I just watched a video for a neighbor of Motorola who explains that Motorola had no real protection, that it was easy to enter his building, that it was easy to enter into the elevator shaft and place a bomb there. As for using a remotely controlled device, it was easy to build even for amateurs. Bottom line: even poorly trained amateurs could have killed Motorola.
Okay, the first time around I did not bother to go into details about all this, but since clearly there are a lot of people who don’t see the elephant in the room, I will have to explain a couple of things.
First, how is security done?
The first level of security is intelligence. You monitor all those who could conduct a terrorist attack. You also infiltrate your agents in their networks to be informed of what they are up to. In our case, both the Novorussians and the Russians failed to do that. How do I know that? Motorola is dead.
The second level of security is counter-intelligence. You specifically monitor and try to smoke out those in the territory under your responsibility who might want to collaborate with the enemy.
These two first levels are invisible and to not involved the actual protection of facilities or persons.
I will readily admit that the Novorussian MGB (state security) might not have enough agents and contacts in the SBU and Ukie death squads to be capable of doing this kind of counter-terrorism work. But the Russians? The SVR, the GRU and even the FSB probably have eyes and ears everywhere in the Ukraine, for them it’s “home turf” and they have all the contacts for that. And to those who would say “well, maybe they don’t” I will simply reply that if they don’t, then Putin ought to fire all the heads of the SVR, GRU and FSB and replace them by competent people. But, of course, I am sure that they do have such capabilities, along with world-class signal intelligence, communication interception, etc.
The third level of protection is area protection. The DNR MBG should have had eyes and ears in the neighborhood and building where Motorola lived. Well, let me rephrase that – Motorola had not business living in a “regular” building to being with. He should have been moved to a secured facility. But IF he was outside, even visiting his friends or relatives, this entire neighborhood and building should have been monitored. At the very least, the entrance of Motorola’s building and all the floors above should have been secured. All this could have been done inconspicuously or visibly, that does not really matter. For example, his neighbors should have been warned about the risks and paid to immediately call an emergency if anything suspicious – like elevator repairs – was taking place. Even children playing in the yard can be very effective “alarm systems”. What does matter is that all of the above steps are standard operating procedures for any official living in a zone of potential terrorist activity.
Some of those who lived near Morotola are now blaming those who like me ask questions for “spreading crazy rumors” and “making up stories” while having no understanding of the reality of Donetsk. They say that we don’t have proof of our allegations. But, of course, we have. Not only is Motorola dead, but everybody admits that he had zero protection! What other evidence is needed to speak of gross incompetence and criminal negligence?
If those who say that all the SBU had to do is hand over some explosives and a wad of cash to a local person to set this bomb and murder Motorola are correct, then the bottom line is painfully obvious:
The DNR authorities are clearly not capable of protecting their own leaders
Those who go to great lengths and explain in great detail why Motorola was such an easy target apparently don’t realize that they make my case stronger since, by their own admission, Motorola was not protected. And that is the real disgrace, not asking questions about his death!
Only a series of failures could have made it possible for the Ukrainians to murder Motorola: a failure in intelligence work, followed by another failure of counter-intelligence work, following by a criminally negligent attitude towards the protection of officials. And yet – did anybody get fired? demoted? even gently admonished? Nope! Are any of the neighbors of Motorola now loudly demanding that those who made this murder possible be identified and punished? Nope! How about all the other cases when senior Novorussian figures were murderd, was anybody held accountable? Were procedures changed? Did investigations reveal the many systemic flaws with resulted in such a lax security? No, of course not.
If that had been done, Motorola would still be alive today.
So it that simple, really. If the Novorussians can’t get the job done, then the Russians need to come in, take over, and train the locals. I for sure don’t want to hear that Givi or Zakharchenko were killed next due to the failures of “Babushka security”. That is why I ask questions and will continue to ask questions: because I want things to change. Those who don’t want questions asked are basically voting for more of the same, whether the understand that or not.
I really love those pics you choose.
Where do you get those?
As far as I’m seeing this, Russian Intel did not digest this event smoothly.
I saw a division there an that’s not good at all.
Many thanks for this blog. You are my international Luis Nassif that is the guy that enlightened me about internal affairs here is Brazil.
Sorry about my English. I’m getting better now that I read more English than my own one.
Time is always a factor against any security.
With time, sooner or later, hits may come.
So dragging/freezing a war out over long duration, is almost suicide for big “brand” names.
As long as the warzone was frozen, then sadly most of the very famous leaders dhould have temporary relocated to safer places in Russia.
Because they would all die in ukraine if given enough time.
Saker, to me it sounds like Motorola felt save and at home. I guess because he was clean with himself about what he did. I would behave similarly for as long as I enjoy to look straight into the mirror each morning.
I agree that there is war and terror. Hence, I sounds absurd to neglect security at first glance. But would you submit yourself to the laws of terror, get intimidated and watch every step, or would you shrug shoulders and quietly point the middle-finger to the terrorists by not subordinating your daily life to their regime? For what little I know, Motorola chose to point fingers, and with him many citizens of Donbass.
