This article has been written for the Unz Review.
The talk of the week is the upcoming meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin on the sidelines of the G20 conference this Friday. There have been some very good articles already written on this topic, I particularly recommend Adam Garrie’s “5 obstacles Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin will have to address in their meeting” for The Duran and Israel Shamir’s “What Would Putin Tell Trump?” for The Unz Review. It is undeniable that the fact that these two men will finally meet is an event of immense significance and importance for the future not only of US-Russian relations, but even for the future or mankind.
Or is it?
I have to be honest here and say that my expectations are pretty close to zero. Oh sure, they will smile, probably a lot, and some minor issues, such as the seizure of the Russian diplomatic residence in the USA, will be resolved. Probably. There might even be some kind of positive sounding sounds about “reaffirming the Minsk Agreement” or “fighting ISIS in Syria”, but compared to long list of truly vital issues which need to be urgently discussed and resolved, this will, I am afraid, be as close to nothing as it can get. Why do I say that?
First, we should all stop kidding ourselves, Russia and the USA do not have “disagreements”. The sad and frightening reality is that we are now closer to war than during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Not only are Russian and US servicemen now deployed in the same war zone (the Americans totally illegally), but unlike what happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis we have a US President who terminally lacks the willpower to deal with the crazies on the US side, I am talking about the Neocons, of course. In fact, under Kennedy there were no real Neocons to tackle to begin with. Now they are running the White House while Trump serves them coffee or watches TV in another room (I am jocking of course, but just barely). In this context, to meet on the “sidelines” of a G20 conference is bordering on the criminally irresponsible. What the world would need is for Trump and Putin to meet in a “Camp David” like format for at least 3-5 days with all their key advisors and officials. Even if we assume a 100% of good will on both sides, meeting on the “sidelines” of an already big conference just won’t make it possible to get anything done. In the very best of cases Lavrov and Tillerson could have done most of the hard work away from the public eye, but the truth is that the Russians say that so far the two sides have not even agreed upon an agenda.
Second, it is absolutely clear that the US Ziomedia and Congress will declare any, any, positive outcome from the meeting as “Trump caved in to Putin” and try to get a pound of political flesh out of Trump for it. So for Trump any external success will mean an internal disaster. And we already know that the man does not have what it takes to deal with such attacks. Frankly, his only “tactic”, so to speak, to deal with the Neocons has been to try to appease them. So short of Trump asking for political asylum in Russia and joining Snowden somewhere in Russia, I don’t see him ever taking any independent action.
Third, if we look at the people around Trump it is pretty clear that the only intelligent and rational person in the White House is Rex Tillerson. The rest of them are lunatics, maniacs and imbeciles – the current US, what shall I call it, “actions” (can’t call it a “policy”) towards Syria clearly prove that the Executive Branch is completely out of control. We now can clearly see that Mattis and McMaster are not these military geniuses presented to us by the Ziomedia but that, in fact, they are both phenomenally incompetent and that their views of the conflicts in Syria and even Afghanistan can only be characterized as totally lacking anything remotely resembling any kind of vision. Yet these two “geniuses” seem to be in charge. For all his intelligence, Tillerson can’t even reign in this Nikki idiot at the United Nations. We should stop kidding ourselves and stop pretending like there is anybody to talk to for the Russians. At best, they are dealing with a Kindergarten. At worst, they are dealing with an evil Kindergarten. But either way, there is nobody to talk to on the US side, much less so somebody to begin solving the many issues which need solving.
I will admit that I did have high hopes for Trump and his apparent willingness to sit down and have an adult conversation with Russians. I was especially inspired by Trump’s repeated rejection of the Ziomedia’s narrative about Russia and by what appeared to me as his “no nonsense” approach towards getting things done. I wrote many articles for this blog saying that having hopes (not expectations!) for Trump was the right thing to do. And, frankly, I think that at the time it was. Last Fall I even wrote an entire chapter on this topic in the book “If I were King: Advice for President Trump“. The big difference is that before his election we could only judge Trump by his words. Now, however, we can judge him by his words and his actions and the latter show us a consistent pattern of supine subservience to the Neocons and their demands, from the betrayal of his friend and key advisor Flynn, to the recent threats to bomb Syria for, allegedly, “preparing” to use chemical munitions against civilians.
This might be his, shall we call it, “Las Vegas culture” – but Trump is all about form over substance and appearance over facts. Just look at his frankly pathetic threats (with no less than 3 aircraft carrier strike groups!) against the DPRK or his half-assed missile strike on the Syrian airbase: it’s all a big show, nothing more. No wonder the man likes “tweeting” – he seems to think in 140 character long “thought clusters”…
None of that would be too bad if the USA, and the West generally, had a halfway decent media and a Legislative Branch worthy of its name. In theory, these could raise hell and demand that the President either resign or begin doing his job. But, of course, they don’t and they won’t. They hate Trump, of course, but they also own him. He can make fun of them in “tweets” on his free time, but in terms of his policies he does exactly what they want. And the very last thing they want is any kind of “detente” with Russia. At most, they will impeach Trump just to humiliate him, but that’s about it. They don’t even need to play their “Pence” card – Trump is what is colloquially known in US ghettos as their “punk-ass bitch”.
Ever since the ill-fated “GWOT” more or less petered out, Russia has become the indispensable bogeyman to terrify the public and justify multi-billion dollar corruption schemes. Not only that, but a “resurgent Russia” is the cornerstone justification of the AngloZionist paranoia about a need to spend more on the war state, the police state and, of course, on corporate greed. The powers that be are even re-heating old, Cold War era, scaring techniques:
The Defense Intelligence Agency has recently released a “Russian Military Power 2017” report. Since it is pretty well written, I actually recommend that you download and read it: it is a mix of pretty good information about the Russian Armed Forces and the garden variety nonsense about Russian hackers and their cyber-threat to US and its allies. Just set aside the clearly politically-induced nonsense and you are left with a rather well made summary of what the Russian Armed Forces are up to these days.
I have to thank the DIA for this report: it made me feel young again, like I was in the 1980s when all the student of warfare and of the Soviet military were reading these annual “Soviet Military Power” reports with great interest. But other than making some of us feel young, the real purpose of this document is clear and it is the very same one behind the Cold War era “Soviet Military Power” series: to justify an increase in “defense” (i.e. “aggression”) spending by showing how scary these evil Commies/Russikies were/are.
This would all be rather funny, and nostalgic in a way, if it did not show the total lack of imagination of the folks at the Pentagon. Far from coming up with anything novel or interesting, they are bringing back into service stuff which for years had been collecting dust in the memories of now mostly retired Cold Warriors. It is rather pathetic, really.
Over the past 30 years or so, Russia went from being the Soviet Union, to being a Somalia-like “democratic hell” during the 1990s, to becoming a completely new entity – a “New Russia” which is dramatically different from the Soviet Union of the 1980s. In contrast, the USA got completely stuck in its old patterns, except for this time they are “the same, but even worse”. If the USA did not have nukes that would almost be okay (after all, the world can let “Uncle Sam” slowly lose his sclerotic brain, who cares?) but when a nuclear superpower is acting like an out-of-control rogue state, this is very, very, scary.
So back to our G20 meeting again. The first thing which needs to be said is that Trump is weak, extremely weak: he goes in with the Ziomedia and Congress hating him and with a basically treacherous White House team clearly controlled by Pence, Kushner and the rest of the Neocon crazies. To make things worse, Trump can offer the Russians absolutely nothing they would want or need.
Please don’t buy this sanctions canard. The damage these sanctions could do they have already done. The simple truth is that Russia has already survived the sanctions and come out even stronger, this is confirmed by international organizations and by the private sector. In fact, removing the sanctions right now would hurt the Russian economy far more, especially the agricultural sector, which has greatly benefited from the de-facto protectionist protection provided to the Russian economy by these sanctions. Likewise, the Russian defense industry has successfully adapted to the total severance by the Ukronazi regime of all the defense contracts with Russia and now 100% Russian military systems and parts are being produced in Russia at a cheaper price and of a higher quality. Besides, since Congress and UN Nikki have made it pretty darn clear that sanctions will remain in place until Russia agrees to return Crimea to the Ukraine, nothing will change until the current Ukraine finally breaks into three of four parts.
Trump could, in theory, offer the Russians to stop sabotaging the peace process in Syria and the Russians would surely welcome that. But since the US policy of illegal air and missile strikes combined with a deployment of US forces on the ground in Syria is failing anyway, see here and here, the Russians are going to get what they want whether the US wants it or not.
As for the Ukraine, the situation there is so bad that an increasing number of specialists are saying that even the US has lost control of Banderastan and that now it’s going to be all about intra-Ukie power plays: the social, political, military, cultural and economic disaster has reach what I would call an “escape velocity” when the various processes taking place are basically chaotic, unpredictable and unmanageable. I am personally very dubious that the Americans would have anything to offer the Russians.
How about the other way around? What could the Russians offer Trump?
Again, I am afraid that nothing much either.
Russian foreign policies are all centered around the development of a multi-polar world and Putin is now extremely busy dealing with some seriously important matters. So what can Putin offer Trump? A promise not to invade Lithuania? Trump knows that there never was any such threat to begin with. It’s not like Putin can agree to pretend not to see the constant inflow of NATO forces and equipment into eastern Europe as the latter constitute a serious threat to the Russian national security. Could the Russian promise that they won’t fly over the Baltic without their transponders on? Hardly, since the first ones to switch off their transponders were the Americans. What about a Russian promise not to intercept Secretary of Defense Mattis’ civilian transport aircraft over international waters? But wait – that was the other way around, it’s NATO (a Polish F-16 actually) which intercepted Shoigu’s aircraft over the Baltic Sea during a long announced and official trip from mainland Russia to Kaliningrad (and who then ran away as soon as a Russian SU-27 showed the missiles it was carrying under it’s wings which by convention means “get the hell out of here or I shoot you down“), so its not the Russians, but the American who need to reign in their yapping poodle.
[Sidebar: I have never been a big admirer of Polish politicians, but now Poland is reaching truly historical lows in terms of cowardice, dishonor and plain stupidity; from their “war on statues“, to their idiotic accusation that the Russian ATC deliverately crashed an official Polish aircraft ( resulting form their categorical inability to accept that their own politicians gave a stupid order to their pilots) to Prime Minister Kazinsky’s war on “cyclists and vegetarians“, to the resurrection of the extremely dangerous “Three Seas” plan – Poland is constantly up to the no good and self-deafeningly stupid. But then, what are we to expect from a country which considers a character like Pilsudksi as a national hero? Sadly, Poland is repeating its worst historical mistake: the one of constantly trying to trigger a conflict between the West and Russia (apparently, history has taught them nothing). So now, the tiny Polish poodle is barking at the Russian Bear convinced that Uncle Sam and the West will protect him if the bear comes down charging. Truly, human stupidity is limitless].
I think I can guess what the Americans want: a partition of Syria, if not de jure then de facto. I don’t think that this will work. For one thing, the Americans are (yet again) overlooking the fact that the main actor in Syria is not Russia but Iran and Iran has no reason whatsoever to agree to any such partition. Neither do the Russians, of course. The only ones truly interested in a partition of Syria are,who else, the Israelis and since they are now back in charge of the White House, they are the ones pushing for this “solution”. But that is something Turkey and Iran cannot accept as this would not only create a “Wahabistan” in eastern Syria, but also some kind of Kurdistan in the north – hardly a recipe for peace. And, finally, let’s not forget the Syrians themselves. They perfectly understand that any partition of their homeland would leave them squeezed between Israel in the southwest and some kind of crazy Daesh pretend-caliphate in the northeast – why would they ever accept such a rotten and, not to mention, unsustainable deal?
For the Americans, of course, it’s the other way around: since they could not get the black flag of Daesh to fly over Damascus they see the partition of Syria as the only acceptable outcome. They will therefore oppose any peace process, especially one crafted by Russia, Iran and Turkey, with every ugly trick in their bag.
So, will the upcoming meeting yield nothing, nothing at all?
It will yield the fact that the two leaders spoke to each other, face to face. That is not unimportant. I also have some hopes for some type of ‘deconfliction’ agreements between Russia and the US/NATO (switch they bloody transponders on again!). If we can get resumption of some kind of talks between NATO and Russia it would also be a good thing, even if nothing much concrete is achieved by this. I suspect that Trump would love the ditch the Ukraine, but he can’t do that on political reasons. If the Russians can con the Americans to endorse, even just verbally, the Astana talks on Syria that would be good because it would make it marginally harder for the Pentagon and/or the CIA to engage in false flag chemical attacks or any other such nonsense. Am I missing something? Yeah, probably some kind of “cultural exchanges” (that’s when diplomats are truly desperate and have nothing else to offer) or a common plan to protect polar bears (thank God for small things all the same!).
The Russians will probably try to get Trump into agreeing to some kind of new UN Resolution on Syria, but since we all know that the USA disregards UN resolutions anyway, it won’t be much of a victory, even if it will feel good for a while.
I hope I am wrong, really wrong, totally wrong even. I will be watching the (hopefully joint) press conference of Trump and Putin on Friday with a tiny leftover and paradoxical spark of hope that maybe, just maybe, Trump has something good left inside him. But I won’t be holding my breath. They say that hope dies last. Maybe. I will find out on Friday.
Kindly take it as a positive criticism. I think you suffer from a military analyst syndrome. That is why you are so negative. I wish to believe so. Trump may be playing his cards close to the chest . I would like to believe that. Once Ziomedia continues its self destruction, he might have some more operating space. Just my opinions. I do not want the scary WAR!
“Nothing will change until the current Ukraine finally breaks into three of four parts.”
-There is pretty much zero democratic support for that, the Ukrainian people want Ukraine to remain.
That would certainly depend on the area of the country that was asked. And I’d like to see that question asked without the fascist pro-junta gangs running loose in the cities.And a free vote allowed in the different Oblasts.
