It has been already 6 years since I interviewed Gilad for the first time and when a friend recently suggested that it was time for a new conversation, I immediately agreed, as did Gilad who, in spite of his over-booked and hectic lifestyle took the time to reply to my questions. Gilad is, in my opinion, not only the most original and talented jazz musician currently composing and playing (make sure to get his latest CD “The Whistle Blower“), he is also an extremely profound philosopher who has the amazing courage not only to ask the key questions, but to also answer them. His book “The Wandering Who” is, I strongly believe, a must read for anybody wanting to see through the “fog” of modern “Jewish anti-Zionism”. As somebody who has gotten his share of hate mail, I can only begin to imagine the kind of hate-filled poison which Gilad has had to put up with for his courage and even though he will not speak about it, I will say that it takes exceptional courage and moral strength to do what Gilad did and is still doing. So, with no hyperbole at all, but quite literally, I will say that Gilad Atzmon is a modern hero whose courage and phenomenal intellect will, I am sure, eventually be recognized as one of the most brilliant ones of our time. I am deeply honored that he considers me to be a friend.
Q&A with Gilad Atzmon
The Saker: Since our last interview in 2009 the world has changed a lot and in many ways. In your opinion, has the global resistance to the Empire grown stronger or weaker over these years and why? What about the current regime in Israel, do you see it weakening or not?
Gilad Atzmon: It all depends on how you define the ‘Empire.’ Is the empire the market forces that drive global capitalism? Is it the Neocons who push us into Zionist wars, one after the other? Or maybe it is the tyranny of correctness that suppresses our ability to think authentically? Is it possible that these three are mere symptoms of an obscure impetus we are yet to be able to define or even grasp?
In my recent writing I argue that Jewish power is the ability to silence criticism of Jewish power. This observation helps us to adopt a transcendental take on issues of the ‘empire’ and the negative powers that dominate our lives. Instead of talking about the empire, we must first identify the forces that prevent us from talking about the empire. We are getting very close to that bone now.
A growing number of commentators are now willing openly to challenge Jewish power. I assume that the rapidly growing Jewish fear of ‘anti Semitism’ relates to the fact that many Jews are also fearful of the extent of the power that is held by other Jews and is closely related to the ‘empire’.
This leads us to Israel and its Jewish Lobby. I think that in the last two years we have witnessed a clear transformation. Western leadership says no to Zionist warmongering. I guess they have had enough of these disastrous futile wars.
The Saker: You have recently written an amazing book entitled “The Wondering Who” in which you made a seminal analysis of Jewish identity politics. You clearly explained that you differentiated between Jews (the people), Judaism (the religion) and Jewish-ness (the ideology) and that you were only interested in the latter, in Jewish identity politics. I can understand why you would not want to deal with Jews as a people, especially since you say that they do not form “any kind of racial continuum”, but your setting aside Judaism is more problematic for me. Yes, Neturei Karta is anti-Zionist, but even they are still part of a religious movement we could refer to as “rabbinical Judaism” or “Talmudic Judaism” and, as you well know, Jewish racism has its roots directly in the rabbinical/talmudic interpretation of the Tanakh (The Masoretic version of the Old Testament). Have such famous Judaics as Maimonides, Karo, Luria not greatly contributed to the development of Jewish exceptionalism and racism? Do today’s rabbis in Israel not justify the mass murder of Palestinians precisely by appealing to the numerous and well-known examples of goy-hatred in the Talmud? Finally, since religion is a choice, not a condition, is it not a legitimate target of scrutiny and criticism? Then why have you made the choice not to look into the Judaic roots of modern Jewish-ness and ideology?
Gilad Atzmon: I have come across this question many times and I understand the point made in your question. There is no doubt that Judaism, the Talmud and the Torah contain some devastatingly crude and even inhumane verses and teachings. And yet, traditionally Rabbinical Judaism was very effective in suppressing any manifestation of Jewish collective goy hatred. If Rabbinical Jews were supremacist, as some may forcefully argue, they were also timid. They segregated themselves and, largely kept their anti Goy attitude to themselves.
This changed radically with Jewish secularization. The Godless Jew transformed choseness into a form of a racially driven, tribal privilege. Yuri Slezkine in his invaluable book, ‘The Jewish Century,’ confirms that Jews were ‘Stalin’s willing executioners,’ in the Holodomor, the systematic deadly starvation of millions of Ukrainians in the early 1930s. The demography of the Spanish International Brigade is also revealing. 25% of the Brigade’s combatants were Jewish. Yiddish was the Brigade’s Lingua Franca. We have to ask what is it that motivated these young revolutionaries to fight Catholic Spain? Was it really a battle against Fascism, was Franco a Fascist? Why did they burn so many churches, after all, one would expect these Jewish revolutionaries to first combat rabbinical tyranny and the synagogues. Just a few years later, in 1948, the Nakba – once again, a collective of secular socialist Zionist Jews engaged in a systematic racially motivated ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Jews who perpetrated these colossal crimes against humanity were not rabbinical or religious; they were Godless and succumbed to left ideology.
The Saker: You have recently traveled to France and participated in several events with Alain Soral (see here and here). This was not your first trip to France as you had also been there in 2013 were you met Jacob Cohen and had a very interesting discussion with him (see here). I have always felt that the power of the CRIF and UEJF in France was even bigger than the one of AIPAC and ADL in the USA. Would you agree with this?
Gilad Atzmon: Totally. For some time, France has been dominated by a forceful Jewish lobby (CRIF) that has been able to determine the boundaries of discussion as well as freedom in general. It is interesting to examine the treacherous role of the current socialist government in that respect. In some of my recent writing I argue that both Jewish and Left politics contain an element of animosity towards working class people. Jews are generally fearful of the Working Class because it is always that class that turns against them. The Left is also dotted with antagonism towards working people (those who are now reduced into a Workless Class), because of the embarrassing fact that the working people have never joined the promised revolution. In France we see a strong bond between the uniquely unpopular socialist government and a tribal lobby group that is concerned solely with Jewish interests. How embarrassing.
The Saker: Jacob Cohen says that in his opinion the most powerful Zionist organization on the planet is the B’nai B’rith that, in his opinion, is the primary recruiting pool for the Mossad’s sayanim. Do you agree with that? Which organizations, in your opinion, occupy the top positions in the Zionist totem pole?
Gilad Atzmon: Unlike Jacob Cohen I have never been part of the Jewish community and do not necessarily understand the mechanics involved in recruiting Israeli agents and sayanim. I analyze the Jewish tribal operation from philosophical and psychoanalytical perspectives. For instance, I delve into the notion of Jewish fear. I examine how it is fueled by Jewish ID politics (both Zionist and ‘anti’) and how it evolves into action – Aliya, war mongering and so on.
I contend that, to a certain extent, every person who operates within a Jews only political movement, whether it is Max Blumenthal, Philip Weiss, Paul Jay or Abe Foxman is a Sayan. I will elaborate. To operate politically ‘as a Jew’ is to be primarily concerned with Jewish interests rather than universal humanist objectives. Foxman and Blumenthal each advocate what he believes to be ‘good for the Jews.’ However, they clearly do not agree between themselves what is good for the Jews.
The consequence and the deeper meaning of what I say above is that there is no Jewish (collective) answer to the Jewish question.
The Saker: Coming back to the events in France, what is your assessment of the struggle taking place between, on one hand, Alain Soral, Dieudonne and the movement Égalité et Réconciliation and, on the other hand, the French Zionist organizations and the French state? Would you say that the Zionist control over France is weakening or getting stronger?
Gilad Atzmon: It is a crucial question. Many French Jews apparently do not feel safe in France anymore and many have moved to Israel. Is this because they realize that CRIF will eventually cause a disaster for the Jews? Probably.
The Saker: My next question is about words and definitions. For many years already, I have been using the word “Anglo-Zionist Empire” on my blog because I believe that the power structure we are currently dealing with is the successor to the British Empire (the modern “Anglosphere”, the ECHELON countries basically) which has now been ‘injected’ with a Zionist ideology both by Jews and by Zionist Christians, as shown by the power of the Neocons in the USA (for a full explanation see here) The strange thing is that even though the category “Anglo” is an ethnic one and “Zionist” is not (it is an ideological one), I got submerged by hate mail and criticisms for the latter, and only 2 emails objecting to the former. I therefore emailed a few well-known personalities such as Michael Neumann, Shlomo Sand, Norman Finkelstein and you. Neuman and Sand never replied, and here are the relevant parts of my exchange with Norman Finkelstein:
The Saker: For many years I have been using the term “AngloZionist Empire” and this term has frequently been condemned by other bloggers and readers. I have therefore written up a short explanation for my use of that term (see attached document). Could I please ask you to take the time to read through this short text and share with me your reaction. Do you find my usage of this term appropriate or not and, in the latter case, how would you suggest that I describe the “Empire”?
Norman Finkelstein: Israel is a country of 7.5 million people. For such a small country it commits a lot of evil. But it hardly constitutes an empire or one half of an empire. At most it is a junior partner of the US.
The Saker: I never spoke of an AngloIsraeli or a US-Israeli Empire, I spoke of an AngloZionist empire which, for example, includes the millions of Evangelical non-Jewish Zionists in the USA. Do you believe that Zionism is a core component of the US Empire or is that a mistaken notion?
Norman Finkelstein: I haven’t a clue what you mean when you say that “Zionism” is a core component of the US Empire? Professor Chomsky calls himself a Zionist. Is he a core component of the US Empire?
The Saker: as a professor of philosophy you are surely able to see for yourself the logical fallacies in your question; besides that, the first time you conflated Zionism and Israel, the second time you conflated Zionism with Chomsky. If you refuse to answer my question substantively, I would prefer if you said so.
He never replied. So what is going on here? What is your take on my use of the expression “Anglo-Zionist Empire” and why are, in your opinion, Neumann, Sand and Finkelstein so unwilling to engage on this topic?
Gilad Atzmon: As I said earlier on, Jewish power is the ability to restrict or silence criticism of Jewish power. Your dialogue with Finkelstein is an exemplary case of such an operation.
Jewish power is not a Zionist phenomenon. In fact, it is mostly sustained by the Left, by Chomsky type activists, Democracy Now and to a far lesser extent Norman Finkelstein whom I appreciate as an intellectual (though I hardly agree with him on anything). The tactic is obvious. We are pushed to operate within a given discourse that contains some clear boundaries. We are restricted by terminology that is designed to block real scrutiny of the most troubling issues and conceal the truth. And what is this truth? A list of questions to do with Jewishness: the Jewishness of the Jewish State, the extent of the power of the Jewish lobby in the west, the ideological continuum between the Zionist and the ‘anti’ and so on.