Marcel, I deeply feel with you
im my hearts depth
and with Arsen and friends
and friends friends
and all their wifes and children
the civil innocence of the Donbass
families threatened to be
crucified by the dragon of the West
Nice mundanomaniac, but Europa is a bull, I think the Chinese have cornered the Dragon market. I think bull in a china shop isn’t a bad metaphor for the West these days. The matadors are massing.
Thanks mundanomaniac for your empathy.
Que sera, sera?? Whatever will be, will be??
I’m sorry, but fatalism is a form of right brain emotional imbalance, like neglecting to maintain arms and other equipment, preferring to chance having it break down or jam just when your position is being assaulted.
Precautions and vigilance are not “submitting to terror”. They are adjustments to reality. The side that adjusts the most and keeps adjusting and improving wins. The side that blows it off for another day loses men, initiative, morale, etc.
There is a reasonable median between living by, not ‘living’ in, a 100% secured bomb shelter in Russia, and proceeding as though the war is over, when it isn’t… and dying.
Better to visit a lot of friends and family and ‘feel’ safe, when you ARE safe (i.e. when the war is over), and not pretend otherwise while the war is still on.
I’m just a civilian, with no military training or experience. But I have experience with the right and wrong attitudes with regard to the sea, which will catch you off guard and kill you, sooner rather than later, if you are too nonchalant about its power, and don’t fully prepare yourself and your vessel well before you leave port. That attention to detail does not detract from a life at sea. When you have done all you reasonably can do there is more confidence and less nagging worry IMHO. There is then more reason to enjoy fair weather, and less need to fear a storm that you could not avoid, once you are stuck riding one out.
I think we need a balance between accepting destiny (call it fatalism, if you like) and careful preparation to weather down to foreseeable situations, Bro.
I know a bit about the sea too. Preparations are well due, but there is little we can do if we are unlucky enough to encounter a freak wave. Being in the focus of human adversaries means that chances are much in favor of the adversary. Either one spends a silly amount of time and effort to maximize security – without much effect if the adversary is really determined – or one accepts the potential outcome and invests the saved resources in more promising aims.
For instance, in the Internet and media, many people choose to stay anonymous or use an alias. I can understand it because publicity easily becomes noxious for career and safety. However, as I think that free speech, democracy and human dignity cannot be defended in shying away, I comment with my real name and accept the consequences.
Oh. Well that makes the elephant much clearer. Now what do you do now that you can see it? As you conclude, I guess the Russians will have to provide their expertise. Thanks for the explanation, Saker.
Didn’t the Ukrops recently assassinate a high-profile Novorussian activist deep within Russia? Did they catch his murderer yet?
Yes, they did. Good point. There was one case, though there were other explanations for that. But yes, it is possible that in this case the Russians failed to detect and stop a Ukrainian terrorist group.
I remember the blue eyed communads of Paris …
the communards of donbass seem to be of a similar stuff
yes mother rossia keep the cubs
theirs is the innocent policy of non – professionals, heroes included,
all that Sakers are seeing in their flights is daed serious to the
only this to add to sakers flight above the planetary vineyard
I understand Saker’s talk
if it’s possible to murder
Yelena Kolenkina’ s husband
then it’s possible to murder
any bold babushka and her niece
this war cry has to spread
into the east
and in the west’s orwellian
These are beautiful poems, mundanomaniac – the thoughts in them, carrying even more beauty than the words that express them! I read through your essays about Nov. 8. Much to reflect on there. Once again, I am grateful to you for sharing your perspective.
“the Russians will have to provide their expertise”
And if the “self-proclaimed” Independent state of Donbass refuses it?
The World Sitrep hinted at this, I thought. And I have no clue how they would respond to that!! Maybe a case for Russian diplomacy?
Another commentator suggested Hezbollah as a source for guidance which I thought was very smart. As that commentator pointed out, who would be more challenging to counter than Mossad?
“But the Russians? The SVR, the GRU and even the FSB probably have eyes and ears everywhere in the Ukraine, for them it’s “home turf” and they have all the contacts for that. And to those who would say “well, maybe they don’t” I will simply reply that if they don’t, then Putin ought to fire all the heads of the SVR, GRU and FSB and replace them by competent people.”
Yes, the Russians have so many “eyes and ears everywhere in the Ukraine” that, even when there was a relatively friendly government towards Russia, they apparently had no idea that fighting batallions of “protesters” were being trained in Poland, that snipers were going to be brought in to shoot at people and police, and that in general a violent coup under the guise of “revolution” was being planned right in front of those watchful Russian “eyes”.
When Yanukovych was tricked by the plotters into withrwawing its police as a condition to agree to stop the revolt in return for early elections, the watchful Russians could not even advise Yanukovych how horrible an idea that was.
One of the main reasons the Ukraine is in the mess it is right now and has become festering pain in the ass to Russia, is precisely the monumental failure of the Russian intelligence services to properly detect what was going on, and warn and advise the chronically weak Ukrainian government about how to prevent it when they still had time.
