by Ghassan Kadi
Erdogan’s AKP party has scored a monumental victory; not so much in terms of the lead in parliament though. As a matter of fact, it is a fairly narrow victory, but one that was least expected. What is monumental about it is the course that Turkey has set itself upon.
A victory for Erdogan perhaps, but for Turkey itself, the outcome of this election will probably take years and even decades until it becomes clear what the results truly meant for Turkey’s future and wellbeing.
Nearly one hundred years ago, Ataturk set the foundations of the Turkish Republic, and Turkey was no longer a waning great Empire better known then as “The Sick Man of Asia”. A fresh new republic emerged, though with much smaller territory and much lesser wealth and resources. It was a fresh start for the Turkish people and an anticipation for a new direction without having to look back much at the past and the loss of either the war or the Empire.
This election for Turkey has been like no other, because most analysis predicted an AKP loss.
Some of Erdogan’s opponents are making accusations that the result was rigged. Perhaps one could argue that something was rigged; either the polling booths or the minds of the majority in Turkey.
This election for Turkey has been like no other, because Turkey has now embarked on a new path; the Erdogan Republic.
This now truly marks the end of the Ataturk era. Out with the old and in with the new. Erdogan continues to brandish the portrait of Ataturk in his office, but in reality he has dismantled everything that Ataturk has built and stood up for.
Democracy Ataturk-style had its own flavour, perhaps a unique flavour not known anywhere else in the world, and definitely one that is very different from Western-Style Democracy.
Ataturk was a soldier before he became a politician. He had full faith and trust in the military, and he therefore decided that the military should have the upper hand over politicians and be the national watchdog.
Ataturk was far from being a world hero. He was a ruthless nationalist who would stop at nothing in his pursuit of Turkmen superiority. Other ethnicities had to accept being assimilated into the Turkman identity or face genocide. This is needless to say that he was a drunk who died at the age of fifty seven from alcohol-induced liver cirrhosis.
For some decades later, once corruption became rife and once politicians were seen to put their own political agenda before national interests, the council of the three army chiefs stepped in, removed the government from office and declared military rule until there was such enough time to call for elections.
Politicians who were deposed by the army, were (and in accordance with the constitution) not allowed to run for office ever again.
The military deterrent was meant to keep politicians honest or face the consequences. The constitution was amended several times and the last significant change was back in 1982, but the army kept its stature.
Erdogan changed this, and the Turkish military does not have that moral upper hand any longer. The final say is back into the hands of the politicians.
But this is not all.
Erdogan has one more task to perform. He wants to change the constitution again giving more power to the president; ie himself, and turn Turkey into a state in which the president has unprecedented power. The link below is an excellent reference to the constitutional changes that preceded Erdogan as well as what he has implemented and endeavours to do.
My article however is not about the Erdogan changes per se. It is about the manner in which they have been done, both at the level of Erdogan as well as the Turkish people themselves.
Erdogan has used fear and a slogan that translates as “AKP or Chaos” in order to polarise voters and get them to revise their June 2015 vote and vote AKP. But this is not new. All Western-Style politicians use all sorts of tactics and dirty tricks in elections.
What is pertinent in the Erdogan-Style Democracy are a number of serious issues.
To begin with, Erdogan has used the democratic process in order to take power away from the army and political rivals and give more power and autocracy to himself.
Would Erdogan go as far as calling for a referendum that abolishes democracy altogether? Even though this is an unlikely prospect, the Erdogan-Style Democracy has definitely demonstrated new and unprecedented flaws in democratic systems, ones that have not been seen in Western-Style Democracies; or at least not yet.
In essence, if the public is polled and approves the abolishment of democracy and the instalment of autocracy, then the public’s wish will be granted. Democracy, in its pure form, Western-Style or Erdogan-Style therefore carries a licence for suicide with total impunity and lack of provisions to prevent any ensuing dictatorship.
What is more interesting in the outcome of the very recent November 2015 Turkish parliamentary elections is that Turkish voters did not really favour an Erdogan-Style autocracy against democracy, they have favoured a Theocratic-Style Democracy against secularism.
This is a potentially serious and dangerous development.
The political and military turmoil that has overtaken the Levant in the last couple of decades and since the first US-led war against Saddam in 1991, and to be specific the last five years or so, has seen a dogmatic polarisation of Levantine nations.
With the state of Israel in existence, a state that bases itself on a Zionist-Talmudic interpretation that gives some of the descendants of Abraham a form of superiority, some Levantine states and ideologies countered the Zionist argument by adopting a similar, but opposite, argument that is based on Fundamentalist-Islamic rights instead of Zionist-Jewish rights.
Secularism and all-inclusiveness in the Levant have been under severe attacks, the most fearsome of which is the one manifested in the “War On Syria”. As other nations were eventually drawn in, they had to decide whether they would support the dangerous rise of fundamentalism, especially Islamic fundamentalism, sit back and watch it, or partake in standing up against it.
Erdogan has played an instrumental role in the “War On Syria” and Turks are quite aware of this. His gamble has failed abysmally in Syria, and within Turkey itself, his stand has rekindled ethnic and sectarian divides, and Turks are quite aware of this as well.
On the matter of choosing to side with ISIS or those fighting it, including Kurds, Erdogan chose to support ISIS, and this too is not a secret as all Turks are aware of this.
It was mentioned above that some anti-Erdogan Turkish activists are claiming that the elections were rigged. This is a link to one of those claims:
It would be rather difficult for anyone to make impartial assessments about such claims. Certainly however, if the elections were indeed rigged, then there is a serious problem in the way Erdogan’s party practices politics. However, if the elections were not rigged, and if the Turkish people have indeed decided to side with Islamic fundamentalism, then this constitutes a much more serious problem.
I have always maintained that Islamism is a distorted form of Islam that can only be addressed by Muslims themselves if and when they decide to read the Quran correctly. The war against Islamism is not one that can be won militarily alone. That said, “war on terror” has been an American slogan all the while America was feeding the Jihadi Islamists in one hand and giving them a small smack on the bottom with the other hand. As the world is waking up to the fact that Islamic fundamentalism needs to be curbed, the world powers have been making very serious statements about on which side of this argument they stand.
If Turkish people have decided to side with Islamism and all that comes with it, they will need to be ready for the consequences, domestically, regionally and internationally, courtesy of Erdogan-Style Democracy.
So the Israeli-American “diebold” election tech has been exported to Turkey….
