STATEMENT BY THE FOREIGN MINISTRY OF RUSSIA
August 11, 2016
Russia has now taken action to dismantle the Ukrainian Defence Ministry Chief Intelligence Directorate’s network of agents in Crimea and have detained Ukrainian and Russian citizens who aided in the preparation of these terrorist attacks. The detained individuals include Yevgeny Panov and Andrey Zakhtey. All of them have admitted their involvement and are giving a confession.
We have repeatedly brought to our partners’ attention that the current authorities in Kiev have no real interest in searching for a peaceful solution to the problems in Ukraine, are not ready to compromise, and intend to resolve issues that arise through the use of force, including terrorism now.
The attempts to enter Crimea unlawfully, the recent attempt on the life of Head of the Lugansk People’s Republic Igor Plotnitsky, the constant firing along the line of contact in Donbass, and the actions of radical nationalists and so-called ‘activists’ from around Ukraine that go beyond the bounds of any lawful framework are a vivid illustration of the state of affairs in Ukraine today. The numerous provocations, efforts to portray Moscow as the enemy, and the deliberate cultivation of anti-Russian sentiments are an attempt by the Ukrainian government to distract the public from the country’s own troubles and the problems affecting the majority of people in Ukraine. We see a deliberate effort to divert public attention from the actions and responsibility of those in power and their inability to carry out long overdue reforms and conduct an honest investigation into the murders of journalists and human rights activists and the crimes committed in 2014 during the Maidan protests, in Odessa, Mariupol, and other cities.
Ukraine’s government makes loud declarations in a bid to deny what is evident and pass responsibility for its own actions to others, even the UN Security Council – anything to avoid taking meaningful steps to normalise the situation.
We call on our partners, whose efforts play a large part in keeping the current regime in Kiev in power, to show common sense and finally get their Ukrainian wards to end their constant provocations and fulfil their obligations in accordance with Minsk Agreements on a political settlement in Ukraine.
Mr Poroshenko constantly touts the “unconditional support from the USA, NATO, and the European Union” in his “fight to return annexed Crimea”. The West’s willingness to play along with this rhetoric undoubtedly played a role in the Ukrainian leadership’s criminal decision to attempt an armed provocation in Russian Crimea. If the commander in chief of Ukraine’s armed forces was involved in these decisions, he will have driven the final nail in the coffin of the peace process. If these decisions were taken without his knowing, then it is even worse. Kiev’s inaction in the face of growing militaristic rhetoric and violent acts planned and executed by so-called volunteer battalions and other extremists is cause for grave concern.
We hope that Western capitals will draw the appropriate conclusions.
Attempts to destabilise the situation in Russian Crimea are doomed to fail. Russia unconditionally guarantees Crimea’s stability and security.
Kiev and its foreign backers should know that any harm to Russia or the deaths of Russian personnel will not go unanswered.
As President Vladimir Putin noted on August 10, given the current situation and until we see real positive steps from Kiev, like renouncing terror and provocations, it makes little sense to hold Normandy format meetings, like the Beijing meeting in early September requested by Mr Poroshenko recently.
Once again, we call on our partners to use their influence with Kiev to dissuade the government from taking any dangerous steps that could have grave consequences. Playing with fire is dangerous.
The Ukrainian terror attempt in Crimea is a world event and anything can happen. I can’t stress enough how big this thing is. I posted on a European site and was blocked! That has never happened before.
My report comes partly from Sputnik and TASS and also from social media. The details keep changing and social media does not always get everything right, but it was there I first heard of the Ukrainian terror attempt, the restrictions at the Kerch bridge and more.
Several were reported dead and injured about a week ago. Offically, they talk of two dead. Seven terrorists were in custody and now we hear three or four. Ten border guards and soldiers were shot at from Ukraine and are in hospital. The terrorist leader has confessed and the others are also talking.
Vladimir Vladimirovich says no this time and Poroshenko is in panic. He does what he always does in such situations, he calls Western leaders. He wants OSCE to go to Crimea and the border. His forces were put on full alert in Donbass and on the Crimean border. At the same time he talked and talked about peace.
The UN Security Council met to discuss the situation on Poroshenkos request and the French Foreign minister called Lavrov. The EU wants more proof and the US is even worse. Ukraine says this is Russias maskirovka.
What makes this thing big is that Vladimir Putin says no. Finally. I hope Russia eliminates terrorist camps in Ukraine. Why give the US a monopoly on interfering in other countries?
Hi Anonymous, can you tell me on what website you tried to post? Would be intersting to try it from a different ip. Maybe we can trace back what the so liberal msm/census truly is. kind regards
The nazis have announced attacking Russia beforehand:
“Dmitri Yarosh (Trizub and Pravy Sektor, and Assistant Secretary of Council on Defense and National Security): “It is better for us to build our own National State! Does that mean knives to the Moskals and ropes to the Jews? Well, not so unsophisticated. There must be a Ukrainian authority in Ukraine; the titular nation must dominate in business, politics, and culture…then–forced Ukrainization. Russians do not like it? Well, go back to F#cking Russia! Those that don’t want to go–we can help them. Russians are not even Slavs…. Next we will liberate our lands: Voronezh, Kursk, Belogorod Oblast, and Kuban. These are all Ukrainian lands!””
