Before, I write anything else, I would first call on you not to turn this into another “it’s not Macedonia – it’s FRYOM” thing. This feud about a name should be the last of your worries now, whether you are a Greek or Macedonian. So, everybody calm down. I’m just used to name Macedonia and I have no personal opinion on that issue.
By now the majority here heard of clashes in Macedonia that started on evening of May 8th.
It started with reports of sightings of unknown group of some 50 armed men around Kumanovo. Shortly after Macedonian agency INA reported that there are police forces present in the area.
The exchange of fire lasted throughout the night and the whole 9th of May. Assault rifles, snipers, grenades as reported were some of weapons used by the said armed group. It simmered down a little through the night and then continued on 10th again. As I type this on 10th in the evening reports are still coming, and often conflicting ones. First a report that says law enforcement upper handed the attackers, then after reports on fighting that continues. So, I’d take all this with a grain of salt.
Perpetrators are still an ‘unknown group’ according to most reports. Others report on UCK (KLA), some say it’s the Guard of Republic of Ilirida, some say a National Liberation Army. Some say an Albanian group from Kosovo, some say from Serbia…
While media outlets in the region were very reluctant to say who are the perpetrators, Albanians in Vienna were little less shy, they gathered in front of Macedonian embassy and chanted: “UCK, UCK” among other things… see here:
(notice the ever-present USA flag too….)
But let’s first establish this – regardless of which one of these groups (or more of them) are responsible – Without Americans giving an ‘OK’ no Albanian armed group would lift a finger. This is absolutely crucial. They never did nor ever will act independently of US command.
Sputnik reports on 8 police officers and 14 gunmen killed, and close to 40 people injured in clashes. This matches the reports from other outlets from the region.
So let’s first look in little more detail what happened in Macedonia before ‘zooming out’ to get a bigger picture and look at the background of these events.
More detailed report on one web portal, by the hour (from May 10th):
I will translate some of the points from the long article below.
Helicopters and UAVs in the air above the conflict zone, according to Macedonian media
12:15 – Clearing of area in progress, sniper fire is heard
13:35 death toll rose to eight police officers, more than 30 injured
In Kumanovo, sporadic gunshots are heard since morning; burned houses; four police officers are wounded. Number of killed police officers has risen to eight. Day of mourning proclaimed in Macedonia.
14:18 the arrested terrorists were arrested earlier today at the investigative judge, as reported by regional TV N1
14:25 – Albanian politician: Time for unification of Albanians
Albanian politician, leader of the List for natural (Greater) Albania, Koco Danaj, claims that for “war in Kumanovo,” in settlements inhabited by Albanians, the standing government is to blame; considers that the time has come for the unification of Albanians.
14:43 – Police destroyed a car bomb in informal settlements
Macedonian police during anti-terrorist action in Kumanovo destroyed a car bomb, which was full of explosives, Macedonian media reported, citing sources from the security services.
15:45 – Kotevskiin: The arrested terrorist leaders from Kosovo
Plan of armed terrorist group was an attack on several government and civilian targets, admitted some of arrested individuals, confirmed a spokesman for the Macedonian Interior Ministry Ivo Kotevski.
Kotevski confirmed that the police action eliminated one of the most dangerous terrorist groups in the Balkans, reports portal mkd.mk.
17:51 – identified terrorist leaders
Interior Ministry spokesman Ivo Kotevski said at a press conference that the police action, which began on Saturday morning is now completed; a terrorist group which numbered more than 40 people, eliminated and neutralized.
The leaders of this group were, according to him, the notorious Muhammad Krasniqi called ‘commander of Malisheva’, Mirsad Ndrecaj ‘Commander of Nato’, Sami Uksini ‘Commander Sokoli’, Beg Rizaj alias ‘Commander Begu’ and Dene Shehu alias ‘Juniku’.
Kotevski said that they are Albanians from Kosovo and are associated with the formation of numerous terrorist and extremist groups in the region, that is, he said, are registered as founders of paramilitary structures.
19:19 – Leaders of terrorists were bodyguards Ahmeti and Haradinaj
The leaders of the terrorist group broken Dene Shehu and Beg Rizaj were bodyguards of leaders of the ruling Macedonian party Democratic Union for Integration, Ali Ahmeti and Hague indictee Ramush Haradinaj, transmitted Macedonian media.
Albanian media report that the Shehu as a member of the KLA took part in the fighting in Kosovo in 1999 and Macedonia in 2001, after which he was a bodyguard of Ahmeti, and was often seen with other officials of the party.
Beg Rizaj, was a member of the KLA in areo of Dukađinina in Kosovo, led by Ramush Haradinaj. After the war in Kosovo, he was a bodyguard of Haradinaj.
Some footage from the area (9-10th of May):
Meanwhile, this is circling on Social Media and some news sites:
“Our editorial statement that reached us, send Hamdi Ndrecaj commander known as Panther. Here is a statement as follows:
APPEAL: Guerrilla Republic of Illyrida
Seeing increased tensions of the fascist monster state of FYROM, I’m seeking urgent that all comrades, and all Albanians who serve the state apparatus of the Slavo-Macedonians, quickly take off the uniforms of this country and fascist uniform slavomakedonski police camera that the blood of our sons washes the streets of our ethnic occupied territories.
So please for the last time, to return to the right path, the path that is happiness (the hope) of the Albanian people and not be part of the monstrous state apparatus. We are obliged to tell you that we don’t want killing of brothers in any form, even though that is what someone wants.
If you do not want to join us in our just cause, then we plead that you do get in our way, the revolution will begin soon, and that is why this is our last address, as all who wear the uniform of the slav.maked.policija army and their weapons will have treat like they’re the slavomakedonci (police, military)
Guard of the Republic of Illyrida, GRI
Other interesting thing – Some 700 hundred Albanian refugees already crossed border with Serbia fleeing from conflict. I say interesting, because they were equally close to Kosovo and could also choose motherland Albania. They obviously considered Serbia to be ‘the best option’.
Also, an appeal from terrorist UCK (known as KLA in the West) appeared in Albanian media (Telegrafi.com):
“This scenario is directed against the Albanian people, and this is intimidating introduction to the ethnic cleansing of Albanians and the expulsion of people from homes. We invite barbarian formations to withdraw from Kumanovo and leave peaceful citizens alone. Albanians are accustomed to this kind of scenarios by Serbo-slavic barbarians.” – said in a statement of the KLA from this morning as transfer Albanian media.
“Failure to comply with the conclusions of the Ohrid agreement in 2001 forced the Albanians to defend themselves. We express our condolences to the families of Albanians who were killed, and at the same time we call for caution, because we need to be prepared for all scenarios that are prepared by Slovenian occupators” – concludes the statement.
In the meantime, ‘the Guard of Republic of Illirida’ and NLA made another announcement (as reported by several online Albanian/Macedonian and Serbian outlets):
In the proclamation that the “Guard” published, all Albanian territories and the international community were informed that all Albanian groups and military units of the National Liberation Army are starting to act as one body, for the establishment of the Republic ILIRIDA.
This group has asked the international community to force Macedonia and her armed forces to stop using military helicopters against the NLA. (I couldn’t make this up even if I tried)
– Otherwise, we will be forced to take proportional measures, which are in strict violation of international conventions of war – said NLA.
Albanians have pointed out that their aim is to create a so-called Republic of ILIRIDA.
– If the leadership of Macedonia, as a counterfeit creation, continues to act repressively with it’s state apparatus, we are ready to brake apart, if necessary, not only Macedonia, but also the whole of the Balkans inhabited by Albanians, because the international factor leaves us no other choice – said in a statement she signed commander Hamdi Ndrecaj. (guy on the pics: http://www.dokaz.mk/ova-e-liderot-na-novata-garda-na-ilirida-hamdi-ndretsaj-panter/ )
Serbian special police forces of “Жандармерија” as well as anti-terrorist unit “ПТЈ” were sent into border region near Macedonia on 9th as a precaution if some of the insurgents try to cross the border.
Now another interesting news. Yesterday on 9th of May this showed up:
“German citizen, was arrested at the border crossing Batrovci, when the police in his car brand “Passat” found 10 packages of 100 pieces of electronic detonators for explosives.”
(this is a border crossing between Serbia and Croatia). He was entering Serbia. However, still no follow-up on this.
So, now that we’ve seen what is taking place in Macedonia, I would go back to some previous events that took place there and put it all into context. This, of course, is not an isolated or spontaneous event, just like the ‘colored revolution’ taking place there at the moment isn’t spontaneous.
All Albanian leaders mentioned by name in these reports were at some point connected to the KLA. Whether this was in 2001 conflict in Macedonia and south of Serbia, ‘98/’99 war on Kosovo or any of separate attacks afterwards, they were connected to some of these.
KLA is, of course, another bastard child of the American Empire. And has, just like her other children several names and sub-groups. (i.e. Al-qaeda, ISIS, FSA, Boko Haram and so on…) So, we have KLA (UCK), some Guard of so called Republic of Ilirida, then some Liberation Army. All in fact are one and the same, same leaders, same goals, and with one main patron – the USA.
They are USA’s ‘wild card’ in the Balkans, an ‘Ace from the sleeve’. America holds this entire area in the state of frozen conflict. With the snap of the fingers this can become an all out war all over again. Bosnia, Southern Serbia/Kosovo and Metohija, Macedonia, Montenegro… any area – you name it, and they have it ready to blow.
Now in this possible new conflict in Macedonia (with a strong possibility of spreading into Serbia, if needed be) there are roughly speaking, three ‘sides’ – Albanian, Serbian and Macedonian. Neither of three can ‘win’, there can only be losers. We will now walk the path that the USA put in front of us and hope not to step on a mine. Or if we do, then hope we step on as little mines as possible.
There are already appeals coming from the ‘international community’ saying that there must be an end to the violence. Now, that’s very noble indeed, but it’s only a shame these appeals are arriving at the wrong address. EU should try appealing to Washington, if they are really sincere in wanting to stop this.
So, this conflict it totally out of hands of either of the governments of the countries in region. Each of them has a puppet government in place and the ‘merry crew’ that started shooting few days ago, works for the same boss as those governments. In other words, the conflict will grow depending on how much USA wants it to grow. Is the goal just stopping the possible Turk stream? Is it directed at destabilizing the region and thus giving a warning to all parties involved – Macedonians to stop dreaming of deals that do not have the Empire’s blessing and for Serbia to stop flirting with Russia? Or to explain the Greeks that your tourist season can really suck if you have a war next to your border. Who would dare fly there? Nobody wants another MH17. Was this a ‘backup Ukraine’ if fighting there slows down too much? Or is this just a way the Empire says ‘Happy Victory Day!’
Or is the whole deal just a series of false flag attacks directed by the current gov.? This is a popular theory in Macedonia, spread mostly by the opposition. The only problem is – no one of Macedonians controls the KLA, USA does. And USA already picked their new government – and it’s not the current one.
Now don’t mistake this for some kind of a supportive statement aimed at current government of FRYOM. Gruevski is, by all accounts very corrupt and with ton of affairs/scandals in his belt – very wrong man to head your government. But like the armed conflict that will have no winner, same can be said for current political struggle there. We have one set of stooges trying to replace other set of stooges. A corrupt puppet of the West, Gruevski, getting replaced by the slimy puppet of the West, Zaev. The new stooge might even be worse. Why? Well, common sense tells you that if USA is using CIA front groups to install a new puppet in place of their old puppet, that means that they expect the new one to be even more servile and obedient. USA definitely counts on having something to gain from installing a new toy politician there. For the common citizen of Macedonia, however, there is nothing to gain from this ‘change’. Example of this from Ukraine – who would you like to have as head of the government: Poroshenko, Turcinov or Yatsenuk. Awesome choices, right!?