Turkey is basically rumulians vs anatolians. Former being liberal europenized ataturks latter being peasentry who over past century has now won out demographically.
Twitter Explodes in Protest Over ‘Boots on the Ground’ in Syria
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20151104/1029558708/twitter-responds-us-syria-troops.html#ixzz3qUkeIgYZ
I bet it really sucks being so far in the wrong that your own tools work against you. :D
The Turkish attitude really does amaze me.There are maps and reports out for the last 8-9 years that the US’s ultimate aim is to dismember Turkey.That they want to see a Kurdistan include a quarter of Turkish territory.So do the Turks think that is a “joke”,and the US didn’t mean it.Isn’t seeing what happened in Iraq and now what the US is doing in Syria enough for them to understand whats happening.Considering Turkey’s actions in the past with Greece,Syria,and over Cyprus.We know that they value what they believe to be their borders.So why would they work with those planning to strip them of their borderlands.Maybe Erdogan thinks he can outsmart his “pardners” and they would change their minds.If so that’s a very risky idea for him.
US seeks to partition the Northern part of Syria as an Israeli or US colony; that’s where most of the oil is. Historically the Kurds had only a small corner up in the Northeast, but now under US influence are spreading across the rest of the North and also to the East, to claim more territory.
In mid-October Syrian Kurds immediately decided to ’Kurdicise’ the territories in Northern Syria. They therefore began to occupy the houses of non-Kurds, and sent a threatening letter to local schools ordering them to fire their Arab teachers and replace them with Kurdish teachers in order to ensure exclusively Kurdish teaching.
The Arabs, who have been in the majority in these territories for thousands of years, protested vigorously, as did the other minorities. In the space of two weeks, the movement spread, and many schools were forced to obey, except for those of the Assyrian Christian minority, who deployed their own militia to defend them.
The War in Syria, the Kurdish Question, and Saakashvili`s Conspiracy for a New Maidan in Georgia.
Eric Draitser of StopImperialism.org appears on CPR Sunday (November 1, 2015) with security analyst Mark Sleboda and journalist/broadcaster Don DeBar. Eric, Mark and Don discuss the latest developments in the war on Syria.
Hi Ghassan, thanks for clear headed humanity first essay…I agree with you totally about the seriousness of the results…will we ever know I wonder…it sounds like another Saudi Arabia in the making…public not even part of the politics of the leaders.
By the way, have you seen Rebekah Roth’s interviews about 9/11…I think you would be interested…there’s two that I have watched…she has amazing talent for digging into government docs and she has found facts implicating Israel in a huge way for 9/11… Its really worth watching both, but one should be watched just for undating one’s own knowledge
and from 2 days ago..same interviewer
Plus she is a great story teller. I have listened to maybe a dozen of her recent, game-changing interviews. All of them shocking (the content) and heart-warming (her energy, modesty, truthfulness and spirit).
Let us not forget: The USA is a corporation. Every city, commune, school board, etc. are companies. Everything is run by corporations in our times. Even wars and false-flags like 9/11 and ISIS.
Two good videos on this topic:
Sofia Smallstorm on SGT Report >>
Anita Whitney on SGT Report >>
What a sharpie researcher. She appears fearless.
Those flight attendants in the hangar sending a cryptic message of the man and the ladder, if true, is also very ingenious.
Methodical deception on the one hand and mass psychosis on the other. Thanks.
Dear Ghassan Kadi,
Yes – “This now truly marks the end of the Ataturk era. Out with the old and in with the new”. That sums up the Erdogan era. He is now taking out his rivals.
As you say – “If Turkish people have decided to side with Islamism and all that comes with it, they will need to be ready for the consequences, domestically, regionally and internationally, courtesy of Erdogan-Style Democracy”.
Exactly – the 49% who voted for the AKP have sided with Islamism will reap what they have sown. Especially those who helped finance it by trading IS oil etc. They made that choice, knowing where it could lead.
The question this then raises is what about the other 51% who didn’t vote AKP? – they didn’t choose this path. Will this eventually lead to a Turkish civil war?
Erdogan going against Russia, Iran and potentially China will have dire economic consequences.
“Turkish warplanes have bombed Kurdish rebel bases in Turkey and northern Iraq, the army said Tuesday, as the government ruled out an immediate resumption of stalled peace talks.
“Shelters, caves and arms depots identified as being used by terrorists from the separatist terrorist organisation were destroyed with air bombardments,” the military said.
Monday’s air strikes targeted bases of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in the Kurdish-dominated southeastern province of Hakkari near the Iraqi border, as well as several regions in northern Iraq including their main stronghold on Qandil mountain.
The latest army operation was launched just after the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan swept back to power in Sunday’s election.
The government launched a new air war against the PKK after militant attacks in July, shattering a fragile 2013 truce aimed at ending three decades of bloody conflict.
Deputy Prime Minister Yalcin Akdogan said conditions were not yet ripe to revive peace talks.
“For us to say the peace process has started, the factors poisoning this process should be removed,” he said in an interview with NTV television.
Akdogan however declined to give a direct answer when asked if the state would start talking with jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, saying certain conditions must be fulfilled.
“The PKK’s departure from Turkey, a state of inactivity in the full sense… only after that can other issues be discussed.” ”
Turkey strikes Kurd rebel bases, rules out new talks
I wonder how effective that is for the Turks.Since according to all the reports we read the US is supporting the same Kurds that Turkey is busy bombing.I can’t see the US sitting still for that if it was really hurting the Kurds.And you’d think the Kurds would be screaming for the US to stop the Turks.There are also some reports of the Kurds talking to the Russians about aid.I wonder if one of the reasons for that is dissatisfaction over the US failing to rein in the Turks.It would seem to me it might be time for Russia to try and get the Kurds on their side.And split them from the US control. (Not sure if that’s possible,but worth a try.)
The trouble is that it costs Turkey nothing to misbehave. Like the US, they bomb w total impunity. What could be devised that wd hurt Erdogan’s grip on power, rather than harm the Turkish people?
Is there anything Russia can threaten him with? Oil/gas cut-off is no good cuz Russia needs the income. She already set up a “mission” in Russia for the PKK, just after Erdogan visited Moscow for the opening of that huge mosque. Hard to think of anything that wd make him close the terrorists’ supply line. I feel pretty sure US cd control him if they wanted to, but how can Russia?
They or the Syrians cd shoot down his planes over Syria, but that won’t stop the supply-line. I’m stumped. Can you think of anything?
