By Guilherme Wilbert for the Saker Blog
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated on 06/24/2022 that the European Union and NATO appear to be carrying out a military coalition for a war against Russia. The statement was given in Baku in Azerbaijan during an interview.
“They are creating a new coalition for fighting, that is, for war with Russia. We will follow this very closely,” the Minister rightly declared, because that is what has been happening anyway. But first let’s go to the archetypes of the entities mentioned.
The European Union, in its initial design, may have come up with good proposals for the integration of Europeans, with some Balkan countries, for example, applying to be part of the economic and diplomatic bloc, but it so happens that few people pay attention to history, especially during World War II.
Hitler wanted a union of the European countries, what he called a “Pan-European Union”, a form of closer integration between countries that would naturally be against the Soviet Union and communism in general. No wonder Hitler set up puppet governments in some European countries such as Denmark, for example, which was under the tutelage of Nazi Germany during the period August 1943 until May 1945, after the success of Operation Weserübung.
As for NATO for example, it is seen as a super aggressive military alliance that causes barbarism in various parts of the world, especially in the former Yugoslavia, which had its territory balkanized after an intervention in the country in 1999 where some war crimes were committed because those bombs would hit civilian buildings, such as the famous bombing of Serbian TV, which was not a legitimate military target, but turned out to be a Yugoslav “propaganda broadcast” (obviously) at the time.
So it didn’t take much effort on the part of some “non-aligned diplomats” (which is the case of Lavrov) to understand that the European Union and NATO act together to stand up to the former Soviet Union, now Russia. NATO even characterized the country as an “enemy” several times, emphasized by Vladimir Putin in his speeches.
It’s not as if they left options for today’s Russia, unfortunately
After NATO’s expansions into Eastern European countries, even after a verbal agreement made between Soviet and American diplomats at the time that they would not move “an inch east” in the early 2000s, the opposite was seen and this was stated several times before the start of Operation Z, and was characterized in various ways by Kremlin spokespersons that Ukraine’s entry into NATO was a criminal act. And it was.
And like any criminal act, the police power, even if governed by a country’s Armed Forces, needed to come into effect because after the NATO vs. Russia diplomatic rounds no documentary agreement of truth properly bound by international law was reached. And to make matters worse, Zelensky would state on 02/19/2022 in a speech at the European Security Conference in Munich (just 5 days before the start of Operation Z) that he would no longer ratify the Budapest Memorandum, which is a treaty that denuclearizes Ukraine since 1994.
This would sound an alarm throughout Russia because its door to Europe would be with nuclear missiles possibly aimed at Moscow with orders coming from Washington for provocation after the fall of Putin’s allied government of Yanukovych.
With that said, Lavrov’s comparison of Hitler’s Axis with the current European Union and NATO is once again correct, because the current prejudice against Russians was seen against Jews in Nazi Germany, the attempt at various provocations such as the recent case of the Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad (Russian exclave) was seen when Hitler spoke of “vital space” putting countries neighboring Germany on invasion alert, and many more are the parallels.
This is a lost war and Ukraine needs to recognize this or else hardly a resident of Kiev will be able to enjoy the good beaches of the Black Sea.
Guilherme Wilbert is a brazilian Bachelor’s Law interested in geopolitics and international law.
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There is nothing new under the Sun.
Its a centuries old game plan which forms and reforms in re-branded way.
Last time in 1939 the confidence trick for Russia was the UK pretended to be against the EU Nazis axis but if you look at the sequence of WW2 it was not as claimed.
You had the Sitzkrieg for 9 months between Sept 1939 and June 1940 allowing Germany to take over Poland and do nothing to help the Poles.
If UK & France had gone into Germany then when the German Army was in Poland it would have halted the situation.
Then an air war for the remainder of 1940, no invasion on UK, and an Atlantic naval war in 1941.
During this time former PM Neville Chamberland mysteriously died.
Then North Africa was created as another diversion.
No real bombing of German EU industry took place until 1942.
All too little too late action by UK.
Then the real war (if you could call it that) only started when Germany got into the trouble in Russia in 1942-43 so they had to make it look good so they claim the western part of EU to stop Stalin taking over.
