by Thorsten J. Pattberg for The Saker Blog
This is Part 1 of a series
The easiest way to destroy a man in body and soul is to harm him in all ways and forms imaginable and claim it‘ll be good for him. This demonic logic, its inversion is telling him that doing good would actually be bad for him, creeps into our mammal brains through early childhood dreams.
In these particular childhood dreams, which all humans experience versions of, the paralyzed dreamer is the victim of a brutal injustice or a fatalistic accident; say he is being raped in the bushes or is being gradually squashed by a tank or cartwheel while a consolidating voice, maybe his mother or maybe a passer-by, is assuring him that “it’ll soon be over” and that “all will be fine.” This nightmare is the result of childhood trauma: an abusive experience, a great injustice, an incomprehensible horror… yet the world around us seems just fine with it!
All tyrants abuse their underlings‘ childhood traumas and tell them “it is for the best of you” and that “the pain goes away, I promise.” Only one more round of beating, one more war on terror, one more crackdown on dissidents, only one last state of emergency and we are through with it.
As adults we learn to cope. We tell ourselves that what does not kill us makes us stronger or that life is suffering anyway. If that’s what it is, and this experience is universally shared by most human beings, it follows that indeed we may inflict on each other the most horrible things and do not even need to pretend “it’s for your best,” because it goes without saying that it could not have been for anything otherwise.
Most readers will be aware of genocide, the destruction of a genus or group, and of homicide, the killing of a body. We know the many ways a group or a person can be eliminated: slowly through torture and poisoning, quickly through cuts, holes and strangling – murder! What remains a taboo in literature and the news though, is the various ways we are able to kill reason, logic and sanity – menticide!
This concise text will introduce to our distinguished readers the most deadly ways to subvert, to demoralize, to lobotomize and finally to liquidize someone‘s brains… until they are reduced to nothing more than another helpless Schizo Fran or Mona Loser ready for suicide or the local madhouse.
The term “brainwashing” became fashionable propaganda during the Cold War and the American stand-off with Communism. The Commies allegedly captured Americans and reprogrammed their minds so that they turned into traitors and double agents. How else could infallible authorities explain so many dissenters in their own ranks?
Since you actually had to be brainwashed to believe the United States was the greatest force for good in the universe, the term spread wide and far into the mainstream, film and radio. Although brainwashing camps were never found, neither in Vietnam nor in Korea or Afghanistan or Cuba or Venezuela or in the Soviet Union for that matter, the catchy term ‘brainwashing’ was now applied to any situation where victims passively endured impossibly ridiculous indoctrination, for example harmless Bible Studies in public schools. The real hard-core brainwashing, meanwhile, probably occurs not in the camps for prisoners of war, but in the thousands of small cults or cult-like households across the nation, that is: in families.
Granted, brainwashing can only ever work, just like most physical abuse ever works, if it remains undetected and unreported, and when the victim is completely isolated and absolutely dependent on his tormentor, for example the child to a single mother, or the house-maker to a wife-beater. The victim cannot leave the cult or the dysfunctional household, where his abusers control their victim’s every aspect of life, deprive him of sleep, money, friends, and outside information.
The cult leader systematically attacks the victim’s “ego” or “Self”, metaphorically beating it to a pulp. If the victim is a man, he is “not a man!”, if he has a job, his job “is not good enough” and if he has no job, he is “a bum or a loser”. Children who don’t have developed their own identity yet, are probably getting emotionally damaged for life. Their abusive mothers tell them they are “unlovable” and “a burden to everyone”. Their abusive fathers tell them they are “fags” and “pussies”. It doesn’t matter that none of it is true: the bird is killed by the bullets, don’t say that bullets just flew. No creature can survive such barrages of attacks for weeks, months and years. Soon, the psyche will doubt itself: “This is reality, I should never have been born.” The victims of classic narcissists, sociopaths and violent abusers will never be able to recover. Even if rescued by divine intervention or child protective services, they will forever feel emasculated, anxious, insecure.
The victims change mentally and physically. They hunch over, they pull their hair, they avoid eye contact, they develop tics and abnormal behavior, and their voices become soft and high-pitched. They have internalized that they are ugly, shallow, stupid, and that they have “shit on their fingers” and that they are undeserving of affection.
Once the Self has cracked this way, the abuser has total control over a human being. The victim’s mental health is shattered, she is probably on drugs or medical prescriptions by now, and she walks on eggshells every hour of the day not to provoke more psychological hostility from her master.
The abuser loses all respect and shows no empathy. On the contrary, he blames the victim: “Look what you made me do!” His victim is dehumanized and less worthy than a pet dog or a punching doll. A born abuser ignores what the victim says, or interrupts the victim at every sentence, attacks the victim for stuttering and mumbling, curses and berates the victim over the slightest mistake – and if it’s just her turning the sound of the TV down. When they step outside the house, he walks faster than his victim, or slower, stops as he pleases, changes direction. The victim throttles along as if by an invisible chord. Female abusers tend to control what their victims eat, what they do and where they go, when they go, including just getting up from the sofa and to the toilet or shower-room. They stoop through cupboards, bags, clothes, cellphones and even the garbage just to eliminate the victim’s dignity.