“Russia puts brakes on Turkey’s truck traffic”
October 28, 2015
Oh it is costing Turkey plenty already… There is no question that Russia will win in Syria, winning only means they can block or allow who they want to do business. The US seems to be trying to carve out a region to allow their own dealings but I am sure Russia is doing everything to block this.. I doubt the US will succeed here.. Hence Turkey is taking a very big chance and their entire future on the line. I see Israel has done a full turn and is siding with Russia openly. If people don’t see that it is only because they are prejudiced.. Hamas is on the side of erdo which makes them against what I want to see happen. This is business.. It is not politics or rights of the people.. I believe once business happens, the people will benefit.. So I can see that Israel wont have a choice but to also give some of what they gain to the population they oppress.. I highly doubt Putin will ignore such things, he was trying to do the same thing with erdo, trying to make him see the benefits of business.. But erdo tried to have his cake and then stab Putin in the back.. With Israel so firmly on the side of Russia, I am surprised erdo is still moaning.. He is as crooked as they come.. Still he stands to make a lot more money siding with Russia.. But ego is a terrible thing for us humans, when our delusions of grandeur gets smacked down we pout and now erdo will not ever call putin..
This is where the pain of another kind comes in.. Turkey benefited enormously in every way the last few years.. That is another pain that is already hitting.. Also remember, Israel wants to join the EEC and applied to fast track that.. Turkey also wants to join but that ego is still getting in the way.. Sooner or later one kind of pain will eclipse the other.. All we can do is wait.. There is always another one who will want to take advantage of the situation.. All the troubles in Georgia is because of their own gas reserves discovery recently.. Russia seems to be in there as well.. Its ALL business.. erdo better shape up fast.. things are easier if he plays along but it is not the end.. It would be terribly said if turkey is left out in the cold.. It will be surrounded by enemies on all sides.. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Georgia, Armenia, Greece.. If they make Russia an enemy they are truly pucked.. You need a special kind of talent to grab defat from the jaws of victory..
great video on the SAA taking over a previously IS/Terrorist controlled area and doing the grunt work of clearing mines, etc
“However, if the elections were not rigged, and if the Turkish people have indeed decided to side with Islamic fundamentalism, then this constitutes a much more serious problem.”
Unfortunately, the problem is indeed serious….
Since no one believed that the election would be honnest, an association has been created a couple years ago (Oy ve Ötesi = Votes and Beyond) and volonteers try to control the election process since then. Over 60.000 turkish citizens from all political sides were present in a vast majority of the voting booths. The result has been published and the verdict is pretty clear. Peanuts : over 40 million voters and 10.000 errors/rigged/faulty votes…
So no, the elections were either not rigged or Erdogan has outsmarted everyone and in both cases he deserves the result he got :(
Too bad for the country and the people who live in it and do not like this kind of “democraty” :(
The question of whether the voting was rigged is indeed serious, and unanswered. I disagree with SysATI that the Oy ve Ötesi reports are authoritative. I’m certain they made sure there was no egregious rigging, but ballot-stuffing is far from the only way to steal an election. For a large and relatively wealthy country such as Turkey, with “deep state” strands from both sides of the Turkish political divide, it would be fairly easy to infiltrate, monitor, and simply side-step the controls used to monitor the elections.
I could be completely wrong; election surprises certainly occur naturally in many localities. However, it has been my experience that if something smells rotten in Denmark, 9 out of 10 times it is. And this outcome doesn’t past the smell test. All sides of the political spectrum and their affiliated media organs roundly predicted an AKP defeat, most importantly the AKP themselves. The polls were simply too numerous and consistent. Would millions of people have a change of heart on the eve of the election? Would the Kurdish population, who turned out in droves months ago, decide to stay home after Erdogan brazenly called off the truce and restarted the war against their cultural compatriots? Wouldn’t common sense dictate that more Kurds, and Turks, would move away from the AKP in the wake of renewed hostilities?
Populations can be whipped into nationalistic frenzies, undoubtedly. But the speed and numbers needed to do so to secure a legitimate AKP victory is borderline incredulous. And the fact that this sea-change is doubted by every opposition party, and many AKP supporters as well, doesn’t bode well for its veracity.
I’ve been trying to make sense of the Russian plane crash in Egypt.And I’am really having trouble with it.(BTW another Russian crewed plane crashed in South Sudan today.No connection,that I know of with the other one.But still,that is strange. There seem to be 3 theories circulating about the crash. 1,it was an accident,and somehow the plane just malfunctioned. This is the one supported (so far) by both Egypt and Russia. 2.That “somehow” the terrorists brought it down.Why they would want to is obvious.But a “how”, so far is very unclear.This theory,is pushed by the terrorists themselves.But also seemingly by the US and UK. 3.Internet theories that Israel,the US,or NATO is responsible.As to number 1,its probably the most likely.But “still” evidence is mounting against it.I can see why Egypt wants that theory to be accepted.Otherwise their tourism business is in horrible trouble.And tourism is around 20% of Egypt’s economy.For Russia,if it is terrorism (and depending on the source) they will be forced by public opinion to take action.And if foreign actors are involved we could be talking a World war.So Russia really does want the accident theory to be the one that is proved accurate.As for number 2,the reasons Russia and Egypt want the accident theory to be true,are the very reasons from the other end the terrorists and West want the attack theory to be true.The terrorists can gloat that they are strong enough to hurt Russia.And hope Russians will blame Putin for getting them involved in the ME.The Western powers if partly involved probably think they have hidden their involvement well.And know Russia won’t expose them unless the proof is so strong everyone is talking about it. And there is no way to keep it quiet.As to number 3,its very doubtful any Western military (or Israel) shot it down.Sabotage,on board is another story.But still if they did do it.They would have hidden the evidence really deep.The internet stories seem to be false so far.This is a complicated problem.Where the victims potentially won’t want to know the truth (publicly).And the possible guilty parties want at least a part of the truth out.A very,very,troublesome problem.
A good aviation forum here – http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/569907-breaking-news-airliner-missing-within-egyptian-fir-35.html
All photos of wreckage are being collected and discussed, a few theories tossed about.
Flightradar24 GPS data was most interesting.
Barametric pressure readings (altitude) were a regular climb until 30925ft. At 04:13:13 there is a sudden blip of high pressure equal to a drop in altitude of 250ft. After this pressure altitude readings are all over the place, but GPS rate of climb shows the aircraft starting to nose over into a dive.
Somebody on the forum has made a graph, though this does not seem to include the ground speed.