Additional security measures to prevent Ukrainian saboteurs from penetrating into Russian territory should be taken not only in Crimea, but also in Russia’s Voronezh, Kursk, and Belgorod regions. This was stated to PolitNavigator by Sergey Gavrilov, a State Duma deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The deputy said:
“We consider saboteur groups’ penetration of Crimea to be an extremely worrisome phenomenon not only for Crimea, but for all regions bordering Ukraine. Earlier, extremist forces such as Right Sector announced Ukraine’s territorial claims to Russian territories – above all, the Voronezh, Belgorod, and Kursk regions.
Now is a very worrisome moment as the economic situation in Ukraine is deteriorating and the ruling clans’ resources from the further plundering the population are dwindling. Europe is losing interest in Ukraine. There are plans to drag Russia into a big war and provoke a coup by radical forces in Ukraine.
Therefore, we must firmly respond by closing the borer, tightening checkpoint procedures, and implementing security measures in border areas.”
Earlier, President Vladimir Putin announced a strengthening of security measures in Crimea in connection with the attempt by Ukrainian sabotage groups to breach the border. Putin stressed: “We will take additional security measures…I want to say that there will be serious additional measures, and not only.”
What a great statement. Its truly an awesome “first step”. Now follow through with “step two”. Form, or encourage the forming,of a “government in exile”. And allow them to form a military force to free their country. The NAF would make a perfect base building block for that force. Its already formed,armed,and made up of people from all over Ukraine (even if most are Donbass people. There are 10-15% of other Ukrainians in it).
So this Russian answer to the above mentioned Ukrainian provocations was the background of Ukraine´s new military mobilization which was announced in German MSM this evening…
of course the Tagesschau didnt mention this background with one word…
Sounds like serious trouble.
Crimean leader blames the US for terrorist attempts in Crimea.
The Crimean head says the Ukrainian officials “wouldn’t have had the courage to hold such actions”
Russia Moves Tanks Into Position For Major War
very strange source…from Israel but pro russian
I’ll wait before I comment fully on Putin and Lavrov’s statements.
Our dear friend, Auslander, will have some insights, I imagine. Certainly, he will be able to give us a local feel from Krim itself.
What is clear is Russia is about to take some scalps. And some geography. I think a modest zone of death will be established on the Ukraine side of the border. A cordon sanitaire.
This is quite common when bandits roam free along borderlands. In this case, Ukraine is clearly an outlaw regime, illegally put in power and never spending one day as less than a criminal mob.
An outlaw regime supported by a rogue empire (squared), Larchmonter, I enjoy your comments and keep them coming. And everyone support our dear saker!
The final sentence: It is not wise to play with fire. Is that the so much more polite and classy Russian equivalent of “Make my day”?
My military guru’s only comment is, ” It is not a good idea to mess with the Russians.”
A few hours ago, a meeting of the UN Security Council, urgently convened in connection to Ukraine’s saboteur attacks on the territory of Russian Crimea, came to a close. The session was convened on Ukraine’s initiative, which is something of a strange incident. Usually, the injured side is the one to initiate such a meeting. In this case, the offended party is Russia, two of whose officers were killed at the hands of Ukrainian terrorists. Either Ukrainian diplomats turned out to be more agile than the Russians, or the convening of the UN Security Council session was merely a debriefing session. In my opinion, the second version appears to be more relevant. It is of even greater importance that the session was a closed one, which gives rise to even more anxiety.
As Russia’s permanent UN representative, Vitaly Churkin, stated, the meeting was useful for Russia insofar as it offered the opportunity to convey to other countries comprehensive information on the incident in Crimea. At the same time, the diplomat did not limit himself to merely informing his foreign colleagues about the Crimean incident, but also brought forth the Russian point of view on events in Donbass. Churkin advised the Ukrainian government to cease the conflict in Donbass and “stop shelling civilians.”
Currently known information on the UN Security Council meeting is quite limited. Nevertheless, some conclusions can be drawn and some previously made predications can be reinforced.
1. Today in an interview for a Russian publication, I expressed the opinion that there will be no war with Ukraine at this stage. I posited that the words of Churkin quite clearly confirm this view. Despite all the negative perceptions of the Ukrainian leadership as now even being “terrorist,” Russia is still ready (or compelled) to negotiate with it. Many hot heads in Russia will be disappointed with such restraint on the part of Russian diplomacy. But I believe that this is the only reasonable behavior to have in such an uncertain situation. The plans of the terrorist attacks’ organizers included a lavish display of the Ukrainian side’s intentions with shooting from Ukrainian territory and the shelling of Russian soldiers. There would have been no need for deliberate demonstrativeness, as the terrorist attack itself would have been arranged quietly and then, the organizers of the attack (obviously not Ukrainians, but useful tools in foreign hands) hoped for an emotional reaction from Russia.
