by Anon for The Saker Blog
Yes, we are talking about South Africa and the current and planned policy of land dispossession/confiscation without compensation, as it relates to suppression, oppression and annihilation of peoples in our world. Acknowledging the real and current danger that the 4.5 million white South Africans find themselves in, the situation is analogous to a canary in the coal mine where the canary has already expired. There is no cure or medicine for hatred that exposes itself in the shrill cry of racism but which, in the South African situation, now exposes itself in an underlying profit motive – just a dirty land grab. (See Section D as well as search for Nkandla, the town that previous president Zuma built for himself). No, it is not all a result of apartheid and it is not all corrective or remedial action for apartheid, but it it clearly an enrichment program made up of unrelenting self-interest. I will refer heavily to the AfriForum presentation to parliament translated in full at the end of this document. There is evidence that the White South Africans have reached the end of their tether and are in a fighting mood.
Before we look at the land dispossession without compensation issues and the misleading and quite frankly overstated, wrong statistic that 72% of land is still in white hands, we need to recognize that the land law in the land was only instituted in The Land Act of 1913. Before that time, in the 4 provinces (Cape Province, Natal, Free State and Transvaal), there were different methods to deal with land. The Land Act of 1913 that defined the division of land in South Africa along tribal lines, and subsequently implemented by moving tribes into their own lands, may be South Africa’s original sin. And this sin is what we see being repeated by the current ANC government, only with the hatred and cries of apartheid and killings dialed up to a much more intense and prevalent level.
Here it is, in detail. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/the-land-question-revisited-i and
Yet, this distribution was not along the lines of race, but more along the lines of separate development and tribes. The Black Homelands (10) that were created were intended to be countries, in their own right, almost akin to a federation of states.
It is time to stop talking about whose Great Grandfather ate the Watermelon when the White Boere trekked into what was raw land, and take a look at what is happening now.
Section A) a closer look at the current situation and the statistics,
Section B) a reference to the results of the Trump Tweet Machine,
Section C) the 4 groups of White South Africans
Section D) the clear fact that historically, and everywhere, land dispossession as the canary in the coal mine is invariably accompanied by gross violations of human rights in order to enrich the already rich.
Section E) accompanying links
Section A) Current Situation
The current revisionist history from the Black perspective reads as follows:
“The Bantustans or homelands, established by the Apartheid Government, were areas to which the majority of the Black population was moved to prevent them from living in the urban areas of South Africa. The Bantustans were a major administrative mechanism for the removal of Black South Africans from the South African political system under the many laws and policies created by Apartheid. The idea was to separate Black South Africans from the White South Africans, and give Black South Africans the responsibility of running their own independent governments, thus denying them protection and any remaining rights a Black could have in South Africa. In other words, Bantustans were established for the permanent removal of the Black population in White South Africa. “ https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/homelands
Sidebar: Let me be ironic for a moment as it is high time that we look at the policy of separate development for what it was, and not the overwhelming racial facade that it is now being painted with. Take another look at the bolded sentence above. How terrible that the policy of separate development was intended to give the black tribes independent governance of their own. And the revisionist history states that this independence denied them rights in other areas of the country? That’s true, however, the White South Africans in South Africa had no rights in the independent homelands either. I could not buy land there. So, were my rights not also denied? Sometimes one has to look at both sides of the fence and it is high time that the policy of separate development gets a fair shake. It is a failed policy but was it necessarily an evil policy? One may well ask why did the tribes not start developing their own areas? We are talking about tribes with no written law and no history of property rights or ownership, (although oral tribal law existed) versus Europeans with a long history of written law and ownership rights. Are we looking at apartheid here, or are we looking at a method of co-existence that was intended to protect everyone within their own cultural circles and willing to put in some work. There was a major and non-integratable clashing of cultures and that is why the policy of separate development was instituted.
Let us take a quick look at apartheid or correctly called separate development. Apartheid started de jure in 1948. Even in the 1980’s the policy was being dismantled. So, we are talking about a short period of at the maximum 1948 to 1994 – 46 years give or take. This statement in no way attempts to excuse or justify the excesses of the de jure implementation or the previous de facto implementation of apartheid, but in comparison, one cannot take the land away from people that had been on the land upward of 400 years. In the big scheme of things, the period of apartheid was a relatively short timespan vs the 400 years of folks on the land that built a country. Yes, fair redistribution must be looked at, and the South African Government tried to do that, twice, and both efforts were complete and utter failures because there were too many hands in the pot. And there lies the tragedy of South Africa under the current government. One can only but read about Zuma’s enrichment of himself and an extrapolation that this exists right through the ranks will not be inaccurate.
We should also then look at the Afrikaners as one of the first to fight an anti-colonial struggle and fought 2 wars against the British overlord colonials, one of which they won decisively. (Boer War I). The second one (Boer War II) the British overlords attacked women and children and even Black South Africans went into concentration camps, and the Boers caved in. Where do you hear in the black rhetoric today that the Boers decisively fought colonialism? Or is that fact forgotten? Let us remember that it was the white Boers that fought colonialism and that the black countrymen in certain stages sat in the very same concentration camps that the White Boer Women and Children were dumped in. But mostly, the tribes sat this one out and left the White South Africans to fight colonialism. The Boers did not want to be slaves of the British Empire Let’s get real about who fought, and who did not fight colonialism. http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol113nn.html
In the current situation, there is much discussion on whether what is happening in South Africa to the White South Africans can be classified ‘genocide’, or ‘ethnic cleansing’. Depending on how the legal definition is applied, it is one or the other.
One such discussion offers up President Ramaphosa’s stance and ideology to deal with the approximately 4.5 Million White South Africans:
“Ramaphosa’s comment that Malema’s ‘home’ is in the ANC, regardless of his (Malema’s) blatant racism towards Boers and white farmers in particular, can be read within the context of Ramaphosa’s comment regarding how the ANC intends to deal with white people. In his memoirs, political veteran Mario Oriani-Ambrosini wrote what Ramaphosa confided to him in a private conversation in the early 1990s, during the negotiations for a new South African Constitution:
“In his brutal honesty, Ramaphosa told me of the ANC’s 25- year strategy to deal with the White South Africans: it would be like boiling a frog alive, which is done by raising the temperature very slowly. Being cold-blooded, the frog does not notice the slow temperature increase, but if the temperature is raised suddenly, the frog will jump out of the water. He meant that the black majority would pass laws transferring wealth, land, and economic power from white to black slowly and incrementally, until the White South Africans lost all they had gained in South Africa, but without taking too much from them at any given time to cause them to rebel or fight.”
AfriForum wrote an open letter to Ramaphosa to explain his statement, but Ramaphosa did not respond, nor deny making such a statement. It should also be noted that there is no international treaty that specifies a specific crime of ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing in the broad sense of the word can, however, be characterized as a crime against humanity under the statutes of the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
What this tells us yet again, is that there is an existing strategy to do away with the White South Africans, whether we call it genocide or ethnic cleansing and land dispossession is another tool in the toolbox, another tried and tested method. This method however is not one that you will ordinarily find in the ordinary toolbox of the affairs of a state – it is a specialized method as discussed in Section D.
People generally think that apartheid was this mad killing spree. At no time in South Africa, even with the excesses of apartheid, did serious mass killings or planned mass killings of Black South Africans ever happen. Yes, I hear the calls: “What about Sharpeville?” No, I didn’t forget Sharpeville but those making those calls must also remember what the focus of Sharpeville was. This was not a planned and pre-meditated killing. Read it yourself and then refer to other massacres of White South Africans detailed in the translation of the AfriForum presentation to the Government on 6th September (in full at the end). The presenter said in no uncertain terms that these massacres of White South Africans are not even present in the black historical record today. These remain forgotten but Sharpeville remains sharply remembered. How convenient. Let’s get real. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre
Yes, Sharpeville turned into a massacre and in any of the purported records where the numbers of people dead is stated, the numbers are still questionable to today. This should never have happened. But a planned and thought through policy of state sponsored genocide or ethnic cleansing it certainly was not. What we see today is a deliberate state sanctioned and sponsored policy of killing White South Africans.
The Truth and Reconciliation Committee found that between the years 1948 and 1994, 21,000 died in political violence
– approximately 100 were killed by white right wingers
– 600 were killed by government forces.
– 19,000 were killed during the ANC’s Peoples War against their black opponents – black on black violence.
Perhaps those numbers tell the story.
According to Ilana Mercer (links at the end) by the end of the 1980s, the influx control laws had been scrapped, public facilities desegregated, and racial sex laws repealed. “Black South Africans were allowed full freehold rights to property” and admission to historically white universities. Apartheid was now a policy in transition. So, given that I said that apartheid lasted 46 years, we can now say it lasted 38 years as it stopped being implemented at this early stage. In January 1985, State President P. W. Botha declared that Black South Africans in South Africa proper would no longer be deprived of South African citizenship in favor of Bantustan citizenship and that black citizens within the independent Bantustans could reapply for South African citizenship; F. W. de Klerk stated on behalf of the National Party during the 1987 general election that “every effort to turn the tide [of black workers] streaming into the urban areas failed. It does not help to bluff ourselves about this. The economy demands the permanent presence of the majority of Black South Africans in urban areas … They cannot stay in South Africa year after year without political representation.” In March 1990 de Klerk, who succeeded Botha in 1989, announced that his government would not grant independence to any more Bantustans or homelands. Separate development effectively had failed, and was dead. Apartheid was a discriminatory policy and the Whites were privileged in white areas. In black areas however, the Whites had no rights.
Let me remind you in April of 2009, former South African President Jacob Zuma stated: “Of all the white groups that are in South Africa, it is only the Afrikaners that are truly South Africans in the true sense of the word. Up to this day, they [the Afrikaners] don’t carry two passports, they carry one. They are here to stay.”
Let’s look at the misleading and grossly wrong statistic that 72% of land is still in white hands. The Government Statistics were proven to be garbage.
There is no 72% of land in white hands, but more like 22% (See link below). Given the fact that white hands grow the biggest proportion of the food, 22% is quite a miracle in South African circumstances where about half of the country is desolate, short of water with cyclical drought and can only support certain types of agriculture. Sheep and Red Bush Tea (Rooibos) are good examples. If you overgraze those conditions, you create desert. The white farmers found methods to make even this marginal land, with very little water, profitable and productive food generating land. Almost half of South Africa is dry and desolate land, in danger of desertification and that is why these farms are so big.
Refer Water Stories of the Drylands
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics they say. Following is a more accurate overview of land ownership in South Africa which shows around 22% is in the hands of White South Africans. Apparently the Government forgot to count some vast areas of land. They forgot to count land already in black hands and the previous black homelands. They also forgot the land that changed hands under the program of willing buyer/willing seller. They also neglected the land where tribes made claims for land that they thought belonged to them, and simply wanted to be paid out with no intention of owning the land. They also forgot to take into account the massive areas of game reserves belonging to the Government. Who knows what else they forgot to count as their 72% calculation did not take into account all the land in question. Simply, the numbers do not compute. We find that the current ANC government in South Africa has a hard time with counting. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/ramaphosa-and-the-effs-dodgy-land-stats
Lets look at the number of farms and the shrinkage over years and this will illustrate the food crisis staring South Africa in the face:
1980 – 120,000 commercial farms
1997 – 58,000
2025 Est – < 15,000 * This estimate was in 2011 long before the recent moves by the government, so that’s likely to be an unrealistically high number. Currently, there are approximately 20,000 farms advertised for sale – this would be just about every farm in South Africa.
The current government failed miserably to carry out their own land restitution programs and to support fledgling black farmers. Read the AfriForum presentation to the Government on 6th September included at the end.
Statistics show farm prices in South Africa have plunged by a third since December 2017. Agricultural output shrank 29 percent in the second quarter of this year compared with the previous quarter, the largest negative change among all industries. The agricultural sector employs 843,000 people, almost double the number of jobs in mining. It is time for summer crop planting in South Africa. Will the farmers plant food during the threat of the expropriation of their land or will we see a slow farming strike?
Who is in favor of land dispossession without compensation?
– The UK has declared that they endorse land dispossession without compensation as long as it is done legally (even if the law of the land must be changed to make theft legal, but that is the UK for you).
– The IMF declared that they also endorse land dispossession (right, can we all see the IMF loans being negotiated?)
– Xi Jinping – General Secretary of the Communist Party of China supports land dispossession (but the reason for this is a little different).
The South African government tried to dispossess 2 very large wild game and hunting farms in the North, by offering the owners only a scant 10% of the value, only to find themselves stymied and thrown into court. The general commentary is that these farms are just too big. However, the issue is that to have a big game hunting farm with big game animals requires space for the animals and they also bring in external tourist dollars. What may explain the Xi stance, is that there is coal and necessary raw material for steel production underneath the game farms and during the court case it was exposed that a Chinese consortium was promised this land as part of a special economic zone and that the Chinese consortium would mine the coal for various purposes and would build a steel manufacturing plant. Of course it is close to the Zimbabwe border and China has significant interests in Zimbabwe. (One can of course see that Trump’s 25% tariffs on steel may be having unintended consequences here).
There has to be a decision, a mature and well reasoned developmental policy decision by the South African government, whether good food producing land for food security, should be used for industrial development, or not. There is no perceivable policy here excepting the self-enriching policy of taking the Chinese money. This land in this area is cattle producing land.
Spontaneous land expropriations are happening now. One example, a cattle farmer, 70 years old woke up to a group of black folks measuring out plots of the farmer’s land, saying that they have the full right to take his land. What is more shocking, is that they burnt down grazing for cattle that takes years to establish. The farmer left his farm and up to now is in hiding. There are a number of these ‘spontaneous expropriations’ throughout the country.
The banks’ position is that if any farm is expropriated and there still is a loan on the farm (or property), the loan will of course still have to be paid but not by the expropriators but by the original owners regardless of the fact that the loans were collateralized by the land.
Section B) The Donald’s Tweet Machine … did it do any good?
Twitter: “I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South African land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers.”
AfriForum, (An organization to encourage the re-engagement of the Afrikaners and other minorities in the public sphere with a vision that Afrikaners – who have no other home – are able to lead a meaningful and sustainable existence, in peace with other communities, here on the southernmost tip of Africa), visited the United States and after consultations, Trump’s Tweet appeared.
Do you really think that the Black South Africans in South Africa will sit back and listen to Uncle Trump who, in reality, is everything that they despise? A very rich white man telling generally poor Africans what to do? After that Tweet the response of White South Africans was to strengthen their neighborhood watch patrols as they were expecting more black/white violence because of this tweet. Two things happened as a result of that tweet:
White South Africans increased their protection mechanisms but still 3 Farm Attacks happened in 8 hours after that tweet.
If there was any hope left in the White South African community that the US will ‘come to their rescue’ cowboy or movie style, this hope is based on nothing and there are signs that White South Africans are educating themselves on current conditions and attitudes in the US and despite a large group still holding out hope that Trump will help them, this hope is slowly eroding. Yet, hope springs eternal and people will grab onto anything if it gives a little hope.
