Gods presiding over everyone, and always with equal respect for the ‘usefulness’ of both Truth and the Lie.
Are you the original, long lost Where-Wolf ??
Most likely the link is the Middle East. Those terrorists very likely had connections in Syria and Iraq. And the US has not only an army but also a strong intelligence operation there. Maybe they found it out with eavesdropping. Maybe they heard it from someone that they arrested.
I would put money on some seriously upset folks at the CIA showing the deep state operatives that “No you don’t get to do stupid stuff, get back in line!”. I can only hope that calmer heads prevail more often.
I think that fits, to me.
This was Putin telling Trump that he has complete penetration of the CIA right down to knowing about its planned operations in Russia. CIA never reached out. Putin has gone public with this to warn the U.S. that its plans, particularly about Korea are already known in Russia.
Yes, this is absolutely the most plausible scenario. You can be sure pompeo’s gauleiters are squirming with rage and shame.
Okay that’s an angle I hadn’t thought of. Good press for everyone and makes the deep state in the USA worried about any further plans. Yes that would throw a wrench in the gears.
You are good at this! :)
Within the context of Trump’s security speech today, this warning to Putin about a terrorist attack seems like an attempt by Trump to make it known that he is slowly gaining control of his intelligence agencies. The fact that Putin thanked Mike Pompeo by name seems to be an acknowledgement that maybe Pompeo recognizes that cooperation with Russia and China is inevitable. In Putin’s speech today (or very recently anyway), he acknowledges that Trump is “constrained” and not free to act. It’s hard to know what this is all about, but it seems to be slowly dawning on the US government that cooperation with Russia and China is really the only way to go. In Trump’s speech, he also mentioned the US security technology lag behind China. For sure, someone did not MH 370 and its alleged technology/personnel to reach China.
On another note, I think Trump is taking amphetamines, either Adderal or Dexedrine. He has a history of taking phentermine for weight loss. Trump was criticized today for his weird behaviour, rambling sentences, water drinking, sniffing, etc, during today’s speech. That’s the way I behave when I take too much Dex. But it is great for confidence and control.
I enjoyed reading the comments of Twilight on this blog. They were contrary to most of the thinking here. In a similar vein, I sometimes read the blog of Anders Bruun Laursen. His is a strange blog, almost comic book like, that basically blames The Rothschilds and Satan for the world’s woes. And yet, sometimes he makes sense. Here is his take on this St Petersburg thing:
Here is a thumbnail sketch of what he says: The Trump/Putin relationship is your basic Hegelian Dialectic (sorry for using the term). Trump says that China and Russia want to shape a world that is antithetical to the values of America. Russian remains the most serious existential threat to America. Trump says that US and Russia will now work together to rid the remaining ISIS factions from Syria and the US and Russia will align their thinking with respect to the involvement of Turkey and Iran in the region. The author, Laurson says that his sources tell him that Putin will prevent Turkey and Iran and their proxies from opening new fronts in Syria. As well Putin has allegedly agreed to prevent Hisbellah and Turkish and Iranian forces from attacking YPG elements. As a gesture of gratitude to Putin for his cooperation, Trump gave him a heads up about a terrorist attack in St Petersburg.
So it’s a threat to Putin. Do as your told and rein in Iran and Turkey and Assad so America can continue to gain control of at least a piece of Syria. Failure to follow our instructions will lead to one of your nice cathedrals being blown to bits and the parishioners inside destroyed. Someone in the above comments said that Putin will now do something that he really doesn’t want to do. We will wait and see.
Terrible thing to say, but my first instinct is that the yanks set up this attack so they could then foil it and claim a moral high ground. Like an arsonist setting a fire and then calling the fire brigade…..what a hero!
In the light of the most recent report from the George Washington University about the NATO promises to the Soviet Union and the evidence GWU provided based on some security documents, it seems to me, that Putin was praising CIA for releasing this papers rather than helping to fight the plot inside Russia.
I see it, at best, as a strange and curious incident. One that hardly sums up to an alliance, with Russia, to salvage what is left of Europe and the rest…
One scenario that makes most sense to me.