Society has indeed expressed its frustration and replied with calls to punish Ukraine up to the point of sending in Russian troops. However, Russia’s political and military leadership has turned out to be more restrained and does not wish to act in a way predictable for the opponent, or play according to their rules. There is the danger of a direct military clash between Russia and Ukraine, but it is minimal. Otherwise, there would have already been such a war. That a war of this sort hasn’t been started yet is exclusively the merit of Russia, despite Ukraine’s efforts.
2. Vitaly Churkin’s words linked the incident in Crimea to the situation in Donbass while simultaneously appealing to Russia’s European partners’ opinions. Russia, as a victim of Ukrainian terrorism, is hoping for understanding on the part of its Western partners from the Normandy Quartet, who are supposed to put pressure on the Kiev regime. However, the recent statement by the French Foreign Ministry urging the conflicting parties to come to a peaceful agreement leaves little chance that the West will cooperate. The US State Department has supported all of Ukraine’s actions without “noticing” their terrorist character.
We can only guess what specific actions the Russian side will subsequently take against Ukraine if Kiev violates the ceasefire in Donbass. Judging by Vladimir Putin’s statements, Russia could abandon the Normandy Format. Without a doubt, the negotiation process over Donbass would continue in some kind of new form, either without Ukraine’s participation, or with strict control over its actions in Crimea. Admittedly, it is difficult to speak of an specifics on this question.
3. Despite the patience of President Putin and Russian diplomacy, a war with Ukraine seems to be only a matter of time away. Ukraine itself is deliberately provoking Russia to take this step. On August 11th, the holding of military exercises in Southern Ukraine and marine corps’ exercises were announced and Poroshenko gave the order to put troops in a state of high alert and move them up to the border of Russian Crimea. This is a game of muscle-flexing and a provocation against Russia. According to Chekhov’s famous play, if a gun hangs on the wall in the first act, then it will necessarily be shot in the last. ”
Transparent demand for peace in Ukraine, necessary to Russian security. Russia will fight for it, it just does not say so. It is fighting right now.
Comrade Colonel and his government make a plain clear speech. But the audience is delusional, and afraid, and committed to another course of action. His opposition is out of options… In game theory that means they have lost. This is not game theory.
But he has said what he must say according to the rites and customs, and the law. That, and more.
The sitzkrieg is about over. This is obvious. All that’s left is hope. Humanity. Love. And maybe that will keep us out of the abyss…
Regrettably, no. Stage is being set for a serious war, no empire ever simply fades into oblivion without one. Best we can hope is that it doesn’t turn nuclear, as that will have no winners.
Why on earth do the Russians keep referring to the NATO nations as their “partners?” The word has ceased to have its proper meaning, and this conributes to confusion.
Partners? Because they’re dancing with the bear. And when you dance with a bear it is the bear that says when the dance is over. This is true about any cooperative relationship, but especially true about conflict. Opponent in war means “partners” in a dance…each move having an effect that rebounds…it is war. and it is life too.
Putin should escalate and retaliate using a few cruise missiles on Ukrainian forces….
….how can they let Ukrainians kill Russian servicemen without retaliation ?
….Really, it only shows weakness on the part of Russians.
It doesnt, it shows Russian patience, and maybe even respect for those stupid Ukrainian soldiers who will die for nothing. Don’t forget – they are all one people. Russia will bide its’ time and when the time is right, they will get their revenge. And without killing those stupid grunts in the trenches, but by striking at those who gave them orders.
I think this was a provocation by the war party in Washington to get a Russian response that would then have justified NATO getting involved.
The MSM is in full propagand mode but nobody is calling for war, they know it would end in defeat.
I think it’s apparent that Keiv was gearing up for a Krajina style blitz but they realized it would fail massively.
The war party is getting desperate. Feckless hack Obama will be out soon and looks like trump will win in a landslide (Google images of Trump and Clinton rallies to see who people are turning out for). The war party is running out of time. The failed coup in Turkey was a strategic disaster, the failed war in Ukraine is turning into a strategic disaster and in Asia, nobody is lining up behind Obama to isolate and make war on China; another strategic disaster.
At the same time, Britian has left the empire and it looks like many others will follow.
What is interesting is that these actions don’t seem to have backing from Obama. He was never really in control and since there is zero accountability in his administration, everyone is doing whatever they please. I think this Crimea thing and the Turkey thing were staged by a group centered around Ash Carter, a sinister lunatic who really wants to get it on with Russia.
Also, to me there seems to be a split in the Anglo Zionist empire. The Anglos and the Zionists are just factions after all. With Obama being so ineffective policy has collapsed and the different factions are able to pursue their own priorities. and that is why you are seeing these reckless desperate acts.
where do you get that Trump will win in a landslide????
google images of Trump rallies and Clinton rallies. Nobody is going to see Clinton. Everyone despises her. Trump has a large following. Right now they are tied in corrupt polls. Hillary and the media are going full bore, but they forget, you dont do a product launch in August.