Formerly happy, confident children are turned into slacks, lacking motivation and sitting around, waiting to be insulted, mistreated and bossed around to their next chores. Their brain chemistry is messed up: constant stress, fear, panic attacks. Insomnia, depression, suicidal thoughts, eating disorders pile up. “You have always been a sick child!” They have given up on self-determination, because it will be met with gruesome retribution and punishment. So why try anything in life? They cannot do anything right, so they better stop trying.
Mental abuse starts early in any relationship. The signs are everywhere and if you miss those signs or ignore them, it will be at your own peril. Whether it is in an abusive household or in an abusive cult, the victims appear worm-like, soulless and schizoid. And just when you thought they couldn’t possibly shrink anymore, they start to become… invisible.
The author is a German writer and cultural critic.
Politics does this by demanding “self determination” of each citizen while at the same time targeting their strongest opponents for political destruction.
Its a match made in political heaven
A stunningly succinct expose of what we should all be aware of. Having been subjected to these techniques by parents and employers earlier in life I was aware of them, but every sentence carries resonance and this is required reading for anyone who even suspects these techniques are being directed their way. Forewarned is forearmed. Thank you for posting this.
I lived the same life parallel to you, clearly. You are not alone, friend: there are plenty of us who’ve been through what you’ve been through. We just might not live in your neighbourhood….
You can also count me in, I also have personally experienced what you wrote about,
Thanks so much Thorsten!
Same here. My early childhood was a nightmare of abuse and emotional neglect from a mother who was also maladjusted. It is passed down through the generations. I am the only one of 5 children who finally recognized how messed up I was much later in life. The rest of my siblings just go along as if everything was normal, and I’m the one who is weird. I have severed contact and am much more at peace as a result.
My experience of all of this is that my spirit effectively ‘sporulated’ which is the term used to describe the life choice of a yeast organism when external conditions become adverse: it produces spores, which are impenetrable coatings of yeast DNA with a bullet-proof casing.
Spores can hang around for decades until better conditions come along, when the spores can then germinate again to produce fungi.
I ‘germinated again’ in 1982/3, overseas, during a nine month period when no-one badgered me, bullied me, taunted me, belittled me nor physically assaulted me.
The thing is, in those aspects of the positive human soul, I was still a very young infant. IN terms of knowing the reality of the world, I had live 100 lifetimes already.
I sporulated again in 1987, regerminated again in 1989/90, at which point the PTB decided that I needed to be stopped from reliberating the human spirit, so they arranged for a bit of familial thuggery to take place in April 1990.It stopped a particular career pathway stone dead, but it didn’t stop the human spirit continuing to develop.
The art of thuggery is highly admired within the Security Services and they recruit just those sorts of people. They look for sadists, psychopaths, those sufficiently unempathic to coldly observe the suffering of others and see it all as some kind of ‘scientific experiment’.
They would never recruit someone like me: if anything I have too much empathy. I stand up to the powerful and don’t kick out at the weak. That’s the last thing you should do in a culture of bullying cowardice.
@ Rhys Jaggar
Ha!!! Another word for those blasted freeemasons! YES? “They look for sadists, psychopaths, those sufficiently unempathic to coldly observe the suffering of others and see it all as some kind of ‘scientific experiment’.
I heard in Church once a fellow say indeed people need to be brain washed by having their brains washed of all of the filth of sin within not just their brains actually but their hearts as well! What ends up in the brain often starts in the heart indeed by way of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life.
For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 1 John 2:16
but the Father created the world, and everything that is in it.
so now what? we blame the snake? again?
wait, the Father created the snake too!
does the Father ever take any responsibility? never? so we are back to … menticide?!
what if the Father created you, just to destroy you?!
Are you confusing the issue? Though the Father created the world He didn’t create the automobiles, the dollar bills, banking, the bikini’s, the military weapons, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, etc etc? That was man’s creation which is in opposition to God’s will yes?
Blame the snake? Well was Judas Iscariot created for the purpose of betraying his Lord or was he oddly enough being the banker of the group deceived by his own lusts? How does someone who saw the great miracles done by the Lord including the raising of the dead, Lazarus, and such wind up being a traitor? Hmmm what comes first predestination or the foreknowledge of God? “But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” Mathew 26:24 Hmmmm, Judas shouldn’t have been born?!?!?!?!
what if the Father created you, just to destroy you?! Neither Adam or Eve were destroyed and strange Cain wasn’t destroyed either? It isn’t until sin has reached the place where the only thing left is judgment. Like God said about the land of Canaan and its people “there sin is not yet full?” And here’s the key to it all really:
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Romans 1:21
There are no excuses and your questions largely null and void sir. God didn’t create the snake or all the angels of heaven and all of human beings to be robotic automatons? We are all our own sovereign individuals. Imagine then to his surprise the snake lying and taking with him one third of the heavenly host in blatant rebellion against their own creator? And still the Creator allows them to live until the final and fateful day arrives. They feared Christ enough to beg him for them to enter swine instead of directly to hell!
Fear God for the time will come when He will be asking of us some difficult questions.
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind.
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Wow, imagine a video camera following you every minute, hour of every day recording everything you do and then in the presence of the Creator having all of that played back for you and Him asking you those same difficult questions?
God created all of Creation, and he gave us, mankind, free will.
We are the ones who brought suffering and death into the world, not God.
I am a great fan of Nicholas of Cusa and particularly Giordano Bruno who was burned at the stake, and later “was born again” in a sense, to have a statue erected to him in his home town in Italy, once people became more enlightened and tolerant of creative thought and the search for truth.