Perhaps the reason Putin did not fire and replace all those people with others more competent, is that there is nobody to replace them with.
Russians knew everything. Russians wanted the coup d’etat to take place. They’ve been feeding Ukraine for decades now, and all they did in return was bite the hand that feeds them. With small exceptions like people of Crimea and few other parts of Ukraine.
Ukraine will belong to Russia, as NATO can go to hell and take Galicia with them. Ukraine will belong to Russia when Russia decides to claim it all. Let this current situation in Ukraine continue for just a while longer, and the poor Ukrainian will be begging Putin to send in the “local self-defense forces” in green armor with no insignia.
Regions will be formed, referendums will be organized, and vote will be 97% in favor of whatever Russia wants. That’s how Russia does it.
Unlike 2014, and maybe even 2015, in 2017 no sane Ukrainian will fight for nazis, thieves, drunks, pimps, whores, and all other assorted degenerates that make up the Ukrainian ruling elite.
The coup d’etat in “the Ukraine” cost the empire more than they could ever imagine. The NATO military build-up in Eastern Europe will continue in order to keep those peoples subdued to the empire. It will be funny watching them shit themselves when Russia actually makes a move in Ukraine.
They didn’t want it, nor the armed resistance in Donbass, I think. But they couldn’t really stop it either. But they did want to stop them in Crimea. Putin warned http://tass.com/russia/722008 against withdrawing the police.
You’re right the Nazi (Anglotalmudist) Empire is losing, Ukraine will soon be free.
“the monumental failure of the Russian intelligence services to properly detect what was going on,”
How do you know that? Perhaps there was no failure at all. Considering the overwhelming evidence pointing towards an engineered coup (it was so brazenly open!) it is hard to believe that the Russian security services and leadership did not know what was going on in Ukraine.
they apparently had no idea that fighting batallions of “protesters” were being trained in Poland, that snipers were going to be brought in to shoot at people and police, and that in general a violent coup under the guise of “revolution” was being planned
Nonsense. They new it all and even the media reported on that.
Yes Putin knew that the coup was coming to the ukraine region. He likewise knew Berlin, Paris, DC, Warsaw, London were planning all of it in real time in the lead up.
Think about this Saker…the intercepted Nuland/Pyatt communications were captured in real time…
Do you agree with that..?
Does the penetration of Ashdowns telecoms evidenced by the leaking of her “Oh, Gosh, I hadn’t heard that” chat with a certain FM point to fast work by GRU in aftermath of the Maidan coup or does it point instead to real time monitoring of the conspiracy throughout planning and execution.?
We agree again.!
In Judo one takes hold of the opponent.
Judo mirrors the grinding truth of war.
The engagement was not accidental.
And fortune this go around seems ready to favor the brave.
As for Motorola…he may have thought he was showing everyone that all was and will be OK, or, he was at pains to maintain an aloofness regarding the current power structure in Novorussya and may have blocked certain initiatives, or, he may have initially provided his own security from his battalion but tapered it off over time or the August holidays brought flaccidity to what may once have been a rigid routine. He is dead. That is quite sad.
”Yes, the Russians have so many “eyes and ears everywhere in the Ukraine” that, even when there was a relatively friendly government towards Russia, they apparently had no idea that fighting batallions of “protesters” were being trained in Poland, that snipers were going to be brought in to shoot at people and police, and that in general a violent coup under the guise of “revolution” was being planned right in front of those watchful Russian “eyes”.”
Have to agree with this analysis. I had been visiting the country between 2006 and 2012 – for family reasons. I was married in Donetsk in 2010 and my wife and myself travelled west for a honeymoon in a resort in the foothills of the Carpathians, Chelministky. An interesting thing happened on the train journey. A group of young men boarded the train in Dnepropetrovsk. They were all fit looking in their 20s and could have been an amateur football (soccer) team. My wife was talking to them and they described themselves as ‘students’ on their way home. Interestingly, there were no female students, among them, and they were on the way home to Lviv, Ivano-Frankivst and Ternopil in the far west of the country. They were carrying flags with them and in the middle of the night a fight broke out among these soi-disant ‘students’. Then things began to fall into place. Right Sector had their training camps in Dnepropetrovsk, and these were the shock troops of the Maidan going home for the summer. I was a foreigner in this country and didn’t speak the language, but I could see what was going on, difficult to miss it as it was right under my nose. I also noticed the number of young men in fatigues in western Ukraine. If I could see this, what was Russian intelligence doing – other than apparently being asleep at the wheel? The whole thing had been brewing since the first colour revolution in 2004 headed by Yushchenko and Tymoshenko with lavishly funded NGOs – including most importantly the NED. I also remembered that Dnepropetrovsk was in Tymoshenko’s manor.
Thus the US pulled Ukraine – possibly temporarily – out Russia’s sphere of influence and installed a rabidly Russophobic neo-nazi, oligarch regime. This is not the first time this has happened. Barbarossa was another.
I don’t see any elephant in this room.I see two Donbas republics that are different both from Ukraine and Russia. And the gap is increasing more and more as the time passes.