At the end of the flight radar data the combination of rate of climb and ground speed show a very steep dive though still well below VNE speed for the aircraft.
The other GPS data was heading. this shows the aircraft veering to the right until the 8 second mark from the initial pressure blip and the returning close to its original heading.
At this point I again looked at the “ISIS” video. At the start of the video the camera appears to be behind and slightly to the left of the aircraft track. In the video after the initial blast the smoke trail also indicates the camera is behind and to the left of the aircraft. However at the 8 second mark from the blast, the camera is in direct line to the smoke trail. This matches the data from flightradar exactly.
Also the steepening dive that is indicated by the data. When the plane is first seen in the video, it is difficult to see the wings as the camera is behind and looking at the thickness of the wing rather than upper or lower surfaces. As the video progresses, the silhouette of the wing becomes clearer as the plane starts to nose over into a dive.
The other thing which had first caught my attention was the lack of fuel fire on the ground and the huge smoke trail left by the plane in the video. I watched this again and in the last few seconds of the video the smoke trail seems to become much smaller as the the fuel feeding it is nearly depleted.
Flightradar24 data runs for 26 seconds from the first pressure blip. The ISIS video runs for approx 1 minute from the explosion. The aircraft heading that can be seen by the smoke trail match flightradar data very closely
Flightradear site here http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/metrojet-9268-extended-mode-s-data-decoded/ the data needs to be downloaded as a spreadsheet.
video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Vj-A6KVxA
“Britain on Wednesday cited the likely possibility of an explosive device as the cause of the crash, but made no mention of any group that may have been responsible.
“We have concluded that there is a significant possibility that the crash was caused by an explosive device on board the aircraft,” Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, said after a meeting of the government’s crisis response committee chaired by Prime Minister David Cameron.”
In the linked article it mentions the forensic testing for explosives. A thought on this is that 20 tons of fuel have washed out of the aircraft before it hit the ground, possibly making explosive traces harder to find.
Mods, I submitted a reply to UB1 but it has not appeared in the next batch of comments that were posted. Was there a problem with my comment, or is there a glitch somewhere?
Could you be a bit more specific regarding the comment please Peter? I’m not aware of any glitches, and I have not trashed anything. If you could tell me the thread the comment was sent to and the opening words I could more accurately check. mod PS
All ok PS. The post has appeared now. I may have clicked on the page as comments were being posted
That’s good. Thanks for letting me know. PS
Global Research reports war games US, Israel, Greece, Poland were taking place in the Nava desert between October 30 and November 3:
The pilot saw a drone in the path, which is why he tried to climb so fast.. The drone ruptured the fuel tank and caused a fire and the pilot lost control.. There are a lot of drones in the area could also have been part of the exercise going on less than 60 km from the crash site.. I do think this was an accident caused by no one communicating anything with anyone else and the braking of the world order where everyone does as they wish and not respecting sovereignty of other nations.. Could also have been an Egyptian drone.. Or an Israeli one even.. So no sabotage or IS or what ever. but in every case I look at, there can be only one response. Depending on the cause, behind the scenes there will be repercussions and those will be held responsible and be made to pay. Others are also stuck.. Even if they had nothing to do with anything, IF they do things to complicate matters now, they better think because the law of retroactive repercussions comes into play where something you do in the future makes you responsible for something that has already happened.. because you do not want to see a replay of something that has happened.. The cause is not important.. only that something like that never happens again..
It is very doubtful that the plane gained any altitude at the beginning of the disaster. Flightradar have put out a statement that pressure altitude readings must be considered inaccurate due to the nature of the crash.
Only the GPS data can be used and that may not be 100% accurate. See my above post for link to flightradar24.
Thank you, Ghassan, I’ve learned a lot from you. If the attraction were Islamism I would expect to see a change in dress on the streets. Certainly a portion of the changed vote (if the count is correct) must be the desire for a strong leader when they know that the US/UK/NATO wants to break up their country. They don’t really have a strong alternative to vote for, do they?
Attention moderator: My first attempted response has disappeared. I have done my best best to reconstruct and expand upon my previous arguments, without presumption.
“Nearly one hundred years ago, Ataturk has set the foundations of the Turkish Republic, and Turkey was no longer a waning great Empire better known then as “The Sick Man of Asia”. A fresh new republic emerged…”
“Ataturk was a soldier before he became a politician. He had full faith and trust in the military, and he therefore decided that the military should have the upper hand over politicians and be the national watchdog.”
“…Erdogan has used the democratic process in order to take power away from the army and political rivals and give more power and autocracy to himself.”
There is a lot to unpack in this article. I disagree with Kadi’s characterization of Attaturk’s Republic, describing it as ‘fresh’ and ‘new’ in its day. For a good historical overview, I refer to the following piece by Wayne Masden at Strategic Culture.org. I strongly encourage everyone to read both parts.
The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Parts I & II)
The positive, idealized characterization of the militarily dominated Attaturk Republic has no basis in reality. At best it was stable, providing a foundation on which Turkey could later build a more modern economy. Readers who wish to understand the history of Turkey and how it is unfolding in the present context must familiarize themselves with important terms like Erkenegon and the Dönmeh. They should also be aware of Erdogan’s early alliance with the CIA sponsered Muslim Brotherhood and Gullen network, now broken off. This is key to disentangling the present disposition of factions and forces.
It is difficult to argue that taking power away from the Turkish military by Democratic means is somehow illegitimate. Politics is a dirty business in Turkey and everywhere else but AKP tactics, though unquestionably nasty, were always in response to equally nasty behaviour on the part of their opponents. Aggressive attempts to overthrow the highly popular AKP government of Erdogan have been underway since at least 2003. Before 2003, the Turkish military lacked sufficient public or international support to challenge the popular AKP regime. After 2003, efforts to undermine Erdogan have been guided first by Israel (most notably just before, during and after the Mavi Marmara incident), then joined by Erdogan’s former allies in the CIA-Gullen network, plus NATO and other Zionist-Atlanticist supporters of Turkey’s formerly powerful semi-secret military clique. More knowledgeable readers will already know the relationship between the Turkish military, Gladio and NATO’s stay behind armies meant to terrorize Europeans into submission via the Strategy of Tension.
In other words, Erdogan and the AKP, at least initially, represented an Islamic Democratic movement against a foreign sponsered cabal of brutal and extremely corrupt Turkish generals who were themselves part of the system by which NATO managed and controlled all of Western Europe including Turkey.