Then on occupation in 1945 most the Nazis ring leaders got away or got light sentences.
Thru this whole process Russia was run into debt via Lend-Lease etc….
However this time around Putin and his team appear to have figured out all moves in advance.
It was Harry Truman’s policy to foment war between Germany and Russia. If Germany was winning the US would support Russia and vice versa. Britain was intent on subduing Germany’s industry, since it was a challenge to the British Empire, especially Germany’s plan to build a railroad to the Caspian to obtain crude oil to power its industries. Neville Chamberlain the British PM obligingly declared war on Germany in 1939, that was both foolish and a declaration of its intention to start WW2, particularly since Hitler had been printing up debt free DM to pay its workforce to build autobahns and Volkswagens, instead of paying the draconian financial reparations imposed at the 1919 Treaty pf Versailles.
I have known since the early seventies that we (the USA) was in the process of world domination. President Bush talked about it as well as other presidents and leaders. They called it a new world order. You can find YouTube videos still on the subject by President Bush.
George Herbert Walker Bush was an American politician, diplomat, and businessman who served as the 41st president of the United States from 1989 to 1993. Wikipedia.
Truman wasnt even Vice President until 1945 so how can he have done anything ?
He was only a Senator from a somewhat unimportant State (Missouri) and before that a local judge.
But the spectre of him being like LBJ – slid in to take over when FDR was quietly assassinated by Dulles stands. Then he was controlled and misled.
Your comments about UK – German rivalry doesnt take into account the 1934 Trade Agreement.
Its likely Chamberland was got rid of by the order Churchill or one of his associates.
Despite of the UK historical hoopla, Churchill was a pig and a warmonger who did unnecessary damage to many countries. Many in his Govt and UK Military also had the same view particularly the RAF.
Lavrov is right as he always is. It seems to me that NATO the EU USA and UK from the outset have and continue to escalate without any reason to do so. It’s simple really, NATO could have made a clear statement that Ukraine will remain a neutral country and will never join NATO. But no such is the deeply malicious, vitriolic and vicious hatred of Russia (which has no just cause at all none whatsoever) they are totally blinded by their own hatred and are doing everything they can to provoke Russia to War. One which the collective West will lose horribly. As Alex Christoforou at the Duran has said, no good will come from this the collective West will suffer greatly due to their hubris hatred and delusions of grandeur. We the people of these corrupt Presidents and politicians need to rise up in revolution against them serious revolution. I hope in the West we do.
This ridiculous rhetoric about Hitler is actually framing Russia as no less ideologized than the US or Europe.
Now Russians, comparing themselves to the Jews, are dangerously reiterating the post-WW2 propaganda lies in a very sad attempt to regain some credit in mainstream media. Bad choice. Not even the Jews themselves are actually supporting this kind of BS.
This is the Nth bad choice which clearly demonstrates how Russia is, at the moment, absolutely incapable of conducting a serious media and propaganda battle. They are not able to frame a different scenario and insist on an already spoiled pseudo-WW2 scenario, which can sadly only benefit the West and its clearly superior propaganda means.
Russia: very good on the battlefield, very bad on the media.
At the end of the day, what really matters? The ability to talk blablah or the ability to wrestle down your opponents? We have never left that jungle rule book in the antique shop.
I think I’ll take it the Russian way and leave the propaganda in its own space. Which is more important in a war the destruction of the enemy or propaganda, propaganda has its own use but let’s not overdo it. NATO through its propaganda likes to put on a show but in reality It’s nothing more than a paper tiger and most people realize this and simply ignore it, but yet people cry that Russia is losing the propaganda show but which is more important winning the war or simply a war of words which mean little to nothing.
Whats riduculous about it? Hitler did build New Europe which was part of the Axis. If you did not agree to be part of it, you paid the priče. Yugoslavia served as a perfect example. In 1941 the Triparite pact was signed by Prince Paul with Germany. Germany and Yugoslavia built a strong trading partnership. There was a British led coup de etat which led to the overthrow of Prince Paul and the installment of King Peter 2. Hitler proceeded to take out Yugoslavia and it was dismembered. Croatia joined the German axis movement while committing genocide to the Serb and Jewish population .