The Saker: In our first interview you said that “ethics and morality are far more crucial than some UN decisions” and I also remember you writing elsewhere that future politics will have to be centered on ethics and values rather than on ideology. Could you please elaborate on what you mean exactly and whether you see our world getting closer to that goal or not?
Gilad Atzmon: I believe that it has become much easier to grasp the meaning of my past observation. As time goes by, we are becoming more and more cynical about the dark forces that run our universe. We understand that, rather than being free beings, we have been reduced into mere consumers. While in the past a politician claimed his commitment to the provision of health, education and production, the role of the contemporary politician is to facilitate consumption on behalf of the conglomerates. And yet it is our authentic ethical and empathic awareness that are at the core of our humanist indignation. It is our own ethical judgments that provide us with a compass and leads us toward truth. As the situation seems to be worsening, the more we have to trust our personal ethics that are also universally shared.
The Saker: I have personally come to the conclusion that both racism and nationalism are primarily the ugly offshoots of the 19th century nationalism which itself substituted the traditional religious worship of a God by a secular religion of self-worship which expressed itself in all the subsequent 20th century forms of racism and nationalism. Would you agree with that, or do you think that racism and nationalism are inherent to our (fallen) human nature?
Gilad Atzmon: I think that belonging is inherent to human nature and it takes different shapes at different times. I believe that racism and nationalism have been replaced by ID politics. We are trained to talk ‘as a’- as a Jew, as a black, as a gay, as a disabled person, and the forms of these sectarian political structures are very interesting.
We always have to ask ourselves, who benefits? Don’t we want to be Americans or French again? Or do we prefer to operate within marginal sectarian cosmopolitan ID settings? I am not sure. Again, if health, education and labour are at the core of a healthy society, ID politics operates as a clear obstacle. It prevents us from dealing with ‘real issues.’ We discuss gay marriage and anti-Semitism instead of building factories, hospitals and schools.
The Saker: What is your view of religion in the modern world? Do you agree with the quote attributed to Dostoevsky that “if there is no God, everything is permitted” or do you believe that a non-religious value system is possible? Can we objectively define that this or that is “good” or “bad” without appealing to a religious revelation? Can you imagine a secular system of ethnics?
Gilad Atzmon: I would love to believe that universal ethics is a valid concept and independent of any religious thought. But the evidence of secular genocides around us is unfortunately compelling. I guess that if people are set to kill each other, all they need is an excuse.
The Saker: Lastly, what are your hopes for the future? Do you think that Russia, China and the BRICS will be able to bring down the AngloZionst Empire and that a multi-polar world order based on international law and respect for people’s and nation’s rights is possible, or are you pessimistic about our future?
Gilad Atzmon: I am always optimistic but this doesn’t necessarily mean that things are getting better. It may be possible that Jewish power will be restricted in the near future. It may even be possible that some future Jewish suffering is inevitable and this is, of course, unfortunate. I am confident that the Jewish elite is not going to be affected by such circumstances. If anything, they will be the first to benefit from any such a development. Ask yourself how many Rothschild died in the holocaust? Would Israel have been established without the Shoah? Would the Jews be as powerful without the Holocaust? These are open questions and in order to understand Jewish power we must engage in these topics and grasp once and for all the sophistication of the Jewish tribal matrix, the way in which it evolves and so on…
Thanks for this interview.
An interesting mental romp through the maze of phony identities and defunct ideological bondage that traps the world and suffocates Liberty, kills children and spreads greed, crime and terrorism.
The consequences are as if a giant python has captured humanity, is itself dying, but continues to squeeze the life and breath out of its victims.
It is a process. Labeling it or defining it do not matter. It exists and it is killing us country by country.
As an example of Jewish power in the geopolitical arena expressed through the meme of the day in the media, watch how Netanyahu is being crucified for how he won his election. The power of demonization we see attacking Putin is now turned on Bibi. He must be destroyed because he defied the Hegemon.
An awesome display of propaganda. One evil hand attempting to kill the other evil hand. All attached to the evil demon ruling the globe.
Satanyahu appealed to Israeli racists, nakedly, and declared the already dead Palestinian state officially deceased, but is now lying that he did not, with full Western MSM collaboration. He is, like his father, an evil swine, and any contretemps with the ‘House Negro’ Obama, Zionist property since his college days, is for propaganda purposes only.
A great interview.In Zionist terms he would be called “a safe-hating Jew”.Which is how they silence (or try to) anyone of a Jewish background that speaks the truth about Zionism. I’ve run into that constantly in discussions on Palestine.To make points I try to quote Jewish scholars that recognize the truth about Israels actions in Palestine.And aren’t afraid to speak on them.Always, the Zionists most common insult thrown at those people was they were “safe-hating Jews”.
The correct expression is ‘a self-hating Jew’ not a ‘safe-hating Jew’. But there’s also much truth in the latter.
Haha,thanks my typing messed up.I meant to type “self” not safe.
The most ridiculous expression i have ever come across. Incredibly silly. Utterly childish and ugly. Contains at least a dozen logical fallacies in only three – albeit mischievously linked – words.
My first association: The circumcision. You are not “born to be free”, but to be a member, the property, the asset of a primitive tribe, that has formed the understandable but not very refined perception, that the strongest bond between people is bodily mutilation right after birth. How crude! And not to everyone’s taste. But the crime has already happened and you will have to live with it for whole your life. Can’t run away from being a jew. I mean, you can, if you, like Gilad, don’t mind be called a self-hating jew.
Here’s a picture of a mohel cleaning the wound…
Everything that’s wrong in the world summed up in one pic.
That is so disgusting
Q; That is so disgusting.
Wouldn’t any parent, if s/he find a guy doing this to his/her son, just pull the trigger and be done with it?
Would anyone condone their action?
Some months ago, after The Saker had written something about the whole Jewish racist thing and then disallowed any further discussion of Jews as a definable physical group, I disobeyed and raised the issue of circumcision, with some relevant quotes from the Talmud or Bible or whatever. REgarind circumcision as a mark of the Jew’s convenant with God an dGod’s recognition of the Jews as His special people.
So, just gonna ask the same question again. Jews rail about anti-Semitism and supposed anti-Semites setting them, the Jews, apart, but they want to have it both ways with circumcision being a mandatory sign of who is a (male) Jew and who is not and what sets them apart as the people chosen by God and thus superior. The day the Jews let go of circumcision will be the day they might have decided to join the rest of the human race.
Katherine (grandfather = Berlin Jew, so don’t even go there)
The issue with Jewish male circumcision is that (a) it is done on a new born infant (circa. 8 days) and therefore is genital mutilation that probably has deep life-long subconscious trauma (and betrayal anxiety); and (b) that blood — either real, or symbolically — is consumed as some tribal bonding rite. The Koran forbids drinking blood and male children are circumcised as a rite of passage when they are conscious and entering the early stages of adulthood. There is also nothing especially significant about circumcision in the Middle East Semitic context — it was practiced elsewhere eons before the relatively recent Jewish narratives arose few thousand years ago. In some cases it seems to have been climate related — e.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whadjuk#/media/File:Whadjuk1.jpg
Of course, the 8-day custom may be a pragmatic response to being slaves and at risk of disbursal before cultural identity rites could be effected. However, if anyone have wishes to know more about human history and cultures going back around 40-50,000 years (before Saker’s AngloZionists turned up in the 18th century) then they can review this — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australians
And for anyone who considers ‘6,000’ years as anything significant, then please consider this empirical evidence of far, far greater time periods of human habitation in an ancient land mass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murujuga
Finally, for anyone with a deeper sense of ancient mysteries, contemplate the ‘Bradshaw paintings’ or ‘Gwion Gwion’ to which these ancient peoples simply say, they have no stories as they belong to the unknown peoples before them — little is known of their dating but around suggested an age of 15000 to 22000 years for the paintings seems likely — e.g., see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradshaw_rock_paintings
What’s this go to do with the Jewish-Christian-Islamic Semitic traditions from the Middle East regions? Virtually nothing — and that is the point being made! All cultures have their stories and purposes — including the Middle East which has its own relatively recent history by many standards.
Believe what we will, however, for those with eyes to see there are many facts on the ground (and many alleged ‘facts’ totally missing any evidence) which support a different historical narrative to the Biblical versions being propagated today which underlay infant genital mutilation, a faux sense of exclusive self-justified exceptionalism, and a convenient cognitive rationalization for brutal aggressive ’empire’ behavior against others on grand scales. I say, leave the Jews (or any sub-groups) alone and focus on good governance (for the people, by the people, in the pursuit of happiness etc – whatever that means for them) and work on removing the unethical and criminal elements from areas of influence and control. The focus should be on balance and diversity etc.
If you can handle Lewis Black’s comedy style, then here is a 9:02min overview of the topic … from a Jewish perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seuCWDSi8WQ
I don’t see the relevance of most of the above history and anthrolopology lesson to my point.
Which is, that there is a physical marker for Jews and they choose the marker and they choose to mark themselves. In a way that is particularly offensive to modern thinking. Isn’t wearing a yarmulke enuff?
And this primitive and, yes, traumatic practice continues to this day.
So, Jews do mark themselves as members of a tribe so they should be surprised to be treated as members of a tribe. One with a revolting requirement inflicted on the innocent who have no say. Ugh.
What is also interesting, IMHO opinion, is that “jewsihness” flows through the female line, and males have to have this “marking” procedure inflicted on them. As I mentioned in my earlier post on this subject on the earlier thread, it makes sense to me that taken together these two pincers work in tandem to create and maintain “in” group identification and marking.
Murujuga alone shows the disgust westerners have to ancient people and their cultures. Since their own civilization is only 2000 or so years old, a 10,000 year old one deserves nothing since it is not theirs. Better use it as road fill and destroy it. I suppose the biggest difference here is how Russians treat a civilization when they told the US to have some respect for the Indians who have over a 5000 year old civilization while they themselves have only 1000 and the US less than 200. How do you tell such a civilization that they are wrong? The US cant hence their first choice is humanitarian bombing. Guess only experience brings wisdom. Like wisdom to buy Gold.. When you have the experience of thousands of years, it might make sense. There might be a reason even if you don’t know what it is currently. Destroying the heritage of a 10000 year old civilization should be a crime against humanity. Just because you can does not give you the right. And maybe the Russians would find some solace in this, when the Indians found an ancient civilization on a remote island they had already developed parts of it. But they stopped and did not venture forth. They are still there but they do not study them intrusively, they wait for some of them to come to them. Which is quite rare and only a couple of them have ever come out of the forests to interact even with offering free food and clothing and anything else they need. It was a major problem when the tsunami hit but it seems the people there knew how to survive and many of them did. While the advanced houses and bases the Indians had built had all washed away. Guess the primitive ancient peoples can still teach us something’s. Maybe not how to make MRLS or stealth fighters but you never know.. Even ancient civilizations can learn from an even older one.
