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Hello from Russia.
I have a feeling whether people do not hear what Putin says, whether they do not understand what he says or his words are deliberately translated not completely or not correctly.
1) at the press conference sounded a bomb that few people heard and few understood in the Western part of the planet:
“I mean the high-profile case, involving [Bill] Browder’s Hermitage Capital company. According to our investigative officers, a group of people – Mr Browder’s business partners – who illegally made over $1.5 billion in Russia did not pay taxes either in Russia or the United States but transferred this money to the United States. They contributed $400 million to Ms Clinton’s election campaign. This is official information included in their reports – $400 million. Well, it was up to them, they might have done this legally, but the gains were ill-gotten.
We have grounds to suspect that US intelligence officers supported these illegal transactions. This is only one step forward. We can talk about expanding our cooperation. You’re welcome, there might be options that are provided for in the appropriate intergovernmental treaty.” (V.V.Putin)
Do you even understand what those words mean? Putin essentially gave Trump 4 aces to solve all the problems within the United States and the destruction of the entire military lobby with the result of life sentences and death sentences of all his opponents, who are also Putin’s opponents. These words mean that Russia has proof that the election company Clinton was funded with dirty money. As these words mean what is up with these dirty money liberalise laws on sanctions against Russia and other laws against trump and so on.
If trump has the strength and intelligence to play the right game, he can ignite a fire that will simply set fire to the entire American elite. And he now needs to be very careful not to solve the issue as with Kennedy.
2) Putin is well aware of who he is dealing with. The presence of the Russian Deputy General staff in civilian clothes at the talks confirms this. It was also explained to Trump through Bolton at a meeting in Moscow, which was attended by Shoigu. Shoigu is one of the closest to Putin people, a person whose opinion and assessment are very important for the President, he never ignores them, he did not go to Helsinki for one simple reason, there was no similar person from the American side. You understand one Putin is trying to do everything so that cleaning in America was carried out by the Americans themselves, he gives a chance. Putin is the greatest politician of our time and he understands perfectly well that war is bad, from it first of all innocent people suffer, and in the case of a thermonuclear war millions of them will die.
All signals were sent to all parties: Israel in the form of a recently shot downed aircraft, America in the form of parts of the shown new strike systems of weapons and salvo launches of ballistic missiles from a submarine. Russia does not want war we value peace more than anyone else, because better than anyone we know what a war of annihilation is, but it does not mean that Russia is not ready for this war and will not fight if necessary. I have already written about it earlier in the comments to one of the articles very reasoned and on the points.
I respect the author of this article for his opinion and assessment, they are often very close to the truth, with one exception, he does not understand The Russian mentality and he unfortunately does not understand Putin, at least what our President says, and he, by the way, unlike many other politicians knows the price of every word. I think yesterday, after his words that I quoted above in the US, many people drank heart pills or poison, because yesterday was not just a signal, yesterday there was thunder.
Again, sorry for the bad English, I rely on the translator.
This is an excellent comment and analysis. The other day I made a brief post about the Trump-Putin press conference, i.e., that people might watch 1:09:00 to 1:10:10 to see that Putin had prevailed: Trump looked like Putin had just given him photos of Melia having sex with her yoga instructor while Putin was savoring the taste of canary. Someone commented that I had watched the talk very carefully, but in truth I had just skimmed forward to find the start of the press conference for later viewing, but my guess was that Putin had shown Trump just how his intelligence community had betrayed him. Later, listening to the press conference, Putin’s claim that they had guided William Browder to loot Russia and then put $400,000,000 into HRC’s coffers fit that bill. I have had the opportunity to view “The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes” several times and to speak via Skype with Andrei Nekrosov during a (private) screening. Because of its suppression it has not received an adequate review despite Gilbert Doctorow’s excellent efforts, and it has been deliberately, cynically, and deceitfully represented by Amy Knight in the February 22, 2018 New York Review of Books, from which a vast majority of the world’s intelligentsia receives its misinformation. This comment by Nonlinear Equation puts substance over form. There is little doubt that some heads will roll, figuratively, and quite possibly literally; but if the latter it will be Trump’s.
Looks like Browder is worried:
“After Vladimir Putin said during his summit with Donald Trump that he expected Russia get the right to question the co-founder of Hermitage Capital Management, who was accused of never paying taxes on $1.5 billion earned in Russia, Browder claimed he feared for his life due to his role in the Magnitsky act.
William Browder, the CEO and co-founder of Hermitage Capital Management, an investment fund, has alleged in an interview with US broadcaster CNN that letting Russian agents interrogate him would cost him his life…..”
Considering the Senate voted 98-0 to pass a non-binding resolution urging US President Donald Trump not to allow Moscow to interview US officials involved in criminal cases in Russia – this did not include Browder – only US officials. Of course he goes to “fake news” media CNN to spread his lies.
“They contributed $400 million to Ms Clinton’s election campaign. This is official information included in their reports – $400 million.”
The official report has been ‘corrected’ …
” … our president asked us to correct the sum for $400,000 from $400 million,” … The Russian Prosecutor General’s Office spokesman Alexander Kurennoy has stated.