Lets fast forward to 1992 and Yugoslavia was dismembered again by Germany led by Helmut Kohl and foreign minister Hans Erik Genscher. Germany and the Vatican were the first states to recognize Croatia and Bosnia. Today Croatia is agai n part of the Axis of Evil, the European Union is only the revival of the fourth reich. As usual Romania and Bulgaria are easy prey to the German expansionism. The only notable difference from 1941 and now in Europe is Hungary which is showing some resistance. However , they are still part of the EU and NATO.
In the Empire of Lies it would make no difference at all how Russia presents itself Its total delusion to think any thing else. The big clue is …. “Empire of Lies” !
The West has to lie as the truth would be suicidal for them.But this is not “good” propaganda but merely effective propaganda for those already conditioned. Most of world is very aware of US evil destruction and its lies to back it up. All Russia has to do is tell the truth.With an exemplary and highly effective military this is not only the moral thing to do but the best tactic.In the long run military might backing the truth will win.
An absolutely clueless assumption. Russia is rallying the rest of the world against the western hegemony, and they’re succeeding splendidly. You can’t perceive it because you’re stuck in your western perspective. It wouldn’t offend you in such a manner if you knew the comparison was underserved.
Russia is winning on every front that matters:
US propaganda won’t make one bit of difference when its citizens… er, useless eaters… & those of the EU are forced to choose heat or eat this winter.
They’re already trying to re-define winning as “letting Russia have the territory it has taken.
Next up: Winning = unconditional surrender..
And then, off to the next war…on some poor undeserving country or against a new, made to order bioweapon
Bad at media?
Biden’s approval rating are heading down towards the 20% mark.
Putin’s are above 80%.
Actions have consequences. Blah blah blah, not so much…
A little reply: basically all of you is making the point that battlefield is more important than words. I agree with that, but my point stands nonetheless.
At the same time, it is naive to think that the media war can be just overlooked.
Another argument is Putin’s vs Biden’s internal approval. But this is not a good argument, because here we’re talking about the ability to use the media in order to achieve more than internal consensus. In other words, consensus alone is not an indicator of well performed and effective propaganda.
@John Doe: don’t worry, I don’t feel insulted. Are they “succeeding splendidly”? Again: in war management, I agree. In propaganda management, not at all.
Yes, I understand that it may seem a secondary or minor issue, given that the battlefield outcome is more important.
But if I were Russian, I wouldn’t underrate the importance of the propaganda-war, especially in the medium-long term, and I would recognize that it definitely needs improvements and better management, especially in the international scenario.
If Russia falls every time into the WW2-Allied historical frame, that makes an easier game for western presstitutes.
The west is using a system of communication where not only technical innovation plays a role, like 1929 Germany had the first big electronic loudspeakers and amplifiers to deliver speeches in huge stadiums. Today, simply control over platforms, maritime cables, satellites. This can be competed.
The component to understand is abuse of constructivism and virtualizing. A “rootkit” was an early virus-component to fake the behavior of a computer to act normal, when it was already under enemy’s control. The technology uses virtualization, which is a layer of complex translation on every functionality on a meta level and meta language. Here you can manipulate and control everything. A far advanced environment of Orwellian newspeak. They do it with everyone’s communication – see the “radical theories”. They pretend to not understand you unless you use their artificial language. They call you names if you do’nt.
In constructivism, you can overdo derivative logics using a priori fallacies, to foster consent.
In other words – in all places not controlled by Russia/China, everyone is saying Russia has totally lost. No one accepting the truth, never acting according to any consequences. They talk everything away, collectively. Like printing money. Goes quite a long way.
The day of reckoning? I have no clue what they want to do then…
But in China, they do their own version, under different paradigms.
I believe, the Byzantine world with its commitment to natural order and communication, has a new role and new knowledge to discover, to succeed in such a global environment.
I beg everyone to communicate these concerns, and add their own thoughts creatively.
I know most of the readers here including myself have abandoned Western media simple because we vomit every time we open MSM.
The golden rule as far as possible: “stay on your dignity, never enter the smut level of the opponent.”