Just listening to Zaev speaking you’ll hear how hollow it all sounds. Same BS like when Porosenko was promising prosperity to Ukrainian masses. But add to it a massive support from western owned media – and voilà, we have a winner. Not only that, but you will also bring sheeple out on the streets and have them grabbing each other’s throats, fighting for ‘their champion’.
So, it’ll be good to ‘tune your antennas’ when receiving the coverage of this crisis from western media as ‘tone’ of it can tell a lot about the stance that State Department & Co. will take on it. Even if it doesn’t mention State Dept. at all.
When you saw, after an hour of downing of MH17 , headlines that said >>PUTIN’S MISSILE!!<<, you didn’t really have to wait for separate, official statements of NATO governments. If CNN starts reporting about the ‘use of excessive force on freedom loving, democracy-admiring peaceful citizens, you’re in for a bad period Macedonia. And if you see a headline like this:
then you’re really screwed.
Albanian media, like the outlet ‘Koha Ditore’, already started playing the ‘Milosevic card’ on Gruevski, just like they played ‘Hitler card’ on Milosevic (which was kinda stupid, as Hitler actually supported the greater Albania project). Now, there was a similar ‘show of force’ by the KLA just recently (of which I will write further down in this post) where ~50 armed men took a border post at the village of Gosice. Only that time there were no victims, other than a few beaten-up police officers. Many called that event a false flag. Claiming that the current government organized it in order to deflect attention from themselves and to bring dissent into Macedonian and Albanian public. To make them direct their discontent toward each other, instead at government. And I have to agree that it had many symptoms of a false flag op. Maybe it was a ‘double false flag’ made by the accusers so they can accuse the accused (some of you are probably thinking of the ‘keanu reevs meme’ right now, but let’s remain serious for a moment). Whatever the case was back then, now it serves to ‘prove that all this is a set up’.
And now it gets interesting. Now the opposition blames every action of the armed groups on the current government!
And it looks like the good ol’ US of A took some notes while watching those polite green men in Crimea in action. Spreading dis-info and confusion and contradicting information to paralyze everyone trying to respond. Meanwhile some real work is getting done on the ground. So this “it’s all an act”, serves as some kind of anesthesia – ‘don’t worry everyone, it’s just the current gov. trying desperately to stay in power’. The same mantra is repeated by some outlets on the Serbian side too – ‘hey no need to secure the border, it’s just an act by the government’. It’ll all simmer down once all these affairs and scandals are forgotten. But by looking at who are the most vocal proponents of this ‘it’s all nothing’ mantra, you will trace them back to CIA and Soros funded front groups, also.
Now, take a step back and have a look at who’s running the show here. We have KLA (run exclusively by the USA), mass media, run by the USA, NGOs (USAID, NED, Freedom House, Open Society Foundation….) again from the same source. And then we have two sides ‘fighting for power’ – both USA puppets along with the current governments in the region (Serbia, Albania).
So, some foul play is definitely taking place, and all this might really be some theatrics. But NOT directed by one of the sides trying to take power in Macedonia, but by the USA.
But these tensions were present almost without interuptions for the past 15+ years. And every month or so a smaller incident would take place, just to not let the ‘frozen conflict’ project ‘melt away’.
About the origins of KLA, their leaders, ties with USA and NATO there are many articles written. Without even trying hard you can find all the information needed online. So, I’ll just focus on recent incidents tied to one that just happened.
As reported by KM Neswpapers last month:
“KLA negotiates in Brussels, kills in Macedonia” (http://www.kmnovine.com/2015/04/t_21.html )
“Macedonian police reported that about 40 well-armed and masked men with insignia of the terrorist KLA, on the night between Monday and Tuesday, stormed the border post of “Gošince” on the border between Macedonia and Kosovo and Metohija. Then they tied up and beaten the police officers while taking it all on camera.
They captured four policemen, said Assistant Minister of Interior Ivo Kotevski.
Through an interpreter who spoke bad Macedonian, lider of the group addressed the policemen with words – “we are the KLA, nor Ahmeti nor Gruevski can save you. We want our country and we do not want any of Ohrid negotiations,” said Kotevski.
According to the first accounts and operational information a terrorist group in Macedonia came from Kosovo.
However, right after, followed the attacks by pro-Western parties, various NGOs and members of the illegal, paramilitary movement of shqiptar separatists who claim to want peace. That same vocabulary which they used to hide their true intentions before the start of massive terrorist attacks on Serbian police, civilians and military. So did a former member of the so-called. “National Liberation Army” (NLA) Abedin Zimberi, who lives in Lipkovski region, say that ‘in this area there are no armed persons’, announced american Radio Free Europe in Macedonian language.”
Anyway, border Post Gošince located above Kumanovo, on the border with Kosovo is in the immediate vicinity ofthe post Tanusevci, and those were two points which were attacked first in 2001, when members of the KLA in the area declared free territory.
RT gave just a short mention in their News Line. Here, a screenshot:
UCK/KLA also took responsiliblty for several attacks that took place in December of 2014. on police stations and government building.
*For readers from exYugoslavia (picture has text in Serbian)– a small chronoligy of the conflicts in Macedonia http://srbin.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/46.jpg
This exact course of events was predicted at the beginning of 2015. Example from ‘Politika’ (one of the oldest newspapers in the region with first publication in January of 1904.) which had Op-ed by Misha Djurkovich, named “Destabilization of Macedonia” ( http://www.politika.rs/pogledi/Missa-Djurkovich/Destabilizacija-Makedonije.sr.html ) on 13th Feb 2015.
“Zaev and a new team of associates chose different methods of struggle against Gruevski. Last year’s elections for parliament and president they did not acknowledge and up until today MPs of the party are boycotting the parliament. They turned to primarily non-parliamentary methods and encouragement of civil protests. During the last year, instead of political struggle, Macedonia was marked by various forms of social and civil protests.”
“SDSM began to announce the “media bomb” four months ago. While the public is waiting, Zaev, with some material secretly went to see the Prime Minister trying to blackmail him to form joint caretaker government and organize new elections. Two weeks ago, Gruevski came out in public with this information. Sitel Television broadcasted the footage that show Zaev claiming that he received the compromising material from members of the foreign service of some “non-adjacent state”, and the police subsequently arrested Zoran Verushevski, former head of the Macedonian authorities, his wife and another person from Strumica. Against all of them, and Zaev, whose passport was taken away, the procedure for endangering the constitutional order and a threat to the authorities was initiated. In public this was intensified by the story of the “coup” that is being prepared with the help of foreign powers.”
“This case received wider international dimension. Western embassies and senior EU officials have reacted very upset and asked for some kind of arbitration in this process. On the other hand, the Russian Foreign Ministry was very clear, speakiing of a coup, seeking to “preserve stability in a friendly country” and noting that destabilization could also be initiated by “ethnic tensions”. In Macedonia, it is speculated that this spring could bring new movements among extremist Albanian groups fueled by images of “natural Albania” and appeals from ISIL.”
“Geopolitical analysts point to the fact that with the new project of Russia “Turkish Stream”, Macedonia became an important hub. Stubborn Gruevski rejects all proposals to change the name of the state, and like Orban, shows more interest in cooperation with the eastern partners and fewer worries for dissatisfaction with Western states and institutions. Many local analysts argue that this is the background of current developments and attempts to destabilize Macedonia. The opposition claims that this is just an excuse for authoritarian methods.”
And just for fun and little irony I will quote the second comment below the article in Politika, posted under the name ‘Serb from Macedonia’:
“I carefully read every word. I know the affairs of the Republic of Macedonia much better than the author of the article. To me, it’s a COMPLETE anachronism the assertion by the author that it will come to destabilization of Macedonia and broader area. Even more, the situation that someone wants to portrait as dangerous and that the Albanian factor is the most dangerous is not correct.”
No destabilization indeed!
November 4th 2014. On Voice of Russia (now Sputnik news) , Ratko Paic wrote of:
“Guard of the Republic of Ilirida in Macedonia also remotely controlled?”
“And while in those moments all the theartics possibly looked to some as just a cleverly designed show with a striking stage presence whose purpose was only to entertain the audience and end it at that, then the subsequent events have shown that the problem is deeper, and that the “play” will have more acts, and that probably many will not be fun. Namely, several days ago, it went a step further, or if you want – many steps further, as the self-proclaimed “Republic of Illirida” got its Guard, which is said that will be patrolling everywhere where ethnic Albanian population in Macedonia is, until, as noted, “the final status of that territory is resolved” and the proclamation was signed by a man who poses as General; from this all, the conclusion can be derived that someone will actually do everything in his power to turn into a real life a slogan “Skopje is the heart of Albania”, which was launched this summer on protest rallies.”
Another fact that favours the claim that all this was premediated and that armed conflict was planned for this spring is this:
The sudden ‘exodus’ of Albainan population (mainly from Kosovo) into EU.
http://www.balkanmagazin.net/novosti-i-politika/cid128-108219/kosovski-albanci-masovno-napustaju-kosovo (Feb. 4th 2015))
http://rt.com/news/234131-eu-kosovo-asylum-seekers/ (Feb. 20th 2015)
When interviewed, people gave various reasons for seeking asylum abroad. Economin situation is very bad, unemployment rate is sky-high, constant mafia wars, unsafe place to raise children, more frequent ISIS recruiters and so on… But interestingly, some gave this for an answer: fear from a new conflict in the region.
Many reports from November to late Febriary in many media outlets spoke of “massive Albanian exodus”. Now, it should be kept in mind that all nationalities live equally bad in the region. Serbs and Macedonians are in the same, hard situation, whether they live on territory of Serbia and Kosovo or Macedonia. And yet, Albanians make up overwhelming majority 95+% in this ‘big exodus’. First reactions from Macedonians and Serbs were – “they know something that we don’t know.” “War is about to start this spring.”
Why would they know? Well once the members of armed extremist groups got their marching orders, it spread throughout the (very close) community. And why would you, otherwise, choose the middle of the winter to go on such a risky adventure? -a tip: it was urgent to leave!
If Novorussians got the memo from State Department that a war is coming to their neighbourhood, they’d probably have some of their family sent away (to Russia or elswhere), even before the actual shooting started.
http://fakti.org/srpski-duh/iza-egzodusa-su-dirigentski-prsti-zapada-i-vlasti-u-pristini (March 4th 2015)
(first picture is taken on a bus station in Pristina)
“The West and authorities from Pristina are behind the exodus”
“This phenomenon scared many, in a way, but certainly most are in confusion and dilemma. For these reasons, after following the developments in Kosovo and Metohija for many years, I wanted to give my observations and view.”
“Analyzing this phenomenon, we must first know that the Albanians are a nation very prone to migration, if one can say so. The most common reasons for migration are economic in nature but also an element of constant striving for claiming new territories. That’s why this latest exodus from Kosovo is not some special phenomenon. However, what is specific to the current mass exodus is that it occurs in specific conditions and with strong intensity in a very short period of time.
This phenomenon undoubtedly leads to the conclusion that in this case we have a very organized process of emigration.