I have followed Saker for a number of years and think he is great factual thinker and open to debate – sticking to the topic which is always most informative.
The open mind is to be treasured above all and the power to question everything is beyond pearls or something lowly humans might want to put a price on.
But when did we readers at Saker’s domain enter into the domain of wokism? Demand unquestioning acceptance of ideas, beliefs or notions other than their own? Surely, the road to perdition and the inquisition?
God is Great indeed, where nothing existed before his creation of the world and therefore nothing existed outside of God? If everything came from God how could we be given free will that contracts Gods own interests or the actions of fallen arch-angels or original sin? How could this come into being. It is a contradiction beyond us mortals. Let there be light! Or did infinity exist beyond the watchmaker?
I do not want to challenge those who are believers, who follow the informed writings of Saker, or upset readers of faith. But I think we can all agree that there is an aux-inspiring mystery beyond human comprehension – such as why there is something rather than nothing – and a universe in becoming. A BEGINNING. The question has troubled and intrigued laymen, philosophers, scientists and religious scholars since we became aware of our earthly surrounding and of the universe as a “whole” [out there] and endeavored to account for it. In the process evolved human cognition from the simple to the complex in human thought. Consciousness.
So let us not go down the road of judging others beliefs; be tolerant, seek truth from facts and avoid absolutism and a readiness [temptation] to make accusations of apostasy. We know where that ends – with “angels dancing in the head of a pin” at best, and thought control of the personality and loss of identity; with Salem witch hunters; tyranny; fascist plutocracy; autocracy and feudal theocracy at the other.
Keep up the good work Saker.
Let there be light. Thank you for a very interesting and enlightening comment. You pose some very interesting and difficult questions and I must confess the idea of free will does come across as maybe wrong. I’m not one to question a position which has been the Churches for a very long time but I must say it does cause me to say wait just a minute here. Could we Christians be in error? Well, for me the issue lies right back in the Garden of Eden where free will didn’t exist. Please Len judge whether I’m barking up a wrong tree or not? God didn’t use language of any kind that said to them go and do as you please I have given you free will to do as you please? The key that unlocks my understanding of this are God’s own words:
And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, “Knowing Good and Evil.” He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Free will didn’t show up until the knowledge of good and evil gave our first parents a choice! It is this knowledge that causes a choice to be made ultimately and from then on its been truth or consequences for mankind ever since right down to this present age!
And so the arrival of the curse which due to this new knowledge acts like a stop gap:
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
A stop gap that unfortunately didn’t work out to well when God had to destroy the entire world by way of a flood saving just Noah and his family. That’s it in a nutshell really. The only other thing that bothers me some is okay God why put something as dangerous as that tree in a place so easily accessed to all? The only answer to that is well the genetic code within us obeys its Creator yes or certainly should have? Like a computer programmer it obeys its creator?! If it wasn’t for the serpent planting seeds of doubt by way of questioning Eve would never have succumbed?
And so as it goes historically for the rest of history its just God trying and working to save humanity by simply getting us to acknowledge this sin nature within us and repenting for our actions and turning to Him. Books like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes teaches us about the dangers of what we are facing and that wisdom and knowledge has to be applied accordingly. Choices have to be made so make the right ones as God told the Jews through Moses otherwise there will be consequences! Consequences by the way of a climatetological kind which brings us to Bruno Giordano.
A man I haven’t read much unfortunately about, but what i have seen shocks me enormously that he rejected all miracles Old and New Testament? To that I can only reply that both the Bible and its history and Church History teaches us that climate change is the work of God! There is a huge body of evidence for this just see the book Climate Change the Work of God by Gerry Fox. If only Bruno knew this O what could have been accomplished!
Now am I wrong to see it this way? We’ll see?
the Garden of Eden where free will didn’t exist.
In fact, the exact polar opposite is true.
You need to stop reading the Scripture and try to guess what they mean.
Also, the Bible is not, repeat, NOT a geological or climatologist collection of books.
Friend, you need to ditch your certitudes and go back to the very basics.
Or create your own religion in which all which you affirm is accepted as true.
Yeah, i knew that wasn’t going to come across to easily and in fact sound downright nuts. You know many years ago i heard someone say that what happened in Eden to Adam and Eve was a test? A test? Wow, what a price to pay for a test with the crucifixion also being on the table a couple of millennia later? To think that God placed the serpant in the Garden for the express purpose of testing two just created people is quite something and then turn around and place a curse on everything He created is bizarre? But we will never learn if questions don’t get asked and pondered.
Create another religion lol? no thanks too many already in the world who needs more.
i heard someone say that what happened in Eden to Adam and Eve was a test?
I am so sorry, but I really don’t have the time to debunk whatever nonsense you might have heard.
As for any person who deviates from the Truth, he/she inevitably creates his/her religion, even if he/she do not call it as such.
May I also suggest you take a look at the vignettes I posted at the bottom, maybe that will help you see the futility of discuss God’s purposes?
To Saker and Gerry:
Sad discussion where you both are ignorant. We are off course here to find God’s purposes and off course we need to know why God put the forbidden fruit in the middle of the Garden of Eden.
The forbidden fruit is there symbolic to show everybody that we must live by the law of the Universe giving and adapt us to the idea in the Creation. Otherwise we will create havoc in Paradise and must disappear.
