It is my immense pleasure to present to you today a booklet entitled “Q&A with a Chinese Friend” – a full length discussion of Chinese-Russian relations authored by Mr Unknown and myself. Considering the huge importance of the topic, we have decided to release this document in three languages – English, Russian and Chinese to make it possible for English, Russian and Chinese speakers to easily exchange the same document. As a result, the 63 pages booklet we are presenting to you today contains my questions to Mr Unknown, his replies, his questions to me and my replies to him, in all three languages.
One of our main goals was to debunk the propaganda campaign currently waged by the Empire against the Chinese-Russian alliance by directly and frontally asking each other hostile and, sometimes, outright stupid questions. While normally good manners and friendly intentions exclude that kind of ‘loaded’ questions, Mr Unknown and myself have decided to set aside our personal views and feelings for the sake of having the opportunity to debunk the lies spread by those who fear an alliance between our countries.
Needless to say, this took a lot of work. After we completed our Q&A, the text was edited, revised and then translated into Russian and Chinese, then edited again and then brought together into one booklet. And it was all done by dedicated, unpaid, volunteers on their so-called “free” time.
I am both grateful and proud that our community contributed this huge effort and did so within less than 2 months. To everybody involved – a huge THANK YOU!!!!
To make sure that I give you enough options to download and read this document, I have made it available on six different download locations:
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In addition to these, Mr Unknown will be making the Q&A available through the blog is contributes to, Hidden Harmonies: http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/. That should give you enough options to download the booklet regardless of your preferences, computer operating system or location.
Since this Q&A covers a lot of the current state of affairs I have decided to post it as a “SITREP” and not as an interview.
In conclusion, I would like to make a request: our goal, the goal of everybody involved, was to do what was in our power to promote peace, cooperation and friendship between Russia and China and, therefore, peace, cooperation and friendship for our entire planet. What you can do now to help us is to circulate this booklet as widely as you can, by email, on the social media, or even printed copies. This is something that only you can do: if you believe that our effort is worthwhile and our cause just – then please distribute our work as widely as you can (only free of charge, of course!).
Returning to regular study at your blog-site after about a year … Greetings !
Thank you very much for such a wonderful transparent discussion on China-Russia relationship.
Very timely piece, since the four-legged force of Russia-Kazakhstan-China-Iran with its foundation in Orthodox Christianity-Buddhism-Confucian Thoughts-Shia Islam can only steer the Eurasian landmass and (the world, indeed) towards peace and prosperity.
Wow, Smashing. What great no-holds-barred q&a on Russia and China’s win-win relationship!
Thank you for the Q&A and for the pointer to the HiddenHarmonies blog. The questions are great. Some of the answers feel a bit like wishful thinking, but I am grateful even for that. It helps me keep the hope that a better world is possible alive.
Can I make one critical comment? Mr. Unknown is of course entitled to his opinion on the historic claims of China to Tibet, and he may well be right. There were certainly times the Dalai Lama pledged allegiance to the Chinese emperor. And I’m not sure how you decide borders once you disregard self-determination. Nevertheless, the way he glosses over how China has enforced its sovereignty does him no credit. Otherwise, a very helpful Q&A.
Let’s keep it simple with respects to Tibet. Either State Sovereignty is respected by all nations, as enshrined in the UN charter, or it is not. Currently practically all countries of the world has accepted and recognized, even if grudgingly, that Tibet is part of China. Sure, there will always be people who want to change that, just like there are others who want to change borders elsewhere. If you want to play the game of “hey, I am not going to work with that country because it has part of xyz and xyz should be independent, etc etc”, well, it’s a game that no one will win.
I’m from Scotland. We’ve just had a referendum on independence. It can happen. I also wonder how these sovereign states that drew up the UN charter first came into existence, and whether the charter is to set everything in stone as of 1947… plus Israel… minus Biafra…plus Kosovo…Southern Sudan…. Still, you may be right. As I suggested, China has historical claims as well as a persuasive army. And the Dalai Lama was happy to cooperate with China as a young man, and as an old man has advocated a measure of autonomy short of independence.
All this is beside the point, however, which was simply that Mr. Unknown is disingenuous at best about how China has exercised sovereignty over Tibet. I prefer Westminster’s way with recalcitrant natives to Beijing’s.