Yes, Arseniy Pavlov lived in a rented appartment and did not have proper protection as per the three outlined levels. But those levels of protection(and more) of the leaders apply to USA leaders, Russian leaders, Ukrainian leaders, German leaders etc. It does not apply to Novorussia. It is people like Arseniy that are protecting there people like the babushka in the photo, not vice versa.
I would never underestimate any Russian babushka with an axe….. These charming and strong babushkas, who survived the hardness and destruction of WWI,I would be better fighters than many young people who fled when things started smelling rare or “super armchair warriors, researchers, military or intelligence analysts” of any kind, in these blog and beyond…..
Elsi, you are probaly right about babushka… but I mean that people like Pavlov, Zakharchenko, Givi see their duty is to protect not to be protected. It is a diferrent mentality.
Well said, elsi, just what I thought also.
I am glad (and I think we all are), that the Saker keeps the murder of Motorola at the forefront of the news. I hope it will remain so until we have, at least, a coherent pinpointing of the parties behind the murder – of course short of the capture of the assassins, which would be the best.
Still, in the context of these events, I was appalled this morning to read – in “La Stampa”, one of the leading Italian dailies – an article claiming that the Donbass “is fighting to liberate itself from Russian oppression.” Suggesting that the Donbass is full of patriotic Ukrainians who work to liberate the region from Russia.
Then there is a list of people who ‘volunteer’ to send massive aids to the ‘people of Donbass’ from the Ukraine. The reader is left guessing (or assuming) that these humanitarian aids go to Donbass residents who wish to rejoin Ukraine.
I also discovered a website with two versions, Russian and English, stopfake.org, whose stated aim is to tell the truth about Ukraine, and unmask Russian lies. The director is Benjamin Cohen (nomen omen). And in the English version I found the following,
“The StopFake community does not represent or support any political party, commercial organization, or government.
This ongoing project relies on viewer support. In 2015, StopFake also received financial support from the International Renaissance Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic. Nevertheless, StopFake maintains its editorial independence: the organizations and governments supporting the project stipulate how funds are allocated, but not StopFake’s content.”
I cannot help conflating the events of this week – namely the financial terror act against RT in England, the “battle for Mosul” – aimed at shifting ISIS forces into Syria, the cutting off of Assange access to the Internet, the US refusal to let ISIS flee from Aleppo, and, of course the assassination of Motorola – into a recrudescence of 4th generation warfare, so far successfully conducted by the Anglo-Talmudists against the world at large.
As the ‘election’ of the queen of f…k bitches looms large, I am beginning to wonder if a world war is the only instrument left available to eliminate the progressing cancer of mankind. Or at least, “… to die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to…”
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I see evil winning.
“Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I see evil winning”
I understand the feeling. There is a consolation though: from the ashes of the conflagration a resistant life form will emerge and start again the process of repopulating the Earth and eventually in a few billion years a new form of intelligent life will study the archaeological remains of an earlier civilization. Perhaps not orthodox Hegelian, but who cares?
Many times enter myself in such a thoughts struggle, trying to define the sense of the fighting between good and evil in this world. But I also know and we all know that the fight against the evil cannot be given up. Motorola was such a fighter, he knew from the beginning that he’s gonna die one day and he accepted the rules of the battle. Of course, his death circumstances were at least embarrassing and left a bad feeling behind in our hearts and minds. My view is the same : probably this evil cannot be eradicated just and only with a great war, maybe the last one. I understand Putin’s way of thinking in this sense, he tries to avoid the greater war which will lead to tremendous destruction everywhere. He also sees that he has no “partners” to talk with like with normal people. A very great dilemma, moreover when these “partners” don’t show any sign of stopping their pursuit to achieve their goals.
OK. with security that bad, all the hit squad folks need to do is coordinate timing and targets and they could do major damage in one fell swoop.
Besides, even a neighborhood watch on a simple, very low level of security needs some leadership, some direction and most importantly accurate threat assessment (some responsibility) as well as effective communication/coordination with those who can handle an acute situation.
Thanks for the link, so, he is recognized as “dead” and “Hero of the DNR” by Putin´s personal aid ( I would say right hand who always sit by himself at the Minsk meetings tables, why this would be, no? ), and so, by Mr. Putin and The Kremlin officials loyal to him.
Also, thanks to your link to dninews I have read the official statements, including honouring minutes dedicated to the “hero of DNR” Arsen Pavlov, call sign “Motorola”, by DNR Defense Minister, Mr.Kononov, in the same sense.
Did you know that Mr. Surkov is a Virgo Autumm Equinox?….. Just like me….Yes,it seems that the man resulted having been born, accidentally, in Chechenia, or me here, but. really, we are almost twins……
With this, the only I wanted to mean is that the man is “hard to peel”….Still remember when, in one of the moments of fatigues the US have passed in their looping crap of war they provoked in the Ukraine, how Galletas MacNuland came in a hurry, almost even without making herself up a bit, to Kaliningrad airport? ( not remember well if that was the place…. ), in the hope that Mr. Putin himself would go to meet her, to find that who finally appeared was….. Mr. Surkov! LOL.