The very organization of such a departure, when viewed from the side, begs the question: how is it possible to animate such a number of departures on a national basis? However, here too, there’s nothing especially new as far as the Albanians are concerned, especially when fullfilling a given national goal.
Concluding thoughts or Riding out the storm
When talking about these migrations with people around here, you could here things like this: “So, it is beginning! – What do you think, Spring? – Spring or Summer!”
“Did you hear about the new ‘Turk stream’ they want to build?” -“Yeah, it’s gonna get bad, Americans will never allow it to pass through here.”
And even earlier, when the Ukrainian crisis started. When the Empire finally took of the mask, and went openly against the Russia, people here knew. “If Russians continue to win this, it’s the Balkans then.” -“Yes, it’s our turn, again.”
And, of course, everyone kept cheering for Russia. Because if the Russians don’t win this, we won’t even have a fighting chance. If they do however, there’s hope. Even if that means another war that NATO will start in the Balkans. The sole fact that they are destabilizing Macedonia or Serbia or Greece means that we still have a ‘pulse’. It means that they still have something to ‘shatter’. I’d be more worried if everything was quiet here – that would mean that we are way beyond the point of no return, that there are no free people left here. And for my brothers and sisters in Macedonia and the region – we just have to ride out this storm.
Let’s see: if other countries behaved like Greece, Belgium would be protesting that their province of Luxembourg is being maligned by the smaller Duchy of Luxembourg stealing their name and not only that, stealing the name of the Duchy’s capital from their noble province’s name. Wow!
So, after reading the post above your comment, your real problem is Greece and the dispute about the name?
That silly name issue prevents Greece and Macedonia from co-operating over big issues like “how do we both survive the Empire’s stirring up war”.
Well, it is not that silly. I am terribly biased on the issue since I am Greek from Macedonia. I just respect the article’s author wishes and not making a fuss about it. If you can find a suitable place to talk about it and not spam people about something they are not interested in, I could explain. Explain without throwing history data all over the place, just the feelings and why Greeks are all jumpy about it.
At least use, in this forum, Macedonija. Using the same-self name should never be objectionable.
I am not suprised at all from all you answers reading hear and being proud of your history. Very shortly, at that time there were two states Ancient Macedonia and Helas in the south which is today’s Peloponese.
It is not possible that the people in these countries are all Greek and that your ancestry is from the anciant macedonians. I also do not know how much of the old greeks have something in common with today’s greeks. But what i am sure in is the nationalism that had arisen and hate that you have agains the northern neighbour. There is minorities in greece who have no rights, no rights to go to elections, no rights on their own language and are assimilated over years.
You can say what ever you like, but greece will never be as uk, germany or any other country in terms of respect of human rights. Please note that 4% swedish population in finland are allowed to learn in their swedish language and you’ve been assimilating macedonian minority or you can say bulgarian or whatever with years.
The problem in macedonia today is the corrupted government on one side and some evil people who are dreaming of greater albania. But most of the population maybe more tha 95% simply wants to leave in peace.
Mike, ever since the demise of Alexander the Great’s Empire, there has NEVER existed an independent country named Macedonia. During the Roman and Byzantine eras there existed provinces called Macedonia, with varying borders, stretching all the way from the Adriatic to the Black Sea – definitely NOT ethnic states. What you refer to is the Roman province of Macedonia and the Roman province of ACHAIA, not Greece. It was Macedonia and Achaia, and of course, in the 1st century BC or 3rd century AD, there was not one Slav in sight in the entire Balkan peninsula. The reason why there is no “Macedonian” minority in Greece is because being “Macedonian” in Greece means exactly the same as being “Arizonan” in the USA, that is, Greek. Also, would you say that all Hispanic people in the USA are Mexicans? No! Most of them feel genuinely American even if Spanish is their first language. Same thing with the Slavic-speaking Greeks in Greek Macedonia. Most of them have fought together with the rest of the Greeks against Bulgarians and communist Yugoslavs and chose to stay in Greece rather than migrate to Bulgaria or Yugoslavia. There actually exists a minority party for so-called “ethnic Macedonians” that gets 3,000 votes or so. Does this mean there exists a minority? So be it. If they choose a hyphenated version of “Macedonian” the Greek state will recognize them. But Greece can never recognize an unhyphenated version of “Macedonia”.
Simple – because they are abusive on someones private property! Have you ever asked yourself why Grease is the only contry in the world without a cadastre?
Simple – because they are abusive on someones private property! Have you ever asked yourself why Grease is the only contry in the world without a cadastre?
The balkan peninsula is about to go up in flames and someone is still arguing over a name….
on the other hand, when your name is all you have left….
@ Serbian Girl
Drones are everywhere. There are technics to disturb forums and discussions in the internet. I would assume this is one of that actions. Its silly and the only target is to lead the discussion into nowhere land.
At this juncture, only dishonest Greek hating idiots claim the dispute is just over a name.
Then what is Greece’s dispute with Macedonia over?
Dear Uncle Bob 1
It´s about our history, identity and the ultimate fyromian wet dream:
The first thing fyrom did when they became independent was a flag with a greek symbol, the vergina sun, secondly they printed money with the white tower in Thessaloniki, thirdly the printed maps with the “united macedonia” as the link shows.
Fyromians claim that northern part of Greece – Macedonia – is occupied, and that there are fyromians in Greece waiting for the liberation.
It´s definately not only a question of the name!
@ athanasios, Greek & Anonymous, I fully understand that the ‘name thing’ has other underlying issues as well, like you listed. I just didn’t want the discussion about that encompass the topic at hand, as they are not tied to each other. That is an issue that requires resolution, but is entirely up to FYROM and Greece to sort it out. I am against the ‘annexation’ of history, of course, but I avoided the topic as I leave it to you guys, but I would rather leave it for a separate article or discussion.
If, in the meantime, there are people that can’t stand it in the text, use the text editor and replace every Macedonia with what you want and read it that way.
Thank you for your mail. I tried to avoid the issue by respect, but I couldn´t hold this anser back since I consider Uncle Bob 1 as a serious reader/poster.
I will never again post anything about above again.
P.S Thanks for a brilliant article!
definitly a good work of Saker on the article.
I am afraid there will be much more to report and analyse.
Most of the commentators here are neither “anti-Greek” nor “idiots” so watch your language.
I think the comments about “name issues” were directed toward the Macedonians who have bigger fish to fry right now given the situation in their country.
OK, I will try to answer your question.
I was born and raised in Macedonia (the Greek one). My parents and the rest of my family are still there. I feel offended every time someone mentions FYROM as Macedonia. The helpless kind of offended, not the angry one. I will try to explain, as unbiased as I can, why I feel offended.
The problem with FYROM is in history books. Or more accurately in history textbooks. In what little children grow up believing in. There are two versions on that history. The one taught in Greece and the one taught in FYROM.
Let me try to summarize those two different histories. Which one is more accurate, is not in my intention to discuss.
In Greek history, Macedonia was one of the ancient Greek kingdoms. Ancient Macedonians were simply Greeks. During the roman and later the byzantine period, lots of other people came to live in the region, mingling with the local populace. Finally during Ottoman rule lots of turks came to live as well. When the region was finally liberated by Greece, only the populace that defined itself Greek, stayed in the region. In that history, FYROM was merely an attempt of communist Yugoslavian leader Tito, to side with the communist side of the post-WW2 greek civil war and create a new country that will give him access to the Aegean sea. Some of the Greek communist rebels fled to FYROM after their defeat.
In FYROM history, Macedonia was not an ancient Greek kingdom. It was a completely different set of people. During the roman and later the byzantine period, lots of other people came to live in the region, mingling with the local populace. During Ottoman rule, lots of turks came to live as well. Finally, Greece came and occupied the region. During the greek civil war, there was an attempt from the communist side to free Macedonia, but it failed to succeed. Some Macedonian freedom fighters fled to FYROM, but most of the population still lives under Greek occupation.
If you are interested which version is closer to the truth, do some research. I want to talk about the future. In the Greek version, there is no possibility of a conflict, now or ever. The biggest part of Macedonia is in Greek control populated by Greeks. The tiny parts of ancient Macedonia that are not in Greece, don’t matter at all cause they are populated by non Greeks.
FYROM’s version on the other hand is filled with future conflict. They believe that the greater part of their country is under Greek occupation with Macedonian people living oppressed. It has conflict written all over it.
Sure, FYROM is no match for Greece military, but there would always be some hotheads that would try to stir some trouble.
As to why I feel offended. Every time you call them Macedonia, you are calling me a thief of their land and an oppressor. And it hurts even more because I know that it’s a lie. My family and all the people I know in my hometown, identify themselves as Greeks. I fail to see who we are oppressing.
Very good and valid explanation. I totally support you, the one’s that do not are not patriotic people and will never understand your point of view and are probably communists. Keep your voice heard don’t be silent.
Macedonia for the Macedonians! Greece Bulgaria Serbia all partitioned macedonia in 1913 and only the part taken from the serbs was freed in 1991, the rest is still with greece and bulgaria to this day. Gets your facts straight.
There was no territorial entity named “Macedonia” in 1913. Before 1913 there were only Ottoman sanjaks. What you refer as “historical Macedonia” is pure fiction. Before 1913 there was no historical Macedonia, just the sanjaks of Selanik, Monastir and Kosovo.
@Stergios Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of macedonian families that were forcibly displaced from their lands in Aegean Macedonia during the Greek civil war 1946-49. Can you explain why the lot of them (holding USSA, Canadian and Australian passports) are blacklisted from entering Hellass to this very day?
Greeks are brainwashed xenophobic morons. If you had any dignity left you would’ve shafted the Troika sharks a few years ago. Get over it!
Way to keep your eyes focused on the real issue.
( let alone read the instructions in the beginning… )
If other countries were behaving like Skopje…
… Russia would be claiming Confuscious their national hero and claiming 1/3 of China as occupied.
… Mexico would be claiming Spanish the “ethnic American” langauge while encouraging their citizens to see California as occupied.
… French would claim themselves ‘ethic English” while suggesting the modern British were occupying England.
Really, Albert? Does the Great Duchy of Luxembourg have maps like this in their schools? http://history-of-macedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dimotiko_sxoleio_skopion.jpg
Just to add another piece to the puzzle:
Russia Invites Greece to Be Sixth Member of BRICS New Development Bank
Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on Monday held a telephone conversation with Russian Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak. During the conversation, Storchak invited Greece to become the sixth member of the New Development Bank of BRICS countries, Greece’s Syriza party reported on its website.
Whoa! Now that’s significant. The fundamental vulnerabilty of Greece is quite simply that the troika control their money and banking. If they can get an alternative, suddenly they have strength from which to negotiate . . . or strength with which to walk away.
The vital importance of the Baltic nations to Hilter’s drive through Europe and the beginning of WW1,then the beginning of WW1comes to mind! The Baltic countries were the ones that in the Middle Ages and before were the demarcation area where travellers, caravans, stopped to make sure they did not bring the Middle Eastern diseases to Europe no European could survive. A demarcation successfully used for a thousand years on the Islands of Hawaii too.
Do you mean Balkan?
Speaking of diseases from the Middle East – did you know that a Kosovo Albanian man, travelling to Mecca and other areas of the region, brought back small pox into Yugoslavia in the early ’70s. He brought it to Pristina, Kosovo, but the sick were then taken to Cacak, Serbia and then to Belgrade before the doctors finally realized what it was. And by that time several had gotten it and died.