Over-earnest clarification: Westminster’s way with the recalcitrant Scots now – not Westminster’s way with recalcitrant natives at any other time or place.
Ewan, that rather negates, if not completely, my previous comment.
Personally I have some sympathies with the Dalai. Unfortunately,it was his co-operation with the CIA that led to his downfall and exile. As such, it is only natural that Chinese view him as a traitor. Still, over the years, until about 10 years back, there had been rumors that he and the Chinese government were negotiating a way for him to go back to Tibet, obviously with him acknowledging that Tibet is fully a part of China. Unfortunately, his supporters would have none of it, to them, it’s free Greater Tibet or nothing. To be honest, he’s a now a prisoner of his own device, having built a “Hotel California” years back, a mistake that he cannot get out from…
Again, we can agree on the naivety of the Tibetans and their folly in expecting the CIA to come to their rescue. The Tibetans, like many other groups (Kurds, Palestinians etc.) are casualties of the Great Game plenty can sympathise with but no-one will help. It’s still beside the point I was making: Mr. Unknown is not honest in his account of how China enforced its claim to sovereignty.
I really don’t think you can claim that Mr. Unknown is “not honest”. How do you know what’s in his head? “not honest” suggests that he agrees that Tibet should be independent, I can tell you, go ask the Chinese and I think at least 80% of them would say not. Just to give an example, how many Serbs would agree with NATO that Kosovo should be an independent nation? would you say all those who disagree are dishonest? that’s ridiculous.
The Dalai’s ‘supporters’ are a generation of pro-Western thugs thoroughly brainwashed by the USA, like the Taiwanese. When you imagine that you have the world’s biggest and most murderous bullying thug backing you, you talk big. But the Yanks would drop the Tibetan revanchists in an instant if they thought it advantaged them.
Ewan, what about Westminster’s way with ‘recalcitrants’ in Iraq, Libya and Syria? Nothing the Chinese have done in Tibet comes close to those horrors. Moreover, if the Scottish Nationalists were controlled by foreign forces, also bent on hiving off Wales and Cornwall, who had trained Scots to carry out terror attacks and who intended turning Scotland into a forward base for the eventual destruction of England, do you think Westminster might have acted differently, say as they did in Northern Ireland, Kenya or Malaya?
Yes Mulga, you bring up a great point. Fact is that the Scotland vote did not ended up with a Yes, so who knows what happens if it turned out to be a Yes, and the winners really decided to scrap their nuclear weapons. Recent British History would suggest not a great outcome, don’t believe me, see this post about how and why Harold Wilson had to resign,for otherwise it would have been a full scale coup: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2015-09-20/army-plots-against-british-pms-are-not-new/
Fact is Democracy sounds great, but it’s not clear the West really has any of it left, may be they have “exported” it all to other countries via “regime change” and have none of it left. As PCR said, Democracy has departed the West: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/22/democracy-departed-west-paul-craig-roberts/
Ewan, China liberated Tibet from theocratic feudalism, serfdom and illiteracy, educated the masses, brought healthcare to them and all the contrivances of modern life. Some Tibetan bandits and reactionaries joined with the USA (the ‘Dalai’ has been a CIA asset since the 1950s)in subverting and attacking China, culminating in the uprising of 1959. The Dalai fled and has continued his role as US agent ever since. Possibly he has no choice. He refuses to accept China’s offer of return because his US controllers wish to carve China up, detaching Tibet, Xinjiang and ‘south Mongolia’ ie over half the country. The mark of the Dalai is the vicious repression of certain Tibetan Buddhist sects, and his total refusal to order his followers to cease the cruel self-immolations of dupes inside China, meaningless gestures no doubt concocted at Langley. The instant Tibet achieved ‘independence’ it would become a vast US base for subversion and aggression.
