Muslims Act as Human Shields for Coptic Christians in Egypt
In Egypt, millions of Coptic Christians celebrated Christmas on Friday as the community continues to reel from the New Year’s Day church bombing that killed 21 people and injured dozens more. In a sign of solidarity, thousands of Muslims gathered on Thursday night to protect Egyptian Copts as they celebrated Christmas Eve. Acting as human shields, the Muslims surrounded churches in an attempt to prevent any more attacks. The Muslims organized under the slogan: “We either live together, or we die together.”
Not so nice to non-Muslims in other parts of the world including Iraq.
I don’t know why you are pro-Muslim the Islamic snake is the army of the NOW who have lead a trail of ethnic cleansing and dead bodies from the Balkans to the Caucasus, Eurasia, Asia and Africa.
Mainstream Islamic scholar praising and urging Muslims to fight in Chechnya.
“Prominent Islamic scholar of the modern times Yusuf al- Qaradawi released a special Fetwa (Islamic Shariah regulation based on the consensus of eminent scholars of the world), where he defines the armed fight of the Chechen people against the Russian aggression as one of the best kinds of Jihad in the Cause of Allah.”
http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302/thread/1082834921/Fetwa+of+Yusuf+al-Qardawi+about+Jihad+in+Chechnya
http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302/thread/1000510888/Islamic+Terrorist+Training+in+the+U-S-
You are a true DHIMWIT..thinking ISLAM is a peaceful religion just in AMERICA to pray 5X a day…it is dhimwits like you that will be killed off one day by the low life moslems you defend..that is ok..those of us who know what is what with TRUE ISLAM will use your body as a SHIELD when the shtf!
BTW, I was married to a REAL MOSLEM not a convert in AMERICA and had REAL AUTHENTIC Middle eastern restaurants and I know how they TRULY ARE..you are clueless…
@jack:I don’t know why you are pro-Muslim
There are two things which you clearly do not understand:
A) I am not pro-Muslim; I am pro-truth and pro-discrimination. I find lumping all Muslims into one category as stupid as lumping all Christians into one.
B) I don’t like wholesale endorsements or wholesale condemnations. I have clearly said many times over that the way many, if not most, Muslims reflexively sided with the Bosnian-Muslim, Albanian and, even more so, Chechen terrorist is a disgrace and a grievous mistake.
But I don’t want to repeat THEIR mistake myself and reflexively side against Muslims just because of their stance on Bosnia, Kosovo or Chechnya.
My ‘enemy’ is not the Muslim, its the moron, the idiot, the kind of guy who chooses a camp and then gives up any critical thought. The moron can be Muslim of course, but he also can be Christian, or Hindu, or even nothing at all. The world is suffering under the combined action of a few very evil men leading armies of idiots. That is why I side with love and kindness on one hand, and rational, critical and nuanced analysis on the other.
Right now, the only person out there whom I really admire is Hassan Nasrallah, a Shia cleric and Muslim political leader. I am personally an Orthodox Christian and yet ‘Patriarch’ Kirill of Russia gives me a feeling of nauseated disgust ever time I see his face or hear his voice. And I am sadly quite aware of all the so-called ‘Orthodox’ scumbags who greatly contributed to the bloodbaths in Bosnia, Kosovo or Chechnia. In all these wars, AT LEAST 50% of the blame should be placed on putatively ‘Orthodox’ war criminals, thugs, corrupt mafia bosses, etc. And when I write this, my personal religious beliefs are wholly immaterial to my views.
When you label me ‘pro-Muslim’ you just say something about you, Jack, not about me.