Trump is keeping his powder dry and will launch a campaign that will wither Hillary around the middle of Sept.
Im not reflecting my preference, i’m just looking at the technical aspects of their campaigns. Trump has been a brilliant strategist. He demolished the field in the primaries even though he was an outsider. Amazing effort.
Hillary is the chosen one. She has loads of cash, 100% MSM backing, support from everyone in the establishment and the best she can do at this point is tie Trump, who as I mentioned, has not started his campaign yet.
It will be a massacre.
If elections could change anything, they would be forbidden. American, so called, president is selected by 508 people. They can be bought by a change from the war party. Trump is just entertainer in circus called US Elections.
“Hillary is the chosen one. She has loads of cash, 100% MSM backing, support from everyone in the establishment…..”
Gee I wish I owned a TV station. With all the money being wasted on political ads this year, I’d be a billionaire by November!
Jim of Olym
Look at these:
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And yet Trump is demolishing Clinton on social media.
You have to remember the media are liars. They lie like they breathe. They have zero credibility. Their reports are complete bullshit. That’s why we are here.
Correct on all counts except next US president. Polls and votes don’t mean jack shit, Killary will win. Don’t forget that in their system, it is not the people who vote but the electoral college, and they are so far out of touch with voters, they might as well be on another planet.
Looking at the whole global situation in some depth it looks to me like august 1914, more or less. The west has made great preparations. One calculates in strategy based on capabilities, and one makes plans to counter these or to use them to advantage. Then, if dialogue and compromise fail, if diplomacy fails, one follows the law. I know what that means and so do you. We shall each simply have to hope that our several nations come out alive, simply have to hope for the best. But what is best?
Now we wait for a miracle, or for another shoe to drop.
Russia was attacked with loss of life and it’s calling on its “partners” who have proven their consistent desire to take Russia down and they issue a yet another warning? SSDD (same shit, different day). Putin in his televised remarks calls the Ukraine action “stupid.” That’s it? Name calling?
I recognize that anything Russia does will be used to elect The Dead Woman Walking, and maybe that’s what this is all about. I suspect that the Normandy talks will go forward. Note that language: “it makes little sense” not: “we withdraw from the Normandy format.”
I suspect that the US/NATO thinks that they have Putin in a box, and so far his actions seem to affirm this.
Sad to say I think you are right. Ukraine launches an armed incursion into Crimea (Russian sovereign territory) an open act of war, and Russia shows ‘restraint’ It is a pity Russia didn’t act like it did in South Ossetia when Sakashvili launched his attack in 2008. I note that the Georgians learnt their lesson on that occasion and have been quiet since.
Likewise the Ukrainians ceased their offensive operations after the NAF gave them a good kicking at Ilvoaisk and Debaltsevo. Poroshenko simply used the Minsk talking shop to save his ramshackle army form complete destruction.
Appeasement simply plays into the hands of the enemy who by now must think they can up the ante even further.
Russia is “playing the game” by different rules now. The zionazis are not evolved enough to see the end game they themselves initiated. The next few months will not be dull…
“Putin’s Siberian agent Trump” seems to realise the stakes:
Trump calls Obama ‘founder of ISIS’ with Clinton as ‘co-founder’
“He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder. He founded ISIS,” Trump told the raucous crowd of supporters, adding, “I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.”
At a Tuesday event in North Carolina, Trump said that Clinton should get an award from the terror group for facilitating their rise.
“If they gave a trophy for most valuable player, the winner of the trophy for ISIS would probably have to be Hillary Clinton,” he said.
Trump followed up on the “founder of ISIS” remark during an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt Thursday morning.
“Last night, you said the president was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace,” Hewitt said.
“No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do,” Trump replied. “He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give it to her, too, by the way – Hillary Clinton.”
‘Founder of ISIS’: Trump Doubles Down on Claim Obama Behind Rise of Daesh
“US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has reiterated his claim that US President Barack Obama is literally a “founder of ISIS,” adding that, “everyone’s liking” his remark.”
His a angle ( in brief) is poor pindo policy ceated these zionazi stooges by way of blowback, not that the sods run daesh. Still it is halfway there, and israel’s radio queens ( conservative talk radio, these zio-gays call themselves, or hate radio, as known by most others), some of them, are talking about what Trumps claims. This spreads the usa-terrorism connection to an audience in zionazi occupied america totally ignorant such connections exist. And it does, indirectly, help discredit the zionazi’s main population tool, their Jewish owned and run msm propaganda machine.
Thanks for making this point. You’ve got to hand it to Trump. If he’s Putin’s agent, then Obama and Hillary founded ISIS! A crude way to make a point, but he’s halfway to the truth. What a time we live in.
How is the situation of Russia’s Putin differ from that of Germany’s Hitler?
Now, don’t be hasty, think about this for a second.
-Loss of WWI, not by military means, humiliating piece accord, contrary to prior arrangement.
-Capture of German economic, financial, fiscal and cultural resources by (((other))) parties.
