Note: the text below was posted on the official website of Poroshenko, but only in Ukrainian, not in English or Russian. Which is especially interesting since it it addressed not only to the Ukrainian people, but also to the “world community”. Thanks to “AA” who translated this from Ukrainian into English I can share with you this most interesting speech. As you will see, Poroshenko wants to create an international coalition against Russia (see the text I colored in red below). The Saker
President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko: Address to Ukrainian people and people of the World in connection of 70th Anniversary of the end of World War II.
Sept. 02 2015
Dear world community!
70 years ago the extraordinary efforts of tens of nations put an end to the most horrible and biggest scale armed conflict for the whole history of mankind- WWII&
Our soil was bloody arena of hard warfare actions. On the very Ukrainian land almost half of all strategical defensive and offensive operations of East European theater of military operations took place, just in Ukraine more then half of Nazi troops were crushed.
We have our own very mournful account of lost peoples in that tragedy. That war, by various estimates cost Ukraine from 8 to 10 million of lives.
Imperishable and light memory to the dead !
Ukrainians bravely battled with the enemy in the ranks of Red Army, soviet partisans and underground fighters, regular armies of Anti-Hitler coalition French, Slovak and other resistance movements, Hundred thousands of Ukrainian patriots were fighting in the ranks of Ukrainian Resistance Army.
Close to 2,5 millions our citizens were awarded by medals for heroic exploits, both civilian and military. For exceptional courage, more then 2000 were awarded by the rank of the Hero of the Soviet Union. Three times Hero was legendary Ivan Kozhedub, two times Heroes – another 32 Ukrainians. The Victory flag was raised on top of Reichstag building first by our fellow countryman Olexij Berest. A lot of native Ukrainians were on high positions in Red Army command. One of them was Hero of Ukraine, lieutenant-general Kuzma Derevyanko, he was awarded posthumously, for for courage, devotion and diplomatic efforts on post-war settlement of the international relations.
As a recognition of a powerful contribution of our people to the Victory over Nazism, Ukraine was granted the right to became a country -founder of United Nations Organization.
Ukrainian people paid a very high price for its freedom. Every Ukrainian family their personal history of that war and post-war reconstruction. Their stories about heroic fights, life under occupation, evacuation, concentration camps, NASA slavery, terror, famine, Stalin’s repressions, are passed from generation to generation and became National Memory. During WWII, the whole territory of modern Ukraine was occupied by the Nazi and their allies, more then 700 Ukrainian cities, tens of thousands of villages, factories, cultural objects and spiritual objects were destroyed.
More then 3,5 million of our fellow countrymen were displaced to the East – our best workers and specialists of a national economy, 550 industrial factories tens of High Schools, theaters, museums. Most of those factories were and remained on the territory of modern Russian Federation.
WWII is not only deep wound on human civilization. Its also a hard lesson, but conclusions were drawn not by all.
The question of peace and war is still a top priority of international and European agenda.
The Russian Federation has cynically crushed International Law by annexing Crimea and fire a conflict in Donbass, nowadays again destroying system of European and global security.
Impertinent Russian aggression is a threat not only to Ukraine, but for the whole civilized mankind, its security and stability.
The bloody lessons of WWII should not be vain. The aggressor can be stopped only by united efforts, as it was a case 70 years ago.
Ukraine is supported now most of global end European leaders, help that we permanently feel during the time of hardship for us, demonstrate that international community understand hopelessness of a policy of appeasement of an aggressor.
This is why, today when we celebrate 70th Anniversary of the end of World War II and remembering of millions of dead people, we are calling all nations of the free world resolutely to stand together in united front against Russian aggressor which commence undeclared ‘hybrid” war against sovereign Ukraine.
Democratic world must put maximum efforts to recover destroyed system of International order and return trust to International Law.
Today, I want separately address war veterans, members of liberation movement, anti-terrorist operation in Donbass and Luhansk regions, to all who defending our country with arms.
Memory about feat of our grandfathers during WWII and today’s fight for sovereignty and territorial integrity of our country today, as never before, united Ukrainian people. This memory was and will be sacred to all of us.