The Saker
@anonymous: You are a true DHIMWIT
Well, its good to know that real experts on Islam like you are out there, vigilantly defending the shores of Western Christendom against the Islamic hordes. This reminds me of a song by David Rovics called ‘Evening News”:
The cities are full of criminals
And all of them are Black
They’ll shoot you for your shoes
Or to get a little crack
But the police are protecting us
Locking up these thugs
Making us all safer
By being tough on drugs
There was a truck bomb in Baghdad
Blew up the UN
These fanatics do not have a care
For innocent women and men
They don’t like civilization
It’s just destruction that they crave
There is no rhyme or reason
For the way that they behave
(Chorus)
It’s hard to believe
But I know it’s true
I saw it on the evening news
There’s a war on in Colombia
And it’s all about cocaine
And the FARC is running drugs
From Mexico to Maine
It’s an ugly situation
But soon it will be whipped
We just need to send along
More helicopter gunships
(Chorus)
There was a suicide bomber in Jerusalem
Blew himself up on a bus
He was a funny-looking Muslim
Not like one of us
He didn’t like the Jews
And he says that God is great
Don’t know what his problem is
He’s just so full of hate
(Chorus)
Evil men are plotting
To blow up Washington, DC
‘Cause they don’t like freedom
And democracy
They’re fans of the Dark Ages
They are all around
They’re marching from the desert sand
And coming to your town
Music here: http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=1125258&q=hi
Enjoy!
@VINEYARDSAKER:
Muslim are part of an international brotherhood who will instinctively support the most violent and radical Muslim groups/causes wherever they gain supremacy
In the case of Chechnya it is even more apparent after the first war where they virtually had there own state and immediately the separatist regime and Muslims from around the world and there international backers and Muslim states were being trained in guerrilla warfare, kidnapping, etc expanding and creating more international criminal networks trying to expand their borders further training for a second war which they well planned by incursion and massive criminal acts against Russia.
In all these wars, AT LEAST 50% of the blame should be placed on putatively ‘Orthodox’ war criminals, thugs, corrupt mafia bosses, etc. And when I write this, my personal religious beliefs are wholly immaterial to my views.
BS the Islamic separatist regimes organised and manufactured the wars so they could have a conflict and supremacy over the regions and an excuse.
They have traitorous elements in the Yugoslav and especially Russian government, military, etc but they certainly were not Orthodox.
@jack: Muslim are part of an international brotherhood who will instinctively support the most violent and radical Muslim groups/causes wherever they gain supremacy
There is no such thing as “The Muslims”. Nor is there such thing as “The Jews” or “The Christians”. Using such categories immediately defeats any logical or fact-based analysis.
They have traitorous elements in the Yugoslav and especially Russian government, military, etc but they certainly were not Orthodox.
Actually, I happen to agree with this. However, this cannot be used as a cop-out only for pseudo-Orthodox thugs. This could also be applied to pseudo-Muslims thugs like Raduev, Dudaev, Basaev, Mashkhadov, etc.
Either we lump all pseudo-Orthodox and pseudo-Muslim thugs into one group with the truly pious Orthodox and Muslims, or we separate those who try to impersonate piety just as a con-trick to pursue their own goals. And if you tell me that Itzebegovich was probably truly a believer, I would retort that so was Karadzic.
Have you ever listened to Chomsky’s “Distorted Morality” speech?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4054523048548733881#
He makes a fantastically powerful point: moral and ethical criteria need to be applied EQUALLY all if they want to avoid being characterized as mere hypocrisy. He is correct, of course. Regardless of your opinion about Chomsky and his views (whether real or assumed), I urge you to listen to his presentation, and they rethink the very idea that somehow “Muslim are part of an international brotherhood who will instinctively support the most violent and radical Muslim groups/causes wherever they gain supremacy”.
Lastly, I would argue that Muslims, not Christians, have most suffered from the lunatic thugs in their midst like the Salafi, Wahabi, Takfiri, Deobandi (pick your label) not only in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, but also in Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnia. I mean, really, look at the situation in the places were the Muslims “won”: would you want to live in today’s Bosnia or Kosovo? And look at the deluge of pain the Chechen people suffered. Do you think that most of them are grateful to Dudaev and his crazies for literally *forcing* the Russians to re-occupy Chechnia? They can posture to their hearts content, but, believe me, they *KNOW* that had they “cleaned house” themselves the Federals troops would not have needed to do that for them.
Botton line: Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya were monumental and disgraceful miscalculations by most of the Muslim world. But who paid the worst price for that? The Muslims themselves. Yes, Kosovo was ethnically cleansed. Yes, Bosnia is a mess and many Serbs were relocated. But at least the Serbs are OUT of these hellholes. But the Kosovo Albanians are screwed, for a long time. The best thing they can hope for is that in many decades the Yanks leave and the Serbs return (which they, of course, will, sooner or later).