The man himself didn’t get sick – he’d had the small pox shot 2 months before he went on his journey, though apparently had some mild flu-like symptoms sometime while he was there or on his way back – that was his story. So he was just a carrier.
The whole thing sounds suspicious to me though.
And that outbreak is why you still see young Serbs today with that small pox vaccination scar on their upper arm/shoulder area. For instance, tennis player Ana Ivanovic has it. She was born in November 1987. In the U.S. they stopped giving small pox vaccinations to babies by the early ’70s.
NATO paratrooper activity at Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo. Usanians, Germans, Hungarians. Been going on for a year.
After 10 years, paratroopers soar in Kosovo 04/2014
KFOR 19 soars in Kosovo 12/2014
Multinational airborne operation 04/2015
As a Serb I simply cannot understand what the hell the western elite still wants from us that causes them to force us into one war after another for the last 100 years.
We have no great resources, neither do we hold strategic territory, it’s just a way for these assholes to show the world that Russia is weak because she cannot help us. And that’s indeed what will happen because there’s simply no way that anyone will be able to help us.
**** them! In the end we all die so it doesn’t matter at all if it happens this summer or in 40 years. We’ll fight them to the last man! And I do not mean the average Albanian, German or American, because they are just being played and sent as cannon fodder by their sick globalist masters.
You are on the land route to the middle east through South East Europe.You were important to the Romans,Byzantines,Crusaders,Ottomans,and nazis,for the same reason. Controlling historic Serb territory either opens,or closes,that route.Today its the pipelines they want.You also are right concerning Russia.The Serb-Russian friendship has always been a bone in the West’s throat.I believe they destroyed Yugoslavia for that reason.In Yugoslavia they insisted on breaking the country apart.While in Ukraine they insist on not breaking it apart.What is the difference? A united Russia-friendly Yugoslavia was a threat to them.While a united pro-fascist Ukraine is a threat to Russia.The difference and intention is clear.
In a nutshell!
That’s exaktly why!
“As a Serb I simply cannot understand what the hell the western elite still wants from us that causes them to force us into one war after another for the last 100 years.”
If you are still unsure of why this is happening over and over again, but still curious to find out, then I would suggest reading “Catena Mundi”.
I am Bulgarian and share your opinion. Maybe because you still have and hold to your national dignity while the rest around have become mere colonies with muppet governments.
And the gas pipe line of course.
It’s too bad Bulgarians didn’t turn more to Russia. Russia always liked Bulgaria, but Bulgaria chose the German/western sides for war and in crucial times.
Bulgaria was threatened by the EU and U.S. Senators in regards to South Stream which would have brought in a lot of revenue for Bulgaria.
Also, you the last stand of “Russian Influence” or “Eastern Influence” more exactly, in “Central Europe”, the only country different from the rest, not to mention the strategic location like Uncle Bob mentioned…
You Serbs always “belittle” yourselves… You are important, one more of the most important frozen conflicts in the current world in fact. In a way even more important than Ukraine.
This just shows even more, how important it is for the junta to be totally defeated.And fascism ended in Ukraine, as soon as possible.The borders lands of Russia must be secured, and the Rus peoples liberated.
It also shows clearly why the Empire and NATO stooges want small weak states throughout the world.Its much easier to control,divide,and stir up trouble in small weak states.They wanted to weaken the Balkan regions so they destroyed the one state there (Yugoslavia) that had a history of violent resistance to foreign military forces controlling it.They knew the Serbs were the toughest fighters in the Balkans.The Ottoman Wars,WW1 and WW2,proved that.So after destroying unity in Yugoslavia.They finished by destroying Serb resistance.They have,out of one fairly strong state,created seven,weak states (and may be working on more).As an object lesson to those that defy them.
The EU as an entity is worthless for Russia to worry about.The leaders there made their beds with the US long ago.And they aren’t going to change in the foreseeable future.Its the still somewhat independent ex-Soviet states,and a few somewhat more independent European states that Russia should try and salvage.If Greece can be saved (doubtful),they have to do that themselves to start with.And I don’t really see them doing that.They need to ask Russia (and China) for aid.And they should ask themselves,if the US is successful in Macedonia.How long until their time comes.If I were a Greek leader,I would put aside my foolish “name” quarrel with Macedonia and offer them security help.And the Serbs and Hungarians should be asking the same question,”are we next”.And they should both be offering (secret at least) aid to Macedonia.Mainly because,yes,the answer to that question for all three countries is “yes,you are next”.
As a Greek you are mostly correct, BUT the name Macedonia is simply NON NEGOTIABLE.
The reason being is that, we LOSE OUR IDENTITY.
I will explain , in the south of Italy there are people that speak the regional Ancient dialect of Grecanika (ancient form of Doric-ΔΩΡΙΚΗ) Some of the words the use are more correct that I am using.
People in Eastern Anatolia of Turkey speak acient form of Greek as well the Turks call the Rumci as in Roman Citizen of old.
Yet we are all Hellenes or Greek to you.
The Empire tries very hard to ALTER HISTORY and WE REFUSE.
Anyway Before it was called South Serbia and before that Macedonia and before that Peaonia.
Where do we stop?
On the other hand WE DO NEED TO CLUB TOGETHER for our very survival as ethnic entities. and BE FREE to chose our destiny.
We do support the Serbs and they know it even when we have the most treacherous Politicians MOST OF THEM, from left to right.
At the moment we are organising on the Patriotic front to free ourselves from the EU and the Whole of the Empire.
In Greece even Italians have joined in the campaign and others.
The Banking for the Empire, is the prime weapon, and everything else they get their filthy hands on
The bombing of Serbia and the splitting off of the integral territories of Kosovo and Montenegro are the most ignoble deeds of the U.S. since World War II, even worse than its conduct in Ukraine.
Ignoble? The UK & US have been at unprovoked war against humanity for 300 and 200 years—war characterised by civilian massacre.
I believe we, the Serbs, often forget who are we dealing with and look at the West’s conduct with us as somehow being an exception to otherwise great civilization(s). Not just nowadays but during both WW. Sad surprise and disbelief of our intellectuals about our allies bombing us in WWII is very vividly recorded in Milutin Milankovic’s memoirs. That time they bombed, among other Serbian cities, Belgrade 11 times in total. First of the raids was on orthodox Easter of 1944, during two first days of that Easter 2000 civilians lost they lives. Bombing us, their-own allies, for our biggest (and for our culture central) Holy Day, that was no coincidence, that was a message, and the message they sent to us is actually a norm of how they treat “the others”. One would think that our experience alone should mark an end to our naive textbooks that just speak of them as bearers of the light, or at least bring tones of ‘Lucifer’ into it rather then that of ‘heroes of humanity’ (although one could argue that history shows that Lucifer is in fact a hero of humanity). All in all, they have centuries-long history of extinguishing peoples, we are but a mild chapter in that grim story.
Wow, what a great article. I learned a lot about how this destabilization racket is run. Thank you for writing such a detailed piece. Thank you Saker for publishing it.
You’re welcome Penelope. I’m glad people are finding it useful.
If you really want to know how such rackets are organized, pls read this interview from 1979 with the guy who did the first blatant coup d’état (Iran, 1953). It is fascinating – a chilling account – and shows just how easy it is to stir up trouble – the link to the interview is embedded in the article: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_moment_the_us_ended_irans_brief_experiment_in_democracy_20130819
The blueprint has been repeated countless times across the globe (although the Australian one in mid-70s was a bit more discreet). They don’t give a damn…
This sort of destabilization was to be expected as the Outlaw Empire tries to keep its #1 Terrorist status–everywhere on the periphery of the greater Eurasian heartland. However, it should be pointed out that Russia doesn’t need Turk or South Stream as its hydrocarbons can go South and East. Rather, both Turk and South Stream force the Outlaw Empire to reveal itself and its terrorists for it must keep the EU as a colony in order for it to remain solvent. Certainly no good choices other than killing all the terrorists.
The perpetrators are still an ‘unknown group’ …some say UCK (KLA), some say it’s the Guard of Republic of Ilirida, National Liberation Army, an Albanian group from Kosovo, or Serbia…
But no one says they were U.S directed, coordinated Goy haters leading organised crime. Albanians in Vienna quickly suppose they were KLA. What a surprise.
As a citizen of Macedonia, I can confirm that everything that’s written in this text about Macedonia is true, right to the last word! I’m very glad that finaly “word got out” on English, because all foreign media and peope on social media that “report” Macedonia, even the Balkan ones are blaspheming endlesly the opositions and Soros-funded-NGO’s narative, which of course has nothing to do with the reality.
On the topic of further attempts of destabilization, I hope it might be a while because the Macedonian police just neutralized probably the most-combat-ready team I assume the Americans had at their disposle. Half of the terorists are Albanians from Macedonia, half are from Kosovo and there was even one citizen of Germany (but ethnic Albanian). With them there was a large stash of weapons and amo and they were well nested in the area, it took the police 28 hours to neutralize them! And contrary to what was said, the helicopters used were used only for surveilance, they didn’t bomb the terorist probably because they barricated themselves in a heavily populated area where there were civilians in the vicinity of the houses where the action was taking place.
There’s going to be a big oposition rally this Sunday, on the 17-th, I wouldn’t be too surprised if “uknown snipers” start shooting at both sides.
Thank you for your comment. The only way to get an idea of what is going on is to either try to find sites like this one on the Internet or to talk to people on the spot. Not even the regional media here dares to report facts, and you can just imagine how the MSM will butcher this.
I’d like to see this thing not exploding further, but I’m not keeping my hopes high. If the goal was to just stop the gas pipe project – USA would do that without shooting. Even before the shooting started near Kumanovo, Serbia’s government already stared back-peddling on the Turk stream. Also, for the change of government and other internal business of FYROM there was no need for armed conflict, as the ‘Maidan’ infrastructure is already sufficient for the job.
So, I’d still wait before calling it over. We can’t tell yet how far this will go, but everything will become clear soon enough. And they have much more at their disposal than this group.
And isn’t is just cute how KFOR, EULEX and separate US forces along with two bases in the area (with Bondsteel being one of the biggest in EU) can’t spot movements of few platoon sized well armed terrorist groups that pass right under their nose, but they can, on the other side spot from space those Russians crossing border with Ukraine. :)
No, the “Maidan” structure is not enough, they know it and that’s why this has happened. The oposition leader Zoran Zaev is already a convicted criminal (for tax evasion and coruption) and the only reason he’s not in jail is because he was pardoned by the-then-president of the country Branko Crvenkovski (also his mentor). Macedonian people remember and know that very well (at least the ones that are not part of the “Maidan” movement, the ones that are members either pretend they don’t remember or are just brainwashed zombies).
We’ll have to see how the situation continues to develop. To me, it seems that the pipeline project will be discarded again (in it’s current form) regardless of the tremors.
If the clashes continue after the both Turk stream and current government are in the ‘trash bin’, then the marching orders were given for a goal bigger that that.
Thanks for the informative report. Obviously the ZPC/NWO goal is to set the Balkans on fire again in their attempt to isolate Russia and its allies.
“you will trace them back to CIA and Soros funded front groups, also.”
“mass media, run by the USA, NGOs (USAID, NED, Freedom House, Open Society Foundation….)”