Ramaphosa is generally accepted to be a US supporter and it is to be debated whether he even blinked about Trump’s tweet or internal pressure in the country. “Let’s share the land”, he now says and he withdrew the land expropriation bill for more discussion. There are many presentations happening now, and the most explicit presentation so far came from AfriForum on 6th September. A full translation of this appears below and it needs to be considered as I see a clear unwillingness of the white farming community and the white community as a whole, to continue being the whipping boy for the black majority dictatorial government. This is why I say that the Boere are in a fighting mood.
Section C) the 4 groups of White South Africans left in SA
People that cannot leave
These folks are made up of people just too poor to leave where circumstances have already thrown them into squatter camps and the harsh life has robbed them of any self-respect. Without a clear refugee status, and financial support, these folks are not in a position to leave. Think about people in aged facilities, those that have family that cannot leave for one reason or another, or people that perhaps don’t have the smarts. This is a large grouping. There are also people that simply cannot get passports because they cannot get a police clearance, or have debt of some kind or another that prohibits them from getting the necessary paperwork. Bear in mind that White South Africans are essentially excluded from the workplace.
“A very small percentage of White South Africans in South Africa are farmers. We are in many different occupations. Most of us can’t leave South Africa, because we are either too poor or too old.” As the country deteriorates in terms of services like passports and paperwork, it is more difficult. One now cannot renew a South African passport, but have to apply for a new passport and this takes 4 to 6 months if one can find original documentation. Some of us will have read about ‘papieren bitte’.
People that can leave but do not want to
There are basically 2 groups here. The one group believes that there still is hope, as the Afrikaner spokespeople like AfriForum are doing a good job and all out genocide and murder can be avoided.
The other group are those that suffer from cognitive dissonance and think that Chinese investment will save the day, or create a bloodbath. There is no clear understanding that China will not involve themselves with interference in the internal policies of a country. We have to remember that South Africans were for many years under sanctions. Only a very small number could visit other countries. In a manner of speaking we are still a generally naive and law abiding group with a biting sense of humor seeking simple pleasures and are real feet on the ground folks. One comment here: “Fleeing SA is not easy. I have a US passport, and it still took my family 3 years to legally emigrate. Most of the emigration routes require an SA police clearance which takes 6 months or longer. As the government crumbles, the ability to get that piece of paper becomes more and more difficult. If you’re just thinking about leaving now, you may be out of time, so prepare for the worst.”
People that are willing to make a fight of it
These are the Suidlanders and other groups, usually portrayed as white supremacists. In reality, they are simply people who want to live with their own culture and are getting ready to fight for what they built.
This group is estimated to be 200,000 men, woman and children. I believe there are many more. They are well prepared for emergency evacuation from cities and towns, civil war and extensive siege situations.
Lauren Southern interviewed a few Suidlanders in her documentary Farmlands (link at the end). I would recommend this documentary. Of course much criticism can be leveled, but overall she did a good job and captured the zeitgeist.
People that have resources, perhaps more than one passport and can leave any time
The reports in the press on 15,000 farmers moving to Russia sound very upbeat. There are very few South Africans that have the financial ability to do this. If their properties and lands are dispossessed, the chance that they can leave with a savings to start anew, is very small.
A Heartening Trend: In general, a small but very heartening trend is that White South Africans are beginning to protect themselves. Black farmers (yes, there are a few commercial black farms) are speaking up. To illustrate, three specific examples come to mind:
Sasol, the South African petrol company created new employee regulations where they were dispossessing the White South Africans of their employee share scheme. This newly created share scheme is only for Blacks and not for Whites. The slogan is White South Africans are Worthy. This is huge and may be the start of the end of the government policy, rules and laws, of excluding White South Africans in the workplace. This however is a strike with a difference. White South Africans do not necessarily strike – they will rather negotiate and White strikes are a very new phenomenon. There are no violent picketing lines, there is no shouting of slogans, the strikers are simply having barbecues, music and picnics and marches. Meanwhile it has been reported that the strike has put the company two days behind in production. Solidarity has 6,300 members working at Sasol and they’re all said to be taking part in the strike action. There are different reports on how many Black South Africans are taking part. The general feeling about this from the White South Africans, and I quote: “Ek is so trots op die manne! Kyk, geen geweld nie, maar hulle maak hulle stemme dik!”
“I am so proud of my people. Look, no violence, yet they are making their voices heard.”
The idea here is of course that if White South Africans are going to be excluded from the workplace, then, they will withdraw their labor, as well as their expertise.
This black farmer is thanking his white neighbors for helping with a fire on his farm:
Lentswe Mokgatle is the former mayor of Mogale City – His farm caught fire recently – He shared on Facebook how his Afrikaans neighbours rushed to help put out the fire: https://briefly.co.za/15868-afrikaans-neighbours-praised-dousing-black-farmers-farm-fire.html#15868
I have heard of another black farmer that is beseeching the ANC government not to continue with the land grab. He says that he has had tremendous support from his white farmer neighbors to allow him to actually farm, and even now he is dependent on education and support from his neighbors. Farming depends on strong support structures and when South Africa was a food producer juggernaut, farming was supported by the government as a critical industry.
Before we leave this section to take a look at the wider context of Land Confiscation and Dispossession, let us hear from some black conservative voices and only on a basis of complete anonymity are these published. These testimonies are completely rewritten, so that these people cannot be traced:
“Not all Black South Africans (conservative middle class minority) agree with the land grab. They know food security will fall apart. The real issue is that the ANC government is losing support because of their promises to the majority Black South Africans. The ANC promises of a better life, better house, jobs, money and land has not and cannot be fulfilled. The majority of Black South Africans think they can sit back and wait for the ANC to deliver on these promises and the ANC is now losing support because they cannot deliver on their overstated promises. The EFF has a radical approach which sounds like a good replacement of the ANC promises. Kill the Boer sounds sweet if it means that the promises of a better life, better house, jobs, money and land (all for free) can again be promised by the EFF where the ANC has failed. The new President wants to win the 2019 election by legalizing the land grab without compensation. Conservative black voices understand that the idea of the White South Africans having stolen land from the Black South Africans is propaganda by both the ANC and EFF. The real idea of this thinking is that the elimination of the South African White population according to the EFF and ANC is a small price to pay to win the 2019 election. As tension builds up toward the 2019 election the excited majority Black South Africans have started to victimize and kill White South Africans. Tensions run high and the killing will only escalate into 2019.”
In this piece, note the suffering of the Black conservatives under ANC rule.
“SA culture is very conservative, deeply so. There were many other Black Conservatives whose voices were silenced in order for the ANC to be promoted. It’s a long story and black conservatives got burnt alive but survived with nobody helping defend them the world over – our parents had to fight for themselves to survive being burnt alive in all the horrors from 1984 – 1995, in what was called Black on Black violence. We watched as the World and the ANC formed “Mandela the Iconic Figure”, despite South Africa having had great non-ANC black politicians who even died in the hands of apartheid, like Steve Biko.”
With these voices, there still is hope for South Africa although time is getting short. I am still of the opinion that separate spaces for the White South Africans should be created. I am quite convinced if the previous black homelands are now given to the White South Africans, they will make a go of it. Not in an erstwhile apartheid format, but until these groups can integrate by their own decisions and not be killed slowly by ANC Rule, this is about the only solution.
Section D) The Wider Context delivers a clear fact. Historically, and everywhere, land dispossession as the canary in the coal mine is invariably accompanied by gross violations of human rights in order to enrich the already rich.
If you remember the previous piece that I wrote, it is the old question of musical chairs in terms of self enrichment. You may remember the phrase that the new President used: ’Reconciliation is now Over.’ It is now another group’s opportunity to enrich themselves. Zuma and his entourage with their blatant robbing of the country are gone; it is the new group’s opportunity now at hand for some blatant robbing. They will rob the farms and the property of the Whites (or anyone else), and sell it to the Chinese for a massive profit. China is buying, so the ANC government will sell what is theirs, and also what is not theirs.
In the bigger context land dispossession is not new. It is a basic technique and one of the first ‘canary in the coal mine’ indicators of genocidal or ethnic cleansing abuses or serious federal or state abuses.
Here are a few examples and there are many more:
The Bundy Ranchers where serious government overreach was uncovered.
The Ukraine where a knowledgeable analyst told me this: “The Maidan was about taking the richest arable lands in Europe from state ownership and transferring ownership to the globalists. The state ownership was the only barrier protecting the population that lived off and on the land. With this protection gone, they will be forced to sell their parcels. They will get worthless cash.”
And we see conflict being sparked here as well with supposed ‘border corrections’: https://www.rt.com/news/437583-kosovo-serbia-land-swap/
El Salvador, where in excess of half a million indigenous El Salvadorians just disappeared.
Take a look at the list of similar land grabs – https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7722/j.ctt6wp9mv
Finally, the The Palestinian Right of Return that is being weakened as a concept in front of our eyes.
And here is a specific document where he phases of hostile take-over land grabs by states were studied:
The process is:
First, a coercive coalition is formed between the security agencies of the state and a paramilitary unit intent on deploying punitive actions against civilians. (With the farm murders and general murder rate against the White South Africans, does it not seem to you like a ‘paramilitary unit’ in various groups is active? Especially in the light of the continual remarks made by the leader of the EFF?)
Then, an accumulating coalition is created between state authorities and national entrepreneurs, whose businesses are based on export products with high demand in the global economy. (Now refer to the issue of the 2 hunting and game farms in process of being grabbed and the noise that they are being grabbed for China. Does this not seem to you like an accumulating coalition?). If you take a look at this land grab unemotionally and purely on the basis of action do you see that different state agencies are enabling the land accumulation by means of alliances and public policies: coercion, land markets, and incentives while hiding behind corrective action for apartheid?
Given those research statistics on land grabs, does it not seem to you that the issue of demonizing the Whites is simply a pretext for a Government Land Grab. Really, it has little to do with the White South Africans and the history of apartheid, excepting that the White South Africans are vulnerable as a minority and the state can use them as a pretext neatly rolled into the popular and divisive racial issues of the day?
Why should you support the White South Africans, the Indian South Africans, the Zulus and the other minorities that are in fear of their lives, but beginning to fight?
In South Africa, why land dispossession is de rigueur and why everyone (including Donald Trump and his tweet machine) is now paying attention, is that this method of dispossession illustrates more than any other the format of either genocidal or ethnic cleansing abuses. This illustrates the real issue in technicolor and not simply in black and white (irony intended). Behind this is a racist ideology, hatred driven and very public, but in private, it is just a dirty state land grab, economically motivated and enriching state and private coffers. The fact that these 4.5 million people are white fits the narrative of today, where the racist epithet and label is used to demonize everyone and everybody.
If you support the Palestinians, you may be honor bound to support the White South Africans as this is happening in South Africa now, and the Palestinian problem has been with us for a long time. We did not support them very well and we did not stop the problem in its tracks. In South Africa, we still have a little time to prevent more bloodshed. You must insist on hearing the Black Moderate Voices and understand that each minority in this country is in the same pot being boiled.
If you support Lugansk and Donetsk that are under threat simply because they are Russian, and will not obey a Nazi state, you are honor bound to support the White South Africans. Because neither will they obey a dictatorial state intent on killing anyone and dispossessing their possessions.
Why is it that people can see the validity of the case for the Donbas Republics, and for the Palestinian Right of Return, but cannot see the validity of the White South African case? It is because the black white issues of racism and previous excesses are being deliberately put forward to confuse and grab the heartstrings of anyone that does not make a good study of this. The white supremacist movement is helping in terms of awareness, but also not helping as it frames what is happening in South Africa as a racial or black and white issue.
In South Africa, the issue is clear: “White Man You Must Die! And, we will dispossess you on the pretext of color and “You have no Rights in Africa.”.
In other words, we are done with the coercive coalition and deeply into the accumulating coalition. That we are talking about people that have been there upwards of 400 years where anyone else was migratory and nobody else farmed, nobody else built cities and nobody else developed a country, is obscured by using the excesses of apartheid. These are people that tamed a wild land. We’re talking about 400 years where white farmers employed labor from black populations and black populations lived on these farms, before the hatred was ignited. We’re talking about lands where swathes were given (rightly or wrongly) to the tribes and where they could live and do what they wanted; land where self-government was encouraged.
The White South Africans in South Africa are losing their land rights and their lives now. It is now the time to speak up. Personally my belief is that these Black homelands were not the right to way to go. But it happened, and it is noteworthy that these homelands did not develop in any way whatsoever. If we talk about 400 or even 100 years ago, the White farmers started with nothing more and nothing less than bare land, similar to the Black homelands as well as a competent state that developed the country and supported food sovereignty.
Why are these Black South Africans wanting to kill me and my kin? What’s up with that? We’ve all experienced the excesses that the policy of separate development, better known today as apartheid brought in its wake. What is the reason to continue and amp up extreme hatred; now Black on White or on Anyone that Disagrees with the ANC?
Most thinking South Africans were cautiously optimistic on the 1994 elections and were willing to welcome a new dispensation, a new Rainbow Nation. Let us say this more clearly – Many White South Africans swallowed the story hook, line and sinker with a lot of hope for a unified country.
The iconic Rugby World Cup in 1994 – Captain Franscois Pienaar and Nelson Mandela who wore a Rugby Jersey with the Captain’s Number on it. This was the first World Cup to take place in South African following the end of apartheid. Nelson Mandela became Pienaar’s children’s godfather.
The behavior of the current rulers is changing the original openness for change and enfranchisement of all in the South African sphere into hatred as a result of the brutal racist policies that are openly supported and encouraged by the ANC and the young dogs of war of the regime. Who is the damn racist now?
“The white man has been too comfortable for too long,” Malema told a crowd of supporters (…) https://citizen.co.za/talking-point/1900773/that-time-julius-malema-gave-an-acting-judge-a-lesson-on-racism/
and Racist Malema, no longer a joke. https://www.businesslive.co.za/fm/opinion/between-the-chains/2018-03-08-sikonathi-mantshantsha-racist-malema-no-longer-a-joke/
Separate Development as a Policy was created to allow for significant cultural differences and for different people living together in peace, until it was brutally implemented to keep the Whites and the other tribes apart. We have to also acknowledge that the tribes were warlike, and wars were continually played out and planned. This policy was not envisioned as evil. It was envisioned as the only way that people could live within their own cultural norms. These cultural norms between the European descendants and the tribes clashed. (See Ilana Mercer links at the end). A recreation of this by the ANC and a more brutal implementation are not in the interests of anyone. Boere are South Africans that happen to be white. They have no ties to the lands where they came from. They have no right of return. The French escaped France on the basis of freedom of religion and only wanted to grow their grapes and make wine. The Dutch just wanted to come and do business and cock a snoot at the Brits. The Brits just wanted to come and exercise control over the Cape Victualing Station that was important to get their tea and silk and cocaine from the East to and fro to Britain (until diamonds and gold was discovered).
