Note: reading these moronic questions+statements only confirms to me my conviction that Europe is sub-pathetic and deserves what will come its way. This is sad, of course, but indisputable. As for Roger Waters, his willingness to reconsider his views only inspires even more admiration in me.
BERLINER ZEITUNG 4th FEBRUARY 2023
THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE
Against the backdrop of the outrageous and despicable smear campaign by the ISRAELI LOBBY to denounce me as an ANTI-SEMITE, WHICH I AM NOT, NEVER HAVE BEEN and NEVER WILL BE. Against he backdrop of them trying to silence me because I lend my voice to the seventy five year old fight for equal human rights for all my brothers and sisters in Palestine/Israel, irrespective of their ethnicity, religion or nationality. Against the backdrop, of the ISRAELI LOBBY trying to cancel my 85% SOLD OUT series of concerts in Germany, the National Newspaper BERLINER ZEITUNG, has today, courageously, published an in depth interview with me in their Saturday Magazine. Thank you so much gentlemen.
And to MY FANS who have purchased tickets for my forthcoming shows in Europe,
FEAR NOT! I AM DEFINITELY COMING.
WILD HORSES COULDN’T KEEP ME AWAY
AND NEITHER CAN THIS APARTHEID RABBLE
THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE.
Interview translated into English from German:
Roger Waters can rightly claim to be the mastermind behind Pink Floyd. He came up with the concept of and wrote all the lyrics for the masterpiece “The Dark Side of the Moon”. He wrote the albums “Animals”, “The Wall” and “The Final Cut” single-handedly. On his current tour “This Is Not A Drill”, which comes to Germany in May, he therefore wants to express that legacy to a large extent and play songs from Pink Floyd’s classic phase. The problem: Because of controversial statements he has made about the war in Ukraine and the politics of the state of Israel, one of his concerts in Poland has already been cancelled, and in Germany Jewish and Christian organizations are demanding the same. Time to talk to the 79-year-old musician: What does he mean by all this? Is he simply misunderstood – should his concerts be cancelled? Is it justifiable to exclude him from the conversation? Or does society have a problem banning dissenters like Waters from the conversation?
The musician receives his visitors in his residence in southern England, friendly, open, unpretentious, but determined – that’s how he will remain throughout the conversation. First, however, he wants to demonstrate something special: In the studio of his house, he plays three tracks from a brand new re-recording of “The Dark Side of the Moon”, which celebrates its 50th birthday in March. “The new concept is meant to reflect on the meaning of the work, to bring out the heart and soul of the album,” he says, “musically and spiritually. I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos.”
The spoken words, superimposed on instrumental pieces like “On The Run” or “The Great Gig in the Sky” and over “Speak To Me”, “Brain Damage” “Any Colour You Like and Money” are meant to clarify his “mantra”, the message he considers central to all his work: “It’s about the voice of reason. And it says: what is important is not the power of our kings and leaders or their so-called connection with God. What is really important is the connection between us as human beings, the whole human community. We, human beings, are scattered all over the globe – but we are all related because we all come from Africa. We are all brothers and sisters, or at the very least distant cousins, but the way we treat each other is destroying our home, planet earth – faster than we can imagine.” For instance, right now, suddenly here we are in 2023 involved in a year old proxy war with Russia in Ukraine. Why? Ok, a bit of history, in 2004 Russian President Vladimir Putin extended his hand to the West in an attempt to build an architecture of peace in Europe. It’s all there in the record. He explained that western plans to invite the post Maidan coup Ukraine into NATO posed a completely unacceptable existential threat to The Russian Federation and would cross a final red line that could end in war, so could we all get round the table and negotiate a peaceful future. His advances were brushed off by the US and its NATO allies. From then on he consistently maintained his position and NATO consistently maintained theirs: “F… you”. And here we are.
Mr Waters, you speak of the voice of reason, of the deep connection of all people. But when it comes to the war in Ukraine, you talk a lot about the mistakes of the US and the West, not about Russia’s war and the Russian aggression. Why don’t you protest against the acts committed by Russia? I know that you supported Pussy Riot and other human rights organizations in Russia. Why don’t you attack Putin?
