In an article in a British newspaper Russia’s ambassador to the UK reveals the Russians were told by the Western powers that after the US proclaimed a no-fly zone ISIS would capture Damascus
by Alexander Mercouris for Russia Insider: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-ambassador-uk-drops-bombshell-us-expected-isis-seize-damascus-october/ri12860
Alexander Yakovenko, Russia’s ambassador to Britain, dropped something of a bombshell on Monday, though one that has gone completely unnoticed.
In a piece in the print edition of the London Evening Standard defending Russian policy in Syria he made the following extraordinary disclosure:
“Last summer we were told by our Western partners that in October Damascus would fall to IS (ie. the Islamic State – AM).
What they were planning to do next we don’t know. Probably, they would have ended up painting the extremists white and accepting them as a Sunni state straddling Iraq and Syria”.
The summer – when these conversations between the Western powers and the Russians allegedly took place – was the time when the US was in discussions with Turkey and Jordan about setting up a no-fly zone and safe havens in Syria.
I discussed in this article how “no-fly zone” is today simply a euphemism for a US bombing campaign.
What Yakovenko is therefore in effect saying is that the US was planning in the summer to start a bombing campaign to overthrow the government of Syria in the knowledge that this would result by October in the victory of the Islamic State and its capture of Damascus.
Russia Insider has previously explained that it was to stop the US proclaiming a no-fly zone – i.e. commencing a bombing campaign aimed at overthrowing the Syrian government – that Russia intervened in Syria.
The fact Yakovenko says the US told the Russians this would result in the Islamic State capturing Damascus by October explains why the Russians felt they had to act as they did.
Is Yakovenko however telling the truth?
The first thing to say is that the British and US governments have not denied what he is saying.
That however is not conclusive. It is not difficult to see why the British and US governments might think that in light of the incendiary nature of what Yakovenko is saying denying it would simply give his comments more publicity if they denied them and that the better approach is silence.
If so, then the fact Yakovenko’s comments have been almost entirely ignored shows this approach has worked.
Is Yakovenko however senior enough to know the details of the discussions that took place in the summer between the Russians and the Western powers as he says?
The answer to that question is almost certainly yes.
Though London is no longer the most important diplomatic posting for a Russian ambassador in Western Europe, it remains an important posting, and any official appointed to be Russia’s ambassador to Britain is by definition a senior official whom Moscow will ensure is kept well-informed.
If there were discussions of the sort Yakovenko says, he would almost certainly have been fully briefed about them.
What Yakovenko says is also consistent with things we know.
In the summer – having just captured Palmyra – the Islamic State was on a roll, making it not implausible that it might reach Damascus by the autumn.
The Syrian army in the meantime had suffered a succession of heavy defeats, and had been forced to withdraw from Idlib province.
In light of all this, in the context of a US bombing campaign, it is not implausible the US was telling the Russians in the summer that the Islamic State would seize Damascus by October.
As for the US’s discussions about setting up a no-fly zone and safe havens, there was nothing secret about those, and they were openly acknowledged.
Why however would the US tell the Russians that they expected the Islamic State to seize Damascus by October?
That is not a difficult question to answer.
No-one in the early summer thought there was any likelihood the Russians would intervene militarily in Syria. The US probably thought it was not risking anything by telling Moscow its military plans and what their likely consequences would be.
Probably what the US expected was that the threat of a bombing campaign leading to the seizure of Damascus by the Islamic State would terrify Moscow and persuade the Russians to force Assad to stand down, which has been the US objective all along.
In that case the US seriously underestimated the Russians’ resolve and their willingness to act to prevent what the US was threatening from coming to pass.
Overall Yakovenko’s disclosure makes sense, and is therefore probably true.
What it shows is how reckless the US’s Syrian policy had become.
At the very time the US was pretending to fight the Islamic State it was in fact preparing steps that it knew would facilitate its victory.
Even if this was intended as a diplomatic play it was an extraordinary thing to do.
The families of US victims of jihadi terror would surely feel betrayed if they were ever find out about it, whilst it is not difficult to imagine the consternation and recriminations in Washington when the Russians unexpectedly pre-empted the US strategy by intervening in the way they did.
As for the people of Damascus – spared not just US bombing but rule by the Islamic State – and the people of Europe – who would have faced a far bigger refugee flood if what Washington was telling the Russians had come to pass – they both have reason to be grateful to the Russians for making sure that things turned out otherwise.
Can you please arrange an interview with someone from IS. We hear a lot of nasty stuff and comment about them. What do they claim themselves.
Far simpler ways to find out.. Read some Arabic news..
Russian Aerospace Forces spokesman Lt. Gen. Igor Konashenkov denies a missile fired from the Russian Caspian sea flotilla could have destroyed the MSF hospital in Idlib province, says it was an American air strike launched from Turkey:
While there’s certainly always a lot of propaganda about official enemies of the day, Isis feed this stuff energetically. In the case of Isis, most of the propaganda is merely echoing their own claims. If anything, they have their own propaganda going, which is as much aimed at polarization as the Western stuff is. It’s not like Iran, where official USA trumpets “They’re the enemy!” while, unnoticed, they’re busily saying “No we aren’t, we’re just trying to make a living in peace here!”
To the contrary, Isis seem to actively want the “West” to hate them and to extend that hate to Islam in general, in order to leave Muslims no viable allegiance except to jihadists like themselves. The end goal is to use the pressure/threat of the Western enemy to weld the Islamic world together into a single Jihadist superbloc, the Caliphate. This strategy is actually inherited from Osama bin Laden, it’s just at a more advanced stage now. And it requires goading the West into the kind of actions that create a backlash in the Muslim world; luckily for them, this has so far proved very easy. The Americans may be under the impression that they’re using Isis, but to me it’s an open question just who is playing whom.
Every time the West attacks or destabilizes another broadly Middle Eastern country, the Isis agenda is advanced; this will tend to be true even if the West goes into a country with a big Isis presence and “defeats” them. The only real defeat they’re looking at thus far is in Syria. Why? Because in that war, they are losing primarily to the Syrian army, a local force with more popular legitimacy than they have, and the Russians, in helping the Syrian government, are being careful not to undermine their independence and legitimacy. Russia is not really part of “the West” anyway. Thus if they lose in Syria it doesn’t advance their narrative but instead detracts from it.
Unfortunately, there are IMO few regimes in the region with the kind of legitimacy that would allow such an outcome in a similar situation. For instance, the typical “Gulf states” are nasty corrupt monarchies where the citizenry’s loyalty is secured only with oil money and in any case the citizens are often outnumbered by the disenfranchised supposedly-transient labourers. Egypt is a dictatorship that is basically the direct heir of a corrupt regime ousted by popular unrest only a few years ago, and only surviving economically on handouts from Saudi Arabia; if the price of bread goes up again and the Saudis find themselves short of money due to the price of oil, the Egyptian government could go under without even any help from Isis. There are lots of places, basically, where the government is sufficiently rotten and beholden to the West that if Isis got a serious foothold, they would need serious propping up to stay in power but every bit of force the US et al. exerted on their behalf would just strengthen the Isis “clash of civilizations” narrative. And the United States has thought itself clever to systematically target for destruction those countries where that was less true (Iraq, Syria, Libya, to some degree Lebanon etc). I think they underestimate their catspaws.
ISIS and USA are the same guys after all. I don’t believe your story at all and wonder how you came to all those conclusions..
That’s nice. Don’t suppose you’d deign to say why?
@Purple LIbrary Guy
This all makes sense to me.
How ironic that the “clash of civilizations” meme seems to have become a boomerang delivering a backlash—or maybe a kind of poison pill— that seems by its essence impervious to countering now with any ideological arguments such as “We are all in this together; Muslim terrorists are the real enemy but ‘moderates’ are on our side.”
In other words, it seems to be a bit late for the West to say “We didn’t really mean it when we babbled on about the clash of civilizations! Let’s all get together to fight ISIS.”
…. and Maybe sing kumbaya around the campfire ;)
Russia is on the news/media/facts offensive at the moment.
The Russian Ambassador to the UK was also interviewed on Sophie & Co on RT the other day. He mentioned that RT is the most watched News now in the UK after the BBC. This has been followed by Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria going on RT news yesterday and doing a programme for In the Now on RT to be shown tommorrow.
Meanwhile at the UNSC the Russian gloves came off and Russia submits to UN SC “express review” of gross violations of UN Charter by US, UK. They have had a gutful of Ukraine/Crimea blame.
And they are backing up with true facts – every lie told by MSM, Turkey etc about their operation in Syria with hard cold facts. The Russian Defence Ministry wont put up with any rubbish.
So the Ambassador letting this bit of info out – isn’t a surprise. They realise the US and their allies cannot be trusted and need to get the truth out there…
And on a moral religious front you have the RT interview with Patriarch Kirill toady where he talks about the need for morality and all Christians and other religions coming together to preserve morality.
So I think more and more is going to be leaked out here and there.
I have been watching the wall-to-wall accounts of alleged “russian cluster bombing” (some astonishing footage on Al Jazerra by the way where did they get that?) demolished “hospitals”, “children”, etc., and ebding with the “Russia is to blame for the refugee crisis in syria” meme. Backed up with Turkish politicians calling the Russians terrorists. It’s wall-to-wall, BBC, Sky, German TV, etc,
The response from RT is pretty lame if you ask me, they haven’t really begun to comprehend the depth of this latest propaganda attack. The journalists I watched struck me as quite niave, explaining “why it could not be a russian ballistic missile” etc. The MSM wins hands down every time at the moment. It’s the “doubt” already planted in their viewers minds, that they propagate and nurture.
Do we have a false flag here from the US? That has been conveniently parked into the Russian lap? It would be good to get some sophisticated analysis. On the offensive you say, well, they need to convene a video conference very quickly with radar evidence, similar to the Buk missile crisis in the Ukraine, to get the message across very quickly that it wasn’t one of their planes or missiles. They need more than denials.
Also the images of free fallings bombs from Russian bombers are being shown every few seconds to back up these claims. Of course they would eventually use these images but it communicates very simply to mr Joe Public that the Russian bombing is, indeed, in this instance not accurate, or laser guided, that if they were using these bombing techniques from up on high, then they might very well have inadvertently bombed a hospital. You only need the merest slither of suspicion to get your ideological point across.