-Internal political and social chaos
-Rebirth of Nationalism
-Stabilisation of living satandards
-Reform of the Military
-Foreign military adventures, excercises
-Uniting german-speaking territorries with the Reich
-Provocation of German nationals(and officials)living abroad
-Economic and cultural isolation
-Demonization of leadership
-Sabotage of the perifery
Word War eleven…:-)
Are you serious? This is the most clueless comparison I have seen in several years.
Hitler was backed by Wall St (Prescott Bush, patriarch of the Bush Clan, as functionary for Brown Brothers Harriman, Union Bank, Fritz Thyssen and most importantly the British Oligarchy, saved Hitler from bancruptcy and suicide for the purpose of wielding Germany as a hammer against Russia/The Soviet Union) and London. It’s in the Library of Congress (FDR’s executive order shutting down Union Bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942, AFTER USA declared war on Germany and Japan……... Where’s their support of Russia??
Sorry, but your comment is so absurd that it is not even funny. Although it did elicit an early morning laugh from me, my since of humor is quite sardonic and I would expect other who know even the basics of the history of the last 80 years will be less amused and more filled with righteous anger at the fallacies of composition employed in your comment.
Are you the Bro from California, or somebody else ?
Humiliating ‘piece’ accord = An incredible ‘peace’ of sh**, right?
Q: How does the situation of Russia’s Putin differ from that of Germany’s Hitler?
A: That difference is best summed up as follows. Hitler was a vile, drooling two-bit Westerner strongly committed to ‘European values’ in general and the latters’ Anglo-American interpretation in particular. To wit: War, enslavement, racist genocide, stealing other peoples’ lands, natural resources, and labour output. Putin, by contrast, is a highly intelligent, decent, and respectful person. Like Lenin and Stalin before him, Putin knows that the West isn’t just violently insane but terminally so and, hence, that Human civilization is hanging ominously in the balance.
On this basis, it is no surprise that Western economies, be they of the Fascist, Neoliberal, or Reformist stripe, have no ways of really sustaining themselves except by parasitism. This is what the West’s unending war-mongering has always been about. Hitler was just a very militant parasite, itching strongly for Russia’s immense wealth. Putin, his country, and his people remain an irresistible target of the beast’s all-out superiority complex and megalomania. However, unlike in Hitler’s time, today’s West is no longer an industrial powerhouse. Its parasitism, rot, and decay have reached the stage of terminal prolapse.
I understand your logic, but every time when somebody invokes Hitler in comparison to Putin’s Russia, provokes a high degree of rage , this is still a taboo.
In fairness, it can in fact be said that Putin’s Russia, Nazi Germany, and Erdogan’s Turkey are similar in the sense that the majority population firmly stands behind their political leadership in times of increasing international tensions and warmongering. No taboo at all — it would make much more sense to speak of a taboo stifling any discussions about the US serving as the very role model for Nazi Germany with regard to both domestic and international politics.
But of the three examples mentioned, Putin’s Russia hasn’t bombed, invaded, or subverted any other country. The Russian government isn’t promoting chauvinism and war-fever among the people. Simple as that.
I think you want a serious answer. After approximately 10 minutes of thinking, here, I give you the serious answer.
Hitler was accused of killing civilians and war prisoners, while Putin (and Russia as a country too) treats the war prisoners and civilians well. HOWEVER, Hitler was never accused of ordering illegal murders as far as I know, while Putin was accused of being responsible for death of a certain pro-“Western,” anti-Russian liberal, about whose death I, personally, greatly rejoiced, as soon as I learned about it, and I don’t regret having these emotions.
Hitler was a dictator, but he wasn’t an epitome of evil as his detractors would like to portray him. He would not illegally assassinate someone.
With the exception of the last sentence about Hitler’s stance on illegal assassinations, I second the above post wholeheartedly. Hitler was an Anglo mole all along the line. And Anglo-American imperialism has always elevated genocide, ecocide, and all-out plunder to perfectly “legal”, judicial sophistry. The kangaroo court in the Hague is one of the most recent manifestations of this, incrominating the resistance to Western gangsterism.
I’d like to state, I guess for the record, that Russians think of themselves as “White people” and therefore as part of “the West”. Not only will they repeat that a lot of times, but they will also get offended when they are called Asian or mixed. Yes, some of the Russian citizens are either mixed, or Tatar, Caucasian (from Caucasus/Kavkaz), Jewish, etc, but those Russians who are neither mixed or one of these minorities think of themselves as European/Western/White etc. That’s why, if I’m honest, if some American politician decides do start a war with Israel or with a Muslim country, in my personal opinion, most Russians would say to temselves “well, it’s not like these people deserve to live in the first place”.
Let me say sort of “between us” that if I was a Chinese politician or even non-politician, I would maybe trust Russian government but I would not trust the Russian people (russian non-politicians), because they think of themselves as not-Asian and their attitude towards China would in my personal view always be forced compromises and not deals.