There is no doubt in my mind that most Muslims are still instinctively siding with the lunatic thugs in Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechya when challenged about it but folks like you or me. But once they are done waving the flag, they go home and start talking with their fellow-Muslims about what is REALLY going on there and they feel bad, they feel a sense of shame they need to explain away with canned slogans. But with time, they will come to realize that they have all been conned by the US Empire. Being used as a dumb tool is never very gratifying. Once that realization eventually makes its way into their minds you will see a gradual feeling of bitter disgust building in many, if not most, Muslims about their stance on these bloodbaths. Its just a matter of time. I can tell you that this process is already well underway amongst Russian Muslims who loathe the lunatic psychopaths who fancy themselves as “Emirs of Ichkeria” and who seriously speak about a caucasian califate which would even include large chunks of Russia.
@jack: Muslim are part of an international brotherhood who will instinctively support the most violent and radical Muslim groups/causes wherever they gain supremacy
You do realize that this kind of slogan is AIPACs’ wet dream, right? That billions of Zionist propaganda money is spent to convince the world of exactly this fallacy?
@Jack, if you are going to make such generalizations, you should also be making it for Christians. Hint: the Crusades.
Saker, how are you, my friend? Sorry, I haven’t been dropping notes but I certainly have been lurking now and then. Things have been very busy. I have something you may find interesting:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/01/06/turkish-intel-chief-exposes-cia-operations-via-islamic-group-in-central-asia/
Zerkes
@VINEYARDSAKER:
Well I will just go over your comments briefly which I could make numerous points as I see you are enamoured in leftist chunk like that of Chomsky who has never said anything of any real relevance or substance and what we are talking about here is completely out of his league.
Both Jews and Muslims are tribal religions and part of an international brotherhood and many similarities between the two so it is no surprise that both
In fact other than Palestine and Israel’s near abroad Jews support Muslim causes/states over Christians and non-Muslims and been the guiding principle of US/EU foreign policy since the Afghan war.
No surprise that both lead an international terrorist movement against Russia the Jews leading the international Communist movement and the Muslims today.
And if you tell me that Itzebegovich was probably truly a believer, I would retort that so was Karadzic.
Izebegovich was a true Muslim who in 92 attended an internal Muslim congress and got support from a the Muslim states to secure support or the establishment of an independent Bosnian state and the grotesque comparison to Karadzic is nonsense like Dudaev who was a classic fascist leader Itzebegovich was an Islamists who wanted a Muslim state instead of like the Chechens just using them as a proxy and that includes Basayeav who himself worsened the situation making civil war inevitable.
You do realize that this kind of slogan is AIPACs’ wet dream, right? That billions of Zionist propaganda money is spent to convince the world of exactly this fallacy?
They don’t say this in the Balkans, Russia, Central Asia, China and most parts of the world.
And it is a fact that that western intelligence and there Muslim counterparts support Muslim domination and expansion which is part of mainstream Muslim society, not a shadow culture so a fallacy it is not.
@Zerkes – greetings my friend! Good to hear from you and thanks for the link. Interesting stuff indeed. Stay around, lurk as much as you want, and stay in touch!!
@jack: Hint: the Crusades.
Just to add to this excellent example. We, Orthodox Christians, also have not forgotten the Crusades, the odious behavior of the Franks and, in particular, their terrible sack of Constantinople during the 4th Crusade. I can assure you that I would not want to be lumped with the Papist Franks under the heading “all Christians are crusaders” by some ignorant Muslim. But the very least I can do is return them the courtesy and not lump them all into some “Muslim terrorists” category. Christians are a diverse group, and so are Muslims.
You know the only group who would benefit from having Muslims lump all Christians into one (evil) group and have Christians lump all Muslims into one (equally evil) group?
I am sure you can guess ;-)
@Anonymous
The Crusades started in 1059 and initiated in response to Muslim expansion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
This is the 20th Century and we are talking about developments now who act as mercenaries for the American Empire.
@VINEYARDSAKER:
There is an obvious difference contemporary Islam and Christianity which really doesn’t exist in the western world.
There is no stead fast union between the Orthodox sects and some hostility between Ukraine and Russia and certainly no prominent Orthodox leader of scholar would advocate conflict and war on behalf of Orthodox Christianity.