(now … one thousand times less … )
What we have here is the McCarthy fenomena of our era – only the mirror image of that particural fiasco.
Let me quote from someone watching that epoch from up close:
“But I was wrong again. Instead, a friend of mine was right. He was at that time a member of the Central Intelligence Agency, which at that time included some Americans. And he happened to be in Wheeling, West Virginia, on the 9th of February, 1950, when Senator McCarthy made his famous speech in which he stated that there were 57 members of the Communist Party or of the Soviet espionage apparatus in the State Department in positions of responsibility and that the State Department knew that they were there. After the speech, my friend found an opportunity to talk to McCarthy alone. He told him, “Senator, you said there were 57 known Communists in the State Department. If you had access to the files of my agency, you would know that there is absolute proof that there are ten times that many. But Senator, you do not realize the magnitude and the power of the conspiracy you are attacking. They will destroy you — they will destroy you utterly.
But Senator McCarthy merely shook his head and said, “No, the American people will never let me down.” He was wrong too, you see.” http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1968/06/what-we-owe-our-parasites/
Imo, McCarthy was about the last chance we had to get rid of the virus using the political process, that caused the disease. We are at the last stage of the effects of that cancer, and the prognosis is not optimistic.
After major surgery, loss of blood and limb, the patient might survive, but he is not gonna be the same ever again..
There are three publications as of late, supporting the rightousness of Sen. McCarthy’s fight by Ann Coulter, Stanton Evans and Diana West. They are downloadable, if you are interested about the minute details of the absolutely gigantic scale of that conspiracy.
Mr Trump chose to put on the same led boots, whether he knows it or not, we’ll see if he can wear them.
The life, fame and fortune of every single person surrounding him is in great danger.
The consensus is, that the machina is trying to commit a coup against the Prez, but imo, the narrative is upside down once again: the Prez needs to pull a coup against the establishment, there must be a night of the long knives, if he wants to survive personally and politically.
Now, Mr Putin – it seems – has managed this very same manuever, or at the very least, is working hard on the equasion. He can be an invaluable ally, in more way than one…
Mr Trump can help Mr Putin in Russia and Mr Putin can extend the favour to Mr Trump in DC. Plausible deniability being the name of the game.
That is where I think we are at the moment…
There is a fuli-blast mind control regime in US “higher education” and even worse in the corporate media about the truth behind the McCarthy legacy. When the Venona revelations came out the media reduced it to a couple mentions and it didn’t make dent in the “history” departments. Later the archives of KGB officer Vasily Mitrokhin were revealed in “The Sword and the Shield” by Christopher Andrew and these independently confirmed the depth of Soviet espionage. There is an excellent book called “In Denial” that details US higher ed’s screening out of this material. See if even graduate programs in US history mention the Reece Committee investigations into the influence of “philanthropic” organizations–you can find the docs at archive.org. (Curiously the billionaires were funding radical left-wing causes in the US).
In the 90s there was a parade of ex-intel people and scholars on C-Span explaining all this. Ignored by the universities for the most part. Lately we have Timothy Weiner’s “Enemies” history of the FBI that manages to acknowledge Soviet penetration of all US intel ops while going on to claim that it didn’t make any difference!
A similar “screen” is maintained regarding the rape of Russian assets by the Clinton Gang during Yeltsin’s time. I used to read dispatches from Moscow at WorldNetDaily by Anne Williamson explaining all this but none of it was reported in US media. She is worth a read still
another independent named William Engdahl has covered this ground.
You can find the writings of the scholar Antony Sutton on line for free. He is like the “prehistory” of the books mentioned above by Diana West, Coulter, and Stanton Evans. Basically the investment banking elites caused WW2 by building up both Hitler and Stalin, Sutton’s trilogy details the process (the name Bush never turns up in conventional histories of this era but “41”‘s dad was right in there at Brown Brothers Harriman. The John Birch Society published on this in the 60s and so was attacked by all the media as “extremist”. The JBS was extremely correct.
Now slightly less than half of the US population–and a clear majority of the young–fairly slobber at the prospect of putting on a bridle with a bit in the mouth (in Ms. Pelosi’s hometown they probably already are) with the guarantee of “free stuff” for their compliance. The future of everything hangs in the balance; there are some interesting loose ends not being discussed in public that may or may not be “in play” one of them being the mass arrests of child porn users/producers in the US this year (2,300) and none of it on the “news”. It went down the same memory hole as the “Pizzagate” scandal that every big media gun went into full-fire mode to shoot down. Anyone can view the Wikileaks supporting material and decide for themselves if it were real or not.
Ergo, the 9th cirquit of courts, the weather underground, and ultimately the Obamination.
Now here comes the mandarin Stalin, and dismantles everything we built in a century in two weeks.
Nonlinear equation —
Thank you for that explanation. The whole makes sense to me now.
It did seem that in the last minutes of the Putin/Trump exchange, I thought I was detecting a sense that as Putin watched Trump, he was critiquing a performance. Partly that might have been the case.