You also write:
“With the state of Israel in existence, a state that bases itself on a Zionist-Talmudic interpretation that gives some of the descendants of Abraham a form of superiority, some Levantine states and ideologies countered the Zionist argument by adopting a similar, but opposite, argument that is based on Fundamentalist-Islamic rights instead of Zionist-Jewish rights.”
This is a highly convoluted interpretation of what the AKP and Erdogan represent to the people who vote AKP. It is AKP Turkey’s enemies, most of all Israel and their salafist proxies, who represent the most virulent version of supremacist doctrine, on display daily in head chopper videos and the savage occupation of Palestine.
This does not absolve Erdogan of his foolish and crimminal direct support for ISIS and his responsibilty for the destruction it has wrought in Syria. The point is that Turkish voters did not vote AKP because they want to support ISIS and recreate the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps some do but they are relatively few in number.
Over all this is an immensely complicated situation requiring extensive knowledge and almost infinite nuance. If our objective is to understand the present situation and help reveal the choices faced by world leaders including Putin, then we have to be far more thoughtful and delicate in our interpretations.
Continuing, I find the following paragraph highly egregious since it is itself an obvious example of the democratic-supremacist thinking so common in the West:
“..but the Erdogan-Style Democracy has definitely demonstrated new and unprecedented flaws in democratic systems, ones that have not been seen in Western-Style Democarcies; or at least not yet.”
Turkish Democracy may be different but it is hardly inferior to the technocratic fascism parading as Democracy existant in the West. I’m sure you’re aware of the recent coup d’etat in Portugal. Neither banker-controlled Italy nor Tsipras controlled Greece gives a rat’s arse about the will of the people. There are a multitude of examples of technocratic regimes posing as Democracies across the Western world. The word ‘Democracy’ is a bumper sticker used to confuse clouded Western minds. It is used by people seeking to delegitimize leaders they don’t like and Erdogan, for all his many faults, is one such example.
Frankly, representitive democratic systems are as they were always meant to be: on the one hand concealing while on the other hand legitimating absolute oligarchical control. I doubt it has been otherwise since the days of the French Revolution. In this or in any other respect, Turkey is no different from anything found in the West or for that matter Russia.
The disintegration of Donmeh-Attaturkism is no big loss, certainly not if you claim to favour Democracy. While I don’t cheer Islamist opportunist Erdogan, the practical differences will be negligible. If anything this seems like a natural evolution: a new Turkey for a new multupolar world order. No longer is the Rothschilds middle east colony Israel a lone regional superpower and I judge this is all for the good. Over all it’s a mixed bag but nothing Erdogan represents is necessarily against the ideals rhetorically espoused by Russia.
The blame for ISIS goes firstly to Israel and their Zio-Atlanticist kith and kin. Erdogan got suckered into their diabolical plan, willingly to be sure, but he was in no way the primary driver of events. Regime change operations against the AKP have gone on for years but only recently, when it became clear he was immovable, did Merkel make pilgramge to the Sultan. If anything Merkel could see the writing on the wall and so now it is the Russian turn to make an offer of their own — perhaps one that compliments the offer made by Merkel leading towards the eventual creation of a Eurasian Union from Lisbon to Vladivostok plus the South China Sea.
With all of the above put into consideration, I predict Erdogan will be in a position to take the best offer made to him in forthcoming negotiations. Although this process could last for years, the best offer can only be made by the alliance represented by Russia, China and Iran.
A perfect victory for Russia requires that Turkey be turned toward the Eurasian Union plus China and all this while ISIS is dismantled. Erdogan is just the man to accomplish the task and without him it would be next to impossible.
Erdogan is a wild card but I sincerely doubt Putin’s Russia will allow that card to be played to the advantage of the Zionist-Atlanticists.
All in all, there is reason for cautious optimism.
C I eh?
Thanks for such a clear and comprehensive post on the Turkey result. Especially your provision of historical context – it makes a lot of sense.
In my travels to make sense of Russian-Turkish relations – absolutely crucial for EurAsian success , I came across this article
It is an essay on Kazahkistan’s historical and cultural relationship to Russia and and the Ottoman Empire. I wonder what, if any , strategic role it plays in the EurAsian scheme of things and if Rus-Turkic differences could be bridged here?
If you have the time, would like to know what you think.
You too Uncle Bob.
Thank you Eimar and also for the link which highlights both the conflict and opportunity for cooperation between Russia and Turkey in Central Asia.
It is extremely noteworthy that the interaction between Old Russia and the Turkic world is roughly 1500 years old. Obviously the relationship has evolved considerably over that period but the Turkic world, as envisioned by the Erkenegon mythos favoured by Erdogan is outside of and in partial conflict with the Russian civilizational model. It is also in partial conflict with the aspirations of most Central Asians not to mention China, something we ought to keep in mind.
I recall Russia recently began blocking Turkish truck traffic into Central Asia, almost certainly because it was being used as a conduit to transport arms and combatants to places like Khazakstan, Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, etc. This tactic is in keeping with the shrewd Russian response to Western sanctions which always highlight the benefits of working with instead of against Mother Russia.
As I’ve hinted in my initial post and just repeated, Russia and Turkey have a great deal in common and havng a strong leader in Turkey not entirely beholden to the West is an immense potential strategic advantage for the Russians. Imagine if instead we were saddled with a Turkish leader in the image of other EU leaders or like former Thatcher clone Tansu Çiller.
Russia needs to offer Turkey something more than pipelines or low cost energy if they are to turn the Turks away from the Zio-Atlanticist alliance and towards the Eurasian Union. Central Asia is the place where much can be accomplished to mutual benefit of all concerned parties.
Against which the Empire can only offer the promise of misery and mayhem of the kind now filtering back and forth across Turkey’s border with the Levant. The question then is how does Turkey wish to proceed. Will they pursue a highly risky strategy and seek to wrestle away these various stans by violent means or is it better they work with Russia and China to balance their respective influence.
The more sane choice and the only one both Turkey and Central Asia’s Turkic peoples are likely to benefit from invloves cooperating with Russia. I think this fits perfectly with the Eurasian, if not the Civilizational model proffered by Russia. Whether Erdogan is in a position to pursue this depends upon his current relationship to the people who have repeatedly tried to overthrow his government.
Erdogan is a liability for the Empire and I am certain he understands this perfectly, whatever they may threaten or offer. Assuming he is prepared to lead in this direction and that he is capable of sustaining his political base, it seems Russia is in an overwhelmingly better position at the outset of negotiations vis a vis the West.