Thus, they have images of so called WW2 bombing techniques. I seem to remember seeing this same footage on RT months ago, with the idea that it was carpet bombing IS, well now the MSM are using the same images to imply that Russia is carpet bombing innocent civilians in Aleppo.
You win some and lose some.
Maybe you should stop watching MSM news and watch and read the Russian news instead……I will have to dig it out the link I saw today – 75% of Brits don’t believe Russia is the threat and should have better relations – so your comment doesn’t tie up with reality.
everyone knows it is absolute BS……and just shows how depraved their ruling class has become. Aside from the odd neanderthal that is would would probably join the forces for queen and country no matter what the case.
Russia is a perrenial stupid nation so far as her ability to project positive image is concerned.
Russia does not even know her enemies let alone alliesrussia gets bogged diwn in particulars and details abput refuting western lies while she should just shrug the western narrative and tell the world aboutt dsily happenings of yemen civilians being bimbed by saudis and their british masters.
But nothing is coming from rusdian media.
Russia has no gane she just reacts to what west does.
In propaganda as in many things, best defence is a good offence. Rather than spending a bunch of time denying stuff which only draws attention to the allegations, they’d be better off pointing out what the Turks and Americans and Saudis are doing.
So for instance, the Turks are currently engaged in acts of war against Syria which, if a non-US-ally were doing them to a US ally, would be leading to calls for invasion. So for instance, the US and Saudis are engaged in massive war crimes against Yemen, including the blockade of food supplies to an entire country of people which does not produce most of its own food, which can be expected to lead to mass starvation. So for instance, the US hasn’t been actually bombing ISIS, so who have they been bombing? I’m sure there’s plenty of civilian casualties involved, as usual. So for instance, they could certainly be repeating loudly and often the very topic of the post we’re commenting on: The US appear to have intended to install ISIS as the government of Syria, so everything they squall about international terrorism is the most incredible hypocrisy.
You reference Mr. Joe public. If you are speaking about in the land of empire, I must ask, do you reside here in the US? Because, if yes, you are very much unaware of reality. Mr. Joe Public here in the empire is completely complacent and could give a crap about what’s occurring anywhere else. Their time is spent working, eating, watching frivolous “entertainment” on the tube and sleeping. Mr. Joe Public has no concept of what goes on in the world. Mr. Joe Public supports the troops. Believes the troops are directly responsible for his “freedoms” here in the police/incarceration state. Mr. Joe Public says “it ain’t happenin’ here, so I could care less. Besides, the games comin’ on.
Get the point?
As someone who speaks arabic, perhaps I can help you develop some idea of what IS ‘claim themselves.’
They claim shit about themselves. They’re a bunch of illiterate high school drop outs. They’re the scum of arabic society, just as you have scum in all societies who feel emboldened when the rule of law breaks. IS’s leadership is the grown-up (arrested) version of this scum.
Hope this helps to confirm the ‘nasty stuff’ you’ve been hearing about IS.
Absolutely correct! I also know Arabic and Azzaz is right on target.
Folks, be very weary of the many ‘sources’ out there that are trying to paint ISIS (and co.)as some kind of ‘major’ force/representation of Arabs/Islam. Some of the same sources are also attempting to portray ISIS (and co.) as some kind of organized modern day Wehrmacht or Napoleons’ Grande Arme’.
Truth is, the vast majority are teenagers, brainwashed, misguided, mentally imbalanced, criminally inclined and ignorant.
If there are about 1.3 billion muslims in the World today; and lets say these ISIS (and co.) are as a rough estimate to be around 100,000; then that comes to around 0.01% I believe of the Muslim World out there. ISIS (and co) are a very, very fringe grouping.
I neglected to mention that this scum (IS) provides a large reserve of useful idiots for ‘Empire’; a term that the great Saker is fond of using, but is perhaps vague about what / who this entity refers to.
Yakovenko reveals Humpty Dumpty’s arrogant plans. But Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, and “all the King’s horses and all the King’s men couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.”
Putin gave Humpty Dumpty a nudge off the high wall and down he went.
The lead of one US site’s morning briefing today is
Putin is on the High End of History:
The annual Munich Security Conference ended Sunday with many speeches and press reports across the trans-Atlantic region projecting an invasion of Syria by Turkey and the Saudis, egged on by Obama’s Defense Secretary Ash Carter, to stop the Russians and the reconstituted Syrian military forces from saving Syria from the fate of Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Lyndon LaRouche said today, “It’s a bluff. They can’t win, so they are bluffing. The Saudis are in jeopardy, broke. The Erdogan policy is a failure. There may be a breaking of the ranks within Turkey against Erdogan. Putin is in control of the front in Syria, and therefore controls the situation. He’s sitting there, continuing with his policy. The Syrian forces have been consolidated and will likely take Aleppo and perhaps Raqqa.
LaRouche added that “Putin is on the high end of history.”
Meanwhile, the entire western financial system is in a state of free fall. The utter bankruptcy of the system was addressed today by one of Germany’s “Wise Men” from the German Council of Economic Advisers, Prof. Peter Bofinger, who issued a strong dissent from the Council’s backing for the bail-in policy (backed by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble). The bail-in, he said will “ignite an unstoppable Euro bond crisis,” adding that the policy is “the easiest way to break up the Euro Zone.” Italy and Spain, he said, will not accept the bail-in theft of their citizens’ savings, but will be forced to return to their national currencies.
Obama is vulnerable. His “regime change” policy has run into the force of reason, lead by Putin and the Chinese Silk Road. His defense of Wall Street and rejection of Glass Steagall has now been exposed as the source of a speculative bubble far bigger than that which sparked the 2008 crisis. His mass killing, through drones, through perpetual war, through legalized drugs, and through deadly economic austerity, has caught up with him. The American population knows this, but is scared and cowardly, accepting the fraud of an election campaign which does not even acknowledge the clear danger, let alone offer any solutions.
The solution is known – but it must be implemented now, which requires the removal of Obama from office by constitutional means, in order to shut down Wall Street and stop the rush toward thermonuclear war. Inspiring the American population, and the world, by fighting for the restoration of America’s space program, in league with China and Russia, as a science driver for humanity, is the most urgent necessity.
Site is http://www.larouchepac.com
“the removal of Obama”
You are falling (as a lot of people do) to the fallacy of thinking that the US regime is somewhat dependent, or can somewhat be influenced, by whoever holds the current “public face” of the regime.
The only role of the president of the USA is to serve as a “public face” for the regime, and pretend the regime is democratic. But the policies of the regime are not tied to, nor can be stopped by, an indiovidual president.
Just look at recent history: presidents can change, they can come from different parties and backgrounds, yet the regime policy remains unchanged.
Indeed. I suspect that should either Trump or Sanders get in, both of whom depart from elite consensus in important ways (Sanders more so on domestic policy, Trump more so on foreign policy), they will either find themselves unable to accomplish anything, or will be eliminated as “accidentally” as possible.
You’re concern is amply justified, Purple L G. Three midwestern Senate candidates in a row–each a progressive Democrat favored to win–died in unexplained plane crashes. Jerry Litton (D Missouri)was killed this way in September 1976. On October 16, 2000, Missouri governor Mel Carnahan (who won the election despite being dead) was also killed in a plane crash. Just two years later, on Oct 25, 2002. Senator Paul Wellstone, his wife, daughter and staff, died the same way. One attempt to bomb Wellstone’s plane (in Colombia) had been thwarted a few years earlier. Then you had Rep Larkin Smith of Miss, involved in investigating CIA drug running “taken out” the same way, Commerce Sec Ron Brown (who had reportedly been sniffing in the wrong places, dead in Croatia, Hale Boggs, back in 1972, who seems to have been overly curious about the Kennedy assassination, crashing off Alaska.
These cases probably only skim the surface. Enjoy your posts
The President of the USA has a lot of power if he has courage enough to exercise it.
“Indeed. I suspect that should either Trump or Sanders get in, both of whom depart from elite consensus in important ways (Sanders more so on domestic policy, Trump more so on foreign policy), they will either find themselves unable to accomplish anything, or will be eliminated as “accidentally” as possible”.
The sheeple keep falling for variations of the same trick over and over again. We had Obama elected as a black man in possibly the most institutionally racist country on the planet on a promise of hope and change and “yes we can”, bringing hope to the sheeple that things are finally changing in America. We now have them putting up the “socialist” (really ? in America?) Sanders on a pretext of being for the ordinary working class and promising among other things to abolish student loans, and Trump as a self financed (and therefore supposedly not beholden to any interest groups, what a joke, the man is an entire interest group by himself) billionaire catering to the baser instincts of the sheeple.
Nothing is going to change. The king is dead long live the king. The only way any meaningful change is going to come to America is if America were to suffer a massive military defeat of the deep state and an entire dismantling of its military industrial complex end of.
“Nothing is going to change. The king is dead long live the king. The only way any meaningful change is going to come to America is if America were to suffer a massive military defeat of the deep state and an entire dismantling of its military industrial complex end of.” //
American democracy is the greatest show/con job on earth. The Americans always promote this or that false political messiah whenever they feel discontent growing among the sheeple.
The United States has mastered the art of promoting the illusion of democracy and politcal choice and change–all of which ultimately lead straight back to the same old system.
If you really want to understand what America is about, study Madison Avenue and its marketing tactics where they promise you a “new and improved” product that is basically the same as the old product.
Trump and Sanders are this election’s version of the “new and improved” scam–just like Obama was before them.
Sometimes the capitalist class has to be rescued from itself much the way FDR did with his social policies back in the 40’s. Sanders could play the same role today if he had any balls at all. That is what it is going to take if the USA is not going to totally collapse. The NSR etc that China and Russia are seeking to build are not so much socialism, but part of the overhead costs of capitalism-those aspects that the take away from the profit factor and the owners do not want to have to pay for. This is why I cannot support the art of the deal Trump, he will want to build highways only the tolls will also have to include rentier fees to support a parasitic class rather than just pay for the roads and upkeep themselves.
Your point is something that everyone on this site and other truth seekers should always keep in mind.
Please keep bringing it up, more people need to recognize they are fighting with shadows. The president is at best simply a spokesman, at worst a shill.
The human adapter to the presidential teleprompter.
Probably a bit over the top but sadly not too far from the truth.
Pavlo, did anyone say that removing one puppet (Obama) would be the first, last, and only step needed to return the USA to some sort of enduring sanity?