Atlanticist arrogance and supremacism is boundless.The most obvious current example is the bullying insistence that a great civilization like China, 5,000 years old, the most successful on Earth for 90% of its history and again so now, must govern itself and organise its society in full accord with US diktat. The growing rage of Western Sinophobia caused by China’s success and refusal to obey its Western betters, is, I believe, rooted in that supremacist xenophobia that flows directly from the Old Testament/Torah and the lunacy of the ‘Chosen People’ myth, a title that the American elite plainly believes it has inherited from the Jews, via the Anglo-Saxons.
@ “Anonymous” Zionist Jew ,
Jew mad at Gilad?
Gilad does not mind at all being called a self hating Jew.
In fact Gilad says he IS a PROUD self hating Jew.
Hear it with your own “chosen one” (pfft! ) ears:
The ‘self-hating Jew’ slander is quite Judeophobic. It asserts that decent, non-racist, Jews who put their humanity before their ‘Jewishness’, or on a par with it, ie non-supremacists, hate themselves in so behaving. In doing so it explicitly asserts that real Jewishness is intractably racist, aggressive and xenophobic. Such evil attributes are displayed by only some Jews, including the Israeli elite, the Diaspora stand-over men and bullies and a tragically high proportion of Jews in Israel and without, as they are by some goyim.
it’s “self-hating” Jew and it is an argumentative ploy to take the argument out of the political and into the psychological as well as to demean your opponent. If you are not Jewish then you are “anti Semitic” or a Jew hater because Israel is collective Jewry and its collective policies are law.
Q: anti Semitic…
R: There’s a bit more to it than that.
A correct version of it would be: antisemitic [all Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, fully excluded].
Not only the holoocau$t has been highjacked.
If the Welsh – a ‘celtic’ people – invaded Ireland (inhabited also by a people with ‘Celtic’ roots) and accused the natives/objectors of ‘anti-celticism’ for refusing to leave, we would see the absurdity straight away.
Zionism has all the irrationalism of cult-thinking: jews have no more claim to the lands of the M.E. -of which the Rothschild*- owned land (80%) of the ‘state of Israel’ is but a portion – than Scientologists.
*The UN was a Rothschild construction: it is not sufficiently evolved yet to throw off the yoke.
why do you mention scientologists…they’re a weird organization too…but I don’t know if they’re Jewish/Zionist/pro-Israeli.
Its s screwed up race because its task ended with the birth of Jesus…but because they have produced Jesus, they have a strong right to be acknowledged.
There’s just too much money for them…if the system were changed into a system where enormous wealth couldn’t accumulate, this problem would be over.
We have to have kangaroo courts and deal with these crooks ourselves.
They didn’t produce Jesus.
Jesus was Galilean.
Galilee means The Land of the Goyim – Gelil ha-Goyim.
Why not read down one paragraph in your own link????
“Politically a Jewish country, Galilee, according to Josephus (“B. J.” iii. 3, § 1), was bounded…..”
and further it says half the population was Jewish and half not.
AND you know VERY WELL what ethnicity a person is has nothing to do with where his mother happened to be when he was born. A dog born in a stable does not become a horse.
I wonder what was the ethnicity on the mother side of the children born from the 1000 foreign wives of King David…and those of Solomon…
excuse me … Jesus was from the Judah line…house of David….high breeding….
Jesus and John the Baptist were both from the Jewish, not lay lines…..
The Jews are a wonderful race, but now some of them have become decadent. Too much money. They work for it, but money should not accumulate…it should have to circulate….its the blood of the social organism.
Rich people, including Jews, should have to ‘gift’ money in an organized and lawful and watched-over way, to the culture of our civilization….with no strings attached….
Ron Hubbard was a pal and follower of Aleister Crowley, the well known british satanist. He made his own version based on the Crowley’s model and re-branded it as scientology.
It’s satanism just the same and as any other modern evil, it’s coming from the british/roman empire.
Jews are not a race by the way, but just a religious group.
Also I would recommend you to actually read the bible before misquoting it. Jesus came to save the Jews and lead them back to God. Thus he brought them a new covenant, as prophesied. He himself said that many won’t follow and warned of those “who claim they are Jews, but are not”, naming them a “synagogue of satan”.
‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.”
Hope this helps.
The above was the answer to Ann, dunno why it got misplaced.
Also Ann, there was a new covenant:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Simply put, Jews broke the old covenant and those who accepted the new covenant thus became what we now call Christians.
Thanks T2015…for forgiving me for picking on you the other night,….I forget why….
but Scientology does the same thing to Steiner’s ‘Spiritual Science’ that George Bush did to Christianity….the name’s similar….George Bush being a so-called “Fundamentalist Christian’.
And not all fundamentalist Christians are bad….just as regular Catholic people are not bad. And Catholicism was good at a time in the past….the middle ages….Chartres…and many of the great cathedrals….but …
The old world fadeth
Yielding place to new
And God fulfills himself in many ways,
Lest one ‘good’ custom
Shouldst corrupt the world.
But they need to dis-associate themselves from their leaders. That’s why I think Church is out-dated….its better to approach the spiritual Worlds as an individual.
“He himself said … Revelation …” — wtf are you on about? Is it a full moon again? If he existed at all, he was long dead and gone well before the Book of Revelation came about. The best you can do is say he is reported to have said … from about 100-200 years later (for any of these books).
The topic of Jesus was started by Ann above and as said that was an answer to her, in her given context.
It’s not about personal beliefs. The self-titled Christians should at least read the bible and know what it actually teaches.
In that sense, the organized religion is also condemned by Jesus in the bible, remember the quote “pray alone in your still chamber” or “do charity in secret” etc. All organized, centralized churches are blasphemous in this regard.
Revelation is the ‘revelation’ of Jesus Christ, by his servant John, through his (His) angel.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness…
He calls himself a ” PROUD self hating Jew”. Here he literally says it:
And this other one is great:
Gilad Atzmon on ‘Jew, Judaism, Jewishness’ – an interview with Bill Alford
French satirist Dieudonné has been given a suspended two-month sentence following a posting on Facebook.
The controversial comedian wrote “I feel like Charlie Coulibaly” on Facebook in January, shortly after the Paris attacks in which 17 people were killed.
So much for ‘Je Suis Charlie’ and the absolute sanctity of Free Speech! The hypocrisy is startling, but commonplace, and, as far as the Western MSM sewer is concerned, non-existent.
Three cheers for Mr. Atzmon!
If I read him right he agrees with me that “Anglo-Jewish empire” more accurately describes it than does “Anglo-Zionist empire”.
On race and nationalism he also seems to believe, in my view correctly, that the current ID politics is worse than the nationalisms it displaced. And anyone ought to recognize that nationalism merely means sovereignty of nations and that the word “racism” is just a smear word used to delegitimize peoples’ right to their own political independence. That nationalism has been at times used to justify bad things, well so have anti-nationalism, capitalism, communism, etc. Bad leaders do bad things, regardless of the type of ideology they espouse. The same is true in reverse.
Whatever it is that the USA is doing certainly can’t be described as nationalism. Capitalism gone berserk maybe? More rightly, just old fashioned greed combined with short sightedness. Its M.O. is the same as it has always been, pitting quantity against quality, only this time running into a nuclear wall.
Gilad Atzmon: “we have to trust our personal ethics that are universally shared” : In the introduction to C.S. Lewis’s “Mere Christianity” he says much the same as the basis for his series of lectures which by the way were broadcast to the English people and listened to avidly during the dark depth of WWII.
Yes, ID. politics are an absurd diversion on the face of it—say you are a black, gay, techie man so with which identity do you chose to self identity? Interchangeable confusion and interchangeable parts are what the system wants us to be as malleable consumers of everything including personality.One part time worker with no benefits and no shared loyalties is much the same as another.
Children don’t need a mother–they just need a caretaker and that can be anyone. etc. and it goes on. People need connection so much that they will accept cheap, destructive alternatives and become so much less wise and supremely unkind and ultimately self destructive.
ID politics. Great book on the subject of Michel Foucault…the master of neo-liberal ideology….ID politics.,..is “The Ideology of Tyranny” by Guido Preparata
Adam Osmaev & Nemtsov
i vaguely remember this story just after it “happened”
According to press reports, Osmaev then went into hiding in the UK, where he was contacted by associates of Doku Umarov, who offered to organize a new terrorist attack. Adam agreed and traveled to Ukraine with a fake passport. In 2012, he was arrested after an explosion in a rented apartment that happened while he was preparing terrorist bombs. Osmaev and his right arm, Ilya Pyanzin, a Kazakh citizen, admitted that they were preparing the assassination of the head of government of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin. (My insert – this is why Putin’s motorcycle did not explode) The suspects also said they were recruiting fighters for committing future terrorist attacks in Russia. But later they retracted.
Don’t you tell.. he went hiding in the UK? Who would have thought…
That’s the country where the Moslem Brotherhood (made by the british empire in Egypt back then, same as their splinter group called Salafis) has it’s center nowadays. Until very recently they were declared as a “culture club”. Go figure.
All the fake “islamic” evil stems from Londonistan and is ruled from there. All of it.
I agree. And I think there’s a good chance all Zionism starts in Londonom too.
@all Zionism starts in Londonom
Think of the British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) movement. “[It] is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.” (Wikipedia).
Not that Catholicism was immune to Sirenes chant of Sion.
“The Congregation of Our Lady of Sion (French: Congrégation de Notre-Dame de Sion, abbreviated by its members as N.D.S.) is composed of two Roman Catholic religious congregations founded in Paris, France. One is composed of Catholic priests and Religious Brothers, founded in 1852, and another of Religious Sisters, founded in 1843, both by Maria Theodor Ratisbonne, along with his brother Marie-Alphonse Ratisbonne (Jewish converts), “to witness in the Church and in the world that God continues to be faithful in his love for the Jewish people and to hasten the fulfillment of the promises concerning the Jews and the Gentiles.” (Constitution, article 2). “In 1855 Alphonse moved to the Holy Land, where, in 1858, he established the Convent of the Ecce homo on the site of a ruined church of that name on the famed Via Dolorosa for the Sisters of the congregation….
After the re-direction of the official teachings regarding Judaism, the Fathers changed from an emphasis on the conversion of Jews to working to foster understanding and the development of deeper ties between Christians and Jews. Today they have communities in France, Israel and Brazil”.(Wiki)
“The Opus sacerdotale Amici Israel was an international Roman Catholic association founded in Rome in February 1926. Its purpose was to pray for the conversion of the Jews and to promote a favorable attitude towards them within the Roman Catholic Church. In the first year of its existence, this association was composed of 19 cardinals, 300 archbishops and about 3,000 priests. The Opus was dissolved by the Holy Office in March 1928.