I am convinced that spirit aspiration of Ukrainian people to built sovereign European country and solidarity of all people of the world in resistance to aggression will lead to restoring peace and will provide successful development of Ukraine.
Mr.Poroshenko needs a psychiatric help as an emergency! If NO Russian army would help the Jewish people to be saved from the concentration camps, he wouldn’t be alive today.
Even it was the Russian nation who has sacrificed their lives for the totally strange nations and Jewish people. Nobody from Israel came to say thank you on the day celebrating the end of WWII.
This is nothing just a clear picture of the pure betrayal.
“Mr.Poroshenko needs a psychiatric help”
We (my mother in-law more to the point) actually personally knows a psychiatrist who has not only treated Mr Poroshenko – but also his entire family.
She said – “all the family are psychopathic”
True – I not making it up.
Our mother still in Kiev and doing OK – but careful now what she says to “anyone” even long term associates & friends. It very sad how many in Ukraine now are completely brainwashed-out by local Media propaganda
Dear The Saker,
As stated in the comments of the last Porkie commentary – I am not even going to read what he has to say – does he really think the international community reads his personal website & believes anything he says?
What this dillusional, scum bag has to say as he desecrates all over the millions of people who died fighting Nazism deserves no recognition whatsoever.
Now let us read what Lavrov has to say:
Nothing Porky says should be posted except inside a box, sort of like a cat’s litter box, but signaling the reader or observer that his output is shit.
It does not deserve presentation with a photo of his face without a photo, at least one, of his victims, like Lina, blown into pieces in Lugansk, or the strangled pregnant woman in Odessa, bent backwards in death while her compatriots were incinerated in mass murder.
That is the least we should demand of any Resistance presentation of Porky the war criminal and mass murderer.
You know that the Ukrainians and their media are now using gthe very images you suggest (of victims of their own shelling) as visual evidence of the effects of Russian aggression.
There is no end to it. The MSM is beginning to use images of the little dead boy drowned as the effect of Assad waging war on his people.
There is no stopping the fabrication of bullshit at dizzying speed.
I was reading an article today about the effects of the Internet, and there was this quote from a letter by Karl Marx to his friend Kugelmann in 1871:
“Until now we used to think that the emergence of Christian myths during the Roman empire was only made possible by the fact that the printing press had not yet been invented. But in fact it is precisely the other way around: The daily press and the telegraph, which can instantly propagate its inventions all over the world, fabricate more myths in one day than people in the past could create in one century.”
Poroshenko’s EU-ropean values in action:
I was wondering whether I will be the only one ignorant to prefer reading comments without having look on Poroshenko´s text.
I am interested only in the news about his death.
Thank you for company.
He is what he does, he is producing only sh**.
I’m with you, my friend
One must know what the enemy writes.
But after having read it from a to z, I feel extremely bad now and regret it.
Having read this hypocrit’s thin dumbshit was not healthy.
@ ‘the master,’
Q; He is what he does, he is producing only sh**.
R; Unfortunately he’s not the only one.
I’d like to see him tried and executed.But I actually think if he is overthrown,or if the country is liberated.He will flee to the West before he can be caught.And that would mean, he will need to be given the same style of justice, that was delivered to Bandera.
death is too good for this guy, he should be incarcerated for life…with solitary except for visits from Orthodox priests. And only good … I mean truly good … books to read, and vegetarian meals, made up of black Russian bread and water…that’s it.
Is his ‘family’ still in Switzerland ? I guess they might be allowed to visit on his birthday.
If they did keep him alive (doubtful,but maybe).He should be forced to work helping repair the damage he’s done.An 8hr day building and repairing houses, and schools, would be about right.And on the bright-side for him, it might slim him down a bit.
hmm. I wouldn’t let him out…he might escape..
Haha,until he slimmed down I doubt he could outrun an NAF soldier.And even after slimming down I’d doubt it.But then I’m thinking even inside the prison there is some work he could do to help the rebuilding.Maybe work on brick making.
