The following are the official results of the US missile attacks on Syria as reported by the Russian General Staff on this video:
TRANSLATION (all names phonetically translated from Russian, not the original Arabic, by me. The Saker)
|Target||Attacking cruise missiles||Defeated cruise missiles|
|Barza and Dzharamanni||30||5|
|Air defense system||Fired||Successfully hit|
Nice article but I read it somewhere else also, thanks anyway :)
Well as others have pointed out, that if the US sent as the say, sent 70 cruise missiles at one target and they all hit, that would be roughly 30 metric tonnes of explosive! 30 metric tonnes of explosive can turn rubble into dust.
The US version of this story is so unbelievable that I wonder how they dare tell it, it is so plainly stupid, that it defies logic. I cruise missile ( Roughly 400 kilo high explosive) that comes into close contact with and unhardened building, simply blows it apart.
They sure make some good concrete these Syrians!
Read a real analysis: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20168/four-outlandish-russian-ministry-of-defense-claims-about-the-syrian-missile-raid
All you got to do is look at the damage. then even a blind person can see that the ameri3kans are full of shit that all their missles hit their targets.
Yes…. I guess it must be a terrifying thought….
70% of NATO/America’s modern missiles brought down by that old Soviet stuff!?
Makes you shit your pants huh.
And it should.
That analysis claims the Pantsir has no “real-world data” to back up its claims of effectiveness. I would say the Syria strike IS the real world data that it works well.
It also claims some of the shot down missiles pictures in social media are actually of Russian missiles, which is of course completely irrelevant to anything.
In short, the article is heavily biased.
Colonel Pat Lang, a retired senior intelligence officer, says on his blog that he has done Bomb Damage Assessments many times, and from the pictures he’s seen it appears reasonable that most of the US cruise missiles failed to hit their targets.
The Pentagon claims one hundred percent success in their strike. Another intelligence officer at Colonel :Lang’s blog points out that at least one shot down cruise missiles has been photographed on social media, so that alone proves the Pentagon is lying.
We know the last missile strike Trump tried did next to no damage to the airfield it fired at, despite allegedly hitting it with all 50-odd missiles. The base was back in action in 48 hours. This provides backup evidence to the effectiveness of Russian ECM.
I would also remind you that during the Iraq war, Iraqi gunners manning manual air defense guns managed to shoot down one out of three cruise missiles – a very high percentage for such manual weapons. Cruise missiles are relatively low and slow, so knocking them down isn’t that challenged for an automated weapons system such as the Pantsir.
Your math is correct, it does work out about 30t of presumably best kablooie stuff US can make. Or buy from Chyna, whatever.
Other math works out at 70 * $1.58 mil = $110.6 mil for that salvo of Tomahawks. Not including go-juice for the ships that dragged them across the Atlantic to Mediterannean, pays and “combat” bonuses for sailors, etc. etc.
That spray-tanned orange muppet wouldn’t have any shares in Raytheon, now, would he? ;)
‘Explosion’ at Israeli held area of Golan Heights near Syria border
Here’s Trump’s assessment of missile strikes in Syria:
The denial is frightening. I think Trump truly doesn’t know. Combine this with press reports he was tricked by his advisors on the numbers if diplomatic staff expelled by European governments over the Skripal hoax and we see a President who is cut off from the real world by the muck accumulating around him.
Trump is be kept in the dark. He us being fed bullshit.
A ‘mushroom’ president then?
I am not sure, if this applies to him, but surely he is applying this principle to the populace hooked on MSM BS.
He’s an article on how his advisors played him for a sucker and fed him neo horseshit.
What’s great is that there are lots of indications that Russia is psychologically defeating the USA.
Why are people slapping themselves on the back because only 32 out of 103 cruise missiles got through?
How many delivery platforms were used by U.S.-NATO in this latest attack?
Four warships and one submarine (USS Monterey, USS Laboon, USS Higgins, the French frigate Languedoc and the US submarine SSN John Warner).
Two B-1B Lancers, 4 British Tornadoes and Typhoons, French Rafales and Mirages. Roughly 18 aircraft.
See: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/syria-airstrikes-weapons-used-intl/ .
Syria got off lightly because such a small number of ships and planes were used to launch the missiles. What would have happened if dozens of warships and planes were used to send two or three hundred missiles into the country? People on the ground would have been killed including Russians for sure.
It’s only a matter of days or weeks when that happens because Russia didn’t stand up to the U.S. when this attack occurred.
Sadly, I have to agree with Poke on this. A full on onslaught of hundreds of cruise missiles would almost certainly overwhelm the Syrian/Russian air defenses and, more, importantly, here in the US it appears that the lack of a direct Russian military response to the attack is encouraging the neocons to demand more strikes. It is only fear of Russian retaliation that keeps the zionists from sending the US military to sweep Assad from power via a coup de main. Once the Russian personnel can be pushed back into their compounds the way is clear for a US/Israeli invasion which they would happily do if they are convinced the Russians will simply hunker down in their bases and not resist.
Putin has played his, admittedly marginal hand, brilliantly to get this far, but I’m afraid that baring some serious military move by the Russians, the end is near at hand. You can only threaten so many times before people figure out your bluffing. The Israelis believe Putin is bluffing and the American military will not be able to hold back the political pressure for an invasion without a credible Russian threat. I think we are days/weeks away from the end, not months or years.