When neocons and Soros are involved, that means involvement of a heavy zionazi element. Soros and the neocons are loyal to Israel, not the USA, even though they mostly use American muscle for their operations. This is much more than just the USA fomenting the conflict. And remember the USA doesn’t even run American media.
Who does run it. US Americans need to know so we can ask G-d to put them next to Hitler in Hell. Oh wait don’t forget the Vatican.
so we can ask G-d to put them next to Hitler in Hell.
Who is this “G-d”?
Here is your answer:
“The custom of substituting the word “God” with G-d in English is based on the traditional practice in Jewish law of giving God’s Hebrew name a high degree of respect and reverence. When written or printed, God’s Hebrew name (and many of the stand in names used to refer to God) cannot be erased or destroyed. There is no prohibition in Jewish law against writing out or erasing the word “God” in English.
However, many Jews have afforded the word “God” with the same level of respect as the Hebrew equivalents. Because of this, many Jews substitute “God with G-d so that they can erase or dispose of the writing without showing disrespect to God. Some Jews also use G!d in the same way, utilizing the exclamation point to convey their enthusiasm for Judaism and God.”
Remember that these acts of destabilization are not necessarily only directed towards Russia, in order to prevent any possibility of gaining a foothold in the Balkans. This certainly is on the table, but this is also ideal for USA to keep the whole Europe hostage. As much as this is a slap for Russia, it’s also a ‘pedagogical slap’ for the Western Europe.
Imagine the Uncle Sam all messy, sporting a wife beater with a beer bottle in one and a belt with a big buckle in other hand. (a white trash, trailer type of guy from the movies). Screaming on Europe, who is crying in the corner getting severely beaten: “I’d kill you before I let you go! B**CH!”
This is an excellent report. I am very cheered by the ability of the author to present the correct perspective on events as they happen, and my ability – as with the general readership here – to recognize immediately what is being said. This seems to me like a huge leap forward.
The author was even able in passing to quote a troll commenting on one of the articles cited. This is pretty sophisticated analysis. If the US has been studying the polite men in green, just so we on this side have been studying the trolls – who give us their enthusiastic presence with every important article here, seeking to break the focus. And so we see these new counter-memes at work in the media of the region: the concept of the false flag has finally been exposed to the surface consciousness, so now the US tries to co-opt it as its own disinformation meme.
I am very sad for everything happening. I’ve had a gut full of this crap from the west, frankly. And I’m appalled at the bloodthirstiness of the US and its Zionist controls. This all portends more massacres of the innocents, more blood sacrifice. But I must say I’m glad to see that the “information war” is being well fought – and I think, won – and by asymmetric means.
Thank you for reading and for your supportive words. I pieced it together on the evening and through the night of the 10th. In a hurry, as I felt it was urgent to get out with this.
You mentioned the disinformation campaign on every, even remotely, important article. Yes, of course, it’s not an accident that UK, USA, Israel and others are now openly recruiting people that will play down the importance of uncovering the campaigns of false flags and similar events sponsored by the said countries.
“And I’m appalled at the bloodthirstiness of the US and its Zionist controls” – it is crucial to see the cold and calculated approach they have in their ‘projects’. General population are ‘plagued’ by the compassion, love, understanding for others & other ‘useless’ human traits that the cabal that runs the show is free of. This is why many fail to see the underlying currents in these events. People often look at things through their own ‘lenses’ and (unintentionally) bring their bias into it.
As far as information warfare is concerned, I think we’re far from winning anything yet. The sole fact that we can still read this one and similar sites means that ‘the Empire’ didn’t use all means of combating us. There are very worrying suggestions on how to ‘combat Russian propaganda’ coming from some of the crazies on the West. Some called for stricter control of the Interned, some for banning outlets that propagate the ‘Kremlin narrative’. Remember how USA had a general rehearsal of this when they unplugged North Korea from the Internet for days So, if some new kind of ‘Patriot act’ passes, these things can start happening.In the meantime, we are still allowed to keep these small ‘oases of truth’. And I’m not sure that general population would mind if these things start happening, as long as they leave the entertainment industry intact. Now if they’d ban Kim K., reality shows & other ‘important’ stuff they would be in for a hell of a ride. ;)
Washington is putting Europe on fire. Let’s see how fast it will burn.
What does Putin want? A major analysis by Rostislav Ishchenko
“If the Ukraine catches fire, it will burn quickly, and if the EU has become an unreliable partner that is ready if not to move into Russia’s camp then at least to take a neutral position, Washington, faithful to its strategy, would be obliged to set fire to Europe.
It is clear that a series of civil and interstate wars on a continent packed with all sorts of weapons, where more than half a billion people live, is far worse than a civil war in the Ukraine. The Atlantic separates the United States from Europe. Even Britain could hope to sit it out across the Channel. But Russia and the EU share a very long border.
It is not at all in Russia’s interests to have a conflagration stretching from the Atlantic to the Carpathian Mountains when the territory from the Carpathians to the Dnieper is still smoldering. Therefore, Putin’s other objective is, to the extent possible, to prevent the most negative effects of a conflagration in the Ukraine and a conflagration in Europe. Because it is impossible to completely prevent such an outcome (if the United States wants to ignite the fire, it will), it is necessary to be able to extinguish it quickly to save what is most valuable.”
The Empire of Chaos keeps busy. It is a large employer of “Intelligence Personnel”, they must be kept busy, they must keep their imagination concocting all scenarios to maintain the standard of living of the elites and their minions, and their distance widening.
On April 16, 150 tons of diplomatic mail were delivered to the Empire’s Embassy in Bishkek, the country’s capital. A population of almost 6’000.000, landlocked, but bordering Kazakhstan to the north, Uzbekistan to the west, Tajikistan to the southwest and China to the east.
Mountainous and apparently with no strategic, except as a thorn on the side of the nacent Eurasian Union.
It has a valuable piece of \Real Estate, the Manas Air Base, whcih served as a transit point for the NATO coalition during the Afghan war. Returned to Kirghiz control after the lease ended and a Renewal was not agreed upon.
Already Kirghistan enjoyed a Colored Revolution, 2005 the Tulipan Revolution. How Romantic the NeoCons are, reflection of their LGBT inclinations?
A potential new member pf the Eurasian Union, President Almazbek Atambayev, leader of the Social Democratic Party, has shown predilection for Russia.
The 150 tons of Diplomatic Mail, in a corner of the world few people could find in a map, do not bode well, as the Summertime approaches.
Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, both bordering Afghanistan, have a predilection for the USA.
As the New Afghan President, has shown clear fear of the Taliban he asked for the generosity of the Empire to maintain its presence in the country, magnanimously they agreed.
Already in Afghanistn remains a large Mass of Military Equipment, ready to perform a mission.
An Axis Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan/ Kirghistan does create some worries both to China and Russia. The threat to Russia is obvious as this becomes a broad front to the Siberian Land, and all its resources. Kazakhstan is undergoing the usual Humanitarian Reeducation from the gallant West, still a weak link even as President Nursultan Nazarbayev was reelected even without campaigning, just a week ago, and sat to the Left of Putin in the Victory Parade.
For China, Kirghistan borders with its Xinjiang province, Birthplace of Chiang Kai -shek, and home to Separatist Islamists.
An attempt at a Putsch in Bizhkek is not far from reality. Ranked in the top 20 corrupt countries, it is an ideal candidate for democratization, of course they also commit human rights abuses, especially now that they have chosen closer collaboration with Russia, and its Armed Forces, since the election of President Atambayev.
Previously they were under the wings of the Bold Eagle, till June 2014.
Imaginative, how many hot spots can the hegemon control? How depraved, or morally bankrupt have they gotten. Well, that does not matter much to them, the point is to prevent the collapse of the House of Cards, and keep up with the Joneses.
The Silk Road probably will have a stage through this Republic, and Russian and Iranian pipelines can find their way to China and the Indian Subcontinent. through this space.
Not such an unimportant corner of the earth.
I am an Albanian and here my opinion:
You mentioned Koco Danaj as one of Albanian politicians that supports uniting all territories where Albanians live. He is part of a very small minority. His opinion is not the Albanian gov position on the issue.
The KLA members involved are ex KLA based on this article and some of them under investigation in Kosovo (http://www.top-channel.tv/lajme/artikull.php?id=298921)
I personally don’t see what Kosovo or Albania would gain from organizing or somehow encouraging such an act.
Small minority my arse. Almost every Albanian I ever met (and that means MANY, I come from ex-Yugoslavia) was a nazi and wanted the “greater albania”. Exceptions would be way below 10% of their population.
The rest is just nonsensical chatter for the press. Just like PR-statements of Merkel saying that she wants peace in Ukraine or such.
I met many Albanians with their families from Kosovo(part of ex Yugoslavia) in Tirana, Albania when they were escaping the ethnic cleansing war brought on them by Milosevic. I didn’t see the nazi’s that you mention.
I don’t want to go into the history of why all this is happening.
The only ethnic clensing that ever happened there was done by your very Albanians. Proof of that is over half a million serb refugees now in Serbia and elsewhere, with zero chances of return.
Needless to say, Albanians were never, ever “cleansed” nor anything such, that’s pure propaganda nonsense for the totally uninformed zombies. And it’s questionable if even the zombies will manage to swallow such a whopper of a lie.
Oh and please DO go into the history, tell us how Albanians were mere 15% of Kosovo beginning of 20th century. Tell us how they still fought for the Nazis in 1948. Tell us about all those many thousands of albanians from Albania who just crossed the border and declared themselves “Kosovars” illegaly. Even today half of them can’t prove the citizenship. Tell us all about that.
Needless to say you omitted to comment on language issues above, which *is* actual history. The term you heard about only from a dictionary, obviously.
Here is an article that summarizes the history leaving out how kosovo was given to serbia in 1912-1913.
Can you please provide some info on the demographic composition of Kosovo at the beginning of the 20th century. Some sources please since what you are stating composition.
This book: Istorija i geografija: susreti i prožimanja: History and geography: meetings
Which looks to be very pro Serb has
Albanians : 50%
Bulgarian Christians : 30%
Serbs : 13%
The Turks give other stats:
Albanins at 70% info from the same book.
As for fighting for the Nazis, It is true there were kosovar groups who joined nazis.
And there were antikomunist organizations in Albania fighting the komunists.
The fear was that the Albanian komunist party being setup by Serbian komunist party would betray Kosovo and leave Kosovo out. This indeed happened. The Albanian partizan brigades withdrew from Kosovo on orders of Albanian komunist party at the end of the war.
Sorry but Turks never had stats about ethnicity, only religion. Half of those 70% “muslims” in their archives were Serbs.
Look in serbian wiki under “Demografija kosova i Metohije”, there you have the historic development with all the available numbers from different sources.
Yes the first statistic was taken from there so it should be correct right?
Again: 70% moslems, NOT Albanians. Of those 70% about half were Serbs.
Also take a look at that table on the right there, there you can see how the percentages developed and that just a mere century ago, Serbs were the majority there.
Thus, this is simply conquest via extreme and deliberate demographic growth, as already said. Nothing historic or heritage-related about that, the same can happen to London tomorrow. Or to Berlin with Turks. Did you ever see Turks screaming for a turkish state in Germany and starting a war against germans in order to achieve that? Sounds quite crazy, but that is exactly what your albanian friends did in Kosovo and are now again trying to do in Macedonia and maybe later also in Greece.
I see your point but my question is what is the solution to the change in demographic?
