I thought I should take the time to sit down and draw your attention to a very interesting and original book written by my Director of Research, Scott Humor, entitled “POKÉMON IN UKRAINE: Tactical War Game Introduction MANUAL“. The very first sentence is the book is a disclaimer: “This book is a work of fiction. This manual is for illustrative purpose only“. Really?
The book is an in-depth look into the Ukrainian civil war, presented from the point of view of modern wargaming. Other examples in the book include Libya, the Soviet Union and Chechnia – all these conflicts are carefully staged and the “video” shown to the world about them has very little, or even nothing, to do with reality (I would personally say the very same thing about the wars in the former Yugoslavia: the Serbian Krajinas in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo).
In this book, Scott carefully deconstructs the entire edifice of lies and appearances and explains how the stage is set, by whom and how. You will meet all the real actors, the Nazis, the foreign “advisors”, the “reporters” and you will be shown how they carefully staged each phase of that gigantic War Game in the Ukraine (WGiU). The “Team Blue” and the “Team Red” and even the “Non-Players” are unveiled in this book with a great deal of details and sources. As are the concepts of virtual reality (VR) and augmented reality (AR).
POKEMON in the Ukraine is a book in need to “dive in” like you would in a pool or a lake – headfirst and with the full determination to submerse your entire body. When you come out you will have a very different understanding of 21st century warfare (the word “hybrid” is often used).
The official description of the book concludes with the following words: “Not much written or discussed in public about augmented reality war games by their architects and players, due to their biggest weakness: they are successful as long as they can pretend to be something else. This Manual seeks to fill the void.”
The latest “productions” in Salisbury, UK and Douma, Syria will be followed by many, many others. You need to be armed with an understanding of how these “productions” are staged and how they work.
Get the book – it is a crash course on what you need to know about the “Matrix-like” pseudo-reality the Empire is trying to force upon our consciousness. Awareness is the first step to resistance and liberation.
I deeply believe that the invisible is what drives the visible. The spiritual war is what many people, in the polite society, are afraid of discussing due to the preinstalled norms of “sanity” and “believability”. I think Scott’s ability to break from the maze of western modes of thinking is evident in his SITREPS, hence my interest in his work. Are there any aspects of spirituality tackled in this book? Just curious. I really wanted to read this book but couldn’t buy it from Canada and will try it again.
BTW Previously reviewed book by the Saker was “The Killing of William Browder” by Alex Krainer and it impressed me massively to say the list (perhaps for personal reasons). So much so, that, one day, I’d really want to meet with Alex Krainer and film an interview with him (just don’t know how to get in touch with him). All of that to say, is that I’m very grateful that this book was brought to my attention. Thank you!
I am on the same page regarding the happenings of the time. We are participants, like it or not, aware of it or not, in a vast struggle of good and evil. I say this without any reference to biblical ideas, or even religion of any kind. For me, good is sharing and caring for each other, evil is hurting and dominating each other. Two ways of being together. Which one will prevail and determine our future? We are finding out. War vs. peace is a crucial dimension of this inner struggle between beliefs and their consequent behaviors. I think everyone who shares on this blog knows in their heart which side of this struggle they are on.
The important lessons from books (such as this one) is that we get to sharpen our skills of identifying when evil is presenting itself as good. Traps are always layered with sweets and temptations. The cabal is very skilled at corrupting people and then blaming it for the sins it massaged into them.
I think the movie The Matrix would have been made more interesting and relevant if there had been more interactions of the awakened ones with the larger public, who were living within a world of constructed illusions without a clue that this was the case. Maybe even a scene where they tried to awaken a citizen who was wholly under the spell. But it was a great movie to make us think anyway.
There was actually a throw-off line in “The Matrix” where Morpheus was talking to Neo. Morpheus said that they had tried awakening adults (not sure whether from-within the Matrix, or just precipitating them out) and did not have good results. Adults were too invested in their ‘personna’. So, except for Neo, they had given-up on adults…
I run into the same problem with many of the books you suggest, mention, or review: They are available at Amazon … a company I do NOT under any circumstances use.
Maybe offer it as a gift for a set donation to your site (via patreon or even snail mail to your p.o.)?