You must not manipulate the gramma of a clean language, you must not change the basic colour of grass to blue, you must not change the nature of woman to nature of man, you must not change the DNA of anything living, you must not change winter to spring, etc.
Thank you Saker and yes I have read the Vignettes with great interest. It was a very good decision to add this. I’m not ignorant of Orthodox history as Bible student it is must reading. I’ve been to Orthodox services and having spent many years with Greek Orthodox people some of whom I cherish as great friends. No Christian of any denomination can ignore where Christianity began and how it formed and any who do are missing out.
By the way if I were to start a religion it would be a para-church type named CUFC as opposed to CUFI of Hagee fame lol which stands for what? Christians United for Christ!
Ponderings, literary analysis, modern critique: the heresies known as gnosticism.
It has been suggested that the masonic G signifies Gnosticism.
Thanks for your comments.
This is why, while I wanted to make a point, I did not want to stray too far from the original topic.
And why, I respectfully suggested, that everything is in constant change and development – one way or another – including, i would hope, from the lower to the higher. Including within our consciousness.
For example: In my view, the Greek legends of the ancients were/are wonderful expressions of our childhood; interpretations of reality or of the unknown and unexplained at the time they were written and imagined
, and to be cherished. But that does not mean I now believe in them as an authentic interpretations or actual explanations.
You have explained about biblical Eve. A faith held belief in creation.
But there is also – by comparison – Pandora. ” In Greek mythology, Pandora was the first human woman created by Hephaestus on the instructions of Zeus.
Zeus gave Pandora a storage jar (oithos) – usually referred today as a box – as a wedding present, which she opened releasing the swarm of evil spirits trapped within…which forever after would plague mankind.”
Unfortunately, another activity attributed to a woman’s curiosity which had unfortunate consequences.
But then again; in legend, there was Casandra daughter Priam. Casandra made promises to Apollo to honour him with her favours, in exchange for the gift of prophesy. When she went back on her word the gods could not take aware her gift but ordained that her prophesies would not be believed. Even though she accurately predicted the fall of Troy and the death of Agaemnon.
Unfortunate, it seems, things happen to curious women who want to know things. Curiousity [investigation] however got us where we are today – for good or “evil.”
Perhaps the greatest woman scholar in history – who has always fascinated me, and about which little is known – was the librarian, philosopher and brilliant, mathematician, Hypatia, daughter Theon, at the Museum at Alexandria – a real woman. “She was a pagan, although Christian Bishops were among her pupils. She was subject to violent antagonism on the part of Zealots. In the end she was brutally murdered.
So, Gerry, this why I was wishing to present an open minded position while avoiding being called a heretic or some such, while encouraging questioning and in defense of the curious mind. Or if you chose ” free will ” and take my chance on eternal damnation.
I am sure we were meant to seek knowledge, truth and wisdom, be unafraid, and not rely on shadows from our caves and eternal blindness. To venture out and not simply wonder what is “out there.”
Marx Twain, another possible heretic I imagine, wrote a wonderful piece on Eve naming all the creatures while Adam remained an oblivious infant.
From a more Jewish perspective (not the rabbinical version, but the humanistic one, which was always there for those who cared to look. I believe jesus was one who did but there were others):
The Story of the garden of Eden and the roles of Adam, Eve, the Snake and the Apple, were regarded as alegories – teachable aspects of human life, in its most universal self:
Thus the forbidden fruit was from the Tree of Knowledge – by design. Take a bite from that thing called “knowledge” and your own, personal garden of Eden will recede. Now there’ll be questions, consciousness of things in the world like the inherent cruelty of lives that depend on destroying other lives for sustenance. We call it “the food chain”. We justify the practice of the hunt, the habit of slaughter by obvious tautologies; “we have always been this way”., “animals are lower on the food chain”, “it’s nature’s way for the strong to prey upon the weak”, and the killer argument: “animals have no souls so we can eat them in peace”.
Extending from that – comes man’s dominion over nature – manifest through evolving technology. Right along with the dominion of some over other humans considered inferior to themselves, or just weaker. Men dominated women throughout history in most societies, one way or another. parable lovers would say it was a form of revenge, for getting us kicked out of Eden.
Ultimately we start wondering about things like concsiousness, free will, and ultimately, the role of death in our lives. All of which thoughts can be disturbing, especially to more avergae or just less thinking minds.
But in the Garden of Eden the rules of nature “Red in tooth and claw” is effectively suspended. In that garden, the lion does not eat the lamb, the snake’s bite is not poisonous, cloths are not required for humans any more than for animals as the sense of shame is non-existent. neither is guilt. Neither is too much wondering about “what are we” or “why are we”. It is implied that the World of eden is a steady-state, stable world, where change is imperceptible, neither birth nor death are known, implying a certain immortality.
In one secular tradition, the very existence of the Tree was God’s way of inserting the concept of “free will” into this stable world. But free will is like a snake, it is a gift, a tasty one, but also a curse. Humanity according to this parable had a choice to make, and they chose the way of knowledge, prodded by free will, which was embedded in them.
So Adam and Eve are kicked out – banished forever from the Garden of Eden with its delectable pleasures and immortality. With knowledge came mortality, and consciousness of finitude.
