by Eric Zuesse for the Saker Blog
On Friday, July 3rd, the judge in the Netherlands court case against Russia as having fired a Buk missile that brought down the Malaysian Airlines plane that Ukrainian Air Traffic Control had instructed to fly over Ukraine’s civil-war zone on 17 July 2014 ruled out any consideration of evidence from Russia.
Judge Hendrik Steenhuis “refused to allow Russian military intelligence to reveal where the missile was located between 1987 and July 17, 2014, when the Dutch prosecution claims the missile was fired by a Russian military crew at MH17,” as John Helmer reported on Friday. The Dutch prosecutor says that that Buk missile was fired by Russia’s Government, not by Ukraine’s Government, and that it was owned by Russia and had been maintained by Russia ever since having been manufactured in Russia in 1986, and the Dutch judge announced that he refuses to consider Russia’s evidence to the contrary.
Russia’s Government alleges that it can provide evidence that that missile did not, in fact, bring the airliner down, and that, instead, it was brought down by two Ukrainian Air Force jets that fired directly at and into the airliner’s pilot, but previously the Dutch court had ruled out any consideration of such evidence, though even the Dutch Government’s own investigation included and buried the following information, as I reported just a few days ago on June 24th:
The Dutch Government’s 279-page investigative findings on the “Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17” were published in October 2015, and reported, on page 84, (under 2.13.2 “Crew autopsy”) that “First Officer Team A … During the body scan of the First Officer’s body, over 120 objects (mostly metal fragments) were detected. The majority of the fragments were found in left side of the upper torso.” Then, it reported, on page 85 (under 2.13.3) “the First Officer, from Team A, who was operating the aeroplane at the time of the crash.”
(Note that they buried this crucial information, instead of saying clearly that “The pilot’s upper left torso, immediately to the left of the area of the fuselage that had been shot out, had 120 objects that were mostly metal fragments.”) (Here is a closer picture of that side-panel on the left side of the fuselage, to the pilot’s immediate left, and here is that side-panel shown back on the airliner, so that one can see that this firing had to have been done from below, shooting upward into the pilot.)
This crucial physical finding, that the pilot’s corpse had been loaded with “over 120 objects (mostly metal fragments),” is entirely consistent with the side-panel’s having been shot through by bullets, which would have been coming from a Ukrainian military jet and aimed upward, directly at the pilot. That marksman had to have been highly proficient in order to hit the pilot so accurately with so many bullets.
Nothing else was found to be shot through with anything like such an intensity of “mostly metal fragments,” but only the pilot’s upper left torso. This, alone, is virtually conclusive proof that a Ukrainian military jet plane had fired directly at the pilot in order to bring down this civilian plane. (More will be cited here, in #2 below.)
All of this evidence was entirely buried and ignored by the Dutch Government, revealed deep in the report, and only in sub-clauses, instead of in any direct sentences. Furthermore: “There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with what almost looks like machine-gun fire, very very strong machine-gun fire.” This remarkable statement comes not from Haisenko, but from one of the first OSCE investigators who arrived at the scene of the disaster. Go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4 and you will see it. [But, now, it has been removed. Here is the information on that video. That video was titled “OSCE monitor mentions bullet holes in MH17”.]
That evidence is consistent with the Dutch Government’s having found (but buried) that the pilot’s corpse had been riddled with “metal fragments.”
The matter which was being addressed on July 3rd was strictly concerning which Government owned and operated that Buk missile (which Russia has always contended did not bring down that plane).
Previously, when Ukraine’s Government authorized Holland’s Government to investigate and rule on what caused the MH17 to be shot down, Holland’s Government signed onto a secret agreement with Ukraine’s Government that included a provision allowing Ukraine’s Government to block and prevent any finding from being issued that would implicate Ukraine’s Government in having shot it down. Holland’s Government violates its own Freedom of Information law by refusing to make public what that secret agreement says. However, at the time when the existence of the agreement slipped through into mention by a Ukrainian news-site on 8 August 2014, that news-report said “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.”
Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.
“As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.”
At least since 9/11, we are living in a post-truth era which makes all “official” narratives about crucial events suspect. Our MSM is complicit in this deception and anyone who questions these narratives is accused of being a “conspiracy theorist.” All recent US presidents have been in on it, too, including and especially… Trump.