First of all, if you read my letter to Putin and my writings around the start of the war in February….
…you called him a “gangster”…
…exactly, I did. But I may have changed my mind a little bit in the last year. There is a podcast from Cyprus called “The Duran”. The hosts speak Russian and can read Putin’s speeches in the original. Their comments on it make sense to me. The most important reason for supplying arms to Ukraine is surely profit for the arms industry. And I wonder: is Putin a bigger gangster than Joe Biden and all those in charge of American politics since World War II? I am not so sure. Putin didn’t invade Vietnam or Iraq? Did he?
The most important reason for arms deliveries is the following: It is to support Ukraine, to win the war and to stop Russia’s aggression. You seem to see it differently.
Yes. Maybe I shouldn’t be, but I am now more open to listen what Putin actually says. According to independent voices I listen to he governs carefully, making decisions on the grounds of a consensus in the Russian Federation government. There are also critical intellectuals in Russia, who have been arguing against American imperialism since the 1950s. And a central phrase has always been: Ukraine is a red line. It must remain a neutral buffer state. If it doesn’t remain so, we don’t know where it will lead. We still don’t know, but it could end in a Third World War.
In February last year, it was Putin who decided to attack.
He launched what he still calls a “special military operation”. He launched it on the basis of reasons that if I have understood them well are: 1. We want to stop the potential genocide of the Russian-speaking population of the Donbas. 2. We want to fight Nazism in Ukraine. There is a teenage Ukrainian girl, Alina, with whom I exchanged long letters: “I hear you. I understand your pain.” She answered me, thanked me, but stressed, I‘m sure you’re wrong about one thing though, “I am 200% certain there are no Nazis in Ukraine.” I replied again, “I’m sorry Alina, but you are wrong about that. How can you live in Ukraine and not know?”
There is no evidence that there has been genocide in Ukraine. At the same time, Putin has repeatedly emphasised that he wants to bring Ukraine back into his empire. Putin told former German Chancellor Angela Merkel that the saddest day in his life was in 1989, when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Isn’t the word origin of “Ukraine” the Russian word for “Borderland”? It was part of Russia and the Soviet Union for a long time. It’s a difficult history. During the Second World War, I believe there was a large part of the population of western Ukraine that decided to collaborate with the Nazis. They killed Jews, Roma, communists, and anyone else the Third Reich wanted dead. To this day there is the conflict between Western Ukraine (With or without Nazis Alina) and Eastern The Donbas) and Southern (Crimea) Ukraine and there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians because it was part of Russia for hundreds of years. How can you solve such a problem? It can’t be done by either the Kiev government or the Russians winning. Putin has always stressed that he has no interest in taking over western Ukraine – or invading Poland or any other country across the border. What he is saying is: he wants to protect the Russian-speaking populations in those parts of Ukraine where the Russian speaking populations feel under threat from the far right influenced post Maidan Coup Governments in Kiev. A coup that is widely accepted as having been orchestrated by the US.
We have spoken to many Ukrainians who can prove otherwise. The US may have helped support the 2014 protests. But overall, reputable sources and eyewitness accounts suggest that the protests arose from within – through the will of the Ukrainian people.
I wonder which Ukrainians you have spoken to? I can imagine that some claim that. On the other side of the coin a huge majority of Ukrainians in the Crimea and the Donbass have voted in referenda to rejoin The Russian Federation.
In February, you were surprised that Putin attacked Ukraine. How can you be so sure that he will not go further? Your trust in Russia does not seem to have been shattered, despite the bloody Russian war of aggression.
How can I be sure that the US will not risk starting a nuclear war with China? They are already provoking The Chinese by interfering in Taiwan. They would love to destroy Russia first. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature understands that, when they read the news, and the Americans admit it.
You irritate a lot of people because it always sounds like you are defending Putin.
Compared to Biden, I am. The US/NATO provocations before February 2022 were extreme and very damaging to the interests of all the ordinary people of Europe.
You would not boycott Russia?