More and more this soulless sub-human is revealing himself.
as a clown
What a crock! Perhaps the Odessa warrior Saakashvili can lead the charge? He seems to think Ukraine can wage war against Russia and prevail all the way to Moscow.
How many ties would that take, do you think?
tell me that at the end of this history, this scumbag will be killed…
The Real Evil Empire’s stooges always have a safe haven in the USA or Israel. Rendition would be a good idea, in my opinion.
Highlights of the Fatso’s unforgettable oration (emphasis added):
“Ukraine is supported now by most of global and European leaders, help that we permanently feel during the time of hardship for us, demonstrate that international community understands hopelessness of a policy of appeasement of an aggressor.”
Sure thing — the adorable “International Community” accompanied by its “European values” cheering everybody up again. Irrefutable proof of what these lofty concepts really mean can be gauged by noting how they play out in Greece (anti-austerity hero Tsipras) as well as in Banderastan (pro-austerity Kosher Nazi Poroshenko). Western imperialism — with German Nazism as one of its key manifestations historically — repeatedly brings wanton destruction and total mayhem all along the line. Evidently, the sheeple in some places can be tormented forever, never giving up on their despicable grovelling having no self-respect whatsoever. Some people just prefer to be slaves, formally ruled by vile, pathetic stooges but ultimately by Soros & The Tribe.
“The question of peace and war is still a top priority of the international and European agenda.”
From global and European in the previous entry to international and European here. Speaks perfect “Westish”, this profound Ukro Statesman. Actually, his judgement is quite correct. More specifically, the question of peace and war is a permanent “top priority” as required by criminal societies ruled by deception and coercion. Speaking of the latter, watch out for your Right Sector vigilants, buddy.
“Democratic world must put maximum efforts to recover destroyed system of International order and return trust to International Law.”
Dear Poroshenko, I think that you, if anybody, should know that George Soros is ultimately in charge of your beloved “Democratic world”. Hence, you shouldn’t be lecturing him. It is he who makes very good use of your excellent statesmanship to achieve this most noble goal (as per his interpretation of it).
“I am convinced that spiritual aspiration of Ukrainian people to build sovereign European country and solidarity of all people of the world in resistance to aggression will lead to restoring peace and will provide successful development of Ukraine.”
Haha, really cute, no doubt. However, as Greece showed us from a slightly different perspective, the “European Union” is indeed a “You’re_a_Peon Union”. No sovereignty whatsoever is being tolerated there. And, given the overall moral stature of the Ukro trash, grovelling before German Big Capital seems to be nothing less than the Ultimate Divine Experience.
His multiple negative references to defeating the Nazis in WWII seems to me to be an oblique announcement of official hostility — or perhaps some stronger form of opposition — to the Nazis of western Ukraine.
It may be that he finally realizes that he’s caught between multiple — and differently motivated — forces, and that the greatest immediate danger to his wellbeing is those very Nazi psychopaths that he’s used to great effect in the Donbass, but who ultimately failed to complete their assigned mission and who now blame him for that failure and want him removed from office.
I doubt this.
It’s only to marketing jibber to distract and mislead the western audiences and to tell them “We have nothing to do with Nazism, no, we in Ukraine are poor dear angels fighting against all the evil of this world, effectively to rescue Europe from eveil aggressors.”