True, after Russia finishes w/Ukies then a lot of the media solves itself.
Vyacheslav Nikonov https://odysee.com/@GoingUndergroundRT:0/%E2%80%98america-is-lying-as-easily-as-it:e (18 February 2022 “E1010”) speaks to the nazi nature and who is a nazi country
“‘America is Lying as Easily as it Breathes’-Russian Duma Committee Deputy Chairman on Ukraine Crisis”
“These are the counties that attacked us in 1941…nato = nazi…”…and so on.
Well worth the time…
Brother Lavrov seem to buttress the opinion of Brother Nikonov.
When Belgrade in 1999 was bombed by nato, then nato=nazi was obvious.
Actually is was pretty obvious in 1949, or even earlier, “Operation Unthinkable 1945” et sec.
At 23:00 in given url
also E1010 @ https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/549853-russia-ukraine-drills-tension/
Russia is always complaining, complaining,complaining without action. Eitheir Russia escalate to de-escalate or stop complaining. Russia must by now know that NATO is fighting her . Sooner or later the US will be training Ukranian pilots to use F-15,F-16 and PAC-3 anti-missile defense against her. Already the US is flying F-35 near serpent Island without transponders.
There will always be time for escalation but probably not for de-escalation.
The U.S. military guys who are keeping track of the situation that I see in Youtube chats appear to be mostly (~80%) sympathetic to Russia, not Ukraine.
America despise the weak. European lapdog and crybaby mentality are not admired. So even if North Korea is an enemy, they respect Kim for his resistance.
“To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is lethal”. (Kissinger).
I’m Pro-America or Americans but not anti-Russia or Russians and don’t consider that a controversial position. I have said for some years that the constant ramping up of negativism towards Russia and the Russian people was unnecessary and dangerous; that the language and terms especially being used or deployed against a friendly nation and population were absurd and dishonest. Here we are looking at a major conflict that would kill millions and impoverish and starve billions. About Lavrov and his aides and spokespeople? I can’t imagine how we would be in this mess if we in America and the EU had people like them speaking for us! Thanks.
Time you started being anti-USA then. The USA is the most warlike and agresssive country on the planet, by a long way. Look at the record since 1945 (and even before, but let’s forget that). It has to be stopped, and one of the best ways would be for the citizens to do the stopping – if they can. if they can’t, then Russia and China will do it, with the help of the rest of the world (apart from the miniscule ‘west’).
The Third Reich was all of Europe united by the superior stage of racism or Nazism, now it is the same but they lack the courage to recognize it, and I believe that racism is hidden to make the exploitation of non-whites easier. That is why racism was not combated until the last minute, nor were the millions of war criminals punished at the end of the war.
The German government was also seriously concerned by the threat to world peace it saw coming from the United States. The US was routinely mocked in its popular press as a phony “Democracy of Dollars” controlled by the plutocrats of Wall Street. Indeed, by 1939 the US had subverted or overthrown every independent democracy in the western hemisphere, and was extending its tentacles far into the Pacific. One of the most startling articles I have ever read was in a 1942 issue of Signal, printed in occupied Paris, which predicted the US invasion of Southeast Asia. Regardless of what we may now think about the horrendous policies of the German regime, international power relations have always been marked by deceit and backstabbing. A clear case can be made that FDR encouraged war in Europe, with the ambition that the US would emerge as the great new world power as its rivals annihilated one another. It is also clear that Stalin had a similar ambition for the Soviet Union, which is also now quite hidden under the “Great Patriotic War” legends.
“Lavrov’s comparison of Hitler’s Axis with the current European Union and NATO is once again correct,”
It’s an odd comparison to me because Great Britain and the United States were allies of Russia or the Soviet Union in WWII. Also, the Hitler Axis existed much earlier than the invasion of Russia and neither Italy nor Japan knew Hitler would be invading Russia like he did. It’s a bad comparison, rather. Russia flounders on the Nazi issue in my opinion; I know it’s not trying to promote Nazism, but it kind of does by talking so much about it. They minimize it in practice. Regarding the Axis, Mussolini was not in favor of invading Russia, right? He was not even in favor of Hitler’s invasion of Czechoslovakia. He was no Franco, though, and followed Hitler to hell.