Whiteness is not the enemy despite the idiocy of enforced multiculturalism in the common language of the day. Brutality, hatred, racism, greed and willingly killing your own countrymen are the enemies. Poverty, lack of education and lack of a relatively reasonable way of life are the enemies. Unwillingness to lend a hand to your neighbor, whatever color, is the enemy.
Whereas the homelands as a policy of apartheid was a failure, one has to ask yourself why? And one should recognize that there was land for the black tribes. And one should also recognize that historically, as far as I know, there were no commercial functioning farms within these black homelands. Black farming was subsistence only. In the black culture, the number of livestock (cows and goats primarily) was a sign of riches. Their own land became overgrazed. There are a few farms now but commercial farming is hard and without a supportive governmental policy and an educational base, it is not an easy career to simply choose. Farmers in South Africa have degrees in Agriculture. It is not like anyone becomes a farmer overnight.
Because I am talking mostly about White South Africans, it does not mean that I am clueless or unaware of the plight of the other minorities in South Africa. The Indians, the Zulus and other minorities are finding life equally hard but we will let them speak for themselves. The level of crime in the country is unbelievable with full food trucks now being hijacked and all the food stolen as a matter of course. There are few deliveries of any nature (normal service) as these deliveries get hijacked and it is too dangerous for anyone to handle this simple service. The country is falling apart while the Blacks bellow that they are into corrective action for apartheid and roving gangs of black criminals slaughter the Whites.
Land issues are complex. The situation in South Africa is complex. A simplistic comment that you blame this one, or that one, will be, by definition, shortsighted. Locally, the Boere are getting to be in a real fighting mood. See translation below. It is as if not one of those members of the South African parliament understood one word of the AfriForum presentation because in reality, they don’t want to. As you will see, they are drunk … drunk on ideology – an ideology not based on historical facts, rather on the desire to advance racial hatred under the pretext of reparations for apartheid, in fact, only to enrich themselves. The country is in a technical recession, prices for food and commodities like petrol are rising dangerously, the South African power utility Eskom said on Monday that it had less than 20 days of coal supplies at 10 of its 15 coal-fired power stations, posing a threat to national power supplies. Already there are rolling energy blackouts. The University students want to throw out science, because science does not explain Black Magic, they say, so it is not African. The students do not understand the difference between science and esoteric matters. Public schooling is generally stated to be in a worse condition than the Black schools during the height of apartheid. There is no more time for the ANC government to indulge and gorge themselves in blood thirsty visions to ‘Kill the Boer’. This government should seriously buckle down and get on with running a country, before it crumbles in their hands and they turn into El Salvador where a half a million people were disappeared, or into a civil war.
The situation is dire and the Racist is not who you think the Racist is. We are very accustomed to think that the racist is white.
The ex-EFF member and co-founder of the party says he’s always warned that Julius Malema’s hatred of white people is “potentially genocidal”.
“This is part of why I left the EFF. Malema used to make it clear how much he hates white people. He used to say the plan was to use white people and their resources to build the EFF until it could take power. Then when we are in power, we take everything from them.” (Now, compare this with Eugene Terreblance, who was an aberration from a previous age prancing around on his horse, but not a genocidal aberration).
Section E) Accompanying Links
Farmlands by Lauren Southern – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk
Whats going on – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTge_RfnkuY
Ilana Mercer – http://www.unz.com/imercer/apartheid-in-black-and-white-truth-about-the-afrikaner-1/
Mike Smith’s blog now archived http://archive.is/FkLCx
Read at least his final submission – 19 June 2017 – A Final Word on Resistance
Translation referred to in this article:
Harsh words come with AfriForum submission on land reform
September 6, 2018
Reported by JanJan Joubert
The worst and most aggressive statements so far about land reform followed this afternoon during and after the civil rights organization AfriForum’s submission to parliament’s ad hoc committee that has to decide whether the Constitution should be amended to facilitate expropriation without compensation.
AfriForum’s deputy chief executive Ernst Roets handled the organization’s presentation. He started with examples in which the government’s land policy failed for both black and white farmers.
After that, Roets argued that what he called the ANC / EFF alliance was rooted in Marxism and Leninism and the centralization of state power and the quest to make South Africa a communist state.
He believes the aim is now to apply policies applied in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Cambodia, Zimbabwe and Venezuela to South Africa and to showcase the world’s most successful economic policy as racist and oppressive.
According to Roets, this is why so many black pioneer farmers complain about government, and why 23% of South Africans are currently living on state-owned land, and why only 6% of land transferred for restitution is currently owned by black private owners.
According to Roets it is a lie that white people stole ground. According to him white people found land in three ways – they settled on uninhabited land, they obtained land through agreements or purchases and they received some land through conquest.
Roets admits that legislation such as the Native Land Act of 1913 and the Group Areas Act were unjustifiable, but argued that anyone who believes white people cannot own land in Africa is similar to European fascists who believe that Blacks may not own land in Europe. He argued that those that believe black people should be able to own land in Europe, but say that white people may not own land in Africa, are hypocritical racists.
According to Roets, the government has already spent 50 billion rand on land reform and transferred only 5% of land to black ownership in the process. He argued that if this whole amount was used for land purchases, half of the country’s farms could have been purchased.
However, according to Roets, to make this land reform a success, was not really the goal of the democratic revolution in South Africa. He quoted the Motlanthe commission that maladministration and corruption is in actuality the root of all evil in land reform.
Roets further stated that unauthorized expropriation is bad for investor confidence and pointed out that since 2015 South Africans invested more money abroad then inland – this is a first in the history. He thinks that to apply expropriation with compensation is as good for the economy as considering that Kentucky Fried Chicken acts in the interests of Chickens.
He stated that proponents of expropriation without compensation follows the same steps as Einstein’s definition of madness, repeating the same thing and expecting another outcome.
He believes the ANC and EFF demonstrates joy in hurting the middle class and the ANC and EFF policy will lead to economic collapse and starvation which would hit the poorest. The more prosperous South Africans will leave, which will destroy the tax base.
Roets said that there is no land hunger in the country because 59% of land claims and 84% of land occupations are in urban areas. Black South Africans urbanized quickly and 93% of those offered a choice between land and money, chose money.
Roets said that the land issue should not become or be represented as an issue of race. The ANC and the EFF already represents it as such. It is equally unacceptable to blame all white people for the whims of other white people, as to blame all black people as killers because some black people are murderers.
He asked if black people would now pay for the murders at Bloukrans and Weenen, or the murder of the Van Rensburg trek. He is convinced that those that are now insisting land expropriation without compensation as reparations for apartheid do not even know what these historical events were.
He accused members of parliament of being drunk on ideology – and ideology not based on historical facts, but on the desire to advance racial hatred and hopeless socialism under the pretext of reparations.
Roets concluded by accusing members of parliament of being drunk with the ideology of the failing national so-called democratic revolution. He said they were drunk, because every decision is aimed at increasing their own power. He claims they are drunk with hatred and condescension, not only for white people, but also for the poor who suffer most from the hatred and division.
The reaction of the Members of parliament was equally aggressive and vicious. ANC members of parliament said it is not true that large parts of the country were uninhabited when the Voortrekkers (Boere) moved inland and that their grandfathers fought against the taking of their land. They asked him what he would do in their position.
The ANC accused Roets of hating black people, and hating the ANC and EFF dominated the thinking. It has been argued by the ANC that the country has no food security as long as the poor are hungry as it has been for centuries. The ANC members told Roets that they tried to listen to him sympathetically but they found him arrogant because he singled them out. They accused AfriForum of being as bad as Black First Land First and that his submission will count against AfriForum in future.
The UDM followed by saying that the only positive thing about the submission was that it was so explicit. Ten borders wars were fought in the Eastern Cape, resulting in 3 million hectares in the province now in the hands of white people and only 250,000 hectares in the hands of black people. The UDM stated that they have no use in talking to AfriForum and that they are considering support for a change of the constitution.
The IFP moved against AfriForum’s proposal and accused AfriForum of wanting to anger everyone, instead of presenting historical facts.
Cope asked whether AfriForum would propose any solutions and distanced themselves of the AfriForum submission.
There was more talk and the EFF said that if AfriForum wants war, they will get it and AfriForum is the personification of racism from Pretoria. EFF stated that the AfriForum conduct during their recent visit to the US was false and treacherous and that the land should simply be taken.
This process is continuing.
Anon – Look at that incredible beauty. They are under tremendous threat now.
Great news for South Africa. They must be doing something right to get the zpc working a regime change op (color revolution) there. But will the zionazi-gays succeed in causing civil war in South Africa, like they have in so many other countries not subservient to zionazi-nazi hedgenomy.
its time people.accepted the truth ; that the history that we study is a whitemans narrative of events- fake history !!! everyone knows in Africa that the Boers,English, Germans,Spanish ,Belgians, Portuguese are criminals of the lowest order !! look what they are doing to Syria
“everyone knows in Africa that the Boers,English, Germans,Spanish ,Belgians, Portuguese are criminals of the lowest order !! lo”
-Yes, sure, “everyone” in Africa knows that whites are criminal of the lowest order, that is why africa is a racist shithole where nobody wants to live, not even the black racists. If only whites hade taken the chance to create a free ethnostate for themselves instead of making themselves a minority in a black supremacist regime bent om blaming them and their children for all the failure of said black supremacist regime.
” everyone knows in Africa that the Boers,English, Germans,Spanish ,Belgians, Portuguese are criminals of the lowest order !!”
-Just like everyone in Nazi Germany knew that Jews were criminals of the lowest order.
Maybe it is Soros who is funding them to fight each other as a deflection for the genocide of the Palestinians by the khazarians .I don’t think Orcland was about arable lands but about control of Eurasia.It was russophobic Zbigniew Brzezinski (adviser to the house negro Oblunder) who wrote that. Of course Zbig was influenced by Halford Mackinder and blinded by he’s hatred of Russia which goes back to old Polish Nobility . The Brits will come to help you but i heard they don’t have fuel for the surface fleet anymore . So much for living around water and making a mess at every place . We shall soon see who is going to “shut up and go away”
The present privileged position of White South Africans is firmly based on historical crimes of murder and forceful dispossession. Thus the author’s call for us to “…stop talking about whose Great Grandfather ate the Watermelon” is asking us to ignore the elephant in the room.
White South Africans own the majority of arable land and the extremely valuable mineral resources of the country as a result of race-based violence that set up the present status quo.
If they are really interested in living peacefully and prosperously with their fellow non-white citizens they would acknowledge the historical crimes that led to the present situation and work towards a redistribution that compensates for the centuries of racist oppression that resulted in the racially skewed wealth distribution that blights the country.
firmly based on historical crimes of murder and forceful dispossession.
-The irony is that the exact opposite is true. White farmers actually build those farms themselves from literally nothing. And now black supremacist are taking the farms by murder and forceful dispossession based on race.
You think too much of yourself. What do you think black were eating? Are you aware that Bantu people were farmers before the European nation ventured to African shores?Bantu people were not hunter gatherers, get you facts right, offspring of a vile nation!
offspring of a vile nation!
watch your language or get banned
Completely with you, Tshepo
The entire article itself is based upon this racist premise that before the White man there was nothing and without him everything will return to the primitive tohu-bohu. Regarding farming, everything began he says, “when the White Boere trekked into what was raw land”. I instead regard the South African Bantu as a rare synthesis of all Africa, the man reuniting in a single person the Farmer, the Herdsman and the Hunter-gatherer. Plus everything beetween and around. What the White man really introduced was not the butter but the guns, that is, the means and ways for capitalistic “primitive accumulation”. To the Americans, so attached to their guns, or to the Boers who “only wanted to grow their grapes and make wine” according to the author, if they honestly think that they would have survived without the herds, seeds, sciences, techniques and even pharmacy passed to them by the Natives. Cecil Rhodes survived malaria thanks to their knowledge and we know how he said thank you…
The author goes as further as to present the Boers as ardent independantist. Which is true when we follow the USA precedent. But the Bantus largely preceded, and multiple times.
The same racist blindness applied to the dishonest insinuation that the White man in South Africa is the next Palestinian.
What is occurring in South Africa is simply a replay of what happened in Rhodesia back in the 1990’s
Ian Smith tried to hold out but he was advised by Heinz (Henry) Kissinger, and thus Rhodesia became Zimbabwe with Robert Mugabe as president until last year. Under Robert Mugabe the farm confiscations occurred along with the murder of many white Rhodesians and much of the British Commonwealth decried these brutal murders, so much so that the Canadians listed the situation to be addressed by the CHOGM meeting in Brisbane on the 6th October 2001, but it was adjourned to the 5th March 2002.
And so with this adjournment the SIS, ASIS, CSIS, and the CIA went to work, and Joe Vialls was pulled out of retirement to again pose as Ari ben Menashe with his trusty ‘sidekick’ Alexander Henri Legault with their company Dickens and Madson, with an invented background supplied by the CSIS per the journalist Brian Hutchinson, with the intended target the Zimbabwean Opposition Leader, Morgan Tsvangirai being set up as requiring Mugabe to be assassinated.
What this accomplished was to allow CHOGM to alter its agenda from the murder of white Zimbabwean farmers to the ensuring of ‘proper elections’ in Zimbabwe.
Seated within the courtroom for Morgan Tsvangirai’s trial was one ‘William Sloan’ who Ari ben Menashe named as his personal ‘Legal Adviser’. Ben Menashe then went on to name an unidentified person who sat in at the Montreal meeting between Tsvangirai and ‘Dickens and Madson’ as Edward Simms.
The key state witness in Morgan Tsvangirai’s trial, Ari Ben Menashe said he only knew Simms as a member of the Team America (slang for the Central Intelligence Agency). Simms, according to Ben Menashe was the CIA deputy director for Africa. The CIA in Washington has said it does not comment on “whether people work for us or not”.”
And all of this ‘theatre’ simply demonstrates that as far as the ‘elite’ of the UK/USA care the white South Africans much the same as the white Zimbabweans will be left to their fate.
Does this compute with the ‘black refugee’ problems within Europe? You can figure that one out for yourselves.
The whites had a wonderful chance, they could have created a homeland for themselves and split South Africa up. South Africa was and is a very unnatural construct like almost all African countries. Containing many ethnic groups that do not get along. And there is no better way to create an unstable and conflict-ridden country than to make it multi-ethnic and multicultural. Sadly they failed to do that, instead choosing to follow the western multicultural model, which basically creates a anti-white society centered around hating whites for all the failing of multiculturalism. A society that is permanently fractured, but also needs this racial fracture to blame whites for all the failures.
Instead of the miserable South Africa we could instead have around 15 ethnostates each taking care of their own people and minding their own business.
That is right and was the intention with the homelands. The international community would not recognize that. One could look at the history of Bophuthatswana to see how possible it was for one of these homelands to survive. That is another sad story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bophuthatswana
Great analysis. On the same trajectory, Europe and the US should also aspire to have a collection of ethnostates. I think the Algerians will like to have the Paris area. The Cubans would certainly like to have Florida.