Its ideas were outlined in leaflets written in Latin and circulated among the clergy. Its first request to the Church was that the word “perfidis”, which described the Jews during the Good Friday Prayer for the Jews, be removed, since some believed the prayer could be interpreted as anti-Semitic”. (Wiki) Request satisfied by Vatican II.
a.k.a. the [email protected] congress
hmmmm…tone of this says grecians won’t make it to that April 6 or 8 meeting with Putin.
ask tsipras ‘do politicians qualify for payday loans’?
Congratulations to those who were among the Greeks who successfully withdrew the €300 million: this is probably one of the last batches of capital permitted to be pulled from Greek banks. For now the ECB has granted Greece a few more days (hours) in which deposit withdrawals are permitted. However, all that will cease and Greece will be “blueprinted” the moment the ECB announces that there will be no more ELA boosts and it’s all over.
The globalist imperialists, Zionist or otherwise, praise diversity while seeking to destroy it through mass migration, multiculturalism, and the destruction of democratic sovereign nation states, the latter being essential to the continued racial and cultural diversity of the world.
Those opposed to the racial and cultural genocide of their own people are thus, according to the perverse logic of globalist propaganda, racists who must be subject legal harassment and, as necessary, imprisonment.
Those opposed to globalization must, therefore, first learn to understand the fraudulent terminology of the globalists and vigorously refute it. In addition, they need to develop a solution to the challenge of human survival under a system of nation state sovereignty in a world of weapons of mass destruction.
I believe that the original British (Chatham House) plan for a global federation of democratic nation states subject to the rule of law was feasible, but it has been subverted by a US empire that has adopted Nazi methods to create a global system under plutocratic control in which the masses are to be reduced to the status of domestic animals to be bred, culled and brainwashed as the needs of the “elite” dictate.
Yes, except that it is anything but “Nazi”. It is precisely what 1940s Nazis fought against.
Bullshit. Nazis were doing exactly the same, just in a more dictatorial way and under their own label. It was brits and bankers who financed and propped up the german Nazis. Hitler lived a few years in England and later had british female “assistants” who followed him everywhere.
All the same club, controlled by Vatican and the british Empire. And you are just parroting nazi revisionist nonsense.
Oh, I get it now. Hitler is still alive and plans these things with the British government at the Vatican and they are all really freemasonic illuminati. They support Jewish nationalism while acting to destroy it in Europe and North America. They use names like Adelson, Feinstein, Goldberg, Netanya and Silverstein to throw us off the track. Got it.
Hitler was just a puppet until much later, he was living in England for a while and was later accompanied by two british female assistants. He spoke english rather well. Those are all documented facts, as is the financing and build-up of nazis until way into WW2 by the western powers. So what’s your point?
If you want it more understandable, Hitler was the Poroshenko of back then and in the early years, nazi germany was just like Ukraine today regarding the basic functioning methods and politics, propaganda etc. They were intended to be a weapon against the “evil commies”, who were propped-up just the same from the same power groups. Divide and conquer, as old as humanity.
You DO know that Hitler was “Man of the year” in Time magazine and that he was a candidate for the peace nobel prize? Does it resemble anything that happened in the last decade or two? Think about it.
Stalin is just a bonus ;)
The split betwwen Hitler and anglo-zios happened much later, the rest is history, more or less.
Hitler was used
Peter Zenger, you’re a troll
Hitler was a madman..he was blinded by gas and had a personality disorder – psychopathy – and was used by the British….read the book
Conjuring Hitler by Dr. Guido Preparata. Its all in there, and its a fantastic book…Peter Dale Scott does one of the references on the back of the book.
It was sarcasm, Ann.
I said the US empire employs Nazi “methods,” big lies, endless propaganda and indoctrination of youth, assassinations, blitz kreig. You disagree with that?
But as for what the Nazis “fought against” what exactly are you referring to, if not Hitler’s genocidal war on Russia?
It seems the world Nazi sets off some very strange reactions in the minds of some with no apparent knowledge of history.
Such practises by the ruling elite long pre-dated Nazism and are still extant today, with no break at all since 1620. The Nazis, in fact, used American and English tactics, plus local modifications.
Peter Zenger, you need to study the archives of Saker’s blog. The Brits…not the people, but the secret brotherhoods are behind everything that’s bad, that’s going on in the world today. These secret brotherhoods are perpetual…they are populated by the sons of the sons of the sons etc….
Skull and Bones is an American offshoot…although perhaps its recorded that Skull and Bones came from Germany…The Germans never succeeded in the secret Masonic Brotherhoods….these pernicious groupings of the elites are WESTERN,
Yes, they did. Already at the end of the 18th century the Germans were playing secret games.
The French diplomat Vincent Lombard de Langres, who was a participant in the French Revolution, first wrote about them at the beginning of the 19th century in his book:
La Verite Sur Les Societes Secretes En Allemagne
Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein won’t never admit the existence of a Jewish lobby in USA or the existence of Anglo-Zionist empire because they see themselves as being “responsible intellectuals.”
To admit the obvious: existence of a powerful Jewish lobby that control the Anglo-Zionist empire is for them to be irresponsible because they will be accused, rightly or wrongly, of provoking Anti-Semitism.
Of course both scholars know they can’t answer Professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt (The Israel Lobby).
And one doesn’t need to be a scholar to know that in USA there is a Jewish lobby and that the American foreign policy will be impossible to understand without knowing this basic fact.
Truth, as the great man (Noam Chomsky) likes to repeat, is often, surprisingly simple.
And I will add that Norman Finkelstein is totally opposed to the BDS group ( the boycotting of Israel) and totally opposed to a one state solution and he opposes too the Right of Return of Palestinians.
See FAKElstein accusing the BDS of wanting to “destroy Israel”.
Dear Gilad & Saker, I would like to thank you both for such a good dialog on the topic that is so important now. This issue essentialy put the world to the brink of collapse now (Middle East, Ukraine, and so on) and without itellectually honest discussion
Gilad cites Slezkine about willing executioners and continues: “..Holodomor systematic deadly starvation of millions of Ukrainians in the early 1930s” (perhaps not meaning to imply he got that from Slezkine). According to a review of Slezkines book “the reader is left to his own imagination to visualize the horrors of the Ukrainian famine and the liquidation of the Kulaks”.
Info alternative to the western propaganda about the starvation:
Royal Institute of Internatioanl Affairs [RIIA]
aka Chatham House
can’t list them all but
Rockefeller?….just another Rothschild cutout
All threads of the spider’s web lead back to Bauer’s Red Shield including the pariah state of Israel.
Just been reading about Stalin’s stopping the autonomous Jewish settlement/occupation of Crimea even before creation of Israel.
Khazaria wiped out by Russia in the year 1200.
Boy! do these guys carry a grudge…everytime I contemplate the fate of the Romanoff family I get sick. Not to say that all the victims of the Cheka don’t cause just as much mourning in my heart. As well as Dresden and the million or so German POWs sacrificed by Ike the Swedish Jew…Holodomor….Yes, this spider is behind it all.
and folks, Bibi’s victory is not so surprising at all. All we need to see is the inconsistency between the exit polls and the results. Duh.
Did anybody really think that the Rothchilds’ BibiBoy was gonna be taken down?
Just my 2 cents
I’m amazed by your post. You got every single thing wrong and managed to link it to the crappiest sources I ever saw. Almost like it’s deliberate.
Rothschilds are just accountants for the british/Vatican empire, as are all the others in your list. Knights of her british majesty, Vatican Knights of Malta and satanist freemasons.
Lenin was groomed by the british and re-imported to Russia from abroad. Even now his ghost is visible there: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8658408.stm
Trotsky was living in the US and publishing stuff for mainstream magazines even before the revolution. Pretty much the whole Cheka was mostly imported and controlled by the WEST.
Germans got what they very well deserved and even that was rather mild in comparison to what they did to the rest of the world. No compassion there at all, sorry.
Holodomor as the ukrainian-related legend is also fake. It wasn’t Ukraine, it was all of Russia/USSR that suffered hunger back then. Because the “communist” stooges of the west chose to export all the food and let their own population die of hunger.
Bibi is not “Rothschild’s boy” but both of them are “Queen’s boys”. At least he was, now it seems like he’s trying to find en exit.
“”Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly stated (see the Israeli publication Shishi, Spring 1994) that he was initiated into the Masonic Lodge while in the United States”
Check that publication, it’s real. He was/is a servant of the british empire.
I am not at all amazed by your post. Of course my post IS deliberate as is yours to obfuscate the false history we have been presented.
It’s deliberate on your part to obfuscate the role the Rothschilds have played in all the wars we have been subjected to.
Yea sure, it’s all because of the Brits and the Romans …right
That is an apologist, sayanim response to my post..
No doubt that the royals of Britain are responsible for much since the Rothschilds …from the beginning of their return to Britain, began intermarrying with the royals. This explains why the GERMAN royals in Britain did not lift a finger to protect the Romanoffs from the Bolshevik Jews malgre the pleas for succor they were sent from the tzar.
You say that it was the brits and bankers….hmmm which brits and which bankers? The bankers we all know were Jewish. You continue the “concealment project” that Gilad Atzmon and Professeur Faurisson speak about. The Vatican? The Vatican’s money has been and continues to be controlled by the Rothschilds. This definitely does not make them merely “accountants” as you say…..let us remember the original Rothschild’s statement: “He who controls the money controls the nation, I care not who makes it’s laws”….I am paraphrasing here.
Both Hitler AND the Bolsheviks were funded by Wall Street Bankers [read some Anthony Sutton] who were mostly Jewish and had been set up by the Rothschilds from the beginning. Most members of this community are very much aware of how many attempts were made in the US to establish a Rothschild Central Bank before they finally succeeded in establishing the Federal Reserve, and then the IRS. We all know the Rothschilds were behind this.
So fortruss is a crappy source? seriously?
I agree that the VT article is a bit over the top…however, one thing we can take away from this article is that Russia got rid of the Khazars back in the year 1200. As well, it was the tzar of Russia that helped Lincoln prevent Rothschilds’ attempt to Balkanize the fledgling American country and it was their agents who instigated the US Civil War. For this “interference” on the part of the tzar, Rothschild vowed to destroy the Romanoffs down to their final descendants.
Lenin was a Jew, which they tried to hide but now the world knows this is true and you say he was imported from abroad? That is kind of vague. Wasn’t it the Germans who funded Lenin’s trip back into Russia via a sealed train?. So where did Germany find the money for this trip?
Trotsky…another Jew…living in the US? but WHO funded Trotsky? and you say that the Cheka was imported and controlled by the WEST?