Still other Secular Humanists (secular not in the meaning of faithless but in the Economic sense of activities that occur over long time horizons), perhaps in jest, perhaps not, suggested that perhaps god himself was getting a bit bored with his perfectly stable, barely changing universe. So he came up with the concept of self-awareness to “spice things up”. Which they sure were.
An aside: it is not true that secular humanists – as they emerge from Jewish or Christian traditions (or Buddhist ones) are deficient in moral codes. Individuals who are true humanists definitely have their own codes, including not hurting others for no reason at all, as well as a certain affinity to greater tolerance 9whether properly practiced or not). But because they have morals, and because the moral codes are allowed to vary among different individuals, they can easily go astray along any one of many uncharted paths, and have serious issues with both credulity and certainty. the first can make them look naive when it comes to human nature and the second may predispose them (some, not all) to a certain authoritarianism, every bit as severe as that practiced by any number of religions.
An excellent articulation of, yes, of what?
Le condition humaine?
Is it a bad thing that God has created every individual soul and calls them by name?
Calls them to be responsible for the other and calls them to exercise love?
It outlines a basic mode of suppression for an individual and how it drags them down and leaves them in a state where they dare not do anything. It may be present in any area of life–family, friends, work, any group one is in. That suppression may even come from the tv droning on in the background…
so much of what makes some people damaged for good from those who are damaged but overcome from those unscathed into adulthood is plain luck, beyond all human control
as smart as we humans think we are on any given day ..kismet, luck, good fortune, right place right time, timing, a miracle, what we look like or what we don’t look like….. etc etc play a huge part in our lives and those around us.
as an adult who more or less functions fairly well, who can see reality more or less clearly on most days i can say with absolute certainty if you turn off ….. for good…. your television set just as an example, (facebook, twitter qualify as well) …..the quality of your life will improve as will the clarity with which you see the world and those in it… particularly those who call themselves leaders.
everyone of us exists in the world psychologically naked, virtually all humans communicate to REVEAL themselves to those around them, its hardwired into us. if you minimize and/or eliminate as many tools used by society to obfuscate the fact that human give off ”tells”’ all the time the world and your place in it is easier to understand and it becomes that much harder for the few who seek to rule and control.
keep an open mind, listen, watch, observe and be wary of those technologies which feed you without your permission or input. once you get rid of having the world force fed into you, your perception of the world profoundly changes.
What the author implies is interesting:
1) Moses (God actually) splitting the Red Sea, not present- assumption -it happened… then,
2) water- lifting gigantic portion high in the air – –
3) Possible to say scale forces, say smash a mountain…flatten earth- why not? It is all a matter of scale.
4) make it reappear–manipulation- it happens whether the internet says or not.
5) walk a path,-. on the inside. (why not?)
Just to clarify: the Scripture, including the Old Testament, are not cosmological or geological treaties and show not be parsed with modern physics in mind. They contain primarily, but not exclusively, SPIRITUAL truths mixed in with other things (not the topic today).
Sorry my friend – I realized this a few hours later – hence the 2nd post – see below – where I relate the physics and spiritual part (because I realized if I did not someone may think I was a “total crazy”.
Sorry my friend but the most amazing twist of physics and spirit happened in real time because …
1) I wrote my post not having read your post
2) but something was buggn me
3) so I ran across the passage (what I assumed was random)
5) I read your post –after having already posted my initial reply to myself (see time stamps)
6) I do not have ESP
7) but was able to reply to your well worded and thought out reply BEFORE I read it
8) meaning I never knew what passage to refer to – that was a accident – I just happened to be listening to it- and decided to reply to myself
9) but then I saw your post/reply…and realize (only now) that somehow retro-actively was able to reply to it
10) wow talk about moving in and out of different dimensions in real time
11) I never planed on that coincidence.
12) God is great.
No worries and, indeed, God is the greatest (greater than anything we can conceive or do).
The Sura Al-Imran 3:54 says very well indeed!
American Protestant religion was used in Ukraine to make them Russian-phobic and alienated, and used in Belarus to overthrow Lukashenko. It is currently being developed in Russia and China and it seems that Putin and Xi don’t take it seriously. This American Protestant sect especially seduces women and youth. And also as for brainwashing in Germany, German men after World War II lost their identity. In Germany men are forced to urinate while sitting on the toilet. It is also emptying of the ego and personality. Putin and Xi are forgetting that Germany is feminist, with no way back. German men were lobotomized by brainwashing.