I hope the USA can put its house in order. Trump likely will not. The trouble here is that the current crisis has been a long time brewing. The American Security State is over 70 years old, and employs millions of people. In the whole country these people are among the only employees with any sort of predictability. Industrial outsourcing was the Magic Bullet that destroyed the possibility of responsible citizenship for millions of other people.
It’s that bad. The well-paid have a stake in continued chaos. The economically damaged, that is, the majority, have no voice. And the ones who voted for Trump now know that avenue is a dead end also.
Putin’s critique of his US counterpart was a nod, as your comment indicated, that the ball is now in America’s court. From the fury of the media (and out here in the plains west of the Alleghenies it’s truly savage) we can see the corporate masters are not going to let this president defuse the bomb.
I pray something else can. The millions of working class Americans, many who voted for Trump, know the truth and have no voice. I wish I could be more encouraging.
The story is slightly different.
The Browder’s Hermitage Capital case is a yawner to those of us who know that organized crime rules the world. There are millions of these cases – this is Mafia 101. Putin only mentioned the matter as a way to entice Trump to form a secret Russia-US Intelligence platform cutting out the Rothschild critters. As done in Syria with the Baghdad war room and the Astana format, as implemented currently in Afghanistan in collaboration with China, Pakistan, Iran. Good stuff!
Pleasantly surprised. Thanks.
Meanwhile, things are moving on. Left a comment in the article above, today specific signals were given.
Yes, I understood what Putin had said. Trump too. However, when Trump returned to Washington, he backtracked on what he said at the Press Conference.
Trump is one man. The Washington political establishment, run by neocons, is composed of many people. Can Trump, the single man, go against them ? Highly unlikely, if he does not have the support of the military, whose loyalty is questionable. Time will tell what will happen. I fear more of the same.
Reading all this, one underlying thought keeps recurring: Putin has served a death sentence on Trump. It is a sentence that only Trump can commute.
By announcing what he did about the Browder issue, Putin put Trump on notice that Trump’s enemies now also know what trump knows and therefore that Trump has to deal with it or the deep state human pathogens (I refuse to call them elite as that is very far from what they are) will deal with Trump. Perhaps that’s why Melania was looking just a tad worried when she shook hands with VVP?
The post and the comments here are closely related to the matters raised in article and comments under rubric “Coming Coup” at Saker…
Suggest readers read both posts and both sets of comments all together. http://thesaker.is/coming-coup-against-trump/#comments
As aside, Serbian (ex Yugoslavian citizens and ex Serbian Army (? They’re still young-ish, inactive reserve I expect)) can be found in the mountains of California. I know this for fact. They have great stories about fighting NATO… Wonderful men. They can drink an Anglo “under the table”, too… Their presence in California is a good example of un-intended or indirect effects…
My assessment? Best friends a man can have, and also the toughest (worst) opponents.
Totally irrelevant for the single reason, trump is too thick to get it. Although I do appreciate putin subtlety and sophistication, his counterpart on the american side is nothing but a bully. Lack of any deep thinking or sophistication. Simplistic in his method and pale in comparison to putin.
Two comments of my own –
1. I disagree with the statement of the close alliance between putin and shoigu. Putin is not a fan of neighter shoigu nor rogozin. Rogozin was moved aside easily but shoigu was forced on putin by the millitary who simply said that if he doesnt want tanks around the kremlin, he must live shoigu in his place.
2. trump has a tendency to get friendly fast but sour the relationship even faster. trump honeymoons are short. Very short. Learn the past, analyze the present and you safely can predict the future. See his relationship with Xi jinping, trudeau, may etc.
putin knows that, far from stupid, he knows he has a short honeymoon period and he will try to lock the most he can. At the end of the day, trying to create a wedge between europe and russia will not work as there is no substitute to the euroasian land mass (read mckinder essay from 1904)
Thanks. I agree. These people don’t understand Putin or Russia, including PCR.
That said, you suggest truth matters in the West. Are you sure you understand the West?
Precisely my point too.
West dont understand a singleword of what Putin says or what Russians catch. True.
But the other way around is unfortunately the same. Russians seldom understand how hardcore ignorant and brainwashed Western key figures are.
There was a kind of agreement about how to procede. According to Voltaire, this formal agreement has itself been revoked by he WH : http://www.voltairenet.org/article202078.html
ls it a dead deal? Or is it still possible to imagine some close future to it?
I just caught this article today, I don’t know how I missed it before. Having viewed the Magnitski video, I am well aware of who and what Browder is. Hindsight being 20/20…hopefully those who put their faith in Trump have by now realized their error. As there are those who do not understand Putin or Russians, there are those in the US who put their faith in a person that deserved no such faith. I am continually amazed that the people in the US do not know who they support, relying on the persona of the MSM as a primer. Hopefully, it is now clear who Trump obeys and was always indebted to. As always…follow the money…it never fails. If one wants to see more of this game, look into ACU and IPC, the players involved…and their plans.
The ACU, did you mean Abilene Christian Academy or Army Combat Uniform?
The IPC, did you mean the International Printed Circuits standardization organization?
Ok, since you have all the information, where does “the money” lead? I have absolutely no way of “following the money” of someone like Trump or Hillary.
This sort of inside club commenting is anti-communication.