The area and people we think of as Tibet and Tibetans have been connected with China for many,many,centuries.The region (and related peoples) controlled other areas greater than today’s Tibet at times.Other Chinese provinces near today’s Tibet were included in some of the Kingdoms that arose there.In fact I believe I’ve read there are as many ethnic “Tibetans” in those areas as in Tibet itself.But over several thousand’s of years those areas became assimilated to China.And during the same several thousands of years “Tibet” was at various times part of China (more than not).A rule of thumb was,when China’s government was strong and united,Tibet was included.When China’s government was weak,and the country disunited,Tibet broke away.A close parallel in Europe to Tibet would be Brittany in France. Because of its history and location China would never allow Tibet to be an independent state.Today’s China is about “reuniting the Motherland of China”,not splitting it apart.The best Tibet can get is enhanced “autonomy”.But as long as China fears foreign meddling there,they won’t get that either.
Do you have any idea how the priestly caste treated the people of Tibet? Like human cattle, Chattle slavery is what they got from the Dali Lamas. China continues to give those not in the club a chance at a life outside of 7th century drudgery. The Dali Lama is nothing but a paid propagandist for Western Imperialism.
dear the saker & mr unknown & the saker community,
thank you so much for an excellent overview of sino-russian relations & the debunking of many false narratives carved out by the elites & the MSM & certainly the ‘fifth column’ in russia proper, congratulations!
racism takes many forms & is indeed present in russia itself, having experienced it firsthand to my great regret in the 1990s (& of course the russia of then & now are creatures of different stripes e.g. the inauguration of the grand mosque in central moscow), but I think then that I only met ‘liberals’ rather than narod, who would ask for forgiveness (not from me but from God himself) when uttering these opinions in a oblique manner, let us all struggle as the above mentioned persons to promulgate this document which is crucial to counter the false narratives & contribute to the critical issue of our times, that is the defeat of the hegemon & the attainment of world peace,
& now I raise a toast to president putin & president xi!!
Our talk about Tibet has rather flared up into I don’t know what. Plenty heat, not much light; counterfactuals aplenty, but few facts; wild allegations and comic book history; determined misreadings of what I said.. And in amongst it all some perfectly reasonable points worth debating.
I will simply repeat my one criticism of Mr. Unknown.
He says there can’t have been anything untoward because there are more Tibetans now than in the 1950s. That this is unsound should be obvious: there are more Jews than in 1939 and more Palestinians than in 1947.
He says that there has been no cultural genocide because Tibetans are now literate. I agree the word “genocide” is now so politicised as to be useless. Again, that the argument is unsound should be obvious. To take a much milder example: Butcher Cumberland pacified the Highlands of Scotland, but within a century literacy had risen considerably. And a much more extreme example: the American Indians on their reservations are literate.
I have no problem with Mr. Unknown defending China’s claim to sovereignty over Tibet, nor with arguments of realpolitik for pacifying the population and seeking to extirpate Buddhism (in the 1950s and 60s), nor with boasts about material and educational progress (indeed the Dalai Lama in the late 1940s looked on China as a means to bring Tibet out of feudal backwardness and into the 20th century).
What I object to is the pretence the brutality and slaughter and the attempts to extirpate Tibetan culture just didn’t happen because there are plenty of Tibetans around now and they can all read and write.
There are plenty of Palestinians and they are well educated. But Israel is a sovereign state, recognised by the UN as such, and the Palestinians persist with terrorist attacks upon it and ally themselves with the terror state of Iran which seeks the destruction of Israel. What sovereign state would do other than Israel? And there are plenty of Palestinians and they can read and write, so nothing to see here.
*What I object to is the pretence the brutality and slaughter and the attempts to extirpate Tibetan culture just didn’t happen because there are plenty of Tibetans around now and they can all read and write.*
six decades of cia propaganda has turned fact over its head,
there’s an army of brainwashed do gooders out there !
china has the most liberal policies on minorities , period.
*full subsidisation in economy,
*free of tax,
*exemption from natonal policy such as the one child rule,’
which applies only to the hans…
i challenge china baiters to find one place on earth with matching
goodies to the minorities, so far no takers, they couldnt find anything in those alleged democracies that even come close .