“There is pretty much zero democratic support for that, the Ukrainian people want Ukraine to remain.”
I don’t think a democratic process was implied.
More likely it will come about because people are shooting at each other across two or three fronts that devolve into de facto borders.
I believe the saker was actually far too optimistic when trump was ‘elected’ and hilarious Clinton was ‘defeated’. Assuming there was a chance that both these killer pigs did not eat from the same trough. Unfortunately, unsurprisingly, he was mistaken, as were many more…I admit I felt a shock of jubiliation at the time, but it’s merely a case of getting carried away with the punch and Judy show of ‘elections’ at least in the US. Where president after president perhaps since JFK have been puppets of the corporate realm and mainly Zionism. The rest had no power, or ever less and are nothing more than glorified sitcom stars who the masses look to as some form of totem…
Trump is part of the very swamp people still bang on about him draining. When all evidence points to Zero change whatsoever in policy which matters to the US and the world.
Victoria Nuland is not Secretary of State.
Count your blessings, Johan!
I suppose it’s possible, Cassandra, that the contrast in the various elements/ factions of the Anglo Zionist machine could equate to some semblance or even form of moral differences which might matter, yet I doubt it…Nuland may well have been simply rather overzealous in her efforts to ingratiate herself to her overseers, whereas Hefern and whoever comes after him might overtly behave less horridly though work toward the exact same script and agenda as those before and after. Going about the same business in a different manner on the surface of things…
Saker, Please take no offense, but I agree with Jeeth. I believe Trump is finding a way to improve US Russian Federation relations. Why would either party disclose the improvements when to do so would neuter the current and future benefits?
Dude… Trump doesn’t have any cards. He is in over his head, his enemies are not one step in front of him but a whole bloody mile!
Yes it certainly seems like it. I have read that when Trump isn’t tweeting he spends his time selling souvenir inauguration mugs and baseball caps. It’s The Simpsons come to life!
Putin could offer Donald a beautiful chocolate cake and watch the expression on his face.
Just imagine Trump’s reaction to realising how much better Russian chocolate cake is than American chocolate cake…
Maybe he would beg for Russian citizenship!
Russian ice cream. President Xi’s favorite now.
Two scoops for Trump.
Putin should turn up driving one of these – the BMTP Terminator
I don’t think Putin is doing it
BMPT ( Tank Support Combat Vehicle ) concept was long pushed by Ural Tank plant.
However Russian Military is not very fond of it.
They maybe think other devices can do it (like Shilka air defense gun)
They maybe think they should support other plants too and give them orders for Kurganets-based vehicles.
They maybe think that while the concept is nice, it is in an absilute backlog, while they can not afford themselves lots of much more needed purchases and vehicles than BMPT.
Whatever the reason, Russian Army never saw BMPT for practical purchase, it was always a curious experiment. Consequently, every potential foreign customer also saw BMPT as some queer folly, that even Russia itself steps around.
Now, Ural Tank Plant could be given green light to prove their concept in the real war. If BMPT would substantiate the claim that is makes qualitative not quantitative difference to the military units, then it might get some foreign contracts or even domestic ones. If they would not, Russian army would rightfully said “see, we told you, you are enamored with your favorite theories about BMPT, but the practical reality is much more simple and rude and there is no room for such a class of weapons”
Both ways old confusion and conflict point might get cleared with practical and objective chance, and either open Ural Tank Plant road to foreign markets, or to seal this project fate but forever.
Seriously, is Russian chocolate that good ????? You have me curious. Not sure if people are being sarcastic or it has that reputation.
My sister used to bring home a cake every day in Moscow. It did wonders for our waistlines.
They were all better on average, by about 30 IQ points, than what you might find in the failed state formerly known as the Thirteen American Colonies. And some of what is sold in the USA is simply as ‘food’ is simply outlawed in Russia as toxic waste.
How about: temp is DC is 1000 C, care fo another slice?
Try 20million degrees for a few seconds.
Will have you over for some Kex and a look at our beautiful new Jotul woodstove.
Even better, Putin could offer Trump a slice of cake while showing him fresh footage of Russian air-strikes on al-Tanf. “Take a bite, Mr. Trump, there’s something I’d like to show you…” ;-)
With a side serve of lychees from Xi.
“As for the Ukraine, the situation there is so bad that an increasing number of specialists are saying that even the US has lost control of Banderastan and that now it’s going to be all about intra-Ukie power plays: the social, political, military, cultural and economic disaster has reach what I would call an “escape velocity” when the various processes taking place are basically chaotic, unpredictable and unmanageable.”
“Ukraine’s economy grows nearly 5%”
If Ukraines economy is growing (after a massive contraction) – then they won’t need any handouts. And can start paying back the IMF
That is your evidence – yahoo “fake news” news service ??? Try harder. We all know where Yahoo stands.
“February 14, 2017”
that was a St. Valentine flattening poem, not a financial article :-D
“(GDP) growth reached 4.7 percent between October and December 2016 compared to the same period a year earlier.”
Now, enter exchangerates.org.uk
The US Dollar to Ukraine Hryvnia exchange rate on was as follows:
14 December 2016: 1 USD = 26.3266 UAH
14 December 2015: 1 USD = 23.7955 UAH
1047 UAH / 26.3266 = $39,77 (2016)
1000 UAH / 23.7955 = $42,02 (2015)
GDP grouth they say….
….while there is no infrastructure reinvestment.
….while their people dying of botulism and the state has no money to purchase any vaccine anywhere
….while Lvov city is sinking in wastes and the state has no money to even move it out of the city into some rural area
Look, even if there WAS some GDP growth, without reinvestment into infrastructure keeping it from deteriorating it would not be the real sustanable growth, but mere fire-sale of their future.
Sadly even as they do sale all their future el cheapo – their GDP still declined.
I know the official exchange rate of the griven and the actual rate. ‘On the street’ you pay 35 to 40 griven for a dollar. Period.
The powerhouse of Ukraine industry is Novorossiya and there seems to be a bit of a civil war there, ergo Ukraine has no access to the industry of Novorossiya since about May 2014.
Toss in the loss of in excess of 10% of Ukraine populace either from staying in Novorossiya and fighting or running to Mother and EU and it is impossible to have had, have or foresee in future any economic growth in Ukraine, IOW it ain’t gonna happen and Ukraine as a semi viable entity is dead, killed in Odessa and buried in Mariupol in early May 2014.
Concur on most every salient point you make.
The real G20 is going on today and tomorrow in Moscow between Xi and Putin.
The reception of Xi with a military honor guard, following the statements last week about a military cooperation roadmap between the two nations (not yet alliance, but a Daoist ‘Way’ of military cohesiveness I predicted in Double Helix.)
The analysis and prediction you lay out, Saker, is correct. Neither has anything to give to the other. There is no “deal” to be made between Russia and the US. Trump probably can’t even arranged a visit to Russia or welcome Putin to the US. They would need several neutral zone meetings before that sort of meeting would be “allowed” by the Russophobes.
In any close analysis we see bad outcomes. Some less bad than others.
Trump has zero control of his foreign policy. Even Jared pimped the latest Chemical Weapons warning in behalf of his sidekick, Herr Bibi.
Trump’s Dilemma is his campaign promises versus his imprisonment in the Oval Office.
In order to get quick victories on his nation’s 7 active battlefields, all bad prospects owned and operated by CENTCOM, NATO and AFRICOM, he went with “his generals”. And he went alone, instead of insisting on cooperative action with Russia. He gave away his key to success.
After this G 20 meeting, Putin will move in the one place no one suspects—Donbass. It won’t be military, per se, but it will lead to the military solution necessary. Ukraine, the warmongers and NATO will push at Russia one kilometer too far, and the Novorossiya project will be “on”.
Syria is decided. The Russian Central Bank has printed the Syrian currency with Assad’s image on it. Though the sphere of influence in Syria is Iranian, the hard, cold facts on the ground are Russian. Russia will be the Syrian Protectorate Governor.This will keep Israel at bay. And keep Turkey caged in.
Great moments in history in the next few days. Moscow, then Astana, then Hamburg. Multipolarity is being born as the Hegemon shrivels.
Indeed the world is (as quickly as possible) moving from unipolarity, the dollar, and neocon poison.
Every day, even every hour has me hoping and praying it will a safe separation.
Saker + Larchmonter….
How soon, _ if ever_ can the RF de- Rothschild it’s own CB?
I note the increasing ruble- yuan direct trade, but how soon can they kick the BIS + CBS to the kerb?
Any useful links to peruse re this?
5-10 years of Russia being pushed away from EU market.
If the US really bites into the natural gas market, it could accelerate things.
The development of EAEU-OBOR are very important.
Can’t happen soon. A decade or so probably.
Rethinking the CB itself with all the gold Russia has would be one step. China will be using gold under the RMB in due course.
If there is no more recessions for 8-10 years, Russia will be in great shape to leave all the West’s financial institutions behind.
The entanglement is not a binary, flip the switch. But as Eurasia comes into focus as the new growth market, a separate bucket of currencies (China-Russia-Iran-Japan-India) might be viable. China looks to stay independent from US control, so maybe Russia and China together will have a working committee study the ways to limit CB grip. BIS is already avoided in many trade deals. There is barter and Yuan-based transactions that are doing that for a few years. Russia and Iran have done it. That’s the easier one to kill off. The Petrodollar is really being crippled.
One of the reasons China and Russia are targets of containment is they clearly intend to leave many of those US dominated institutions. Even the generals complain that it’s a threat to the “established post-War norms”. Imagine, if a Chinese general talked that way. Fucking arrogance of clowns like McMaster.
And not forgetting the multipolar world of cryptocurrencies that CBs are extrememly afraid of.
Didn’t you think that cryptocurrencies are Pandora box
Their essence is that EVERYONE HAS FULL INFORMATION ABOUT EVERYONE’s FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS, all of them. That is what is called “block chain”
Now, indeed, there is a problem of attributing some Wallet #123456 to some mr. John Smith. And while BTC remains marginal niche toy it would be like that.
However, if it goes mainstream, then it would be like with social networks.
Just looking which everyday services (like visiting groceries, goes to cinema, paying utilities) every wallet paid for – it would be quickly attributed to a physical person.
Of course only next door Joe would be found out, the 1% would have a number of screening pseudo-business companies, etc. They would have enough to pay some extra for fogging services, for anonymizing proxies of blockchain. But me and you would probable not.
The key to the strength of the dollar is the ‘stability’ of the US society.
Given the Neocons’ destructive attack of DJT in pursuit of almighty blessings for the one, exceptional state, and that their attacks undermine confidence in the stability of the US, and that without that perceived stability and th4e strength of the dollar the US cannot protect Israel, how wonderfully ironic that they sow, fertilize, water and harvest the grains of their own destruction.
Great one, White Whale, thank you for this!
This is always my own marker, if I look at the different players: “tell me who is emitting your currency and I’ll tell you, who your boss is.
“Trump’s Dilemma is his campaign promises versus his imprisonment in the Oval Office.”
Brilliant explanation Larchmonter445!
Trump is not imprisoned he just told the gullible what they wanted to hear and got the votes.Democrat or Republican two sides or the same putrid coin.
…still waiting for Russian Liquid Gas plant built at the western Syrians seashores.
With stupid Bulgaria and Turkey having had shown their unreliability their mediterranean shores are not very interesting anymore. Same goes for Greece with mr. Tsipras.
“You cannot lean upon what does not resist”
So, LNG plant can be made in between Russian naval and air bases in Syria.
Then China can be asked to dig a heavy tankers sea gas terminal – they were causing seabed deepening services to Ukrainan sea ports in adn around Crimea AFAIR. Good, they can be relied upon Syrian too then.
And then there would be no more point in alienating Qatar, whose gas pipe was one of the reasons to invade Syria.
Qatar might make underwater pipe with Iran, and there forth both states would have continental pipes to China and pipes through Syria to Russian LNG port ( that pipe would also be used by Iran, like Qaatar would be using Iranian pipes going to China market).
Russia would get European LNG market, Qatar would be allowed to reach there through Russian port cheaper than through their Gulf – as long as Syria is peaceful and stable. Syria itself would get steady taxation of both Qatar/Iran and Russia businesses.
Israeli sea gas fields then would be probably allowed to the same LNG facility too.
Syria becomes Russian LNG trade hub of Europe, linking it into the same make trade not war web.
I share you pessimistic view about this meet going anywhere, though from a different perspective. Don’t see trump as being opposed to the neocons, but as being one of them. His more sensible campaign rhetoric was simply the usual lies to get a few more votes, a pindo traditional political tradition.
“This might be his, shall we call it, “Las Vegas culture” – but Trump is all about form over substance and appearance over facts. Just look at his frankly pathetic threats (with no less than 3 aircraft carrier strike groups!) against the DPRK or his half-assed missile strike on the Syrian airbase: it’s all a big show, nothing more. No wonder the man likes “tweeting” – he seems to think in 140 character long “thought clusters”…”
Clearly the oligarchy of zionist occultists were never going to let Trump do anything. However, that does not mean that he will do a good or even competent job of implementing the neo-con dreams.
Had Killary won it would have been business as usual with all the faux back and forth of the Obama parade but seasoned with her special brand of entitlement trash talk. That is what is lacking – all the work of creating the gender/bender/diversity/victim/entitlement/self righteous = vassal stooge tools – has come to not. Making the implementation of the death cult nightmare all that much more difficult to achieve.
Perception is what America is all about and that smooth propaganda transition has been smashed by Trump – that is all Trump can contribute. The rest is up to the world to come together and fight the anglo/zionists – certainly there will only be minimal to zero support from within the US political class.
In a way I’m like Saker, I had very high hopes concerning President Trump. The man surely did not arrive at his current stage of life by being easily turned or discouraged and this begs the question of what did The Swamp threaten him with? Death of his children, his death, total financial destruction? What?