The only question with Trump to my mind is whether or not he was in on all this before he was elected or not. My guess he was read in on most of it after the fact, or at least provided a script to follow, before giving an oath to play along and before being allowed to assume office. The fact that he’s been allowed to last four years now indicates that for sure he’s “in the bag” regarding all the main points at least, although I doubt he’s privy to the fine details of say, 9-11, and things of that nature. Couldn’t have the idiot giving away the store on that little caper in a late night Tweet storm, for crying out loud!
Speaking of 9/11, that was the first time for me that it became clear how the MSM was in on the coverup of the truth. That they could be fingering Osama bin Laden and his merry band of 19 Arabs as the perps within hours of the events, way before any actual investigation could have possibly been done, was an indication that they were being fed the “official” narrative, promoted by… the neocons, the CIA, the Deep State, call it what you want. Every attempt at a real investigation has either been thwarted or suppressed, as was the secret Sandia Labs investigation that proved the Twin Towers were brought down by mini-nukes, and guess who is the only nation on the planet that could have done it?
Trump, being connected to the so-called “Russian” mafia for decades, and his family being Mossad agents, had to know about it.
And JFK? And the OKC ‘bombing’?
I’m sure Trump was shown the unedited Zapruder film way before he took office. The CIA didn’t have to say anything after that.
that’s de rigueur. And i’m sure trump was shown an intimate close-up of his beloved ivanka, as was obama shown pics. of his daughters, emphasizing the precariousness of their positions.
Actually, I recall how traumatized Trump’s young son looked after his surprise election.
The Western Power Brokers serving henious criminally insane, that intend to control all Earth, are not other than what barbarians are ~ see Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu. Vanga saw Russia standing after the nuclear holocaust, Putin returned humanitarian enlightenment to people vs. Oligarchs. USA Big Bird is not going to fly whistling past ITS’ graveyard. “Tempest fugits”. Praises to your gene of altruism Saker!!!
”The Dutch prosecutor says that that Buk missile was fired by Russia’s Government, not by Ukraine’s Government, and that it was owned by Russia and had been maintained by Russia ever since having been manufactured in Russia in 1986, and the Dutch judge announced that he refuses to consider Russia’s evidence to the contrary.”
Sounds like somebody with utmost convincing experience from the ICC Kangaroo court located in the very same pretty shitty city. Or is this the district court matter which, if concluded successfully, will see the prosecutor promoted to enjoy the sops and perks at the ICC?
AMSTERDAM – Dutch NATZO official Willem Matser, who was arrested in February on suspicion of laundering EUR 176 million, was working for an Italian crime boss, investigators believe.
I suppose if a Dutch judge’s notion of Justice can include refusing to hear evidence for the defense (!!!) then a Dutch official’s notion of Defence can include laundering drug money. Note also the Dutch / NATZO connection in both cases: terrorism in Ukraine and narcotics in Europe; very like the U$ / CIA connection in Afghanistan and America.
Arrested in February of what year?
I clearly remember watching the news video of Bociurkiw, standing in front of a piece of wreckage, pointing out the pattern of holes that must have originated from a machine gun. This video has been scrubbed – cannot find it anywhere. However, Bociurkiw’s reference to the pattern of holes, can still be found. Listed below – I suggest everyone make copies, as they will be deleted shortly.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30073283 (watch the video as Bociurkiw is interviewed)
The only available video located, indicating the puncture patterns of the cockpit area, was produced by RT. A more reasoned analysis, given the facts but contrary to the Buk Theory trumpeted by the Dutch & most others.
At the time of the MH17 crash, there was a reluctance on the part of Europe, to implement & proceed with sanctions against Russia. That suddenly changed in the aftermath of the crash. Coincidence ?
Around the same time, the Netherlands was able to repatriate most of their gold held at the NY Fed. Was there a deal made or merely a coincidence ?
Excerpt from DeNederlandscheBank website
DNB holds more than 600 tonnes of gold. Part of it is stored at DNB’s head office in Amsterdam, but most of it is stored in other countries: the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom.
DNB’s gold vault stores 15,000 bars of gold, worth over EUR 6 billion and representing a third (31%) of DNB’s total gold stock. Another third (31%) is located in New York. This gold is stored in the vaults of the Federal Reserve Bank, on Manhattan’s granite rocks. A larger share of the gold used to be stored here, but DNB retrieved part of it in 2014. The remaining 38% is stored in the vaults of the Canadian and UK central banks in Ottawa and London.