There is a saying, “be careful what you wish for.”
The defenses in country maybe. Not the Kalibrs. Not other weapons.
Russia is layered for payback, as well as in defense.
And the Americans know it.
A blow in country against Russian force structure would bring Hell from Mother.
Do you not understand how Russians plan?
That is not hot air coming from Russian Generals and Putin. Those are existential warnings.
Imagine the HQ at Lattakia taking a hit.
Centcom would lose its HQ.
The calculus of battle against Russia is always for it all. They are a martial nation. They understand war. They understand their enemy.
Putin already has given the Doctrine for all to understand. Russia will not fight The War on its soil ever again.
The end will be nuclear.
” A full on onslaught of hundreds of cruise missiles would almost certainly overwhelm the Syrian/Russian air defenses and, more, importantly, here in the US it appears that the lack of a direct Russian military response to the attack is encouraging the neocons to demand more strikes.”
Complete agreement with you on the 2nd bit but regarding all those launches – that would be when you “take out the launchers?” I guess if that is insufficient then you start looking at the cities. I think the Russians have made the situation far more dangerous by allowing this “face-saving” escapade.
“Once the Russian personnel can be pushed back into their compounds the way is clear for a US/Israeli invasion which they would happily do if they are convinced the Russians will simply hunker down in their bases and not resist.”
You need to stop smoking neo horseshit. Assad’s popularity in Syria went up after the strike and how many soldiers in the IDF and US military are willing to die for Greater “Horsehit” Israel and a pile of morally retarded politicians? BFN: Butt F**king None is my guess.
What do you suggest Russia do? Come on and tell us. I’m more than willing to listen.
They want Russia to provide israel’s american colonial’s with their “new Pearl harbor”* so zionazia can have ww3. ;-D
Actually, they just want to make Russia look weak, cowardly, incompetent on websites in the west, like this one, to demoralise and discourage westerners from supporting Russia and her allies. Convincing us that the countries opposing zionazia are failing causes feelings of despair, isolation, helplessness and weakens resolve. It’s another part of the psywar directed at us to neutralize our objection to what zionazi is up to.
*Look up pnac and new Pearl harbor. These zionazi provocations against Syria are not to provide pretext for starting ww3, but to go all out against Syria. The zionazis realise they don’t have the public support in the west for another Iraq style mass murder spree, and need some massive 9/11 type pretext. If Russia sinks a usn ship, or attacks an american ground unit and causes significant casualties, the zionazis will have their “new Pearl harbor”. At least, that is their working assumption.
I think you may be right but there might also be an element of bravado expressed in these views born of an extreme hostilty towards US foreign policy and a consequent impatience to see that nation finally get its comeuppance.
Yes, they’re playing ‘baiting the bear’ aren’t they? Fortunately for the rest of the world, so far the bear hasn’t taken the bait. It is very frustrating, this game. I can’t help but admire the RF General Staff — they’re cool, calm, matter-of-fact and no bluster, at least in public. That’s reassuring in an odd kind of way when the whole world can see that FUKUS (name thought up by another poster in another thread. I like it, has a nice ring to it) and the rest of Nato and the twin sisters, Wahhabi KSA and Israel, are lusting for war.
RF is constrained by several factors, chief of which is to avoid escalation which can easily lead to nuclear war. RF is doing its best to avoiding giving a pretext for FUKUS and the other criminal regimes to start a general war. I don’t know how the fools in the Empire can misread VVP’s warning when he said the world without Russia is not worth living in. But then again, there are loonies in the US regime who think they can survive a nuclear exchange.
Call it wishful thinking but there are two ways to slow down or stop the Empire’s march to war in the ME. Kitai president Xi Jinpeng has just overseen a parade of the ‘largest armada of Chinese warships in 600 years’ as the blurb goes, in the South China Sea. Just detach a squadron of ships to the Mediterranean on a ‘goodwill’ visit, say to Algeria (a naval customer), Egypt and finally stopping at Tartus (for extended R & R of course). Chinese diplomacy employs nuances in language and action that the barbarians in the Empire don’t understand. A grey ship bristling with missiles is what works for them. The other is for RF to demonstrate a Kinzhal or two over the bow of the US carrier group once it has reached the Syrian theatre. And ideally they should detonate somewhere east of the Euphrates.
The Russians have already said that they will consider upgrading Syria’s (and others) air defences with S-300 system. Maybe other systems too?
This would make it very risky for any future attacks plus it would give the Russians plausible deniability when destroying any attacking platforms in the future.
Imagine the Iraqis having S-300. Any ship firing a missile from a ship in the Persian Gulf would be a legitimate target as the Iraqis would have no way of knowing whether the missile was headed for Iraq or elsewhere.
Provide S-400 and much more Pantsir S-1 systems to Syria as a starter.
If they can do nothing then say nothing. On the basis of “we will target delivery systems” recently I was saying prayers.
And ignorant of the facts.
And oblivious to the reality.
The Russian Generals communicated directly in three channels–Chief of Staff to Chief of Staff, in theater Commanders to Centcom Commanders, and within NATO.