BTW, since I was not posting here on that date, congratulations Mr. Surkov on your birthday last month, wish you many healthy years and that I could also see them!
“DPR Defence Minister comments on Motorola’s death, ongoing situation in Republic”
Elsi, I’ve missed your comments in this blog. Is there any way I could communicate with you (in our own native language)?
“Arsen Motorola Pavlov was killed on Sunday night in Donetsk. This commander of Sparta battalion was blown up in the lift in his own home. The device, with an explosive capacity of 1.5 kg, was set by Ukrainian saboteurs. The homemade bomb was attached to the rope hoist and exploded at the time that Motorola entered the elevator. As a result of this terrorist attack, Pavlov was fatally wounded. “
One solution is to live in the secluded guard gated community with 24/7 cctv cameras. This cost money and the question is: who is going to pay?
Novorossiya doesn’t have any money, and Russia doesn’t pay for it.
How long have remotely detonated IEDs existed? before or after the US invasion of Iraq?
Motorola’s building is what? 15 stories high? dating back to elevators of what quality?
how big a deal must it be to lower an IED onto the ceiling of the elevator cab with a fishline
from any of the building’s floors, and leave it there? 5 minutes? any time of day or night.
but for you Saker, it has to be a big, BIG conspiracy. and the Ukies are by definition incompetent; with training from US and NATO intel and Special Forces for 2 (?) years, they’ve yet to discover the opposing thumb.
if the Givi assassination attempt had employed 2 cars rather than 1, he’d be dead.
there’s another line of reasoning which suggests itself. Russia is not interested in baby-sitting Donbass. Russian resources are thinner than you like to believe. Donbass is an amateur theater in spite of the heroics featured on this site.
and again, with UKIE forces massing on the front line, this is a calculated provocation.
your site suffers from deep weakness on multiple facets. you’re promoting a myth and forming a cult. you’re drop-in hospitality with Procrustean beds.
“How long have remotely detonated IEDs existed? before or after the US invasion of Iraq?”
Since the day after gunpowder was invented.
OUCH, that’s harsher than what I was going to say (down list if it escapes moderation).
If truth is the first casualty of war, then the second is security.
If it is true that, as has been recently reported, Porkie P and the nazi gang have refused to pay pensions and so forth in the anti-nazi Republics, then it is yet another compelling force that will naturally increase the intimate qualities between Russia and the Republics… The Russians are going to be under considerable inclination to undertake these financial burdens, and they probably will do so. Porkie Boy has done more by this refusal to honor even the most fundamental defining quality of any state toward its people, paying its debts. Uk-o-nazi-land is repudiating the Republics…
I wonder if they’re simply stupid… Putting rocks in their own (claimed) path! Anyway it was evidently a gloriously dumb thing to say and do.
But to the awful deed. I am not convinced that the authorities “cannot” protect their own leaders – not by the obvious failures. I am only sure that they did not.
That is not a reason to assume this won’t happen again though, quite the opposite. The nazi Policy includes assassination as Policy. This is obvious, they wouldn’t be nazis otherwise, eh? Some nazi stooges even send robot flying machines to murder people, and then brag about this on television – it’s basic nazi character. Some “candidates” boast about murdering foreign leaders… Is more evidence of this truth needed? Please note that the nazis are in Kiev, while the Main Nazi HQ is on another continent… There are many outposts. You tell me where…eh?
Yes indeed (!) they need experts and they need to establish schools for this purpose, to establish a powerful and coordinated intelligence service. It would be idiotic if that service did not align closely with the Russian counter-part.
Not to advocate, but simply to observe, many sober observers would, based on history and logical view of the facts in this situation, expect precisely that. That and an accelerated re-unification with Russia due to Porkie Boy’s foolishness.
It is hard to believe that the world has come to such a pass. Mankind is in desperate need of a miracle, of Heros, and of Peace…and people who are not delusional…
Thanks Mr Saker… Always good to see what you write.
Saker gives good advice…
If this is the level of incompetence of the novorussian officials and if this is the level of information you have about the novorussian state of affairs then how correct are your analyses like the novorussians being more than ready to face the Ukraine in a war.
Apples and oranges. The kind of skills needed to fight a guerilla war or, at best, a tactical-operational level campaign is totally different from counter-terrorism. The Novorussians learned the first skill set the very hard way and they will probably also lean the second set of skills the hard way.
It seems you are a good armchair analyst with no real info about the actual state of affairs in Novorussia.
Guilty as charged. My info is public info and a few local contacts, that’s it. I never claimed otherwise.
“drop-in hospitality with Procrustean beds…”
Let The Cокол have his flights of fancy Mr. B…no need to start breaking wings off…
What I have said all along. The high command that he worked for killed him through negligence, stupidity and arrogance.
There is need for a new supreme commander who understands how to conduct a war.
The current supreme commander should be retired because he is not up to the job.