Support a local independent book seller. Info off the web
yes, same here…havent touched that company since before 2012!
thanks for speaking out!
Purchased kindle version via amazon.fr
Mario Medjeral — France
I am about 3/4 of the way through this excellent tome. Scott Humor has done a masterful job of laying out who did what, with which and to whom.
During the Russian Spring in Sevastopol and Krimea, and the followup beginning of the war in Novorossiya, I commented and wrote articles for Saker extensively. I also wrote of the human tragedy on the civilian side, and of our efforts to get as many out as we could after Strelkov pulled off his masterful retreat in the small hours of 05 July, 2014, under the very noses of the orcs. Was at least part of this operation done with eyes averted by bribery? Probably, but the end result was Strelkov, who arrived in Donetsk Oblast around the first of April in ’14 with about a score of volunteers and left three months later with a small army which had double and more of their numbers sent for training in ‘safe haven’, managed to withdraw from positions he knew were untenable from the very beginning and arrived in Donetsk City just in time to both save his army and stop a planned coup to turn over Donetsk Oblast to the orcs. In the ensuing three months after his arrival in April, he tied down almost the entire orc army in the area of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, giving both Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasti the time to form armed forces and meet the ever increasing orc depredations against their populace.
All of this mess, this killing, burning, pillaging and fighting, was carefully stage managed by USA on the one side and resisted by various patriots for Ukraine, and Russia, on the other. The west ‘media’ was filled with daily and breathless reports of the depredations of the defenders of both Novorossiya and Krimea/Sevastopol. In the end, all the efforts of USA and her hostage minions in eu came to naught. Novorossiya exists and is waxing in strength and resolve. Sevastopol, the prize, the golden ring of all this mayhem and death, is and will always be Russian as will be Krimu. USA failed to goad Russia to attack Orcland, failed abysmally. The border of Krimea with Orcland is inviolate and the orcs know this very well. Toss a pebble towards Krimea and see what happens to you.
Next was the manufactured war in Syria. 4 years of bombing, murder and mayhem by USA and her toadies in eu did nothing against the ‘terrorists’, said ‘terrorists’ being the defacto armed forces of USA for the overthrow of the legitimate government of the Sovereign State of Syria. The game plan that USA used to topple and destroy Libya failed in Syria for one reason and one reason only, this being the President of Syria, with barely two weeks left before his government fell in an orgy of killing, invited Russia to Syria to help against the looming terror. Russia responded with alacrity and in but a month stopped the terrorist advances and in another three months began to methodically destroy the terrorists and at times their foreign ‘handlers’. Russian, and Iranian, forces assisting Syria are the only legal armed forces in Syria besides the Syrian Armed Forces. Every single foreign soldier sent from USA and eu are in violation of numerous laws, both national and international, and each and ever movement by each and every foreign soldier against Syria, from top command to the lowliest broom handler, is a war crime. It will be interesting if there is another Nuremburg War Crime Tribunal. One can always dream……
The war is Syria is not over and at times, including just a week ago, war between Russia and USA was but a heartbeat away. This impending event was forestalled for the time being, in essence USA/lap dogs blinked when Russia made it patently clear that if in an ensuing attack on Syria, the result of yet another false flag op, one scratch on one Russian serviceman and whatever platform did the scratch would be shot down or sunk.
However, while open war against Russia was avoided, this is a temporary event. As Russia rearms and modernizes at a prodigious rate, USA is not sitting back and twiddling her thumbs. In my opinion, we are still but a step or two from a war no one wants to think about but everyone who will be involved or affected must think about and plan for. USA will not deviate from her task of the complete and utter destruction and subjugation of Russia and defacto Syria. This subjugation of Russia will not happen, Russia and her citizens will not have it nor will they allow it.
Therefore, USA/eu will continue with their time proven methods of nagging ‘little’ wars and ever increasing sanctions against Russia and her friends and allies. The game continues and the complete reversal of common sense media reporting in The West, and to an extent Russia, will continue. It is up to we ordinary workers and peasants to separate the wheat from the chaff to gather the knowledge we need to resist this empire of chaos who clearly intends to subjugate the entire world under it’s thumb.