It really doesn’t matter what The Swamp told him, the fact is it looks like he’s rolled over and to all intents and purposes died. So be it.
However, this means war is coming, it’s not an ‘if’ but a ‘when’. There’s not a thing I or we can do to stop it and my wife has again categorically refused to join the three children in safe haven away from this obvious Ground Zero we call home. So be it. We will live, and possibly die, in this wonderful little bucolic berg of Sevastopol, the prize, the Gold Ring of all the mess in Ukraine and EU.
The bad thing, the truly horrific result of this mess, is for the first time in 150 years the continental USA will be visited by destruction the citizenry can not comprehend. Do TPTB in Foggy Bottom really think Russia will quietly fold and fade away to nothing with nary a whimper? If the neocons truly think that then they have no ability to comprehend anything. VVP has clearly stated on more than one occasion that any attack on Sevastopol or Krimea or Kaliningrad or a single square millimeter of Russian soil is the same as a concerted attack on Moskau or St. Pete and if he decides such an attack is eminent then he will strike first. Read up on him, I’m not talking bovine scatology, I telling you what the President of Russia has clearly said on more than one occasion.
Me, I’ll continue to write and not worry about this. If war comes, I’ve seen it before. I hate it, I hate it with a passion, but if needs be I’ll fight one more time, this time in defense of my home, my family, my loved ones, my small footprint on this rock we call home.
I will close with a small quote from An Incident On Simonka:
“Know this, Marine. We will fight you, if needs be we will fight you alone and to the death. You may take this city but what you will get is a smoking ruin where we will fight you for every house, every cottage, every wall, every back alley, every window, every hill, every ditch, every dacha garden. You will be safe nowhere. Sevastopol will be your grave, Marine, you and all of your comrades, it will make Stalingrad look like a kindergarten tea party.”
Never The Last One http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCY8KK A deep view of Russian Culture and Military.
An Incident On Simonka. NATO Is Invited To Leave https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ERKH3IU
Thank you for your insight, Auslander. Your concern about the absolute seriousness of the situation is something I share.
Several hours ago, I posted a comment with some info I was given by an anonymous source (not the US State Department :-) That source shared with me that Canadian insiders expect the US to rapidly descend into civil war. My concern is that Trump accepts this as inevitable, and is primarily focused on taking care of his family, and positioning them for the post civil war US. Would this explain much of his behavior?
Being Canadian, my first question was “what about the border states? Will they remain part of the Union or would they consider an alternative?” Source: “some will, some won’t” Canada has plans to protect itself from the war spilling across the border, the source says.
To recap my other post, the source told me that Canada is using its Five Eyes branch to track liberal imperial foot soldiers, who have been moving into Canadian cities, buying property, with the intent of disrupting or altering Canadian society for conquest. Now that Russia is officially back in the “global superpower” chair, these plans are coming to an end.
According to this source, all these “soldiers” will be removed from the country. To which I reply: “All?” The source: “All of them.” I don’t know how that would happen, but that’s what I was told. The expectation is that most of them will leave on their own, when the funds stop. They’ll follow the money.
Source says, Canadians can expect drastic changes in the retail sector in the next few years.
“hat Canadian insiders expect the US to rapidly descend into civil war. ”
What would be the trigger of this civil war?
What would be the “sides”
I hsould think that if Trump knows the future in this way, he might well ask Putin, once he has him in private, What the f to do.
Letzten Endes ist er der Praesident.
If he wants to avoid war, he can.
What would be the trigger of this civil war?
Inequality (in a few years the US will consist mainly of baristas) , defaulting corporations, defaulting communities/states and more cuts in spending on social programs.
Even if Donald Trump will be able to motivate some companies to move jobs back to the US, automation will continue. Stocks are overrated. Many company stocks kept rising due to stock buybacks, rewarding management with some bonuses, whilst R&D got neglected. In the next 5 years many malls will be closing (estimates vary from 25% to a Third). People are heavily indebted and auto loans can’t be paid back (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-28/-deep-subprime-becomes-norm-in-car-loan-market-analysts-say). Once I had read that auto loans are repackaged and sold as securities the same that had been done with mortgages before 2008. Lots of US citizens are barely able to repay student loans (especially if they can’t get any work in their field of studies and have to take jobs at Starbucks, McD, etc. to make ends meet). Thanks to private pension funds (instead of a form of social contract as had been common in Europe, but is dismantled there as well) problems will get worse. A few years Detroit defaulted on its payments of public pensions and had to renegotiate the promises they once made. The problems will get worse – in the US and Europe – if neoliberalism continues its grip and nobody even remotely thinks of alternative economic models. Tariffs may slow down the decline, but they won’t stop it.
John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute has been warning for quite some time as to how the future is likely to look like if we’re not going to change it (watch: “Is the U.S. Military Planning to Take Over America?”; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2JBCX1Na7k). The situation in Europe isn’t much better. In France Macron eagerly tries to dismantle the welfare state, to weaken unions and to prolong state emergency. Since last year the German military is permitted (for the first time after WW II) to assist the police in case of emergency. I hope the citizens of the UK were able to stop this trend by voting for Jeremy Corbyn. I wouldn’t hold my breath. Those in power tried and will try their best to sabotage Corbyn wherever they can.
google “Pitchforks are coming”
and Liberty Blitzkrieg
and perhaps The Archdruid Report
all in all, there would be not “trigger”. Like with diesel engines – whaereis the spark plug? there is none, just pressure grows on until it bangs.
De facto hyperinflated prices: compare prices for Russian and American jets, ships, etc. – and MIC is maybe the last American industrial production pocket left.
The “offence culture” – if you are in trouble, find some scapegoat and make him pay.
The “fake it till you make it” which blocks any real diagnosis of bad situations, let alone bitter measures to overcome it.
The dead end of globalization – there just is no place on little Earth to expand American trade sphere to. The ponzi scheme of American financial markets just lost the inflow. What happens with Ponzi next?
And the absolute craziness of Clinton vs Trump turf war only reminds me the infamous “liberating you from chimera called conscience”.
No more limits insidehte people left.
The Fergusson – and how the “journalists” used it to mutualy dehumanize people and policemen, insisting both not only can not negotiate but would better take no prisoners. Look, dunno if you ever heard about Vradievka events, but how MSM in Ukraine used it was contributing to people seeing murdering and torturing policemen in EuroMaidan as nothing special. It was done in USA too.
There would be no any specific – thus rationally predictable – trigger. It is just pressure getting exponentially stronger until it all collapses “with a bang or with a whimper”
Frankly that is what i thought about Trump vs Killary. Killary would lead to WW3, international war, and Trump would deny WW3 and thus lead to internal civil collapse.
It is not that i would enjoy civil war in USA – the state having world top stockpiles of nuclear and bacteriological weapons, but for me living outside of USA it is still better than WW3. For Americans themselves…. i wish i knew…
…the question of what did The Swamp threaten him with? Death of his children, his death, total financial destruction? What?
Because he was desperate for money, in his loan dealings with Deutsche Bank Trump broke one his own cardinal rules.
Gulp before you read this: he personally guaranteed the loans.
Donald Trump is personally on the hook to Deutsche Bank for roughly $300 million.
The debt—on a Florida golf resort, a Washington D.C. hotel and a Chicago tower—is currently being paid.
But if the loans default, the bank could go after Trump’s other assets. Americans may be witness to the horrible spectacle of watching a bank foreclose on a sitting President of the United States.
Trump Org has huge cash flow into their properties.
In 1990, when Atlantic City went bad, he was personally on the line for over 900 million dollars. He got a loan, paid it all off in three years.
He has billions of dollars in available credit any time he needs it.
Read his personal financial statements of 2015 and 2016. Federal sworn statements.
98 pages of one, 104 pages of the other, as I recall.
500 entities. He is very flush.
And is there any “proof” that Deutche Bank holds his loan?
Or are we chasing fake shit from the shitmeisters?
When it comes to wealth, Trump is a premier wealth-generator.
There is no air in any of his properties. They are all real estate, the highest end, with the highest valuations in the premier locations. And generating revenues 24/7, 365.
I’d expect Putin would treat the US the same as Syria: let the people of the US decide the future of their country. I doubt Putin would get involved, at all, or give any specific advice?
If a civil war is brewing, this may account for Kissinger’s visit.
As for a trigger and sides, I have no idea, but I’d expect that American citizens, those living there, would have some insight about that.
In other words, the Canadian sources are full of s—.
Why quote them here?
I’m sorry to offend you. :-) I thought it might be relevant to Auslander – if the Americans turn on each other, then Sevastopol might be spared another attack. A little, you know, compassion, empathy….
There is no way to deflect the animosity those who fomented Maidan feel for Sevastopol and Krimea. Ukraine meant nothing to them, the prize, the sack of gold, for that whole disaster was Sevastopol and the harbor plus removing the Russian Black Sea Fleet to Novorossisk. He who owns Sevastopol owns the Black Sea, pure and simple.
Their plan was to turn Sevastopol in to a large NATO, read US, navy base and dominate both the Sea and Krimea Peninsula, turning the peninsula in to a huge NATO armed base with massive quantities of ‘defensive’ missile bases which could be, and would be, used to launch clouds of cruise missiles in to Russia and in essence negating every Russian missile and defensive missile base west of the Ural Mountains, ergo in reality pushing all of Russia far to the east and opening all of west Russia to total domination and eventual occupation by EU/US.
They will never forget, nor forgive, what was done here to prevent this event and they will never forget, nor forgive, the very small cadre from this sainted city who started the resistance to the well known plans, at very great and quite possibly fatal consequences to themselves. Talk about bravery, these few in the beginning risked their very lives to save this city and this peninsula. Those of us who know in detail what happened will never forget their efforts that were brought to fruition by them and the many citizens who joined the effort in those fateful days of 21-28 February 2014.
I thank you for your kind words and concern. While I despise the efforts some in the American Government have made to destroy this bucolic little city America is my birthplace and I do not wish civil war there any more than I wish it here, I have seen enough war up close and personal to not wish it on anyone. That being said, if anyone attacks my city or my region then yes, old as I am I will fight one more time. I have not forgotten how to use Comrade Kalashnikov’s Ode to World Peace nor have I forgotten how to street fight nor have I forgotten how to kill tanks. And I am not alone, this is a City of veterans.
Well said. I know that is how the historical narrative will be written in the future. As for writing – are you a WW – II vet? You sounded like one in the end sentence. Fought in the Battle of Stalingrad ??? I saw a movie on it. One Russian made and one US made (both about snipers). Despite the production differences, the Russian one was way different. Unlike the American version, it shows the battle less about snipers as the ultimate game changer and sole activity of the battle, and shows more of what the battle was really like (and civilian drama behind it). Russian movies are artistic masterpieces (I use that word because compared to Hollywood crap, it seems that way) and the Russian Sevastopol movie is like reading Russian literature – a human element, a Russian idiosyncrasy you would find from Tolstoy to Solzhenitsyn.
You must be a historical treasure over there. So mush to say, so much to learn, and knowing what needs to be done.
While I am a veteran I was born 9 months and 16 seconds after my father returned from Germany in 1946 after the second half of the 1914 war. The standing family joke was it’s a good thing my mother answered the door rather than her sister, otherwise I’d be my cousin. My pen name tells you what I am here but I am accepted and I’ve integrated somewhat in to local culture.
No cinematic effort can convey War, it is physically impossible to convey all the senses and emotions on celluloid. The written word is best for that task but even writing can not show the abject horror of War. As an aside, you can not write what I write without having been there and done that and I do very much pull the punches of what I try to convey in my scribblings. If you look at my Amazon books, click on ‘look inside’. You will get an idea of the style with which I write and you can also read the reviews of the novel and short story in which Tolstoy is mentioned.
Our world is different from your world, think night and day difference. We are not Moscow or St. Petersburg, we are Old Rossiya to a greater or lesser extent depending on where you are in this bucolic little berg. I mention this difference in my writing and simply reading some of my efforts will give you an idea of the formal politeness often found here.
On the other hand humor is well understood here. It is no secret who I am and what I am and even Father Giorgei at St. Nikolas knows. Father is actually a part of the basis of Father Mitrofan in my novel and Father and I have a standing joke concerning both of us being in the same AO at one time eons ago.
Father is a Warrior Priest and we talk often but we of course never go in to detail of what we did, when and how. Veterans do not dwell on what they have seen and done, when service is completed we lock the memories away in that ornately carved little treasures box in the deep recesses of our minds and get on with life. There are times when we must pull that little box out, unwrap it from it’s beautifully embroidered cloth, take the key and carefully unlock the box and look inside. We have sepia toned memories of our comrades as they were, young and strong and vigorous, and we remember what happened, when and why, we remember what might have been, what could have been and what will never be. We then carefully put all the memories back in the box, lock it, wrap it in it’s cloth and put it away where it belongs, deep in the dark corner on it’s shelf. My closest companion and comrade, my wife, has never seen that box and she never will.
I highly recommend the series (1970s) The Forgotten War. Can be found on youtube.
“Several hours ago, I posted a comment with some info I was given by an anonymous source (not the US State Department :-) That source shared with me that Canadian insiders expect the US to rapidly descend into civil war. : . . . ”
I am not “offended” (great emoticon deployment!)
I was and *am* challenging you to follow through with actual info when you cite those in the know.
“I have no idea, but I’d expect that American citizens, those living there, would have some insight about that. . . . I thought it might be relevant to Auslander ”
Sorry, but you sound a bit silly! ;-)
OK, let’s change the subject then!
Here’s a brief interview with Deputy Foreign Minister, Sergei Ryabkov, published in the newspaper Ivestia on July 3rd. He gives a perspective on US/Russia relations.
PM Trudeau to give keynote address at National Governors Association Summer Meeting, which is being held in Rhode Island on July 14th. Just announced.