Salam C I eh?,
Excellent. Iran, Turkey and Russia will always remain friends.
If Turkish people have decided to side with Islamism and all that comes with it, they will need to be ready for the consequences, domestically, regionally and internationally, courtesy of Erdogan-Style Democracy.
Islamism and Islamist have negative connotation, and is associated with ISIL. I am not sure what to think that those who voted for Erdoğan are Islamist. There is difference between modest hijab and niqab (ninja style).
In Europe the radical niqab was allowed. But, due to Mr. Ataturk, the Muslims in Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, …. were not even allowed the modest hijab.
And, now the Turks are called, Islamist.
Will they? Turkey,has fought war after war with both Russia and Iran for hundreds of years.I don’t recall whenever they were “friends”.They “tolerated” each other sometimes,but friendship is another matter.And their differences (they claim/claimed each others territory) are very great.
One of the interesting facts I’ve noticed in modern days is the representation of the US and French Revolutions as “democratic” revolutions.True compared to the regimes they were “more” democratic.But they were a far cry from what we (or even the ancients) would think of as democratic.Many scholars in my early years had it right when they labeled them as “bourgeoisie” revolutions.But over the years new writers have somewhat “spun” them into “democratic” revolutions.The old order they replaced was governed in many places by “rule by birth”.You were the leaders because your birth status gave you the right to rule.And though some “common folk” could join the ruling order.They were few,and the exception,not the rule.What those revolutions did was only to open the ruling classes to rule by wealth instead of birth alone.It gave the wealthy non-nobles,and upper-middle classes,a change to join the nobility as the ruling elite.The real “people” the peasantry and laboring classes were still the under-classes.And if anything probably suffered as much oppression as before.Only by a different set of elites.Their only “gains” were in some countries the end of serfdom (which gave the new elites the ability to gain their lands without the age old restrictions serfdom forced on the nobility under the old system).And the ability “if” they were one of the extremely few to become wealthy themselves to be able to join the new elite.But for the 99% of the common people,they saw no improvements during those revolutions.It would take the next couple of hundred years for their lots to see improvement,if they did at all. Today we see the results of those “revolutions”,where the “moneyed elites” rule,basically unchallenged around the World under the guise of “democracy”.So that bought “elected” Presidents and PM’s have replaced Kings.And belted “Barons” have been replaced by corporate “robber Barons” as our masters.I’m not sure the “ends justified the means” in this case.
please mister saker transmit the post ….. give the Hollywood a chance …. watch the movie of the heroes …….
As a tourist, one’s perspective is limited, but in my visit in 2012, I did notice a few of things. Our tour guide did not approve of Erdogan and said as such. In our stay in Cappadocia, Islamic prayers were broadcasted over loudspeakers — said to be a recent development. One group of people ( secularists? hospitality industry?) would cut the wires and another group would repair the damage. This went on back and forth. The one time I got the the evil eye was when in a nearly empty restaurant in Konya, I was talking about the crazy US ME policy — something I really know nothing about. The man giving the look was 20 feet or so away, had a white beard and was wearing a safari-type get up.
@Erdogan going against Russia, Iran and potentially China
I am afraid that this is the real reason behind the “victory” of Erdogan. It was in preparation for long. Perhaps even since the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood (by the British Intelligence) whose role was to revert the progressive wave that swept the Dar al-Islam in the wake of WWI, and to restore the Caliphate (the Hizb ut-Tahrir sprung into existence in due time, in the wake of WWII).
Unfortunately, the majority of Muslims in the Middle-East and around the world are completely lost, because they have abandoned the true teachings of their God, their prophet and their book.
In Islam, there is no such thing as “Islamism”, “Islamic parties” or “Islamists”.
In Islam, the concept of “Islamic political parties” operating within a secular, parliamentary, so called “sovereign” nation state with a constitution written by humans, does not exist.
These means that the Muslim Brotherhood and Erdogan, and any of these types of people/parties are operating outside the laws of Islam.
Traditional political concepts in Islam include leadership by elected or selected successors to the Prophet known as Caliphs, the importance of following Islamic law or Sharia; the duty of rulers to seek Shura or consultation from their subjects; and the importance of rebuking unjust rulers.
The elected Khilafa and the Sharia only apply to the land of Muslims, and not outside it…..The Western nations and Orthodox Christian nations do whatever they like, and Muslims are by Sharia law itself, are not allowed to interfere in those nations laws.
The head chopping corrupt and evil ISIL type of people are extremists who not only operate outside the laws of Islam, but are actual enemies of all Muslims.
So you see….all these groups in the Middle-East (whether religion or secular) are slaves to the West in one form or another, ever since their countries have been chopped up by their colonial masters.
I cannot stop wondering at the naivety of statements trying to exonerate Islam and the teachings of Mahomed for the appalling crimes committed in their names.
Do you feel the same about crimes committed by Christians or Jews.I don’t see Christian churches or politicians jumping up and condemning those people,over and over.They seem to think that “of course” people know they don’t represent all Christians.And yet with Muslims you think it should be different.That every day or so they should condemn crimes falsely committed in their name.There shouldn’t be some “double-standard” here.No “religion” encourages horrible crimes in their name.Those committing those crimes,may think they are true believers in religion.But their committing crimes alone,show that they aren’t.You’d think by now after,Crusades,Inquisitions,30 years wars,Balkan Wars,Colonialism’s,WWI and WWII,Israeli Wars.,Iraq Invasion,etc,etc.That I wouldn’t need to remind anyone that Muslims are no more guilty of crimes than are Christians and Jews,but it appears I do.
It is different with Moslems. It is Mahomedanism only that proclaims jihad as a sacred obligation for every Moslem. The prophet of Islam said that he had “been called to FIGHT all men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.” The goal of Islam is the rule of Islam.
Turkey is a clear and present threat that must be smashed into pieces.
To show the imperial delusions of the Turkish regime, read Wayne Madsen’s article below about how Sultan Ergodan has ambitions to create a Turkic/pan-Turanian Empire spanning much of the Eurasian landmass from the Balkans to Japan no less!
Essentially, Turkey’s Pan-Turanian Empire oh-so-conveniently dovetails with America’s designs to subjugate Eurasia by sowing ethnic division and promoting local satraps as stooges throughout this continent.
This is where America’s imperial Lead-From-Behind strategy mates with Turkey’s Pan-Turanian Empire.