The words were clear, perceived correctly and acted upon by the Americans prudently.
Mattis refused the Package to attack Lattakia and Tartus, as well as the decapitation strikes on Damascus and the Syrian Defense Organization.
Just because you don’t understand that doesn’t mean it did not happen.
It definitely happened. We see the facts. We know the prelude. We see the aftermath.
From your words festooning the Saker’s Vineyard, it is clear you may be over your head talking about things you don’t understand.
And you are not alone. Though, obviously, we are trolled heavily on these topics. Your comments are troll-like, another thing you ought to consider.
Carping is not critical thought.
Your belief in the benevolence of any oligarchy (anywhere) is the overriding weakness (nay, disease) of the common man.
e.g Power and privilege: Elite Lifestyles in Communist Eastern Europe https://thevieweast.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/power-and-privilege-in-communist-eastern-europe/
The potential for Nuclear War and the subsequent nuclear winter is real. I have previously argued that the US and its allies can overwhelm the Russian and Syrian air defenses using swarm tactics and all the missiles and planes that the US and their allies can muster. However, but the initial costs in lost planes and ships would be greater than the Russian losses by an order of magnitude. Besides, the conflict would rapidly result into use of tactical nuclear weapons and ultimately full-scale nuclear war.
For those who think that FUKUS and their allies can take down the air defense systems of Russia and Syria, remember that besides missile systems the Russians have advanced air superiority fighters that carry more missiles than the NATO planes, can detect stealth fighters and the missiles have a greater range. Any reasonable attack on Russian assets in Syria would result in a Turkey shoot of the planes and their ships/bases based on in the following in theatre systems (as well as the out of theatre systems in in Caspian and Black seas):
S-400 (SA-21) systems:
Yes there are two S-400 complexes guarding Khmeimim consisting of 16 missile launchers per complex (32 launch ready missiles range 350 km)
S-300 (SA-20) systems
Russia has seven S-300VM missile systems defending Tartus and abord some warships (range 350 km)
Bastion (K-300P) anti-ship coastal systems (Yakhonts)
Russia has deployed perhaps two batteries of 18 launchers at their naval bases (72 launch ready missiles – range 350 km) Russia also has K-300P systems on it Project 11356 frigates
Syria has two batteries consisting of 18 launchers which carry two 3M55E Yakhont supersonic cruise missiles. (72 launch ready missiles -range 350 km)
Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler)
Russia has Kalibr long range missiles on all their frigates either 3M-54E1/3M-14E: (300 km range) or 3M-54/3M-54T: (660 km range)
Russia had previously provided 40 Pantsier-1 missile systems to Syria with 12 missiles loaded per system (480 launch ready missiles – range 20 km)
Subsequently, Russia has also deployed an unknown number of Pantsir S2 air defense systems to its Khmeimim airbase in Syria (range of about 40 km)
The Pantsier-2 may have been upgraded to add four directed sub-rockets to each missile for a total of 48 missiles per Pantsier launcher.
Russia has an unknown number of Buk-M2E systems and perhaps the new Buk-M3 in Syria. Perhaps FB could provide more information.
Syria has received a total of 48 launchers of Buk-M2 surface-to-air missiles. (192 launch ready missiles – range 40 km)
S-125 (SA-3) (Pechora-2M)
Syria has about 145 Pechora and 12 Pechora-2M each with four missiles per launcher. (628 launch ready missiles- range 32 km)
Same as was used by Yugoslav Army 250th Air Defense Missile Brigade to shoot down a F-117
S-200 systems (SA-5) (upgraded)
Syria has two S-200 batteries consisting of 44 launchers at Kweires airport (range 350 km).
Syria has 195 2K12s systems with three missiles per launcher. (585 launch ready missiles – range 22 km))
Syria had 14 batteries consisting of 60 launchers with six short range missiles per launcher. (360 launch ready missiles – range 15 km))
Russia has installed both the land based systems (SA-9) and integrated them in their ships at sea (SA-N-9). The launchers come with either 8 or 16 missiles with a range of 16 km
Syria has a number of the older Tor-M1(V) systems with 4-8 launch ready missiles – range 12 km.
Russia has at least one Iskander nuclear capable ballistic missile systems in Syria -range 400-500 km. These are ship killers along with the Zircon missiles to take out carriers.
9K35 Strela-10 (SA-13)
Syria has 35 launchers – four missiles per launcher, reload time 3 minutes- range 5 km
Russia has created a formidable deterrent in Syria. It shows her capacity to fight a conventional (bloody…) war that will not give victory to the aggressor. At the same time, it shows Russia’s intent to fight a conventional war instead of a nuclear war! This is amazing – Russia is determined to save humanity from the madness of a nuclear war.
Thanks for the details, Krollchem.
I’ve been calling for the Iskanders to be installed. The 14+ US bases in Syria should be their targets if Russians get hit. And everyday and night the US commanders should “feel the presence of those ballistic missiles” in their psychology. Until the US feels dread, they will rampage and instigate chaos inside Syria.
General Giap’s artillery and the Vietnamese sappers destroyed the great war machine of the US military.
The Russians have the weapons to do the same. The Iskander’s mere presence in country could be decisive. More is better.
Good point about the need to deploy the Iskander missiles.