Curious how black Africans demand the right to invade Europe and yes, the US too, in massive numbers reducing the indigenous white populations to minorities in their own countries while actively try to dispossess the white minority in Africa.
If you are miserable here, f, that’s your own fault. It’s not the country’s fault, it not the political system’s fault, it not the lack of multiple “ethnostates” fault. Pssst – it’s not the fault of “all the black people.” Just yours.
Being miserable is just a bad habit. Only you can change your own bad habits.
Start telling yourself your cup is half full – Get a life, man! But please, the Apartheid Dinosaur has left the building and he’s not coming back.
So much anti-White hatred, much of it coming from and sanctioned by our (((elites))). You see these lies everywhere. At least once a week I read some msm nonsense about how Putin is an altright white supremacist who wants the world subjugated to the whims of white Christian Russia.
It should be obvious that elites are setting up the White man as a scapegoat but the narrative of inveterate evil White men believing in and seeking White supremacy is emotionally satisfying for many people to believe in. The fact that the Anglo-Zionist elites who actually seek worldwide hegemony promote globalism and multiculturalism is ignored.
Well said GG
How did the Afrikaner nationalists assume government originally? The violent Smuts repression of the white workers revolt on the Rand, when the mining magnates sought to use cheap black labour, resulted in an electoral backlash, with nationalists in alliance with Labour; just as previously the Afirkaners were pushed aside each time plutocrats wanted the mineral wealth of the region. The Afrikaners are the perpetual victims of plutocracy and long fought it.
Whites were driven from Africa after World War II primarily by US based financial and industrial interests using such organisations as the African-American Inst. In SA, the Progressive Party was funded by Oppenheimer. Its economic policy, as indicated still by the Helen Suzman foundation, is free market economics. The aim was what Harry Oppenheimer stated to be a ‘vast new consuming public’ by creating a nebulous mass; something alluded to by Noam Chomsky. Verwoerd, who personally knew all the dialects of SA and insisted the same of his ministers , was well aware of the real -enemy – the plutocrats headed by the Oppeneheimer empire. The study commissioned by Verwoerd into the power of Oppenheimer went missing after Verwoerd’s death, as detailed in Stephen Goodson’s recent biography on Verwoerd. He was also considering how to reform the banking system.
What was the economic policy pursued by the ANC ? – privatization, declared by the ANC to be the ‘correct Marxist-Leninist path’ – of the state utilities (parastatals) that the Afrikaner nationalists had created. They are now run by transnationals instead of the state, albeit in a shambolic manner.
As for the Zionists and Israel, while feigning friendship with the SA Government this occurred in later years when successive Black states turned against them after having originally been installed with Zionist help. One might think of the way Israel backed the Mau Mau, Idi Amin, et al. Israel was a safe haven for fugitive members of the terrorist network to which Mandela belonged, some of whom were veteran Zionist terrorists. They were lauded in Israel as heroes.
In Rhodesia, under Mugabe, despite the rhetoric about having land handed over to the Blacks , the biggest land owners remained the plutocrats who funded Mugabe.
The drive against White rule in Africa was because the old colonialism had become a hindrance, the power focus had shifted after WWII from Europe to the USA, capitalism had become international rather than imperial, and the rhetoric about ‘Black freedom’, the winds of change’, etc. was sheer bunk of the same type as the ‘colour revolutions’ funded by Soros, USAID, NED, et al, ad infinitum, which Putin has wisely booted form Russia.
Actually, I had a premonition last night. I begun to suspect that the issue is of much more sinister nature. Here is what I think:
SA is in financial doodoo. Western Elites tell them: “Our multinational Agri-Companies need your land, Give it to us”
But: “We do not want the raw land, we want the land prepared by the White Farmers, which would be great to take over”.
But the white farmers won’t give it up. Take it away on the race pretenses. You have done this before, do it again. You will have the support from the blacks.
This is my thought on the subject at hand.
This way the hard working Whites are made to pay for the corruption, misdeeds and mismanagement of the current governments in SA.
Ramaphosa to UNGA: Seized South African farmlands ‘to be shared by all’
“South African President Cyril Ramaphosa warned the UN General Assembly that his government is planning to implement controversial reforms to correct racially skewed land-ownership patterns.
“Nelson Mandela’s vision continues to guide us as we seek to improve the lives of our people in many ways,” Ramaphosa said. “We have started a comprehensive dialogue on the question of land reforms, as we seek ways to guarantee the land is shared by all.”
According to government data, more than 77 percent of South African farms and agricultural holdings are owned by white citizens with only four percent of lands belonging to black South Africans. The overall population of country is comprised by nine percent white people and 76 percent black people.
The president also commented on Donald Trump’s America First policy, saying that no country can prosper at the expense of millions of others. “We must take collective responsibility for the development of all nations,” Ramaphosa added.”
Yes, this is the new story, in the last 6 weeks. When there was a world outcry, the narrative quickly shifted to ‘sharing’. I come from a farming family and I know the farmlands and the requirements of farming. Sharing just ‘aint gonna do it, and someone is going to be hungry here.
There is no plan here to ‘share’. There is only a plan to ‘take’.
No you’ve got it all wrong. The farmer relinquishes title to his land but does all the tilling, harvesting, and other labor, while everyone else shares the fruits of his harvest. I’m sure this will work out fine! (j/k)
On a more serious note, I remember seeing my child read in a book about how alien and eurocentric indigenous people find the notion of private ownership of land. This may be true of hunter-gatherers or even pastoral people who wander from one green pasture to the next with their livestock, but for people who till the soil, sow seeds, fertilize, and weed out invasive plants, and then harvest when crops are ripe the notion of private property ownership is obvious as it allows one to reap the fruits of one’s labors.
Private property originated with this tradition, although it is true that the creation of a wealthy feudal class distorted this notion as it allowed absentee landlords to reap economic rent while serfs did all the work.
The Land issue is a Sad example of how we human beings are detached from reality , and a danger to all that exist within our reach.The esteemed master Jesus taught us to “do unto others as we want done to us”. He also cautioned Peter that , He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword”. The ancient Africans viewed at high esteem a quality in an individual called “Humanity”. The ancient Africans were repulsed by the concept of land ownership. How can you own you mother ? Land is the attribute of God himself. used by , to be revered by us , it will nourish us and will be our final resting place. The ancient Africans were a highly spiritual lot The Current rulers of Africa are a confused lot. After centuries of occupation by a system foreign to their nature as human beings, it highly understandable why they behave the way they do. The primary sin of the western civilization with regard to the case in point is To treat land as a commodity. Unfortunately it brings about suffering to man and land itself. It is like a snake swallowing its tail. Sad ,,,,
I found this article alarming in it’s attempt to whitewash apartheid and the Bantustan concept.
From a moral pov, what the white people did historically was wrong. There’s no two ways about this. You went there and happened upon a backward people who barely had a developed idea of possession which this article then asserts is a basis for believing that they could therefore not be dispossessed. This is as disingeneous as me claiming a 5yr old knew what he was doing when I got him to sign over his trust fund.
The fact is, there can never be equitable co-existence between the backward Africans and the advanced Europeans. The problem persists to this day. White people imported Africans to European nations as slaves, but morality ultimately dictates that people be treated equally regardless of race. But the starting point for Africans was way behind Europeans, so try as they might, as a social group, Africans continue to lag, to this day! This ultimately proves to be a problem for both blacks and whites. The blacks can’t seem to catch up and whites are constantly held back.
The inescapable fact which seems to be out of the reach of 99% of Europeans and Africans is that YOU CANNOT LIVE TOGETHER. The Whites should never have settled in Africa and the Africans should never have been imported to European nations. White guilt is real and justifiable because it was the actions of Whites which caused both things to happen simultaneously.
While I don’t think it’s right for white farmers to lose their land without compensation, to try and justify Bantustans and Apartheid is dishonest. This seems to be the position of Russia… a dishonest position. I believe this indicates Russian motives against the Zionists. Whilst they don’t really care about the immorality of the zionist actions the main driver for Russian actions may well just be a seat at the table.
Ali, you are saying: “The blacks can’t seem to catch up … are constantly held back”. I say really? Who is holding them back? They can’t blame whites for their own deficiencies. They should look at themselves first. The current SA government is basically black, so they can’t say it’s the white government. Besides, SA became economic power only because of white rule, when they ruled. I am going to end by saying: “people can live peacefully together, only if they want to”. Also, you know that blacks in France and GB came there of their own will, because they wanted to benefit from the “white world”? They are actually paying to be able to flood Spain and other Mediterranean countries. Isn’t there some kind of F-up logic?
Actually many of the main founders of the ANC were Jewish and many continue in positions of power today. Just sayin’. Now, they might be proud South African Jews; or they might be the supremacist kind that love to destroy countries (e.g. Zionists, Communists etc). I don’t know. But SA doesn’t look too good at the moment.
That is exactly not what I’m saying. And you’ve reflexively jumped into assuming that.
The reality is, that you ALL have to face up to, and you need to start doing it now, is
1)Not all people are created equally.
2)We inherit physical (which also implies mental) traits from our parents
Put these two things together and you will realise that certain groups of related individuals will have different strengths/weakness to other groups of related individuals.
Black people may NEVER catch up academically to Whites/Chinese/Indians just as Whites/Chinese/Indians may NEVER catch up on track & field to Black people.
Ultimately, everyone should be treated fairly based on what they are able to achieve. Now this is important so pay attention: When you live together, you will be unable to treat another group, so vastly different from yourself, fairly (at the very least in their and your own eyes even if not in reality) because your brain will not allow you to. This is doomed to failure. Two things are real, justifiable and inescapable:
2)Black intellectual inferiority
Say I blame whites and say I am racist – say what you want but this is God’s challenge to humanity; can you be just?
I would imagine that an obvious and simple solution to this problem would be inter-marriage. Everyone complains about migrants/refugees to Europe that will not assimilate. The solution should be the same in each case. Assimilation, become one people. Insisting on maintaining a distinct identity, culture, etc will inevitably result in conflict. This has been a sore spot for Jews and their host populations for centuries.
“I would imagine that an obvious and simple solution to this problem would be inter-marriage”
-Lol, yes, if we are to believe the globalist the “easy solution” would be intermarrying billions of people with each other.
The easy solution would of course be to not to press hundreds of millions of people of different origins and cultures into the same country. But instead, allow each people to have their own country and culture where they were free to develop on their own and follow their own particular inclination.
Assimilation is a natural process unless consciously prevented. Works well in countries such as Brazil. In any case, how do you “allow each people to have their own country”? This is the tricky part. Who decides who gets what?
What you are arguing for is actually genocide, and part of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan. White South Africans would thus cease to exist as a people. Would you be happy then? What if Jews, Blacks, Russians, Eskimos and Red Indians were completely bred out? Would you still be happy?
I suppose I should reply that what you are actually arguing for is racial purity laws and Apartheid. Populations change over time, it’s inevitable and natural, given the migratory nature of humans. In Mexico, this is looked at as a positive thing. Two peoples, European and Native, joining and combining their respective strengths to form a new people. Unless rigorous controls on inter-marriage are maintained it’s not possible to maintain a European enclave in Africa. If the Afrikaners want to live in Europe, they should return there. Finding a way to do so is their problem.
And you suggest forcing the issue? Just like in the Western commercials? Flooding TV watchers with mixed marriage propaganda?
No, just to remove unnatural barriers. Unfortunately, with the high level of animosity that appears to exist in South Africa any such efforts aren’t too likely to show much progress. it’s a Catch 22. Assimilation is most likely when relations between groups are good. However, there have been instances where this has been instituted as an actual policy such as Paraguay.
The prognosis does not appear good in this case though. There does not seem to be a model which has yielded a stable and peaceful bi-cultural society involving a colonial people and an indigenous people. In the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Israel the culture and society of the indigenous population was left shattered and broken. Africa seems to be different only in that the indigenous group appears to have the upper hand. A peaceful solution seems unlikely, unfortunately.
Go back 120 years after the Anglo Boer wars. The British were the victors but faced with a human resources nightmare. They did not have enough pure bred British humans to man their ever expanding empire.
It was none other than Cecil John Rhodes who made the policy change to recruit other nationalities but only under the condition that they were white.
The advanced British culture loathed the uneducated Boer peasant’s. But policies are policies, and this began the task of transforming a backward (by European standards) Boer nation into the advanced Afrikaner culture we see today.
It never happened over night either. The “good old days” (as SA whites still refer to it) of Apartheid only peaked in the late 1970’s, early 1980’s. What’s more, in a system designed for them to thrive, hundreds of thousands of South African “poor whites” were never uplifted out of poverty. The derogatory Afrikaans name for a poor white person is “gaawie”.
These people were those left destitute from the Boer war era. Afrikaners are a proud nation. These topics are never discussed on social media.
The blacks were systematically held back. They were caught in a confusing education curriculum that forced them to learn two foreign languages of the main two colonisers (English and Afrikaans).
So here you have kids who learn to speak in their mother tongue (Buntu languages) and only when they begin school they were required to learn in English and Afrikaans.
So now in 2018 we are faced with multiple generations of poor black parents and grandparents who were not educated faced with raising the future generations.
But progress is being made. I visited the top university in Cape Town not long ago. Young, wide-eyed black kids everywhere.
The chances of a complete transformation of South African society to an advanced culture is slim in a Capitalist society even though the majority of people are naturally communist – they share everything.
But as with our Afrikaner countrymen, it will take a few generations but black South Africa will catch up.
From a moral pov, what the white people did historically was wrong. There’s no two ways about this.
-You are already wrong. Firstly “white people” are a group consisting of babies, children, women and men. “White people” can never do anything wrong. They are not an individual but simply a group with similar characteristics. The moment you start blaming people based on their race, you are a racist.
Secondly. There is no such thing as morality. Each group act in their own interests and each group will kill and take from other groups if they can. Groups, where the majority of people have white skin, are no different. The Islamic regimes enslaved and murdered around 100 million Africans, today many citizens of African countries capture and eat pygmies, back in the old times, Europe was invaded, occupied and colonized by Africans, turks and eastern asian.
When you start talking about things that happened long ago and then start saying that people today based on their skin color should “compensate” based on what someone else with the same skin color supposedly did. Well, you are a pretty hardcore racist. There is no group of humans that has act in a unique way. In such a world everyone would need to compensate each other eternally.
But of course, then we are pretending that we live in an equal society, and this is not just about hating white people, which it is.
I am racist. I am not white. But people need to be treated fairly. People can only be treated fairly within their own groups. It’s fine to have slight variations within your group but it’s not fine to take two groups and artificially enforce that they live together.
“White people” just like “Black people” when taken as groups of people rather than individuals have a collective conscience and behaviour. When Europeans went to Africa, they encountered Africans. The European group of people behaved collectively, in their own interests (ie. White people’s interests… against black people), to the collective Africans. White guilt is the guilt that the “White people” group feels about their collective, historic behaviour towards the “Black people” group. To deny group behaviour is to deny the existence of society/culture/history. What my parents do in their life dictates what I become in my life and this in turn, dictates what my children will do in theirs.