In this modern communications age, is there really any difference between two leaders talking face-to-face and two leaders talking on the phone?
I guess the photographers prefer the handshake photo-op as opposed to the “picture the leader on an important phone call” photo-op. But, is there any real difference in the ability of the leaders to be able to communicate?
Huge psychological difference, and the language barrier plus all the extras listening in on both ends are barriers also.
They need 3-4 days, like Saker indicated.
Sochi and Camp David or a golf resort for Trump.
They also need a neutral place for calm before a long 3-4 days.
However, expect none of this.
Putin is in charge. Xi knows it. The Iranians know it. The rest of the multi-polar world knows. Only the US, the West and Trump’s people don’t know it.
He will split up Ukraine, severely set back EU, render neutered NATO and move the Eurasian Project forward, while the US and Israel contemplate a war they cannot win.
When he decided to move into Syria, he was all in, his way, but all in.
They made him pay right away with the downing of the civilian airliners over the Sinai. He stayed. Turkey shoot down of the jet fighter. He stayed. Mortar attack on the medical facility. He stayed. Putin is all in. He’s in Crimea. He’s in Donbass. He’s in Kaliningrad. He’s in South Ossetia. He’s in Transnistria. He’s all in. All in the South China Sea. He’s all in the Kurill Islands. He’s all in Turkey. He’s going to be all in Egypt and Libya.
He’s all in the world oil and gas wars.
And now they need him badly to save them from North Korea.
The Russophobes’ nightmare is all in and they cannot beat him anywhere.
They have made the ultimate mistake. They have underestimated their opponent.
Well said, hats off to you sir :-))
Well said indeed.
Just a observation: “Only the US, the West and Trump’s people don’t know it.” = Oh, they know … this is why they are in such disarray. The military, the 17 “intelligence” agencies and the White House cannot agree on what to do. See the latest “Assad-chemical-attack” warning emanating from the White House, whereas the military said that nothing of the sort had been on their radar (pun not intended). :)
don’t forget the double Helix
there when and where is military game there is Putin in charge
there where and when is a financial/economic game – Xi is
The WW3 as it is now seems to be more financial than military.
Also, even if USA-and-friends gets slayed tomorrow, there still is ongoing crisis that started in 2007 and goes on ever since. You can destroy USA with gold or with nukes, you can not destroy the crisis like that.
Globalism crisis is the real enemy, and USA is “if we can’t have it all then nobody will” egomaniac, who blackmails people that he only would let them deal with the problem if they voluntarily enslave themselves to him.
So in the end it renders Xi (China) who is ultimately in charge and Putin (Russia) is enabling them to push and pull economic controls without being militarily subdued by crazy exceptionalists.
And i damn hope a lot Xi does have something to say. Because if he does not, then…. Getting rid of USA is not a real fundamental problem, it is more of “must be done in before” thing.
90% of communication between people is non-verbal. Body language, what the eyes and facial features say, what are the hands doing, etc. is required in any negotiation. A phone call is worthless in these areas.
Yes, I suspect that The Donald will try to dominate Putin from the very first, with the little “guiding” arm touches etc. that are the repertoire of this kind of thing.
And Putin will very adroitly being the recipient of any of these little dominance “coups.”
And will probably have a few “dominance” tricks up his sleeve.
Although, I doubt that he needs them.
He will be cordial and warm to Trump and will try to set him at ease.
He might just offer him a break from the tortures of being the US president.
Like, share some jokes about riding a bear or surviving the siege of Leningrad.
@Katherine “with the little ‘guiding’ arm touches etc. that are the repertoire of this kind of thing”
How true. You’ve reminded me of Chauncey Gardener’s handshake scene with the US President in the comedy film “Being There” where he (Gardener) appears to take charge by the mere placement of his remaining free hand. The President, aware of the seemingly harmless gesture, later that night suffers a bout of insomnia but doesn’t exactly know why.
Right on. And how you move. Sound of your voice (poor over phone).
I have to mostly agree with you here. I think the meeting will end as a “nothing-burger”. I’m also wondering about how the “handshake” will go. I’m sure Putin is aware of Trump’s handshake troubles. And saw the “Macron hand-wresting” match on the news.My only point would be I think we underestimate the level of destructive chaos the neo-cons can cause,especially in Syria. I think they have some really dirty tricks left to play there.Whether they start playing them “before” the meeting. To “poison the well” from the start. Or they wait until its over, to begin their new provocations isn’t clear yet.But since the US “never” keeps an agreement that doesn’t 100% benefit them. I don’t see how any agreement even if made between Putin and Trump would be worth anything at all. They will more than likely,as you said,just smile at each other. And say things about how nice it was to meet each other. And how they should do it again sometime.
“In fact, under Kennedy there were no real Neocons to tackle to begin with”.
The word “Neocon” had not been invented then, so to that extent the statement is true. But people of essentially the same views and intentions had founded the CIA and had begun their foul career of subversion, revolution, assassination and bribery. I think it very likely that the CIA, perhaps in league with others, conspired to murder President Kennedy – and perhaps his brother Robert.
They were just known in the past as “hawks”. Since the late 1970’s there started to be a regular neo-con movement. Slowly they grew into power. And since the 1990’s that group has gained the “lion’s share” of power in the US. Until recently mostly working with the Republicans to control their policies. But over the last years they have gained power in the Democrat Party as well. A common theme that runs through the neo-con movement is the numbers of them from Jewish pro-zionist backgrounds.I haven’t down an actual count. But probably 3 out of 4 neo-con’s you see regularly speaking for them have Jewish backgrounds. And all seem to support Israel. Which is the main reason they have been able to get so much influence lately in the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party has been for years the main party Jewish voters and contributors have supported.And were in bed with the Israel Lobby even more than the Republicans. So they have become an easy target for the neo-cons to control.They gained power in that party quicker than they were able to with the Republicans.So now they mostly control both the major US political parties.
Actually, the real watershed event which created the neocon movement, as we know it today, was the Six Day War. The neocons are especially dangerous relative to other imperialist war-mongering factions since they have no real allegiance to the United States and no particular concern over its ultimate fate.
I was going to suggest that this viewpoint is unique, but on the other hand this may apply to other partisan nationalists such as Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski was an old-line Polish nationalist conservative, not a neocon, but perhaps he also had little concern regarding the fate of the US as long as USSR/RF got taken down.
Indeed the Kennedy JCOS were psychopaths as well. Listening to the JFK recordings are insightful, in many meetings JFK would push for a solid non-confrontational solution and all would agree, then when he left the room, the generals would bash him and ‘policy’. In the recording below one example, keep in mind after JFK leaves the room, RFK is still there hearing Gen Shoup’s real thoughts (‘we’re screwed, screwed, screwed’), then most likely shared with his brother later. Operation Northwoods was conceived by Gen Lenmeister in JFK’s JCOS which is the precursor to the Neocons 9-11, so you are correct, they think/thought alike.
One must wonder when Trump leaves the room, what is the JCOS are saying about him and policy ? Although honestly I have a real hard time imagining Trump in these meetings at all, does he even set policy ?
Re Youtube link and audio:
Remarkable. I didn’t know that such a recording existed.
Shoup wanted boots on the ground in Cuba.
Not just deterring a Soviet force there.
Not getting out of the standoff in some peaceful way.
As Kennedy ultimately l managed to do with the Turkish missiles offer.
Offering something worthwhile in return for what he wanted.
Which was to reduce tensions, not blow up Cuba, and the world.
Our current band of neocon crazies are the contemporary Shoups, who can’t stand to “live with” any other power. Can’t stand any other power getting something worthwhile (i.e., “balance”).
No, it has to be all our way, forever.
Now, instead “Alamo Texans” it is “DC Zionists” having this ongoing geopolitical tantrum.
Russia was receiving sugar shipments from Cuba, using a leased British freighter S S Streatham Hill, when delayed for a repair, it was discovered on August 22, 1962 that the CIA had 14000 bags of sugar in the hold contaminated with an emetic. Kaysen, a JFK security officer discovered the ploy, and advised JFK who flew into a rage. JFK ordered McCone (CIA Director post Dulles) to stop the contaminated sugar from reaching Russia at all costs. An adult may have gotten very sick, but a child may have been killed consuming it. (Ref. Brothers -Talbot). False flag ? Or just more work of psychopaths ?
Robert Kennedy’s books, “The Enemy Within”, and of course “Thirteen Days”, for a snapshot what this administration faced.
Thank you for your insights, thoughts and analysis.
I am afraid, that on this G20 meeting some high up politician might be assassinated by a rogue US agency, setting up a motion, that would lead to events.
Historical scripture, actual events, logical thinking, whistle blowers and actual behavior pattern of politics, police, and insiders in DE, make me be very afraid.
I am off this week on purpose, will arrange the last things in preparation. I am afraid.
I do hope I am wrong, but this G20, I feel very very bad.
Thank you for reading. All the best.
I sincerely hope VVP has his bodyguard maxed out and highest alert status.,.that he is constantly protected and secure(sleeping over night in an Armatatank equivalent metaphorically..)…and has all the coded instructions ready to be confirmed and protocols enacted for any eventually including a “chocolate cake “moment and beware of the polonium…….
I hope you don’t think at that seriously, after all, this meeting will take place in Hamburg, Germany. That would be the end of Merkel political career and not only that, the damage would be too catastrophic, nobody wants such a scenario. Can you imagine how many police, military and secret services are already there ? Even a single flea is monitored.
when visiting cameron (UK) some years ago, Mr Putin came with his own chef, food and even water.
Merkel is not running the show.
She is a valuable talking head, highly valuable, indeed. But not more.
She is expendable, if the overall balance would be profiting.
Remember, her own secret service spies at her for the nenefit of USA, and she knows it and she does nothing.
Merkel may be all against it, but if the order comes German Secret Service would not even bother to inform her, less so ask her permissions
Well Saker you are truly an optimist. The theater has gotten so bizarre I don’t even bother to check in. Putin has access to many of the dark secrets of the ZioAnglo [hope you don’t mind me putting the tail in front of the dog] regime–so why not just destroy them with disclosure [9/11, etc.]? It’s a poker game–with rules of engagement that you and I are not proxy to. Ultimately, war is against the world citizen–used to suck resources out of the community–to keep the proletariats in line. The evolution will not take place in the board room or the battle field–it will take place in the hearts of the people. Either the spirit steps beyond the constraints of the ego–or the it ends with another Big Bang. Time to let go of the rope and move to a completely different model. As Sting once opined, “sooner or later, be what you come here for”.
Well said Gary. The political elites play their games totally oblivious of people and humanity and if colossal carnage is the result, so what? Just another jolly war…
By the way, “Time to let go of the rope…” could well be replaced by: “Time to let go of hope”. Hope is something the weak clings to even when the road signs clearly indicate the way to doom. Everyone (perhaps with the exception of the puppet masters) had hopes of peace prior to the great carnages of the 20th Century. Did hope save the world from that insanity? Only popular action now (while still possible) can avert the gradual march to Armageddon. Wars provide the lifeblood of capitalism.
“Putin has access to many of the dark secrets of the ZioAnglo [hope you don’t mind me putting the tail in front of the dog] regime–so why not just destroy them with disclosure [9/11, etc.]?”
That’s pretty much what RT is for (and its new spinoff InThe NOW). Responsibility for properly investigating current events lies with particular reporters and researchers, and how well they can rationally defend their claims. Putin has responsibility for very different affairs: the safety, spirit, and prosperity of the Russian state.
I agree with what Larchmonter445 wrote a little ways above: Putin’s leadership is obvious from his strategic successes. He doesn’t need to start taking on the responsibilities of reporters as well. Actions speak louder than words
This is a very pessimistic but equally realistic assessment.
For a while I was going to admonish the Saker for demeaning the competence and maturity of the major players within the Trump Administration; but then he corrected himself toward the end of his analysis, when he acknowledged that the “Israelis” were running the White House.
After the disaster that was the Wisconsin primary in the Spring of 2016, Trump had to make his deal with the devil in order to salvage his candidacy. The Jews have had him exactly where they wanted him since then. His son-in-law is just their interlocutor.
It is not unusual for the Presidents of the United States to make such a deal. Several presidents from Truman to Obama have briefly nurtured dreams of independence from Zionist controls during their terms in office. All -with the exception of Kennedy- eventually fell back in line.
I believe that it is too early for the “Zionist Nation” to give Trump an outline of “the deal” that he could offer Putin. Putin is not “winning” the struggle for who shapes the next “new world order”; but he’s not “losing” it either.
However, Trump is quite disarming, affable and charming at his best. He might be able to open lines of discussion with Putin, that may give them an insight to how much pain he is willing to take and the areas of interest where his ultimate demise might take some consolation.
“After the disaster that was the Wisconsin primary in the Spring of 2016, Trump had to make his deal with the devil in order to salvage his candidacy. ”
Can you expand on that?
Leading up to the Wisconsin primary, Trump was still facing a strong establishment threat to his candidacy. The field of “midgets” had been whittled down to Ted Cruz and the Ohio holdout John Kasich. Marco Rubio had just been eliminated.
“Never Trumpers” and Ted Cruz supporters turned out a very well-researched dossier on Trump’s “macho-stud” past. Videos and testimonies were spread across the country, which presented Trump as a boorish and vulgar man, who should be regarded with horror and disgust by all women and by all men, who considered themselves to be “gentlemen”. Trump had become “radioactive”. He was condemned by the state’s Republican governor and senator, and especially by Wisconsin Republican congressman, Paul Ryan, who is Speaker of the House. Trump was also ridiculed as an “amateur”, who was running a campaign without a staff of advisers and an army of pollsters and “front men”, which have become standard for every political campaign since John F. Kennedy. And worst: he would take down any politician that supported him. MSNBC’s Mika and Joe switched from being fawning admirers to becoming some of his most vicious critics.