Scott’s book is an important link in this chain of resistance as is Saker’s blog. Let’s hope, and pray, that in the end peace will prevail and our children and grandchildren will enjoy peace, calm and prosperity through their lives. In two weeks, we will again participate in the Victory Day Parade in Sevastopol. Perhaps the day will come when we have another parade, a parade to honor a world wide peace, an end to this war that started in 1914 and continues to this day.
An Incident On Simonka https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ERKH3IU NATO Is Invited To Leave Sevastopol
Sevastopol, The Third Defense. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079KRPLS4 Book 1, A Premonition, The Move South
Bought at amazon.fr “Never the Last One” & “Sevastopol, The Third Defense”- Kindle versions.
God bless you Auslander.
Mario Medjeral – France
Thank you, and enjoy the reads!
There were genuine questions in Congress that the confirmation of Mike Pompeo in his newest post…plus the likes of Bolton…is that a war cabinet is being assembled…usa “warns” space in just a few years will be a battleground as Russia and China are already satellite warfare capabilities so these two countries have no right to be thereusa developing a space force maybe… if you comment against mainstream media you are not British ” questioning more” so to speak…implying you are a traitor using online media…so such sites as this.. theDuran…Russia insider..offguardian..are vulnerable as clearly governments are trying their best to control narratives in facebook twitter google maybe and using mainstream media to shut down dissent being expressed in other media and will move onto control of RT sputnik news….setting up their own “truth” units UK and in EU already…making preparations for cyber attacks they are calling “responses” against Russia in their hysteria agenda…and so on…and so on and on and on….
Mike Pompeo was President of Sentry International, an oilfield equipment company and close partner of Koch Industries. Recall the recent meeting between the heads of the FSB and SVR, Alexander Bortnikov and Sergey Naryshkin, received by Pompeo, then director of the CIA, and Dan Coats, director of National Intelligence.
In hindsight this meeting appears to have been a strategy session conducted by extremely important high level individuals in Russia with ‘partners’ in the United States.
The meeting occurred immediately before the firing of Rex Tillerson, an agent of the UK-Rothchild ‘Octopus,’ which effectively controls Exxon-Mobil (the Rockefellers sold their interest several years ago) of which Tillerson was formerly head. Tillerson, who once ran the foreign policies of multiple countries dominated by Exxon-Mobil, was said to have been caught red-handed by the NSA under leadership of James Kelly, of assisting the UK conspiracy to launch a chemical false flag attack in Eastern Ghouta, the discovery of which led to Tillerson’s unceremonious dismissal by Donald Trump via Twitter, a truly unprecedented way to fire a US Secretary of State.
Alexander Bortnikov and Sergey Naryshkin Secretly Received in the United States
This was immediately followed by the clumsily arranged response of the UK-Rothchild ‘Octopus’ government of Theresa May, with accusations made that Russia poisoned British spy Segey Skirpal and his daughter minutes away from UK chemical and bio weapons research facility at Porton Down, most likely in an effort to embarass Trump away from cooperating with Russia and to head off the Rockefeller-Koch faction’s plan to make good on Trump’s pledge to withdraw from Syria.
Fred C. Koch, founder of Koch Industries, the second largest privately held company in the United States and now run by his sons David and Charles, are well known players on the US political scene and especially in the Republican Party, and according to Wikipedia, developed an innovative crude oil refining process which threatened existing (Rothschild ‘Octpopus’ controlled) oil companies, who forced the company out of business in the United States.
n 1925, Fred C. Koch joined MIT classmate Lewis E. Winkler at an engineering firm in Wichita, Kansas, which was renamed the Winkler-Koch Engineering Company. In 1927, they developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline. This process threatened the competitive advantage of established oil companies, which sued for patent infringement. Temporarily forced out of business in the United States, they turned to other markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. During this time, Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin’s regime. In his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Koch wrote that he found the USSR to be “a land of hunger, misery, and terror.” According to Charles Koch, “Virtually every engineer he worked with [there] was purged.”
Not only are the Kochs enemies of the Rothschilds but they also has a history of working with the Soviet Union since the time of Joseph Stalin, who gifted the oilfields in the vicinity of Baku to the Rockefellers (now Rockefeller-Kochs) for development, including the construction of multiple refineries for the Soviet Union. By this arrangement the Soviet Union funded it’s 5 year development plans under Stalin.