I think it is counterproductive. You live in Europe: How much does the US charge for gas deliveries? Five times as much as its own citizens pay. In England, people are now saying “eat or heat” – because the poorer sections of the population can hardly afford to heat their homes. Western governments should realize that we are all brothers and sisters. In the Second World War they saw what happens when they try to wage war against Russia. They will unite and fight to the last ruble and the last square meter of ground to defend their motherland. Just like anyone would. I think if the US can convince its own citizens and you and many other people, that Russia is the real enemy, and that Putin is the new Hitler they will have an easier time stealing from the poor to give to the rich and also starting and promoting more wars, like this proxy war in Ukraine. Maybe that seems like an extreme political stance to you, but maybe the history I read and the news I garner is just different from you. You can’t believe everything you see on TV or read in the papers. All I am trying to achieve with my new recordings, my statements and performances is that our brothers and sisters in power stop the war – and that people understand that our brothers and sisters in Russia do not live under a repressive dictatorship, any more than you do in Germany or I do in the US. I mean would we choose to continue to slaughter young Ukrainians and Russians if we had the power to stop it?
We can do this interview, in Russia this would not be so easy… But back to Ukraine: What would be your political counter-proposal for a meaningful Ukraine policy of the West?
We need to get all our leaders around the table and force them to say: “No more war!”. That would be the point where dialogue can start.
Could you imagine living in Russia?
Yes, of course, why not? It would be the same as with my neighbours here in the south of England. We could go to the pub and talk openly – as long as they don’t go to war and kill Americans or Ukrainians. All right? As long as we can trade with each other, sell each other gas, make sure we’re warm in the winter, we’re fine. Russians are no different from you and me: there are good people and there are idiots – like everywhere else.
Then why don’t you play shows in Russia?
Not for ideological reasons. It is simply not possible at the moment. I’m not boycotting Russia, that would be ridiculous. I play 38 shows in the USA. If I were to boycott any country for political reasons, it would be the US. They are the main aggressor.
If one looks at the conflict neutrally, one can see Putin as the aggressor. Do you think we are all brainwashed?
Yes, I do indeed, definitely. Brainwashed, you said it.
Because we consume western media?
Exactly. What everyone in the West is being told is the “unprovoked invasion” narrative. Huh? Anyone with half a brain can see that the conflict in Ukraine was provoked beyond all measure. It is probably the most provoked invasion ever.
When concerts in Poland were cancelled because of your statements on the war in Ukraine, did you just feel misunderstood?
Yes. This is a big step backwards. It is an expression of Russophobia. People in Poland are obviously just as susceptible to Western propaganda. I would want to say to them: You are brothers and sisters, get your leaders to stop the war so that we can stop for a moment and think: “What is this war about?”. It is about making the rich in the Western countries even richer and the poor everywhere even poorer. The opposite of Robin Hood. Jeff Bezos has a fortune of around 200 billion dollars, while thousands of people in Washington D.C. alone live in cardboard boxes on the street.
Ukrainians are standing up to defend their country. Most people in Germany see it that way, which is why your statements cause consternation, even anger. Your perspectives on Israel meet with similar criticism here. That is also why there is now a discussion about whether your concerts in Germany should be cancelled. How do you react to that?
Oh, you know, it’s Israeli Lobby activists like Malca Goldstein-Wolf who demand that. That’s idiotic. They already tried to cancel my concert in Cologne in 2017 and even got the local radio stations to join in.
Isn’t it a bit easy to label these people as idiots?
Of course, they are not all idiots. But they probably read the Bible and probably believe that anyone who speaks out against Israeli fascism in the Holy Land is an anti-Semite. That’s really not a smart position to take, because to do so you have to deny that people lived in Palestine before the Israelis settled there. You have to follow the legend that says, “A land without a people for a people without a land.” What nonsense. The history here is quite clear. To this day, the indigenous, Jewish population is a minority. The Jewish Israelis all immigrated from Eastern Europe or the United States.
You once compared the state of Israel to Nazi Germany. Do you still stand by this comparison?
Yes, of course. The Israelis are committing genocide. Just like Great Britain did during our colonial period, by the way. The British committed genocide against the indigenous people of North America, for example. So did the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese even the Germans in their colonies. All were part of the injustice of the colonial era. And we, the British also murdered and pillaged in India, Southeast Asia, China…. We believed ourselves to be inherently superior to the indigenous people, just as the Israelis do in Palestine. Well, we weren’t and neither are the Israeli Jews.