The Bastion (K-300P) anti-ship coastal systems can hit land targets at a range of 450km but the US bases are outside this targeting envelope.
Kalibr missiles from Caspian Sea would do the job perfectly. Iskanders should be used for rats during liberation of Idlib, the next big battle. There is a massive concentration of various jihadi groups in Idlib right now. Iskander and TOS-1 would do magic in Idlib.
Misa comment at the Moon of Alabama is also instructive. Whenever the Russia airborne radar command plane(s) in the air the Israeli AF generally chooses not to attack.. Otherwise they have terrain cover for attacks. Too bad Russia doesn’t have a base in Lebanon..
“I see a lot of discussion about (non)usage of Russian/Syrian air defence systems in Syria. People often think of extreme ranges of interceptor missiles (more than 100km), and associate that with some “protection umbrella” with 100+km radius. It is then hard to understand from that point of view, how can something enter within 100km of SAM site and survive?
Air defence of Syria is directly dependent on terrain configuration. One must understand the concept of radar horizon and radar shadow, and how they impact air defence systems. Radar horizon is the limit of target detection zone, and it scales with height of radar antenna. That is why AWACS fly high and see far away. And that is why sea based radars don’t have much of a range except for high flying targets. Anything beyond this zone won’t be detected. Then there is a radar shadow. To put it very simply, radar shadow is an area within normal radar range that is blocked by some terrain feature, like mountain range. Radar is ineffective in that area.
Terrain features of Syrian Latakia province can be seen on this image. Light blue dashed line represents radar horizon for radars located along the coastline (i.e. Latakia city and Tartus). Beyond that line inside Syria, those radars can’t see aircrafts, except those flying at extremely high altitudes. This means that S-400 systems located along the coastline can be used to the maximum range to protect only from attacks coming from the sea. Inlands, it only protects against targets flying over small strip of coastline (around 40km from the sea). For example, TUAF drone flying at 2km altitude over Khan Sheikun (70km from Latakia) or over Jisr Ash Shugur (55km from Latakia) can’t even be acquired by S-400 sites along the coastline. While that drone can surely be acquired by other radars elsewhere in Syria, and eventually target trace can probably be exchanged with S-400 systems along the coast, it is doubtful that it can be engaged with S-400 missiles. Of course, this assumes that S-400 long range missile needs midcourse target updates via direct line-of-sight link from battery command site. This also suggests that recently launched US/UK/F cruise missiles used some alternative approaches via Turkey/Lebanon/Israel/Jordan, in order to avoid early detection by Russian coastline radars.
Approach from Lebanon is regularly employed by Israeli Air Force attacks at Syria. Terrain features there can be seen on this image. Light blue line is the trajectory of Israeli aircraft, which use Bekaa valley radar shadow to hide their approach. Lebanon mountain to the west of Bekaa valley protects them from Syrian coastline radars, and Anti Lebanon mountain to the east of Bekaa valley protects them form Damascus radars. Red lines are flight paths of stand-off missiles that are launched towards Syria while launch aircrafts are inside Bekaa valley. Missiles are picked up by Syrian mainland radars only in terminal flight phase after those missiles hop over Anti Lebanon mountains.
This attack vector puts SAA air defences at severe disadvantage, because reaction time is very short. For example, JASSM missile launched from an aircraft flying above Baalbek, Lebanon at Dumayr airbase in Syria (60km away), would be ideally detected when it hops over Anti Lebanon mountains. From that point, flying at 800Km/h, missile impacts in less than 4 minutes. In that time, central air defense must classiffy threat, identify possible target, alarm the units that can intercept, and communicate approval of engagement to those units. Units then have to chose engagement profile – one or more missiles, intercept near or far, engagement radar acivity, where will missile debris fall on civilian settlements etc… all in less than 4 minutes.
Let me tell you this as someone who had endured NATO missiles – SAA air defence is doing GREAT job.”
Posted by: Misa | Apr 17, 2018 9:14:00 AM | 89
I suppoes in case of such a scale of attack the Russians/Syrians would not sit and wait for the Tomahawks being hit but destroying the launchers!
Don’t you think?
Your concerns are warranted, and would likely be justified if only Syrian air defenses were used in the defense of a larger strike. I doubt that would be the case. As Krollchem has pointed out the Russians have a significant anti-air/anti-ship missile defense system in Syria. They could knock down a significant number of US/NATO air assets in any attack, no matter the scale. Any NATO/US Naval assets in the region would be in deep trouble. Clearly, there are enough anti-ship missiles in and around the coastal waters of Syria to overwhelm and deplete an Aegis air defense system. Finally, their is the, allegedly, lone Iskander missile. I have serious doubts about any air defense systems ability to intercept a ballistic missile during terminal flight.
With regard to The S-200s performance or lack thereof, we should consider where the batteries are located and how far their ordanance had to travel to make intercept. There will be fall off, in intercept rates, towards the edges of the systems operational range. This holds true for all such systems. I mention this, because Russian air defense systems are positioned such that any attack on Russian assets would require US/NATO missiles and aircraft to fly into/through the heart of these defense systems operational ranges, and in many cases, more than once.Thus, improving kill rates. Further, I doubt Russian missiles would be used to defend Syrian forces in general. I would bet that the Russians would conserve their missiles for defending their own assets and the Assad government in Damascus. Everything else would be left to SAA air defense.