The relationship between Rockefellers and the Soviet Union is legendary within the alternative history community, including the story of the visit of David Rockefeller to the Soviet Union immediately prior to the removal of Khrushchev for what Brezhnev famously described as “hare-brained schemes,” after the Cuban Missile Crisis effectively turned the US and Soviet Union into confirmed enemies in line with the long term objective of the UK-Rothschild ‘Octopus’ Cabal, to disrupt and destroy Russia according what is sometimes called the Mackinder Doctrine.
Before the Cuban Missile Crisis relations between the US and Soviet Union had warmed significantly under President Kennedy and there was talk at the time of a massive reduction of nuclear weapons by both sides, with the final nail driven into the coffin of this plan for de escalation occurring with the murder of JFK in Dallas by agents of the UK-Rothschild ‘Octopus.’
Slowly but surely the whole of the history of the world during the 20th century is coming into view.
To reiterate, there are two Deep States invloved in this struggle for supremacy in the Anglo-American space, and although heavily intertwined, they are the Rothschild-UK ‘Octopus,’ which by some estimates controls 40% of all corporate wealth in the world, and the much smaller US-centric Rockefeller-Kochs, perhaps less than 1/10 the size of their UK based but truly global Anglo-American rivals and competitors.
Watch this short video where Andrei Fursov discusses the relationship between the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.
Rothschild vs. Rockefeller
Trump is attempting to steer his way through the minefiled created by the Deep State War between the UK-Rothschild ‘Octopus’ Cabal and their US-centric Rockefeller-Koch competitors. Donald Trump, via the Kochs and Mike Pompeo, is clearly tied to the latter group and includes Militarist-Nationalist Pentagon Generals who see the Rothschild ‘Octopus’ plan to destroy the US dollar and replace it with a Chineses fiat as profoundly threatening to the US ability to spend over 1 trillion dollars annually on defense.
A reconnection of interests between sovereignty oriented Eurasianists in Russia and the US forms the basis of the alliance between Vladimr Putin and the White House of Donald J. Trump.
Finally, everytime you see someone in alternative media blame solely the United States for anything that is occurring with respect to the Empire of Chaos, and who simultaneously lets the UK based Rothschild Deep State ‘Octopus’ crime family off the hook, you are witnessing strategems of people who most likely work for the ‘Octopus’ Cabal and are attempting to scapegoat the US government for their own perfidious acts and devious deeds. As for Russia Insider and Sputnik, they are to a large extent populated by Russo-Atlanticist propagandists who collaborate with the UK-Rothschild ‘Octopus ‘Cabal’ and are governed in their judgements by bank accounts filled to overflowing with pilfered Russian wealth, and most of which are located in City of London Rothschild banks.
Where-Wolf – what do we know about the historical connection between Koch/Rockerfeller Russian assets helping Putin emerge as a power in Russia over the past couple decades? Is there such a connection? If there is such a direct history, could the anti Putin/anti Trump forces around Mueller dare indict higher ups in the Kock/Rockerfeller faction, risking enlightening the publics knowledge of the real history of the U.S. and world?
The Rockefeller-Kochs were not in the picture when Putin was selected to replace Yeltsin. They had abandoned the Soviet Union under guidance of Zbignew Breshinski upon the invasion of Afganistan.
The selection of Putin was made by Russians, as a compromise candidate between Atlanticists and Eurasianists within the state security apparatus. It was sold to the Rothschilds by people like Boris Berezovsky who was likely murdered for his bad advice when it became apparent was not quite so friendly to UK-Rothschild pilfering of Russia. Recall Tony Blair had also been one of Putin’s biggest cheerleaders at the begining of his tenure as President of Russia, hence the explanation for the BBC promotion of him as a tough guy and oligarch fighter — because at the time they believed he was only playing the part.
He has since likely broken with the Rothschild ‘Octopus’ to a significant extent, far exceeding what was called for by agreement with Russia. On may 7th when Putin announces his new government we will learn the degree to which Russia has truly broken free of the UK-Rothschild crime family which controls perhaps 40% of on paper wealth on the planet.