You are correct there.It is purely a trick.Now, inside his mind,he may feel as Jack said.But his words were as you said, purely a ploy.Some of the keys to his trick are in the double meanings of some of his words,such as “Ukrainians bravely battled with the enemy in the ranks of Red Army, soviet partisans and underground fighters…..”. The real “underground” fighters were the Partisan movement.What he was doing with his choice of words was to talk of the UPA as the “underground” fighters.And that was also his meaning when he said,”Hundred thousands of Ukrainian patriots were fighting in the ranks of Ukrainian Resistance Army”.Again that was a reference to the Bandera UPA. He also attempted more historical half-truths and lies,such as this jewel ” As a recognition of a powerful contribution of our people to the Victory over Nazism, Ukraine was granted the right to became a country -founder of United Nations Organization.” The reason that the Soviets insisted on Ukraine getting a seat in the UN was to increase their voting strength.They knew the West would out vote them,and wanted to give seats to all the Republics that made up the USSR.But had to settle for a compromise,allowing a couple of seats to the most important Republics only.It had nothing to do with anything else.He continued his half-truths with this “little number”, ” More then 3,5 million of our fellow countrymen were displaced to the East – our best workers and specialists of a national economy, 550 industrial factories tens of High Schools, theaters, museums. Most of those factories were and remained on the territory of modern Russian Federation”. Here he was subtly implying that Russia stole those factories and kept them to harm Ukraine.He overlooks the fact that all those factories were built by the common government of the USSR in the first place.They weren’t “Ukrainian factories”,they were the property of the Union in total .And were moved to get them out of the path of nazi destruction. Once they had been moved they weren’t then moved again at the end of the war.But other factories were built in Ukraine to replace them.Ukraine was (unlike today) a show place of Soviet industrial development.And got more than their fair share of industrial establishments in the USSR.But he knows most people forget that.So he could throw in a bit of Russophobia to spice-up his speech.The rest of the speech is full of nothing but lies so I won’t bother with talking about it.
Double negatives are common in both Ukrainian and Parasha’s native Russian. (Like many a rabid partisan of the little Russian dialect, he doesn’t actually speak it so good.)
Saker, do you think it is necessary to write an article on the coup announced by Strelkov this evening?
We have a high level of intelligence most of the time on the Vineyard.
Don’t drop a leading question as you have done without a good link to the story you hype.
Strelkov is a dubious character for many of us.
How would Saker know what you are talking about?
Does he have remote access to your computer?
Step it up or shut it up, perhaps.
I think I have figured out what he’s talking about.Purgin has been thrown out in the DPR (and others) and Pushilin put in his place.It seems Purgin was more pro-Russian and wants more connections with Russia (from pre-maidan background) while Pushilin is agreeable to staying in Ukraine.So you have the irony of the Russian government ditching their own supporters to kow-tow once again to the West.I really do wonder sometimes at the Byzantine politics of Russia.Do they really not realize what their fate will be if they betray Donbass.Do they seriously believe the millions in Russia that support Donbass will not desert them if they are understood as traitors.Slav’s have a long established way of dealing with people they consider traitors.Alexander II and the Grand Duke Serge could attest to that.If they do end up betraying ,and when the thousands of patriotic volunteers return to Russia. I wouldn’t sell a life insurance policy to any of the government officials involved in that betrayal.The insurance company would go bankrupt on payouts quickly.
“70 years ago, the Russians saved all our asses. And that’s why today, on this historic anniversary, I want to call on the countries of the world to gang up on them!”
Stay classy, Poroshenko.
It reads more like: “We the heroic heroes of Ukrainian heroes won the war against Hitler, and not only saved the planet but also Russia, but she doesn’t thank us our honorable deeds and suffering, although Ukraine rescued Russia. That’s not fair! Such poor dear angels we sweet Ukrainians are. Sam, do you want more sugar?”
Poroshenko is a real devotee of Hitler’s prime propaganda dictum-if you’re going to tell a lie, tell a Big Lie. This was a tour de farce of Really Big Big Lying.
Thank you for your time and effort in translating Poroshenko’s ‘statement,’ so those of us who’re incapable of reading it in its original language, still get a chance to understand it.
It does not matter whether this article remains Ukrainian, or what language it is translated into. There is no chance, for those with human reason, of it being understood.
One can only recognise the Big Lie, that’s all.
When I first read this statement from the Great Leader of Ukraine himself, i had the strong urge to type about their “heroes” and heroes, defense and liberation of Ukraine, defense of Sevastopol and its liberation ,about crossing the Dnepr, and about the liberation of a city that which (again) has to suffer Nazi presence. But I remebered something so I will not.