I met a Romanian Dumitru who suffered terribly at the hands of his tormentors and why was because he was smuggling Bibles into Romania which was a huge crime for someone in the military as he. Under Ceascescu Romania was hard on Christendom and Dumitru happened upon a Christian Protestant who was attempting to smuggle Bibles into that country. Romania had no bibles for their people. Nothing but as I learned later was just pieces of scripture here and there used by too many. Because of Dumitru this man managed to escape his captors but he unfortunately paid the price for those actions. Dumitru was jailed and tortured for his faith. Bones broken and other horror which I won’t go into here. To sit with this man was a humbling experience, more to pray with him or for me was something incredible. When we were about to part ways and this occurred in the USA at a motel in Montgomery, Alabama, this man looked at me and what he asked for was Bibles for his people back home. Thats all he wanted was bibles for his people and here is the other side of the coin of menticide. Dumitru was exiled form his country and traveling around America he was astounded by the freedoms and the enormous wealth and bibles, leather bound gold encrusted pages as far as the eyes could see. Magnificent churches etc etc. It all embittered him and he was angry to the point of asking God why He brought him to the USA? I have a picture though of him smiling from ear to ear holding just printed Bibles in Romanian print enough that he couldn’t hold them all in his hands. Thanks https://leagueofprayer.com/content.asp?id=124691
If American Protestant religion was used in Ukraine to make them Russian-phobic and alienated, and used in Belarus to overthrow Lukashenko it is because of the deep suspicions of a history of warfare that saw the rise of communism and fascism that witnessed the slaughter of Christendom. I’m afraid there are good intentions that are being done in error? If i was in charge i would be working with the local Christian authorities no matter the denomination. It’s called the Ministry of Reconciliation! It is unfortunate to that there is a teaching that continues in error to this day that Russia and Germany are the nations of Magog and Gog from Ezekiel 38 and 39. A huge, huge mistake of biblical interpretation that needs/has to be stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lastly, at the 9:24 mark of this video Stefan Verstappen talks about what really occurred with the Tienanmen massacre. Give a listen if that is you aren’t already aware of the coagulated blood that was almost a foot in depth that bulldozers had to scrape off the square? https://youtu.be/szDF2covy1g
The word “manual” is very poorly chosen for the title, as it usually means the instructions set for performing the entitled process or phenomena.
“The menticide dissection” would be far more appropriate title.
Well, the author chose it, probably because he is aware of all the subsequent parts, since he wrote them.
We are a diverse bunch here, and many do not have English as their first or main language.
Since I brought up the topic of Musa (Moses) and manipulation of forces (3 D reality- but this is not “really” reality…I will try to elaborate…) I better bring up a concrete example (or else people might think I’m “totally crazy”)
2) A scripture (in all three monotheistic faith) where manipulation of a 3 dimensional -ish reality occurred- I will quote Quran — then I will try to relate the physics part/ my explanation part.
18) “He said this is my stick, whereon I lean, and wherewith I beat down branches for my sheep, and wherein I find other uses.”
19) (Allah Arabic word for God) said (Moses – spoke to God directly) “Cast it down O Musa (Moses)”
20) He cast it down, and behold! It was a snake, moving quickly.
21) Allah said grasp it, and fear not We shall return it to its former state,
3) So there was a change of state, (assumed physical) but that may or may not have been in the 3 dimensional reality we exist- or assume exist in- meaning (I am not sure which one it refers to)
a) our sight of the real world (3-D) is like a camera shot- that is electronically and chemically with light (photons) (lots of steps) is literally recreated in our brain somewhere (one may think of it as being put up on an omnimax theater screen in our head somewhere, where we (a soul-essentially) gets a chance to view it.
b) So when the image changed I do not know it was referring to the actual 3D one (we take for granted exists- but have no real way to prove it since the only one we really know for certain exists is the recreation one on the screen in our brain that our soul is designed to look at- sorry if I lost people here…)
c) only God knows this but, regardless…
d) the reality changed or was manipulated to change– so manipulation of reality does happen.
4) So I need to relate this back to the Red Sea parting, and the earth being pounded flat (Day of Judgement)
5) in the same way the staff was easily manipulated (instantaneous) to change into a living breathing snake and back to a dead non-living (which technically I am wrong to say this about the wood part) but a “dead” wood
6) This is actually manipulation of reality on many levels and it happened instantaneously, at the speed of thought, or sight (I do not know which one technically)…but, my point is if it can happen there, there is not reason…
7) God can not use the same (in theory) manipulation to the earth, and other realms, and make the change happen just as fast (it would seem like a miracle ) but given the above analogy would be easy for a Creator to pull off
8) Hence it would just be as easy for Heaven and Hell to exist as they would also be different versions (manipulations) of reality (again I am not preve to how this would occur- I am just saying it seems possible- very easy to pull off- changing wood (non living-even though technically living) to snake (living) actually moving and biting capable- back to wood- vice versa= and lifting up water (lots) etc etc
9) My point is if matter manipulation is possible ( not sure which dimension this refers to but..) then anything is within the realm of the possible. (Heaven / Hell/ God- able to pull off all of this easily- blink of an eye- speed- very easy from God’s perspective- not ours.)
1) This daja vu thing just happened twice (once on the 2nd post to Saker reply) and a second time on Gary’s post…. can not explain what is happening (some kinda dimensional thing is happening in real time… let me detail….)
2) I do not have ESP
3) but somehow was able to reply to Saker’s post (before he posted it- because I only read it later- but it referred to it – without having read it…)
4) then I scanned though Gary post and just caught the last few words about a camera recording one’s life and replaying it…..which……..wa-laa
5) Completely explains my post (but this is in retrospect) the physics part of sight I was trying to explain in the post of staff (dead-technically not) changing to a living and breathing snake part in the passage of Musa and Red sea part.. this is how the camera part (over lap what Gary said) works..,let me explain…
6) If one understands the physics part (photons) and the biochemical parts and how they are reproduced the brain to “see” an image (a soul is actually doing this part “seeing the imax screen part) now one has a reason to understand what Gary mentions
7) you see if the Omni- screen part in the brain for reproduction exists (science part -it does) then it is not too far a stretch (actually highly logical ) that a recording off of the same screen (akin to a chip in a camera) would be recording the omni like screen we take for granted for sight. \\
8) which means a Day of Judgment actually exists because all one would have to do (God) is take the memory bio-memory “chip” (I do not know what to call it -but it exists -hence memory-where ever it is)of the Omni-like screen (our sight) and replay it to see essentially our life (what Gary spoke of mentioning the camera part)
9)I never thought in my entire life I would be able to prove that in real time… God is great.