As an English man, you have a very different perspective on the history of the State of Israel than we Germans do. In Germany, criticism of Israel is handled with caution for good reasons; Germany has a historical debt that the country must live up to.
I understand that very well and I have been trying to deal with it for 20 years. But for me, your debt, as you put it, your national sense of guilt for what the Nazis did between 1933 and 1945, shouldn’t require your whole society to walk around with blinkers on about Israel. Would it not be better if it rather spurred you to throw away all the blinkers and support equal human rights for all your brothers and sisters all over the world irrespective of ethnicity religion or nationality?
Are you questioning Israel’s right to exist?
In my opinion, Israel has a right to exist as long as it is a true democracy, as long as no group, religious or ethnic, enjoys more human rights than any other. But unfortunately that is exactly what is happening in Israel and Palestine. The government says that only Jewish people should enjoy certain rights. So it can’t be described as democratic. They are very open about it, it’s enshrined in Israeli law. There are now many people in Germany, and of course many Jewish people in Israel, who are open to a different narrative about Israel. Twenty years ago, we could not have had a conversation about the State of Israel in which the terms genocide and apartheid were mentioned. Now I would say you can’t have that conversation without using those terms, because they accurately describe the reality in the occupied territory. I see that more and more clearly since I’ve been part of the BDS movement (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, ed.).
Do you think they would agree with you here in England?
I can’t say for sure because I’ve hardly lived here for the last 20 years. I would have to go down to the pub and talk to people. But I suspect more and more would agree with me every day. I have many Jewish friends – by the way – who whole heartedly agree with me, which is one reason why it’s so crazy to try to discredit me as a Jew-hater. I have one close friend in New York, who happens to be Jewish, who said to me the other day, “A few years ago, I thought you were crazy, I thought you had completely lost it. Now I see you were right in your position on the policies of the state of Israel – and we, the Jewish community in the US, were wrong.” My friend in NY was clearly distressed making this remark, he is a good man.
BDS positions are sanctioned by the German Bundestag. A success of the BDS movement could ultimately mean an end to the state of Israel. Do you see it differently?
Yes, Israel could change its laws. They could say: We have changed our mind, people are allowed to have rights even if they are not Jewish. That would be it, then we wouldn’t need BDS any more.
Have you lost friends because you are active for BDS?
It’s interesting that you ask that. I don’t know exactly, but I very much doubt it. A friendship is a powerful thing. I would say I’ve had about ten real friends in my life. I couldn’t lose a friend because of my political views, because friends love each other – and friendship begets talk, and talk begets understanding. If a friend were to say, “Roger, I saw you flew an inflatable pig with a Star of David on it during your Wall concerts!”, I explain to them the context and that there was nothing anti-Semitic either intended or expressed.
What is the context then?
That was during the song “Goodbye Blue Sky” in “The Wall” show. And to explain the context, you see B-52 bombers, on a circular screen behind the band, but they don’t drop bombs, they drop symbols: Dollar signs, Crucifixes, Hammer and Sickles, Star and Crescents, the McDonalds sign – and Star of Davids. This is theatrical satire, an expression of my belief that unleashing these ideologies, or products onto the people on the ground, is an act of aggression, the opposite of humane, the opposite of creating love and peace among us brothers and sisters. I’m saying in the wrong hands all the ideologies these symbols represent can be evil.
What is your ideology? Are you an anarchist – against any kind of power that people exercise over each other?
I call myself a humanist, a citizen of the world. And my loyalty and respect belong to all people, regardless of their origin, nationality or religion.
Would you still perform in Israel today if they let you?
No, of course not. That would be crossing the picket line. I have for years written letters to colleagues in the music industry to try to convince them not to perform in Israel. Sometimes they disagree, they say, “But this is a way to make peace, we should go there and try to convince them to make peace” Well we are all entitled to our opinion, but in 2005 the whole of Palestinian Civil Society asked me to observe a cultural boycott, and who am I to tell a whole society living under a brutal occupation that I know better than they.