I am not convinced that Russia (except MAYBE it’s government) is not a part of the “Western civilization”. Maybe I will change my opinion in the future if some fact will change it.
About Mr. Hitler — I’ve been reading some communist website about the industrialization in China and Russia (factories were built, farms were broken by the oppressive government), and the question was — did these dictators start this system/process because it benefits the workers, or did they do it because it is needed to turn their respective countries into world powers? The answer was it was the second and the same happend with Hitler to, according to the commenter. Proof that the conversation happened — http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/57324-Industrialization-in-Russia-and-China
So, I think that something sinister is going on with Lenin and Stalin who were possibly influenced by Capitalist countries despite statements that.. state, and evidence that suggests contrary. And you can bet literally anything that it still is going on in China with their oligarchs. What is subjectively, for me, is the worst, is that this sinister system is still not inverted in Russia.
Was Hitler a mole to the Capitalist countries, despite being a Socialists? I think to some extent he was.
Winter is coming and Poreshenko needs money to pay his gas bill.
He needs western attention on Ukraine.
This is one way to get it.
They will start the war in Donbass.
I suppose if Mr. Poroshenko has enough cash, he can find a way to get his gas via Poland.
First, ladies and gentlemen, calm down, Armageddon will not be tomorrow.
The incursion was a serious event and was handled quietly on this island and in this berg. On the other hand there are no armed forces standing on the street corners, FSB are not rounding up suspected traitors off the streets and tanks are not sitting in Naxhimova Square. To the best of my knowledge there are no restrictions of movement anywhere south of the incident location. We will know for sure when we go to Battery in late morning.
War is coming in Novorossiya, of this there is no doubt and ‘official’ hostilities can start at any time. This is very serious and will be a world crisis on the level of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand 102 years ago. My gut feeling is when the open fighting, and it’s pretty open at this time, starts up north that is when the several groups sitting on this island will activate and we may then have some serious events, the import of which will be drowned out by the noise from up north, both physical and diplomatically.
In the event of serious events either here or in Novorossiya I will report little if anything during the event or shortly after, this for Operational Security, OpSec, reasons. We are in no way connected in any manner with any military or security apparatus but we are both observant and the last think either of us wants is to inadvertently provide the other side with any information they can use.
Now for a little dose of reality. A military unit on a train supposedly somewhere in Krasnodar Krai is not necessarily ‘reinforcements heading for the Krimu Border’ and should not be breathlessly reported as such. Not everything with tracks and with or without a small or large turret on top is a tank. A group of ten military vehicles wandering up a road in Krimea is not a division headed north to the border. Six fuel trucks descending on a fuel depot in Simferopol is not a sign of immanent hostilities. Be calm and don’t go off reading every ‘expurt’ commentary, either political or military, and taking said commentary as gospel truth.
Not being privy to the goings on in Russian Security Council meetings I have no idea how Mr. Putin will handle this event either publicly or privately. However, Mr. Putin has shown admirable restraint during this whole mess over the last almost three years and actually much longer and he may let diplomacy play out before there is any overt reaction to the two dead and eleven wounded Russian servicemen. From the looks of things, though, I doubt there will be a ‘minsk 3’ nor will Merkel, Golland or Kerry be particularly successful when they come fluttering in to Moskau this time.
In summation, sadly yes, war is coming. For those advocating an instant and violent response to this attempted attack in to Krimu, you know not that which you want and you have not seen War up close and personal. Some of us have. Will we fight if we have to? Yes. Will we like it? No. But we will fight if needs be.
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Thanks so much for your calm voice of reason in these dangerous times.
Stay safe and big hugs to you, your dear bride and our cousins in Krim.
Thank you for your compliments, Babushka. This morning, like every morning for the last well over two years, the trumpets sounded at 06:30 calling the soldiers and sailors to formation, the Church bells rang at 07:00 and asides from those two daily events the silence is deafening, the only noise is the second troika of ‘children’ enjoying their morning walk, read snoring in the shade.
All is calm and peaceful here, as it should be.
With kindest regards,
MOSCOW, August 12. /TASS/. A Russian senator has said that Internet was turned off in the north of Crimea for security reasons.
“(Internet was turned off) for security reasons. Such measures are necessary first of all for security reasons, and people understand that,” member of the Federation Council’s Committee on Defense and Security Olga Kovitidi told Dozdh TV channel on Friday.
Several media reported earlier that Internet was disrupted in part of north Crimea.
Stay safe and if you can let us know how you are if things get “hot”
James, my charming bride and I thank you for your concern. I think all will be calm for the time being.
We have just returned from 35th Battery Museum on the far southwest side of town.
Road conditions are normal, very crowded but simply a typical High Summer day, intensely hot, very few Militsiya or GAIshniki to be seen.
No unusual security was noticed and this includes both at Battery and at the Desantnik Lager abutting Museum grounds and fronting on the T2704 near Kozacha Street. No increased military movements seen anywhere in the long route from our little house on northside to Battery.