The Rockefeller-Kochs renewed their partnership with Russia upon the election of Trump, or else, they are themselves playing a double game and leading the Russians along.
Very frustrating: I bought the Kindle volume and had it downloaded on my free kindle android app. The result is unreadable for mine eyes, with fonts way too small on a 5″ smartphone screen. This book isn’t available on the cloud reader neither (I don’t know why ?), so I had to return it and hope for a refund. Very sad.
BEWARE…there is a real WAR being waged behind a dark screen invisible to the public eye.This war is multi dimensional the real ‘plays’ and the ‘players’ will not be visible to the public but only when it ends,if it ends in the EVIL players favour it might not become public at all.This war and it’s ending will decide humanity future for the next few generation to come.
The recent strike against animal assad, was not to stop ‘CHEMICAL weapon use’,if you believe in this scenario ,you need to run quickly to the washing machine,stick your head in and press the ,,wash rinse and repeat button ,with vigour until exhausted.Cause seriously you have been sleeping since 9/11.
This war is reaching it’s climax now,pay attention and stock up on popcorn ,cause apparently the EVIL has met its match, you live in interesting time,keep a diary cos if we come out of this you may need to recite what happened during these ‘historic’ times to your grand childrens.We live in interesting time, pray good wins over evil.
2 day conference G7 in Canada attended by the usual delusional suspects..thinking of more sanctions to pressurise Russia for not controlling the situation in Donbass and implementing Minsk…..
…part of a statement by EU High Representative Mogherini
“According to the statement, the G7 countries “reiterate our enduring support for Ukrainian sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders. This includes our non-recognition of Russia’s violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. We decry the degraded human rights situation in the peninsula, and the violations and abuses committed against its population by Russia in Crimea.”
BEIJING, April 24. /TASS/. The Russophobic connotations in the work of the G7 are obvious, but Moscow is ready to patiently defend its position, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday, commenting on the outcome of the meeting of G7 foreign ministers.
“As for the outcome of the meeting of foreign ministers in Toronto, of course, the Russophobic connotations there are obvious,” he pointed out.
Feeling that the divisions between these “parters” is even more quickly becoming irreconcileable? And then what?
Could be interesting to see the final reports from “A meeting of G7 foreign and security ministers is held on April 23-24”
Hold your breath until then…..
MOSCOW, April 23. /TASS/. The latest annual Human Rights Report issued by the US Department of State abounds in politicized assessments, including in what concerns Russia, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Monday.
“The annual Country Reports on Human Rights Practices released by the US Department of State on April 20, like the previous ones, abounds in politicized assessments and blunt ideology-driven clichйs,” the ministry said. “As concerns Russia, regrettably, Washington has failed to get rid of Russophobic stereotypes. Thus, the section dedicated to Russia is written in an a priori negativist manner, ignoring Russia’s repeated comprehensive explanations on concrete human rights cases in Russia that have been made both publicly and in sectoral international human rights organizations.”
The report gives “cynical assessments of the human rights situation bordering on direct insults in respect of national authorities of sovereign states,” the ministry said. “Such an approach was no surprise to the Russian side as it fits well into the US practices of double standards in what concerns human rights depending on how loyal this of that state is to Washington’s foreign policy course and its methods of protecting democracy and human rights.”
“The report’s authors are shunning any means to form a lasting negative attitude to Russia as the biggest human rights violators. Seeking to make this idea more convincing, Washington uses a hackneyed set of accusations copied, to a larger extent, from the previous reports, and tailored facts,” the ministry stressed.
The ministry also drew attention to another “exemplary” element: “the blame for the degrading human rights situation in Ukraine is eventually placed on Russia,” despite the fact that large-scale flagrant violations of human rights in that country are being hushed up, with no calls to improve this situation.
Such an approach is inadmissible “for a report claiming to be objective,” the ministry stressed.
However, “the unfavorable situation with human rights, democracy and the supremacy of law in the United States” is left beyond the scope of the report, the ministry noted. “Growing systemic problems, including deep-rooted racial discrimination, unprecedented scope of xenophobic ideas and activities of extremist organizations, impunity for inhumane treatment and tortures under CIA special programs, mass wiretapping in the United States and in other countries, as well as other acute challenges in this sphere are being ignored.”