Are you equally enthusiastic about the Chinese Communist Party’s every twist and turn in China proper? (As an exercise, try it out decade by decade.) Or is it only in the borderlands that it has done no wrong? Just because you approve of China and disapprove of the US, you don’t have to claim one all-good and those who foolishly sought the help of the other all-bad. Anyway, much of the official record in China, the US, and India has been published and studied by historians. It’s worth reading.
im calling out the cia bs which u’ve been parroting here,
tibet is hardly the land of *brutal suppression and slaughters*,
china has THE most liberal policies in minorities which should garner a nobel prize no less.
so my challenge stand undefeated.
im not so sure what u’r getting at in your reply,
but sounds like u’r changing goal post ?
u mention india,
if u’r into human rights and independence movement, u ought to know that india has even more independence movements than china, namely sikhs, kashmir, the seven sisters …..the lot,
are u familiar with the afspa law applied in these restless districts ?
this begs the question,
why aint such issues highlighted, whereas practically every western countries, especially the unitedsnake, has a office for the exiled cia asset dalai lama led movement ?
every time when china is discussed, almost on cue the question of tibetan and increasingly xingjiang would pop up, this doesnt happen to india, or turkey with its kurds problems, or indonesia with similarly myriad separatists movements like west puapa, or the unitedsnake where indigenuous americans [ or whats left of it] are languishing in reservations and puerto rico activists are either murdered or rotting in jail, or uk who ethnic cleansed wholesale the chagosians to far away slums to make way for the notorious diego garcia military base ?
why is tibet, which enjoys preferential treatments unparalled anywhere in the world ,always in the gun sight of the western govn, media and assorted activists ?
if you know anything about geopolitics, should’ve guessed the answer by now.
scratch the surface of any unrest, mayhem , bloodshed , crisis in the world, chances are u’d uncover the dark hands of uncle sham. !!!
i definitely never say china is all good or tibetans are all bad , where did u get that idea from ?
but im damn sure, compared to the scheming,cunning, ruthless, bloodthirsty unitedsnake, china almost looks like an angel !
I mention India only as one of the main parties along with China to events in the 1950s.
I agree with more or less everything you say here.
The “all-good” versus “all-bad” was indeed a rhetorical flourish too far in regards to what you said previously. One clarification: you appear to be talking about the situation now; I was talking about the whole period from the late 1940s.
thank you for an amicable and fruitful dialog. !
The only reason I responded to your earlier post is because you insisted on using words like “dishonest” to describe Mr. Unknown. If you had simply said “biased” or “not objective”, I don’t think I would have bothered. I don’t know Mr. Unknown, but I think he spent a lot of effort with the Saker on that piece, and I just don’t think it’s fair for you to tarnish him like that.
Let’s move on to your topics:
” the American Indians on their reservations are literate”. – How many of them actually still speak their Indian language? I would be surprised if there are many. In fact, most of the “Indians” I see in the media ( I did not have the pleasure of meeting any, despite being in the USA for 30 years) look completely “White”, and except for some occasional wearing of headress and beating of drums, it’s impossible to see they are different from Whites. Sure, they would say they are 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 or even 1/64 “Indian”. To be honest, if I am simply 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 Chinese, I would feel extremely guilty to say I am Chinese. I hate to think bad of people, but I think many of them just claim to be Indians so they can help cash in on the Indian Casinos riches.
And what about Israel? do you really want to compare how Israel treats Palestinians with the Tibetans in China? Here’s a link on a Western infiltrated site Wikipedia on the incorporation of Tibet into China, it is I believe the Worst case depiction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_Tibet_into_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
[As a side note, I encourage everyone to check out what the wikipedia says about RT. I asked someone close to me to watch RT instead of MSM stations, after a while, she came back with “Eeww, Wikipedia says many negative things about RT, it’s a Russian propaganda machine”. sigh, I go check and yes, it’s terrible what’s in wikipedia about RT, but I digress.]
Israel started it’s war with Palestine since 1949, it has lasted till now. The “invasion” of Tibet lasted months.
1. Does Israel spends billions building Infrastructure to better the lives of inhabitans in Palestine, like the Chinese do to Tibet, answer: resounding NO. Infact, everynow and then Israel will purposely withhold funds, enforce both land and sea blockade to spread hunger and Terror and Death to Palestinians; occassionally bombing randomly, using forbidden ammunition, etc etc
2. Does Israel have equal treatments for Palestinians before the law? again no, Palestinians are quickly deprived of the homes if convicted, unlike Jews in Israel. Many people recognize Israel is practicing Apartheid, just too afraid to say so publicly, one exception is Jimmy Carter.