Sure the North Africans are racist against the Black Africans, but this is nothing to do with Islam. This is again, black vs white. What are Arabs? They are simply white people mixed with Black people. It is Where Europe meets Africa. You’ll see the same racism between Afro-Caribbeans and Africans.
It is futile to deny that we are all racist. All humans are racist. Few humans are fair and just. That is the challenge from God.
Religious people should never ever be racist since racism is fundamentally a pagan notion
I find difficult to follow you in that one. At least for that reason that so many religions show up as the best conveyors of racism, while being the main place from which the quality of “pagan” is uttered in the first place.
Aren’t pagans religious themselves?
“What are Arabs? They are simply white people mixed with Black people. I”
Excuse me, but I think this is nonsense
Syria is the Arab heartland.
Arabs are Semites, in general. People in Syria are not Arabs, although they speak Arabic. THe lands that Syria is on have been part of the Core Middle Eastern Greek World, so many of them are Greeks now highly likely mixed in with the Persians (Persians are what’s generally speaking referred to as Indo-Europeans) and Semites (the guys from Arab Peninsula who invaded ME in 8-12th century AD, many of them were brought by the Turkmen when they moved on Byzantium, long story).
I think the opposite..that any and all people can live together. the problem is systems of exploitation..which are what we have known for the past 6 thousand years +
systems of exploitation requires slavery, exploited workers, all kinds of indenture, systems of social separation and the ideology/philosophy that justifies them. there must be class and racism, caste and lords of the manor, separate school systems: there must be stultifying religion that displaces reason as the basis of intellectual activity..a major source of the production of ignorance in the world
and over time exploitative formations have fought and killed all democratic alternatives to exploitative society, maximized human insecurity and instituted sophisticate financial slavery by debt on the people. the masters of finance has entrapped almost all nations and peoples in the massive game of global debt.
all are responsible for some form of debt no matter where they live. if they have no personal debt they pay taxes on what they need to live on their wages etc. and from these are extracted debt to pay the financials enslavers.
in such divisive society people cannot come together as their obvious differences are used to divide them in extreme ways.
if the people manage to get rid of exploitative society they can only institute a democracy to meet their needs..non-exploitative, necessary cooperative such a society over time takes care of the peoples needs and generates the opposite cooperative social ambient and actuality to exploitative society
Ben, Correct. Interestingly enough, (Lykurgus in Latin) the lawmaker in Sparta 820BC forbade Spartans to strive for riches as well as ripping other people off.
Small quote: “All his reforms promoted the three Spartan virtues: equality (among citizens), military fitness, and austerity.”
And no, contrary to what Wikipedia suggests he was not quasi anything.
Greek video about the same (Giorgos Lekakis shows the laws in Spartan’ Doric dialect as well as in modern Greek) Lekakis talks about the real Spartans and gives them the cultural credit, which the West insists on giving to Athens (sorry it’s in Greek):
Greeks were there before Christ and the Communists.
It is interesting how many want whites to keep the land they have acquired in South Africa during the colonial and Apartheid era’s, might as well support the Israelis in keeping the land they have acquired from the Palestinians and Syrians in the Zionist colonization effort there in the Middle East.
And the same dispossession and fragmentation exercise undertaken with the homelands during Apartheid in South Africa is happening with the Palestinians in Israel; divide and rule and constrain as much as possible as a prelude to eradication. It was called ‘separate development’ in Apartheid South Africa and is called the Two State Solution there in Palestine, same difference.
gT, it is not a question of ‘wanting to keep the land’. As I explained there are upward of 20,000 farms for sale in South Africa now. These farms can be bought fairly as they have been excellently developed over many years. I can tell you one thing for sure, I never received land that I did not pay for. Yes, I agree with you about the Palestinians. It is the same thing. That is what I was trying to highlight that land dispossession usually has a nefarious ‘under the counter’ reason.
You are comparing Israelis who stole land from Palestinians with Whites who acquired their land by: 1) occupying unoccupied land or 2) buying it from local chiefs e.g. Piet Retief who was then murdered by the Zulu King Dingane after the transaction. Population of South Africa in 1901 was 1 million Whites and approximately 1-3 million Blacks in an area double the size of France. Subsistence farmers do not tend to occupy much land so there was plenty of land to go around, especially outside of high rainfall areas. Blacks lived in high rainfall areas which is exactly where their independent homelands were located.
Personally, I think it is much more interesting how Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians, Americans get to keep their land despite stealing much of it from the original inhabitants and genociding them.
No land was unoccupied in South Africa. The old argument of people being in one room in a house doesn’t mean that the other rooms in the house are unoccupied applies. Also, the various disease epidemics brought by the White settlers and the various wars amongst the Black settlers in the interior which left the lands sparsely populated does not mean that the land was unoccupied, it just means the populations there were recovering just when the Groot Trek of White settlers into the interior happened. Also the purchase of land from those who don’t have the faintest clue what that means renders the transaction null and void.
Possession of stolen property is a crime, irrespective of how much was paid for the stolen property and how many improvements have been made to the stolen property, or how many times the stolen property has changed hands.
In Palestine one Israeli could sell property to another Israeli ad nauseam, yet the Israeli currently “owning” the property is still in possession of stolen property. Having paid for stolen property does not suddenly legitimize it. The land still belongs to the Palestinians who were dispossessed of that land. And the argument for limitations on foreign ownership of land for strategic and security reasons also applies to Palestine, so the sale of some land to some Israelis by some Palestinians is illegitimate.
The only time stolen property becomes legitimate is when the original inhabitants are basically exterminated, as happened in the USA and Australia, otherwise the property still belongs to the original inhabitants. Agriculturists and pastoralists are much more difficult to eradicate than the mostly hunter gatherers in North America and Australia. For one thing, agriculturalism and pastoralism supports greater numbers and thus greater resistance.
Therefor, since the Whites were unable to exterminate the Blacks in South Africa, it means that the land still belongs to the Blacks, or more accurately, to the Khoisan, who were there before both the Whites and the Blacks, or even more accurately to the San, who were there before the Whites and the Blacks and the Khoi. Certainly most of the Cape belongs to the Khoisan and not to the Blacks.
Eventually the Whites are going to lose their illegally acquired land in South Africa, no matter how many clever arguments are advanced to the contrary, it is inevitable. All that remains to be seen is if its going to be a gradual, peaceful process, or a sudden, violent process aka Zim style, or a combination of the two.
The propaganda book which gave rise to the “unoccupied land” myth. It’s really no fault of SA whites to make claims such as “the land was unoccupied when we arrived”.
The falsehoods and omittances were necessary for nation building. No kid wants to sit in history class and learn how their ancestors committed the most horrible genocide and fathered a modern mixed race population of 6.8 million people from the rape of Khoisan women 300 years ago after which they stole land and over hunted wildlife to extinction. It’s just not good for nation building.
I notice you haven’t refuted any of my my arguments or provided any facts to back up yours. Whites were well able to exterminate Blacks. Horses + guns = extermination capability. However, Whites did not exterminate Blacks, due to the Christian religion of Whites and the need for cheap Black labour. If Apartheid was so evil and Whites were so evil and had absolute power, how did the Black population grow from 1-3 million in 1901 to 40 million today? The answer lies in medicine, hospitals and education, paid for mostly by the evil White taxpayer who could not afford many children due to heavy taxes which a sizeable portion were spent on uplifting the Black population.
When the Voortrekkers moved into the Orange Free State, it was uninhabited due to the Mfecane / Defecane whereby Shaka Zulu murdered around 2 million Blacks. Natal south and west of the Tugela River was again uninhabited for the same reason – this land was sold to Piet Retief’s party in return for retrieving King Dingane’s stolen cattle. Blacks did not occur west of the Fish River i.e. in the Western Cape. Most of the purebred Hottentots died in smallpox outbreaks leave only those of mixed race. Thus much of South Africa was unoccupied or sparsely inhabited by nomadic hunter gatherers, and subsistence farmers who do not require huge amounts of land – I estimate about half the country was unoccupied. The Blacks naturally settled in the highest rainfall areas of the country where the Apartheid government allocated their homelands – in the prime farming country. Again, where is the stolen land? The Transvaal Agricultural Union has had a reward available for a number of years now of R100 000 for those who can prove land was stolen in South Africa. It has not been claimed yet. Perhaps with your extensive knowledge of the subject you can claim the reward.
Nah, I’m just going to sit contently in the pub, watch my hopefully diversified enough portfolio meander along, and wait for the inevitable to happen, its 100% guaranteed that Whites are going to lose their illegally occupied land in South Africa. It defies the imagination too think that those who were forgiven for the crime of Apartheid still expect to retain the proceeds of the aforementioned crime.
Hmm, interesting, you basically admit (without admitting it) you lost the discussion and now you pretend to turn it into a Pub joke. Good try bud.
Eish, how to write this now to get it past the moderators: Intestinal gaseous emanations from items of interest to paleontologists are of absolutely zero consequence to me, you are still going to lose the land :-)
Mod: Hmmm. Well done.
Second try. First of all I have no land in SA, therefore I will not lose anything. My problem is with BS you are spreading, and if you think that paleontology is history older than 300years, then I weep for the Whites in SA.
Isn’t the black supremacist regime ruling SA the same as the the Israeli government in your scenario? Both Israel and SA are brutalizing a minority and stealing their land and their farms.
Boers and Palestinians are both a brutalised minority living under racist regimes facing racial discrimination and a brutality that most of us cannot imagine every day. Having their homes taken from them by a racialist state that hates them for their skin colour.
In South Africa you want to punish the children for the sins of grandfathers. In Israel it is the current generation that is doing the sinning.
Yes, what is happening in Israel today is what was happening here under Apartheid. … They just call them “Palestinians” instead of “non-whites.”
Right at this moment our govt is trying to expropriate without compensation, a game farm that the current owners bought after the ANC came to power, ie., after the end of Apartheid. How does that fit in to your “keep the land they have acquired in South Africa during the colonial and Apartheid era’s?”
I will not comment on the article, but on some stuff I heard before and some skewed anti-white racist comments.
I will also not comment on the colonial exploitation of the African continent.
But, and here is a but. Africa south of Sahara and Ethiopia lived in true stone age. Anyone who tries to tell me that Africans in area as I pointed out were successful farmers, is full of doodoo. It was the white people who started farming and other areas of development. First it was the communists and now the Neo-lefts who mess with these people’s heads trying to tell them that they must get rid off white farmers, just because they are White, and not because they employ and feed the non-whites. Basically what we are seeing here is this: “whites are rich because they use Our land”. My question is: “I am sorry, but just because you lived on this land living of what you killed does not make you an owner of that land”. Whites bought that land.
I would trade all of this to go back to the good old days in a heartbeat.
Camping and outdoor life is huge in SA. People cannot wait to leave the cities to spend a few nights in the wild, sleeping under the starry African night sky. All of us, black, white, Muslim, Hindu – we prefer walking barefoot every chance we get.
To live free in a moneyless system with no work week, boss, bankers, lawyers, economists, police and other assholes that can’t solve any of the world’s problems.
The Khoisan was at some point in history the largest ethnic group on the planet. They survived for hundreds if thousands of years living in sync and in total peace with nature. They did not need a bible as a because they lived as nature intended. Quality family time was all the time. Food, water and medicine used to be free.
This place was pristine only 300 short years ago. Now there is pollution so bad that scientists cannot identify the poisons in the air above South Africa. The cities, factories, suburbs and slums are a permanent ugly blemish on the land.
Humans have survived in this region for hundreds of thousands of years without white farmers and their magical farming sorcery. Furthermore, the food has never been free. We buy what they grow. That is how they got rich. Supply and demand, mate.
These cities, highways, suburbs and industrial areas was built by white and black men. The land is farmed by white and blacks. The Malays, Indians, British, Irish, Scottish, Chinese, Jews, Muslims, Hindus – all contributed to this land we call South Africa.
But take it all back. I would trade hunting, gathering and bartering over this disaster called modern day civilization any day.
But take it all back. I would trade hunting, gathering and bartering over this disaster called modern day civilization any day.
-Sure, until you got a bad tooth or your daughter got a stomach disease and was dying an agonizing death of shitting out her intensities. Then suddenly modern civilization would not seem to bad.
Go find an old photograph of black people smiling and you will see nothing but pure white teeth.
This article has resonated with me. State expropriation of land is a terrible thing.
In my country, it happened to several generations: first due to Tito’s communism, where peasants were robbed by the state, and more recently in the 90s, due to Nazism, by being the “wrong” ethnicity, and somehow “deserving” to be ethnically cleansed due to past, or even imaginary crimes, committed by other members of your ethnic group.
This is a well-researched and eloquently-written article. Reading between the lines, there is a lot sorrow here. And worry about the situation in South Africa. Anon, whatever happens to your family, to your people, even if the worst scenario comes to pass, you will always carry them and their stories in your heart forever. No-one can take that away from you!
I doubt very much, (just quickly glancing at the comments so far proves me right) that you will get a lot sympathy from some readers here, as unfortunately many have swallowed the official narrative of “good” Nelson Mandela and ANC, versus the “racist, nazi” white South Africans. The situation is in fact much more ambiguous as you point out.
Maybe some of these commenters can explain how a marxist/ communist like Mandela became so friendly with De Beers, a capitalist company run by a Zionist? How is it possible that Mandela was such a frequent guest of Harry Oppenheimer, regularly praised him, and accompanied him on foreign visits? How did Israel become a major centre for diamond processing of South African diamonds?https://newrepublic.com/article/65032/mandela-diamond-shill.
Thanks for the words of understanding Serbian girl. I very seldom write about South Africa because most of the world either wants to think about it in the US context with the original nations there, or in some other context that does not fit. In this writing and in the previous writing that looked more to the history, I tried to explain some of the differences to other places in the world and also the similarities. Yes, the sadness is for sure there. What makes it bitter sad, is that most of the Whites set out to work in a new format. So, in reality all their work of the last 24 years, benefiting the new government and after apartheid, also is open for stealing now.
I see no mention here of the original crimes against Black people in the Republic of South Africa (RSA).