Utterly disgraceful – but no shock there. The whole Dutch legal system is so corrupt – The Hague is a joke – no International cases should go through the Dutch courts – Crimea’s Scythian Gold, Yukos, MH17 etc etc etc.
In living memory I have never heard of a Judge not allowing the defence to put forward its evidence/case – in this case, the Russians did a live tv interview where they showed the proof that the Buk missile not only was Ukrainian but also it couldn’t have taken the plane down. So its out there for everyone to view.
The High Court in England isn’t much better either – allowing the theft of Venezuela’s gold too:
This is despite the UK having a permanent seat at the UN security Council and the Maduro Government being recognised by the UN – you just can’t make this stuff up!
The problem for the Dutch is that this is an actual court case. This is not a “trial-by-media” which can be easily swept under the rug, forgotten & discarded as yesterday’s news.
It is a legal tribunal where proceedings are captured in minute detail in a written transcript which then becomes part of a historical archive.
Are the Dutch really sure they want to go down in history- i.e. forever- as the country that perverted justice for the victims of MH17 in order to slander Russia? Are they ready to discredit their reputation and that of their entire legal system for this?
They (the Dutch) are betting on the effectiveness and invincibility of Western slanders and public cretinism. But given the adversary they are facing, it could go horribly wrong, especially if Russia decides to make extensive use of the Malaysian sources. The Euro-trash should sense the danger with a grossly incompetent EU that only has greed and arrogance to show for it.
“Are the Dutch really sure they want to go down in history- i.e. forever- as the country that perverted justice for the victims of MH17 in order to slander Russia?”
The problem is, I suspect you are asking the wrong question, because you are crediting them wit an ability ot see further ahead than about one month, or the next few News rounds.
They need to people like the Russian, who look decades ahead.
I think they can barely see to next week, or beyond the end of their noses, Pinocchio long tho they are.
The Dutch are for the most part complete morons who believe anything their government tells them. As far as they know the Russians did it. I happen to live in the Netherlands and it’s completely impossible to even start any discussion on this subject. Russia did it and that’s just how it is period!
I understand. It’s the rejection of plain, common sense that the Government and the Ziomedia pass on to their faithful audience. A corresponding crime in Sweden’s recent history with regard to the load of disinformation, slanderous allegations, and corruption pertaining to it is the murder of Olof Palme — the crime is still producing considerable amounts of semi-literate MSM horseshit 34 years on (but with no ”Russian/Soviet meddling” theme being aired at present).
In other words, trying to discuss domestic or world political events intelligently with Ziomedia addicts is, as you testified, futile. A much better approach which brings joy and Schadenfreude rather than gloom and despair as its reward is to have some fun at the slobs’ expense. In the context of MH-17, it would be tempting to ”reward” their Russophobia with remarks such as:
— And now this / an incredibly long list of nasty vocabulary / Putin might remain in power for the whole entire decade and beyond. What are we gonna do about it?
— Maybe one or two escorting Ukro fighter jets could come in handy to dampen Putin’s appetites for cowardlily shooting down passenger planes; agreed?
Be sure not to omit the long list of pejoratives in the first suggestion. They are key to the effectiveness of the backhanded compliment!
Ahh the old politics of being right trumping the politics of being real once again.
Isn’t the discovery phase required in any criminal trial? The defense should demand that any exculpatory evidence be produced, including any and all records from Ukraine pertaining to the Buk Telar unit, in addition to the Dutch MIVD satellite images that show there were no Buk units neither Russian or Ukrainian, in range to
shoot Don MH17, as Helmer has documented in his previous articles. If this evidence I not produced, the defense
should request summary dismissal or mistrial. if that fails, defense should file charges against all parties for crimes against humanity.
This Dutch court sounds like the American “espionage court” in northern Virginia.
The cover-up started the day after MH17 was brought down. It included
– the suppression of evidence from ATC,
– the delaying of the investigation team in Kiev ,
– the preventing by Ukraine forces of access to the site by constant firing on the access routes,
– the failure of investigators to collect and store bodies in a timely fashion
– the failure to collect plane fragments in a timely fashion,
– the direct cover-up of data from the flight recorders.
– the refusal to accept technical information on BUK missiles from the Russian manufacturer.