This is not to say the Russians, even with newer hardware, could totally repulse the attack; however, they could easily blunt it enough to strike back from Syria. This should be a major concern for any first strike doctrine type of attack, because said doctrine (the US’s doctrine) requires a first strike that is so debilitating that the opponent cannot retaliate in a meaningful way. Anything less than this is a failure. The Russians have the ability to make such a strike a failure, and they would have ample ability to retaliate in kind using any number of anti-ship missile, be they of the ballistic or cruise variety.
As you can see, this quickly becomes about who can take the biggest hit, not who can dish it out. Because, both can plainly deliver big hits. Given Russia’s proximity to Syria, I will place my bets on it in such a contest.
The lack of a robust Russian response is seen by the U$ as weakness, and it will encourage them to do it again, and launch more. The longer Russia refrains from responding robustly, the bolder & more reckless the U$ gets, which will eventually lead to a confrontation, and it’s anybody’s guess where that will end.
I think the true is neither on Russian nor on US side.
Another excellent report from Colonel Cassad. Thanks for posting it here.
Were are the wreckages of cruise missiles? if 71 are downed, we should see some photos, 6 at least! I have seen some photos on tweeter, but these were actually Russian missiles that missed a target.
Go there and searth for them, syrian army has more urgent businesses
If they hit dozen of incoming missiles, where are all the wrecks? It would be great, if true, but this time I do not believe the russians, nor the 100% success version of US DoD by the way.
I agree. Lies and warfare are frequent bedfellows.
Maybe this is why the success rate was so high?
The Tomahawk is GPS guided and they have The Krasukha (Красуха) mobile, ground-based, electronic warfare (EW) system. So, many of these missiles could well be laying on the sea bed off the Syrian/Lebanese coast or the debris buried in the desert !
About 18 months there was a report in the independent media that taxi drivers and other motorists using GPS sat-navs and driving near The Kremlin reported the display was showing they were at an airfield some 40km from Moscow! Strange that ….. smart people these Russians!
The main thing to consider is that FUSUK wanted to launch a far greater number of missiles, mainly targeting the Syrian air bases. Yes we know that MOST of the missiles which managed to travel into Syria were either shot down or otherwise disabled. But of even greater significance is the fact that at least 2 destroyers ready to launch TLAMs had their electronics switched off… mysteriously.
The FUKUS MUCUS military is in total shock!
How those brave US generals who got all those colorful decorations for galantly dropping bombs on Grenada, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq are able to lie about an alleged 100% hitting rate with such straight faces is beyond me. It was more like 5%.
Probably actors flown in from the west coast.
“If you shoot a piece of iron in the air, it will come down some place”.
Yea sure. We now know what is junk. It starts with a T and Ends with a LAM, and was useful flattening Baghdad almost 30 yrs ago.
And those poor navy guys and sailors must be sweating really hard – they know they are sitting ducks in mare nostro.
HUUUUUGE problem for the cabalists…
How can they now turn around the large carrier group already under way from the US, without losing face?
Also to consider:
It almost seems the Russians had ET help to develop weapons so smart in so short a time … and in a country still suffering the comprehensive occidental RAPE the saker has recently written about.
It appears the universals/galactics no longer tolerate the shit that has been going on this most beautiful planet. It was about time folks. You were certainly not too early.
It would be interesting to know the breakdown of intercept data for the 3 types of u.s./nato missiles used. The tomahawk is the older of the 3, while it has been upgraded, I assume it is less capable than the more modern scalp/storm shadow (I wonder if trump was bothered one of the weapons used was named storm ;) ) and agm-158. Info on these:
APACHE AP/ SCALP EG/ Storm Shadow/ SCALP Naval/ Black Shaheen
JASSM at a Glance
Of the Syrian AD, the Pantsir and Buk are the most modern, I believe. But even then, the models in service are not the latest versions. The were probably upgraded by the Russians recently, cbut would still be less effective than the latest model. Keep that in mind when looking at their success ratio in repelling that missile attack and consider what the newest models would have done.
Even without the details, it is still possible to arrive at some speculative conclusions.
The initial targets of the attack would likely be detection assets, AD assets and their related command centers. To prevent detection of incoming missiles, their interception and disrupt the chain of command.
Second tier, air assets. To prevent them getting airborne and being a problem for the last tier. Also, destruction of Syrian air assets would push the Russians to use theirs.
After that, the empty buildings, who’s destruction was the phony reason for the attack.
Logic would imply, then, that the best missile types would be used in the initial assault wave. The lesser missiles for the rest. Since the Syrians probably concentrated their best AD around high priority governing facilities, air bases and other military concentrations, it was these that played a large role in the success in shooting down the missiles targeting the air bases. Meaning the 1st wave zionazi agm-158 and s/ss got hit the hardest, as these failed to get through the air base AD. Follow up 2nd tier tomahawks, also failing to get through, then.
The 2st and 2nd tier missiles being mostly wiped out, the last wave, probably all tomahawks, did better because they targeted relatively low defended areas, with old AD types being predominantly in use.