It is very provocative to say that you would play in Moscow but not in Israel.
Interesting that you say that given that Moscow does not run an apartheid state based on the genocide of the indigenous inhabitants.
In Russia, ethnic minorities are heavily discriminated against. Among other things, more ethnic non-Russians are sent to war than ethnic Russians.
You seem to be asking me to see Russia from the current Russo phobic perspective. I choose to see it differently, though as I have said I don’t speak Russian or live in Russia so I’m on foreign ground.
How do you like the fact that Pink Floyd have recorded a new piece for the first time in 30 years – with the Ukrainian musician Andrij Chlywnjuk?
I have seen the video and I am not surprised, but I find it really, really sad. It’s so alien to me, this action is so lacking in humanity. It encourages the continuation of the war. Pink Floyd is a name I used to be associated with. That was a huge time in my life, a very big deal. To associate that name now with something like this… proxy war makes me sad. I mean, they haven’t made the point of demanding, “Stop the war, stop the slaughter, bring our leaders together to talk!” It’s just this content-less waving of the blue and yellow flag. I wrote in one of my letters to the Ukrainian teenager Alina: I will not raise a flag in this conflict, not a Ukrainian flag, not a Russian flag, not a US flag.
After the fall of the Wall, you performed “The Wall” in reunified Berlin, certainly with optimistic expectations for the future. Did you think you could also contribute to this future with your own art, make a difference?
Of course, I believe that to this day. If you have political principles and are an artist, then the two areas are inextricably intertwined. That’s one reason why I left Pink Floyd, by the way: I had those principles, the others either did not or had different ones.
Do you now see yourself as equal parts musician and political activist?
Yes, sometimes I lean towards one, sometimes the other.
Will your current tour really be your last tour?
(Chuckles) I have no idea. The tour is subtitled “The First Farewell Tour” and that’s an obvious joke because old rock stars routinely use Farewell Tour as a selling tool. Then they sometimes retire and sometimes go on another Final Farewell Tour, it’s all good.
You want to keep sending something out to the world, make a difference?
I love good music, I love good literature – especially English and Russian, also German. That’s why I like the idea of people noticing and understanding what I do.
Then why don’t you hold back with political statements?
Because I am who I am. If I wasn’t this person who has strong political convictions, I wouldn’t have written “The Dark Side of the Moon”, “The Wall”, “Wish You Were Here”, “Amused to Death” and all the other stuff.
Thank you very much for the interview.
This is what Dave Gilmour, speaking through his wife (!), had to say:
Needless to say, I now see Gilmour as a (very talented) sad piece of shit.
“In Germany, criticism of Israel is handled with caution for good reasons; Germany has a historical debt that the country must live up to.”
Yet another “debt” that will never, ever be repaid. The Germans will owe until there are no more Germans to harangue about their “historical debt”, which at the current rate, won’t be too far in the future.
Since when is “tax-avoiding” an insult? Taxes are forcible extractions, not moral obligations.
Germany has a debt to Izrael?
Izrael has a debt to Jews.
Zionists tricked hundreds of thousands onto the trains to Auschwitz.
The legal system of Izrael protected these treacherous perpetrators.
At the first trial in Izrael the leader of the perpetrators was found guilty, excoriated in a judgement that took an entire day to read. As that leader (Rudolf Kastner also spelled Kasztner) was part of the Izraeli government he was retried at their Supreme Court as it was hoped that his judgement could be white washed. It was.
Two of the five judges ruled, “guilty! guilty!” the deciding judge is on record having said that the Jews of Hungary weren’t worth saving (grotesque but true). Kastner walked free.
Is this outside your Overton Window?
Surely you would have heard of this before if it was true. Is that what you are thinking?
History is written by the victors.
History is written by the victors.
Yes, but it does NOT mean that everything they say is a lie.
After I clicked ‘Post a comment’ I wished that I had not been posting with such limited time.
(Everyone has had that experience.)
This is what I would rather have posted instead of that cliche.
Witness the history of Ukraine that the interviewer of Roger Waters is attempting to shape.