– the refusal to consider any Russian military radar relation to this event or any data collected by Russia from portable Ukrainian radars operating at the time in this area
– the classification of the Australian coroners report into examination of victims and the failure to find any significant metal shrapnel in bodies
– the failure of the DSB to conduct any metallurgical testing on the mall amount of metal fragments they DID find in bodies.
Even as basic as testing for aluminium to rule out shrapnel from plane body.
In other words, ignore the facts and blame Russia!
I clearly remember seeing the first vid, almost live, as a NAF officer and three soldiers stood among the scattered wreckage and bodies, near a narrow but paved country road, fires still burning hard in some areas. I called VCO up to my office and told her to translate:
Officer (I think Kapitan, Captain): “Who shot this one down?”
Soldier (rank unknown, in usual at the time mix of uniform): “They did.”
Officer: “Who shot the other one down?”
Soldier: “We did.”
Image of left cockpit hull skin. Clearly shows both entrance and exit holes of two different calibers. Buk missile attacks from below and behind, designed to focus on engine heat amongst other tangibles and is not a direct hit missile but a missile with a proximity fuse. I have more images of this part, and in my opinion it shows the cockpit was the target in an attack from below, possible, or probably, two attacks by either the same or two different aircraft.
Of course, the main focus should be, and was for a very short time, ‘Who shot the other one down’, IOW what other one?
A serious question on the subject matter: Isn’t this entire lousy travesty a textbook example of what Russia’s new constitution is addressing? To wit, from now on any Western ’legal’ bodies practising 100% institutionalized extortion and coercion have zero authority over Russian jurisdiction, period.
I think Russia/Moscow/The Kremlin/Putin should make a massive display of contempt of court. The ”prosecutors” at the Zionazis’ disposal are like the rest of the West’s petty bourgeoisie: silly, tiny invertebrates.
“Netherlands ‘Justice’ Is Totally Corrupt”
The justice/law conflation is part of the bedrock of coercive social relations obfuscating that the rule of man is clothed in the “rule of law”.
When beliefs are found to be illusory the believers tend to become angry and invest effort in the re-instatement of something that never was, instead of expending efforts in transcending the rule of man which has been and is.
The saga in respect of MH17 was/is entirely predictable and this was apparent to some from inception.
This facilitated the process of demystification of “justice” to agnostics with the complicity of would hope to be rulers of men, whilst sending believers on a wild goose chase.
A good article on the crimes of US and Ukrainian Nazis. This court is a subsidiary of the Hague tribunal which is a subsidiary of NATO. This is US managed case, dressed up as a Dutch court but controlled by the US and other NATO countries.
The court’s purpose is to make Russia a scapegoat for NATO crimes. The court is there to make it look like Ukraine is a sovereign country instead of a US protectorate, and to weaken the claims of the Russian people to its heartland territory.
With the exclusion of evidence, this trial is a charade as the outcome is no doubt already written which anyone can tell. They don’t want to take a risk that this evidence will expose the real criminals, and of course, any evidence that points a finger at the UKI Nazis will be whitewashed to exonerate the US and NATO in the killings of these innocent people.
The only courts that have the jurisdiction and right to try this case are in Malesia and that will not be permitted.
The handling of the investigation, JIT, and these court hearings are both examples of the injustice of a dictatorship making only the hearings and rulings that has been directed by their cadres, published in their propaganda, refusing even to hear evidence from the other parties. I doubt the miscarriage of justice was worse in the former Soviet Union or China today. It is similar to the justice of the absolute totalitarian state. Of course NATO was heavily involved making it a fascist justice system. In the past they also used their own media such as fake news BBC as evidence, media which like the cadre system of the totalitarian state and publish obvious staged events and fake stories published by their spy agencies.
The fact that Ukraine says both military and civil radar were shut down that day(hardly believable).yet there were claims the radar tapes went missing(cannot be both)….proves they are at fault for not closing their air space …yet they were directing aircraft flight plans and talking MH17 to change height at such a synchronistic moment sufficient to become an attainable target..simples. Could they may have been relying on some kind of USA radar….surely(if they were ….the implication could be is USA was responsible for directing missiles and attack airplanes?) Is Russia able to prove disprove these statements and what radar systems were operating in the region?
Plus if course any evidence USA is neither not available nor available for scrutiny….such a coincidence. Wonder what the current Malaysian view point us ….considering their recent concerns.