Thus in summary, it is possible the very good performance of the older model Buk and Pantsir was against top of the line agm-158 and s/ss missiles. If so, think how these cruise missiles would fare against the new models.
Meanwhile, the Russians are adroitly responding to Nikki Haley Randhawa’s hissy fits at the UN.
Perhaps, Ms. Haley has wet in panties in a rage.
The “Female Trump” Is Tempting Russia To Disrespect Her At The UN
There are reports that the missile launches stopped after Russian fighter jets in Syria took to the air.
It would be interesting to know if this is correct and the reasons why.
“QI editor’s note: This article is based largely on reports tweeted as the event was happening by on-the-spot Twitter source @A_J_S_B. We verified the accuracy of AJSB’s reporting during the Donbass war in the years 2014 and 2015, and consider this source among the most reliable.”
… now listen closely to Mark Sleboda on this CrossTalk and draw your own conclusions …
(Consider 100 missiles as 100% real established feedback, so after 100 missiles the operation was stopped by Russia by getting their jets airborne … information received … thanks … now you will leave)
Thanks to Saker’s efforts – this statistics will be treated as a benchmark in future military studies.
If possible can you please provide the statistical break-up of “Type of Attack missile” vs. “Air Defence system”.
It appears that Osa, S-125, S-200 air defence systems already become outdated, but not completely useless.
Russia should supply S-300, Pantsir, Buk systems & Fighter/Interceptor aircrafts as many as required in as short time as possible – without mobilising large contingent of Russian military forces in Syria, the only way to win this war is to create a impenetrable air defence coupled with effective air coverage for large contingent of Iranian Army/PMU.
Russia needs to keep its eyes and ears open for Israel trying to pull of a USS Liberty 2.
The whole point of that muderous crime in June 1967 by the Zionist entity, was to have the incident pinned on Egypt, so that the US would lay waste to Egypt.
It has been more that 50 years since they perpetrated that vile and evil act against -the country that likes to boast about being their staunchest ally, so Russia must be extremely vigilant.
Israel will not hesitate to do something similiar today, if they believe -if successful – it will get Washington to wage war against Russia, Iran and Syria.
The whole thing got botched in 1967 and the Johnson Administration was forced to cover up for Israel by silencing the Liberty’s surviving crew members.
At the time, Jewish power in the US was nowhere near where it is today, and yet Israel still managed to survive that scandalous crime.
Today, they and their minions are in control of all major centers of power in the US, so in essence, they could conceivably get away with even greater crimes.
Did someone say something about 9/11?
Well anyway, with that in mind, Russia must at all times ensure that they can independently track the various machinations being hatched in Tel-a-Viv, because there is simply no limit to what they wont do.
The US government covered up the crime of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty.
Hopefully, if Russia should catch them trying to pull off something similiar, that information will be made available to the American people and the entire world, without hesitation!
Remember that the zionists could also attack a Russian target and blame the US. Would the Russians fall for this?
Russia has “very good” Intel. How else does it survive with the monstrous Hegemon and a plethora of vassals poised against it?
Nothing really is overlooked in terms of who may do what against Russia.
That doesn’t mean they can stop everything, but they understand Israel far better than Israel understands them.
Shortly, Israel will see that it won’t have its war against Iran.
What and where are Diuvali and Tifor airbase?
The Russian Ministry of Defence has Damascus International Airport and Tiyas airfield on their list. The former being a civilian target.
Can anyone clear this up? Thanks!
From the map at this video (time = 3:21) looks like airfield Tifor has following coos:
Diuvali I didn’t find.
“Tifor” should be T-4, aka Tiyas, so these match.
I’m still not sure about Diuvali vs Damascus International Airport.
I am reading in various places on twitter that the Dumayr air base has been hit by at least 2 or 3 Israeli missiles.
Also that Israel’s Defense Minister has bluntly stated that Israel will not accept limitations on its actions in Syria from Russia.
I don’t think there is necessarily any hidden agenda when readers wonder why Russia has to limit its protection of Syria to hitting western mercenaries, but not, god forbid, western/israeli forces themselves when they are attacking Syria. It is a perfectly reasonable question. The notion that any reply to western agression is out of bounds because it might be used as a “pearl harbour” event is not exactly reassuring as to what the role of Russia is supposed to be in this shameful mess. In fact it is equivalent to saying, tacitly, that Russian can’t do anything about it. It seems clear the hyenas won’t stop their intentions to destroy Syria. So then, for Russia to maintain this vague and limited status about its presence there does not seem possible much longer. If open confrontation with the west *in Syria* seems too risky a move for Russia, this is perfectly understandable and would in part justify an honest retreat into its own borders in order to effect a complete and radical decoupling from the west and get rid of all the liberal rot within its own government. It would be understandable, even though it would of course be a horrible morale blow to so many of us, infinitely depressing, as we would be imprisoned for the foreseeable future in a system that has now got rid of even a pretense of a moral base and that is desintegrating into complete depravity. But definitely that will be our problem. We the zombified massess let it happen to us. Russia is not responsible for that and Russia does not have any obligation to take on the monstrous west outside of its own borders. Russia still has a chance to make a clear break with such a repulsive system as ours, and go its own way. What is really wearsome is this endlessly foggy role as Syrian protector but only up to a point, because of ourse Israel is supposed to be sacred or because defending Syria might look like pearl harbour and similar nonsense. This cannot be kept up. This fog.