That is a natural process. Don’t forget that the Serbs came to these lands as well.
Hi Lorenc. Koco Danaj might not be one of the most popular figures out there, but he is not alone in his statements. Others with much larger following gave similar statements.
President of the Municipality Bujanovac, Jonuz Musliu, recently said (for Tanjug) that Serbia should allow her southern municipalities to join Kosovo, and also to give KLA fighters a veteran status and all benefits that goes with it.
While the Albanian Prime Minister, Edi Rama said for Sky News Arabia (on April 14th 2015.) that Kosovo and Albania will be united one way or another.
As reported by Sputnik http://rs.sputniknews.com/srbija/20150417/1334722.html
Rama, on the other hand, has a very big support and is easily one of the most popular Albanian politicians currently. And I didn’t see people protesting because of his statements of territorial expansion. On the contrary, in his visit to Serbia he was greeted by the thrilled masses that waved the map of the Greater Albania (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7f9FcUZZw )
And, in general, I never had impression that Albanian population in the region does not approve of territorial expansion, quite the opposite actually.
“But let’s first establish this – regardless of which one of these groups (or more of them) are responsible – Without Americans giving an ‘OK’ no Albanian armed group would lift a finger.”
The US made the Cubana Airlines bombing possible by arming and financing Cuban terrorist groups.
The US made the break-up of Yugoslavia possible, by crushing its economy and setting the constituent republics in conflict.
The US made the Kosovo insurrection possible, with the 1992 Christmas Message of George Bush I.
However, the US did not order the above events. Not all coups or insurrections occur at US orders.
Searching for the the secret US objective in an event, before studying the situation, may leads us astray from reality.
The US has a past of “making things possible” without “actually” doing them.If a mafia Don says to his henchmen “Franco bothers me,I wish he didn’t any more” and Franco turns up dead.But the Don didn’t “exactly” order the “hit”,is he to blame or not.I would say he was,but maybe that’s just me. The US plotted with, and funded the fascist nationalists in Ukraine for years.And it was the fascists that actually staged the coup there.So is the US guilty for the coup,I say yes.When you sponsor an evil force.And that force commits evil deeds.Then yes,you are responsible for those evil deeds.
It is the “US” as the foreign policy is completely in the hands of the jew lobby: ergo, “da US” is a front for jewish interests. Just as human rights was, just diversity, feminism, gay and black rights and all the subsequent pc products of the Frankfurt school are.
The US as a sovereign entity, or as a “peoples” does not excist. It is a front, an image, an illusion.
Go tell that to all those dupes at rense and other similar Nazi-infestation. I was in Bosnia during the war and the Israeli were the only country that actively helped us fight the UK/US-made jihadists there.
Of course you don’t know that your “Jews” are none such, but non-semitic fake british stooges and Vatican’s jesuits. But hey, why would we bother with such stupid facts.
Simply put, take that stupid propaganda back where it came from (your a** obviously).
Interesting. Can you explain how Israel helped Republika Srpska?
Weapons for example.
Can you name any Israeli fighters or provide any proof of weapons or aid to Serbs?
I’ve read that only a small number of Greeks and Russians fought with Serbs (their total was only 200).
But Russian arms merchants were also selling huge amounts of weapons to the Bosnian Muslims through Slovenia, and there was Croatian island receiving regular shipments of Russian weapons as well.
Of course I can not provide proof, you hopefully don’t expect that I was all over the country, waiting for the trucks and the people with a camera ready. I can only tell you what I know first-hand. We got guns and intelligence from Israel.
Which is understandable, since the jihadists (both domestic and those imported from Afghanistan etc. by the US airforce) were trained by turkish and iranian instructors.
Russia was a mess back then under Yeltsin and of course there was zero support from that level. There were some volunteers from different countries including Russia, but those were rather few as you correctly said.
There were also some criminal gangs who volunteered just so they can steal and plunder, especially some groups from Serbia (Arkan’s gang etc.) or some released criminals (cannon fodder for the frontlines). These were also rather few and totally independent and detached from any regular army.
Case 1: Salvatore, capo di tutti capi, talking to Luigi, says “Franco bothers me.” Franco disappears.
Case 2: Franco tries to sell some coke on Luigi’s street and disappears.
The creator of the organization, Salvatore, is morally responsible in both situations. However, in Case 2, it would be a waste of our time to try to find the reason why Salvatore wanted to have Luigi killed.
Criminals in an organization may have personal arguments.
Matt, Albanians don’t do anything without an approval/order from the US. Just look how Stoltenberg called them, ‘armed men’.
I agree! Responsibility is everyday, lifelong fact. Let us face it.
The gas wars have resumed.Macedonia is the new battlefield. Yankisthan intends fighting a proxy war for sabotaging the Blue stream gas pipeline to Europe and triggering another coloured revolution. Is EFU Victoria Nuland visible somewhere in Macedonia doing a tango ?
Yes, as a rus/hun nazi I can tell you: the whole area is a smoldering pile of lovingly mismanaged human, ideologic religious and economic mess, from WWI on(Versailles/Trianon).
You see, diversity is our strenght…:)
ANYPLACE you blow on it, you get flames in return.
Do not place ANY faith in Hungary for instance. Orban will – in the end – and despite some gestures, bow to the chosenites, he is a Soros(jew from Hun) protege, spent time in Oxford on a Soros scholarship way back when.
Then there are the territorial issues.
There is Transparpathia for instance. Hungarian nationals and even distant observers realise our claim. What does the Orban regim do? With my own eyes I’ve seen obsolete T-72s on trailers on the border with slovakia(another gift of the Antant) heading to guess where @ the beginning to the festivities in Novorussia.
Take a look @ a map “Hungary before and after Trianon” and ask Yourself how easy would it be to ignite that kindling…
But back to Macedonia, yeah, it seems, the prognosys is for a long, hot summer…
I will have to dissagree with you on an important point.
It did not start with WWI, it didnt start with the Balkan Wars(1912-1913). This is all(can you imagine almost two centuries later, and I mean the start of the process) a direct chain of consequences from the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, as by the way are to a large extent the events of the middle east. The stage was set by the death of one empire and resulted in the death of three more.
Probably every single country in the region is very easy to destabilize for the US. Reading yesterday the excelent article about the exceptionalists and integrationalists I couldn’t help but think about it: this whole region is inder double pronged attack(or maybe i should say – “threat of attack” ) by two of the heads of the Cerberus. Namely the US and Saudi Arabia at present. The US has a huge base in Kosovo, no less than three bases in my native Bulgaria and probably more in the region(for example Romania has been one of the most faithful vassals of the US and if I remember right they hosted one of the CIA torture prisons). Saudi Arabia on the other hand is heavily sponsoring Wahabi proliferation in the region. Among the muslims in the former Yugoslavia and although it didn’t make headlines anywhere outside our country among Gypsies and muslims in Bulgaria’s south. This in our case is noteworthy since Gypsies are the ethnic group that has by far the largest population expansion in the country. This is result of both their culture and by IMO deliberat government policies over the last 25 years.
Hence the Cerberus is grabbing (excuse me for the rude expression) a huge proportion of the states in the region by the b**ls. The remainder(for example Greece) are under threat by proxy.
It’s a sad thing to say but none of these governments should be expected to exhibit large degree of sovereignity(at least with success).
To recap it: this region is second only to the middle east in terms of how easy it is to destabilize it. It’s just the opening of the new front in the Grand War. And all of us in the region should brace ourselves, because our governments will not help us.
Cheers and kind regards
Great artical and very good informative Posts !!
Someone please correct me if I am wrong – but was I dreaming (nightmare) that I saw an artical Re Victoria Nuland in Macedonia recently ??
Thank you NZ. Yes, Vicky was there, indeed; to encourage the noble pro-western current and give them a pat on the back..
war is getting closer and closer to western Europe ! in Brussel next year ?
the european politicians are just evil or completely stupid ? 70 years ago, once again ???
things always seem to go in threes – WWIII
Geoffrey – belgium
First and foremost i would like to point out that albanians in the whole region for the last century were always the weakest and suffered the most. Thats a fact. Second, Albanians consist 40-45% of the Mace. Population. Which means that they should have their language spoken in the state institutions and etc.For example in this city Kumanovo,not even their basic or should i say human rights are not respected( alb. are not allowed to practise their religion, their language is not spoken in the state institutions, macr. Police officer constantly abuse albanians in general, alba. Women have to be accompanied by some men, otherwise are unsafe and etc.) I can see saker that you are smart and pretty neutral in your articles/analysis so i think that you would agree that Albanians at least deserve this basic human rights, and if the Mace. State is not to give them, I think their right is to vote on referendum, whether they should still hold on to current state or they want to go with their ethnic brothers in albania, or the third option to go on their own and become an independent state as Montenegro in 2006 for example. Let them go to the polls. As for the USA interference in the balkans in general i do not approve, since it only wants that they serve that Zionist regime which has occupied whole western world, including Turkey. I am personally chanting for Vlad. Putin and Iran, since putin has probably strongest military in the world, but he has to be less dependent whether he sales oil/gas to europe or not. Salute
So you want Albanians to go back to the old Yugoslavia?
Because that’s when Albanian was an official language, with albanian speaking TV and press, with the language being used in schools and universities and on and on.
Oh wait, but then why did they… ahhh, nevermind. Let’s all go back to sleep and swallow some heart-breaking propaganda about the “oppressed weak minority”. That somehow became the total mojoritxy, while expelling some half a million Serbs from their homeland.
Really, how crazy can the stupid propaganda get? Do you really think all readers here are totally uninformed, brain-dead zombies? I mean REALLY?
… although I will give you one point: they were and still are the weakest. Despite all the foreign support ever since Mussolini, then Hitler, now UK/US.
In Yugoslavia, the republics were almost sovereign, and Serbia did extend local sovereignty to Kosovo. Albanians run the place and–to the loss of everyone–created Albanian schools and even a Shquiptar university, resulting in Albanology degrees and general unemployment and dissatisfaction.
In Macedonia things were very different, and there certainly was a degree of oppression of Albanians, which got worse with independence and VMRO.
News in albanian came on serbian channel 1 (Belgrade based) right after the news in serbian and hungarian. You could study in Albanian (and other 24 languages) anywhere in Yugoslavia, while nine languages could be used in the administration. Been like that ever since WW2, until the destruction of Yugoslavia.
I think what you are describing is the Tito period up to 1948 or so If I am not wrong.
Milošević stripped Kosovo of its autonomy, and Serbia took direct control of the province’s administration. After the province’s ethnic Albanians staged violent protests over these measures, Milošević sent Yugoslav military units to Kosovo in 1990, dissolved the province’s assembly, and closed schools teaching in the Albanian language.
Everything here is a LIE. Albanians in Macedonia HAVE the rights to practice their own religion, their language is not spoken in institutions in Kumanovo because they are a minority, they have municipalities near by where they do speak to instituons on their own language, they even have their own mayors and municipality councils! A small part of the albanian minority in MKD which you say are conctantly harrased by the police are harrased because they are criminals, normal citizens don’t get harrased!!! Women have to be accompanied by men is because they are muslims and they are practicing their religion, it has nothing to do with streets not being safe for albanian women.
Go spill your propaganda somewhere else!!!