“This includes primary radar data from Ukraine, which Kiev claims it’s unable to provide because neither civilian nor military stations were operational on the day of the tragedy. “Ukraine has effectively not presented any primary radar data. Ukraine has told the Dutch Safety Board that no primary radar data was registered, as the radar was not operating at that moment,” Dutch prosecutor Thijs Berge said last month.”
ALSO ON RT.COM
Int’l MH17 crash investigation ‘politically deficient, defective by process’
What is “at that time”….why…how long…where is the evidence of that timing…..what a coincidence…..what do back up systems record….etc etc
The prosecution’s case is leaking like a sieve..
-First their dodgy scenario of a BUK missile shooting down the plane is refuted by every other piece of material evidence.
-Now the alleged murder weapon- the BUK itself- has a paper trail documenting the transfer from Russia to Ukraine in 1987 and there is no record or even explanation of when & how Ukraine gave it back to Russia (to be handed to the rebels)..
One wonders how this case even made it to court.
”One wonders how this case even made it to court.”
This is a mere hypothesis of mine that I haven’t seen promoted online. Firstly, the fundamental reason behind the silly show trial itself is because the crime was a horrible blunder on the part of the Ukronazis. So it needs to be covered-up and lied about by their Western sponsors. Secondly, the plan was that Putin should have been killed while he was flying in the same airspace. Had this succeeded, the nonsense about the Russian BUK would never have appeared anywhere.
What’s also interesting is the question for how long will they try pushing this nonsense? Putin isn’t leaving office anytime soon, and now there is a new Russian constitution which has a very firm grasp of the validity of Russian law vs. Western lawlessness.
Good points. There was, however, always the option of not doing anything (when they realised the blunder) After all, there is a historical precedent as US shot down the Iranian passenger airplane, killing more than 270 on board. There was no tribunal, no compensation, not even an apology.
…you said…”There was, however, always the option of not doing anything (when they realized the blunder)”
But that is not their playbook…and they don’t make ‘blunders’. They will never ever let a good tragedy go to waste. They seized on yet another opportunity to demonize Russia.
They own the global LSM and the script on all these major events. They have proved time and again that they can invent any farcical version of an event that is devoid of all facts and logic and yet the West will willingly swallow it hook line and sinker… every time.
It also seems like an incredible coincidence that Putin’s similar-looking jet was in that same area at the time…so was the Malaysian airliner, not the intended target…definitely food for thought?
Whilst on the subject of coincidences though, none more so than Malaysian Airlines run of ‘bad luck’. Indeed, after having an amazing clean safety record they suddenly have 3 major disasters within months of their country’s landmark court decision… and what was the recommendation of that court…umm how about the announcement that Bush and Blair should both appear before the World Court for war crimes against humanity.
And that’s right…what about this one which also stinks to high heaven…Germany had to beg on bended knee and waited years to get their gold repatriated from Uncle Sam and yet little old Holland gets theirs back in a flash… right after the MH-17 tragedy…a case of blood money?
All in all, there are more coincidences here than even I could poke a stick at.
Their case has always leaked. Almost from the beginning Russia had the serial number of the missile and published the number with the documents showing it went to Ukraine SSR in I think actually 1986. At any rate, the orcs had the missile and the coup d’grace was the SU putting a couple bursts in to the cockpit for added measure. If you look at the perforations in the left, and only left, side of the cockpit skin you will see two distinctive impact tracks administered from two different angles and two different aircraft. NAF always said, and many witnesses confirmed, that two orc aircraft were up there and they both attacked the Boeing.
That is in all likelihood what happened, Auslander.
The Russian presidential fleet has a white, red& blue banner painted in the side of the aircraft.
As commentator B.F. already pointed out, Malaysia Airlines has a very similar design on the side of its planes. The Ukro pilots thought they had a visual ID of Putin’s plane, which was in the same area, based on the design on the plane. The trigger-happy idiots did not (could not?) read the giant letters on the side which spelled “Malaysia Airlines..”
The shoot down of the Malaysian passenger jet M-17 by a Ukrainian SU-24 fighter bomber by firing an air to air missile was a failed assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin, whose Presidential jet flew over Ukraine from the south west on its way back from Rio de Janeiro to Moscow on the same day at the very same time. The pilot of the SU-24, Captain Vladyslav Voloshyn, upon returning to base, minus his missiles, was visibly shocked and stated that M-17 was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He committed “suicide” shortly thereafter.