“…the Tripartite Pact. The Axis powers recognized Japan as the dominant power in Asia, and the three signatories agreed to assist each other if any one was attacked by a power not then at war. This was directed against the United States, as the Soviets and the Third Reich were then allied under the terms of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact. Indeed, the Soviet Union was invited to join in the Tripartite Pact later in 1940.”
I don’t buy the historical analogy either. I think Russia’s case against the West stands on its own present day merits without making forced comparisons.
There is a movement bent on world domination and it’s not Russia; rather Russia stands in its way. Unlike Germany, this movement does not invade with tanks and Stukas; it subverts and takes over from within. It is diffuse and can’t be identified with a single nation, not even the US. In fact if you accept that the American 2020 election was compromised, the US is in its way just as much a vassal state as Ukraine. Certainly not a functioning democracy.
While Russia is cutting off the military arm of this movement for its own security interests, its main service to the rest of us is to break the economic and political stranglehold the movement holds on the world’s nations. Unlike in 1941-45. This is a war on an entirely different level.
You are closer in your explanation, and it gets spiritual or semi-religious if you continue, but it is so. It is clear that man plays a part, but that such evil is also beyond man. Much of it (evil) is well-known. Take communism for an example. It starts with one Karl Marx. He was writing evil poems in his youth, exalting evil openly, for example:
“See this sword?
the prince of darkness gave it to me
Sold it to me
With Satan I have struck my deal,
He chalks the signs, beats time for me
I play the death march fast and free.”
There’s more in the book “Classical Economics” Vol 2, by the noted scholar Murray N. Rothbard (page 339).
We all know what happened a century later. I think it’s a good example of an evil that transcends man and not because young Karl Marx said he had a “deal.” He was a chosen man, sure, in a way none of us wants to be chosen for sure. The same evil power does not end with that, so humanity is under a desperate and/or grotesque attack for some reason we don’t really know, other than that the attacker can be called “Satan” or “Hate” (it’s hate). Before Christianity and independent of Judaism, the Gentile world had many religions; the neoPlatonists of the second and third centuries AD were good followers of Plato and they developed his philosophy in a way that famous theologian Adolph Harnack described as “sublime.” One has to know them well, the ancient Gentile religion and/or culture well (as well as possible), that is, as Judaism, Christianity and Islam – the ‘victorious’ religions from the ancient world – are well-known to us, to have a good panoramic view regarding what’s up. Info. is needed, like this revealing poem above.
You have correctly divined that I believe there to be a spiritual element to this, though it has an earthly human manifestation as well. I don’t pretend to know what form it takes, whether it is Soros or WEF or some other cabal of Western oligarchs. It is like a dark celestial object which can’t be observed directly but is known only through its gravitational effects on other bodies.
It could be that there is a bodily form and not only a spiritual form. The ancients believed that too.
‘I don’t pretend to know what form it takes’
Read Douglas Reed.
I don’t know how anyone can follow this world of geopolitics for any length of time and not see the overwhelmingly malign contribution of the tribe.
@Phil At this point yes. But looking historical no. The US/UK axis is one long long bloody list of atrocities all over the world, calling it soft or hard power, of greed for possession.
I am still suspicious about the outcome of Russia/China dominance, whether this shift is planned by the dark side also. The dark forces we are talking about is trans-humanism:
Humans without soul, spirit and heart.
“Humans without soul, spirit and heart.”
Fantasy for the good and realism for the evil?
Video 6:00 shows us Israelis and Ukrainians neo-nazis side by side
You might want to dig a little deeper. Consider the trip Hitler’s Deputy Rudolph Hess flight made to Britain. A non aggression pact was essentially signed giving Germany the green light to invade the Soviet Union. Germany had to crush Greece and Yugoslavia first. Why didn’t Britain bring its navy to the port of Thessaloniki to protect the Balkan front as begged by Greece and Yugoslavia? You might also remember that Britain completely destroyed the French fleet that was docked and fully surrendered . An outright war crime.