I see the perfect care and concern and positive attitude for the white people who will lose land now. that is proper but it is also bloody racist, because in all the crime against Black people no such concern was extended, if it even existed.
and if it did exist it was a minute to vanishingly small to passing concern, that did not and would never change white policies of dispossession of the Black indigenous people of Africa. it happened horrifically all over the African continent, great loss of life and suffering. systems of apartheid were establish al over and for centuries Europe disrupted the life of African at huge human costs. it is still going on for christ sakes
you people are so self-centred, so ridiculously insane you created all kinds of problems in the world for people other than yourselves….no I am wrong. you even created massive problems for yourselves by the constant wars among yourselves…killing by official estimate 100 million Euro during the the white European civil wars of 1914 and 1939
and during that period there was the Khazar depredation on Russia in their revolution that resulted in millions dead.
i imagine that Europeans, as human, there leading groups would at the very least work with emerging african nations to create the basis of success for them and for global prosperity, instead they go together to create bretton woods, GATT, the World Bank, the IMF, the UN, NATO..a giant global framework of exploitation , developed sophisticate financial means to enslave the world while developing the american nation as battleship to enforce world financial slavery, to beat into submission all who fought them trying to get a good deal for their people
america/europe then as now had and have no intention at all to make the global situation better, to end all the human division and make the world safe for human occupation. all the white people ever did, ever does is make global life and conditions worse. there are families like the Rothschilds whose money if we count the notes and line them up one to one his wealth would stretch into infinity.
how does that help the human species?
it does not at all. we are again at the point of global war..this time it will end the human species. and who brought us here….? yes the very same people who have been fighting on planet earth for almost 2 thousand years now straight, consistent, without pause, cease and let. they talk peace but fight all the time
who are these people? thats right white people..from up in the north who swept out and down into Germany and from there into France, Spain, North Italy. they are the Rus’ and the eastern Europeans. they are the very same people, ethnic group… but all they know is plunder, exploitation, rape and pillage
luckily the Rus..Russians… after their Bolshevik experience seemingly have come out saner and more peaceful than before and appear to be working for peace and a multi-polar world. that being as strong as it is so far has avoided war.
but we have the most rabid part of the Germanic peoples now organized as the Anglo/Zionist empire, invested and dominated by those called Jews …but who are not Jews at all but of the same Germanic tribe who are the great majority of white people.
that is the bloody problem on planet earth among the human species..the totally intractable white Germanic parts of the human population..utterly violent, murderous and greedy, greedy, greedy..endlessly greedy, accumulative yet we all die and leave the dam accumulations for others to grab. this same group talk about god all the time but believe in no god in fact..their religions empty vessels, sham, full of human corruption of all kinds especially sexual.
and here we have more whites spewing lies as usual.
Cyril Ramaphosa is a Black man in whom I have no faith as leader. but if he takes back the land for Black people in RSA he has a case no one can gainsay. thats it! the land was stolen it is now taken back. there is no confiscation of wealth derived from the land when it was in white possession. that is very good…for whites.. and appears to be reasonably fair. and that is a fairness that was never a factor in white behavior in dealing with black people ever
You have no evidence to say the land was stolen and you have not looked at the many documents documenting land buying from tribes. It is not all a he said/she said thing.
Please take a look at what other South Africans say.
Your Writer, are you the author of this article?
Whatever, I have heard this argument of buying land in a colonial situation before.
God gave each nation land, why must other people think they can dispossess others because they are stronger militarily? Don’t Europeans have their lands in Europe, why must black Africans not own their lands, why must they succumb to the insatiable desire of other nations to own the entire world? Did millions of Russians not die fighting the Nazi invasion force, would they accept another invasion of conquest? Why then should black Africans accept continued subjugation by some European nations?
Ramaphosa is a very rich man. what is he up to? I never expected this kind of policy from him. I imagined that he was/is wrapped up with white power in and interest in RSA
but if he ‘takes back the land’ . so what? no compensation? the sense in my quarters is that the whites who occupy the land now have had generations of real profit from that land, and none are poor out of hand and pocket, are in fact wealthy enough to start life again in RSA or elsewhere
Russia has extended a hand to them. there are vast wild stretches of the Russian far east in need of population and investment. I think that is a perfect opportunity they can take advantage of, popped up just at the right time. Russia is focused on the development of that region. China is pouring money into the region and population too
I imagine that in 10 years or so those RSA whites with their current wealth to invest will be powerful in that region, on lad they would have been given or bought, so their life in Russia will not start of with a vast crime but a straight up honest investment by them and the Russian government
the people of RSA must have their land back. those who committed vast crime , and their descendants who profit from that wealth and exist in great material security as a result must be held to account. and holding them to account means taking back the land. I mean if they want to hold on to the land then they tie themselves to the crimes of their ancestors and can be tried for those crimes and likely found guilty.
the land must be taken back and given to the people of RSA who will decide what to do with it. its their land. and the whites if they chose to, no doubt can stay in RSA if they want to and build alternative lives. or they can leave and go where they please..with the Russian far east being an attractive alternative
The pseudo leftist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) led by their ‘talk left walk right’ troll Julius Malema, addressed the Cape Chamber of Commerce on the land issue a few years ago. https://youtu.be/tn5jKDluc-4
This started the ball rolling on the land issue. The ANC is a broad church playing a central-left political position. It is flanked by the center right colonial party the Democratic Alliance and the pseudo leftist EFF on the far left.
If Ramaphosa does not tackle the land issue now he will be faced with the same problem Mugabe had in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe took its independence in 1980. While the Iranian Islamic Revolution was dismantling all mechanisms of indirect western rule, Mugabe was being super by British liberals and drinking tea with the queen. After more than a decade of empty promises if land reform, the landless black Zimbabweans rose up and took the land. Bob Mugabe, fearful that he will loose his wealth, did a 180 on his British masters and tool the side of his people.
This is what Ramaphosa wants to avoid.
The EFF is a paper tiger made up of wannabe Marxists. Their position is to appeal to the landless black masses by saying the things the masses want to hear. Without the EFF, (who are very well funded by the way), the black left will fall into the hands if the militant Pan Africanist extreme left crazies at the PAC i.e. the real deal communists. These guys refuse to even speak or be spoken to in a colonial language.
South Africa has no far right political or media voice for obvious reasons. That is why it is being outsourced to the global far right. This author is part of that movement to seed falsehood about the situation in SA. The plan is to appeal to the global white right with the hope that if push comes to shove, Europe and America will support the neocolonial agenda in Africa. If push really comes to shove they hope Europe and America would sacrifice her sons and daughters for war.
As it stands there is no military solution to the South African land issue. The militant crazies lurking in the extreme left and extreme right are hungry for bloodshed and chaos, while the big three (ANC, DA, EFF) are trying to keep the nation politically centered.
Mark, you and some others. finally got to the bone of the matter. It is all propaganda and the author took opportunity of the fact that the main stream of readers in this site does not really know South African history. Thanks God, by the end of the day, some people, including White South-Africans, are exposing the sham of using and abusing the reputation of the site. Cat Pillar’s last remarks are a good example of this late trend to expose how biased is the author. How many White farmers murdered, he asked, compared to how many farmers murdered, and that, compared to how many people (Black, White,men, women, children, in farms or otherwise) murdered in South Africa? Facing the general state of violence and the persisting inequal distribution of Southafrican wealth a quarter century after plain Apartheid ended, the so called genocide of the White man is just a fake news fabrication.
Why that propaganda item worked more than a day is a totally other issue.
There might be a little more to the threat than just fake news fabricaiton – have you seen this?
That’s the same Malema who managed to owe SARS a nice R16m for one tax year and on a lowly state salary. …..Pity the taxman doesn’t disclose where the money came from.
“fake news fabrication” indeed, my friend, I still stand. For the contrary, I need something more than quotation from someone catering to the lowest tendencies of his constituency, while pocketing substantially from the corporatocracy. What indication you have showing that BLACK people are increasingly killing WHITE owners of farms. What indication you have that white farmers are faring so well that there is only murder to get rid of them. In many other countries with an agriculture controlled by Whites (france or US for example), so many owners are just leaving the trade less and less sustainable in the form of individual properties. So, how many farms for sale per each of the last years? For what reason ? Is production of flowers, or winery, absent from these reasons to sale.
I remember very well how in the last decxade of Apartheid the government was offering important deals to Europens willing to immigrate and to work in the fields. According the information I had at this time, very few White were interested in playing the correct-the-demographic-imbalance game, except, precisely, East Europeans. That is a small element but an element to factor in I’ sure, if we have to understand how the fight is really a class fight in the first place; a series of clashes between corporate and family farms; Black and White workers, White and wannabe Black owners of farms, etc.
When it comes to the number of White farmers deaths, the million figure has been already reached, a proof that the stake also consists in obscuring the facts. Facts amongst which the forces controlling agriculture are, like in mining or others modern industries, laaaaaargely white.
Now, you can elaborate a more sophisticated article to say without saying it that “Black is Black” and will always remains such. But for the moment, this article has failed. Cat Pillar, stop defend the indefensible. Let the author fend alone with his links to new videos.
Statement. I may have come across as a racist, but I need to explain I came across as such because I can’t stand BS.
Many people all over the world being Asiatic, European, Middle Eastern, etc have suffered enslavement, murder and land theft throughout their existence and none of them make the noise that the south Africans make, as if they were the only ones singled out because of the color. Other people are of color as well. Take India for example. Enslavement and theft is part of human history, just get on with your lives.
My friend, you have a problem: by just uttering one excuse more, you plunge deeper in the shit.
Let us “take India for example”, as you say. Tell me now where in India, you still have White people claiming their rights to Indian land. Where in China? In Vietnam? and so on?
You right, nowhere, because there is no English, Hollandese or French left.
In South Africa to the contrary, exactly like in America where you have Americans (and no more Sioux or Pawnees, except in reservations) you have Afrikander pretending a long time that that land was given to them by God, just like that, as White and so, chosen people. One of their biggest leader at the time was Eugene TerreBlanche, from a Huguenot family dropping its original family name for a new one meaning literaly “WhiteLand”. That is the kind of things still deep in the South African White man psyche that you are taking for granted details, my friend.
You are so wrong. Where did Eugene Terreblance or Terblance change his name? That is a common Hugenot name in South Africa. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?lastname=terblanche
And where was he a ‘biggest leader’? Nowhere among ordinary people. But you make a telling mistake. Anyone that spells Afrikaner as AfrikanDer .. well, we know what your politics are and we know where you are from. India? Local people grew crops that the English bought. There were no settlers. Same as in China or in Vietnam. There were no settlers. The difference is in South Africa there were settlers. There were just people who worked the land and built a country.
Since my years as a SouthAfrican flowers-wine and Outspan oranges boycott activist, in the 1980’s, I know exactly how the name Terre-Blanche was formed. From these years when I also learnt a couple things about the Revocation of Nantes Edict, and the history of Huguenots amongst others I inherited the question of How the Victims can become the Torturers. Try this link and measure by yourself the incapacity of Terre-Blanche to conceive Steve Biko as the child of the same country as his. The scene at Stellenbosch University is more telling in the video (now removed from youtube) but you still can enjoy the dialogue. And tell me where my politics are from? I am curious.
Now, I never said that there was settlers in China, or India. Anonius (or you) did put them together in order to show how they were forgetful. What I did is precisely to relate with something else, with the USA where settlers were also genocidal. To link twonships with ghetto, banthoustans with reservation. In South Africa, like very close SWA (where Mengele worked and where Goering was raised up) Concentrations camps and modern genocides where invented. To say that Verwoerd was a fascist and Terre Blanche party a Nazi one is just to state the obvious.The way the article accuse the Black SouthAfricans of the crime of preparing fascism and genocide resembles what Atzmon call a ptsd: the man projecting on others what he is going to do or have already done.
I suspect racism, but I also recognize that you really possess the art to call in debates. That is something rare, my friend.
I suggest that you clear your racist head and start looking at things the way they were, are and will be forever. What I said is not an excuse for anyone, just facts. There are many countries that exist today only because they trampled on and enslaved others, Turkey is an excellent example, so are the American continent (South and North), Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Australia, Sahara belt in North Africa and the list goes on and on. I did not mention Vietnam because it was brought up earlier. Take your pick. If one listens to you guys, one would have been made to think that you are the only ones singled out.
Do you read or do you only do activist point pushing?. Terreblance to my mind was an aberration which I’ve said, contrasting the one aberration to the aberration of someone like Julius Malema. Yet, you still want to ride his old horse. Its done. The man is dead as is his old horse. Julius Malema is not dead.
Then I suggest for you to go and recheck those old 1980’s activism slogans cooked up from outside of the country. You may be very surprised with what you come up with, given an open mind and a re-examination.
As a refresher, here is what I wrote.
The ex-EFF member and co-founder of the party says he’s always warned that Julius Malema’s hatred of white people is “potentially genocidal”.
“This is part of why I left the EFF. Malema used to make it clear how much he hates white people. He used to say the plan was to use white people and their resources to build the EFF until it could take power. Then when we are in power, we take everything from them.” (Now, compare this with Eugene Terreblance, who was an aberration from a previous age prancing around on his horse, but not a genocidal aberration).
Not even the Rohingya? …. Or the Palestinians?
this is an interesting topic that is obviously close to your heart. Please take this well meant criticism of your article.
1) The article is very large and hard to read as it touches many aspects of a very entangled and complex history, going from the British colonial rule and applied policies, intertribal relations past and current, the Boer wars, apartheid instatement, independence, the time of Mandela etc. Since a significant body of work has been presented, could you please reconsider publishing the same in a series of shorter better rounded articles about the same topic.
2) Somehow in our current culture of writing history, most of us omit past and future economic reasoning of government enacted policies. Could you please explain, short of holding on to power, what the colonial economic logic of South Africa was all the way until independence. For example in the late 19th and early 20th century the East India company used India to manufacture poppyseed for opium consumption in China imported by the Forbes family. They also grew cotton that was exported as raw material to England for the Manchester cotton mills. What was so interesting in South Afrika…?
3) A map or two of the said farmland and population distribution by race would be helpful as well.
4) As a Serb I have seen the Vatican manipulate data on WW2 genocide victims down to 10,000, whereas the current estimate for only on of many concentration camps Jasenovac is 90,000 (not counting countless other locations and on-site random killings). Some believe the number goes as high as 700,000…this disparity is due to inadequate and purposeful sabotage of investigation efforts in the post WW2 period…My point being, I like to see all the numbers by all the sources, regardless how ridiculous they are.
5) And finally, I have never written such a large article and have respect for anyone who can cover such vast and complex topics. Thank you for your effort.
Louis, it is a complex topic. The economic logic of the Cape of Good Hope and the Dutch Settlement and the eventual English take-over (the colony changed hands a few times) was simply as a rest stop for shipping to the East and from the East. Remember that the Suez Canal as a shortcut sea route from West to the East did not exist in those times, so, the Cape of Good Hope was incredibly important as a place where ships could replenish their foods, ship repairs could be made and sailors could take a break in this long voyage.
The colonization came simply because there were not many people or even indigenous peoples and at least the Dutch (Dutch East India Company) encouraged settlers so that vegetables could be grown, animals could be husbanded and the ships food stocks could be replenished.
The French came to the Cape of Good Hope area to seek religious freedom. The French Hugenots were Calvinists and were persecuted for their religious beliefs. My family is a mix of French and Dutch.
All the folks that talk about ‘the myth of empty land’ are confused with other lands. The reason why the colony could not grow say cotton for the English like in India, was because there was nobody that the English could use to grow – These lands had nowhere close to the population of say India. There were very few people. This wikipedia is more or less correct historically as to colonial times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Colony
Even slaves were imported to the new Cape Colony from the East for manpower, as there were very few indegenous inhabitants. These slaves were known as the Cape Malays. I still make some Malay food dishes to today. There was a time when there was not so much hatred.