Suicide is a way to silence a witness. Clintons are good at eliminating witnesses and it seems that the chocolate kIng of Ukraine was also. What about the Black Box and the traffic Air Control tapes which Ukro-Nazis refuse to provide?
Putin’s airplane did not fly over Ukraine since it was reported near Warzaw Poland 37 minutes after MH-17 had passed near Warzaw, Putin’s plane should continue probably over Belarus to Moscow. It was reported that MH-17 had been near Warzaw 37 mins before Putin’s airplane, but MH-17 would continue on a southeasterly course which was over Ukraine. So the two aircrafts were on totally different treks, and at different times.
In the crowded airspace over Europe that is like a small eternity in terms of seperation. And it is not possible to shoot down passenger aircrafts because they look alike somehow. They need a positive identification or an enemy designation. So the conclusion is that MH-17 was shot down because it was Mh-17 by the conspiracy, but that the pilot of SU-24 was probably kept in the dark expecting an enemy aircraft that had targeted his team of Su-24. It was a more complex plot.
John4Truth, I agree with you. The Malaysian airliner was the target. That country annoyed Israel. I forget why, the details were around at the time, but Malaysia had already suffered an airliner mysteriously disappearing on flight.
MH370 and MH17. The question to be asked: who shorted Malaysian Airlines stock beforehand?
Yeah, the general hostility towards Malaysia is probably based on its anti-zionism voice and support for Palestine.
Sorry John, but you have way too much confidence in the Ukronazis’ aviation skills, dexterity, and information processing capabilities. They knew Putin was flying fairly close, possibly in Ukrainian airspace. So when the Ukro Luftwaffe spotted the MH-17 aircraft, the Ukro crew most likely started drooling and panting instantly with anticipation and a sense of elated triumph. MH-17 fell victim to Ukro gangsterism because of its red, white, and blue fuselage which got confused with Putin’s plane.
As an aside, could you please explain what you mean by
“And it is not possible to shoot down passenger aircrafts because they look alike somehow”
Yes, but wasn’t there this guy ‘Carlos’ who claimed to work in Ukie ATC, that stated, almost immediately, that MH17 was ordered to reduce altitude and alter its flight-path to bring it over an unsafe area? I remember this distinctly, although the story about Putin’s plane came out pretty quickly (within a couple of days). I would have expected a military escort for the plane of VVP.
Seem to be CIA/SBU desinformation. There never was a spanish air traffic controller at least according to later debunks. The scope of this desinformation seem to be to undermine the entire idea that the MH-17 actually was directed by ATC to a lower flightlevel and fly over the very area that had 3 SU-24 circling directly underneath.
Even if the top Ukranian military commanders were aware it wasn’t Putin’s plane, and concocted a scheme to frame the Russians for the downing of a civilian aircraft, I doubt the pilot, who brought the plane down, was in on it.
When he was given the order to fire, I reckon they told him he was bringing down Putin.
In any case we will never know since he’s dead now.
There was no ukr “Luftwaffe” in the MH17 level at 10000m. They were climbing to intercept an anemy aircraft in a more complex plot which I have theorised in Zuesse’s other recent report on MH17 if you are interested to see what I meant. I regard it as misdirections by ground control that designated a civilian aircraft as a military intruder. And they have encrypted communications. It meant fire on sight, and climbing from below they will not see any markings.
What I meant regarding markings was that they need exact identification to make such a call, not somehow similar markings if they use identifications for a clearance to fire. Military aviation typically need identification of enemy aircraft and Identification means identification. It is impossible to mistake Malaysian for the Russian presidents aircraft which has a russian flag on its tailsection.
Anyway the Russian president’s aircraft was not there at the time since it was routing over Poland. And it would be suicidal to shoot it down.
“misdirections by ground control that designated a civilian aircraft as a military intruder”
John4Truth, so your theory is the Ukrainians thought MH17 was a military incursion from Russia?
If MH17 had come inbound from the East that would be a possibility. But MH17 entered Ukraine airspace from Poland, a friendly country, and had been flying over a pre-defined civilian airline path over Ukraine for some time before it was shot down. What would have given them the sudden impression that this was an enemy military aircraft?