3a) replace word “electronically” with “electrically” as in “electro- chemical”
Auto correct is way smarter then me – cuz it always figure out what I’m trying to say and (blanks)…. it up.
You have hit the nail on the head! I worked in the child protective services for ove 20 years and saw this constantly. Fortunately we were able to rescue kids from all kinds of abuse, but there was hardly any ‘treatment’ of the abusers, who mostly got away scot-free. of course sociopaths are not amenable to ‘treatment’ of any sort, except prison…to keep them away from other victims if possible.
Short post script: (Just figured this out)
Judgement day camera bit (really significant)
I am not suggesting that the memory bit recording off of sight (screen) part is played back in real time–
It would simply only be necessary to highlight the most important (significant to the “judgement part” of that particular “Day”)
1) It would simply put replay at a super fast forward motion (not akin at all to Hollywood – It is likely assumed far more advanced) because (this is the really tricky part) …
2) We may assume one is already familiar with said life (one actually lived it) so….one would only see (or need to see) only glimpses of it for the meaning to be significance (the are actual emotions- going at speed of light memory- associated with said film…..
3) So and this is very hard to comprehend…one does not need to see one’s entire life (in real time) to understand the meaning (feelings) the relate to one’s life… in order to gain insight into one’s life..,
4) All this should be self evident when one see it because unlike a complete stranger to said film –this person (oneself) is already super familiar with it (one actually lived it -with all the associations/memories/feelings/and the associated meanings-symbolic and otherwise–the conscious is their for this purpose– we do not live random lives– our conscious already knows how to evaluate our own life (the God presence in our lives)
5) So when one views one’s own life– which is what it is- be real– we are already cognizant of it–just need to jog the memory “so to speak”
6) The judgement part is self evident- based on one’s feelings when one see’s the images (and basically God is super smart in wisdom and knows which parts need to be played in order for us to see us as we really are.
7) Hence at the end of the day …we will actually agree with the judgement — as it in essence is like “us” interviewing “us” for the job interview– who knows “us” better then “us” (essentially no one else)
8) seems like it makes sense and is just– no one is really judging us but us but God makes that self evident–by giving us a chance to see it
9) likely advanced heavenly technology so it will be hard to imagine since nothing on earth exists like it, so one will only be able to see it once for it to make sense.
last post script
Just assume there are parts to this that we are not or ever will be accustom to or be able to understand or relate to until we actually get there
1) there exists no frame of reference
2) no screen movie will be able to replicate it (it does not exist) so one will not be able to theorize what this experience would potentially be like
3) also and I think this is key– it is not something would could imagine (unless we could clone ourselves and have the clone talk to us at every important point in our life – in real time what the significance is– we simple do not and will never have the wisdom to understand our impact on others or even ourselves.)
4) implies a unique once in a lifetime event to happen
5) so one can only slightly understand it (can not fully comprehend it ) until it happens because there is no way- we are simply lacking the insight and wisdom to accomplish said feat of trying to visualize it…just not possible
6) just that there is a high probability / possibility of it happening (despite living in worldly modern world that would not recognize it or give it a grade or a star or a award or even recognition)
7) It is just a close approximation based on probability and reason…until one gets there…then a reality (actual- in real time)…so just assume it will occur -that way one is playing it safe- or just think really hard- and look for guidance
I am really angry at myself…
It was buggn me…
Okay the reason why a camera film version of one’s life is not accurate is because one can not see “intent” only God and the actual person’s soul knows that – but that will be self evident at the time place and frame of reference because essentially like seeing a clone version of yourself explain to yourself what you yourself already know
So this complicates the whole “picture” ( so I can not really explain it in a cogent way) but likely it make “sense” given enough wisdom / reflection/ hindsight/ etc. and an actual desire to know of said destination (if one were so inclined to bother to figure it out- not easy)
You see all this hinges on the very fact one already knows oneself so… by inflection one can not possibly see oneself in that perspective until that perspective actually presents itself in real time
Which is impossible to gauge until we actually get/ arrive there…
I got it!
Okay get ready…
The reason why one can not see or understand a Day of Judgement actually existing in time and space in real time…
(It is possible to lay physics and religion and a soul to build up to it… but not the actual event)
Is I believe (don’t quote me on this) one has to literally step outside of oneself (I believe quite literally) (imagine a clone version of oneself appearing- which one can relate to in every way as oneself as legit- let’s say if your soul could look at itself- which by definition – on earth it can not- it is stuck inside it’s body) but if it could momentarily step outside of “you” and objectively look at “you” and evaluate “you” that is essentially what has to happen.
This would logically explain why we can not imagine a Day of Judgement happening…because we literally can not…
Until it is actually happening in real time (the actual event itself) which we are not preve to ahead of time
So I hope God willing this makes more sense. ( barring grammer and spelling and auto correct messn it up).