I just found out like 10 more historic facts I was completely unaware of, thanks for opening that can of worms for me :) I would still suggest going through each period separately as the history is simply overwhelming but very intreaging.
“There was a time when there was not so much hatred.” could be the moto of my region…
I am a Black South African and I frequent this site often. I was shocked to see this kind of article posted at this site. I am also amazed at the amount of support and coverage in MSM that these racists and liars are getting and have been asking myself where the funding comes from.
The truth is South Africa has the widest gap between rich and poor than any other country in the world. This economic division also follows racial lines. In SA whites still live like kings and queens and Africans are their servants. Cape Town, a city in SA, is the racist capital of the world.The negotiations led by Mr Mandela focused on breaking the racist chains and never dealt with economic imbalances.
Any attempt to try and correct these gross economic imbalances is met with loud resistance. Why were these people so quiet when we were being stripped of all dignity and humanity in our own land ? We are forever grateful to Russia, Cuba and some of our African neighbor countries who stood by us during those dark times in our history.
The situation of Black landlessness and economic imbalances in South Africa is not sustainable. It’s got to change. All God fearing and Peace loving people of the world should support these SA goverment initiatives.
Nonkosi, the BEE laws were instituted to redress what you call economic imbalances. As the black homelands were instituted on the basis of tribal affiliation, and it did not work and brought chaos in its wake, so the BEE laws and the subsequent broad based Black economic empowerment laws are instituted on the basis of color.
“After the transition from Apartheid in 1994, it was decided by the African National Congress government that direct intervention in the redistribution of assets and opportunities was needed to resolve the economic disparities created by Apartheid policies which had favoured white business owners. BEE intended to transform the economy to be representative of the demographics, specifically race demographics of the country. BEE was defined in the 2001 Commission Report as follows,
“It is an integrated and coherent socio-economic process. It is located within the context of the country’s national transformation programme, namely the RDP. It is aimed at redressing the imbalances of the past by seeking to substantially and equitably transfer and confer the ownership, management and control of South Africa’s financial and economic resources to the majority of its citizens. It seeks to ensure broader and meaningful participation in the economy by black people to achieve sustainable development and prosperity.”
— BEE Commission Report, pg. 2
Successful implementers of BEE also see it as a means to create economic growth in South Africa, and as vital to advance their corporate strategy.
The BEE programme was implemented starting from 2003. It was criticised for benefiting only a narrow stratum of previously disadvantaged groups, and this led in 2007 to the introduction of a modified programme called Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment or B-BBEE. ”
And then there were two land programmes that both failed. In one of these land claims were looked at, and the people who brought the claims in the main did not want the land, but wanted to be paid out.
And then there was unbelievable corruption, Zuma style. In this article I propose that the level of corruption is continuing under the guise of the land grab.
The ANC has now been running South Africa for around 24+ years. And still the economic imbalances are made the fault of the Whites. This is racism, pure and simple.
And then, where are the people that supported Black enfranchisement? I can give you a list of those that are now under threat or outright murdered by the ANC regime. We were there.
Don’t be surprised to see this article. You will see more and more of this, because the ANC line that it is all the White’s fault is now falling flat. You must be honest and acknowledge that the current regime is corrupt and they hide their own corruption under blaming the Whites. You may do yourself a favor and go and see how much land the current government owns. Let them start giving it to landless people. You know as well as I do, that the sheer level of corruption and complete inability to administer their task in the municipalities is most of the problem of land not getting into people’s hands. Let me tell you a story. I went around some black areas not many years ago, offering to make them gardens for food production and to teach community gardening for community food security. The answer that I received in all cases was No, we cannot make gardens because whatever we plant will be stolen. Real story – I’m not making it up – and that is besides all the horrible abuse that the black community heaped on me – that was part and parcel of such an initiative.
The level of corruption and crime and level of theft has much more to do with economic empowerment than making it the fault of the whites. The level of incredibly violent crime against the Whites is the same than that of a war torn area in sheer numbers. Economic empowerment? How does one work with that? Any businessman or woman will tell you that one trades out of that. As the trade grows, the opportunity grows. While Ramaphosa messes with the 10% income from Tourism while tourism is declining because of the level of crime in the country. Now he wants to give good food producing land to beginner black farmers with no agriculture training. Do you know that only a little over 2% of students at Potchefstroom (the traditional agriculture university) are now studying agriculture? South Africa was built on agriculture. It was a net food exporter and now is a net food importer. I walk in a supermarket and see vegetables and frood from as far away as Chili and Peru, and of course the Israeli produce, where the origin is nicely disguised on the labeling.
One starts economic empowerment in the communities, then you expect a government that supports these activities, and as you bring people out of poverty via food security, education, then the country may again flourish. But, this message is not wanted in South Africa currently. It is much easier to blame the whites in a type of reverse racism.
You’re being divided and conquered. The problem is not so black and white (sorry about the poor pun); it is always about banksters vs the rest of us. Currently, the ANC is serving the banksters. The moral of this lesson is that blacks are as dumb as whites when it comes to being used.
You mean Soviet Union? Although, Russia was a core of the Soviet Union, the animal was totally different as it was ruled by a group of tribesmen. The same ones, who are messing things up in all of African of Continent. The ones conveniently called Neo-Cons, Globalists, New World Order, etc, etc.
While all whites certainly did “live like kings” under Apartheid, all whites no longer do. Now we see something we never saw under Apartheid: really poor whites, homeless whites, whites living under bridges and squatting in shanties — please bear with me for a minute, I know blacks do too.
I want to ask you a question:
To correct those imbalances should we impoverish whites until all whites are as poor as the poorest black….. or should we lift up ALL citizens until all our citizens are as well off as all whites were under Apartheid?
You see – I’m inclined to the latter view.
And yet, since the end of Apartheid, the common man in this country, both black and white, has got poorer and many much poorer. Only an exceptional few have got remarkably rich and a great many of them are not white. The South African taxpayer – that’s you and me – paid out R250m for Mr Zuma’s private house. You and me – we don’t get our houses paid by the state! Read taxpayer! Why does he? He’s not president any more.
We should not be a poor country: we are the world’s largest producer of chrome, manganese, platinum, vanadium and vermiculite; 5th largest of uranium, 4th of gold and diamonds, 3rd of palladium. No SA exports and the world would have a real problem making its cars and weapons! And that’s just the minerals. We should not be a poor country! Please don’t tell me “the whites” are pocketing all that money. Because I damn sure am not getting a share of it!
Why do Eskom directors – Eskom who can barely keep the power on on a good day – keep yachts in the Mediterranean when we STILL have un-electrified townships? http://www.eskom.co.za/OurCompany/Leadership/Pages/Board_Of_Directors.aspx
Why is the state still sitting on 4000 farms they were supposed to redistribute to black farmers? What are they doing with it? …. growing morog? They don’t talk about that land, do they – when they talk about “sharing” and “redistribution,” “righting historical wrongs” and “expropriating land without compensation because it was stolen.” https://www.fin24.com/Companies/Agribusiness/govt-sits-on-4-000-farms-yet-hints-at-expropriation-20170522
Well. Mr Steenkamp BOUGHT his game farm after the ANC came to power. Was the ANC then complicit in that theft? They introduced no laws to prevent whites buying land. Just BTW., there’s a lot of coal under that land and ….. “The organisations pointed out that Chinese government controlled companies were planning development to the value of $10 billion in the Musina Makhado special economic zone (SEZ), in which Akkerland falls. Exploration by the controversial Coal of Africa on Akkerland indicates that the farm’s coal is suitable for use in power stations and steel factories.”
Read more about this cutiepie here: https://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/akkerland-boerdery-expropriation-for-minerals-and-chinese-expansion-in-sa/ ….. Things are not what they appear to be. They never are when we are being fed platitudes like “sharing” and “redistribution” and “righting historical wrongs.” There’s always big money involved. Big money, but only for the right people, the people with the power. (And that’s not the little white guy walking down the other side of the street from you.)
And anyway – when did we become a nation that punishes the children for the sins of father and grandfather? Are you responsible for crimes your grandfather and/ great grandfather committed? Then why the white guy? Racism is a sticky slide.
White farmers do not own 70% of the land in South Africa because only 33% of SA land is owned by private individuals. …. Maybe white farmers own 70% of the 12% that is arable? https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/sas-land-audit-makes-case-for-land-tax-20180204-2
Then tell me too please – when all our (white) farmers have relocated to Russia (nice for Russia) – what will we eat? Subsistence farmers are lucky if they can feed themselves so – you and me – what will we eat? (We can’t eat coal.)
We are being lied to. Don’t feel bad – all govts lie to their people. It’s in their nature. We are being lied to by people in power who want sell or lease the land to foreign investors. Dunno ’bout you – but I kinda prefer a game farm to a land raped for coal.
A South African.
Oh yeah – and see that Akkerland story?
Now we know why the IMF supports Mr Ramaphosa’s expropriation of land without compensation. And very kindly announced their righteous support in all the right media.
Good work and I am happy to be confirmed in my idea that South-Africans are Black, White, Green and between, but SouthAfricans first.
NKosi, I thank you.
Serbian girl hits the spot (on September 27, 2018 · at 10:45 am). “How is it that Mandela was so friendly with Oppenheimer?”. Also Flopot (at 11:31 am) who says, “Actually many of the main founders of the ANC were Jewish and many continue in positions of power today.”
The deal was, that the Anglo Zio Capitalists (De Beers, Anglo American, Barclays Bank) would do a U-turn and use their MSM to oppose Apartheid, and in return the ANC would take down the Afrikaner Nationalist government (who were becoming a serious financial and industrial threat to the Anglo Zios who owned South Africa). In return, the ANC would do a U-turn and abandon Socialism. The result is what we see today: a South Africa just like Britain and the USA: a nation that is being hollowed out by an an Anglo Zio Capitalist kleptocracy.
That is why the ANC is attacking the lone Afrikaaner farmer, who own their land and provide food and wine, but not attacking Barclays Bank, nor Anglo American nor any of the big global AZC conglomerates which still own South Africa — just as they did under Apartheid. Socialism is the only way that _all the peoples of South Africa_ will get their country back.
And where is the Church in all this? I remember the ANC of Luthuli with its strong backbone of Christian Socialism; that has vanished from the political horizon of South Africa. (In Britain, under Blair and Brown, Christian Socialism did worse than vanish: it became a branch of the Rothschild kleptocracy and espoused mass murder with armed robbery in Iraq). I see the only way back to the right path for South Africa as being a return to Christian Socialism; either by a reform of the ANC itself or by the formation of a Christian Socialist party.
Socialism is a very difficult thing to achieve, and there is a lot of Soros-funded Fake Left ready to infiltrate. I dare suggest that Christian Socialists in South Africa ought to study carefully and respectfully the successful example of Islamic Socialism in Iran, as expounded by Ramin Mazaheri in these pages. Iran has avoided the worst mistake of the Russian Revolution — it has not divorced its Revolution from its Religion. In the name of _all the peoples of South Africa_ Christian Socialism must take the Banks and the Natural resources of the land, take them out of the hands of global Anglo Zio Capitalist giant soulless conglomerates, and put them back into the hands of the people of that land.
The ANC also abandoned their comprehensive economic plans on coming to power. I think the story is outlined the “Shock Doctrine” book. The ANC conducted an exhaustive survey of the economic needs of their supporters, then promptly dumped it for neoliberalism on gaining power, i.e. they served the banksters.
The Apartheid in SA was only transparent, opozit to South American, even USA societies, where all the people are the same, but some of them are more the same. The color of a skin on a birth means in these countries everything: social status, ability to learn, to work.
The reign of whites in SA is destroyed because some other whites need the goods of South Africa, but they cannot get it legally (or it is expensive for them). So they organize The Controlled Chaos, in which they will hunt what they like.
John Pilger made a documentary film after the abolition of apartheit. Its title is telling: Apartheit didn’t die.
The ANC was a communist tool in Jewish hands. The same for Mandela: a leftist liberal in favour of homosexual marriage, the same line as George Soros. When he became president, the whole economy, including central bank, diamant and gold mines remained in Jewish hands: nothing was nationalized, nothing really changed. The Black Community is now slowly catching up with the reality, so the people who really run the government have to come up with something new to keep fooling the people and pacify them into new illusions. Ramaphosa will obediently serve, not his people but his Jewish masters.
You left out:-
“I love my country.”
I cannot conceive of waking up every day and never again looking out over the South African landscape – I might as well be dead.
One interesting thing that I have been following is the language situation in South Africa .
It is telling that , in order to downgrade the status of Afrikaans, all other languages were made official, and why not? The problem is that , in actual fact, only English is being used /pushed as the real language of South Africa.
The University of Stellenbosch, formerly an Afrikaans-speaking university, was forced to begin using English as well. Why? Because by using Afrikaans exclusively , those who are not Afrikaners or Coloureds are discriminated against. I never thought of a language as a race-based matter but it is in South Africa . The non-Afrikaans-speaking students demand a right to be educated in English but aren’t there other universities in South Africa where English is the exclusive language of instruction ? If numbers are a problem, why not start new universities to fill the demand for English-speaking instruction ?
The other takeaway from the university language issue is the attitude of the ANC and many Blacks themselves. Why don’t they develop their own languages as well? I have seen on YouTube many of the students demanding English-language instruction but their own English is horrendous . Their pronunciation is terrible, their grammar deeply flawed , and their vocabulary is very limited. Wanting instruction in English is merely a political statement in such cases. Why not have universities where Xhosa or Zulu are used exclusively? However, to get to that point, you need to work on those languages in the same way that the Afrikaners worked on Afrikaans in the early 20th century. Zulu , for example, needs an iron-clad standard. It needs terminology in every field ranging from agriculture to nuclear physics. It needs to have translations from the body of world literature classics, key works in science and technology . Are textbooks available in Zulu on string theory ? Sports medicine? Business management? Clinical psychology ? Could a Zulu read Plato or Don Quixote or Avicenna or Sun Tzu or the Upanishads in isiZulu? Why not?
Nope . The idea is to impose English as the language of the elite over the masses who hardly speak it very well as it will ensure power over them. Just look at Haiti . Everyone speaks Creole but only 10% speak passable French and yet all government business is gone in French. French and Creole are not mutually intelligible either.
The weirdest case is Namibia . Although Afrikaans was, and is, the real lingua franca, English, spoken by 1-2 % as a native language, was chosen as the sole official language. Even after decades of independence, that percentage has hardly gone up and Afrikaans still remains the real lingua franca. Why didn’t they promote the Ovambo language? Nope. Just English as it is “international “ even though it isn’t even really national in Namibia itself .
Thus, it seems that the elites in South Africa and Namibia are happy at maintaining power while keeping the new status quo at the cost of real development and progress in society. Language provides a quick and penetrating link into the real situation there.