Only problem is that may be the current supreme commander is actually a dictator, in which case you lot have already lost.
Dictator this, terrorist that. Another Pindo spouting worthless tripe learned by rote. Motorola and his erstwhile superiors — why didn’t they listen to such an infallible, invincible, and irresistible piece of Western garbage?
Seriously, Richard: There are thousands of MSM outlets at your disposal where you can befriend like-minded Western supremacists. No need for you to come here. Please consider this site’s readership to be well below your awesome capabilities.
He may have sketched a false legend. Here’s the whole lie that logic suggests:
Assume this: M, great hero, is murdered. So long as the actual guilt is concealed the game will run on this very emotional fact. (Another game runs too – fact-based and kinetic, the murder does serve to give a temporary tactical advantage to the nazis. Only temporary. And yet another goes to inflamed emotions and provocation that’s strategic. But I want to stay focused on “Legend”)
It is possible that M was liquidated due to several parties. Possible, but some parties would lose, and some gain, by the murder. False Motive has to be ascribed to some sinister corruption and intrigue, to sow doubt, and to weaken further the resolve of the party hosting M.
If, then, one were to maliciously spread a story that was possible, but pretty far-out and do that right away, the public mind’s view of the matter will be forever fogged with doubt.
That was MH17, was it not? Extra points to those who can name 10 more examples!
In actual fact, friend posting that beginning phase legend has shown us a template of his own a-priori assumptions. One may see that he assumes that the murder will actually weaken the anti-fascist resistance.
Our shared histories show that, so long as they have sovereign support from a state, resistance can prevail, in time, and that it usually does, if it is genuine. It is a brutal way to make war, especially brutal, but it is also the natural way of the world, alas.
Now a tougher better man will arise. I am sure of this. It is the brutal way history runs, the natural “curve of history” I think they call it. Motorola is a Phoenix… Wishes won’t have any effect. Every shell that lands makes this ever more sure to happen.
His replacement means doom for some, he’ll cast quite a shadow.
Yes. I’ve been a’thinking for some time past that all is not as it seems both in East Ukraine and Syria or indeed the BRIC’s and maybe the RF. There have been some fine Generals&Political leaders lost seemingly unnecessarily, thru neglect? or why? Maybe the strength, the unity of purpose, is not there, or the commitment is one of withdrawal cease&desist withdrawal until there is nothing left to argue about except death who takes no prisoners. Too much life is being lost along the way….and aggressors never care.
I agree with this conclusion, Russia should take over the security; Novorossiya is a state in utero so she needs Daddy to protect her. I will go further and say Russia should completely absorb Novorossiya and the war will be over and these proud Russians will be home. All the former arguments for not doing this in my opinion are null & void, Russia has no choice but to do this, the situation will be much worse if not. A massive cyber attack happened today in the US and the White-washed House is now involved, how long till they but the blame on Putin & Russia? They have been setting this up just like the false flag Syrian chemical attack in 2013 and as you must know the US has already said that a cyber attack is an act of war with a physical retaliation being on the table. Here we go folks, it is coming and maybe much soon than even I expected. An internal Democratic poll shows that Killary is only at 19% and this is collaborated by a nonbiased nationwide poll of 1000 people in each state. The deep state is becoming very nervous, get ready this is going hot!
“…I would never underestimate any Russian babushka with an axe…”
Yikes…I’m with elsi…and the babushkas…
kudos to Cокол crew on the photo…to paraphrase Paul Hogan…”now THAT’S a babushka…”
Is that Auslander’s babushka? The one that lives behind him in Crimea? Best mind your manners around her, I think.
I’m sure it is because it’s not me.
Excellent, well reasoned article.
forgive me please if this repeats another poster’s post…
as to the more strategic results…well…this is a “leading indicator”, some might say. http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/top-russian-talkshow-host-we-will-take.html
” We’ll raise our eyebrows and Ukraine will understand everything. There is no need for illusions. When they in all seriousness say that ‘sanctions stopped’ [the Russian army], well sanctions haven’t stopped shit in Syria.
If you don’t understand, then Putin has said from day one: ‘We respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. We are not planning to send in troops. We do not want a fratricidal war. But we support the DPR and LPR.’
Because, like Zakharchenko said on my show, ‘we will take Kiev.’ And then Ukraine will be de-Nazified the harsh Donbass way. If this is the only way to save Ukraine, then so be it.
We don’t believe you [Ukrainians], we’ve lost respect for you. As Lavrov said, ‘Russia’s strategic patience has finished.’ Do you want to see the face of the bear? You’ll find out that the bear doesn’t have just a face, but a terrifying snout. If you think that someone can stop Russia, then you better learn the history that you are trying to forget.”
Saker, the statement by Peskov was very carefully worded. He said they understood the emotional reaction to the death of Motorola, but they do not have an official position, basically. This was in response to the suggestion that A.Pavlov should be awarded a medal by the Russian state.
There is something fishy about this story. If he was a true hero, why would Putin’s spokesperson be so vague? In fact, to me it seems like they do not want to be openly supportive at all. It could be because they cannot openly admit that a Russian officer was supported by them, even as a volunteer, but it could also be that they genuinely have different, more sinister reasons.