No they did not. Obviously many steps over many years are required.
Confucious say, “Longest journey starts with single step.” Take first step, but do not rest on laurels. Continue forward. Take as many steps as required to finish the journey, arriving at the destination.
“Ni un paso atras!!!”
“His (Obama’s) defense of Wall Street and rejection of Glass Steagall has now been exposed as the source of a speculative bubble far bigger than that which sparked the 2008 crisis.”
Correction: Glass-Steagall is repealed in 1999* by Clinton. Obama’s administration opposed it’s reenactment. Subtly suggesting otherwise is blatant rewriting of history.
*de facto repealed an year earlier with the illegal Citicorp/Travelers merger into Citigroup
Vasco, why are you quibbling? Obama has exerted great executive branch pressure on Democrats to not endorse the re-enactment, restoration, etc of Glass Steagall. Is that not a “rejection” of it, as as the link says, in characterizing where Obama stands?? Of course it is!
Rejection does not necessarily have to exactly equal repeal, done by Congress in the later part of Clinton’s second term. After many piecemeal erosions of Glass Steagall by others, earlier.
Merely applying the same relevance as the author. It is not so much about personalising the responsibility (I would focus in Larry Summers in which case), more about not whishing to disconnect the two moments 2008 crisis and the current one as sharing that same origin, being one of the most significant imo.
You reference Mr. Joe public. If you are speaking about in the land of empire, I must ask, do you reside here in the US? Because, if yes, you are very much unaware of reality. Mr. Joe Public here in the empire is completely complacent and could give a crap about what’s occurring anywhere else. Their time is spent working, eating, watching frivolous “entertainment” on the tube and sleeping. Mr. Joe Public has no concept of what goes on in the world. Mr. Joe Public supports the troops. Believes the troops are directly responsible for his “freedoms” here in the police/incarceration state. Mr. Joe Public says “it ain’t happenin’ here, so I could care less. Besides, the games comin’ on.
Get the point?
“It is not difficult to see why the British and US governments might think that in light of the incendiary nature of what Yakovenko is saying denying it would simply give his comments more publicity if they denied them and that the better approach is silence.”
I’ve noticed an identical approach taken on Jewish run zionist websites (such as the guardian in the past and moon of alabama presently). Seriously damaging info is ignored and then buried under a mountain of filler comments.
(…) the people of Europe – who would have faced a far bigger refugee flood if what Washington was telling the Russians had come to pass – they both have reason to be grateful to the Russians for making sure that things turned out otherwise.
Of course, to know that, attached to be fully convinced that honesty, truth and law fall in the side of the Russians, is what keep us aligned with them in this fight, this, even leaving aside the historical weakness for the Russian people some of us feel here.
Comrades in the Russian Federation, thank you for being out there, I love you, ask me for whatever you may need.
‘Turkish Project’: Did Washington Give the Nod to Ankara to Shell Syria?
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160216/1034858678/us-turkey-syria-shelling.html
“Turkey should not be treated as a nation capable of carrying out independent policies, Syrian defense expert Hassan al-Hassan told RIA Novosti.
Instead, “Ankara should be seen as America’s Turkish project, which is aimed at creating controlled chaos in the region,” the retired general noted, adding that Washington, for instance, gave the nod to Turkey to shell Syria.
The US, according to al-Hassan, is upholding instability in the Middle East by simultaneously helping the Kurds, the Turks and the Saudis. Washington first launched this campaign in Tunisia and is now focused on Syria, he added, apparently referring to the so-called Arab Spring uprisings.
“I am convinced that the United States is deliberately dragging Turkey into the war… the same way that Washington convinced other countries to take part in conducting airstrikes in Syria,” the expert observed.
The US-led coalition is not authorized to participate in the anti-Daesh campaign in Syria since, unlike Russia, it has never been formally invited by the state to assist Damascus-led forces with its counterterrorism activities.”
““I am convinced that the United States is deliberately dragging Turkey into the war… the same way that Washington convinced other countries to take part in conducting airstrikes in Syria,” the expert observed”.
Interesting point of view. I was leaning more the other way that it was Turkey and SA attempting to embroil the US in the Syrian war but this man could well be right. It all comes back to what Americas ultimate goal in the middle east really is, if the aim is to set the Arab world alight and just get them slaughtering each other then they seem to be doing a good job of it and it may explain Erdogans insistence that yes, we are ready to launch a ground operation in Syria but we wont do it alone and you, America, must lead this invasion.
The US has a penchant for encouraging its vassals to launch attacks (Saddam Hussein against Iran, Sakaashvilli against S. Ossettia, Poroshenko in Ukraine) while it stands back and watches gleefully the ensuing chaos, that’s what they do best. It could well be this man is correct in his analysis and Washington was hoping for the Turks and Saudis to do their dirty work for them while they provide the arms, logistics and political cover to avoid a bringing them into a direct confrontation with the Russians.
Thank you for that, if I may, I second your comment. Folks, the way the ‘ordering’ goes is Israel tells America, which tells Turkey, Saudi what to do etc. And this goes for just about all of Americas domestic, foreign and financial policy.
Make no mistake, the white elephant sitting in the living room which most don’t see is International Organized Jewry / Zionism – a direct and clear and now present danger to humanity.
Keep it simple folks.
At this stage.. Americans are not any different than the romans.. who thought they were entitled to the privileges they had by birthright of being a roman. Spartacus taught them other wise.. Americans will learn much faster though.. being so exceptional.. Romans did not have toilet paper.. Once that’s gone, so is Exceptionalism..
WTF is right.. These are the most knowledgeable and liberal Americans.. Who have become Accustomed to living on leather covered sofas and large air conditioned offices and expensive nike shoes all built by slave labors in 3rd world countries..
And I got to ask, WTF as in WHO the @#$% gave the US the right to achieve ANY goal in Syria? As Syria is not part of the united states. Which is as far as I got in the article..
As talks of a ceasefire or “cessation of hostilities” take the headlines, Aleppo looms even larger as a key city in the 5-year Syrian civil war. Aleppo is not covered by any agreement for a ceasefire and regime and Russian forces are intensifying their attacks on this city under the pretext that the opposition forces consist largely of al Qaeda’s affiliate Jabhat al Nusra. The fall of Aleppo would be a devastating defeat for opposition forces, but even a long siege would be detrimental to U.S. interests as opposition forces would become more radicalized and Jabhat al Nusra would further cement its leadership role in northern Syria, effectively removing options to achieve American goals in northern Syria.
Below is the Conclusion from ISW’s recent paper “The Opposition Forces in Aleppo.” Read the full paper here.
Shedding more blood of the Syrian people is the way to peace by ISW?are American actually sleeping?do they not know the things that are committed in their name?…it is mind blowing that some peeps dont get it after what happened in Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan and now this……ISW and the corporate media are making a witch brew that the Americans are drinking!how much blood do they want?
“And I got to ask, WTF as in WHO the @#$% gave the US the right to achieve ANY goal in Syria? As Syria is not part of the united states.
This is the absolutely basic issue, the question that would first occur to any intelligent 10-year-old. The fact that it has to be “explained” is, just, weird. The USA has no right to pursue or achieve any goal in any country where it has not been invited, or with whom it does not have a defense treaty of some kind.
Isn’t that right? Am I wrong about this? Help!!
Noam Chomsky has been pointing out for decades that American foreign policy makes perfect sense, but only if you start from the assumption that the United States owns the world, and go from there.
No Katherine, your absolutely right. As a matter of fact, that is the essential issue to the whole conflict. What confuses this issue of national sovereignty is the layer of propaganda that permeates the way people communicate about this and other recent wars. These are 4 generation style wars, which by design are to be shrouded in (dis) information operations (aka propaganda).
See: Into the Fourth Generation
Like light through a prism, reality is bent or even artificially reprojected by network information warfare specialists and then amplified by the co-opted media. White becomes black and black white.
What people misunderstand is that the United States leadership is not stupid when they say the stupid things that they say – they are simply just lying with a purpose. (You will never convince a ‘Stupidity Theorist’ of this though;-)
But lately the lies are getting pretty thin, thankfully because there are some nations willing to confront the lies and uphold international law.
In the long run the truth will come out and along with it the consequence.
Dunno if or when or how the American people will wakeup to stop all this wanton nightmares!
Most of the good people on this site are here because they have woken up, are waking up and smell the BS and want the truth, some form of consolation. Well, if you want to know what has happenend, and will happen in the World with all the war, strife,lies etc ; look no further than perhaps the most revealing document ever written. Google it or whatever, its out there. Its called :
The Protocols Of The Learned Elders of Zion-
yes I know, a court in Basel, Switzerland has ruled it a forgery, but the problem with that is that like all forgeries, there is an original copy somewhere.
I cannot emphasize how much of a ‘must read’ this document it, as it will allow you to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. It was written not so long ago, but the ideology behind it has at work in various form since the dawn of mankind.
There are a ‘certain’ people whom have been and are on a diabolical agenda to control the World and humankind. If not stopped, events today will lead to thermonuclear war, as they will stop at nothing to achieve their goal of domination and subjugation of mankind. It is what it is.
As John McEnroe would say “you can’t be serious dude”. !!!!
I don’t know how much help it is to say you’re right, Katherine, but… you’re right. And I’m right they’re with you. It’s the rest of the country being so blind and mute and dead and dumb, it makes one feel a bit insecure, or out of touch with other people. My perception of politics and war and US Foreign Policy is so drastically different than everyone I know, I can’t even talk to people about these things in my life. Just online. I can’t even make one point to people without talking ten minutes to explain it. So that now I just encourage them to read sites like this to avoid the frustration. Truly independent media, it’s our only hope imo. I should say though, looking at comments on Wapo or NY Times compared to ten years ago on articles supporting neocon perceptions- it’s a huge difference. So that’s encouraging.
re: “…And I got to ask, WTF as in WHO the @#$% gave the US the right to achieve ANY goal in Syria? As Syria is not part of the united states. Which is as far as I got in the article..”