When Germans were being forced out from Ukraine they plundered the land, harvesting or burning the wheat and cash crops, transporting or slaughtering livestock, destroying towns and villages; mines and factories, and deporting population as forced labor to Germany or killing them outright. Of course, they destroyed roads, railways and bridges. They did everything to stop or slow down Red Army. Even resorting to things such as this( I think this is from Michael Jones book, Total War: From Stalingrad to Berlin).They even tried to spread typhus among Red Army by using methods like this. They would infect children( up from toddlers) with typhus and then leave them in unguarded camps, without food or shelter. And how did you think “Hundred thousands of Ukrainian patriots were fighting in the ranks of Ukrainian Resistance Army” welcomed the Red army, which bled while liberating “their” country from their dear German allies? How did they welcome their compatriot Ukrainian and other Red army soldiers? They hid and started killing families of Ukrainian soldiers who joined Red Army, killing rear area soldiers, continued killing Polish civilians, they even killed General Vatutin( who Poroshenko “forgot” to mention) who led the liberation of their country.
All those who died for Nazi-free Ukraine would now be turning in their graves if they knew who speaks about them and with who he is comparing them to.
I need help. I am on a European internet site where it is denied there was a coup in the Ukrainian Rada. All links from early 2014 are appreciated. I saw members of Rada vote for members who where not present. This is very important.
Here are two parts of a study that lays out the groundwork of the coup.They were written pretty soon after it,so there is probably a lot more updated information.But still these were very detailed on how the “color revolution” was plotted.How they did it,and many of those governments,organizations,and people that were involved in it:
I may be wrong,but I think Putin said something very important on Ukraine today.I don’t think Putin is much “into” casual chitter-chatter and small talk.So I found this statement of his,possibly very telling.I think he just called on the Ukrainians to overthrow the junta (without exactly saying it).This is the main part of the report:
“President Vladimir Putin has said that the further development of the Ukrainian crisis depended on the patience of the Ukrainian people, who might one day decide to end the “bacchanalia” performed by the Kiev regime.
“This does not depend on us, this depends on Ukraine itself and on the Ukrainian people – on how long the Ukrainian people will be able to put up with this bacchanalia,” Putin said when asked by reporters if he had an opinion on future development of the events in Ukraine.
Putin added that in his view the Ukrainian people had reason to be discontent.
“I consider it an insult to the Ukrainian people that their country has been put under foreign management – all key positions in the government and now in regional administrations are now occupied by foreigners. Is it possible that Ukraine is lacking civilized and honest people and qualified managers? I think there are such people in this country.”
At the same time the president expressed confidence that eventually Ukraine will overcome the current political and economic crisis.
“I am sure that despite all difficulties of the current period the situation in Ukraine will also become normal and Ukraine will develop in a positive direction and move away from this disgraceful practice when a huge European country is being put under external management,” he said, adding that one day the Ukrainian people will give a due estimation to the current state of events.”
That certainly sounds like a subtle call for the people to throw the junta out to me.Hopefully the Ukrainians understand that message
yes, if the Ukraines in Kiev would begin to really fight, Russia in Donbass would probably be there too.