Disgusting, but expected: TANJUG, nominally Serbian state news agency, actually a speaker of the truth sanctioned by the Rulers, speaks of Kumanovo as TRAGEDY in which, if those in power had properly conducted themselves, the number of victims could have been lesser, and among the VICTIMS both the police offers and the KLA (UCK) aggressors were listed (http://www.nspm.rs/hronika/stalni-izvestilac-ep-za-makedoniju-ivo-vajgl-kumanovo-je-vrh-ledenog-brega.html).
CNN is careful to put terrorist in quotation-mark when writing about it and saying “clashes with ethnic Albanians” when speaking about it (first time adding “which police calls terrorists”):
No imagination is needed to suppose what kind of hell would broke loose if someone would use the same (relative point of view) standard to portray the Paris-Charlie incident.
Yes, I was too disgusted by the reports from Serbian side. (not surprised, just disgusted)
When the terrorists are US backed, they are “freedom fighters”, “the oppressed minority”, unknown armed men, democracy- supporters, ethnic minority and so on…
This is why I said to pay attention to narrative in the western media as it will tell much more is you ‘read between the lines’.
lots going on in Moldova too?
“protesters say the crowd was as large as 50,000. The Civil Platform that organized the rally – Dignity and Truth – has no career politicians on the list of its members. It was founded by political scientists, lawyers, journalists and authors. The new reality has had a stunning effect on the authorities: none of the leaders of the ruling Alliance for European Moldova has dared comment in public on the demands addressed to the authorities.
“The government’s position is unenviable: the country is deep in a social and economic crisis, embezzlement of budget funds make it still worse, and farming has been in ruins after the loss of markets in the Customs Union countries and the introduction of EU import quotas,” the chief of the Trans-Dniestria and Moldova department of the CIS Studies Institute, Sergey Lavrenov, told TASS. “Against this background anti-government demonstrations organized by pro-Romanian forces have lasted since the beginning of April. They have been trying to take advantage of the critical situation to prove Moldova is a failed state and that unification with Romania would be the sole way out….. “All these are rather alarming symptoms for Moldova’s newly-formed government. I do not believe, though, that there is a risk of a parliamentary crisis in the near future. After all, the elections were held just several months ago. But if economic problems continue to snowball, an unpredictable turn of events is a possibility,” Bespalov said.”
The disclaimer in the begining of the article leaves out of the article a crucial point that should be in the report.
This is not about the dispute with Hellas, but about the internal dispute in FYROM about the name.
Do the Albanians want to be called Macedonians?
These are the friuts of Gruevsky megalomania, which have brought the game in a new level…
Nice Site Saker. Good job.
What logic is that? So any minority in any country should refuse that country and require their own, ethnically clean territory? Shall we say the same about all the 20+ minorities in Macedonia?
Would you require the same logic for London or NYC? How many minority groups do we have there? How long till the Albanians there want to make the Albanian London, or Vienna etc.?
Needless to say, that is their main modus operandi for conquest – via demographic growth. as witnessed in Kosovo, where they were a little minority just a few decades ago. They only became a majority after 3-4 generations, thanks to their families having 7-8 kids on average and by continuous illegal immigration from Albania.
Indeed, President Dobrica Ćosić tried to divide Kosovo, but was blocked by the US/UK.
Still possible to save Macedonia by federalizing or dividing it. If they wait too long, the Slavs will be a minority.
Federalize what exactly? Macedonia itself was just a state, there is no further division there.
Well except for the newly invented artificial division which you would like to sell here. That’s total nonsense, sorry. Following that logic, every minority in every country should require their own “state” and some artificial “federalization”.
By the way, the old Yugoslavia was a federal state. If that’s what Albanians truly wanted, they should have just stayed there and leave it as-is. But as we all know, that’s all just empty rhetoric from some PR-agency in the west.
So you impose upon all of them something that is foreign?
That is the solution?
You cannot say the same about the 20+minorities in macedonia.
You can say it only for the ones that are “urged” to…
The empire’s plan is to block Turk Stream and to occupy the balkans. Another long war in the making.
S.P. wonderful article! Flawlessly written.
Thank you Saker for allowing me to read it.
Commenters know,you made my day. For that, have a great thank you. It is indeed an honor and a privilege to know you.
Thank you Dragan!
It’s just a tip of the iceberg of all the developments in the Balkans, but I believe I touched on majority of important topics regarding the current events.
This action in Macedonia is related to Greeks desire to join the Turkish Stream. This russo-turkish pipeline project is an alternative to “South Stream”, which has been blocked by Bulgaria recently. With Syriza looking for any option available as Athens is broke, they jumped on the opportunity and agreed to joined Putin’s proposal. Of course, the Kremlin knows what it is up to : linking the “Turkish Stream” to Serbia, Hungary, Austria and Italy. But to do that, you need to cross a certain country. yes, you got it : Macedonia.
If Russia could manage to get through Macedonia, the US attempt to stop Euro-Russian cooperation would fail in an epic fashion. That’s why they’re working on a non conventional war in macedonia through their Albanians/Kosovo assets, Kosovo being one of the biggest US base in Europe (Camp Bonsteel). It’s a Nato protectorate, a fiction state, and a truly albanian drug lords territory under the CIA supervision. It’s from there this group came from.
I made an article about it here :
Unfortunately it’s in french.
if some are interested, i also made a very well documented video on the subversive war that NATO is waging in France currently (Charlie Hebdo, and such), and it is deeply linked to Ukraine and Euro-Russian relationships (continental war to keep EU under US influence).
Would worth to be translated in my opinion. France being a nuclear state and a UN Security Council member, her position is very important for NATO to secure. So here we go :
America supports Kosovo.
America supports Chaos and Kosovo
“KLA is, of course, another bastard child of the American Empire.”
KLA represented the interests of the majority of the people in Kosovo during the war.
It was organized to defend the population against the Serbian army offensive.
I consider it at the same level as the Donbas’s army.
If you are true to your principles then you can not support the war in Donbas against the occupation from the Kiev junta but be against it in another part of the world (Kosovo). Serbian nationalist did the same or worse to the Albanian population in Kosovo as the azov nazi batalion did to russian population in Donbas.
It is difficult to apply the principles to your brother but that is the way it should be.
Otherwise how are you different from the anglo-zionists?
They too support freedom and democracy when it suits them and of the type they want.
Next time you hear: diversity is our strenght, just smile and and muse abit about the real price of ethnic cuisine and those wonderful, cultural strangers wondering about our streets…
I have sympathy for any minority that feels the need to separate from a state, on one condition: said minority cannot show murderous intent toward other minorities. If they do, the best solution is to divide the land by force, in a way that is advantageous.
In Kosovo, Dobrica Ćosić division plan was blocked by the West–they wanted war.
There was no “Serbian army offensive” to defend against. The UCK was organised to terrorise and kill Serbs, Croats, Gypsies, Ashkaelia. Even Muslims, such as Gorani, Circassians, and Turks were killed or discriminated against.
The problem with your statement, Lorenc, is that KLA shares the same values & political views as the Ukronazis in Kiev.
Serbia is still the most multi-ethnic country in the region.
Lorenc: last time I checked the Novorussians were not listed as terrorists, they never trafficked in human organs, they did not murder civilians, they were not involved in drugs or prostitution, they did not get the support of the AngloZionists nor did the USAF bomb their enemies for over a month. In contrast, *IF* the KLA did represent the majority of Kosovo Albanians, then SHAME on the Kosovo Albanians. It is that simple, really. As for comparing the Serbian cops to Azov – I cannot prove a negative, but I do *KNOW* for a fact that the so-called Racak massacre was a false flag and that the mass movement of Kosovo Albanians was the result of USAF bombings, not some Serb terror.
If you are true to your principles (…) It is difficult to apply the principles to your brother but that is the way it should be. Otherwise how are you different from the anglo-zionists?
Pal, before lecturing me on my possible hypocrisy, you might want to take the time to actually study the events you are talking about (and I don’t mean to regurgitate the nonsense of Time Mag or Newsweek). If you do that, you will realize that all your parallels are deeply flawed. Yes, I do support minority rights, and I have nothing good to say about those atrocities in which Serbs were *truly* involved, but the case of Kosovo the only minority deserving my sympathy are the Serbs, the Roms, etc, and any Albanian NOT supportive of, or involved with, the KLA.
Matt is 100% correct when he writes: The UCK was organised to terrorise and kill Serbs, Croats, Gypsies, Ashkaelia. Even Muslims, such as Gorani, Circassians, and Turks were killed or discriminated against.
I want to precise that the Turks were not killed for being Turks, but felt discrimination when they spoke Turkish–and that would have been unthinkable when Kosovo was Serbian.
Gorani were killed for being Gorani. When Circassians and Croats began to be targeted, they migrated en masse. It is very hard to make people leave their land and homes, without terror.
The problem is that the NATO regimes that financed the show, knew all this; they even knew of the crematorium that the UCK used n Kletcka, to dispose of bodies. And when NATO arrived, it allowed the burning of an entire Gypsy town. To me, the behaviour of the civilised Western nations was more horrifying than the crimes of the primitive UCK boys.
Here Matt, there is a picture of the Kosovo Albanians crossing the border with Albania.
I have seen many of these pictures at the time since I worked for the Albanian News Agency (ATA) at the time of the conflict.
Thanks, very interesting, I did not know that the UCK locked up, tortured, and killed Kosovo refugees in Albania.
I am posting what I deem to be true and not hiding anything.
How about admitting to the decades long torturing and killing of Kosovo Albanians at the hands of the Serb security, military and police. I have seen the videos filmed by the Kosovo Albanians.
How about admitting that the displacement of the families was the result of the Serbian military operations?
I don’t condone retribution but the need for protection of the Kosovo Albanians from Serbs was real then.
As far as I know Serbs never publicly apologized for the killing of the civilians. If they have and I have not seen it then show me and I stand corrected.
You lie. The Albanian population was steady or RISING while a part of Serbia. And it was Albanians who were pressuring Serbs out for decades.
Milosevic’s speech was in regards to the Albanian police in Kosovo BEATING Serbs.
The New York Times even ran a piece in the early 1980’s which spoke of Albanian terror driving Serbs out.
Also an Albanian conscript murdered several “Yugoslav” soldiers (mostly non-Serbs) while they were sleeping in their barracks.
A Kosovo Roma told of how when the Albanians were in control, that anyone non-Albanian was out of luck: that Albanians would even put their 12-year-olds on the job so a non-Albanian wouldn’t have one.
And the run-out of Albanians was ORDERED by the KLA in coordination with the bombing. A German journalist embedded with the KLA witnessed it:
Testimony from Franz Josef Hutsch, German reporter:
“Hutsch testified that in the course of the Rambouillet talks in February and March 1999, KLA leaders he was in contact with expected NATO to intervene and were stepping up their logistic preparations for war, bringing in supplies of new weapons and military equipment, deploying their forces, and defining their key objectives. Hutsch claims there was even a “priority list of villages to be evacuated” which were in fact evacuated when air strikes began on 24 March 1999. The witness mentioned several Albanian villages in the area between Orahovac and Suva Reka that were evacuated on KLA orders.”
So Albanians had pre-planned to evacuate villages even before the strikes started.
Testimony of Hutch:
“Addressing the witness’s oft-repeated statement that the KLA provoked disproportionate attacks by Serbian forces, Prosecutor Geoffrey Nice asked if another way to view it was that ‘Serbs used relatively small acts [by the KLA] to bring huge suffering to [nearby] villages.’ Hutsch replied that he had a problem with calling the killing of a Serb policeman a ‘small act’ but would otherwise agree.”