Well, the propaganda and media assault worked. He was handily beaten by Cruz at the polls and barely edged out Kasich. Trump was finished!! But then Ivanka Trump persuaded her dad that her husband Jared could help. Jared Kushner had no relevant experience nor accomplishments of note; but he had important connections.
Within 2 weeks’ time, major Zionist organizations began to give Trump political receptions (called fund-raisers when they are arranged for politicians, who need to raise money) where he emphasized his business record, his understanding of the economy, and his response to major issues affecting foreign policy. These presentations were carefully prepared. And within them, was contained a wholehearted support for Israel (which he was not mentioning at his “America First” rallies). Several noteworthy members of government, banking, and industry ( not all Jewish) came to his defense.
Also: at the same time, and extremely important to the repair of his public image, leading evangelists (for whom the Jewish State of Israel and the role of the Jews as “G-d’s” Chosen People, are essential to their theology) came out and defended him.
And then, document dumps trashing Clinton become mainstream news.
At the next run of primaries, Trump nearly swept them all. (Native son Kasich narrowly won the primary in Ohio.) I believe that he won every primary after that.
One of the best, and funniest, pieces on Trump and his affair with America that I have read is here:
Sounds like when Trueman was losing and was given 2 million in a suitcase. In return the tribe got israel.
why is everyone seemingly ignoring the kissinger visit to putin
a few days back?
is it of no consequence,
or do people not know what to say about it?
It was a desperate attempt to get Putin to talk to Trump.
Putin wants or needs nothing from Trump.
Trump needs a ‘show’ that he can star in.
Some sane people who don’t know that Kissinger himself is no more than a courier think this will defuse Russia and allow the Hegemon to gain some advantage.
It all doesn’t matter. Trump can only posture. They’ll kill him if he befriends Putin and walks from Ukraine.
The cards are on the table, face up. There are no mysteries.
Trump wants and needs help in North Korea. Putin has said he has a plan, Xi has some ideas, and the US has to back off joint exercises and deactivate THAAD on the Peninsula.
The crux is on Trump. Putin has quietly been working on North Korea for almost three years. I wrote about it in Double Helix and predicted a Russian move to bring Kim in from the cold.
Ukraine is going to burn up and no one can put the fire out. It’s an existential threat to Russia. Ergo, Trump can do nothing but leave it if he dares.
Syria is typical of US neocons. They prefer total chaos be left behind than admit they lost another one. Well, Putin is not going to let them f*ck it over.
He has his military, Turkey’s military, Iran’s militias, Quds Force and Hezbollah, and he can bring in Kadyrov’s battalions. The US and the Kurds-SDF will leave at a high rate of speed. US on the ground, with bases, requires air superiority. That cannot happen in Syria.
So, what has Trump. I look at his cards and he doesn’t hold a single pair.
And, his intention is to destroy Russia’s gas market in Germany and EU.
Imagine trying to deal with Putin with all this face up on the table.
The facts are the facts. Putin is master of the facts.
Trump—not so much.
However special out of schedule event was organized for Kissinger
No, it is not like Putin did not care
However could Kissinger find anything of value in his pockets is unknown…
There only is to be one question answered maybe…..that usa recognises Crimea is now part of Russian Federation….then most of those other castles in the air by Nato,eu, and everyone else Merkel and stooges, Australia Canada etc……will crumble to dust.
And finish of the MH17 conspiracies.Then leave usa to deal with its own demons.
Maybe it is time for Russia to issue some ultimatums rather than general warnings in diplomatic nicety language that have been around the last week or so.Put usa on the spot…..
I also do not expect much from this side meeting at the G20. However, I will be pleased even if the meeting is little more than a get-acquainted chat. If the two presidents part without shouting, I will consider it a success. Relations are so low, now, that a civil meeting with not much said would be an improvement.
While not disagreeing with your assessment (to borrow that now spoilt word, “we assess”), I think that Trump and Putin may have some personal connection, laugh a little, tell some stories, and that Trump may listen and learn a thing or two from Putin if they manage some unscripted time on the side. Trump does not want nuclear war, and is largely ignorant of context and history. Who knows, he may listen to Putin and be reconfirmed to resist the idiots around him.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts maintains the Russians are still making stupid mistakes regarding Anglo-American intentions in the Middle East:
I like Roberts but he has consistently mis-read Russia’s grasp of the situation. He has been forecasting doom for perhaps a couple of years now, based on his perception that Russia lacks either the acumen to perceive its true situation, or the assertiveness to better it.
And yet here we are, and Russia’s position in the Great Game is improved by several orders of magnitude over that of, say 2-3 years ago, Roberts appears never to notice this – and I find this a shame because I have total respect for his sincerity.
Its a western thing, driven by sports, clear field s of play, rules.
Winner is decided when time on clock runs out.
I like PCRs comments but he hasn’t played bloodsport.
I agree with Saker that nothing will come from the meeting. All we can hope is that they will be civil to one another.
I never had much faith in Trump – the only positive thing about him is that he is shining a big flash light on to the way USA politics works (or doesn’t work)
All the nonsense they used to spout about values and democracy is shown to all as a sham.
Obama could hide behind pretty speeches and a nice smile while bombing seven countries- Trump shows USA warmongering for what it is. He can’t dress it up.
It weakens the Americans in Europe which is a good thing – as only the UK want to follow Trump.
Russia have more to gain from better relations with Europe.
The Russians are letting the US paint themselves into a corner in Syria. That happened around al Tanf, where the US invaders had to retreat back whence they came. Now the US military is building an airstrip in Kobane, north Syria. A load of US stenographers were air-lifted in to pick up the US military position.
One of the journalistic jeniuses, Michael Gordon, of Judith Miller / Iraq WMD fame, gave away some interesting details about the Kurds.
“The Tabqa operation was proposed in mid-March to Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, the commander of the American-led task force that is battling the Islamic State, by the top commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces, the combination of Syrian Kurds and Arab fighters who would provide the ground troops for the battle. It was approved without a single White House meeting. Just one week later, hundreds of Arab and Kurdish fighters, including many who had never flown before, were airlifted on American helicopters and Osprey planes to the southern banks of Lake Assad, across from Tabqa. Barges ferried their vehicles across the azure water while another group of Syrian fighters to the east hopped from island to island as they zipped along the Euphrates on American fast boats.”
So the vaunted prowess of the Kurds arises from total US military support, air and ground. Once that goes, they will be faced with reality.
How will the US base at Kobane fare? Kurdistan will be surrounded by implacable oppenents – Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran. In a relatively short time, the Syrians and Turks will have their own S-400 systems which will seal off their air space. The Iranians won’t give overflight access. Will the Iraqis? Just how will the US make use of the base? Just one S-400 up the tailpipe of any US aircraft illegally entering Kurdistan will mark the end of US airpower monopoly. Russia just has to sit back and wait.
US military strategy, projected onto NATO, ever since the end of the Cold War, has been to gain a first nuclear strike capability over Russia. The US will not attack Russia, or even provoke a direct confrontation, without that capability. If the US intended to attack Russia irrespective, they would have done it already, they would not wait & watch Russia become militarily more powerful – & more capable after the Syria intervention, by the day. That is not what we have to fear. I personally feel that what is actually coming is a situation in which the US does not have a choice, but to go on the attack, because the Anglo-American establishment perceives its domination over the Middle East to be under mortal threat. The petrodollar will collapse possibly without the loss of position in the Mid East, which will mean the end of the empire. But with Russia assisting Syria in regaining its sovereignty in full, with a land link direct from Iran, through Iraq to Syria & southern Lebanon, the entire balance of power in the region is about to shift dramatically. Hence the crisis between Qater & Saudi. So I wouldn’t expect much from Trump & Putin meeting either, for the worse or the better, rather I would watch the situation with the petrodollar because if anything causes a world war, it will be the imminent collapse of US paper.
I concur: “the Anglo-American establishment perceives its domination over the Middle East to be under mortal threat.” That leaves only one path: more disaster. Yes indeed, “the crisis between Qater & Saudi.” Qatar appears to be the current icon for realism in geopolitics: it’s about money and power. Muslim Brotherhood history notwithstanding. When the Russians facilitated the revival of the SAA/Assad Qatar threw in its keffiyeh and the shit hit the fan. Film at 11. Now, about that gas pipeline to be shared/developed with Iran, perhaps mediated by . . . China. OMG!
8 reasons for Qatar and Saudi Arabia’s dispute
June 20, 2017
“Chinese influence runs deep in Asia. Originating with Ghengis Khan, spread throughout the mongol empire, the Chinese way of win-win tributary relationships, has spread from the Baltic to the Bering, from the Arctic to the Indian Ocean, and across the Atlantic to the Caribbean. Diametrically different from the winner take all policies of the European powers and their successors, Chinese pragmatism, confounds Anglo-Zionist observers. The Chinese are back. Their navy is conducting exercises in the Straits of Hormuz now. Their goods can be found in every nation on earth. Their nationals ditto. It is the Chinese who found a way to implement the Iran-Pakistan freedom pipeline regardless of stringent US objections. It is they who built a gas pipeline from Gwadar Port to western china across the hindu-kush, ostensibly for LNG, routing it within 20 miles of the Iranian border where the Iranian portion terminates, thence completing the missing link surreptitiously, bringing Iranian gas to market after nearly 30 years of US obstructionism.
It is probably the Chinese who suggested Iran offer Qatar access to Asian markets and the EU via Iranian pipelines after clearing it with Gazprom. It is probably the Chinese who suggested offering some of this gas to Turkey to power it’s economy. No less an observer than Pepe Escobar hints at this in his latest report.
7. Recently, information has leaked regarding a pipeline deal offered by Iran to Qatar, permitting Qatar to market it’s gas to Pakistan/India and to the EU via Iranian pipelines. Such an arrangement, should it exist, would leave KSA and the UAE out in the cold. Most likely Turkey has been offered some of this gas to run it’s economy.
The row between Qatar and KSA/GCC is most likely due to capitulation by Qatar in their contest with Iran/Iraq/Syria for a route to market their petroleum products.
Capitulation to Iran’s offer of transit via Iranian pipelines to both asia and europe.
The offer to market to the EU has the blessing of Gazprom/Russia.
This offer is a pragmatic means to divide the forces funding ISIS and the other terrorist groups.
If this is indeed the case, we should see disarray among the various terrorist groups with those sponsored by KSA fighting the others, and the groups formerly sponsored by Qatar suddenly left in the lurch.
Has Washington Lost the Middle East After Qatar?
F. William Engdahl
There is a hidden thin red thread connecting the recent US Congress’ sanctions against Iran and now the Russian Federation, with the decision of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchies to sanction Qatar. That red thread has nothing to do with a fight against terrorism and everything to do with who will control the largest natural gas reserves in the world as well as who will dominate the world market for that gas.
As far as ” the imminent collapse of US paper” goes, that’s for a few years down the road. The latest report from the IMF showed that central banks $US reserves total ~64.5% of their total reserves (http://data.imf.org/?sk=E6A5F467-C14B-4AA8-9F6D-5A09EC4E62A4). Nothing imminent happening there.
Time is on Russia’s side, and aside from some early naivete about US trustworthiness, Putin et al have used their time well.
Trump is seriously underrated as a survivor. The Saker, like many before him, misunderstood Trump completely.
Trump is a very fast reader of character:
“He had seen the amoral hunger of more men during this breakthrough deal [the Commodore] than most people saw in a lifetime. Barrett: “Trump,” 1992, p. 146
“Being in the orbit of superstars [at Studio 54] was no small matter for Donald because his imagination was, and remains, decidedly cinematic. Before heading off to college he was fairly certain he wanted a career in show business, not real estate. He said he planned to attend the University of Southern California to study filmmaking and had already produced a Broadway show called Paris Is Out.
Just before he left for Fordham, Donald helped a Manhattan entertainment lawyer named Egon Dumler find an apartment and Donald said that the attorney, impressed with the depth of his real estate know-how, convinced him that his talents would be wasted on the West Coast. Donald said the lawyer told him that real estate, not movies, was his calling.
“I thought about it and then I said: ‘You know what I’ll do? I am going to go into real estate and I’m going to put show business into real estate, ‘ ” Donald recalled. ‘” ‘I’ll have the best of all worlds.’ ” O’Neil: “Trump Nation,” p. 53
“Gossip columnist Susan Mulcahy told Vanity Fair. “I wrote about him a certain amount, but I actually would sit back and be amazed at how often people would write about him in a completely gullible way. He was a great character, but he was full of crap 90% of the time.”
Donald seconded Mulcahy’s motion: “I agree with her 100%,” he told Vanity Fair. In fact working the rumor mill is so important to Donald that he’ll even cut into his busy work schedule to make sure he’s helping turn the wheels.” p. 229
“He doesn’t retreat. He doesn’t beg. He is very aggressive and engages his adversaries,” said Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, an associate dean of the Yale School of Management, who is a frequent critic of Donald’s business dealings but respects the tycoon’s durability. “He doesn’t acknowledge defeat in what would normally be considered a defeat . . . . There is always a new quest that gets people excited about the future.” p.231
TIME: “Those who dislike me don’t know me, and have never met me. My guess is that they dislike me out of jealousy.”
“I love to have enemies. I fight my enemies. I like beating my enemies to the ground.” 1989
. . .
“I love to remember my enemies and I love to get my enemies whenever I can, absolutely. … So many people that were enemies of mine were wiped out, and I do not really care about that.” (Your World with Neil Cavuto, 7 June 2002)
Trump always throws his loyalists under the bus when the going gets tough for him. When it’s him or them, it’s always them. Principles mean nothing.
That’s why he rose to the top in the US: he represents the true values and nature of (especially) US culture. He is the American idol in all its brain dead superficiality. The paradox, of course, is that, so far, what he is enables him to survive the worst moves he has made in his life. He may survive, but he’s just the man of the hour of the demise of the empire.