Just ask the residents of any of the 100 or so nations the US has invaded, ravaged, supressed, destroyed, robbed…. ever since (and before really) WWII. The US has been a criminal nation for a very long time. Owned by the Rothschild Khazarian Mafia…(in the ‘City of London’) backed by fake money, created by the Mafia out of thin air. And I am speaking as an American….not a ‘citizen’ of the Private Corporation of Criminals known as the “UNITED STATES” (inc.) located in the ‘District of Criminals’… i.e., Washington, DC. I am NOT a ‘citizen’ of the nation of vile corruption.
sorry that was me.. I post tidbits like this to show it is US culture which is colonialism and imperialism. As we can clearly see it is not just politics but every part of it is pro-lets steal and plunder.. And this is pretty blatant.. The ethnic cleaning of native Americans was not a mistake, it was don’t on purpose to steal their land and resources. They do the same to the entire world and then turn around and blame others for it. Syria is Russia’s fault.. Stealing is inbred into American psyche. Although under cover of things like NASA, NSA like entities uses stolen knowledge to turn it into American ones. The education system is another arena where this knowledge is turned into implementation. Things like goggle, facebook and such were started with seed money and technology given by the likes of NSA. Hence they are pro-stealing as well no matter what they say.
Very few people consider this to be wrong. Maybe the people should first follow the lords commandments to even be able to see this, though shall not covet they neighbors wife.. It must be me, because I have not met many Americans where this sin was not committed. Maybe why they are so hell bent on the rights of women. Cant do much if the women are locked up and sacked up and escorted like in extreme Muslim cultures. Again.. its is not the rights of women that counts.. It is preventing the coveting of women by themselves that cause the distress…
What is worse is the americans that are considered the lowest of themselves who are the most decent of them. The ones who have the least and follow the least American way of life.. The low lives and least ambitious. Which also means they have the least influence on any change.
And it is all done in the lords name.. even though not a single thing the lord commands is done.
to mmiriww…on US culture being pro-steal and plunder. Here is a presidential hopeful Trump quote to G. Stephanopolis on Iraq back in 2011 (after agreeing it was an illegal war): “You go in. You win the war and you take it (oil)….you’re not stealing anything…we’re taking back $1.5 trillion to reimburse ourselves.” Many more comments along this line are attributable to him.
Its encouraging to know that Russia intervened in these circumstances. This shows that Russia was and is prepared to go all the way in the defense of Syria and hence the world.
This bombshell is one more piece of evidence that America is actively arming and financing the Islamicist terrorists it comically claims to be fighting. Indeed,America has been sponsoring Islamcist terrorism for decades dating back to the Cold War and the Afghan jihad against the Soviet Union (led by America’s beloved terror asset Usama Bin Laden).
Both the Demcrats and Republicans are guilty of this state-sponsored terrorism.
Yet despite America’s covert embrace of Islamicist Jihadism, many brainwashed flag-waving American nationalists still don’t have the balls to question issues like 9-11 and the USA’s phony War on Terrorism.
This is because it would also compel Americans to admit that their own nation is not the Leader of the Free World, as it likes to boast, but rather the World’s Leading Terrorist State.
Such is the unreal world of the United States of Terrorism.
» No-one in the early summer thought there was any likelihood the Russians would intervene militarily in Syria. The US probably thought it was not risking anything by telling Moscow its military plans and what their likely consequences would be. «
Strange as it sounds, it might be true. There was this story on VoltaireNet back in November:
L’Otan vient-elle juste de comprendre que la Russie n’avait aucune intention de l’attaquer ?
=> Has NATO only just found out that Russia didn’t have any plans to attack it?
(No English, but Italian, Spanish, and Romanian translation of this article.)
Basically, it says that big fat ugly NATO seems to have been clueless as to what the Russians were up to with increased military aircraft maneuvering close to the British Isles and in the Mediterranean in 2014 and first half of 2015.
» The families of US victims of jihadi terror would surely feel betrayed if they were ever find out about it … «
If there ever were any, that is. The ISIS “executions” looked fake (with smiling and giggling relatives of the alleged “victim”), and 9/11 was a hoax with no victims. So any talk about “families of US victims of jihadi terror” is highly questionable.
Sometimes we forget. I don’t know how that can be possible, but we do; we just put it out of our minds because the implications are so depressing, or so infuriating that we just do not want to go there because why? Well, and I’m sad to say it’s because we have better things to do, or what is probably even more accurate, we think we have better things to do than to shoulder the responsibility of reining in what has become a blatantly unjust government. And I observe it has become so bad that what we have here has gone beyond the very definition of a government.
Let’s be honest with ourselves: not only has this sad excuse for a government heaped tyranny after tyranny upon us, disrespecting and violating every personal and property right there is, it has also been exporting this evil to virtually every point on the globe. But guess what America, what do you all think is going to happen when those people, beyond our shores, have had enough and the blowback starts? Just look, because it’s going on as I write this and it’s not going to end well, because what was founded is now infiltrated and usurped by people of such astounding psychopathy, and then We The People whose responsibility it is to not let this happen were so incredulous it could ever happen, did nothing to bring them back under our control.
James Madison had a lot to say about this, about a government that holds itself above the laws they create to control everybody they think are beneath their feet. I’m sure that if he were alive his indictment of them would be as scathing as it would be thorough. Heads hung in shame, for what has been perpetrated in our name, why they have turned our planet into a bloody crime scene of death, destruction and mayhem, where the same crimes get repeated time after time, and yet we look on, doe-eyed, as if it isn’t possible. And the people suffer on our watch, and in our name, for the protection of “democracy”. And then I read reports of what OUR secretary of state says out there in front of the whole world, and I feel the hurl reflex coming on. How has that man thus far avoided arrest? Because he is above the law, and operates in a law of his own.
This so-called government has a lot to answer for; we have a lot to answer for. Is it too late now? Do you think we can claw it back now, and avoid a scorched earth WW-III? WE have to reacquaint ourselves with the fundamentals underlying what they tried to do in Syria, in Damascus…it’s the repudiation of the unalienable right to property that every human being on this planet is endowed with by his or her Creator. Disrespecting that, every manner of evil and horror is possible, and has been inflicted already.
You are of course right in that post. But what “might,maybe” be a game changer (if used correctly with propaganda) is happening ,with at least one case in Texas. RT has a story that Federal Marshall’s have started “arresting” people over Student Loan Debts. Taking them to court where they are forced to sign a court mandated payment plan. That piece of information if used correctly could spark a real uprising among the middle classes in the US. I think if the right propaganda spread that information nationwide, it would enrage the middle classes like no “privacy laws” debate ,or “Human Rights” in other countries would.Being able to be jailed for debt ended in most of the West in the 19th Century. And I can’t see US Americans tolerating even the thought of that being allowed,to happen “to them”. Real,”cutting of the head of King’s” rebellions have started from far less in countries. I haven’t seen stats on this lately. But I’d say from what I’ve seen in the past. Many US American young people (and their families) have student loan debts unpaid. Probably in the billions of dollars all total.Most of those people are from the middle classes. The people that in history are the ones that “make revolutions” when angry enough. The threat of ending the draft deferments for US college students during the Vietnam War was what caused the majority of the US middle classes to start opposing that war. And caused the huge student movements in the US during the 1960’s. I know the banks and government are in trouble for money. But the lunacy of forcing the middle class youth to possibly oppose them in rebellion is an insane policy.But if they do continue it. More’s the better for the World. They could bring their own demise faster in an “American Spring”.
If Americans accepted the truth about their government it would imply that they had a moral responsibility to do something about it would that be the case. And the American people are to disoriented to realize that a socialist revolution is about the only thing that can save their own and the worlds fate. Perhaps is Sanders is elected and 1/10 of his domestic policies get passed-America will have a chance.
Socialism is the biggest cause of most of the worlds ills today. You are under the misconception that the US is a capitalist country. That ended decades ago and has been morphing into a socialist hell for the past few decades. The country today would be a totally alien entity to the founding fathers and something that they would fight against- Read a history book- Learn
Your grievance is certainly not without cause, but property right is a gross simplification.
The right to politically participate in society, the right to collectively decide on its fate, to be allowed to do it in peace have very little to do with “property right”, the injustices you allude to being exported go far beyond that or any right that may be expressed in USA’s Constitution, they affect precisely the right of other societies to build their own norms and fundamental laws.
Note the rights being trampled upon were not God given, they were conquered by the peoples, their cultures in respective societies and their struggled progress against lawlessness and injustice. At best God illuminated such rights to those of belief, but what of those whose belief instead finds roots in the physical reality and the observed injustices therein?
I will invite you to, in your mind, confront the concepts: right of one to shelter and the human need for shelter.
Believe me, this very earthly perversity goes far beyond mere violation of a supposedly God given “property right”. It is much worse in scope and depth.
It is appealing to refer to past historical figures who, from the distance of time, acquire the sanction and the sound of authority and wisdom. For sure, not everyone is completely bad or completely good. In the instance, however, I would like to remind those interested that Madison is the president who approved and conducted the first imperialist war of the us of a, namely the attempted (and failed) conquest of Canada, to bring thither “freedom and democracy” in the war of 1812-1814. When he (and other ‘hawks’) hoped that Britain would be too busy with Napoleon to support the Canadians.
You (and some other readers) may be interested in the series of (3) Historical Sketches on such war.
The first of the 3 is found at http://youtu.be/urpdaLARf5w (complete list here, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6e-X0PEeMneVYeDxMc3IS2JgQ3ZJtiBG). After having crossed the Detroit River in 1812, American General Hull issued the following proclamation, “Inhabitants of Canada! You will be emancipated from tyranny and oppression and restored to the dignified station of free men.” If it sounds familiar, it is. The Canadians were not impressed and he was soundly beaten by a force of Canadian, Native Americans and British, but you get the idea. Maybe today Madison would feel and speak as you say, but his actual behavior when alive was quite different.
This shows the sheer inhuman and psychopathic perfidy and savagery of the West. Imagine delivering Damascus to the gangs of ISIS to murder and rape–in the name of Islam, of course.
“and the people of Europe – who would have faced a far bigger refugee flood if what Washington was telling the Russians had come to pass – they both have reason to be grateful to the Russians for making sure that things turned out otherwise.”
Europeans have been turned in to brain-dead zombies, they only follow what their US mind-controlled leaders say and do. For the Russians, so far, I am sorry to say, it feels like “no good deed go unpunished”. Just listen to the latest propaganda on the bombing of civilians and hospitals in Azaz – Russians being blamed, again…
It was a known fact that by late summer/early fall last year Syria was on the ropes, literally weeks from falling after fighting NATO for almost five years. I would be willing to wager that Moskau knew this fact and that is why Russia acted with alacrity when the request for help arrived.