Your Link confirms that Jacob Schiff [in my list which you say is so wrong] a Jew [whose family grew up with the Bauers], was one of the main contributors to Lenin and Trotsky. This Link that you sent us also confirms [from my list that you say is so wrong] that Round Table agents from America were all over Russia before and during the revolution.
so wildboar.net has it right yes, but….they omit these were all Jewish agents. They were not just powerful bankers…they were powerful Jewish bankers.
so the first Link you gave us admitted that Lenin and Trotsky were bankrolled by powerful US bankers and the second Link you gave us claims that Trotsky was funded by the Germans. “reformed theology” indeed.
I find your statement that Germans got what they deserved — typical repulsive Jewish propaganda. The Germans were a bad lot, but not nearly as bad as the Bolsheviks and the main victims of the Bolsheviks were Russian orthodox Christians, as the synagogues were left basically “untouched” and the first laws passed by the Bolsheviks were making anti-semitism a crime.
Dresden was mainly a Christian city. Most who perished there were Christians…civilians — as there was hardly any military presence there and they “saved” Dresden …British and US fighter planes passed over Dresden daily without harming them, until they were ready to firebomb that beautiful Christian city full of magnificent churches.
To say that the million German POWs who perished in an enclosed open air, barbed wire concentration camp after the war is what they deserved, is disgusting and I am not surprised that you feel “no compassion”.
Holodomor — well documented that the agricultural stock of the peasants was confiscated…nothing to do with hunger around the world.
and you say Bibi is a servant of the Queen? …the British Empire is the servant of the Rothschilds. Why does the Queen have to enter the City of London as subserviant?
just more of my politically incorrect 2 cents.
You a<re just recycling internet nonsense, sorry. Pretty much nothing of what you claim are stupid rumors and legends.
And sorry, if you believe that the bloodiest empires and mass-murderers who erased whole countries at times without blinking, would just sit back and let a handful of Jews take over the world, I'll just dismiss you as laughable.
Look at that first picture. Do you see any Jew there? Seriously? I see white, blue-eyed, blonde Aryans.
Just for reference, thise guys are Jews:
Or more serious:
This is all just google plus five minutes by the way. Much easier than recycling nazi internet legends.
I'll tell you once more, Rothschilds were knighted by the queen and knights are servants of the crown, not the masters.
For your information, the current heir of the roman empire and interestingly also the king of Jerusalem is the current spanish king. When saying britsh/roman I'm referring to the whole inbred european nobility in service of or entangled with the roman church.
Dismiss me as laughable all you like. I dismiss you as Syanim. Google to your heart’s content … you prove nothing with your silly games.
The Vatican and the Brits, all of Europe and the US/Canada and Australia…….Rothschild puppets all…..enjoy it while it lasts cause the world is waking up and its coming to an end.
Gonna come crashing down…
Let’s have discussions on the topic please, not tossing threats or names at each other
Ohhh, so you are one of those”end of the world” crazies… very nice. Funnily it is YOU who fails to prove anything, but hey – projection is a nasty mental problem and very common nowadays.
In that sense, wish you lots of fun, it must be cozy in the GHCQ this time of year.
I put a warning before already. Both of you. Stop the accusations, the GHCQ and sayanim junk. Go to Yahoo News of Huffpo for nonsense, this place is for sensible discussion on topic.
Since you like to post pictures so much…here’s one I dedicate especially to you.
Christine I agree with you….I don’t understand why T2015 is being rude again….You guys are both saying the same thing in different words….
But your words are not internet garbage…your words are from decent good books….that I have also read.
My dear, go get some tranquilizers before you start hyperventilating.
oh dear. these arguments and conversations over the course of a few days get so confusing….its this ‘reply’ button…it doesn’t always put things in the right order.
One thing I noticed is perception. Since Hollywood is controlled by Jews you would think shows made in Hollywood would reflect that Jewishness.. But I found I love Israeli English shows. The are so realistic compared to Hollywood. The easiest difference would be a show like intelligence and homeland. Where intelligence in the American sense seems to be acting stupid and macho, being a terrorists in homeland means having a conscience and faith and the will to justify a wrong. I am currently watching a show called dig.. The contrast between the Americans and Israeli’s are striking. I seen some Israeli comedy shows which I thought were boring most likely because I did not have the context to find them funny but these other shows really breath some fresh air into stake American context on things. I might not agree with a lot of things Israel does but being unrealistic about the world around them is not it. While Americans are totally lost in make believe worlds. Would this be on purpose where the jews in the US are mindfunking the population? Even in the areas of News, the Israeli press when they are allowed are far more critical of things, more realistic.. More real world based.. Even their propaganda is out of this world. Nutyahoo really gives the country a bad name as he seems more American than most. I do wonder if there is mass hysteria in the west and US in particular. As if they are using mass mind control. Because nothing else explains how detached from reality the people are. You can show them but they will not believe it. You can argue with them with no effect. They are so good at it that they will show you proof which you look at and go, this aint a magic trick, dr who might show you a playing card and have you accept it as james bond’s license to kill but you look at it and it shows the jack of spades and wonder wtf.. That’s what it feels like. They just flick out another card and expect you to accept it as the ID from the head of the DEA or something and you are supposed to accept it as fact what ever they desire or say. When you can only see the 9 of clubs and go WTF..
British shows are mostly boring. None of them are reality based and when they do have it, they are REALLY reality based and uninteresting documentaries. But US shows on the other hand are very subtle. It takes you into an alternate reality based view of things. It was a shock to actually see the difference. How jews in Hollywood would try to influence you and jews in Israel would actually be able to do a story without the hidden propaganda in it.
And I will add to your post , the “Stalin’s Jews” article from The Times of Israel.
“An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.”
That Yagoda Jew bastard IS resposible for the death of *at least* TEN million people!!! Meanwhile the World Jewry harps on the ” six” million Jews forevermore.
This article was written by a born-again anticommunist, a renegade of the worst kind. A Polish Jew and a leftist, he was the chief editor of the leftist newspaper in Israel; he caused the newspaper to collapse, and then he declared he believes in neo-liberalism. He is not a good source at all.
are you for real Israel Shamir…oh my God. I love your articles.
Thank you, dear Ann!
In accord with the national taste for laconic humour, neo-liberalism is known in Australia as ‘economic rationalism’. No-one is laughing much any more.
I don’t agree about the German T2015. Just like the Ukraines….it was a divided world of bourgeois and proletariats, but the people did not deserve what they got. They just didn’t fight against it.
Like Americans today.
Eisenhower was of German descent.Yes,one of the ironies in the world.Many families assimilate to different societies and as the saying goes,become “more Catholic than the Pope”. Some other examples are the many Russian generals and other officials that were of German descent in the Russian Empire. Milner,the German-British high official before WW1.The many Rus nobles that assimilated to the Polish nation during the 15-1600’s.Even the Hungarian and Romanian fascist leaders weren’t really from Hungarian and Romanian backgrounds.One, the first of two Hungarian fascist rulers was from a German family, the other was from an Armenian family.And the Romanian was from a Polish family.Europe and the European settler countries are very diverse, and mostly have always been.
Thanks for posting those 2 links. Excellent material.
@ The Saker,
“So, with no hyperbole at all [this has to be tongque in cheeck, right?], but quite literally, I will say that Gilad Atzmon is a modern hero whose courage and phenomenal intellect will, I am sure, eventually be recognized as one of the most brilliant ones of our time. I am deeply honored that he considers me to be a friend.”
I am happy for you.
Questions: does this, as an interviewer, interfere with your objectiveness at all? Can you be critical of a modern day hero too [without being thrown under the bus]?
I ask, because I’ve done interviews myself and found that to be the hardest part [remaining objective one way or the other]
Daniel Rich:does this, as an interviewer, interfere with your objectiveness at all? Can you be critical of a modern day hero too
I have no desire or even interest in being “objective”. I try to be *right*. That is good enough for me.
Daniel, as a trained journalist, I have no problem with the lack of objectivity in this particular dialog. However, I would not call it an “interview.” It would more accurately be titled, “A Conversation with Gilad Atzmon.” There, problem solved.
But it’s Saker’s blog so he can call it whatever he wants. :-)
A fascinating discussion, which dovetails neatly with one that was attempted by Douglas Reed in his book, “The controversy of Zion”, written in 1953 and now available to download free on the net.
He details the progression from tribal ragtags to global force in impressive detail, and he demonstrates how control is exercised. I was learning about narcissism at the time and was struck by the parallels between the behavior of those at the centre of things and that of your everyday narcissist.
I seriously recommend a read of this work for anyone who wants to understand the forces at work in today’s world. It illuminates todays stage like nothing else.
The Controversy of Zion
pdf’s of Douglas Reed’s works
speaking of Gilad and very interesting interiews- Gallier left this at my place, I posted it.
I watched the interview twice- got hubby to watch it too. It gave me much food for thought- Regarding many intertwined topics
hidden history- ‘antisemitism’ and the perpetual victims…
Gilad Atzmon meets historian Robert Faurrisson
Wonder how he’d feel if his own royalty checks were stopped..
Another fool can’t distinguish between the ephemera of ideas and the hard graft of realisation/execution.
Jews (the people), Judaism (the religion), Jewish-ness (the ideology), Rabbinical Judaism, Talmudic Judaism, Zionism, Zionist Jew, Secular Jew, Non-Practicing Jew, Kosher Jew, Non-Kosher Jew, etc., etc., etc. are all just varying shades of the same club members, whose numerous terminologies or nomenclature are meant to obfuscate the Goyim (non-Jews). To obfuscate means “to render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.”
As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.” I would add that it’s a very very dangerous club. A Satanic cult.
People such as Madonna (the singer) who “converted” to Judaism do so out of social and economic expediency, not unlike the Khazars (a non-Semitic tribe) who “converted” to Judaism in the 8th Century AD out of geopolitical expediency and necessity. Most so-called Jews of today (about 90%) are descendants of these Khazars. In their DNA, these so-called “Jews” are as Semitic (to the Jews portrayed in Hollywood movies like the fictional Ben-Hur) as I would be (I am 100% Chinese!).
Others like Whoopi Goldberg only assume Jewish-sounding surnames to gain traction in a Jewish Hollywood.
The brainwashing in a typical Jewish family is beyond belief (for the Goy). Brother Nathanael, a former Jew who was able to out and converted to orthodox Christianity, can vividly attest to this absolute and complete brainwashing that went on and on in his Jewish family. Once in the club, it’s very very hard to leave, even for those so-called reformed Jews or non-practicing Jews. Hence my description of the Jews as being in a Satanic cult.
In short, it is a big club and most of us are not in it. Nor do we want to be.