the empire that makes our reality has us binded in a catch 22.When i say ‘us’ i mean the whole world,the whole humanity,if one just look at it from the filter of the west ,east,north,south,christian or muslim it would not be manifestically seen clearly. Like it was said,”the whole world is a theatre and everyone a bit player”
That it has taken about 70 years to set up this theatre and now they,the controllers who set up this catch 22 are not going to let the whole thing come to nothing.,they want their blood ,the pound of flesh ,so humanity mind is captured completely ,so the show can go on to the next level ..to whatever level they have in their fertile mind.The christians ,the hard boiled evangelist and from the muslims the hard boiled martyrs ,have been brainwashed to walk into this battle of not their choosing but engineered into it by ,you know the one we are talking, about the usual subject,it is not just the west or the east but some mysterious force that might have killed jfk, what was he saying?..or is it all just a conspiracy and ordinary peeps just want to kill other ordinary peeps?
i do not think that ,ordinary peeps will kill other ordinary peeps for nothing not even heaven.
“I am reading in various places on twitter …”
Really? And you believe in all what they are telling?
No satellite images or pictures from the ground at Mezze airbase or Khoms airbase?
The US claims that neither of these sites has been attacked, while the Russians claim that some missiles have truck those bases. So it should be a simple matter to give good evidence for the Russian story by showing pictures of impact craters at those sites. Does anyone know of any? If so, where? If not, then why not?
So Syrian air defense does have Pantsir missiles?
Yesterdays conference by Russian delegation to OPCW stating usa and allies trying to stitch up Douma investigation.worth listening to for the extreme concern being expressed
…Russia says that everything is set up though despite accusations by usa representative of prevention….note WHO have still to gain access to Douma for humanitarian assistance although they claimed previously they had evidence of the chemical attack…
The US Military need to act.
Meaning, take power.
Just read Seymour Hersh’s article on the attack a year ago…
It’s truly frightening:
“The national security advisers understood their dilemma: Trump wanted to respond to the affront to humanity committed by Syria and he did not want to be dissuaded. They were dealing with a man they considered to be not unkind and not stupid, but his limitations when it came to national security decisions were severe. “Everyone close to him knows his proclivity for acting precipitously when he does not know the facts,” the adviser said. “He doesn’t read anything and has no real historical knowledge. He wants verbal briefings and photographs. He’s a risk-taker. He can accept the consequences of a bad decision in the business world; he will just lose money. But in our world, lives will be lost and there will be long-term damage to our national security if he guesses wrong. He was told we did not have evidence of Syrian involvement and yet Trump says: ‘Do it.”’
It’s proven. This prez is unfit and most dangerous!
The whole Q anon crowd is utterly delusional. This is NOT some Kind of 4D chess. Trump may not be stupid but he lacks the qualities required for such game.
So PLEASE american generals, get off your colorful decorated a***es!
Muster, at last, that bit of courage.
And in case you have forgotten what courage is, for all the bottom-pushing and armchair-farting, just look at the guy whom the Syrians chose for president.
Now that’s a real PREZ!
He would have, he is a trained doctor.
Russia must make good on its -veiled – threat to make S-300s available to Syria.
This will be a game-changer and skake up the power balance in the region.
Did you know that by law, the US government cannot sell any weapons in the region, without the approval of Israel?
Israel is suppose to maintain what is described as its”Qualitative Military Edge” over its perceived enemies in the region – which means every one – so if they decide that the US selling something to a country in the region undermines this in anyway, the deal gets scrapped.
Go see for yourself:
The fact that the Americans were stupid enough to agree to this arrangement is their business, but Russia must not fall into this trap, because all it does is to facilitate Israel’s aggression against neighboring countries.
S-300s for Syria and
S-400s for Iran!!
19 JASSM-ER missiles were fired by two B1 bombers. This was their first every combat use. It seems that 16 of those hit the Barzah Centre near Damascus.
Those missiles are advertised as being “jam resistant”. I’m wondering if Russian EW tech doesn’t work on these munitions, though of course the S400s would still be able to target them. If true,perhaps we will see more of them used in the next attack on Syria.
all of the JASSM were disabled
“It seems that 16 of those hit the Barzah Centre near Damascus.”
Where is your source for this claim? I’ve seen no information about a breakdown of which specific missile types were aimed at specific targets. Nor any breakdown of the % for each type that were shot down.
Regarding jammed missiles, we don’t know how many were jammed, if any. The Russians inly released data on missiles shot down by Syrian AD. If missiles were defeated by jamming, these would be in addition to those 71 shot down. This article notes that factor:
Russian military releases full report for US-led missile attack on Syria, what air defense systems were used and their effectiveness
“The statistics likely fail to account for Western cruise missiles that were downed or driven off target due to ‘soft-kill’ electronic warfare systems – something which Russian sources will never confirm the use of.”
The Russians already have pointed out that the actual missiles strikes, and the damage they caused no way comes close to the number put out by the u.s. military propagandists. But they have not detailed how many missiles did hit a target. If it this information gets released, and the strikes are well less than the 32 missiles that survived Syrian AD, then we can surmise at least some missiles were defeated by jamming.