In my opinion after the destruction of the Syrian State the plan was to run massive pipe lines from the peninsula north through Syria to the Med shores and POL would then have a short transit to EU. Long range plans were for gas and POL pipelines under the Med to EU. End game? Eliminate Russia as the main energy supplier to EU, thereby giving catastrophic damage to the economy of Russia. Ukraine, the main transit for Russian energy to EU? Who cares? The term ‘useful fools’ comes to mind. Ukraine will return to being Malorus no matter who’s wing it is under, that cesspit is worth nothing more.
With Russia effectively defeating the US/NATO/EU plan for Syria, that’s two blows. The primary goal of US/NATO/EU in January/February ’14 was the golden prize, Sevastopol Harbor and Krimea Peninsula. Taking that would have effectively removed Russian control of the Black Sea for the future. With the citizens of Sevastopol and Krimea stopping that little plan, US/EU/NATO have had their teeth kicked in twice.
The looming sword of Damocles over EU is the massive gas and POL supply agreements Russia has made with Katai. In the not too distant future Katai will consume every meter of gas and oil Russia can supply. Guess who will have shortages when that event comes to pass? EU has shut down every nuke and almost every coal fired power plant they have due to environmental concerns. No gas, cold houses in winter. It’s going to be an interesting decade or two.
Author, Never The Last One
Rumors are that Russia’s intervention was decided when Iranian Republican Guard General Suleimani visited Moscow in August. Suleimani convinced the Russians that the situation was ten times worse than they already knew – Damascus just days away from falling.
Trust me, Mother knew the situation long before that event.
They sure waited until the last minute to do something about it didn’t they. Let’s hope there was a good reason like-technology was not quite ready or something like that. Otherwise…..no excuse would seem to match the reality on the ground-other than Assad not asking for help. That would be the only valid reason only. But it sure was a close darn call that is for sure.
It fells good to read your posts and comments every time.
Regarding “EU has shut down every nuke and almost every coal fired power plant they have due to environmental concerns.” I must disappoint you, because it is rather the opposite. Only Germany made a serious effort to shut down its nukes. It is definitively good to shut these rust bins down before they blow up. However, coal power stations keep working even though there is plenty of electric energy. EU electricity spot market prices are so low that gas power stations close down in quantities.
“No gas, cold houses in winter.”
Yes, this will be the outcome without North Stream II and/or South Stream.
“It’s going to be an interesting decade or two.”
Absolutely. Too interesting in my opinion.
Marcel, I stand corrected and I thank you for the correction. It has been some years since I was in EU and the few friends I have there are in The Fatherland, that is where my information about the shutdowns came from although I have read from other sources that many coal fired plants for electric have been shut down due to environmental concerns.
Still and all, without Russian gas EU and in particular Germany is in trouble for both industry and domestic facilities and we both know that. They can cope with a shut off of Russian gas but at what cost both monetarily and culturally? I only hope that Mutti lives to see this and has the joy of being spat upon as she walks down the street…not that she ever will but it’s a nice thought.
Author, Never The Last One
» without Russian gas EU and in particular Germany is in trouble for both industry and domestic facilities «
Germany made a foolish decision to stop its efficient and safe nuclear power plants and to reduce the “carbon footprint” because of the global warming scam. Instead, so-called “renewables” are propagated. Problem is, they only work when the wind blows and the sun shines. Which means, not regularly, not reliably. To compensate, gas power stations are needed that can quickly compensate variations in electricity input by wind and sunshine. Coal and nuclear power stations cannot quickly compensate, only gas can. So Germany’s foolishness is good for Russian gas export. Needless to say, electricity cost has gone through the roof. The only country in Europe where electricity is even more expensive is Denmark, which also has lots of expensive wind power. One major reason behind this foolish move is the foolishness of the German people.
The electricity prices in Germany doubled due to market liberalization _before_ renewables made any difference. There are three drivers behind that:
1. Grid prices literally exploded. The costs for maintenance and upgrades are as low as before (2 ct/kWh), because the electricity grid was paid off before the market liberalization. However, consumers are billed as if the grid were constructed yesterday (8 ct/kWh). +6 ct/kWh.
2. Taxes went through the roof. VAT was significantly increased several times. And the CO2 tax is used to defraud consumers 100% of it although about 95% of all emission rights are attributed to the coal smokers for free. Add another +3 to +4 ct/kWh.
3. The renewables are paid mostly by small consumers. The big energy junkies are taken off the hook. This adds currently 6.4 ct/kWh for small consumers. It would be less than 5 ct/kWh if every consumer would contribute equally. Meanwhile, wholesale electricity price went down from 6-7 ct/kWh to 3-4 cents/kWh due to renewables. This reduction is not propagated to the small consumers, leaving them alone with a +6 ct/kWh instead of a mere +1-2 ct/kWh.
Hence, the German electricity bill for small consumers contains 11-13 ct/kWh pure fraud of the total 25-27 ct/kWh. Germans are fools, I agree. But not because they closed down some of their rusty nuke bins.
One word about the safety myth of nuclear: nuclear power station were designed for 35-40 years lifespan (35 years production plus 5 years maintenance). Running them any longer eats into the safety margins of their core systems, which cannot be exchanged / upgraded. As it turns out, without these generous safety margins, a number of these pressure cookers would have exploded quite a while ago. Think of manufacturing issues with the pressure vessels, for instance.
One nuclear power stations blowing up = economic ruin of the entire country.
Cheap and safe nuclear? Go figure. The assurance would cost 20 ct/kWh alone, if nuclear were ever to be hold reliable for their accidents.
Sorry, Marcel, I am with Lumi on this one. (“Go figure.” , indeed!…..I’m searching something else he wrote today, to resume a 4 day old argument…….) Newer fission plants can be made much safer than the ones built earlier. Much safer than goal, safer than gas. Beware the corrosive influence of the deeply anti-human pessimism of the green Mother Earth worshippers on you there in Deutchland. You are surrounded by them.
“The assurance would cost 20 ct/kWh alone, if nuclear were ever to be hold reliable for their accidents.”
Let me help make it more intelligible: “The insurance would cost 20cf/kwh alone, If nuclear power producers were ever to be held liable for their accidents.”
Problem is, the oligarchy wants to drive up the costs and end this form of human fire. They are Zeus. They hate Prometheus and Promethean Man.
Thanks for the correction.
Regarding costs and safety of nuclear power generation, safe nuclear power stays way too expensive. As a result, there is no safe nuclear energy on the market. And there won’t be.
All new nuclear power stations under construction lag years behind schedule, come at double to triple the planned cost and, despite of this, come with numerous constructions flaws due to cost pressure. Have a look at the construction issues and economics of the EPRs in Flamanville, France, and Olkiuloto, Finnland.
Not convinced yet?
Well, look at the budget of Hinkley Point C, UK. It makes the reactor an economic disaster even before its construction starts.
Yesterday, the Australian royal commission came to the same verdict: nuclear power generation is nonviable, but nuclear waste storage lucrative.
New nuclear power stations would generate electricity at a cost of 10-12 ct/kWh and burden the insurance on the public as always. Anyway, 12 ct/kWh is more expensive than solar power in Germany.
What means POL?
Petroleum, Oil, Lubricants.
Related tangentially to the Hegemon’s Shaped Empire of Chaos, the British bloviator is saying that Poroshenko has asked Yats to resign:
Ukraine crisis: President asks PM Yatsenyuk to resign
Fortruss says likewise also adding Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to the required resignation list:
Is this just deflection for the Ukrainian economic slow motion disaster or is there more behind all this e.g. USA et al meddling?
I read that the Prosecutor General did resign. But that Yatsenyuk escaped the ax (at least for now). Being “our man Yats” for Nuland “may” have saved him for now.
Meanwhile in Yemen…
Blackwater Group abandons Taiz front in west Yemen
” In a matter of two months, the Blackwater Group has lost well over 100 casualties at the volatile Ta’iz front, including operatives from a dozen countries around the world. ”
This once again proves how far Obama is prepared to go to destroy Syria – secretly, while publicly proclaiming the opposite.
And with Merkel coming out in favor of a no-fly zone, this proves that Obama is still prepared to go that far, because Merkel is Obama’s poodle.
This proves what I’ve been saying all along: the US elites cannot drop the Syria program because it is the gateway to preparing for a decades-long war with Iran for the benefit of Israel and the US military-industrial complex.
The Russians intervened to stop the no-fly zone. Now the US is secretly behind Turkey’s plan to escalate the crisis one more step with a Turkish invasion of Syria. The US will use this event to get their US/NATO air campaign going against Syria.
The US will avoid engaging the Russians in this campaign, leaving the Russians to decide how far they are willing to go to prevent the destruction of Syria.
The only remaining question is: How will Russia react? While a Russia-Turkey war is very possible, a Russia-NATO war is less so – and a Russia-US war is very unlikely. Putin is not going to go to WWIII over Syria.
This is what the US elites are counting on – that they can force Russia to back down by directly intervening in Syria.
The question becomes: How far is Putin willing to go? We can see how far Obama is willing to go.
Thierry Meyssan seems to judge Obama’s intentions and actions slightly differently:
Here, Erast, in English instead of French: http://www.voltairenet.org/article190282.html
I agree with Meyssan. Obama is not a force for Evil. Nuland and others are, but not Obama. I believe he’s sabotaging the Evil within the USA. In such a way that he is not assassinated by “ISIS”.
Here from the same site is an opposing view. The first article was from 2-15-2016. This one is from 2-16-2016. It doesn’t sound as nearly trusting as the first one did. While I’d like the first to be true. I suspect the 2nd is closer to the real truth:
Fits with what Moon of Alabama writes in his latest post. Obama and the Pentagon are going against CIA/ISIS.
If Putin was to turn tail and run with fear over an easily seen case of aggression against a friend. Then I suspect he will be removed from office within a year because of that.The internal danger to any leader of committing to something and then running from it is huge. The US and the West in general, have many ways to spin this to save themselves. They can come up with any number of face saving lies to convince their public that they “did the right thing”. The Western public is almost totally ignorant of the real situation there. But Putin doesn’t have that option. If Turkey and or NATO invades and takes over Syria. No amount of “lipstick on that Syrian pig” will convince the majority of Russians.Russians may be split on Syrian policy to a degree. But they wouldn’t be split over “running from NATO aggression”. That would be clear to them.And every opponent of Putin’s would use it like a “mantra” to attack him.Both on the right, and more importantly on the left. With the Communist Party being an extremely credible opposition for huge segments of the Russian public.