This tells you to keep your mind open and to ever be ready to learn and to unlearn.
Germany’s debt to the Jews has long ago been paid.. Now to talk about compensation to the Gypsies, handicapped, Russian & other Socialists, etc, and rant about it for the next 100 years.. It is, after all, a collective Nazi debt to pay, rather than a German one..
Unfortunately i was born into the wrong Religion to claim for generational trauma, Raised by a Father who witnessed his best friend get shot at 13 for stealing food as well as witnessing his sister die of starvation at 11 months in occupied Holland was difficult, it’s about time all victims were recognized.
It takes courage and morality to go against the narrative of the ill informed. What does this say about the other 99% local, national, and international journalists who know the facts but feel no obligation to print them. It says this for people like these yellow journalists, who as a profession write misinformation, it’s a little hard to keep up. Berliner Zeitung questions to Waters confirm unverifiable sources and represent Western Propaganda. There was not a single question to Waters on Western propaganda and aggression listed by Waters which the Berliner Zeitung journalist dismisses by asking another question unsubstantiated by facts. This form of questioning has been manipulated for the past thousands of years to serve the national narrative of the side producing such information.
As for tax evasion what do you call 3 billion of Canadian tax dollars sent to Ukraine but Civil Forfeiture similar to the theft of Russian assets similarly sent to a fascist regime in Kiev.
Taxes are like tithes except tithes are voluntary. Tithes to the theocratic state of Israel were viewed as a joyful obligation to God through the priests and the levites but bypassing the priests and levites was always an option when it came to pure charity.
In theory, every seven years there was year of release from debt, and every fifty years there was a return of hereditary lands to the original owners or descendants. One might argue that never worked, it was never really truly practiced, the system soon became impracticable and obsolete, and theirs was not a true fiat currency system like ours. All those arguments are like debating the difference between heaven and earth. In theory, heaven is always better, and in practice, heavenly views, true or false, greatly upset the powers that be.
So who cares? Even Waters likely doesn’t care. But we try to enforce taxes and they are hardly willingly and joyfully given. Nonetheless, if there’s any divinity in any of that, the willing and the joyful have a lot going for them, and the humorous.
“We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.”
― Konstantin Josef Jireček
The true provenance of this quote is hard to trace. It was also found on a Zippo lighter from the Vietnam war. The USN May claim some impetus from it. Finding the quote from Jireček in context would require linguistic competencies that I don’t have but Waters’ unqualified endorsement of democracy leads me towards some qualifications. The qualified are always the best and if democracy creates more unqualified than qualified, it’s bound to fail.
I should amend my last statement to say that qualified and unqualified is often a more non binary matter of choice. It’s multidimensional. Waters was chosen by Russia to represent alternative western views in the Security Council. Any member of the VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) could be chosen to do the same.
Then America could maybe produce a Skripal, if there are any, or a chess player, like Karpov.
But the VIPS and Skripals don’t get to speak, anywhere near the MSM. Karpov might because he often delivers the approved shit posting on Putin. If there is anything to be illustrated here, it’s the thought control in the wall of education that Waters speaks of, where these are all bricks in the walls of hateful education, which is that Russophobia that Ritter so thoughtfully opposes.
Hatred and propaganda are also multidimensional, like love.
Ephesians 3:17-19 (KJV) 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
AW this site promotes similar perspectives to A and E for 9/11 truth.The VIPS and Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, have some overlapping members.They are mostly made up of “Whistleblowers” exposing the U.S. Government’s crimes. The two group are part of the massive cointel pro U.S. program to push the government’s version as well as other psy-ops.
I have researched most of them as they all support the U.S. Government’s story on the 9/11 attacks. These are all professionals, who because of their work experiences would know exactly what happened on 9/11.
I do have my favorites.
Annie Machon was working for MI5 , along with her co-worker and lover , David Shayler. David was in prison for his whistleblowing. Due to the stress this brought him he has become psychotic.There are many videos of him online.He now wears a dress and believes he is Jesus. He believes humans came from aliens.
Ray McGovern, the Jesuit, has been dragged out of multiple speaking engagements of Donald Rumsfeld. He screams and cries and somehow he can sneak into more events.