You have deleted Cat Motya’s post, but I think he may have been on the right track, as hard as it is to believe and accept that such people’s hero could be a controversial figure.
What do you think?
I am here to learn. And until a couple days ago, I haven’t been interested in criticism, really. My attention was drawn to the situation in the Ukraine as a result of some other online acquaintances, who have Russophile / Russophone wives or relatives, pointing out what was happening on the “Maidan”. It was obviously way more than a political rally — I was already watching when the shooting took place. And I was reading you when you were on blogspot.
I am not an analyst. What I do, or have done, for a living is much closer to networking. Not political/personal networking, I am an introvert. Electronic networking. I have watched the internet since Al Gore ‘invented’ it (haha). First there was usenet… (I’m old)
Not knowing much (or any) Russian has been a handicap. I depend on folks who are bilingual, and can translate. So I follow John Delacour and Gleb Bazov and Nina Kuprianova and Mark Sleboda on Twitter. And your blog, thank you very much. And Patrick Lancaster and Grisha Philips posting videos from Donetsk. It was interesting to watch the BBC rip off some of Philips’ footage, strip the sound track, and repurpose it to ‘Russian aggression’ and ‘Putin shelling the helpless residents of Ukraine’. I was already not a fan of the Beeb, but now realize that their output is approximately 100% propoaganda lies.
I sort-of know the alphabet by now, still need syntax and semantics. And vocabulary. Vocabulary. Vocabulary. There is so much to learn.
But this will be criticism, such as it is.
It has been very eye-opening to discover that Russians have differences and disagreements, much moreso than here in the ‘west’. And increasingly moreso now that we have ‘McCarthyism 2.0’ in ascendance. Enough so, that when I saw the Cat Motja essay yesterday I was like, ‘WTF?’…
But that’s not my point.
Russell Bentley was critical of your essay, and I think he is sincere. He speaks with a Texan accent, familiar to me (though I think it becomes an affectation, much like Dubya’s ‘Texan accent’, which sounds more like Connecticut to me… I have lived in Texas and know what it sounds like). Bentley is really from Texas, and emphasizes that in his speech patterns.
Anyway, I’d like to say that I think he is sincere. If he says ‘babushka security’ he has really seen it. Security is probably pretty sketchy in the Donbass. And if he knows ‘who dunnit’ he is also sincere in that regard. But I don’t think Bentley’s Russian language skill is much better than mine, so he probably isn’t privy to the less-visible aspects of security. The Russophones on Twitter have been kicking around the name of a mercenary, by the way. I have no idea.
But that’s not my point, either. It’s tangential to my point.
The Russians’ skill in HUMINT has been well known since the earliest days of the cold war. They had contacts. Or contacts who had contacts. And so forth. The Rosenbergs were just hapless patsies, while the real spies quickly transferred all the nuclear secrets to Russia, and eventually retired on Social Security. We know this now. And there can be little doubt that it is still going on.
But really, Russia — since 2003 or so, how is it that you still have a single copy of Microsoft Anything running on your computers? And Cisco? Really? Are you kidding? Even Intel is suspect since the late ‘000s — not to mention the proprietary blobs that run on your GPUs whenever you boot your computer. This news was not suddenly revealed by Snowden, either. It has been leaking out for more than ten years.
It was just last week that I noticed an announcement that Russia would be ending its relationship with Microsoft, and another that there would now be a separate, secure intranet for the Russian MoD. With the NSA (confirmed by Snowden) attempting to grab every packet from every node on the internet, how can it be that it has taken so long for these measures?
And Saker, this is my criticism:
You didn’t need to be so harsh on Bentley. And the Russian security organizations. Like all large organizations, they are doing what they can. No one is perfect, and the bigger an org is, the less perfect it becomes. That is all.
I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. And thank you for your good work.
How about a hypothesis that the Russians are not involved in the security of the Novorussia leaders because they do not want to be involved, not because they are useless? Is it at all possible that they perhaps know more and see deeper than we do?
What if our heroes are not what they appear to be?
Hmm … It appears he’s been murdered and that’s sad. If security was indeed very lax or non-existant, then I find that surprising, given that Motorola had, at the very least, considerable symbolic importance.
But raising an angry voice in the way of blaming and finger-pointing when I make no contribution to security of my own and am thousands of miles away seems no better than spectators of a football match demanding the ousting of the trainer or other leading personality out of disappointment with the team’s performance. Excpept the spectators paid for the ticket and came for amusement.
In one of Sheikh Imran’s lectures, he said, at the fall of Constantinople to the Ottamans, the syuhadas were the defenders of the city and not the Muslim invaders.
In Islam, martyrs (Arabic: šyahīd, plural: شَهيد شُهَداء šyuhadā ‘) means the Muslim death when fighting in Allah’s way to fight or defend truth or defending with patience and sincerity to uphold God’s religion. Who is fighting to defend his property, his soul, his family, his religion, and died in the struggle, then he died as fi sabilillah or martyrs. Martyrs is the highest ambition of Muslims. One of the roads leading to martyrdom is to fight in the path of Allah (jihad fi sabilillah).