Just how “imminent” the potential collapse of the US dollar may – or may not – be, is a complete unknown. The only factor that does seem certain is that USD will collapse at some point, as the weight of the debt accrued, that officially acknowledged & that which is “toxic” & hidden, is so great that the US can not withstand it for much longer. I personally do not trust the IMF as a reliable source of data, they have been caught out so many times in the past in various cover ups, obfuscations & the like, that even supposedly banal financial & economic data is subject to manipulation. The US can not withstand the debt, & it can not write it off either for many reasons, the system itself would simply implode if they attempted to do that. This is why, among other reasons, the Kremlin, Putin & co. are so very careful & cautious to avoid responding to provocation – even when brazenly challenged. As you said, time is on Russia’s side, but Putin has occasionally commented on the potential for a USD prompted financial catastrophe to strike the world at any given moment. Hence the urgency with which Russia & China buy gold & prepare for a renewed gold standard, there has to be an alternative financial architecture already established if the world is to avoid a huge financial disaster that could be invoked by the US dollar’s collapse. This really is at the heart of everything where the Anglo-American empire is concerned, why Syria & the outcome of the war of aggression waged against the Syrian Arab Republic is of such monumental importance. The US dollar is not printed out of thin air as some commentators & analysts repeatedly claim, for years now, there is a standard of sorts, if there was not just one instance of printing large quantities of dollars would cause it depreciate to near zero value. International trade in essential commodities is that standard, the Middle East is essential because oil & gas serve as a collateral base, the control over the global economy which the US effectively inherited from the combined legacy of British, French, Dutch, Spanish & Portuguese imperial conquest is coming to an end as a consequence of multipolarity. The provocateurs who claim that Putin is an “agent” of the “banksters” & is really in bed with Wall St, the Zionist network, City of London etc. overlook this & much else. As I have said before, the threat of a world war – in my humble opinion – really lies here, in the prospect of a panicked Washington & Pentagon lashing out at the last minute when they see that “imminent” USD collapse on the horizon. That, to my mind, is the most dangerous component of all of this, not NATO on Russia’s borders, as hazardous as that may be & most certainly is, what would actually invoke the US to actually launch some kind assault on Russia or against Russian forces somewhere like Syria I believe will be the dollar factor. Could be wrong, & we will not have to wait long to see, as events are moving so fact that it will be apparent very soon whether direct military confrontation between the US & Russia will happen. I’m not sure whether it will or will not, but the prospect is unfortunately very very real & I think for the reasons I have laid out.
Your reasoning makes sense and there is no denying that energy is the collateral for the current reserve currency, the $US. That is why the global monetary system is tottering. Without a governor, such as an adhered-to gold standard, there is no limit to the amount of fiat–non-collateralized currency–that can be created. The petrodollar was a decent substitute so long as the energy was traded in $US and the non-redeemable-in gold surplus dollars were redeemed for US debt. Not only is that trade ending, e.g.witness Russian, Qatar and Chinese energy payment transactions in their own currencies, among others, but the commodity itself is subject to price fluctuations that now roil the monetary system. See also: How Quickly Will The Price Of Oil Climb With The Death Of The Petrodollar? @ http://tinyurl.com/y9szybhb I suggest that a return to the gold standard as previously conducted, is unlikely.
The QE in the current BIS universe is all debt that is uncollateralized. As more and more of it is being created the currency it’s denominated in continually loses purchasing power and the inability to service the increasing amounts of debt requires more QE. A vicious cycle. Now add a declining oil price to the mix. BTW, this is what makes the Qatar situation so important: the amount of energy exported by Qatar is the equivalent of millions of barrels of oil per day.
Sovereign debt used to be the most sought-after form of collateral because it was essentially deemed risk-free. But that concept arose in a world in which sovereign debt was understood to be redeemable by gold. Gold functioning as the governor on the creation of fiat limited the creation of fiat, by definition. This created cycles of deflation that moved from one country to another as they traded with one another and their gold reserves declined or increased depending on where each one was in the trading cycle. It’s a type of zero-sum game between countries where ultimately the imbalances were cured by oligarchy-inspired austerity measures that inevitably threw working people out of work and lowered their incomes and their ability to purchase goods. (See Hedges on oligarchies here: “Pathology of the super rich” @ http://tinyurl.com/yazcqofm ) The whippings continued until morale and gold reserves improved. (It is often recognized that you can’t run a gold standard in a democracy.) Note that in the EU no amount of austerity has provided any relief to the recession taking place there, which recession has resulted in massive unemployment and massive unserviceable debt. It’s all Greek to the ECB. (:>) Mark Blyth covers this exceptionally well in his book Austerity.
Now we have a “dirty” float: the reserve currency is unredeemable for anything but a commodity that has declined dramatically in value. Still, central banks hold the vast majority of their reserves in $US. You and I may dislike the US-controlled IMF policies, but throwing the data out with that bathwater is a risky flirtation with the bias triplets: confirmation, recency and pattern seeking. Moreover, with from $US1.5-3 trillion in currency traded per day, and some ~42% of that done in $US, it doesn’t auger for a sudden demise of the current $US reserve currency.
Speaking of wealth and monetary systems, note that the Chinese Belt and Road system in which they are inviting the rest of the world to invest appears to be a form of wealth creation that fits no current monetary paradigm. Still, China is the world’s biggest gold producer and as you note, China and Russia continue to add to their gold reserves. Most of the debt that burdens China has been created internally. The Chinese appear to be thinking about something utterly–dare I say it– foreign to the rest of us. On the topic of wealth creation, consider: Deflation In The Casino: Central Banks Play Their Last Chips To No Avail @ http://tinyurl.com/ycl4h9ez
Your assessment is excellent, I can nor but not agree – in the main – some minor details I would dispute but it’s neither here nor there. The IMF date reliability factor for example, that is an extremely complex issue, the data obviously has to represent something that is partially reliable, or the system would collapse completely. It is not that the data is false, as such, say like a particular country’s GDP, but it will be manipulative because it will not represent all the relevant facts & it will most likely cover for something else. Take say before the 2007/08 crash, there was no mention of the multi-trillion dollar “toxic” debt/asset bubble anywhere, & then all of a sudden it was exposed. That’s my point about the IMF, as you say, has nothing to do with whether you & I like it or not, a competent analysis does not feature our personal preferences. IMF data is geared toward preservation of the USD global reserve currency system, take for example date that accounts for dollars in circulation, or printed – does that include counterfeit paper? Or the solvency of the banks & their balance sheets generally, where is the laundered drug money in their Enron accounting schematic? These are trivial points really, it is just what immediately comes to mind, you will understand the point I’m making. The point being that – it is my view at least – that US foreign policy at the moment, especially in reference to the Middle East/Russia/China, is influenced primarily now by the threat that is posed to the dollar system. If the demand for USD on the currency markets is degraded, even marginally, it could cause a collapse, because essentially what causes a currency collapse? It’s rapid devaluation. What causes that? Mass scale dumping of the currency. Devils advocate may retort – under what circumstances would a mass dump of USD possibly occur? Well, a major crisis in the Middle East for one – not the kind of crises we have witnessed to date, but say a coup in Riyadh not instigated by Washington. And that could be around the corner. As for the gold reserve possibility, well, both Russia & China are preparing to launch gold backed currencies, but the system that they are going to devise will be far more complex & elaborate than it was under Bretton Woods, as it will have to allow for more flexibility because of the scale of trade that Russia & China will be conducting in the future. Gold will be one element in valuation, but the “basket of currencies” principle that both China & Russia advocate indicate that they will be looking at some form of multiple peg arrangement will preferred currencies of allied states within the SCO & EEU. I’m trying to avoid getting technical here, as it probably wouldn’t mean anything to anyone who is not a finance buff, but the main issue is that Russia & China will want a currency system that is backed by something real, & not the current system of market designated value in accordance with the demand for a particular currency & its placement in the treasuries of various countries & reserves of various funds. Getting back to the main issue, Trump & Putin, this is why at this point it is irrelevant what they do or do not say to one another, because the situation has gone too far for it to matter. It is clear that Trump will merely act in accordance to wherever the pressure is greatest, & I would say it will be the demands of the most influential segments of finance capital.
“It will yield the fact that the two leaders spoke to each other, face to face.” And shook hand, on camera, for the MSM show nobody watches anymore. The regular farce of the past 16 years. Nothing new there.
And yet… I, personally, cannot envision any worst case scenario, such as the launching of a couple of nukes from either side. Too many US “thinking heads” (who no longer have the brain they were born with but still function with the remnants thereof, fluoride notwithstanding), are painfully aware that Russian defensive weapons are way superior to anything offensive the US have come up with in the past 10 years to 15 years, and nobody knows exactly how disabling Iranian superior technology might really be: highjacking and capturing US drones from a distance requires some serious technological know-how. Israel sure took notice, hence its pushing the US into an all-out war but Israel doesn’t own the real military yet. It just owns government. Not enough to wage a proxy war by using the US career military. Works on mercenaries and Langley. Not necessarily on West Point.
Those career military thinking heads have sampled some of what Iran and Russia can do and it was very embarrassing for the US, and… there is that little matter of China, openly backing both Russia and Iran, and with a very, very solid infantry (which the US very much gave up on when shooting soldiers with every toxin available to science-without-conscience, while feeding them exclusively GMOs). Wars might be started from the sky but they must be finished on foot to be won. The US can’t do that: no more infantry worth mentioning and no air force with functioning aircrafts. Add to that those enormously obsolete, sitting ducks, floating islands called “aircraft carriers” holding 70 to 80 planes and waiting to be struck from God knows where and… this is it!
All in all, huffing and puffing is all the US have left and they aren’t even good at THAT any longer: Nikki Haley is a joke recognized as such the world over as such.
Look, even that Destroyer hit by a cargo ship described here https://livesid.com/2017/06/17/cargo-ship-hits-us-navy-destroyer/ has been analyzed and dissected by a navy pro and… it doesn’t look good for the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRUMtopcNk4 That guy spells out EVERYWHERE the destroyer screwed up. Insurance companies will love denying that claim!
Couple that with the moribund dollar being rejected worldwide one day at a time, by one country at a time, and, pretty soon, the industrial military complex will be starving to death. Scaredy-cat taxpayers could have sped up its demise for years but they are still on the sidelines, afraid of Mr. IRS, recently weaponized by government. Funny! It should tell us how afraid of taxpayers government has become…
I know you have children and you are worried about them. Hard to take a step back… but try it, Saker. And before you know it, George Carlin will make an awful lot of sense to you.
The US are ready to wave the white flag. The US are posturing to do it without losing face, without having to admit it and while keeping a semblance of strength. Now, we’ll start to see real diplomacy: how to retreat while still looking good. That’s all the US have left. Especially now that Germany is no longer playing…
Scarry thing is, iirc, loacal commanders are authorised to use tactical nukes.
Who’s bright idea was that.
I would be keen to hear your views on the future of Polish sovereignty and what political path you would suggest for central / Eastern Europe in general vis-a-vis Russia, Saker.
It’s not the first time you express negative views towards the Three Seas initiative and, overall, you seem very dismissive of an assertive stance for the Visegrad Group nations (poodle barking at bear etc.).
I would posit that Poland does have a difficult modern relationship with Eastern neighbours and that, apologies for WW2 events notwithstanding, there hasn’t been anything close to an outstretched hand being offered to them from Russia. Comments like the ones coming from yourself do nothing to build a constructive relationship which, I would argue, both states would benefit from. There is a fair degree of disdain towards not just Polish politicians, but the nation itself too.
I sincerely wonder if that is indicative of a wider Russian opinion or whether that is merely a summary of your own hangups which you so unsuccessfully conceal.
From my time spent in Poland I can assert that there is a great sentiment towards Russians, and other great Slavic nations that permeates. Is there a view in Russia that those nations should be in some way subservient to Russia for some reason, and this would be why you see the Three Seas plan as unhelpful?
From my knowledge of Poland, and Polish history, I surmise that a level footing in relations with its great neighbour are a must (due to historical, possibly misguided, ego and painful, very real, historical experience) and that good relationship can only be established once mutual respect is established. The comments you tend to make suggest that Russia does not expect, or desire, such a relationship to exist, in lieu of a patron-client bond.
I completely agree that the Smolensk air crash investigation is a farce and that much of the political class in Poland is laughable. But strengthening of the Visegrad group, and establishing of a wider interest group (Three Seas) fulfills a critical political interest for the central / Eastern European Slavic nation vis-a-vis a major power such as Russia. That does seem to touch a nerve, however. Why?
Would you mind elaborating? Keen to hear your views. Thanks.
“Your own hangups which you so unsuccessfully conceal (..) That does seem to touch a nerve, however. Why?”
Actually, this is neither a case of hangup nor a touched nerve. I have always said that I find Polish foreign policies stupid and self-defeating. The excuse that Poland is stuck between the two German and Russian big powers is silly, during much of its history Poland was bigger and more powerful than Germany (which, as such, did not even exist) or Russia. Besides, look at Kazakhstan under Nazarbaev which prospers because it is right between China and Russia. The Poles always committed the same mistakes: they “import” the help they think they need from outside because they profoundly feel that by themselves they can’t hack it. From the 14th century “importation” of Jews to try to kick-start the economy to the partition of Czechoslovakia with Hitler’s help (which earned Poland the characterization of “greedy hyena of Europe” by Churchill), the history of Poland is just a long series of devious and immoral plans ending up in disaster for Poland. You write that ” good relationship can only be established once mutual respect is established”. Tell me, what is there to respect in today’s Poland? Instead of becoming a truly independent nation the Poles chose to become Uncle Sam’s bitch (as shown by the words of the Polish foreign minister who said that Poland’s relationship with the USA was like “giving oral sex and receiving nothing in return”). That all began, of course, with the meeting between Karol Wojtyla (aka Pope John-Paul II) and CIA’s Vernon Walters in November 1981. What is there to respect here? I won’t even go into the role Poland played as a CIA torture center, to the current “war on statues” or the Polish role in the Ukrainian mess. I hope that this will change in the future, though I am not holding my breath, but so far I see nothing worthy of respect coming out of Poland, absolutely nothing. Do you?