CIA et al are responsible for ISIS, they are assets in the field. Although they are not very effective for more than causing chaos and bloodshed, I’m sure the “Brains” in the US intel community like to think they operate strategically with their terrorist slaughter.
However, they have created ISIS with a mission statement of “go forth and slaughter” as part of their strategic vision.
Therefore the arrogant, frustrated, insane, well funded, well-trained egomaniac murderers can take this mission statement to heart over instructions from their paymasters. They wanted to make Russia pay, saw the US was losing, mobilised adjuncts of CIA/ISIS resources without adequate authorisation.
So the CIA called quits on an unauthorised operation that would not have served what they deem a suitable strategic purpose (or simply cause too great a risk with Russia – they want profits and global domination, not full on war); at the same time as cleaning house of some rogue assets, sending a warning to others down the line. Possibly bringing their global terror network back to some discipline. All very visible for exactly this purpose.
More Kabuki theater in America’s fake war on terrorism.
Did the Americans sacrifice their own terrorist pawns in order to burnish their “anti-terrorism” credibility and also lure Russia into trusting the United Snakes?
It wouldn’t be a surprise.
Here is my two cents worth.
Perhaps the FSB foiled the terrorists without any help from the CIA and then Putin decided to give the credit to the CIA, who probably were responsible. This lets the CIA know he is a few steps ahead of them and humiliates them. It messes with them and shows he has the confidence to toy with them. What are the CIA going to do about it? Deny that they helped and look incompetent and possibly complicit or accept the praise and live with the contradiction.
I would guess that the CIA told Trump, because its their job to tell Trump (ie too big a story to keep private), and Trump decided single-handedly, after the CIA left the room, to tell Putin, because it is precisely Trump’s known aim to have a peaceful relationship with Russia while paying lip service to, and making token gestures towards the deep state such as the cruise missile attach in Syria.
The CIA would be peeved at what Trump did, but they can’t very easily complain to its a slam-dunk really.
I actually would not be surprised if Trump and Putin have a one-on-one verbal agreement not to effect a nuclear first strike. With that off the table, they are free to fight over the little stuff. Or mock-fight or whatever. So everyone is happy: The MIC gets loadsa money, but not as dangerous as it appears.
Hi Saker, I have read a lot of your briliant articles but this is not the case at all. CIA has saved and gathered plenty of ISIS terrorist from Syria willing to revange Putins victory in Syria akd CIA as well. So CIA not directly, supported some terrorists to organize this attack, terrorist not knowing it was orchestrated by CIA. At the last moment CIA revealed preparation of this attack to Putin. Why all this?
They sent message to russian people, see we love you. The doping affaire is really regarding only the sake of doping, not the russian nation(people in russia must tnen ask, why are not so WADA interested in usa sportsmen doping). Another message is sent to everyone to improve bad reputation in the world, see we are waging terrorist. Next message is sent to Putin, see Vladimir, we can any time organize blodbath in your country. Yet another message to people of Russia, see russians, Putin cannot provide you security, Putin is incompetent, especialy in Peterburg, strong westward oriented town. Not to mention, Putin was forced to thank CIA, and Trump as well
So Saker, you did not noticed these points, why?
Because I work for the CIA and Mossad maybe?
Because I don’t think Putin is an idiot. Which he ought to be to thank the USA and the CIA if you version is correct. And no, nobody ‘forced’ him to do anything. So my analysis is based on two simple premises: 1) Putin knows the facts 2) Putin knows what he is doing.
That’s about it.
OK, lets say we can take this information as being true. Putin acknowledges the timely information and publicly thanks CIA and Trump.
No biggy because now the FSB must sit down and start asking tough questions,
1) How did CIA get the info ?
2) How did these people get the explosives into the city ?
3) What isn’t working in sifting these characters from the crowd to show up on the FSB radar ?
4) Could this be a sacrifice by the CIA of something that was cooked by them or their allies ?