The following quote basically sums up what I am trying to convey in the above paragraphs, not very effectively I might admit. For obvious reasons, I am not going to name the person who said, but you could easily search for this person’s name online. If the following quote rings true for you as it does for me, then there is not much left to be said on this topic:
“The Jew is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, [Zionist Jew, Non-Practicing Jew, Rabbinical Jew, Talmudic Jew, etc.], it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a ‘JEW’ and you will be atonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: ‘I’ve been found out’.”
Yes, Liz Taylor also converted over, not sure how late in her career.
Texe Marrs came out with a very detailed expose of the khazar DNA bloodline & what they really are, last year:
DNA Science & The Jewish Bloodline
Great quote. And HOW true!
Thanks for posting it.
Hi Saker, really good questions…He ended by hiding behind Jewish…although his answer was interesting.
I agree with you that without religion the world will continue to descend into the abyss. But religion has to be believed. I prefer ” spiritual” to ‘religion” because so many people equate religion with church. And institutions are always corporations. Sadly.
Rudolf Steiner has said clearly, that society is divided organically (and should be) into three different ‘arms’.
The Cultural arm – education, churches, ecological foundations, certified organic, spiritual training and the arts (yoga class and all artsy stuff), and fianlly history. Books on history, development and spiritual studies. In other words everything we humans do, in our spare time, that is self development for our enhancement, and all of this should have spiritual outlooks. Without spriitual outlooks its hopeless. The spiritual world wants to help and can help, but only if we ask.
The second ‘arm’ is the Life of Rights. This is the scourge of our times…its the government. But should the government be able to restrict us and police us and demand that we go to war and put us in jail ? Should politicians decide what our children study in school and should they demand constant money from us, for them ? This ‘life of rights’ has become bloated. It should be officials, to look after the roads, post offices, hydro and cables, and borderlands. Without having access to huge tax monies it would have a much smaller dimension.
Gift money, by law, should be required of large largess. That it be ‘gifted’ back into the system. That way the government doesn’t steal it before it reaches the Cultural arm.
The third arm is the Economy. In our time this needs policing, until its cleaned up. This requires strong laws, Once the Economy is functioning without crime,it becomes the sphere of all groups of producers, consumers, and transport agents. I think the Cultural sphere or arm has to become ‘kangaroo courts’ until all these crooks are put away and the system changed. For years to come, we will need to run prisons and law-making. But eventually the ecomony can run by groups of the above deciding pricing and so forth.
Another part of the Ecomony is the “Gift Money” that is absolutely required for large largess. Its like tax money but it would be part of the system of the economy. The Cultural sphere benefits from the gifts. Cultural things, like schools and foundations would benefit from gifts.
If these things were done in the right way, honesty would prevail eventually. Most people are honest, and given the opportunity most people are generous. I mean there will always be criminal intent but its actually being promulgated in our times, because of the terrible school system. Laws and judges should become part of the past., except for exceptional cases, of insanity.
Because the economy has become criminal, we have to set up a system to get rid of the infection or cancer that has taken over the healthy social organism. The Economy is really like the blood and fluids of the organism. Its really sick right now, and is possibly going to kill the entire organism. We need change in these very serious times.
These things have never been thoroughly worked out, because although Steiner’s book “Towards Social Renewal” was the most read book, during WW1, on this topic, it was never put into practice by the politicians and leaders in Europe. Too much fear and uncertainty, mixed with some covert operations.
These three arms, should be autonomous. Not allowed to reach over into each other. Prevented by strong laws and watch-dog organizations, which cannot be bought. Although like I said, the cultural sphere has to ‘clean it up’ before it can work autonomously.
Sorry to not comment further on your fabulous interview. I will read it again.
Thanks so much. By the way…your blog is a part of the ‘Cultural arm’. And the ‘gift money’ you always ask for and need, is a part of the threefold social order that Steiner envisioned.
I don’t know about the others on this thread, but I didn’t read this ridiculous anonymous part series….you’re a troll. You’re trying to take up all the thread so normal people are turned away from it. Go away
Agreed. Didn’t bother to read. Thank heaven for the scroll button on the right and the welcome reappearance of real people. Really, maybe the Anonymi should just be moderated out.
Ann you say you are a troll go away. More often than not I think that of you with your constant OT comments, watch this movie or that. Seems you kiss up to the regular commenters that truly make good contributions and those that disagree with the Saker on occasion. I did read anonymous series and thought the series was very insightful. Maybe you shouldn’t pass judgement on some you yourself admit to not reading. Rachel
Dear Rachel, I’m entitled to my opinion. Its a free world dear. You don’t have to abide by words spoken. Perhaps you want to write a manifesto of Saker’s blog and show it to him and see if he thinks a change is necessary.
By the way, did you send your contribution this month ?
Very interesting “CNN” of all things, interview about the dangers of GMO foods.
OT what does this have to do with this tread? Stay on topic!
Stable-doors and horses come to mind. Being too late to put the genie back in the bottle, they can now pose as ‘journalists’.
@Judaism, the Talmud and the Torah contain some devastatingly crude and even inhumane verses and teachings.
They were mostly directed not at the goys in general but first and foremost against Christians (who were cumulating the qualities of goys cum heretics – minim)
“For the apostates let there be no hope. And let the arrogant government be speedily uprooted in our days. Let the noẓerim and the minim be destroyed in a moment”.[from the Birkat ha-Minim (Hebrew ברכת המינים “Blessing on the heretics”) is a Jewish prayer of blessing on heretics in general, and sometimes (as Wikipedia put it shyly) Christians, though in this context “blessing” may also be a euphemism for a curse].
@traditionally Rabbinical Judaism was very effective in suppressing any manifestation of Jewish collective goy hatred. If Rabbinical Jews were supremacist, as some may forcefully argue, they were also timid. They segregated themselves and, largely kept their anti Goy attitude to themselves.
Were they “timid” or just prudent? Was it suppressing or hiding? Until it was safe to openly succumb to “left ideology”. But has not Left ideology, aka “Scientific socialism,” or Communism originated in the combination of Jewish Messianic feeling with German philosophy, all directed at the subversion, destruction and enslavement of the hated minim and notzrim. Marx, of course, was Jewish, like the high financiers like the Warburgs, Schiffs and Rothschilds who financed the revolutionaries like Lenin,Trotsky, Kamenev, Sverdlov and Zinoviev, to destroy Christian Russia. Characteristic of the “Left” is a burning hatred against the Church and Christian society.
Talmud is Baqylonian, not jewish. It could not refer to Christians, because Christianity didn’t exist yet at that time.
Torah is your very own christian old testament. Yes, it does contain nasty things, but it’s a part of our christian heritage as well. Also don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, for example the ten commandments are not a bad thing as such.
Baqylonian or babylonian, doesn’t matter because you are talking nonsense anyway. Get your facts right first.
anon, I wonder if its not you that is ignorant…T2015 certainly has an interest in these ancient occult groupings and writings.
Anyway, T2015. I have read the bible…not the old but the new. there ain’t anything you can throw at me, that I can’t answer on that section of literature…or scripture…or whatever you want to call it.
The Talmud is interesting. It is impossible, nearly, to obtain a copy in all its vastness, let alone the commentaries and exegeses. Scholars like Luther who studied it declared it rather antagonistic to the goyim, but Jewish grandees today simply deny it. We can see from ‘T2015’ that this, the central religious authority in Judaic life, is now being denied out of existence, being attributed to ‘the Babylonians’ not the Jews!!?? That’s chutzpah on steroids. From time to time books based directly on the Talmud and authorities like Maimonides are published in Israel that outline the correct way to kill goyim,and religious authorities issue blood-curdling incitements to kill civilians in war-time, even children, if it may be said that they would grow up to ‘oppose the Jews’. Likewise the brutal mass slaughter in Gaza, the repeated mass slaughter, is ‘justified’ by some arcane Judaic doctrine that says that an entire city may be destroyed if one or a few there dare to ‘oppose the Jews’. The mass murderer Baruch Goldstein, revered as a hero by the settler Judaic Taliban and other religious extremists, refused to treat non-Jews as a doctor, citing the Talmud (so much for Hippocrates!). Merely mentioning these facts in almost any western MSM or ‘alternative’ site in the Comments will get you banned, no questions asked, as an ‘antisemite’. It is an amazing stand-over racket.
We won’t brand you, MM, but I do suggest you go easy on the name-calling. Also please provide reliable links to back up these statements which you claim to be facts.
I will brand MM, he’s a well-known nazi propaganda disseminator from MoA.
The book is CALLED “The Babylonian Talmud” and it supposedly came from babylonian Jews. So far the known facts.
And no, I wasn’t there personally and can not claim it’s genuine, just as I can’t say the same about the Bible or Koran. But here’s the translation:
The word Goyim is mentioned whopping ONE time in the whole text. And you MM are just a cheap liar, counting on people being too lazy to check the facts.
That one seems legit. He just mentions it then says other things are published supposedly based on it…. I really would like to see what nonsense he’s been reading NOT KNOWING how to tell real stuff from fake…..some people will fall for anything.
The controversy inside Israel over the tract Torat Ha’Melech, was considerable. The author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, from the illegal settler colony Yitzhar, near Nablus, in the Occupied Territories, was quoted as saying of his magnum opus, ‘If we kill a Gentile who has violated one of the seven commandments….there is nothing wrong with the murder..’.He also used his interpretation of Judaic, ie Talmudic, law to say, ‘There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately..’ Two leading Rabbis who supported Shapira, Dov Lior and Yaakov Yosef were summoned for questioning by the police, but simply refused to attend. The Israeli regime condemned the book, but took no concrete steps against it, while continuing to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into Shapira’s yeshiva, Od Yosef Chai, and Netanyahu even refused to condemn the contents himself. You can see the details in numerous places just by Googling, and Max Blumenthal at Mondoweiss has a good article concerning the controversy. As Blumenthal further notes, in an Alternet article of August 29, 2010, a meeting of Israel’s leading fundamentalist Rabbis at the Jerusalem Ramada Renaissance Hotel to defend Shapira called for killing not just Gentiles, but secular Jews as well. Dov Lior, who had been the chief IDF Rabbi, once incited his troops with the exhortation that, ‘There is no such thing as civilians in war-time…A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jewish fingernail’. The charming chap also once suggested using live, captured, Palestinian terrorists in medical experimentation. These statements and oodles more appear in Blumenthal’s Alternet piece.
As for insinuations of ‘antisemitism’, first I believe it only exists as a tool to smear and intimidate and silence. Judeophobia, the hatred of Jews, like Islamophobia or any other undifferentiated hatred of all the members of a group, simply because they are members of that group, is stupid and odious. Jews, like everyone else, are vastly varied, some, according to my opinions, good, some bad, some indifferent. Their characters and behaviour are various and complex, like us all. If I think that a Jew or a Moslem or a brown-eyed Swedenborgian is behaving wickedly, I will say so, and no amount of intimidation will shut me up. When I see Netanyahu and his ilk murdering Gazan children, threatening Iran, aiding Daash in Syria etc, I am going to criticise them, and when I see decent, humane, Jews defending the Gazans and criticising their Government, I will, indeed I must, think highly of them. Bigotry has nothing to do with it, but my own moral sense certainly does. You can quibble with that morality and question it, but the slur of mindless bigotry is unwarranted.