It’s Turkish-American Imperialism with a thinly disguised soul of ethno-racialist supremacy–much like another racialist ideology from the 1930/40s..
“In the minds of the pan-Turanians, any race not descended from the ancient Turks who were led out of the Ergenekon Valley of Mongolia by «Asena,» the mother grey wolf» from whom all Turanids owe their existence, are not equal to the racially superior «grey wolf» peoples. The youth movements of many pan-Turanian political parties, including the Turkish Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) and the Bozkurt Movement of Azerbaijan, use the «grey wolf» as their symbol. The inherent racial superiority notions of the pan-Turanians was noted with interest by Adolf Hitler’s historians and was a major reason for Nazi Germany to attempt to make common cause with Turkey under Ataturk.”
Welcome to «Erdoganstan»: Bosna Hersek to Mongolistan
A quick reminder that the Khazars were a Turkish tribe also!
Hmmm,and I always was taught it was Turkey’s prime geographic location and history of being pro-German that was why Hitler was interested in them.
C I eh?
” It (Turkish neo-Ottomanism ) is also in partial
conflict with the aspirations of most Central
Asians not to mention China, something we
ought to keep in mind. ”
Thanks for the very illuminating response. I wonder if Erdo is beginning to realise that? And that Turkey is exceptionally well-placed to benefit from a Eurasian pivot, and as a hub between Europe, Iran and China?
Maybe this is a sign of ‘enlightenment’?
@Turkey is a clear and present threat
What follows is just confirmation of what I said in my previous post. And notice the date of the statements:
“Turkish intelligence chief: Putin’s intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future
Top News , 18 October 2015 ”
“Ankara— Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.
Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President’s staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to ‘smother’ Syria’s Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.
“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin’s plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.
Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.
Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.
Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey’s Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.
Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor’s infamous Ottoman Empire”.
In the Middle East there are generally 3 ways of ruling.
1) Authoritarian secular ( Ataturk, Shah of Iran, Mobarak, Saddam Hossein) DOOMED
2) Authoritarian military ( Egypt, Sudan, Algeria,Syria ..)
3) Authoritarian religious ( Iran, Morocco, Saudi Arabia …)
Historically, an authoritarian system based on religion has shown to be the hardest to counter or overthrow. Erdogan is now moving Turkey into that style of ruling to ensure his continuous power.
Since Erdogan is Islamist before being either Turkmen or democrat, siding with the Jihadis makes sense, although it is a betrayal of both Turkey and democracy.
The first thing that needs to be understood regarding this comment is that there are Honest Christians in the Europe who do not Repress their Fellow Human Beings, and who do not commit Injustices against their Fellow Human Beings, and who have no thoughts or intentions to commit Evil against their Fellow Human Beings, and then there are the Catholics of Europe.
There are some Muslim Countries in the World who do not Repress their Fellow Human Beings, and who do not commit Injustices against their Fellow Human Beings, and who have no thoughts or intentions to commit Evil against their Fellow Human Beings, and then there are the Muslims in Europe, and the mention of Countries refers to the Leaders of those Countries and most of the People of those Countries, while there are Citizens of every Race in Europe who are Objective with regards to the Facts, and All Leaders of Every Country Know the Facts mentioned in this comment.
This comment contains some information Proving that Germany and Catholicism in the Europe wants to use Islam in the Europe as their Secret Army for the Fourth Reich, and this is why Germany, and other Catholics support the Muslim Kosovo Albanians with their attempts to make Serbia’s Southern Province Independent.
Islam in Europe is being used as a Political Movement that is Independent of Law and of Democracy, and even in Opposition to Law and Democracy, and so there could be People who think that the European Union is Safer and Better Off without Catholicism and Islam in the Europe.
We know that the European Union President wants the European Union to Establish its own Army, and it is mainly Catholic Europe centered around the Germanic and Nordic Peoples who wish to Dominate the rest of Europe, and they are the Allies of the Muslim Albanians, and Muslim Bosnians in Europe, and France is pressured by Catholic Europe to follow Germanic and Nordic Europe.
We can see why the Catholic Countries of the European Union Act the way they do, and it is because, as European Catholics, they Love Evil, at http://itccs.org/2015/08/27/stopping-the-war-criminal-called-pope-francis-a-call-to-action-to-all-americans/ , and at https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/once-the-ustasha-archbishop-stepinac-is-canonized-he-becomes-an-official-catholic-saint/ .
An Example of this, is how Pope John Paul 2 beatified a Nazi War Criminal who was the Catholic Archbishop Stepinac of Croatia and the current Pope wants to make this Mass Murderer a Saint, and the Video is Titled: Nazi War Criminal and Roman Catholic Cardinal Stepinac at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulHep8Saxok .
We know that Muslim Turkey is Guilty of several Genocides, and the one we hear of most of is the Armenian Genocide of 1915, and Turkey committed Genocides on Greeks and on others.
The Catholics in Europe are also Guilty of Genocide in Europe, and they wish to continue committing Genocide in Europe.
A Video of what the Catholic Church did under the Discreet and Evil Direction of the beatified Archbishop Stepinac in one part of Non Catholic Europe is Titled: Jasenovac – Cruelest Death Camp in WW2 (English subtitles) (WARNING — NOT CENSORED) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513VOo5P63Y .
We can see how the Radical Muslims of some of the Muslim Countries behave, and it needs to be said that not all Muslim Countries are Radical Fundamentalist Muslims, like the Radical Fundamentalist Muslims Countries like Bosnia and Albania in Europe, at http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/if-a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words-3/ .
The Croatians of the former Yugoslavia, and the Albanian Muslims, and the Muslims of Bosnia were the Allies of Hitler and of European Catholics, and they were involved in Genocide of Serbs and Jews in WW 2, and today the Muslims of Bosnia and the Muslim Kosovo Albanians are continuing their Cultural and Physical Genocide of the Serbian People which they began decades ago.
I think that if the beatified Archbishop Stepinac had the Technology of today, and if he was able to Genetically Engineer Lethal Viruses and discover Vaccines to these and Only Vaccinate Catholics, then the Pope would have proclaimed Archbishop Stepinac a Saint, and the Catholic Church has the Money for this Research in Secret Underground Laboratories, and we do not know what Secret Research Turkey and Saudi Arabia are conducting on Genetically Engineered Lethal Viruses.
The World can Cope with a few Worthless Human Beings who happen to be ordinary People, but the World cannot survive if too Many of the Leaders of the more significant Countries of the World are Worthless People.