CIA hasn’t suddenly changed its colors. The plane of the Army Choir which mysteriously “had an accident”, the passenger plane over Sinai, etc. etc. could, I repeat could, be 7 degrees of separation from the CIA. Will never know. But I do not believe CIA has suddenly turned over a leaf in its mission respective Russia. Chances of this are close to ZERO.
Interesting story. However, some of the interpretations offered seem unlikely to me.
That the CIA did this for humanitarian reasons seems simply too inconsistent with past behavior. When Trump informed Lavrov that “ISIS” might use laptops to attack aircraft there was considerable irritation in the West. No one thought that possibly saving lives was worth revealing intelligence sources.
Similarly, the theory that this was done for the purposes of rapprochement with Russia or to improve relations with the RF government or President Putin also does not seem plausible. Primarily because I have yet to be convinced that the RF government actually sees the US as an enemy or adversary. They already seem willing to cooperate such in the case of the North Korea sanctions.
What seems most plausible to me is that this was an operation gone rogue. For example, this may have been intended to target the 2018 World Cup games and the operatives went off timing and target. The CIA may have simply decided to shut down the operation. It may have been the best of several poor options.
Sound to me like someone lost his nerve at the last moment. Everyone knows who the IS terrorists have been working for, so who would the Russian people blame if the Cathedral was destroyed by terrorists? Public pressure for a kinetic response might be very strong if this happened, and who knows where that could lead?
President Putin and President Trump made the world a bit safer in Syria and St. Petersburg! Hark the Herald Angel Sang! Peace to my Russian Brothers and Sisters this Christmas!
Or it could have been a propaganda operation by Vladimir Vladmirovič Putin, who publicly thanked for cooperation (when the U.S. propaganda machine is trying hard to vilify any cooperation with Russia) in order to embarrass the U.S. propagandists, regardless of the actual efficacy of the U.S. intelligence contribution (which could been very small, but which could have provided a much more valuable opportunity for pulling off such a counterpropaganda trick).
Here is Andrew Korybko’s view, from Oriental Review, reproduced on Zerohedge:
“In exchange for saving the lives of an untold number of people in President Putin’s hometown, the US expects Russia to respect its post-war interests in northeastern Syria by encouraging Damascus to agree to the northeastern region’s Kurdish-led ‘decentralization’…”
Perhaps the simple answer is the best: Someone did the right thing.
It’s Christmas; today, I’ll be optimistic and hope for the best.
One must keep in mind that the (mostly rhetoric) US aggressions against Russia are only in part really targeted against Russia, I think they’re mostly serving domestic purposes of a branch of the political jungle of Warshington – the neocons and Hitleries. The decision to warn Russia might therefore really just have been the decision of one or a few people within the CIA or administration who are not part of that branch, or maybe even by some who were humane enough to just want to prevent a bloodbath, maybe even for religious reasons since the target was a church and a religious holiday.
My gut feeling and Occham’s razor says so, because the other two scenarios care to many unknown variables.
Might be as simple as a combination of CIA cost/benefit analysis (no tangible benefit, but huge cost of further alienating Russians) + Trump’s resistance to the establishment.
Trump might have revealed with one hand, what the other hand was trying to organize to begin with. Playing both sides is very profitable for the master puppeteer.
If we accept that CIA controls ISIS, but ISIS has independent renegade factions, then this could have been a plot that the US didn’t organise and could blow the cover of other carefully built up cells. So they exposed it, to keep their factions in line and to show themselves in a good light.
Maybe FSB already knew about it, maybe they didn’t. But why thank Trump and CIA so publicly? – to show themselves in a good light, and to keep relations sweet.
We on the outside will never know the truth of the matter if the superpowers want to keep it hidden.
Perhaps there was a realisation that this time there would be no plausible deniability available. That would lead to certain “asymmetric responses” which would be more than a little undesirable.
I think the FSB foiled the attack on their own and discovered the terrorist were CIA agents or paid by it. So Putin in reality with his thanking he only told the CIA “look, we captured your pathetic agents and we know everything about your plot. we gonna pretend we are friends, but you gonna pay for it”