MM a word of advice…keep your posts shorter….I for one will not read such a long rant. If it was shorter I would.
Ann, was I really ‘ranting’? I thought I kept it calm enough, with some facts that can be checked, in order to defend myself.
Mulga, there are extremists in every land. Every nation, every religion. We need to be VERY careful not to take their words as representative of the rest of that nation/religion. Otherwise we’d have to condemn every Muslim and every Christian, likely every Buddhist etc and then our hate towards those further justifies the viciousness of the original extremist.
If they are extreme enough the others dare not speak out against them — look at Ukraine for evidence. — what happens to people who object to Right Sector activities? they get given an extra taste of it., So you can’t take silence as agreement, when it is more likely just survival.
Mulga M…the scripture you’re talking about was written during the Babelonian captivity. Probably by Zaratas.
Wow, Ann, you really know a lot about certain subjects.
There is one thing I dislike about Atzmon – he is also selling that line of “Jewish power”, as if there was only one monolithic group called “Jews” or if they all were real Jews to begin with. with this, he is actually sustaining the imperial nazi propaganda of the Brits and Vatican.
The real semitic Jews are a minority in Israel and have rather little power. Let alone the black african Jews etc., who are being treated about as “good” as the Arabs there.
Gilad always fails to see that all those “powerful” circles are solely white european faux-Jews from former Khazaria and later Germany, Poand, Hungary and Russia. Those are the ones that Jesus referred to with his “Those that call themselves Jews, but are not – they are the Synagogue of Satan”.
Let alone that for Atzmon, Vatican and its power do not even exist. At least he never, ever mentioned them as even relevant.
Sorry for being an ass here, but in my eyes, Atzmon is just another diversion.
Oh and of course Atzmon never, ever heard anything about the masonic circles involved. It just does not exist for him. Which clearly makes him a stooge of the british empire in my eyes.
Some obvious examples:
Masonic-satanist luciferian worship is NOT jewish nor does it have anything to do with semitic Jews. It’s been a roman/british thing ever since its inception.
T2015…wrong….the masons use Jewish scripture. Its a weird connection.
I don’t think you’re being an ass. I agree
My favorite statement by Gilad in this insightful interview with the Saker:
“Jewish power is the ability to silence criticism of Jewish power.”
As Voltaire observed, you can work out who it is that controls a society by seeing who it is that criticism of is banned.
You mean like when that nazi Bernhard from MoA banned me for refuting some of the stupidest, nastiest nazi rumors there? I guess you are right.
And the guy is even so crazy to call himself a “leftist”, while catering to a bunch of pure nazis. Head explodes.
Sorry I cannot get past the bit where members of the International Brigade are condemned for going up against the forces of the Inquisition in Spain. More specifically Jews are singled out for this condemnation.
So Gilad is presenting Catholicism in 1936 Spain in a positive light, starkly contrasted against Jewishness. Sorry Saker, you will know what I mean when I say that I think you just gave Cain the microphone.
Absolutely valid, I missed that bit. Thanks.
I don’t really care who the ones fighting fascism in Spain were.I honor them for fighting fascism when most wouldn’t. But assuming the figure he gave was right (I’m not sure,maybe).That means 75% of them weren’t Jewish anyway.So 3 out of 4 would probably have come from Christian backgrounds.Being 3/4 of a group is a heavy majority anytime.
They were not from Christian backgrounds, they killed Christians.They were mostly marxists and communists, and their sympathizers, organized by the Soviets.
Cain was the father of the arts.
This is an awesome CrossTalk which demonstrates just how disconnected the Jews, Zionists, or whatever are from Reality or any figment of Truth!
In addition to the latest articles on Gilad’s website at http://www.gilad.co.uk there are 15 articles by him from the period 2003-2011 here, which might be described as “vintage Atzmon”.
It seems to me that Atzmon thinks that good people can prevail without religion. The Saker seems to think that God is necessary to give goodness a focus. (Sorry if I misrepresent). I’m all for religion but a religion based on love, a love that is different than that practiced by patriarchal religions today. Patriarchal religions also include secular ones based on money and power. Sex is at the root of all religions, as implied in the word patriarchal. Thanks for the high quality critical thought. More at thelovegovernment.com.
Some people even risk blowing their cover to defend their side.
That is very touching.
@ All Non- Jews,
Here is an Israeli Jew warning us Non- Jews about Israel and its Zionist Jews followers.
He explains what will happen to all Non- Jews lives as well as their churches/ mosques when Israel is *mighty*.
You best take this very brave Israeli Jewish man’s words seriously and ponder deeply.
God and Jesus Christ protect us from these demons.
Greek Minister of Finance pushes Zionist Jew back. Watch this to the end:
Just watched that six-parter from Feb 14,Texas.Wow. you are so lucky to have a thinker like this as a friend.I can only live vicariously ,but feel he is a friend in spirit.thanks for the intro.
In this presentation there are two major faults. Gilad accepts the invention of Holodomor as a real event, though such a thing never existed: it was invented by Bandera, Nazis and other Russia-haters in order to build their anti-Russian Ukraine. Gilad also negates fight of international brigades in Spain in 1936. Even if they were only Jews (far from it) I’d bless them for their first fight against the Nazis. Regretfully, Gilad began well, but came to accept Nazis historiography. I tried to argue with him, but he replied with abuse. For Gilad, whoever does not agree with him is a sayan or worse. Probably readers of your blog will be able to judge for themselves.
that’s too bad. Saker’s not like that. He thinks multi-polar is the best way.
I’m sorry to hear Gilad was rude to you Israel. I’ve looked at your site once, and thought you must be a nice man. And I enjoy your articles. I’m not sure how you feel about Putin…I remember being slightly disappointed once by an article…perhaps that was why. I really like Putin.
“Spitting in the face of Israel’s Arab citizens”:
By Haggai Matar and Yael Marom
The fate of the Arab Israelis is sealed. And long has been. ‘Transfer’ when the opportunity arises. That the Galilee Arabs were not expelled in 1947-8, as planned, thanks to the intervention of Arab forces, enraged Ben-Gurion.
Arabs have been imported like crazy back then. While for Jews there were quotas.
Here’s some reality for you: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFmandate.html
“The gates of Palestine remained closed for the duration of the war, stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, many of whom became victims of Hitler’s “Final Solution.” After the war, the British refused to allow the survivors of the Nazi nightmare to find sanctuary in Palestine. On June 6, 1946, President Truman urged the British government to relieve the suffering of the Jews confined to displaced persons camps in Europe by immediately accepting 100,000 Jewish immigrants. Britain’s Foreign Minister, Ernest Bevin, replied sarcastically that the United States wanted displaced Jews to immigrate to Palestine “because they did not want too many of them in New York.”
Some Jews were able to reach Palestine, many smuggled in by way of dilapidated ships organized by members of the Jewish resistance organizations. Between August 1945 and the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, 65 “illegal” immigrant ships, carrying 69,878 people, arrived from European shores. In August 1946, however, the British began to intern those they caught in camps in Cyprus. Approximately 50,000 people were detained in the camps, 28,000 of whom were still imprisoned when Israel declared independence.”
Needless to say, you also never heard of a guy called Grand Mufti of Jerusalem al-Hosseini.
That would be the same guy who built the moslem nazi SS-Division Handjar in Bosnia with some 50,000 jihadists. He was also a great personal friend of your idol Hitler and saved from persecution yet again by the Brits after the second world war.
Hitler ‘my idol’??!! Not even remotely. I can see why Jews wished to reach Palestine, after the Zionists had condemned so many to the death camps in exchange for the young and fit being allowed to reach Palestine. Ben-Gurion did say, if you recollect, that, if forced to choose between saving half the Jewish children of Europe by sending them to Palestine, or all the children by sending them to England, he would choose the former. I see no problem in Jews living in Palestine, and simply object to their vicious aggression and racism in setting out to ethnically cleanse the region of its millennial inhabitants, and after 1967, keeping the Palestinians imprisoned, tortured, dispossessed, humiliated and routinely murdered. If Israel persists, inside its 1947 borders with the Palestinian Right of Return respected, as is International Law, I see no reason for Jews not to live in Palestine, so long as they behave decently towards others.
I agree fully with Israel Shamir.
I like Atzmon because his philosophical approach to de-cnstruct Jewish racism, Jewish cosmopolitism, Jewish lobbying power… but I think that in some questions, he sees the “Jewish supremacist” over all historical deeds were some Jewish individuals were, and he makes big blunders, which lead him to the classical right-wing historiography. Holodomor and 36 war in Spain are two examples.
Aboout Holodomor, that narrtive is of the rightwing banderism, which Zionism is also promoting in Ukraine. Yes, AngloZionism imperialism often promotes ideologies that at the first glance seem inimical to it. This is one example. Or the case of Poland as the “victim of Russia/USSR/communism”. Does anybody think that AngoZionist Imperialism is really thinking of the Jews in the interwar Poland when they are promoting such a narrative? No. They are only focused in their idological objectives: Capitalism and breaking sovereign blocs or alternative States. Thay also endorsed Franjo Tudjman neo-ustasha in Croatia. Holodomor became part of the same game during Cold War.
About Franco and Civil Wa in Spain, which by the way started when the rightins financial circles and top-general did not accept a democratic election result… technically we can think that Franco and the military clique which was the core of the State were not fascists (really, they had no problems rapproching with USA and Cold War “democracies” after 1945 droppipng ntheir fascist aesthetics and cadres… but we can think that what would happen if Mussolini and Hitler remained in power). Technically. But if we took a glance to the ideology, rhetorics, State-structure, for the period 1939-1945 the Francoist State was shaped in a pretty fascist mode (and lets not deceive ourselves, a great part of Europear right saw it in a positive light before WWII). Franco empowered a minor fascist party (althought “controlled”), the Falange, the cadres of the monarchist party were evolving to a kind of “bourgeois-fascism” (there is such a consensus on tit), the totalitarianism was essential ofor the State, the economic and labour policy was followinf the fascist model… other thing is that being Franco and the military clique who held the power at the ultimate instance, they partially could get rid of it when was not needed and evolve to a sort of “Catholic technical dictatorship”, but for the period 1936-45, the State was fascist, of like Spanish historians say “fascistized” (this is the trendy word).