The World’s Leaders including the Turkish People Know that Turkey committed Genocides, and Turkey has not as yet Admitted and Apologized for its Genocides, and All Worthwhile Leaders of the World have long ago Acknowledged these Facts.
We know that Worthless Leaders of Countries are a Real Danger to this Planet, and All Leaders of the Countries of the World Know that it is Illegal for Serbia’s Province of Kosovo to join UNESCO, because of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and Contrary to Euro-American Lies and Propaganda, it is Euro-America who is Guilty and Slobodan Milosevic and Serbia are Innocent, and the Article is Titled: Why Albanians Fled During NATO Bombing at http://www.antiwar.com/rep/jared3.html .
The recent Turkish Elections gave Turkey a Muslim Government, and we will see how Turkey might Vote on Kosovo joining UNESCO, given that it is Illegal for Kosovo to join UNESCO, because of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and it is also Immoral for Kosovo to join UNESCO.
The Religious People say that the Correct Way to Define Proper Conduct is with what is known as the Golden Rule.
“Do to others as you would have them do to you” (Luke 6:31).
All Countries want other Countries to Obey International Law for them, but many Catholic European Union Countries, and many Muslim Countries, think that they are Above the Law, and Above Human Norms.
Muslim Turkey has a Kurdish Minority that wants Independence, because they do not have their own Country of Kurdistan, and there are over 5,000 Races or Ethnic Groups on this Planet, but there are less than 200 Countries.
Muslim Turkey does not want to give the Kurdish People their own Country, but Turkey wants to make Serbia’s Province of Kosovo become an Independent Country, and unlike the Kurds, the Albanians already have a Country called Albania, even though no one is objecting to them being in neighbouring Countries, and the UNESCO Vote on Kosovo will be a Test of who practices Proper Worthwhile Conduct.
There are People who wonder why much of the European Union is the way it is, and it is because much of the European Union is dominated by Catholic Countries.
“They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good” (Titus 1:16).
Catholics and Muslims Know that Illegally changing borders, or Pressuring Nations to change their borders against their will is both a Sin against God and a Sin against People, and these things are Wrong even to Non Religious People who have a Conscience.
“You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour. You shall not covet your neighbour’s house. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour” (Exodus 20:13-17).
“Cursed is he who moves his neighbour’s boundary mark. And all the people shall say, Amen” (Deuteronomy 27:17).
“Do not move the ancient boundary which your fathers have set” (Proverbs 22:28).
The Catholics have read the following Scriptures, and so they understand that God wants People to worship Him in the Boundaries of their Country, and in a non-racist manner.
“And He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, For we also are His children” (Acts 17:26-28).
Poland has a Catholic Government, and Turkey has a Muslim Government, and we will see if they and others will reflect Proper Worthwhile Conduct regarding the UNESCO Vote on Kosovo, and History has shown us that the Catholic Countries like Croatia, Germany, and others where the Most Guilty during WW 2, and Turkey should Confess to Committing Genocide on the Armenian People and on the Greeks, and the Video is Titled: The Armenian Genocide at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A1emayyhmI .
Former Director-General of UNESCO Federico Mayor opposes Kosovo’s membership in UNESCO, and the News Article is on the B 92 Website, and it is Titled: Former UNESCO chief against Kosovo’s membership at http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=10&dd=26&nav_id=95832 .
The Ottoman Empire of the past, and Muslim Albanians of today have Proved what Europe will experience if they allow Catholicism and Islam to remain in the European Union at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania , and at http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp .
The European Union has Refugees from the Middle East, because the European Union Leaders did not speak up against America’s Illegal and Immoral Wars in the Middle East.
People can see the Terrible Situation in Syria created by America and other Terrorists at https://www.google.com.au/search?q=syrian+war&biw=1120&bih=639&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIoOj2v8HnyAIVgS2mCh1GzQeB , and there is a News Article on the Your Middle East Website and it is Titled: “The war has turned Syria into a country of poor people” at http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/news/the-war-has-turned-syria-into-a-country-of-poor-people_23976 .
There should be a comment there that I wrote on that News Article, and it covers only one aspect, and there are People who say that on Many Occasions Race trumps other considerations, and if we look at the Racist and Terrorist Albanians of Kosovo, and even other Races of the former Yugoslavia, then we can see that Race trumps any other possible considerations with the former Yugoslavia.
We know that no one wants to become a Refugee and leave their Possessions and their Country.
People love their Country, and so they do not want to leave their Country and make what is for Many a potentially perilous trip to seek Safety.
However, the Dangers that confront these People in their Country, makes being a Refugee the only option, given the Circumstances.
We have seen how Serbia has been admitted to the UNESCO Board for 4 years, and Serbia will be able to better monitor any future attempts by Kosovo to join UNESCO.
The Kosovo Albanians have gone back on the Agreement they signed with Brussels regarding the Community of Serb Municipalities for Kosovo,
It is my opinion that Serbia should give All Countries a more Diplomatic form of my other comment and what is relevant in this comment, and other arguments why Countries should support Serbia, because the Kosovo Albanians have said that they will try again to become a Member of UNESCO.
Wikipedia says: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN). Its purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through education, science, and culture to further universal respect for Justice, the Rule of Law, and Human Rights along with fundamental freedom proclaimed in the United Nations Charter. It is the heir of the League of Nations’ International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation.
We have seen that there has been No Justice or Rule of Law or Human Rights with regard to the Serbian People from Anglo-America and their Puppets, and from the European Union, and from Regions of the former Yugoslavia.
The League of Nations ceased to function, and this lead to WW 2, because Many Lawless Countries were doing Exactly the same as today, and in the past it was Hitler and Mussolini and others, and today the Lawless ones are Anglo-America and many Catholic European Countries and some other Countries.
We know that WW 2 only ended because International Law was once again Restored, and if WW 3 is to be avoided, then Lawlessness must be Rejected by All Countries.
It is Illegal for Kosovo to join UNESCO under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, which says that Kosovo is an Integral part of Serbia, and so we see how some Countries claim to Promote the Rule of Law, and do the exact Opposite.
The Muslim Albanians have driven away anyone who is not of their Race, and All of the Leaders of the World and UNESCO Know This, and they All Know that the situation has Not improved much since 1999 at http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo-and-systematic-persecution-by-kla/14528 .
The UNESCO Vote has Shown who are Honest and who are Lawless and who Disregard the United Nations Charter and who Disregard International Law, and it has Shown who are the Honest Countries.