Hmm… and what about …. Sepedi, Sesotho, Setswana, siSwati, Tshivenda, Xitsonga and isiNdebele? Shall we have universities all over the place for each of those as well? Why not? Why should only Xhosa and/ Zulu get preferential university language treatment? Hey – our state allies are Russia and China – shall we throw in Russian and Mandarin as well? Perhaps Cantonese too? We could use more universities so that ought to do the trick – it’s not like we don’t have enough taxpayer bucks just floating around waiting for some repetitive multilingual tertiary education.
And let’s not leave out all our minorities while we’re building exclusive language universities. There’s Greek, Gujarati, Hindi, Portuguese, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu, Yiddish, Italian, Dutch, French and German. Polish too. We’ll have a veritable dog’s breakfast of universities all babbling away in their own language only!
English might be the “language of our historical oppressors” but it is also the only truly international language we have. So, for anyone who ever hopes to look beyond the borders of our own country – it might just be a good idea to learn to make oneself understood in it. The degree of understanding required depending on what it is one intends doing…. running a multinational corporation, giving lectures on the SA Apartheid Experience, explaining the vagaries of Quantum Mechanics or representing South Africa at a UN Q+A – not much good if you can only or best make yourself understood in Zulu.
Afrikaans might also be the “language of our historical oppressors” but it is also the one language that just about everyone can make himself understood in in this country. If you can’t speak the first language of the guy you’re speaking to and he can’t speak yours – pretty much Afrikaans will do the trick. But don’t look for that to work beyond our borders, not even in The Netherlands,
Zulu and Xhosa, like the other 7, are regional. Xhosa’s not much good in KwaZulu Natal, nor Venda in Cape Town.
Now. Remembering we don’t have and never have had free tertiary education here, you’re going to fork out your hard-earned bucks to send you best beloved child to university to learn what he or she needs for the rest of his or her life …. which one of all the possibilities are you going to pick?
And that’s why we don’t have universities where Zulu and/ Xhosa are used exclusively.
Your idea of using all kinds of foreign languages as the language of instruction at South African Universities university is, of course, ridiculous . You should travel in Europe and you would get the idea of what I mean. In small countries such as Belgium, there are separate universities for French and Dutch speakers. In Spain , many universities operate exclusively in Catalan and not in the larger language Spanish. No one complains about giving Basque a place in the university.
I personally think that it woud not be a bad thing to have a university in the language of the largest languages of South Africa, ie Zulu and Xhosa. The argument that nobody understands these languages outside South Africa is a weak one. Why do they have university courses in Estonian, Basque, Latvian, Maltese , Icelandic if nobody outside their areas speak those languages? The answer is that people learn better in their own language than in , eg, English. Of course Basques, Estonians, etc know that they have to know English to talk to the world but they also know that limiting their language to the home will ultimately doom it. Thus, your attitude is typical of the utilitarian ideology that dictates that only education in English is good. In this way, you are relegating Zulu , Xhosa, Sepedi, etc. to a diglossic state (look that up) in which, should it continue, will result in the death of that language. Perhaps you are all right with that. If, 100 or 200 years, Zulu and Xhosa are but distant memories, would you be ok with that? Maybe but it won’t mean that the material well being of South Africans will be better. At least Afrikaans speakers want to defend their language.
I agree with your premise. 100%. It would be phenomenal. Fantastic! to have at least one, exclusively, Zulu and/or one, exclusively, Xhosa university in South Africa. To showcase these languages and cultures to the world. They are amazing. A wonderful idea.
But you forgot something. Said it yourself. “You should travel in Europe ..”
Is there a bell going off in your head yet? EUROPE? You’re promulgating a FIRST world nice-to-have on a THIRD world country. And a third world country where the people, the ordinary, everyday millions of people, are getting poorer with each passing year Nevermind the why – just take the what.
So I say…. let’s gets power to the unelectrified townships. Let’s get the families living in shanties into decent homes. Let’s get ordinary everyday taken-for-granted-everywhere-in-your-first-world services like …. hot running water on tap in your house, garbage removal, decent sewage disposal to ALL our citizens (and not just those now living in what were previously white towns and cities.) Let’s get ALLour children in schools – make it unheard of for any child of ours not to attend school – like it was unheard of for a white child not to attend school during the Apartheid years. And all before we create exclusive universities.
And one day – when we are a first world nation – I’m sure we will. Have both. More. Perhaps even one for the San. We have a very curious and very interesting plethora of different languages, cultures and traditions to share with ourselves and the world.
At this moment in time, like it or don’t, English is “the international language.” It is likely to remain “the international language” for the foreseeable future. In 50 years time it might well be Mandarin. It doesn’t matter what “the international language” is, what matters is – if one wants to be understood across the world, outside own other-language borders – one needs to learn “the international language.”
Of all our languages I speak English best. That is the result of my upbringing and education. But if my upbringing and education had predisposed me to Xhosa – I’d still be speaking to you here – in English.
Ridding South Africa of inequality , clothing the poor, etc is only the right thing to do. The money wasted in the terrible corruption would be more than enough to provide a good educational system for all in South Africa.
What you should be doing is getting down to educating the children in their own language first . They would learn much better. Not just the primary years but even in high school, in addition to making sure that they are fluent in English. Of course, that would mean having to develop Xhosa, Zulu , etc. which goes against your ideology. Thus, instead, the children are taught in language they don’t understand well by people who don’t speak it very well. How’s that working out for people? No very well, is it? Why does education in South Africa suck for most? Language policy is one reason . At the very least, their mother tongue should be used as a bridge to English .
In Haiti, everyone knows Creole but the government and establishment function in French, even though 10% of the population speaks it very well (Creole is not a bad French, it’s a mutually intelligible language). However, but insisting on French, and “schooling” children in French, a language most don’t understand , school failure is guaranteed and domination of the people by the elite is achieved. In Namibia, English is used in schools where the students speak little English and are taught by teachers who don’t speak it. Logic would dictate instruction in Ovambo and Afrikaans would help educate them, not miseducate them in a language they know imperfectly , even a world language line English.
By insisting on English only or mostly, you are condemning most South Africans to ignorance since few have English as their native language but have it forced down their throats and yet they accept it on account of ideology . I pity them. It is not a question of Third World vs First World. In many Third World countries, children are educated in their native languages , eventually gaining fluency in the dominant , mostly colonial language .
I am writing you in English but I could write you in a few other languages. I have no idea how well you speak Xhosa but I think it is tragic if you are unable to use Xhosa in the same way we Basques use Basque. We have a small language but use Basque to teach all kinds of subjects from Kindergarten to university. South Africa is a rich enough country to do the same for at least the most important languages such as Zulu and Xhosa.
What you should be doing is getting down to educating the children in their own language first .
We have 11 official languages.
Pray tell me why there are 11 official languages in South Africa. Some cynics have said that it was a ploy to downgrade the status of Afrikaans. I hope they are wrong . By including the mostly Nguni languages, according to this theory, Afrikaans went from being one of the two official languages to being one of eleven. In such a situation , despite the lies that state that every South African language is “equal”, RSA has entered a situation in which English is the Primus inter pares , which, translated to reality, the other languages are reduced to secondary status, even token status. Only Afrikaans has resisted this onslaught. Afrikaans is not just spoken by Afrikaners but also by the Coloureds. However, the logic of the ANC is, English is and must be THE language of South Africa. While Afrikaans has been demonized as the language of apartheid , the languages of the majority are treated as cute relics of their past but definitely not something to be elevated to be functioning modern languages. The colonized mind works in mysterious ways. While lambasting White rule (rightfully so), many reject their ancestors’ tongues and cultures in favor of the main colonial language as the embodiment of real culture, knowledge and power , which is the case for English in the RSA. This explains why native African languages are fast disappearing in Francophone Africa, especially urban areas. In Angola , Portuguese is spoken by nearly 40% in the home now. Is that good? Is Kimbundo or Bakongo or Ovimbundo an obstacle to being modernity?
The failure to address the modernization of at least Xhosa and Zulu (why not Venda, Sepedi, etc. too) , languages with over 10 million speakers is criminal. In the meantime, English is being imposed on Stellenbosch University which, hitherto, had been an Afrikaans university. Thus, it seems like the one-size-fits-all solution is for everyone to study in English , even if their grasp of it is tenuous at best. This Namibian solution (English being spoken only by 2-3 % of homes but is the sole official language ) bodes ill for South Africa. And that is just the language situation but it does offer a glimpse into why the country is likely to get worse as the English -speaking elite offers no solutions to problems of education, hence to economic matters.
Look at South Korea. The country was a Japanese colony, and before that , a Chinese vasssl state . It was devastated by Japanese rule , even more devastated by the Korean War. In 1960, it had the same standard of living as many newly independent African states. They were not well educated as Japan was but they got down to work. And they did it in Korean, a language with a unique writing system and confined to that part of the world. And they did it without knowing English. If Europe is too much to imitate, start with countries like Korea. Could South Africa do that? Not at the current rate. Japanese rule was far harsher than apartheid . Far more Koreans died under Japanese rule than Black South Africans under White rule.Just look up “comfort women” for starts. The rainbow nation that was supposed to be South Africa had given way to a cloudy , overcast nation . A shame.
By insisting on English only or mostly,
“As well as” so DON’T put words in my mouth!
I don’t understand your comment . Please elaborate!
Yep. Pretty much downright embarrassing to listen to – BUT – don’t let Jules Malema fool you. That man speaks better English than the Queen of England and with a hotter potato in his mouth too.
I heard him defending himself at his hate speech trial and he wasn’t using his “grassroots, special pidgin” English there. Jus’ sayin’, sometimes the politics is running in the other direction and they’re letting their followers also listening know “I’m one of you guys!”
And even Zuma spoke damn good English – when he thought his fellow toyi-toyi’ers weren’t listening…. heard him on RT one day.
This is an update.
Anonymous on September 28, 2018 · at 6:18 pm EST/EDT updated on a few issues after this article was already posted.
The Katie Hopkins documentary on farm murders is now available. She calls it genocide. “Plaasmoorde: the Killing Fields”: My documentary about the genocide of white South Africans.
And in the last 2 days, we saw President Ramaphosa lying to the whole world in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations on 24 September. He said that there is no landgrab in South Africa and that there are no farm murders.
Afriforum immediately announced that they are going to take as many as possible of the victims of farm murders to the US to tell their stories and display their evidences directly to the media and all interested parties. Afriforum called President Ramaphosa’s statement a lie and slap in the face of those attacked and those murdered and quotes the numbers:
10,000 people attacked on farms in South Africa since the farm murder spree started, and
2,000 outright farm murders.
From January this year, 43 murders and 320 attacks on farmers.
And now – in the interests of full disclosure – please tell us the numbers of murders in South Africa. …. You can’t can you? You neither know nor care that there are on average 57 murders in South Africa a day, every day.
That’s 43 farm murders since January out of 15,618 murders in the country for the year to date. Farmland is approx. 12% of the country. That gives us 43 murders this year in 12% and 15,575 in 78% of the country so …. where would YOU prefer to live? In the town/ship – or on the farm?
Farms are isolated and that makes them targets. Farmers know that and guard against it – and they are therefore far better protected than the average Joe or Jane in the towns and townships. Yes, in the main they see to that protection themselves and yes, the police are a lot further away than in towns.
And WTF does that stupid attention-grubbing Limey know about South Africa? Has she even been here? Has she actually looked at the numbers – or just the numbers she wants to squeal her “Racism!” about?
Murder/Crime is a problem in this country.
Murder + crime on farms is – relatively speaking – a part of the big picture. It is by no means the biggest part.
Read them – learn something about a place before you spout off!
Cat, I am a South African. I quoted the figures given by AfriForum. The general crime is worse than many areas in war conditions. I am not a limey. Hoor jy my liefie! (Do you hear me sweet one!). I grew up on farms in the Vrystaat and Transvaal. Daar is nog beeskak tussen my tone (There still is cow dung between my toes!) I write to make the situation understandable for others, in terms that the broader community that visit The Saker blogs can understand and give them the basis of doing further research for those that want to. Our history is a little conplex, and that is why I try to unravel. I write with links and support that others can take a look at. Actually my most favorite little sister raged at me because I quote Afriforum, but you know, there has to be a place to start. So, eish … genoeg! (enough now!)
If you can do better, feel free to write, send it to The Saker and he will decide as he is the publisher here.
Please to meet you – I’m a South African too. Katie Hopkins, not you, unless you are she, is the stupid attention-grubbing Limey I was referring to. En dis nie nodig om vir my die beeskak tussen jou tone te vertaal nie – en jy kan jou patronising liefie steek waar die son nooit skyn! …. :-)
CRIME is the problem – not just one aspect of crime, not just murder, or just rape or just murders on farms. I’m sorry, please explain to me – why must this one aspect that covers 5 murders a month out of 50+ a DAY be the main focus of that crime? Yes there are murders on farms – but there are far more murders off the farms. To whom does (must?) the man murdered on the farm matter more than the hundreds upon hundreds more murdered in the townships? To own loved ones? To citizens? To the police? To the state?
Explain it to me! I take a lot of flack for my “bad attitude” to farm murders – “coming right” would be convenient to say the least. (Old friends might even talk to me again.) Why do some deaths-by-murder matter more than others? Why must farmers get special concern, attention and protection – over and above what the ordinary Thabo gets? Because our farmers feed us? Well they won’t be feeding us when they’ve gone to Russia! (THAT is the crime farmers should be focusing on! State lies, conniving and corruption.)
How many black people are murdered on farms? Less than white people? …. More than white people? People are being murdered on farms because murder is ‘what we do.’ More white farmers than black farmers are murdered because there are (a lot) more white farmers than black farmers. It’s not racist genocide – it’s murder.
Oh… Jules Malema says so? Well that sociopathic skunk has yet to explain where he got the millions from during those student riots to owe the taxman R16m and unless and until he comes up with a viable explanation I’m going with CIA Covert Ops Budget. Perhaps he caught that American disease from them – “It is so because I sayso!”
BTW. Have you noticed “farm murders” have hit the mainstream media – the important ones too? And the MSM is only interested in the internal affairs of silly little countries when they have a political agenda to push. I’m sorry – you don’t think “they” really care about the Rohingya do you? (Psst. They care deeply about the OBOR.) They’ve pretty much dealt with Brazil, they tried here with “student riots” (free tertiary education? what? here? on what planet?) That didn’t work ‘cos the students bummed out ‘cos the riots got too violent for their little lily livers so now they’re latched on to “Genocide White Farmers!” Can’t fail there – it’s LAND – what a gift!
Our white farmers are being used to instigate racial unrest in this country. The B is in uproar, the S is nicely on its way – and then there’s just that really irritating RIC left to deal with – and nothing does the trick like internal chaos! (Look at Syria! What a job well done!). …. But I’ll wish them all the best there (facetious.) Those aren’t petty little economies unused to or unable to deal with internal unrest.
IMO, “white farmers” are being played by the big boys.
And what’s wrong with AfriForum? Sure they’re biased (everyone is) but do they lie?