They also behaved in the “fascist way”; they acted for the extermination of the enemy, both during the Civil War (the death marche towards Madrid, through Andalusia), and also after it. Although Spain was fullof Civil Wars during the XIX siecle (Liberals vs Carlists-traditionalists), the physical extermination of the enemy after war was a Franco novelty. The objective of “erasing all thet reminds to the Republic” was fulfilled.
I am Basque and I know what I talking about.
Other things, about churches: International Brigades were not attached to public order/repression tasks. They role in the church looting or burniing was ery sideline, if it was. Church-burning or religious-prosecution was not a reason for the Coup d’Êtat either; it does not appear in the Franco proclamation, neither in the Mola proclamation, The Church-burning started once the Civil War was set (like revenge), not before. Not to mention the Franco’s prosecution to the Catholic Priests that did not supported him; in my country, Francoiests killed 26 Basque priests, because they were (allegedly) Basque nationalists.
Overall, I like Atzmon and his exposure of the Jewish progressivenes and Jewish ideology of “uniqueness”; but this too examples he lost the track.
And your freedom loving people united with the CIA to assassinate Carrero-Blanco. And hundreds of others. Birds of a feather..
Oh, I am delighted for that wonderful Off-topic. As long as I go, this post is about Atzmon, and Atzmon statements here, where among toher things, he suggests that Franco was not a fascist. I doubted abut Atzmon’s statement and talked about my reasonsand arguments to contradict Atzmon. Have you something to discuss that? I would like to know, instead of tlak me about “my loving people kilong Carrero and hundreds”. OK, I want to know what followed you to link myself to ETA in that ad-hominem attack and not to discuss my argumentation (about Atzmon’s statements)
Going about ETA: There is no proof about that ETA-CIA connexion, put ahead by the Spanish far right and some Eurocommunists (which were in the “peceful strategy” and eventually came to the reform in 1978). Admiral Carrero Blanco (indeed a bloody killer) was a student in the Navy Academy of USA, and among his plans was featuring Spanish Navy model. This is a serious community, not a hidingplace for trolls.
So the both the left and the far right were of the same opinion re that connection. Hmmm…
I like his defense of Deuidonne.
ETA = CIA
The question and answer the Saker and Glad Atzmon engage in is interesting but troubling all by itself. To me, they redefine what makes a tiny nation of seven plus humans be seen as unstoppable power by billions of other humans. Is that not really the question as well as it’s own answer? Those abused billions supply the power. Here is where the center of the power of the United States lies: genocide. That Ukraine is ( planned for Russia as soon as), the the next manifestation after Gaza and the Palestinian US/Israeli genocide, is clear. GAZA has been the US world advertising campaign of it’s unique deadly power. All human rights are removed through US NATO membership, one country at a time, globally. USA CIA orchestrated. Russia refuses, eliminate her any way there is.
“Israel, the war is celebrating”:
If you are the real Israel Shamir, what u say does not surprise me.
Israel Shamir is a Stalinist apologist who never misses a chance to downplay the well documented enough crimes of the Stalin regime. Btw, there are many who do so, very freely, even though the horrific crimes of the Stalin regime are much better documented than the alleged Hitlerite ones. However, there are and there have always been people – as it should be possible btw – defending the criminal stalinist regime, not only in Russia but also in the West, but try to be rational about Hitler, NS Germany and one is immediately considered to be the worst type of person. In fact, contradicting with facts the ridiculous allegations of mass gassings and 6 trillion jews killed by the third Reich can lead one to jail in many countries. At the very least, it’s professional suicide to do so. Why use the police and the judiciary not to mention the mass media to supress the honest debate of the “holocaust”? Bc the story is a lie.
ABout the Holodomor; it never happened? Well, one could certainly make the case that it was not ‘genocide’ since it also happened to other ethnic groups, i.e, the Ukrainians were not targeted for their ethnicity. I think this is largely irrelevant though.
The famine was man made, it was a huge crime that killed millions and it was very real indeed.
Solzhenitsyn, for one, took this position:
Mass shootings, man made famines, slave labor and punitive camps(Gulag), horrific deportations and more cost the lives of some 20 million until the death of nice uncle Stalin.
A lot of the evidence comes from the only partially – and very unreliable and self serving – Soviet archives. The picture that comes out, an incomplete one, is horrible.
well, I don’t know which is true, but Putin doesn’t hate Stalin. He said that he doubted Stalin would have dropped a nuclear bomb much less two nuclear bombs on anyone.
And Stalin’s son died in prison. I doubt any Bush son would ever die in prison.
I’ve heard that demonization of Stalin was very organized. And those famines were not malicious, they were dis-orgainization at its worst. But Lenin and Trotsky are to blame for that, as much as Stalin.
Anyway, looking back in anger is a dead-end.
And the fact that billions of people work for a small cartel is true…I guess we have to re-organize ourselves, and Luca, in reality, Israel Shamir and you and me are on the same side….so don’t divide…unite….
The ‘alleged’ Hitlerite (crimes)? Six ‘trillion’ Jews? How are things at Stormfront today?
Sweet how you twist the words to fit your agenda. It’s not like his words were hard to understand.
Holodomor as a specific move to exterminate the “Ukrainians” never existed. What did exist, was a famine all over the USSR, due to our wall-street-powered “communists” who instead exported or otherwise just destroyed the harvest.
So the famine was real, the “Holodomor” as a specific Ukraine-oriented thing was not.
Dear The Saker,
A very interesting interview. Thank you for sharing it with us.
The problem is we can’t question or debate and as he says we don’t talk about the important things. Its all distraction sadly. Humankind needs to wake up.
Playing “catch up here”. Well done interview.
There is no twisting and no agenda. I specifically allowed for the interpretation that the famine was not Urainian specific. So u wasted our time.
“I’ve heard that demonization of Stalin was very organized. And those
famines were not malicious, they were dis-orgainization at its worst.”
Well Ann, to the degree that it exists it is countered by well organized and strong Stalin apologia, in Russia and in the West. Wanna talk about 24/7 demonization, think Hitler and National Socialism.
Why not question that for a change?
The famines were not malicious? This is the product of slalinist propaganda
which as I have said, does exist in the West and Russia.
The famines were the result of ruthless policies conducted by criminals who knew very well what was happening and continued to carry out said policies.
It was not mere ‘mismanagement’ or something of the sort as that Moglia guy contends(he actually hardly spends more than a couple of words on the whole thing!!).
Ann, let me be clear; I’m with Russia and Putin re the neocon created crisis in the Ukraine. I despise ZUSA, NATO and the treasonous euro elites. I admire Putin quite a bit and root for Russia as it may lead us back to a more balanced multipolar world as well as a comeback(tentative) of some important values which are disappearing in the West.
Putin is no Stalin and Russia is no Stalinist Su. Even the Soviet Union history in fact has distinct phases. We cannot compare life under Stalin to life under Andropov.
With that beign said, supporting the Russian position now does not mean that I buy into Stalinist/Soviet propaganda or the current russian government’s position of whitewashing Communist crimes – lion’s share of which commited from the October revolution to Stalins death – or, for that matter, their use of ‘history’ as tool to bolster Russian nationalism and its rallying myths, such as ‘the great patriotic war’. The Russian government does not wish WWII history to be re-examined
bc it knows that the story of a peace loving and trusting Stalinist Russia is false. It should be remembered that this is not at all something only Russia does. The US, UK, France, the treasonous german elites empowered by the victors of WWII, the Jews, all have a stake in perpetuating myths and falsehoods re WWII, the so called holocau$t, and other alleged atrocities attributed to Germany, real or made up.
Furthermore, Putin is a former KGB officer and(if the wiki article is
correct) the son of an NKVD agent who served the Stalin regime.
The NKVD was responsible for millions of deaths, mass shootings, the Gulag,
mass deportations, this is all well documented. So Putin not wanting to rock the boat makes perfect sense.
you’re a hardened propagandist Luca. I don’t agree with any of this. Hitler was a madman.
Reading your response to my post made me realize 2 things;
1. Your a very poorly informed person.
2. You cannot think outside the box. Switching one type of brainwashing for another does not an independent thinker make.
Sorry Ann, thought you were smarter than that.
First off, anti-Semitism is wrong because I don’t believe in hating any group of people. I support Israel and Zionism because it is a new option for helping Jews instead of the failed assimilation option of the last thousands of years. The Diaspora has changed Jews and made them suffer persecution. Nationalism is healthy and required to balance internationalism. Feeling connected to the land instead of living as guests in foreign countries should be encouraged.
What Atzmon said about universal ethics is intriguing but I disagree with him. Instead of universalism, I support multiversalism. Different ethics for different peoples. Tolerance and appreciation instead of forcing others to adopt your universal ethics. I also believe that Israel belongs with the Eurasian Union and SCO. It’s clearly an Asian country. I’ve been reading a lot about Jabotinsky and Abba Achimeir, there’s a book that is about 250 pages called, “The Jewish Radical Right.” I recommend this book for anyone who wants to understand Likud’s and Netanyahu’s policies and philosophy.
I am a Revisionist Zionist myself, even though I am not Jewish. I’m simply a right-wing, conservative Republican. Revisionist Zionism is a right-wing movement that has been slandered as “fascist” in the past. Vladimir Jabotinsky and Abba Achimeir are, in my opinion, the best Jewish philosophers in the 20th century. They both rejected liberalism and communism as decadent and “overcivilized” ideologies that will lead the West to decay and collapse. The type of Zionism that they espoused was not Labor Zionism, which is similar to combining socialism with Zionism (i.e. kibbutz, etc.). Take a look around the world today, only the West is liberal and soft-Marxist. Israel, Russia, China, India, and the rest of the non-Western world are not even close to being “liberal” up to Western standards. Other than Japan and Singapore, which are at best, semi-authoritarian, almost every country falls short of the maximization of individual freedom, as liberalism entails. Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians, Russia vis-a-vis Caucasians/Chechens, China vis-a-vis Tibetans, etc. Furthermore, complete equality for all gender, races, ethnicities, religions, etc. does not exist in non-Western countries.
All Israel has to do is listen to Jabotinsky and Achimeir about the dangers of emulating Western liberalism. Netanyahu has said that “liberalism is a Jewish curse.” Russia, China, and India are perfect future partners for Israel. Also, America being the place of my birth, I also want America to soften her liberalism and embrace a more socially conservative ideology. Respecting the US’s Christian, Anglo-Saxon roots and downplaying multiculturalism is essential to keep America united. Arguably the most influential US political scientist of the second-half 20th century, Samuel Huntington said that Western values are not universal and should not be forced down other civilizations. If Westerners would listen to the advice of Samuel Huntington about the “Clash of Civilizations,” there wouldn’t be conflict in Ukraine or the Middle-East today. “Respect civilizational boundaries,” says Huntington.