Assange and Snowden were both given the Sam Adams Award for Integrity in Intelligence. The movies about their cases were made by Laura Poitras.
Laura Poitras is the middle daughter of Patricia “Pat” and James “Jim” Poitras, who in 2007 donated $20 million to found The Poitras Center for Affective Disorders Research at McGovern Institute for Brain Research, part of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. They were friends with the 1972 Democratic candidate for president, George McGovern, who lost in a landslide to Nixon.They are major supporters of the Democratic Party.
The cases of Snowden and Assange were started under Obama, a democrat, who aggressively went after both. On the 9/11 attacks Snowden believes the U.S. was not involved and Assange believes “”On the 9/11 issue generally, I don’t think it is particularly important.” ( i.e. to find the truth)
Seymour Hersch reported that the death of Bin Laden on the ship was a lie by the government yet he supports the Bin Laden 9/11 version.
This is a small representation of the agents in these groups.
P.S. calling me a conspiracy theorist will not go over well on this site.
Please stay on topic or take your discussion to the MFC or an appropriate article. Any further will go to trash. Mod.
The contrast between Berliner Zeitung’s truly toxic and delusional questions and Roger Water’s thoughtful and enlightened answers is extraordinary.
Refugees are currently paying to be smuggled into Europe; I wonder how long it will be before Europeans are paying to be smuggled out?
The mainstream media in the “West” are 100% streamlined orchestrated steered propaganda, lies, incitement, hate, brainwashing, PsyOps, obfuscation, gaslighting, cover-ups, super dumb BS to dumb the population down.
Nothing in the mainstream media has anything to do with truth, research, discussion, science, discourse.
Anyone who believes the media do “honest journalism” (or will ever do “honest journalism”) is delusional.
Unfortunately a lot of people still believe the mainstream or at least accept it as a frame of reference.
But the only way to deal with the mainstream media is to show its true nature, and to get information and discourse from other sources and in other places.
From the Corbett Report forum:
First you fight them,
then you ridicule them,
then you ignore them,
then they are gone.
From the questioning, sounds like Germany has the same “problem” as we here in the U.S.A. when it comes to who is running the show. At least there appears a glimmer of hope in Germany as I doubt the New York Times would ever allow an interview with Roger Waters.
Waters is not afraid to change his mind when facts require it. The stigma of WWI that UK and France hoisted on Germany no longer pays dividends as historians have enough facts that WWI was a British attempt to save the Empire as are the present US wars including Ukraine to save the American Empire. The Slavs have paid a huge price for this in lives and unity. Britain was also instrumental in orchestrating WWII in hopes that Hitler and Stalin would fight it out and UK and France would divide the spoils. Germany’s generations are paying the price for this
Either way I don’t know of too many ordinary citizens that were well off during war time, from the civil war straight up to both world wars, many citizens were cannon fodder for the political and military theaters.
Its not until things get somewhat straightened out after all the fighting that life gets back to normal.
Dave Gilmour was Roger’s guitarist and sometimes singer — that’s all. Poor Polly’s prose: about as insightful and subtle as her attempt at writing lyrics for her husband’s band.
Rogers is a good man and I have a similar outlook as his about Ukraine, AIPAC and Antisemitism. I would love to see him stick to his principles and cancel his US Tour. He can explain why to his fans. It should slap the USA awake.
On another note, Biden should be impeached for High Crimes for destruction of Nordstream and usurping the power to declare war from Congress by unilaterally committing an act of war against Germany and Russia.
Since David Gilmour and his wife jump on the bandwagon of childish name-calling, we can do that as well. When the facts are not convenient, people resort to insults and name-calling. Of course, in a formal debate “ad hominem” attacks will disqualify you and you will automatically lose the debate.
But since Gilmour, wife, and most of the Mass Media Cartel are anti-intellectual and don’t deal in facts, I can join in the fun:
David Gilmour is an overrated, pompous tosser and a coward, and his wife a brainless sycophant. I suggest they crack open some history books and get back to us when they can engage in an adult conversation.
Really beautiful to see Roger answer these morons’ questions so elegantly. … but the interviewer is quite a piece of work, sounds exactly like some completely brainwashed automaton.