High tension. The Right Sector wants the war that the Minsk agreement prevents. The people have had it with Kiev. When the people move on the Rada so will the Right Sector. Then the Military has to split in essence-another civil war has to take place. The Donbass can move on Kiev and Unite the Country under circumstances sympathetic to Russia. Germany and France are Guarantors of the Minsk Agreement. The US would want the Right Sector to prevail and move on the Donbass draw Russia into the war so that Europe goes up in flames once again. The fly in the ointment is MInsk. As we can see things are not going well for the PNAC’ers. The EU is in tatters and in their hearts they know it is due to their own subservience. The war in the ME is coming home in the form of refugee’s. Sanctions are taking their toll on the EU already in economic crisis. Germany just got it’s Nord 2. The EU energy plan doesn’t seem to be a problem for them. Wailing and Gnashing of teeth can be heard in Bulgarian and Poland in particular. Greece said NYET to Uncle Sam! The balance of forces is tipping in Russia’s favour in the Ukraine and in the ME. The US is in election mode and will need a false flag at home to start a major offensive in Syria as boots on the ground now will cause civil unrest. American’s KNOW they were lied into a war with Iraq thus the reliance on ISIS proxy and the intelligence dept is raising cain about falsified reports. The worlds hope is that the US disintegrates internally before they can make a last ditch effort to complete PNAC-it is the same play as it always was-Europe down, Russia out and the US on top. LIke Nuland Said F the EU Well they are and their only hope is Russia, China and the New Silk Road. So what’s it gonna be? Do you feel lucky PUNK! And that is Putin holding the Magnum. I think the US plan has run it’s course. War is the mother of revolution after all and American boots on the ground in Syria will do it-I hope! And America CANNOT take Russia in a ground or air war in either theatre. Russian technology is superior and will prevail. The mobilization in the Heartland continues. Internal enemies are being outed as well as foreign front groups. The US HAS to act before Putin addresses the WORLD at the UN. He will speak the truth as we know it on this board. Most of the World outside the Western Orbit know the truth from experience. 50 coups since 1945 does not win you a lot of friends. Nor do colour revolutions. A drunk speaks more rationally than the US State Dept. Maintaining the lies have made them Schizoid. No one wants to Run off the edge of the cliff over the ranting of a madman. That is the position of the USA today. Let’s hope AND pray it ends soon. Agitate wherever you are.
I am in total shock (not really,but disappointed) that the Russian traitor Alexei Navalny is so brazen as to meet along with some of his other Russian 5th columnists with US Embassy officials in Kostroma.Out in public,busy committing treason.And he had to be exposed by a blogger.He wasn’t even stooped by the government.
so now there is evidence to deal with him again and break off diplomatic relations with USA accusing them of plotting regime change!
And here I thought Pornoshenko had sales of his chocolate products in Russia. If so it appears he either wishes to end this situation or someone else is writing his speeches for him and getting him to read them out. I am surprised he has survived as long as he has.
That is a very confusing point.I’ve heard (not sure though) that his sales in Russia are horrible.That many Russians won’t touch his chocolate.Someone said they changed the name and packaging to hide what the brand is.But I’m not sure on that.Though I can’t imagine what Russian would want to buy his product.There may be some 5th columnists that would.But no patriot would want to support him and put money in his pocket.As much as Russia is different from the US,sadly the two governments seem to have too much in common.It seems like, Russia has adopted the Western thinking, that if you deal with the elite only,it someone is a good thing.The last 24 years in Ukraine they did nothing positive to reinforce the ties between the peoples of Russia and Ukraine.And spend all their time and money making deals with the elite oligarchs.And what was the result of that.As soon as the West offered the oligarchs a bigger pay check they deserted Russia.You would think there had to be people in the Russian government that could figure out that “loyalty” trumps money 100% of the time.While almost all the so-called “pro-Russian” political leaders betrayed Russia.It was the common people of Novorossia,the “Russian World” people that have stood by her.Yet even today it seems the same click in Russia that was too blind to see facts is still calling the major shots on Ukraine.If they don’t “wise up”,they will end up losing the loyalty of the common people.And then they will have no one to support them.
Did I hear say that Poroshenko was a Jewish Oligarch ? Can that be true ?
I know he has an Israeli passport as well as a Ukrainian one, and perhaps a Russian one too, but what race is he ?
Poroshenko is of Jewish background.He supposedly either converted or was raised a Christian (I’m not sure which).His wife is Christian,and I believe he took her family name as his own (his Jewish name was Valzman or Walzman I believe).So I’m not sure the answer to your question actually.In the “ethnic” sense,he would be Jewish-Ukrainian.But in the religious way of looking at it,he would be Christian-Ukrainian.And if that isn’t confusing enough,he speaks Russian better than Ukrainian (and used to speak it more than Ukrainian).But mostly lived in West Ukraine.Nothing about “Ukrainian” identity is easy.
Parasha, you need a good slap. I get such a feeling of blood boiling whenever I hear one these Ukie idiots twisting facts and history. The collapse of Ukraine cannot come soon enough. I for one am not buying anything made in Ukraine. I am sorry that the normal people have to suffer, but that is the only to break the country and get a normal leader in charge.
I prefer Porky pig.