Russia must deploy the S-300 asap! to both Syria and Iran. Israel, Saudi, the US/NATO, even Turkey! all of them are happy to see Russians die. There is not turning back, Russia is at war, there are no western “partners”.
Moscow has ‘irrefutable’ evidence chem attack in Syria’s Douma was staged – Russia’s envoy to OPCW
“We have not just a ‘high level of confidence,’ as our Western partners uniformly put it; we have irrefutable proof that there was no chemical attack in Douma on April 7,” Russia’s Ambassador to the Organization for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons Aleksandr Shulgin said at a special meeting of the UN chemical watchdog’s executive council. The diplomat added that the incident had been a “pre-planned false-flag attack by the British security services, which could have also been aided by their allies in Washington.”
“Things unfolded according to the pre-written scenario prepared by Washington. There’s no doubt, the Americans play ‘first fiddle’ in all of this,” Shulgin said, adding that “attack” was staged by “pseudo-humanitarian NGOs,” which are under the patronage of the Syrian government’s foreign adversaries.
Russian radiological, chemical and biological-warfare units carefully examined the scene of the alleged attack mentioned in the NGOs’ reports immediately after the liberation of Douma from the militant groups, Shulgin said. He then drew attention to the fact that the Russian military specialists found “not a single piece of evidence” substantiating the claims about the alleged chemical attack. Instead, they found local witnesses who said that the video allegedly showing the aftermath of the perceived attack was in fact staged.”
In his latest email out PRC makes the following concluding statement: “Once Washington experiences a defeat, NATO will dissolve and with this dissolution Washington’s ability to threaten other countries will lose its cover and evaporate.” https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/17/crisis-beginning-stages/
However, the US has been experiencing defeats throughout recent history. The only way a “Washington” defeat will occur is if there is a very visible and public defeat that leads to regime change which covers both sides of the traditional political divide. And given the system is so corrupted by the dollar-vote nexus such a shock could only emerge from almost complete fiat currency failure. Given the implications of this level of collapse I’m not holding my breath. When the inmates have the keys and believe that everyone else is mad then inside is out, and outside is in. It is not a rational well-informed free market — it’s a political economy and exceptionalism rules.
I am glad to hear all the JASSM were disabled ! How do you know this? A link would be good please.
Hey Vot, It was just something I read on the latest Moon of Alabama post. It was in one of the comments but there was no source given.
S-200 is perhaps outdated ?
My dear, dear brothers in peace and comrades in war.
I offer you a reading of historical significance spoken with reverence on February 16, 1951.
“Of course, in the United States of America, in Britain, as also in France, there are aggressive forces thirsting for a new war. They need war to obtain super-profits, to plunder other countries. These are the billionaires and millionaires who regard war as an item of income which gives colossal profits.
They, these aggressive forces, control the reactionary governments and direct them. But at the same time they are afraid of their peoples who do not want a new war and stand for the maintenance of peace. Therefore they are trying to use the reactionary governments in order to enmesh their peoples with lies, to deceive them, and to depict the new war as defensive and the peaceful policy of the peace-loving countries as aggressive.
They are trying to deceive their peoples in order to impose on them their aggressive plans and to draw them into a war. Precisely for this reason they are afraid of the campaign in defense of peace, fearing that it can expose the aggressive intentions of the reactionary governments. Precisely for this reason they turned down the proposal of the Soviet Union for the conclusion of a Peace Pact, for the reduction of armaments, for banning the atomic weapon, fearing that the adoption of these proposals would undermine the aggressive measures of the reactionary governments and make the armaments race unnecessary.
What will be the end of this struggle between the aggressive and peace-loving forces? Peace will be preserved and consolidated if the peoples will take the cause of preserving peace into their own hands and will defend it to the end. War may become inevitable if the warmongers succeed in entangling the masses of the people in lies, in deceiving them and drawing them into a new world war.
That is why the wide campaign for the maintenance of peace as a means of exposing the criminal machinations of the warmongers is now of first-rate importance. As for the Soviet Union, it will continue in the future as well firmly to pursue the policy of averting war and maintaining peace.”
This speech was given by the “Man of Steel” himself, the great Koba, Joseph Djugashvilli.
This is where we are today; the people of America are being led down the dark path towards great conflict with modern day Russia. Holy Mother Church will protect her spiritually but she must now prepare to save her mortality with vigor and resoluteness.
Defend Syria now! You cannot retreat and allow the destruction enabled by great battles to stain Russian soil with corrupted blood. That would be an unforgivable mistake.
Russian Military Finds Chemical Weapons Warehouse in Syrian Douma – Reports
OPCW chemical weapons inspectors enter Douma – Syrian state media
Saudi Arabia Ready to Send Troops to Syria if Proposed – Foreign Minister
Gulf States Reportedly Reach Blackwater to Discuss US ‘Arab Force’ Plan in Syria
It’s quite obvious that 103-105 cruiser missiles didn’t much harm at all and most likely over 70 never reached their aim target. I won’t be surprised if half of the rest did not much damage at all. Just about 3-4 of last years similar action (60 Tomahawk) caused most of damage.
The main point here is that even hitting target these damages are relatively soon fixed. Just like during WW2.