Separate talk from action.
Talk so blustery
Action so benign
Maybe enough to placate even a mad dog?
With no help from others, and a small enough contingent to guarantee they lose, direct lines of accountability lead right to foggy bottom.
Trump hires a cabinet of goldmanites, then talks about a gold backed currency.
He does the sword dance circle jerk, then renegs on moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
I have no problem with him trying to wrestle back control slowly, and I don’t need him to take on every battle he promised–all in the first week. With the appearance of being a Goldman boy, he actually may get the chance to upend them, maybe sometime late in year 3. If he tried to take them on day 1, Pence would already be prez.
Dude is a street fighter. He prolly learned long ago to never fight the biggest kid on the first day. At least wait until he’s weak from a battle somewhere else.
I don’t think he cares if (to me) it looks like he sold out. I think he wants a legacy in the mind of the people. I suspect he has a plan to get there, and if appeasing mad dogs with meaningless missle strikes allows him to release a wholly incapable force that’s guaranteed to lose, then when it does, the dog looks pretty incompetent.
No one will easily convince me that al Tanf force ever had a chance to win. From the first I heard of al Tanf, that grouping seemed intentionally designed to fail.
One battle Trump has won and that is the Media and there fake news. If he can get them on board then the neocons would lose. I really do not think this will happen because Trump is one of them. The Church he belongs to believes that American must rule the world. If you do not believe me then review the tapes at his indoctrination near the beginning and you will hear one of the pastors come right out say it.
I too like to believe he is being crafty.
The Donald is still apparently enemy no 1 of the media (and unfortunately the alt-media) which tells me he hasn’t caved in to the neocons entirely.
By transferring military authority to the generals, hasn’t he cut the balls off the war mongers? And hasn’t he washed his hands of their filthy business?
The warning about the chemical attack does not compute.
What or who was the source of this story?
It makes sense to me only if it was spoiling someones operation.
Has he not exposed the mainstream media for what it is?
There is room for a champion to emerge.
The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a changin’.
I don’t see anything below about the “Russian Meddling” issue. This has become a world class obsession in our MSM and within both parties. What will Trump say to Putin?
Come to my hotel, I’ll show you a good time.
The show goes on for a while yet. The frustration and humiliation and hubris are multiplied many more times before the final screw snaps.
Russia will re enter Yemen and she will enter Ethiope/Somali, Egypt, Lybia.
A two state solution will be imposed.
I think it is dawning on Modi the Abraham-sprung (truly so or twistedly so, just for the sake of sectarian adherents amongst us) faiths are playing out Armageddon and being a typical neurotic sub-continental he won’t want Indra slighted so. Is not Indra’s day dark and terrible.?
The witches brew is only part way prepared.
Sanity is no defence.
“Russia will re enter Yemen and she will enter Ethiope/Somali, Egypt, Lybia.”
When did Russia ever enter any of those countries in the first place? Dates? Exact location? Circumstances? Surely, CIA, FBI, NSA, USAID, UN noticed and recorded it. Where is any reporting on any of those agencies’ website that Russia had “entered”?
MSM would have been delighted to report on that. Articles? Links?
Dear Christine, Yemen’s ports are Soviet…and as Russia is the legal successor it is a fact that Yemen’s ports are Russian. So yes Christine Russia is about to re enter Yemen…and Russia is about to re enter Egypt because the Russians were there and then ousted in the late 1950’s. lybua was a Soviet client state, as was Iraq until Saddam Husien siezed it with western aid in the 1970’s. Somalia/Ethiope have similar connections to Russia. Russia is the former Soviet Union. Russia assumed all external debts of the Soviet Union upon dissolution of said Union. All of these countries are under attack to prevent Russia from reclaiming her rightful possessions and thereby with achieve geostrategic parity with the West. With these assets back under her control and armed the West and all the Rest can be held at peace indefinitely down the barrel of a gun. OK.?
Assets ? Those states you mentioned, what would make them assets not liabilities?
On the subject of what the Russians can offer Trump.
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“In fact, under Kennedy there were no real Neocons to tackle to begin with.”
I think that at the time Kennedy was under enormous pressure from the joint chiefs of staff, especially Curtis Lemay, to launch an invasion of Cuba. While I don’t know if true, I have heard that his RFK, the presidents brother and attorney General at the time, thought the pressure was so intense he truly feared a military coup was possible.
I don’t know what pressure Khrushev was under from the Soviet military. At any rate, Trump simply does not have the fortitude of either of them, and he seems to think generals are super smart and will follow whatever advice they give him. So hopefully they are pretty smart.
Please watch “seven days in may” and see the wiki write up.
It’s based on a book written in 62 that jfk read. He was aware of the swamp around him.
“They hate Trump, of course, but they also own him. He can make fun of them in “tweets” on his free time, but in terms of his policies he does exactly what they want. And the very last thing they want is any kind of “detente” with Russia. At most, they will impeach Trump just to humiliate him, but that’s about it. They don’t even need to play their “Pence” card – Trump is what is colloquially known in US ghettos as their “punk-ass bitch”.
Saker, if Hillary had been elected we would not have had Megan Kelly interview Putin, we would not have Megan Kelly interview Alex Jones, we would not have diplomats going to Russia – we would not have Hillary and Putin meeting –
we would already have made the move to not only partition Syria but we might even be in WW3 now — so although I do agree with ‘Las Vegas Culture’ analysis – I think you’re being dismal for no positive outcome – we have to abide with what we’ve got – Trump has done a little bit of good inside the States (hasn’t he?) and I don’t agree with you that his image inside, will tank, if his image outside rises –
the people of the USA KNOW the real deal and are just as concerned as we are-
The fu**ing government is out of control and we all know it –
“…I think I can guess what the Americans want: a partition of Syria, if not de jure then de facto. I don’t think that this will work. For one thing, the Americans are (yet again) overlooking the fact that the main actor in Syria is not Russia but Iran and Iran has no reason whatsoever to agree to any such partition.
The main part of the world now is on the other side – me included – so here’s to American war –
I’m gettin’ out my white flag when the Russians land at my beach –
In business. ..nothing works without leverage. ….that is how DT tries to work.difficult to lever a solid rock firmly embedded in good mother russia…
Confucius say, “Longest journey starts with a single step.”
Ever since Nov 8, 2016 the Empire has done everything it possibly could to keep Trump from walking and talking to Putin.
Yet, within a few days, it is likely a step or two together will occur. It will be limited. It will not mean the uncomfortably awakening masses of Americans that lied to pollsters and sank Hitlery in the Fall of 2016 (Her Fall) will be able to rejoice and proclaim: “Trump and Putin have saved us! Now, halleluyah we can go back to a comfortable sleeping state and watch TV for another 3 generations!”
Would anyone who spends any time here want to do that in any case? If so, perhaps you’d like to give yourself a frontal lobotomy with a piano wire……….same result…….but much quicker…..
So, the cold shower that Saker offers in this article is beneficial. Hope can’t be killed (even his own….) in any case, since it runs through the human heart like a aorta, and before crossing a river deeper than 6 ft in winter without a brdge or flotation, to continue “a long journey” one were better sobered up and prepared with hard realities than pumped up with unrealistic, wishful thinking naivete.
Meanwhile, unlike 1963, I sense that the American people despite all their numerous problems, will continue their journey out of Empire, only recently begun, even if Trump dies in his first term. And one of their main jobs is to do what Mike Scanlan’s comment and link suggests that Putin will demand of Trump:
Clean up the big time Pedophiles, don’t just scare them by arresting hundreds of their mid-level minions,as Trump has begun to do. Don’t stop. Go all the way.
Meanwhile this overlaps with the greatest financial danger of all time. “Same old, same old.” is no longer possible, so we don’t have to be pessimistic about being bored to death, at least! Epic disaster or epic victory for humanity, including all Americans, are up for grabs.
Anybody with their head screwed on straight knows that without Russia blocking global enslavement to the Hegemon, Americans themselves would have almost no chance of doing what history now at least affords them an uphill battle to attempt: rid themselves of an evil ruling oligarchy which regards their lives and very souls as so much flushable toilet paper.
The most interesting and compelling issue that will dominate the Trump-Putin meeting is not Ukraine, Syria, the Middle East or any other geopolitical issue.
It’s how Trump will try to do his “I’m the Alpha Male” handshake on Putin.
It seems that other world leaders (even of nominal American allies like France and Canada) have been specifically been briefed that Trump attempts to assert his dominance over his counterparts through his handshake.
It is really quite comical that the Leader of the “Free” World is so insecure that he engages in such juvenile behavior.
The Trump handshake: how world leaders are fighting back
WHO IS THE ‘BIGGER’ MAN? TRUMP AND PUTIN HANDSHAKE WILL BRING ‘AN OLYMPIAN LEVEL OF MACHO POSTURING’
And safe to say, Donald Trump is definitely messing with the wrong man in the form of Vladimir Putin, who is a judoka.
It would be funny if Trump tries to grip fight Putin and Vlad administers a “Russian Arm Tie” on The Donald.
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All that VVP needs to do to defuse the ‘Alpha Male Handshake’ thing is to have one of those ‘Joy Buzzers’ in the palm of his hand. Can you imagine the look on Trump’s face? Priceless! A moment of levity, a few yuks, and that’s over with.
Or it could create an international incident leading to WWIII.
We live in dangerous times. I don’t see how Trump is going to do anything positive. His administration lacks competent people and is under siege by the political establishment. The U.S. is beset by many problems. Can it really go for four years without an effective response? I don’t see how, but then what happens instead?
Two other topics Putin and Trump could discuss are Afghanistan and NATO ABM bases. The Russians are seeking a settlement in Afghanistan. They might also want to discuss North Korea. They are also concerned about the NATO ABM/first strike bases along their border. This may be more important then the sanctions.
Kissenger has been acting as a go-between between Trump and the Russians. I am not sure how reassuring this is given Kissenger’s record. He quietly supported the invasion of Iraq.
Злой детский сад. Прекрасно писал это.
@ruca [trans]: “evil Kindergarten”. Well said [Saker].
Ruca does not use native Russian.
Maybe (s)he used Google Translate or something
In some ways, having Trump and Republicans in power is better than having the Democrats and Liberals because the former are the more *naked* face of Imperialist America and its predatory behavior around the world.
Indeed, the Democrats and Liberals like Barack Obama are *more* of a threat because they are more effective in disguising the nature of the American Empire behind feel-good propaganda images and slogans like “Hope and Change” or liberal multiculturalism.
When dealing with the American Empire, you have a “democratic” choice of dealing with:
1. A snake on in the open.
2. A snake hidden in the grass.
The American Liberal Establishment and media, which are currently agitating against Trump represent option number 2.
The Democrats are the Bolsheviks, the Politburo. They guarantee slow, steady, undetectable decline, devolution, decomposition, dementia, while the CNN news ticker always ready: “Never Before Has America Been So Wealthy!”.
But due to the fact that a sizeable portion of US voters had become allergic to Hillary’s grimaces and theatrics, Zion was forced to abandon her on the home stretch. What a bummer.
In comes Trump, who – trickster that he is – has transformed his corner of the swamp into a self-contained bubble with strict no alcohol, no drugs, no pedo rule.
Kosher as Trump may be, Zion is never going to forgive him for this outrageous display of choosener-than-thou attitude. Trump is marked for ritual take-down, but the rabbis have yet to decide on the exact kabbalistic protocol to be followed.
Remember the Weimar Republic? Zion Intel orchestrated street fights between fake lefties and faux right wingers. And what emerged from the alchemical egg? Zion sponsored Hitler and his National Socialists.
In other words: Enjoy the theater of the absurd presented to us by the President of the United States, Donald Trump, because what comes after him might very well be much, much worse.
Are we to hear Obama say: do you miss me yet?
The most dangerous politican in America. “Grand Inquisitor of the ongoing Deep State inquisition.”
Putin should beware! while he shake hands with the imbecile in the WH, this time, hundreds of cruise missiles are heading to Syria for the second attempt on the fake chem weapons issue.
Sergey Karaganov lays it on the line. The audio is bad, but the content makes up for it. Can anybody tell us how influential Karaganov is?
John Mearsheimer’s face is a delight to watch.
(I hope the link works!)
Yes – the link works ..and thank you so much for posting this!
Fascinating – and how refreshingly blunt he is.
But oh my my my, John Mearsheimer’s expressions could be sold to someone making an acid reflux medical documentary?!
It occurs to me that Anglo’s world narratives in all things have dominated for >a century, their ideologies in all spheres unchallenged for almost as long, and only very recently are they being forced to listen to other more valid views … and may yet be taught some “genetic re-programmed” humility.
Meanwhile, acid reflux medicants (or do I mean mendicants?!) could be useful ……
I particularly liked the “or else” at the end of Karaganov’s speech. It had me in stitches.
Prof Mearsheimer is one of the sane and, in my view, honest commentators. It is worth your while to listen to him as well. There is quite a lot on youtube regarding what he calls “offensive realism.”
If you are interested, Chas Freeman is also no dummy.
I know that people like Mearsheimer and Freeman have zero influence in the US. I wonder if Karaganov has influence in Russia. Or is Russia influencing Karaganov in the sense that it is not Putin’s Russia, but Russia’s Putin.
On a slightly tangential note: Judging from today’s press conference, Russia and China are taking a firm very stand regarding North Korea. We can but hope the US comes to its senses.
I hope Saker catches this, and everybody else. Very good!