3. Contrast that with the Chinese who actually gave Tibetans preferences to university education, exemption from 1 child policy, teaching their own Tibetan language so the Tibetan language is not lost (side note: this actually happened to the Manchus, not through deliberate policy, but the Muchus simply became fully assimilated, and lost their language, just like the Indians in USA).
Is this enough for you? Fact is by now every time I hear “genocide”, “oppression” etc from the West, I roll my eyes now, because I have heard it too many times, only as a pretext for regime change….
I agree entirely with your last sentence.
On “dishonest”: I think Mr. Unknown knowledgeable. That’s why his responses to the Saker’s questions are so useful. Also why his sleight of hand on Tibet can’t be entirely honest. I would have had no problem with his defence of China’s incorporation or re-incorporation of Tibet if he had acknowledged how it happened. (Would you want him to be similarly economical with the Cultural Revolution or the Great Leap forward?)
On Native Americans and the Palestinians: you mistake my meaning, which is no doubt my fault. I simply intended to show that what Mr. Unknown says is not valid. Current population size or literacy provide no proof of anything. I did not attempt a point by point comparison of them and Tibetans.
(I’m do not have the detailed knowledge of demographics to comment on what you say about bogus Native Americans.)
Alan, with respect to Native Americans, to put it politely you are as one of the blind men touching the elephant. There is a daily radio program in the US that covers a large network of native affairs – “Native America Calling” that I am sure can be accessed online.
I live in the southwest, and I can assure you native dialects are alive and well here, as is local governance for the tribes and villages. When I ride the bus to shop I hear those languages being spoken by young and old.
I am also familiar with the plight of the Tibetans in exile hereabouts. What is not mentioned in the criticisms is the destruction of religious affiliations caused by China’s annexation of Tibet. We may compare, if you like, how Putin has embraced Russia’s Muslim heritage to the extent of celebrating the rebuilding of the Moscow temple complex. For Buddhists in Tibet, (never mind the CIA meddlings or whatever) the historical record is even stronger – their faith does (however we may ignore or reject it) form an integral part of their culture, and it has been truncated, with the present Dalai Lama in ill health and quite probably the last of his line. He has many American followers. These are not CIA dupes but practitioners of an ancient faith. It is not a monotheistic faith, but it is to be admired as one of the great religions of the world nonetheless.
this lady has got an attitude ;-)
*never mind the CIA meddlings or whatever*
u admit cia meddling but saying its no big deal ?
u support unitedsnake’s incessant meddling  all over the world ?
are u a neocon ?
.state terrorism is merely meddling in your book,
how charming, !
Wow! Thank you for posting such a great article!
Just sticking to the facts that I know to be true from personal experience I will say that the statistics about Tibet are completely misrepresented. I do not wish to speculate if Mr. Unknown is patriotically following the party line or just isn’t aware of the real facts but the reality of Tibet is the following:
– Tibet always was a separate neighbouring country and a separate people with its own culture, language and writing. China always tried to be master over Tibet – sometimes with partial success – but the large majority of Tibetans always wanted to be left alone to go their own way. Finally in 1950 China invaded its peaceful and non-threatening neighbour and declared it to be part of China.
– At the time of conquest Tibet was a huge territorial gain for China (~40% of the previous Chinese territory). To make this situation less obvious China quietly included large parts (about half if my memory serves) of the conquered territory into neighbouring Chinese provinces. The remaining half was called “Tibet Autonomous Region” and this is implicitly presented as the former “Tibet” by China. So the affirmation that the “Tibetan” population has tripled is a crass misrepresentation: due to brutal Chinese repression the Tibetans lost ~1 million dead in the years after the conquest but their population is by now again around 7 million, somewhat similar to what is was before the conquest.