Finally, Russia decoded the century old traps and deceptions
Scholz’s grandfather wasn’t a Nazi, he was a moderate Nazi, like them US trained HTS-Ali Qaeda fellas in Syria.
John McCain (easily CIA No.1) commanded HTS, furrowing weapons into Syria across the Turkish border. This POS was a Weapons Inspector, visiting the assembly plants in Bulgaria and Eastern Europe, getting ready the WMD’s for shipment, carriage out.
Despite Barry Obama (and Joe Biden) chewing his behind in 2008. the pair were on the same wavelength and a blossoming relationship grew; McCain – Obama – CIA rerouting WMD’s into Ukraine, building, equipping a NATO army for the assault on Russia.
‘You’.ll never get rich by digging a ditch,
You’re in the army now, you’re in the army now,
You’ll never get rich by digging a ditch . . . . . ‘
What about Trenches, are they fortified ditches?
It’s actually true that Joe Biden is operating on less white brain cells than John McCain had when he died.
You know how everything that America touches turn to shit, everything! Well, I reckon they’ve come up trumps for once, with the ditches & underground tunnels, ready made burial grounds for NATO-AFU terrorists, half a million of them with space to spare. Toss the dead in and shovel dirt, getting the POW’s to fill in those trenches.
Scholz had two grandfathers. What evidence do you have either was a Nazi ?
Fritz von Scholz, SS officer in the East front. He died in today Estonia during the war.
Looks like Turkey wants Russian arms in Kurdish hands?
Some stupid leaders around who will sell their survival at the top to anyone who comes knocking.
The U.S has been very successful in creating a new cold war…it remains to be seen if they will have any control over the outcome.
Did anybody really think that Turkey was going to stop Finland and Sweden from committing suicide by joining NATO (not me). It was all a blackmail move by Turkey to shakedown NATO to get more benefits for them. So it must have worked really well for them,and now Turkey is all happy to agree for them to commit suicide and join the NATO death cult. The World moves a bit closer to nuclear war. But hey look on the bright side,Turkey is happy now:
Turkey is a bazar where farting about the price is an integrated part of the gene.
Why don’t you just go back and finish destroying the comment section at Southfront. Did not overly try to figure out your comment but it seems inherently derogatory against people of Turkish descent. Note to self don’t read this poster. Slap to self, you already knew that.
“And to make matters worse, Zelensky would state on 02/19/2022 in a speech at the European Security Conference in Munich (just 5 days before the start of Operation Z) that he would no longer ratify the Budapest Memorandum, which is a treaty that denuclearizes Ukraine since 1994.”
Would be interesting to study the German/Russian agreements reached that allowed Nordstream 2 to progress as far as it did, physically complete. That dreaded partnership, that the Empire has historically worked so hard to destroy.
Obviously they had a good working relationship to complete the hardware requirements of such an ambitious project. How naïve to think when the hurdles are eliminated, the Russians will let it be used. Seems cold has always been their favorite weapon whereas the west depends on dumb luck and weak opponents.
There was a time when Made in the USA meant a lot. Now they compete like any Mafia, pay the protection money or you are out of business. Oh yeah, smooth talking suits, but push comes to shove, modern day cement shoes.
I grew up where management crossing a picket line got your house blown up with you and your family in it, the violence is different now, but the tactics the same, you die.
The biggest lie, MSM use of Unprovoked in reports on the SMO. Contrast that with articles from Russia that mention ISIS, where ISIS is mentioned they always say, ISIS is illegal in Russia.
Just ask that tranny basketball player. When they say illegal, they mean illegal.
Nazi’s telling you they will use nukes to cancel your lease in Sevastopol is by any stretch of the imagination, a Provocation. Whereas building a multi-billion dollar pipeline to a good neighbor is a bond of friendship and trust.
‘Whereas building a multi-billion dollar pipeline to a good neighbor is a bond of friendship and trust.’
And right now they are mortal enemies.
The Greens are forced to pretend to be Nazi’s.
It’s like a B grade movie script.
What are the odds NS2 is fully operational by year’s end?
If you look at all the territory that constitutes the EU, it is a rehash of all the territories Nazi Germany had under its control.