“…completely brainwashed automaton.”
You just described the job qualifications for being an MSM journalist in Germany. It is true there are people publishing in German who do not parrot Die Partei, but you’ve never heard of them.
“Never again” does not mean no more Jews in ovens. It means no more dehumanizing others and committing atrocities against them. The Germans have not learned Hannah Arendt’s lesson and allow evil to thrive by going along to get along.
My most sincere apologies to Anatoly Karpov for taking his name in vain re Russophobia. I meant Garry Kasparov who is actually more of a Putinophobe than a Russophobe.
Kasparov may be more a hater of Putin than a fearer but usually hatred and fear are like non identical twins. What we hate we fear, and vice versa. That doesn’t mean that Kasparov does not engage on the subject in western media, since he contributes greatly on the subject of Putin in western media with the object of calumny and vituperation.
But we get the thought control in western media through various approved lenses and many views are completely unapproved, like Waters has been to date.
But Waters does not make it in MSM, despite his UN address, does he?
The UN doesn’t matter any more because of the so called new ‘rules based international order’.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Waters and all of us may be out of place and out of time but it may be as much about the journey as the destination, and trying to bring everything into judgment could be more wearisome and worrisome than productive.
Mar 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mar 4:27 And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
Mar 4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
Mar 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
We can overwork it. Sometimes it’s best to relax and let it work out naturally.
Waters is getting closer to the truth in my opinion. Truthseeking is more of a journey than a destination. I have Waters pegged as a sincere and courageous truthseeker.
Berliner Zeitung: “There is no evidence that there has been genocide in Ukraine.”
There is a ton of evidence.
WARNING! Don’t click this if you are faint of heart:
When that angry person said “tax-avoiding”, e should have said “tax-evading”.
I can’t be bothered explaining the excellent distinction between avoid and evade, but know this: Avoiding taxes is the right of every citizen; Evading taxes is illegal.
Taxation is theft and is always morally illegal no matter what they write in the books.There are three kinds of taxpayers; willing suckers, unwilling victims, and those who escape via evasion and avoidance. Evasion is perfectly “legal” as long as you don’t get caught.
Only taxation without representation is theft. Humane government can help manage the wealth and interests of the people for a better society with self developed order. Pure self interest without community brings about the greatest theft.
Wow, Gilmour and wife call Waters a thief, and a bunch of other names. Waters wrote almost all of Pink Floyd’s masterpieces – who is the thief?. These folks give hypocrisy a bad name. Gilmour has Ukro colors on his twitter pic? Huh? He, like many, are bone-ignorant on the subject, but think they are experts as they watch BBC and read some headlines online.
Gilmour is a pompous, ignorant tosser, and his wife a brainless sycophant. They should crack open some history books, and get back to us when they can have an honest, fact-based conversation like adults.
One of those guys was secretly fed acid for breakfast so he could be more creative, and I don’t believe it was Waters taking the hits cause I heard that fellow didn’t fare so well.
I am glad I read this after listening to Waters UN speech. This is more nuanced and shows that he has understood Russian thinking. The speech was an attempt to speak for all humane opposition to war and to confront the UN with their failure in this pursuit.
He doesn’t let himself be bullied, but also doesn’t bully back.
I hope the interviewer thought about the answers Waters gave him.
BTW, who is David Gilmour?
Rhetorical question! Even though I actually don’t know who he is.
But, I dont GAF who he is, either.
He is Nobody.
Roger Watson is a genuine world citizen. I do hope he gets invited to Moscow to perform—or just to talk.
Having read the comments, I don’t think I noticed more than a comment or two about Russia having been the ones who brought Mr. Waters in to speak, and this only in passing. No one focussed on what motivated the Russian side to do this. I have a feeling that it may have been Russia’s final attempt on the World’s largest stage (and the one where 5 powers have ultimate say) to reach out their hand for a partner (the US the only important candidate) for negotiation and de-escalation before (finally) getting started. *aside* – a few months ago a Russian official had quipped “we haven’t started yet. So, final attempt, and a final warning.
Thanks to Roger Waters for fighting the good figth.