To add one more layer if one is not confused enough…
This may explain why the soul has to leave the body …
(Don’t quote me on this)
In the event say the soul leaves the body… AND the body still is able to retain some version of “memory” then,
The situation lends itself for exactly the Day of Judgement occurring you (your soul-the real you) will be able to “talk” and or relate a version of “your life” that you can actually relate to because it really is you (soul) talking to you (body- assuming it has a memory of you still in it- which I believe it does) so you will be able to relate to you completely.
In essence, again do not quote me (but this makes sense to me at least) baring a reality check (actual event)…but I am doing the best I can for tonight.
Just on a purely hypothetical note ( I maybe pushing my luck here…)
This would explain why evil loses in the end:
1) they (evil) are forced to “talk” to themselves literally about their “evil” side (which until now may have assumed did not have too) and essentially “look themselves in the eye (literally) assuming last post was true (some version of it- I am not preve to actual events yet- hypothetical in nature but – going with my flow -as this topic my not rear its head again).
2) so it is possible “good over evil” phrase in every sense is true (theoretically-paraphrase -).
3) P.S this might explain parts of my life …as such…which I could not before …God willing
1) Could not figure out until tonight “why one must be patient” in adversity (say in the face of evil)
2) It is because we assumed evil was acting independently of something good.
3) Lets say some “evil” is effecting someone good , further let’s say “evil” is doing it knowing it is “evil” but did not care ( it was aware it was getting away with it)
4) this does not mean that event of “evil” person happened independently of their judgement in relation to you.
5) meaning their judgement while independent of your can affect yours retroactively in time (who says it can’t) in a positive manner (say you get extra good deeds in place of their getting more bad deeds if say they already used up their theoretical limits allowed to them say they- God’s discretion)
6) this explains an actual benefit to patience despite not seeing immediate benefit to it (literally- if benefits are retroactive in next life- one may not see them or even be able to perceive them in this life)- hence the patience part- God will make it right- in your benefit -eventually…when it counts the most… just hold on (patience) stay on the path…
Giving people an image of reality through which you can rule over them
Instead of the given, natural contexts, an arbitrary reality with arbitrary contexts must be created. This began – ideologically (religiously) secured – with the Old Testament: In order to be able to carry out a division, people’s spiritual reality must be restricted and must not exist as a unity, i.e. an arbitrary reality with arbitrary contexts is to be regarded as the reality and be the valuable and desirable thing to which people orient themselves. What other people, groups of people or states are is determined by this arbitrary reality with its arbitrary contexts. People can join together in contradictions, illusions, lies, but thereby not achieve unity with being.
With the restriction of being is connected the ignoring or non-admission of the reality or the truth of other people.
Reminds me of the emotional impact Alice Miller’s book, “For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing and the Roots of Violence ” had on me when I read it.
There is something else that also destroys a child: abandonment. A child who is left a lone, with nobody to communicate, even if not mistreated, is also damaged badly…
Thank you Thorsten, this is an excellent and eloquent introduction and I look forward to the next chapters.
Ilz: I strongly agree. In fact neglect is likely the most common type of abuse of all. It is defined legally as a form of abuse. It applies particularly to the extremes of age – the young and elderly. Think kids largely growing up in front of a screen or at daycare/babysat or elderly away from core families in nursing homes or alone.. often we are cruel without appreciating the ramifications.
Also once I reached the line saying, “..𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘺..” I realised this applies to most mankind now. Governments have overstepped their bounds (infantilizing us in effect) and so we are currently experiencing this trauma.
“The cult leader systematically attacks the victim’s “ego” or “Self”, metaphorically beating it to a pulp….The author is a German writer and cultural critic.”
Thorsten, “Are you saying the “ego” is equivalent to T/the “S/self?’ “The cult leader systematically attacks the victim’s “ego” or “Self”.
Not sure and wanted to clarify early on (Part 1 of a delightful series of several courses of savoring: pastries, crisps, and tea, or their equivalent, in prose).
My language speaks thusly: the self, self-identifies holographically through The Whole Unified Organic Adapting Living Self to find and orient one self, whereas the ego is only aware of threat begetting fear as a psychic (or wholly mental) state from which nothing good comes from; two infinitely distinct domains.
By modern convention, the “ego” is separated off from The Self; which has otherwise come to be known as The Final Cure, permitting the birth, the separation into one self from One Self; ego death is unnecessary since The Self never dies, eternity out of time.
Or are you identifying two distinct realms, that of the “ego” and that of “The Self”, as in, “either that, or that, but not that”. I’m not sure. Wonderful to cogitate with you.
Self request: bilingual translators please: What is meant: “ego” or “Self”? Two distinct domains or equivalent?
Thank you Thorsten J. Pattberg, the Saker, and Saker community. The fundamental duality it is: “the critical thinker” vs. “the conformist.” “Individual” vs. “The powers that be.” “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” vs. “Fear, coercion, and control.” “Good” vs “Evil.” 1 John 5:19
PaPa: Methinks you will enjoy: “Why did Jefferson change “property” to the “pursuit of happiness”? By Carol V. Hamilton. Ms. Hamilton, a Ph.D. in English from Berkeley, died in 2013. This article, posted on HNN in 2008, was originally published under the title, “The Surprising Origins and Meaning of the ‘Pursuit of Happiness.’ ”
It is a mistaken belief that operant conditioning (brainwashing) cannot be effective if the subject being manipulated is aware that it is being used on him.