The one small, 4 Ural, convoy we did see was on the P27, what could be called the Inkerman Bypass, and the infantry in the trucks, while armed (which is normal), were not in full combat gear and were smiling and friendly and waving to the pretty women, my lovely bride included and of course she smiled and waved back to them.
There does not appear to be any undercurrent of worry or trepidation in any of the four facilities we visited in our little journey. Battery Museum had the usual two guards, this is 24/7, one at the front gate and one at the side gate about 200 m away. Desantnik Lager had the usual guards at the front gates, also armed as usual but not in full gear with vests.
Two other facilities we visited say all is normal and they, too, had simply the usual armed guards.
On the other hand the situation in Novorossiya is deteriorating daily. At this time, and for the last eight weeks, the bombardments are as intense if not more so than the worst before the late summer 2014 cauldron battles near the Russian Borders and before the Debaltsyevo Cauldron Battle in early 2015. Civilians are dying every day as infrastructure and living areas are flattened yet again. I do not know what the result will be but I do know that for the last three weeks, and this is common knowledge, NAF has been selectively firing back after staying utterly silent for six months and just taking it.
When that war starts again, and it’s not if but when and soon, then all bets are off. I doubt there will be much trouble here but the sanctions imposed on Russia after the victory of NAF will be draconian. That will make life a bit unpleasant for many of us to say the least.
Mr. Putin has clearly stated there there is no reason for another ‘Normandy Four’ meeting in the near future because of the actions of Ukraine both in Krimu and Donbas. I do not know what his reaction will be when hostilities ‘officially’ commence but from past experience he will be resourceful and thorough. Time will tell us as events unfold.
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“For these reasons, we should expect a response from Russia that is aimed at making an example of the Ukrainian regime over its recent provocation, while at the same time doing so in a fashion which carries forward their long-term diplomatic aim of keeping at least a portion of European elites skeptical of (and hedging against) Trans-Atlantic designs on Russia.
Thanks for the good describing of the situation from site, good to have you there. How are your beloved dogs ? in this world bad for cats and good for rats…
You are most welcome, ioan. We keep a very close eye on the situation both here and in Novorossiya and I do report from time to time especially about the local events.
Dogs are fine although we came within hours of losing my blue girl Sophia. She was expectant, she has come up empty on the previous four attempts. She lost the pups and the resultant infection almost did her in. Two months later and she is completely recovered and is snoring at my feet as I type, her half sister Yekatarina curled up to her. They are inseparable.
It might be that Ukraine stupidly offered Russia the rationale for a decisive blow.
“Ukraine has ‘turned to terrorism’, ‘Ukraine is a state sponsoring terrorism'”. Russia could now invoke UNO Resolutions against terrorism, the more if it can be related with ISIS. But it would not invade Ukraine. It is likely that the actions were planned to take place after the success of the coup in Turkey and in conjunction with the Olympiad (NATO has a fetishism for starting wars during Olympic Games). It is more likely that the Russians will let the situation fizzle out, although some punctual painful retribution cannot be ruled out.
The ukies are expendable and stupid enough to volunteer. US needs some raw material for propaganda or pre-emptive strike.
Russian aggression, Russian invasion – lots of dead ukies are required to beef up the propaganda.
ukr has listed level of threat due to “aggravation of situation on the border with crimea’ plus other regions in various conditions!!!!!!
Also newsline Poroshenko has decided to talk to putin,
KYIV (QHA) –
Russia will not launch an attack from Crimea through the land borders, and will attempt to carry out an amphibious operation, said the coordinator of “Information Resistance” group Dmitry Tymchuk.
“We can’t say that the large-scale offensive will launch from the Crimea. The number of Russian troops there is about 30 thousand. Launching an attack through isthmus would not be reasonable from a military point of view. Our troops would simply block it on a narrow section. This is an option of 300 Spartans. I believe that the Russian General Staff plans to conduct an amphibious operation,” the military expert said.
Tymchuk went on saying that over the two years Ukraine has significantly grown in terms of military power. Combat aircraft pilots and Coast Guard Forces obtained serious training and reinforcement.
According to him, Russian militants are actively deploying military equipment to Novoazovskiy area in Mariupol direction. However, the Russian mercenaries are not trained professionals.
“They spoil military equipment, and it has to be replaced. All the equipment comes from Russia to resupply the units. The deployment of additional troops from Russia is not recorded in Ukraine,” Tymchuk said.
August 10, the Russian Federal Security Service distributed a statement on the prevention of terrorist attacks in the Crimea, allegedly plotted by the Chief of the Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence.
The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said that bringing charges of terrorism against Ukraine in the occupied Crimea sounds as meaningless and cynical.
Thursday, August 11, the Head of state ordered to alert all military units near the administrative border with Crimea, as well as in Donbas.”
guess who’s side they are on in their delusion, but also
Brussels journalists are making fun of the fact that as at two o’clock in the afternoon, August 11, the European Union has not yet presented its opinion on the events in Crimea and at the administrative border with mainland Ukraine.