Since Putin is I think aware of all that. I doubt he would fall into that trap. Unless ,people that say he might want to retire are correct. But I haven’t seen anything to convince me of that. If anything,being demonized like he is,would make me want to stay and finish my job even more. If for no other reason,just to spite my enemies.
One option now might be to trap the Sultan -goad him into a rash decision and for Russia to respond very decisively. The sultan and his sidekick have mouthed off a heap of belligerent statements and appear quite unbalanced. So it would be easy to call them on their bluster and attain a strategic advantage for Syria at the same time.
Syria will have to start it up with Turkey after they are attacked. NATO can only come to defence of a NATION that was attacked first and is in immanent danger-they cannot go to the aid of a country that started a war. If they try-NATO will fall apart even faster. Especially with all the knowledge out there about the g20 working with ISIS to begin with and this is going to come out of the UN, Not from Russia or Syria. Regardless of how corrupt the UN is-they have no way out of this one not with Russia and China breathing down their necks and NATO in disarray. Italy for example-will go with the Pope-Orthodox will go with Russia. TWo lungs one body. That meeting is going to have a bigger impact on global events than people realize. It was TOTALLY political.
We have to disagree there. At the bottom line NATO will do what the US tells them to do. They’ll sugar-coat it of course. Drum up some false-flag operation to excuse what they do. But they will obey or be replaced. And they know that.
True, or false?
Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:12
Ex-Security Chief: Russia to Launch Airstrikes on Turkish, Saudi Troops in Syria
TEHRAN (FNA)- Former Head of Russia’s Federal Security Service Nikolai Kovalyov warned Turkey and Saudi Arabia against sending ground troops to Syria, saying that Russian warplanes are likely to launch airstrikes on their positions if they deploy in the war-torn country.
“The Turkish and Saudi officials are well aware that in case of deployment of their forces in the Syrian territories, the Russian air force will likely bomb them,” Kovalyov, also a member of the State Duma’s security and resistance to corruption committee, was quoted as saying by al-Mayadeen news channel on Tuesday.
I believe what’s in the article, the only problem I have with it is: “Why only come out with this news now, after like 6 months!” ???
Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:55
Russia Has Just Deployed Its Most Advanced Spyplane to Syria
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Tu-214R is a Russian ISR (Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance) aircraft. In other words, a quite advanced spyplane.
As we have already explained here in the past, it is a special mission aircraft equipped with all-weather radar systems and electro optical sensors that produce photo-like imagery of a large parts of the ground: these images are then used to identify and map the position of the enemy forces, even if these are camouflaged or hidden, The Aviationist reported.
“The Caspian Sea fleet has no ships capable of launches of ballistic missiles,” MoD spokesman Igor Konashenkov
Yet back in October, RT published articles & video of Caspian Sea Fleet ships launching long range ballistic missiles into Syria.
Who is kidding who in this story? I could understand if there were no such ships on station in the southern part of the Caspian or even if the ships were sent to the Black Sea fleet but the wording of Konashenkov on the official website leaves me scratching my head. Why make such a statement? Lost in translation?
Those were Kaliber cruise missiles…
Those were cruise missiles fired by the Caspian Sea fleet, not ballistic missiles.
In any case, all you need to know is: Turkey is lying. They just another gangster State. Like Ukraine and Israel.
Le Dahu, I believe that ballistic missiles leave the atmosphere.
The calibre missiles launced from smaller vessels in the Caspian are cruise missiles that stay in the atmosphere, actually very low to avoid radar detection, as much as possible.
I don’t see any need for having any ballistic missiles in the Caspian sea navy of Russia. Cruise missiles there, however abide by treaty in an unexpected way, as I understand it.
He was responding to Western lies that a Russian missile from the Caspian Sea was what destroyed the hospital. And what he was saying was that “at that time” Russia didn’t have a ship able to do that operating in the Caspian. As to “why”,that’s another question. Were they moved? Where they docked? Were they not resupplied with the replacement missiles yet? Any number of reasons “why” left unsaid. But what was said was clear.
Thank you for your answers, it clears up the doubt I had. It boiled down to using certain words, ballistic v cruise. Given that the Turkish MOD even stated that the Saudis were flying in their F 16s, when the Saudis don’t have any, but the Polish & Kuwaitis do, shows the level of stupidity.
they launched cruise missiles. it is significant difference.
Cruise missiles are not ballistic missiles. The kaliber is a cruise missile with supersonic strike capability.
The missiles in October were cruise missiles, were they not? I’m not sure why that would make a difference though.
If they know it was a ballistic missile, they also know whence it came.
Nothing is lost in translation. Cruise missiles are not ballistic.
just these 3 stories alone, if true, tells you the situation is escalating quickly, & for the Sauds to pull this threat out says they are beyond desperate.
Or, could be code talk to Russia to advise them S.A.’s ZATO best buddies have lent them a few.
Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:24
Analyst: Saudi Arabia Has Nukes, Will Test Soon
TEHRAN (FNA)- Unofficial sources in Riyadh disclosed that the Saudi regime is in possession of atomic bombs, adding that the Saudi regime will carry out its first nuclear test soon.
Daham al-Anzi, a prominent Saudi political analyst, told the Arabic-channel of Russia Today that Riyadh has acquired atomic bombs since two years ago and will likely carry out its first nuclear test within weeks.
Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:1
Gap Widening between UAE, Saudi Arabia over Yemen, Emirati Jets Hit Pro-Saudi Camp in Lahij
EHRAN (FNA)- The differences between the UAE and Saudi Arabia in Yemen have increased to such levels of graveness that Emirati fighter jets have targeted the positions of pro-Saudi camp in al-Hawtah city in Lahij province.
The UAE warplanes’ raid on pro-Saudi militia targets in Lahij came just one day after Saudi fighter jets in a similar move pounded a UAE military convoy, killing two UAE military servicemen.
Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:1
Turkish Artillery Units Shelling Syria’s Newly-Liberated City of Tal Rifat
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Turkish Army’s artillery units have been pounding the strategic city of Tel Rifat North of Syria’s Aleppo province that was taken back by the Kurdish fighters from the terrorists last night, local sources said on Tuesday.
Positions of the Kurdish “People’s Protection Units” (YPG) and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Tal Rifat have been under the massive shelling of the Turkish artillery since early hours of this morning.
Obama is a reckless egoist. He would have done anything to dethrone Assad.
He is doing everything he can to appear the strong President with some kind of victory anywhere.
Syria was a double failure. The rebels didn’t work and the attempt to get an air war launched because of chemical weapons was thwarted by Russia intervening with the removal of all chemical weapons.
Then ISIS was used. Now that is the third offensive that has failed.
He allowed Turkey its gambit. That didn’t work.
Next? A wider war with Saudi and Turkey baiting Russia?
We know that won’t work. It hasn’t worked in Ukraine. It won’t work in Syria.
The same is going on in Asia with China in the South China Sea, and the attempts at color revolution in Hong Kong. Nothing is working for Obama.
But he has 350 days or so to do real damage to Russia and/or China.
Maybe he’ll try simultaneous offensives. Ukraine turned loose on Donbass, Turkey turned loose against Syria.
There have been breeches of Syrian airspace by US, now blaming Russia for bombing a hospital.
This stuff doesn’t alter the battlefield but it get traction in the Media war against Russia.
If their plan was to do to Syria what they did to Libya, then we would have seen a genocide of greater than any in history. Maybe 7 or 8 million would have been slaughtered if Damascus fell
The city had 2 million and millions of others unable to flee would easily have been genocide of historic proportions.
If this morning statements of Dmitry Peskov were not enough:
Here he comes, Comrade Gen. Konashenkov with more specific statements:
“Russia says Caspian Flotilla has no ship capable of firing missiles at hospital in Idlib”
Meanwhile, in the EU :
“State of emergency going to perennial in France” after being voted by the Assembly.
It is so wrong to associate khalifa or wrongly calked calipgate with Extremism or Isis in the west.
Khalifa harun al Rashid of Bagdad in 800 Ad ( hence contemporay of Xharleman of Aachen ,Germany ) was the most enlightend ruler of the rich empire.
He had translated into Arabic a lot of Indian Sanskrit books and manus ripts and enhanced the presige of Baghdad as tbe prime seat of lear ing in the workd.
Incidenly todays jews do not lime that enlightend ruler harun al rashid – that tells you that you can not please all.
Overall the khalufat was one of the most enlightend period of 1000 yars of muslim domonation of the then civilized world.
And I am saying this not as a muslim but some one whose religion has been attacked by muslims many time.
Sure are pushing the “weapons of mass distraction” theme these past few days.
Of course, it’s gotta be true because they use the very phrase “speaking to Rooters on condition of anonymity”.
This time Iraq (supposedly)
Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:30
OPCW: ISIL Uses Mustard Gas in Iraq
TEHRAN (FNA)- ISIL militants attacked Kurdish forces with mustard gas last year, according to an Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) source.
The source, speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said the laboratory tests confirmed that chemical weapons had been used by ISIL fighters. The OPCW, however, has not officially identified who used the mustard gas, RT reported.
Must have been Turkey and Co then, otherwise the source would have been all over the interenst in a nanosecond.
Seen at a Moscow bus stop: “Smoking Kills more people than Obama”
We should have more such staff.
I’m going to propose something,that might explain some things we’ve heard about. But have not really given much thought to. I could be (and hope I am) wrong. But a pattern might be coming visible if the dots are connected.
1. The demonization of Putin, and secondly Russia, throughout the West. And attempts at that throughout the World in general.As if to justify a war with the need to stop the “new Hitler”. Along with “terrorist” attacks in the EU to terrify people into backing their regimes.
2. NATO moving troops and equipment, ever more,and ever closer to Russia. Not all at once,but a drip here,a drip there. Where it might not be noticed as much.
3. Hundreds of thousands of young military age men(some already with military training. Some with combat experience from being jihadis),moving as refugee’s into Europe. Where in the event of war they could be used as quickly available cannon fodder in an attack on Russia. Certainly they would be defeated and killed. But they aren’t European troops,so are expendable to sacrifice.But they are large numbers to be let loose in an attack.