Not exactly great news the USA is a danger to all life on the planet. It seems to be dawning to poodle Merkel too. So living in the EU, what will the big shot German poodle do? For the moment the EU is still taking the financial brunt of that stupid Russia economic boycott.
Wanting an EU army to defend oneself is one thing but who is going to pay for all that? Germany? The rest of the EU is flat broke. The problem with war today is it won’t be conventional. For humanities sake, I gave up on them, the sad fact is Western non-elites craves war as much as elites do. The difference being elites can protect themselves better and Joe/Joanne local can’t but that little tibit seems to escape most off them. Both of them don’t know what they are getting into.
Thanks Saker, for this analysis.
I have to admit that I’m not positive either. The Americans have nothing to offer, and when given the chance they won’t do it.
Take for instance the DPRK -already for some time a compromise is at the table, forged by China. The DPRK will stop with the development of ICBM’s and nuclear tests, and South Korea and the USA will stop will their yearly sabre-rattling military shows under the eyes of the DPRK, practicing invasion.
Done deal, one would say. But the USA doesn’t want to give in. As a result, the DPRK is now nuclear armed, and basically they have given the USA the finger.
Trump has nothing to offer to Putin. The Russians are playing the long game, aiming at ditching the dollar.
For now I have still hope that realistic minds will prevail in the Pentagon and will not try their claimed and insane ‘nuclear primacy’, but there are always hotheads and unpredictable people around, like Jared Kushner and Mohammed bin Salman.
Especially this Saudi crown prince has made amess of about everything he touched, he’s a sort of reverse Midas.
It wouldn’t surpriseme that he will make a mess again, e.g. by attacking Qatar or Iran. Such moves would end in disaster and could even lead to the fall of the House of Saud, and thereby also the petrodollar.
The Trump administration looks like a mess. Trump himself is just surviving the Swamp. Incapable people around, and Tillerson repairing the damage. And somehow I don’t trust this Mike Pence.
So no, I don’t expect anything from this G-20. We may just hope that the US miltary will not take advantage of the shifted attention, and do some moves.
Remember ping pong diplomacy? NK and SK cound have a tae kwon do tournament.
Afterwards, loser buys the beers.
So, it will be nothing but a nothing burger? Somehow Putin will come up with something creative. First dates don’t end with a kiss, often as not.
They have nothing to offer each other, but it’s worse than that.
It somehow reminds of the history and Nazi–Soviet Pact before the WW2, it was more convenient for both sides to delay the inevitable and buy some time, Hitler focusing on other things, and Soviets with their own problems. But they knew what’s going to come.
I’m afraid they have nothing to talk about and the outcome is already clear to either party.
Difference is that Russia, RF is buying some time, while US is a bit confused but in a hurry while still ahead, or under that impression.
Problem this world has is a fascistoid rogue nation that wants to rule the world pretty much like pre WW2. Regardless of what you believe in (religious or not) some events in history are determined by what I’d call “balance of forces”, it’s safe to call it good vs evil, it’s as simple as that even though the events preceding may be complicated.
And US is dead set on going to war, that’s pretty obvious to me and even this article of yours is too optimistic, it implies some sort of hope is still in the cards.
P.S. I’m really enjoying your analysis.
There’s nothing to hope of two presidents meeting. What can puppet do when it’s controlled by the master and pulling the strings tight. Only one thing “tweet”.
In the first phone conversation between Putin and the tuppence regime, pence held trump’s hand and whispered in his ear what to say to Putin. Since then no doubt the zionazis have been educating the self delusional wannabee little corporal, but is trump ready yet to face Putin alone, or will he require somebody to hold his hand again?
The zionazi/nazi empire is approaching the point of no return in their war against Russia, as their ancestors did 74 years ago. And as with their hitler proxy, these fascists are again relying upon a mediocre proxy in trump to turn the tide back in their favour. Trump’s military build up before the storm mimics Hitler’s obsession with the infallibility of the Tiger tank.
‘Point of No Return’ for Nazi Germany: 74th Anniversary of the Battle of Kursk
“By 1943, Operation Barbarossa — the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union — was in dire straits. After several stunning initial successes, the Red Army had turned the tide in epic victories at Moscow in 1941, and Stalingrad in 1942, and the Wehrmacht was now in retreat.
Kursk was a last ditch effort, in which Nazi Germany committed unprecedented resources into tipping the balance of war in their favor — or at least stopping the inexorable advance of Soviet forces.
In all, 900,000 Nazi troops, 10,000 artillery guns, 2,700 tanks and 2,000 aircraft — roughly a third of German’s entire military might — were concentrated there.
When compared with the Battle of Britain, the Bulge, D-Day, El Alamein or Midway, the clash for civilization at Kursk is obscure in the West — rarely mentioned in mainstream discourse and seemingly recognized only by a few professional historians. However, those who possess even a cursory knowledge of Kursk are keenly aware of its seismic significance, and believe it to be the most significant clash of World War II.”
Couple of major usa oil companies really questioning Russian sanctions…,effect on usa economy…..a sense of realisation perhaps?
Saker, as you say there has been no prepatory groundwork for anything substantial to be achieved, even if a real desire for it was there. This meeting will be nothing more than a chance for each to ‘make the measure of the man’.
For once, at this g20, it will be the US president and not Putin on the hot seat. Germany is not at all happy. I think that issue will dominate. Will also be interesting to see how the European gadfly, Macron, conducts himself and the perception of that. Erdogan? Lots of potential drama and entertainment with this meeting.
Back to Putin. I expect him to have a much more enjoyable time this year than in years past. No “shirt-fronting” threats this time around lol.
I wonder, have you read John Helmer’s latest piece about the about the scope of the new US Senat’s bill targeting Russia? I’m interested on your opinion.
“In this new Senate bill, the targeting is no longer crimes committed, or even the restraint of competition, but Russian wealth itself, and the oligarchs who have most of it. That is revolutionary. So is the exception in Section 241(a)(1)(A) for “their closeness to the Russian regime”. That’s a call for the oligarchs to join Mikhail Khodorkovsky in open rebellion.”
> Poland is repeating its worst historical mistake: the one of constantly trying to trigger a conflict between the West and Russia (apparently, history has taught them nothing).
we have a late Soviet joke about Ukrainian and a magical golden fish.
– okay, so you have three wishes granted
– Good, then i want immediate Mongol invasion in Ukraine
….horses stomping, arrows whistle, raped women cry, houses burn, etc.
– granted, your next wish?
– I want immediate cease of Mongol invasion in Ukraine
….horses stomping, the Horde runs away without a trace
– granted, now your last wish?
– I want immediate start of Mongol invasion in Ukraine
….horses stomping, arrows whistle, raped women cry again, etc
– you are out of wishes, but i am curious…
– one more wish then,
– okay…. I want immediate cease of Mongol invasion in Ukraine
– WHAT ??? well, okay…
….the Horde disappears again
– Now tell my WHY you wasted all your FOUR wishes for nothing???
– For nothing? Look, they Mongols rushed four times, four times they rushed THROUGH THE DAMNED RUSSIA!!!!!
So, Poland want to start a fight between Russia and Europe, okay.
IF they wish be granted again, WHERE do they think would be the battlefield?
The important encounter at the G-20 summit may not be between Putin and Trump but between Trump and Merkel.
My prediction for the outcome of the meeting between Putin and Trump is that we will see a major step back by Putin from support for Assad. In return Putin will receive what amounts to permission from the liege lord (Trump) for Russia to seem to preside over the carve up of Syria.
It won’t be dressed up quite so forthrightly of course.
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d some people are clearly panicked about it, so something is happening. I share your low expectations, though perhaps their just meeting face to face, along with some of their key staff members doing the same, will be of benefit.
Small point, you wrote: “In fact, under Kennedy there were no real Neocons to tackle to begin with.” Absolutely incorrect (assuming by Neocons you mean military-industrial-anglozionist maniacs pushing wars etc.). He came in surrounded and under pressure, almost managed to end the cold war with his secret correspondence with Khrushchev, was about to forestall the Vietnam war, was opening up dialogue with Castro who was discussing it with his envoy when news of the assassination came over the radio, and for all this and more he was taken out. Moreover, so embedded were they already that they could do all this and control the narrative afterwards, put a key enemy whom he had fired (Dulles) in charge of the Whitewashing Warren Commission and pretty much to this day most Americans don’t know why he was killed, let alone who dunnit. Maybe you meant something much more narrow by the word Neocon and I am jumping to the beat of a misunderstanding, but if so it is not clear what you mean. The fact is he had serious, determined enemies who regarded his concessions and moves towards rapprochement with Russia as outright treason. And they killed him for it.
Trump doesn’t have the gravitas or spiritual depth of a Kennedy (or Carter), but he might have something better for these times: top level street smarts, double-dealing PhD’s, 4D strategy mastery and so forth. He is trying to change the spirit of the country around, something which only very loosely involves specific policies. His enemies are formidable and legion and yet he is still pushing in certain new directions an
As to Russia, they know that he is not in charge of US foreign policy. But they might not know where he stands. It is possible that during the meetings they will be able to get a read and then be better able to manage the US neocons whilst helping the President – if they believe he stands for something helpful (which may or may not be the case).
Agree, some people are clearly panicked;
Noted a report that the panickees are trying to ensure the Fiona Hill, formerly of Brookings, now on McMaster’s staff, will attend the meeting to prevent anything of importance from being discussed/decided.
Hill is well known for her vicious hatred of Putin as evidenced by her book.
Neocons on trump’s staff are indeed panicked.
One thing for sure: IF they get on well, then they will troll the US media with lots of smiles and laughter. I can well imagine that one thing they both enjoy VERY much is punking the US media machine!
No laughs, no clearly cheerful banter: nothing there.
(I think they might almost just agree to get alone because the possibilities of poking the Establishment in the eye is just too irresistible…. But is this substantive work, like what is going on with Russia and China pretty much every day? No. There is no basis for that right now given the Neocon/Deep State dominance…)
If you think President Trump gives a damn about what the “fake news” says about him then you really need to re-visit that assessment. Not only does he NOT care, he relishes the unhinged derangement and makes sport of it, goading them with his tweets into hysterical fits until they foam at the mouth and chew on the rug. The press are discrediting themselves but are so enraged they can’t even see it.
Nothing of significance will come from this Trump/Putin meeting because it is little more than a “meet and greet”. When a longer format meeting is scheduled then it will be more “productive”.
In regard to North Korea, the US position is clear: China will be punished if their vassal in Pyongyang misbehaves, not with military action but through economic consequences. Less favorable access to the US market; tariffs; and so on.
And if China makes the mistake of underestimating Mr. Trump, so much the better: He would enjoy nothing more than hitting China in the pocketbook and in so doing giving relief to American industry hit hard by Chinese competition.
BTW, this little remark about Kissinger’s visit to Moscow circumstances…
Well, it maybe does not provide hope, but at least it should hold despair
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The Deep State thought the race was fixed for Clinton, who’s probably been an asset for US intelligence since she hovered around the Black Panthers back in the 60s. The Deep State’s plan was a more warlike stance against Russia. Controlling the resources of Central Asia (read: Russia and all those “Stans” has been the ultimate goal of the West since at least WWI.
The okeydoke that they were going to use to start that war against Russia, the “Russia-hacking-Putin-Trump tongue-kissing” thing, was converted to delegitimatize Trump’s presidency, which hasn’t needed much help (personally, I think he’s senile).
The CIA has been behind the palace intrigue against Trump, mostly because he hasn’t YET gone along with the program (destroying Russia). Some of Trump’s Syria missteps, while spastic, suggest he’s being convinced. After all, the CIA does kill people.
Russia has a lot to offer the US – Russia could capitulate like Canada has, to the USA… become a supplier of raw materials which American companies will be allowed to own… let the USA’s army run amok in the world while you disband all arms manufacturing and buy exclusively from the USA’s MIC…shore up the USA’s dodgy dollar and casino economy – ditch your gold reserves for starters… let the USA’s state department run all your media outlets… allow their NGOs carte blanche to your citizens, academics, press, etc. That’s the deal the neo-cons want, nothing else will do.
Am I alone in seeing that Poland is not the only country with folly and self infliction? Israel has been trying very hard to discredit itself, as if trying to. Make one wonder…
The reaction from Trump as candidate, and Trump as president regarding character, to be different than his predecessors, I see it as an act of distraction while the preparation for WWIII is going on behind curtain. I believe, while we are distracted because of Trump, major war will start. I don’t want to be pessimist but this could be the reason, they know Americans would not want another war especially with Russia so distraction is the method to slowly enter into yet another war with Iran first then Russia and China and of course S Korea. Can the US tackle all these nations? Right now they are getting help from Nato and GCC.
First of all thank you for your work.
I think that the view that you and many hold on Trump or any US president is naive. Trump is not a “wanna be” that did a good campaign, got lucky, had a great MEME social network campaign, etc… I see Trump as a puppet, how else would he have even been in the Primaries in an already “deep state” controlled pol. party, if he ever was a free agent. It is not that Trump is weak, it is that he plays his part. The US executive branch is extremely centralised, the US presidency investiture has never had as much power in the past as it has now, I believe G. Washington warned about that in his fair well to the nation letter, you and many see appointments like Nikki Haley as compromises and negotiations, some done beforehand (I have seen negotiations like that, in certain congress regarding the investiture of an “autonomous” government agency. The soon to be appointed person negotiates cabinet positions for votes.) I think that is naive. With those that already hold power, an outsider has very little bargaining room or none at all.
The PROBLEM is not Trump, or Mattis, or McMaster, or Nonsense-Nikki, but The Deep State – those very few people who “rule the world” right now. Give the Deep State a good dose of peoples’ potassium cyanide and the momentary problem will vanish. Then, soonest afterward, “the rest” will have to be taken care of, to prevent regrowth.