Military attack aircraft may launch an attack from any direction and are largely undetected in the field, and in this case the ground control must have been part of the conspiracy, and/or the SU-25 had communication with other mobile radar units defending a high value target that took part or were an essential part of the conspiracy. The Su-25’s had been on this mission for one week prior to the shootdown of MH-17, and one SU-25 had been fitted with air to air missiles. I theorised that the SU-25 wing actually had been attacked and at least one shot down while on the mission patrol, only 1 out of 3 SU-25 returned to base.
I posted a theory in the other Eric Zuesse recent report.
John4Truth on June 25, 2020 · at 4:42 am EST/EDT
For more aspects of how the MH-17 was downed
People who doubt/discard the hypothesis that Putin was the real target should ask themselves how long it takes for the Zionazis to drop the show trial nonsense if Russia is regime-changed.
PS. In a few minutes’ time, I will enjoy — I hope! — a hilarious piece of garbage propaganda on one of Sweden’s conservative TV channels. Here is its translated presentation:
How is it possible that the prosecution and court can blindly and without question
accept every bit of evidence, most of which has already proven to be fabrications,
from the SBU/CIA, who are the prime suspects in terms of MOM(means, opportunity
and motive) while rejecting evidence from Russia which has not tarnished it credibility
with fabrications and lacked all three of the above criteria for establishing culpability.
How the Malaysian Airlines MH17 Boeing Was Shot Down. — https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-malaysian-airlines-mh17-boeing-was-shot-down-examination-of-the-wreckage/5435094
SHARE ,pls .
Great link…best I have seen on the topic to date…thanks for posting.
It was not overlooked at the time ! The motive may be linked to hiv/aids, as well as combined with the NATO intervention scheme, and the general hostility towards Malaysia, it worked together for the cynical deep state and their top brass and political puppets in power. Another warcrime, crime against humanity, agression.
100 top Hiv/AIDS researchers were onboard MH-17.
They were very optimistic regarding a cure for AIDS would be announced during the AIDS conference. Prof Lange was also founder of a non-profit organisation for access to HIV/AIDS therapy.
Removed – going off-topic – please take to the mfc. Mod.
Motive. I typically left out the most important, the elephant in the room, a major anti-Russian operation. That was the political driver that merged with military operations, the NATO psyops was total.
George Soros had openly called for the EU to attack Russia, one of the main operators of the hidden empire , and anti-Russian policies had taken over the political agenda and filled their corpoorate media with anti-Russian propaganda.
The mh17 process is almost invisible in the Dutch news media.
Well the Dutch government have decided to file a suit against Russia now for MH17 crash. This never ends, no concern for the real victims or the truth:
“The Netherlands plans to file a lawsuit against Russia with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) over the flight MH17 catastrophe, according to Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok.
The Dutch cabinet also plans to send an official note about the lawsuit to the UN Security Council.
The statement is issued as the Dutch court, holding the hearings at the Schiphol Judicial Complex in Badhoevedorp, declined a request by the defence to ask NATO to provide satellite data on the crash. According to the judges, the information from the AWACS aircraft “did not yield any relevant data for the investigation”.
Previously, Ukraine also failed to present primary radar data on the incident, “as the radar was not operating at that moment”.
Commenting on the hearing, Moscow stressed that the court has generally ignored the information provided by Russia, while unquestioningly accepting data from Ukraine, despite it being an interested party………….”
” the Dutch government have decided to file a suit against Russia now for MH17 crash.”
They aren’t even waiting for their own ongoing prosecution to come to a decision. Can’t have too many prosecutions in this matter, it seems.
Again: Isn’t this entire lousy travesty a textbook example of what Russia’s new constitution is addressing? To wit, from now on any Western ’legal’ bodies practising 100% institutionalized extortion and coercion have zero authority over Russian jurisdiction, period.
Contempt of court would seem to be absolutely appropriate here. Russia is just dealing with a bunch of salaried imbeciles and their Russophobia-on-duty.
They might have lost what influence they had over the Russian legal process, and their ongoing case is not looking too good now that it is being challenged in court, but they still have influence in the ECHR; so that’s where they go to inject their version of the “evidence”. Divert attention there and way from the current case, which is suspended at the moment.
Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok: “By launching the case against Russia, the Dutch authorities can share evidence with the Strasbourg-based European court so it can be considered in individual relatives’ cases.
“As a government, we have information and evidence that leads us to the conclusion of the involvement of the Russian Federation,” Blok told The Associated Press news agency.
“Of course, the relatives themselves do not have all this information so we can help them by starting this procedure.”