4.In Ukraine the junta is mobilizing every young (and not so young) man with a pulse they can catch. Another expendable non-NATO force.But again large numbers for an attack. And more importantly mostly knowing some Russian. They also have been training Ukrainian and Russian neo-nazis for infiltration of Russia itself. For the “Brown Revolution” inside Russia,complete with sabotage and the aim of an internal 5th column uprising (at the “right” time).
5. Under the cover of “helping to stem the refugee invasion of Europe”. US Naval ships are moving into place in the Med. and Aegean Seas. They just “happen” to be available to attack the Russian ships off Syria. And to help the Turks block the Straits in case of war.
6.The Turks and Saudis are plotting to bomb and possibly invade Syria. At the least try to create a “no fly zone” safe haven for terrorists to hide in,a ” Libyan redux” plan.
7. The British are holding military maneuvers in Jordan. Next door to Syria. So they will “conveniently” have troops and equipment right on the Syrian border, if NATO was to decide to attack Syria.
8. For months we’ve heard of huge tent “refugee ” camps built in Saudi Arabia. Yet with no refugee’s in them. So who else needs camps to house many thousands of people at a time? Maybe instead of “refugee camps”. A more accurate term for them could be “barracks” for expected incoming soldiers instead.
9.Saudi Arabia announces they are holding “huge”,very huge,military maneuvers in Northern Saudi Arabia. Which, by an “accident” of course is near to the Jordanian border. The gateway to Syria. And a possible “hook-up” with their fellow “maneuvering” British friends going to Jordan.
For the US and the Europeans in NATO, a war against Russia where they can use “mostly” expendable troops would be ideal. Even if many (or most,or all) the Turkish,Saudi,jihadi,Ukrainian,neo-nazi,troops used for it were killed. It wouldn’t affect NATO much. Their contribution would be mainly,Air Force,Navy,and some Special Forces troops. As well if needed,nuclear weapons. They would attempt to destroy the Russian Air Force and Navy with their forces ,and bleed-out the Russian Army with the huge numbers of “expendable” cannon fodder from those others. Leaving their troops for the finish (which was exactly the US action in WWI and WWII. Let the others bleed and come in at the end for the victory.). We keep hearing about how well informed the Russians are on Western intelligence plots. Let’s hope that’s true. And if this is a plot as I argue. They know about it,and can stop them before hand.
Well…. If something like this happens, most of the ZATO & Friends combat groupings would be annihilated in 10 minutes or so … The Russians WILL use Nuclear weapons as a deterrent …
Well wow UB. Excellent list with lots of important details and interesting speculations.
An expendable army is definitely being assembled. Tent city barracks! No question. Great observation.
My conclusion is slightly different from yours. I don’t believe Russian forces will be direct targets of NATO actions. Provocations yes but the US will never confront nuclear armed Russia or their concentrated forces in Syria head on. The stakes are too high and exceptionals prefer others fight and die for their wealth accumulation projects. That’s the promise that keeps America asleep, written into the national psyche, by chemical and frequency. War has barely touched the USA since the 1860’s and I believe the trend will continue. In any case the main conspirators like to sweep in late, when others are exhausted.
All aggressive military actions, the invasion of Syria, will be conducted by Westen proxy and puppet forces, down to the last Arab or Turk I suppose. Russian forces will be tied down as much as possible but there will be no proper clash mano e mano. Maybe later but not now. I agree the plan is to gather a large and (mostly) expendable Arab Sunnite army who will be thrown into Syria, igniting World War 3, inescapably if not officially. There can be no other conclusion given that only war can save the AngloZionist system and time is very short.
Whatever happens in Syria, World War 3 will provide all necessary excuses for the imposition of a technocratic hell on Earth in Zion plus occupied territories. The French are leading in this regard with their already eternal emergency state. Planet Gaza is a long planned ZIonist wet dream and here we are. Israelis are the masters of repression and their methods always find their way back to the Zionist homelands.
Armeggedon has now become Dabiq, a slight adjustment of plot and geography but very much the ritual we know and love.
Please note the position of Dabiq (Armegeddon reiterated) on the map in the link below. This is likely where the Saudi-Israeli army is going.
I’ll put my theory succinctly, beware the nuclear false flag, blamed on Russia.
Russia doesn’t want or need a nuclear war so will do everything to avoid it. The Empire has the opposite objective and will salt the earth.
Noting (1) strenuous ongoing efforts to provoke Russia into direct confrontation with Turkey; (2) a gathering Israeli-led Arab force building and preparing to move northwards into Syria (bonafide start of WW3, with Russia an official participant) and (3) of the posibility Russia may have no other viable option but to defend its position using tactical nuclear weapons (theoretically).
This last point, now a widespread theme throughout alt media and in commentary, is dangerous and places emphasis on a likely Russian first use. It opens up a mind-space where the nuclear false flag lie can be sold to programmed consumers, so beware.
We should be careful about what we accept as plausible. We should always be mindful of who is the aggressor.
Thanks to vot tak and others for their sharp eye on the Hal Turner psyop (from yesterday). Here is the slightly pathetic storyline from Superstation 95.1, NY, NY (imagine you’re listening to Orson Wells’ War of the Worlds):
“Then the shit hit the fan when it was confirmed that the Saudis and their allies are already transporting TWENTY THOUSAND TANKS. (20,000). Worse, 2,450 warplanes are enroute to northern Saudi Arabia and the Saudis have declared the airspace in the northern section of the country to be “closed.” Lastly, in addition to the 2,450 warplanes, four-hundred-sixty (460) military helicopters are enroute as well.
I won’t repost the links but reading his wiki you won’t be faulted for presuming former FBI agent Hal Turner is a useful idiot or blunt instrument for yet another CIA project for chaos.
Russia knows the game. They are making strenuous efforts not to be provoked.
Russia Will Not Attack Turkish Military in Syria, Says Senator
Moscow, Feb 15 (Prensa Latina) The head of Russiaâ Ös upper parliamentâ Ös (sic) Defense and Security Committee Viktor Ozerov ruled out today a confrontation in Syria against military personnel from other countries that are not included as terrorists, referring to the Turkish troops.
The AngloZionists have started all major wars of the 20th and 21st centuries by practising false flag terrorism. They are expert like no other including Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11 in their false flag pantheon. Here is another example of their tactics, from yesterday, where senior AngloZionist muppets place blame in advance.
Putin could end Syrian war with one phonecall, says Philip Hammond
[Yup, Putin could surrender]
Again, beware the nuclear false flag, to be blamed on Russia and meant to unleash a crisis, call it World War 3, which will permit the transnational zio-plutocratic elite to execute their best laid plans.
Is this not a reasonable scenario given what we know?
If so, can we stop it by calling out their bullsh** promptly and with vigour?
Attempting to get ahead of the AZ crisis machine, let’s be clear about one thing: Russia won’t use nuclear weapons unless in the extreme situation where their concentrated forces in Syria are threatened with destruction. For a direct confrontation to occur it must be NATO which directly attacks the Russians with overwhelming force. This is highly unlikely given the doctrine of MAD. Though there will be provocations Western-backed proxy armies are incapable of threatening the main Russian force in Latakia unless NATO and especially Turkey become massively invloved.
I suspect Turk forces will be tied up pushing millions of Kurds into the centre of a nuclear sh*tstorm. They have a history after all.
After Aleppo the action moves east. Go back to the map and look at the position of Dabiq and consider the disposition of forces. The route northward is established. The Saudis are gathering a mass of frustrated and otherwise unemployed manhood which could potentially be joined by millions of refugees, Syrians, Kurds, Iraqi and so on, all gathered together for a massive and pitiless sacrifice. It is an ancient and highly profitable ritual tradition by which elites pacify and domesticate restive slave populations. It was no different in World War 1 where they succeeded in culling maybe 7 or 8 million mostly poor Christian Europeans. Tens of millions more followed in the aftermath. These people, your psychopathic overlords, have killed possibly 150-200 million people directly in the 20th century alone.
The more comforting interpretation is this is a fight for position ahead of a negotiated settlement. The Russians have suggested March 1st as a date for possible ceasefire but they must know this will never be accepted unless all proxy forces are brought to their knees. Two weeks is insufficient to accomplish this task except in the limited sense of victory in and around Allepo. Israeli politicians have made clear they have no intention of playing the short game, announcing plans and predictions of their own, heavily contradicting Russia’s own stated objectives and giving the lie to those who say Putin is an agent of Israel.
A limited nuclear exchange, blamed on Russia, is the most likely objective of AZ elites. This is how they mean to relieve the pressure of the bubble they’ve created by their unprecedented centuries long wave of criminality
I support your argument,it’s absolute logical,nothing to ad.
I suppose Yakovenko’s statement might be a way to continue the fiction that Russia’s campaign in Syria is an act of defiance against the US. I think it likely that there was an agreement between US & Russia, arrived at on the sidelines of the Iranian nuke negotiations. Signs of this agreement are the following:
US removed the command & control ship for the Patriot missiles during that period. A little later US publicly ordered removal of her own Patriot missiles from Turkey’s Syrian border. In short order two other NATO powers ordered theirs removed too. These were the means by which a no-fly zone in the Syrian’s North was already in effect; Syrian aircraft could not fly there & one had been shot down.
US announced months in advance that there wd be no aircraft carrier in the Gulf for a period of time, and the carrier left as scheduled even tho Russia was then actively engaged in Syria.
The day at which the nuke deal was arranged Lavrov said that it would open the way for Iran to join in the fight against ISIS. In succeeding weeks Lavrov spoke several times about the necessity of Iran and Russia working together against ISIS.
There is no possibility that the US did not see the men and materiel being transported to Syria, yet they kept a cap on the media until about 9/15. There was no rhetoric about it, no talk of closing the Bosphorus, no US/NATO warships standing off the coast of Syria. No bombing of the airfield under construction, no sanctions. Nor wd Russia be so foolish as to positions such a small force there unless by agreement.
Instead there was a concerted media campaign about how “confused” the US power structure was, and how “taken by surprise.”
US & UK even helped to “certify” the Sinai plane downing thru which further Russian involvement was made more acceptable to the Russian citizenry: Immediately following the “downing” US & UK issud statements about ISIS, et al being responsible. The crash scene didn’t appear real; footsteps made visible marks in the sand, as did vehicle tracks. Yet there was no impact crater; nor did the heavy aircraft parts half bury themselves in the sand.