Reportedly, the representatives of the European Commission have not made any statement on the situation in Ukraine during the daily briefing, according to “European truth”.
yup, Merkel still saying Crimea must be returned???????
As of the morning of August 10, the situation at the administrative border with the annexed Crimea is dynamic and has undergone significant changes according to the Press Secretary of the State Border Service of Ukraine Oleg Slobodyan.
“The Supervisory agencies of the occupants have fully restored the crossing operations at the entry and exit checkpoint “Chongar”, “Kalanchak” and “Chaplynka”. As of 8:00 a.m. at the entry and exit checkpoint “Chongar” there were about 70 cars to travel from the mainland Ukraine and 40 cars to leave the peninsula. 40 cars were awaiting registration at the entry and exit checkpoint “Chaplynka” as well 10 vehicles in “Kalanchak,” writes Slobodyan.
He informed that due to the occupants’ actions most people following from Crimea were not able to cross the administrative border for over 24 hours.
“Many of them felt sick and their health condition worsened. Ukrainian border guards have provided the necessary medical care to each of them on arrival at the checkpoints. People, especially the elderly, felt under par, some of them fainted. At least 7 such cases were recorded,” said Slobodyan.
Reportedly, the Russian Armed Forces’ activity close to the administrative border is still high. The guards repeatedly observed the Mi-8 helicopters and the movement of military equipment near the Russian position.
Earlier the Deputy Minister on the Affairs of the Temporarily Occupied Territories Georgiy Tuka said that the traffic was restricted on the Crimean border due to the Russian military drills.
The morning of August 7, the occupying Russian authorities without any explanation completely stopped traffic on the Crimean border. The gunfire was heard not far from the “Chongar” checkpoint and the Russian aircrafts spotted.
August 8, the occupation authorities of the Crimea again blocked the entry and exit checkpoint “Kalanchak” at the administrative border with Ukraine. In “Chongar” the traffic moves in both directions, but very slowly. In “Chaplinka” Russian law enforcement officers allow only those who follow towards the peninsula.
August 9, Russians restored the checkpoints operation, but at “Kalanchak” and “Chaplynka” checkpoints people and vehicles could cross the border only in the direction of Crimea.”
And of course absolutely no acknowledgement of ukr terrorist action against Crimea.
commiserations to many persons killed and injured in bus crash near Sudak yesterday-today.
Just read that Sergei Ivanov has to go and is not further Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia.
Would be glad if anybody can interpret it.
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What part does Russia still fail to know, and understand, of the original wolfowitz doctrine, drawn up by that jew neocon (under cheney), which stated: ‘a world in which there is one dominant military power [USA] whose leaders “must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors [Russia; China] from even aspiring to a larger regional [Russia’s influence in Ukraine] or global role.”‘
And: ‘in the event of a resurgent threat [i.e. simply declaring Russia a threat is good enough] from Russia, “we should plan to defend against such a threat” farther forward on the territories of Eastern Europe’ i.e. Ukraine: create a problem by putting into power their men poroshitko & yats, and then responding to any REaction by Russia.
Furthermore, the nyt states: ‘And to help stabilize the economies and democratic development in Eastern Europe, the draft calls on the European Community to offer memberships to Eastern European countries as soon as possible.’
So, all part of the plan, with PNAC.
I forgot to comment on this: ‘We call on our partners, whose efforts play a large part in keeping the current regime in Kiev in power, to show common sense and finally get their Ukrainian wards to end their constant provocations’ – this is incredibly naive, or just simply plain ignorant.
There is only one (country) person who needs talking to: biden, the rest are powerless and useless.
If Russia wants to get serious on Crimea and Ukraine, then it must only deal with biden. That is the only hope – if any – of trying to influence the demonic USG.
There are only 2 realistic reasons for kiev’s attack on Crimea: they are rabically mad, or rather demonically possessed; biden approved it. Of course, it could be both.
Putin’s response is one of we will not react to your provocations, that is the timing of it, but every act like that will simply wind a ‘spring’ much tighter, such that, when unleashed will be all the more devastating.
However, this may still not happen, as I think Putin is waiting to see who the next President is, and I think it will not be hitlery.
So up until early November, Putin will keep his powder ‘dry’.
Then, there is the dangerous window between the old and the new President, which is, I think, a far more dangerous period than now.
What with the warmonger camoron out of office, and may seemingly the better pm insofar as USUkraine, Russia is concerned, it looks somewhat brighter for the Donbass, and if/when Trump becomes Pres, I think it will be much better.
They aren’t partners they are criminal mischief in the raw. When will Russia move into Ukraine to ferret out these killers and end this senseless violence? Sooner rather than later it is hoped.
Most alarming to see that Atlanticists like Anders Ansland and the Canadian ambassador to Ukraine now retweeting similar fables in what appears to be an emerging Western master narrative response/narrative to recent events in Crimea: Russia staged it as a pretext for their pending invasion etc. Very dangerous provocations. The Ivanov matter is claimed to be part of all this.
Ukrainian Armed Forces Getting Ready..