“Indeed, he testified that the VJ, MUP and paramilitaries worked together in operations in Kosovo. He blamed both the VJ and MUP for using Kosovar Albanian civilians as human shields, by billeting troops and military equipment in the lower stories of houses occupied by civilians. ”
“As for paramilitaries, he told of an interview with Zelko Raznjatovic ‘Arkan’ in which Arkan said he had been ‘dumped’ by Milosevic because he knew too much. According to the warlord, Franko Simatovic (Frenki) replaced him in overall command of paramilitaries in Kosovo. Arkan also told him that everything he did he did under the command of the Serbian Army and Milosevic. Hutsch said he was unable to verify Arkan’s statement so could not say whether it was 100% clear that instructions to use paramilitaries came from Milosevic or from the paramilitary leaders themselves. Arkan was assassinated in a Belgrade hotel after the war.”
“However, Hutsch added, there were Albanian villages that were emptied after they were attacked by Serb security forces; according to him, “there was a mixed picture.” ”
I have cherry picked the statements but I have listed the sources.
But his claim that villages emptied after attacks was often due to the Serbs going after the KLA and the Albanians just leaving the chaos. He doesn’t seem to have an details and specifics like he did in regard to actually seeing the lists the KLA made.
Also, there’s more of his testimony elsewhere and he tells of the KLA using satellite phones and actually telling and directing the Albanian population where to go.
Also, the KLA kept some of the refugees in camps in Albania and Macedonia and radicalized them.
Further, the Albanians didn’t have any injuries when they left Kosovo: Macedonian doctors testified that they were uninjured and they didn’t need hospital treatment or anything.
The injuries came later, while they were staying in the camps: people cut their fingers opening a can, there was some rapes by Albanian men on a Roma women, etc.
“But his claim that villages emptied after attacks was often due to the Serbs going after the KLA”
A war crimes court in Serbia sentenced the ex-members of the so-called Jackals unit to up to 20 years in prison.
“Serb forces rounded up the residents and, after separating women and children from men, locked the male villagers into houses, where they were shot and set on fire.
“[The nine] committed murders, rapes and robberies in an extremely brutal way, with the main goal to spread fear among Albanian civilians in order to force them to leave their homes and flee to Albania,” judge Snezana Nikolic Garotic said in her verdict.”
I can back up my sources too, and name those I mentioned.
The Kosovo Roma who described a bit what it was like in Kosovo when Albanians dominated is named Sani Rifati.
Here is part of his interview:
“It was heartbreaking when the Albanians took control, as they began separatism and hired any Albanian – even 12 year old children – to do the work, including adult jobs, because of their Albanian nationality. Anyone not Albanian was out of luck.”
Lorenc did not lie about the refugees. He saw the photos of refugees columns snaking across the hills. He remembers it was March 1999. He just does not remember the exact date.
It was not March 20, 21, or 22. On March 23, as the OSCE crews were loading up their humvees at the Pristina Grand Hotel, Albanian and Serb families crowded the last trains for Belgrade. Yes, Albanians were trying to escape to Belgrade for safety from NATO attack.
As the bombing started, the refugee columns were stage-managed, to give an ex post facto excuse to the murderous humanitarian warriors in Brussels.
Then came the vile imaginary tales: the Pristina stadium was being used as concentration camp, 100,000 Albanians were missing, a rape camps had been established in Djakovica–that was from Foreign Secretary Robin Cook. Everyone believed it all, it was a magnificently successful fraud. It was so successful because they controlled all media. Not one voice of dissent was allowed.
I did not intend to offend you. I apologize if it came that way.
I the spirit of open discussion though I disagree with your statements.
Organ trafficking: As far as I know there were allegations but no proof was provided.
If it is ever proved that it happened. I hope the persons responsible regardless of position rot in jail.
In regard to wrong parallels:
In 1974, Kosovo’s status as an autonomous province.
Milošević stripped Kosovo of its autonomy, and Serbia took direct control of the province’s administration. After the province’s ethnic Albanians staged violent protests over these measures, Milošević sent Yugoslav military units to Kosovo in 1990, dissolved the province’s assembly, and closed schools teaching in the Albanian language.
Albanians, faced with the Belgrade government’s evident willingness to use military force against them, adopted a course of passive, nonviolent resistance to Serbian control. Under the leadership of the pacifist Ibrahim Rugova, they organized their own network of Albanian-language schools and other civil institutions.
The Kosovar Albanians became increasingly frustrated by the failure of their noncooperation campaign to win for them independence or even autonomy from the Serb-dominated Yugoslav government. Though most Albanians remained committed to nonviolence, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a small ethnic Albanian guerrilla organization that emerged in 1996 etc etc.
In my own case, I will not complain too much if my heart is harvested–let someone else use my old heart, if I get killed. The problem is that NATO countries ordered, financed, or tolerated the murder of thousands of minority people in Kosovo. They entered Kosovo, under an agreement they refused to uphold.
After the war, the organ harvesting program remained hidden until when prosecutor Carla del Ponte spilled the beans. The ICTY investigation was dishonest, and the evidence collected was “lost”. It was a conspiracy to save the NATO from embarrassment, for supervising mass terror, ethnic cleansing, and mass murder.
This was an interesting item. I half expected it would be the way you describe. Quite scary.
There’s a whole thread about this on this Russian military forum:
Hope that helps.
Wayne Madsen certainly know what’s going in the region – and i must agree….It looks like something we’ve seen before.
-The diabolical plan to destabilize Macedonia by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, the U.S. ambassador to Macedonia Jess Baily, and Macedonian «social democratic» opposition leaders Zoran Zaev and Branko Crvenkovski – who could be called the «Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Petro Poroshenko of Macedonia» – has entered a critical phase with members of the supposedly disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) increasing their terrorist border incursions on Macedonian territory from Kosovo.-
Read more here – The Color Revolution in Macedonia Is Underway:http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/05/12/the-color-revolution-in-macedonia-is-underway.html
Thanks for this excellent overview S.P.
This indicates a ‘regime change’ is on the cards, because the current gov is not sufficiently ‘our’ s.o.b. as far as US-rael is concerned:
The conflict and its sources are not being ignored in the real media:
Macedonian Conflict: ‘Greater Albania’ Used by West to Destabilize Balkans
The Global Energy Game
Just why western powers would want to leave the option of ‘Greater Albania’ open and further destabilize countries in the Balkans is down to greater geopolitical games, analysts say.
Dusan Prorokovic, an expert in Balkan affairs told Sputnik that the recent trouble in Macedonia has been stirred up to try and prevent the creation of the proposed ‘Turkish stream’ project, which plans to transport Russian gas to Europe via Turkey and the Balkans.
“The concept of Greater Albania is once again relevant but it won’t see any progress without the help of the North Atlantic bloc. I think why all of that happened is more linked to the “Turkish stream” and the defeat of the US in Ukraine, than to local Albanian interests.”
Andrew Korybko agrees, saying:
“Greater Albania is a geopolitical tool to be deployed in stopping not only Russia’s Balkan Stream pipeline [northern extension of the Turkish stream] but also China’s Balkan Silk Road.”
Note that further down in the article, Sputnik quotes a western source claiming the conflict was created by the Macedonian government to cover up its own internal problems. That tells me that this “the guv did it all” explanation is the usual western smokescreen created in order to cover their stirring up conflict (using their usual terrorists groups) in Macedonia, and the speaker quoted, Dr James Ker-Lindsay, is one of the usual ZPC/NWO propaganda tools.
I’m glad you mentioned China. We saw an article a few months back – can’t remember, but I think from Joaquin Flores – showing how China has vast ambitions for development in the Baltics. These are ambitions that require peace and co-prosperity between all the wounded nations with their simmering grievances. This would be a good thing, of course, and yet unlikely without the vast funding of China, which could conceivably engineer such a thing.
The point is that as you show, Macedonia is more than the Turk Stream, it’s also the Silk Road. So on the one hand we have Gladio thugs and a long-standing, relatively sophisticated infrastructure of propaganda – but one which has now been seen and is being skillfully fought against as every day passes. On the other hand, this force of hubris and violent destructive blood-lust has also directly challenged both Russia and China, in fairly equal measure. I’m not betting on the US winning this one.
Will be very better if someone organize and make a short and precise news from all this long report…
Will be very better if someone organize and make a short and precise news from all this long report…
You mean so people with zio-television induced sound bite attention deficit disorder will be able to understand it?
I’ll take a shot:
Albanian terrorists are thrown across the border to Macedonia by the Christians In Action aka mossad in Langley in order to ignite the next series of civil wars across the Balkans, in order to paralyse the South Stream project and receive collateral benefits all across their spheres of influence.
Will that do…:)
Actually Nikolai Starikov has a short version of what’s happening and why, translated at Fort Russ: Macedonia – the next hot spot after Ukraine?
I just left a note over there about this article. Starikov gives the what and why, this article is showing the HOW as well, in an unprecedented (to me) narrative of how the Gladio-Nuland campaigns are executed.
Lorenc commented on the issue of organ harvesting by the UCK, under NATO protection: “As far as I know there were allegations but no proof was provided.”
OK, so they say I murdered Jack at my farmhouse. Jack’s gone, together with 2000 acquaintances of mine and my buddies. The police visit; they want to check out the little cemetery next door, but my buddies ask them to go away; they leave. Police find blood stains on the walls, and take samples. The police lab does not do DNA tests, but they file the samples together with the bloody knife and some ammo found in my basement. “Someone” throws away the file.
The witnesses who saw Jack at my house have accidents, get shot, commit suicide in the park. My excellent business relationship with the Interior Ministry continues.
Fair conclusions: there is not enough evidence to convict me, there is enough evidence to hang the police chief, in this case the ICTY, financed by NATO countries. It’s clear: they are protecting a murderous criminal gang, and this republic is a murderous kleptocracy
While the subject is gangsterism, I might add that there is enough evidence that prominent journalist Nikola Mladenov did not have an accident; he was murdered in Skoplje in 2013, and the VMRO regime faked the investigation–nema problema.
The investigation continues and is directed from Brussels and witnesses are being given immunity.
The acts supposedly happened in Albania. If EU pursues this issue no one in Albania will stand in their way, Politician, gang or whatnot.
A special war-crimes tribunal was going to be setup this year to investigate this issue. This is the place for the accusing party to press their case.
“this republic is a murderous kleptocracy”
This is a wrong generalization.
We could not put Arkan in one of these tribunals since he was killed in Belgrade.
Milosevic was accused but died before being sentenced.
If I follow your logic what can I say about the Serb Republic?
I have read all your comments and I am not serbian, nor do I care about the politics in the region. The only thing for me though. I saw a girl with both the albanian flag and an american flag. I find that very reprehensible.
That is the thing about american flags, they have come to represent everything wrong with this planet. So, you stand there defending albanians? Why are they walking around with american flags? There is no excuse for that. Sorry mate.
The Albanians wouldn’t start none of this without Washington’s approval.
This video comes a little late to this article, but nevertheless – it’s a great addition. :)
US & Albanian flags grace UCK memorial:
Well, I think the things will get from complicated to real mess-up! COSCO is mulling the brand new fast railroad from their freshly acquired port in Solun… Last couple of months they’re increasingly negotiating the deal between the Grease, Macedonia and Servia!
Grease and Servia..
Freudian slip ?