– Cultural genocide: Literacy was indeed restricted to the upper classes in the Tibetan theocracy because the Tibetan religious hierarchies (i.e. the ruling 1%) had the same problems (abuse of power) as the ruling 1% in all human cultures. But the Tibetan language was never suppressed while today under Chinese rule the Tibetan language is suppressed in the official schools, private Tibetan language schools are closed, the Tibetan patriots who want to keep their culture and language alive are tortured and killed and the Tibetans who try to flee are being shot at by Chinese troops and those who make it alive to Nepal are returned to Tibet by the Nepalis who want to please China. As to the religion which is the central part of Tibetan culture it is also suppressed – over 90% of the monasteries have been closed or destroyed and the nuns and monks are tortured and slaughtered at the smalled protest. This torturing is so widespread that the Tibetans have resorted to protests by self-immolation – but this is not understood by the uninformed. All of these facts can be checked at any Tibet-support organization in any country that you like (even in a Chinese country like Singapore). The members of these organizations are not government shills but normal and honest private people, who spend their own time and money for a cause that they find worthwhile. Many of them have been to Tibet and/or India and personally know Tibetans and their plight. I have been an executive member of a Tibet-support organization for several years – I have been to India, I have sponsored a Tibetan student, I have inspected the books of our Tibet-support organization and I have seen (among others) the expenses for torture rehabilitation every year. It so happens that I also have a long-standing and strong relationship with some Chinese families who came to Europe as refugees some 30 years ago and so I am also aware of the huge difference between the Tibetan and Chinese mindsets. In my experience most of the Tibetans are much too honest for their own good while the Chinese mostly consider dissembling as a normal survival (and conquest) reaction and even as a science.
In conclusion I consider the statements of Mr. Unknown about Tibet as completely baseless. While I am not religious myself and while I am distrustful of ALL hierarchies (religious, industrial, political or whatever) I still feel that every culture has a right to find its own way (for example the Tibetan 99% including the lower-level monks and nuns stick to the values of their religion) and so, from the facts that I know, I personally feel that Tibet is indeed being culturally destroyed and I strongly disagree with the Chinese policies of language suppression, of torturing and killing (which are endemic in Tibet) which I personally consider to be crimes against humanity. And the fact that no country dares to recognizes Tibet is simply because they are afraid of Chinese reactions – “might is right” is the message here. And if China wants to see an example of friendly relationship with a neighbouring country it needs only to look at Russia which is not taking away the territory of Ukraine or Khazakstan or whatever but explicitly states the idea that every culture has the right to go its own way. This should apply to Tibet too. And if the Tibetans feel that their religious way is better than the Chinese materialistic way – the proof is in the pudding isn’t it so let them prove it and let their young generations freely turn to the future that they like best.
As for the relationship between Russia and China I think that these two cultures are extremely different – but for the moment they indeed need each other and we can only hope that this situation will last.
P.S.: Greetings to my (former) friends at the Vineyard. I am not posting here anymore partly for reasons of time but I am sometimes lurking here checking the headings and the Q&A post caught my attention. And since I know Tibetans as well as Chinese from long personal experience I wanted to clarify a few real facts. I know this post will draw a number of comments, especially by people who have no direct personal experience of the situation and especially no direct personal experience of the mindsets involved but I also know there are a few who understand the situation and who care. I will respond to knowlegeable comments but I am not interested in renewing the long and mostly fruitless discussions that we had a year or two ago. The best of luck to all of us.
You wasted a lot of time writing such a long diatribe that was less than convincing. We are in the age of internet one can easily find the correct info of today’sTibet.
Tibet is developing in leaps and bound with a very generous support not only from Central government but also from many local governments of different provinces in all sorts of area conducive to the development of Tibet in China.
I could safely say as confirmed by many foreign tourists and scholars alike that Tibetans in Tibet are living a much better and more dignified life than Tibetans living in Nepal or Dharamsala India. To corroborate with what I’ve said you need to do the work yourself.
The Q&A made reference to the ‘Tiananmin massacre’ of 1989.
But that was a complete myth. Even the western journalists who spread the lie back then have later admitted it. Violent provocateurs killed police officers elsewhere and the authorities struck back so there was that kind of blodshed, but the students at Tiananmin square were all transported away safely.
Yes, CIA fingerprints all over this student protest. The students’ leaders were smuggled out of China the moment the movement found to be a failure.
Many of the protesting students speaks openly nowadays and admits how naive they were at that time.
An excellent piece of information. Just one minor comment with regard to the comparison of number of civilians killed by the Empire Administration and the Chinese Administration. What has portrayed is not convincing to me as it is not comparing like with like. It has even included casualties of ‘traffic accident’ involving US Police in the statistics! This comparison has to some extent discredited the entire article, which could still stand well either without this comparison or with a better and more convincing comparison.