I think it obvious that Russia is acting in agreement w the US. I have no idea what this means; States frequently have secret agreements.
Is it really credible that Russia’s “fifth column” wd raise no objection and that the Duma wd vote nearly unanimously for the Syrian campaign as an act of defiance against the West– while at the same time maintaining that Russia is not able to freely issue her own currency, but is stuck in the IMF/Fed system? I do not have the answers, but it seems that there is more than meets the eye.
The main line of defence for the small Russian force in Syria is not S-400s ect but diplomacy/wheeling and dealing, hence Putins anger and comment of being stabbed in the back when the SU 24 was shot down.
Big corporations in the same field, such as Microsoft and Oracle, work together on many things and compete on many things. Powerful countries are likely far more complicated in their dealings, and have different factions as well. And both countries have a similar interest in not seeing nukes flying, which could easily happen if things like the Straits of Bosphorus got closed. Russia can’t afford to lose half her ships in a fight with Turkey as she would then be in a bind against the rest of NATO.
By the way, Pavel Shipilin, who is known for his blog that often talks about security matters, speculates that some deal may have been reached:
“Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that we and the Americans have already agreed about Syria’s future, and the future of Turkey. And about the new state — Kurdistan.”
So it may be that Russia has managed to get some Western factions on board with cutting up Turkey and possibly adding Iraqi Kurdistan to the mix, along with various gas and oil deals, in exchange for letting Russia win in Syria, Iran gain power, and who knows what else. Maybe the Saudis are to be thrown overboard soon. And the losing groups, such as the Saudis or perhaps the French and Germans, are not happy about it. On the other hand, maybe the Germans can live with it, as Turkey would go from a 10% German-controlled state to a 30% one, but smaller. Davutoglu did go to a German school, after all, and seems to have various German connections. And he seems like a more dangerous character than Erdoghan.
As to your final question about the fifth column and currency, well, it is much easier to fight the West over the Middle East, because it is divided. It isn’t divided over the banksters having the lion’s share of the profit and power. Russia might have a much easier time breaking up the EU or even NATO than the world banking system. And, in any case, Russia seems to be aiming for a liberal empire, kind of a blend of the old Tsarist aristocracy with modern liberal systems. And the current aristocracy really, really doesn’t want to challenge the system; it just wants to be recognized for having rights within it, rights that they feel the US is abusing.
Yes, there may have been an agreement on the sidelines of the Iranian “nuke” negotiations. But only of a faction of the USA with Russia. There’s another faction that is all evil, the neocon/zionist faction.
Removal of the Patriot batteries was funny indeed. Engdahl wrote a while ago Uncle Sam is preparing a devastating trap for Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Difficult to see through the fog.
The Russian airforce wasn’t transported by ship. Happened by air, and quickly. It’s like with the Crimea operation. Do you think Uncle Sam “let it happen”? I don’t.
» US & UK even helped to “certify” the Sinai plane downing thru which further Russian involvement was made more acceptable to the Russian citizenry: Immediately following the “downing” US & UK issud statements about ISIS, et al being responsible. The crash scene didn’t appear real; footsteps made visible marks in the sand, as did vehicle tracks. Yet there was no impact crater; nor did the heavy aircraft parts half bury themselves in the sand. «
Take a look at some pix like here:
The soil isn’t just sand. It’s full of stones. I wouldn’t expect any aircraft parts to leave significant impact craters. A passenger aircraft is a lightweight construction with a large surface. It’s very fragile on collision.
When you’re dealing with video pixel airplanes like on 9/11, they can cut through steel beams of course. Hollywood makes it happen.
The top layer of the desert soil may have a different colour due to some erosion process. So wheels leave traces. Just like the airplane parts have left traces.
There were no obvious fake grieving family members as with MH-17. Rather, the grieving people looked real to me. Have I been fooled?
So, the Kogalymavia/Metrojet 10/31/15 crash looked real to me. I’m sure it was UK/US terrorist action, just as with the Germanwings 3/24/15 crash. I found the UK gov’s behaviour particularly suspicious.
Also, the crash wasn’t needed to make the Russian involvement more acceptable to the Russian people. Putin said it was necessary, so it was necessary. Russia had by then lost only one soldier, allegedly suicide (hard to believe).
So while I think there’s a lot of hoaxing going on (Paris/Bataclan, Boston marathon, 9/11, Moon Landing, Human Space Flight & more), which all the allegedly serious folks won’t talk about, I do think that this crash was a real terror attack.
About the 5th column “maintaining that Russia is not able to freely issue her own currency, but is stuck in the IMF/Fed system”. Well, Russia is indeed stuck in it. The whole world is stuck in it. I think it is very hard for any one country to disentangle itself from that web. Russia is a military force – but is it a financial force? Why should Russia pick the financial battle?
I hope this is on Oriental Review, Facebook and Twitter. I have been aware of this because I learned over several years to think as the American neo-cons think. They are remarkably rigid, deeply obsessed, psychologically extremely disfunctionally damaged, and must remain so to continue the plan to rule the globe! They are just another version of ISIS, Wahhabi-ism, sexual emergency slave makers and all.The US CIA is the US ISIS be-header’s complex..
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu stepped up his criticism of Russia on Tuesday, calling its latest move to take Turkish shelling of Kurdish militia positions in northern Syria to the UN Security Council as “shameless.”
“Russia bombs hospitals, schools. Then it complains to the UN because Turkey takes measures for its border security. What a shameless attitude!” he said. “They [US and Europeans] don’t say it openly. Who is carrying out these bombardments? The disgraceful Russian planes are,” Davutoğlu said in a speech to deputies of his Justice and Development Party (AK Party) in Parliament.
I would like to add: summer 2013 – alleged ghouta chemical attack – summer offensive #1
july 2014 – fall of Mosul, alleged carving out of a sunni state conquering bagdad and / or damascus – summer offensive #2, last summer – this report, preparations in spring with TOW delivieries to erase Assad’s tanks to conquer Damascus – summer offensive # 3, what can we expect this year ?
just some random thoughts out of my stream of conscioussness: we have an American civil war – deep state against Obama / Kerry – (maybe ?) – and State Departement vs. Pentagon. The more Assad wins (and every day won is a victory day) the more Turkey and Saudi-Arabia loose. That maybe a reason for joy, but we still have these neighbours.
We see the explosion of a social engineered atomic bomb in Europe and Middle East.
my gut feeling is that the west bombed the hospitals which most likely were treating some high ranking isis blokes and they had to eliminate them before they spilled the beans on who they were, why they were there in the first place and who was paying them..!!..
The Turks are not going to invade. If they were going to they would have done it by now.
1. Every day they stall any possible invasion is another day lost for their rebel proxies with more rebels being killed, rebel buildings and ammunition wiped out, and all the money that was spent on funding, training, feeding, arming etc them lost.
2. If however they had gone inside Syria, the Russian-Iranian-Syrian axis had already decided a few years earlier that they would have expanded this in to an all out Syria v Turkey war and mainland Turkey would have become a target seeing as Syria has already been destroyed, the Syrians would have reciprocated this against the Turks.
Now the US state department spokesmen has clearly said NATO will not get involved in any military clash with Syria or Russia, so Turkey has been abandoned.
Turkey had about a day ago said it would only invade in concert with NATO allies, which today we found out is not happening, so there will be no Turkish invasion.
What will happen is this.
– Next few days nearly all of the routes to rebels that Turkey uses for supplying them will be under SAA control.
– Next week or two Aleppo will fall to the SAA.
– Next few weeks Raqqa which is now being encircled by SAA forces thus denying any other forces such as the Saudis (Saudi-Jordan-eastern Syrian desert route) to access that area. Then later Raqqa will be taken.
I think the big boys e.g. US, Russia have agreed this quite a while in advance.
* P.S. There is speculation in the Turkish media of division within the ruling AKP and possibly factions or break away parties emerging. This could be thebeginning of the end of the 14 year Erdogan era.
Where the author writes,
“The US probably thought it was not risking anything by telling Moscow its military plans and what their likely consequences would be.”
He reveals his prejudice. The possibility of Damascus falling by October was discussed openly. I don’t think there has to be any “US military plans” having been discussed. Repeating public opinions about what could happen doesn’t have to amount to any “revelation of plans”.
The statement, without any justification, reduces the credibility of the author.
Latest developments might indicate that this information was given to the Russian ambassador so as to lure the Russians into a trap.Cf F. William Engdahl:
Anyway it doesn’t look good and the false flag operations grow in viciousness and intensity
It would also imply complicity on the part of the Russian’s as in “You knew about it, why didn’t you do something to stop them” type of charges. Something like “turning a blind eye” to all the things we see around us and don’t do anything about. Disempowers future action.
Much the way Russia is accused of approving the no fly zone in Libya or at minimum not doing anything to stop it.
this just in
‘Kurds promised federal status in Syria, envoy in Moscow says’
I think the post of MuslimDude above is 100% right.
Creating a red flag event is 0 problem, and I don’t mean to oversimplify, it literally is 0 problem. Erdogan would blow his own men if that was the only obstacle between him and successful resolution in Syria. Or does anybody here believe that Erdogan would just wait for something real to happen.
Anyway, he ALREADY has multiple excuses. It is very unimportant who did the bombings in Ankara. The important thing is that Mad Dog has the excuse, but not the courage.
I believe people here have underestimated the military capacity of Russia in Syria. Erdogan himself does not believe he has a chance without NATO. If anything, he is trying to create a red flag event to DRAW NATO IN, as contrasted to needing excuse he himself to go in Syria.
Which brings me to my last point. The relations between USA and Turkey are not like between the best of friends. Obama is no friend of Erdogan, OR Netanyahu. Yeah, that’s right. Obama is a socialist who did serious damage to the economy of United States, but when it comes to foreign policy he is the least vicious of all recent presidents. Iran, Cuba and Donetsk would all be different kind of news today if McCain was president. Saker has incredible detail and insight into Russian politics, but when it comes to american politics he is childishly naive. Always referring to the homogenous intentions of the ‘evil empire’ when inside Washington there are 4 or 5 crabs all pulling in different directions and it is really hard to calculate the future. I think with Trump for president we have a really good chance of getting back to peace for a few years.