Just substitute Christians for Muslims above, and we can immediately see how this claim can be justified. Other justifications are “amar makruh, nahi mungkar”, i.e. “do good, forbid evil”, and the tenets of Justice and Compassion, which is very much universal in all religion.
So a strong case can be made that Motorola is a syuhada. And personally, I believe that he is. Let us then read what God has to say about people like Motorola:
And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead.
Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision, Rejoicing in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounty, and they receive good tidings about those [to be martyred] after them who have not yet joined them – that there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.
They receive good tidings of favour from Allah and bounty and [of the fact] that Allah does not allow the reward of believers to be lost –Ali Imran 179 – 181.
It is human for us to sad, and at the same time be happy for him. He is still with us, and may he inspire his brothers who are still fighting.
In the meantime, the Saker is quite correct to demand the examination of security for the Donbass leaders. No reason to waste the best of what they have when there is no active fighting. I have no way of knowing how the Russians view the Donbass security. But if the Novorussians have to take care of this themselves, then I can think of no better teachers than Hezbollah. They are up against Mossad et al, the best from Gog and Magog and Sheikh Hassan is still with us. That he is alive is a minor miracle in itself. What is Ukraine’s SBU compared to Mossad?
Thanks for your reply. First, I want to say that I have great respect for your work. You have produced one of the best news sites for information about the war in Donbass. I still think so.
My disagreement with your previous article, as well as with Shary and especially Southfront, both of whom I also consider comrades, is the insinuation that the DNR Administration could have somehow possibly been involved, Of course, for reasons I have already stated, they weren’t. It was a ukrop hit, and hardly unexpected. Remember, there had been two attempts before.
But here in Donetsk there is another elephant in the room, perhaps not visible to those who do not live here – That is the fact that we are not afraid. Those of us who defend Donbass at the Front have pledged our lives to this Cause, 24/7, 365. Motorola himself said he was not a hero, the men at the Front were. And his men were ALWAYS at the Front. Motorola was a soldier, not a statesman, He was setting an example, and a damn good one, if you ask me.
Or perhaps it would be better to say he was following an example, an example set by every kid who goes to school in Gorlovka, every worker at the water pumping station in Yasynuvata, every pensioner living in the Petrovsky District of Donetsk, every soldier at the Front – to live their lives fearlessly, as free people, in their own homes, on their own land, in their own Republic. In spite of the fact that death can come on any day, at any moment. That’s how we do it here.
Many people in the DNR, including myself, have a price on their heads. So what? Yes, there are traitors, assassins and spies in Donetsk, yes, there is a US-trained fascist army poised to attack, just a few kilometers away. So what? Certainly, we take precautions, but we are not afraid. We will live until we die. But we will never live in fear.
Rather than ask pointless questions about his death, perhaps it would be better to take a lesson from how he lived, how WE live, here in Novorussia. Without fear. We are all going to die, and that includes all of you safe at home in your beds, in the West. But many of you have never lived. Take a lesson from Motorola, from the citizens and soldiers of Novorussia. Courage is the key to happiness, and Motorola always had a smile. Hoka Hey!
I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why you didn’t elaborate on one option: that the Russians knew beforehand what was going to happen and let it happen – to get rid of a guy who might be an obstacle to their objective of pushing the republics back into Ukraine. Be it by the hands of Ukrainians.
There’s one problem with this otherwise well written analysis: was Motorola worth this type of the security (which you think Russia and DPR failed to provide)? I know it might seem cynical but consider that:
-Both Russia and DPR have limited resources. There’s only so many people, equipment and time allocated to security issues.
-There are many more targets which require protection, many of them of much higher priority. Communication networks, institutions of the state, industry, infrastructure and so on and so forth.
-Motorola was military commander of as I understand middle rank. He also was popular war hero and sort of social media celebrity. But that did not made him some highly valuable essential target for protection. In fact by very definition of his profession and position he was expendable.
Let me paraphrase well known military axiom: That who tries to protect everything, ends up protecting nothing. Only the most valuable targets get sort of “point protection” you have described. Most else gets protected by general protection, which is like a large net. Net covers everything, hoping to catch fish as they try to pass through, not going after specific one. How dense or loose that net is, is defined by resources allocated and makes that net less or more effective. But no net can catch all the fish all of the time.
I am not security expert and I have no information about DPR security, but I would expect Motorola to have bodyguards allocated -likely by his own unit and then perhaps bullet prof car -and that would already be bonus for somebody of his rank.
In fact I would expect security provided to his type of target being conducted “actively”. In military terms you would call it counter-strike: if you kill one of our men -in this “ungentlemanly” fashion, we will kill you somebody of equal (or slightly higher) rank. That would make you reconsider if this type of activity is worth your time. That’s why in general, security services act by certain unwritten rules. For example they don’t normally assassinate opposing agents even if they know them.