“It’s high time the US authorities seriously address these problems at home, listen to numerous strong recommendations from relevant intergovernmental structures and human rights activists rather than indulge in moralizing on those who don’t need it,” the ministry underscored.
How even one media programme supposedly an alt media…is continuing to carry out usa state agenda…….
A current assessment by Shoygu
Note sputnik carrying article that to avoid UNSC being held back by veto process…those members frustrayed might try to get issues such as Syria referred back to the general assembly…where Russia would be outvoted
Saker, do you have a say on this ?
Russian military stated Tuesday that Russian air defenses at Hmeimim airbase in Syria have intercepted and destroyed several unidentified targets. — https://sputniknews.com/world/201804241063873552-russian-air-defenses-intercept-objects/
I am unable to buy from Amazon as the Print Replica will not be readable on my standard kindle. Maybe if you self published or tried Global Research. They publish anti-Imperialist books like The Dirty War on Syria. Or format it for regular kindle.
Second this re Globalresearch.ca as publisher.
Or model your own sales like their setup. With pdfs even better!
KIEV, April 25. /TASS/. The end of Russian gas transit via the territory of Ukraine will increase the possibility of a conflict between Russia and Ukraine and entail futher geopolitical consequences, the commercial director of Ukraine’s oil and gas company Naftogaz said.
“If there is no transit via the territory of Ukraine, the possibility of a full-fledged conflict between Ukraine and Russia also increases, which will have geopolitical consequences. This is the idea that we are trying to convey, first of all to European partners, who need to understand not only economic consequences for Ukraine, but also geopolitical consequences for the entire world,” Yuri Vitrenko was quoted as saying by the 112 Ukraine TV channel on Tuesday.
Ukraine bigging up the reason to start ww3….although Russia has said that transit is not scheduled to stop…only supplying gas to ukraine will stop.
Plus ukraine doing their best to make declared Russia a terrorist state by getting usa senator Gardner to push for it
“There is also evidence that Russia is playing both sides of the conflict in Syria — defending the murderous Assad regime, but also fueling the radical insurgency against it. Reporting by Ukrainian news outlets has shown that Russia has provided material support to the Islamic State, including assistance in recruitment.”
Latest assessment of military build up in EU prior to a supposed usa-Russia summit….”While the world’s attention is riveted on Syria, the US is significantly boosting its forces in Europe. And these are not just divisions streaming in to take part in some exercises that will leave once those are over. This is a serious buildup to create a potentially offensive posture. “
The United States continues issuing patents for inventions related to nerve agents, and about 140 such patents have been issued to date, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
It added that the US also sticks to defeasance causes in papers related to international agreements; agreements banning the use of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
“We find it necessary to say that the US, not Russia, remains the only signatory of the Convention for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons that keeps a sizable arsenal of chemical weapons,” the ministry said in its commentary. Moreover, according to open sources of information, the US issues patents for inventions related to full-fledged poisonous chemical agents, including nerve agents,” the commentary said.
“In all, some 140 patents have been issued for the use of such toxins,” it added.
The Ministry said that the US State Department keeps trying to question Russia’s full compliance with the Convention for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the OPCW’s well-deserved status as the most efficient and successful international agency in the field of disarmament and non-proliferation of chemical weapons. It added that “unlike Washington, the OPCW has no issues with Russia.”
Armenia will fall and will join NATO. How will Russia respond?
This is such a bad name for a book, whatever the sensible, sarcastic or clever reason behind it.
Take yourselves seriously!
A drunk falls asleep on a bench in Sebastopol in 1954. 60 years later, in 2014, he wakes up. Excited people tell him: Sebastopol is Russian. The drunk asks: Why are you telling me?
You need to be older to understand this whole game. This experience – been once fooled – help you to realize, ” where did i hear and see this before”. If studying cases like Tonkin Gulf or Allende one would easily understand that we are not living much different era now. We have seen this many many times before. Only thing amazing me are so many old people unable to reason. Young people are just in their learning curve and we can’t blame them.
Shellings of Mainila (Nov 1939) is the way how West is operating now. Most(?) of older Finns are realizing it.