by GH Eliason
Is Russia really the greatest threat to the world? The answer lies somewhere between how you define a threat and what you’re actually afraid of. At that starting point what the western world screams is scaring them isn’t a Russian bogeyman or specter of Russian world domination. It’s entirely different. It’s very weird. Ukraine was right. Russia in this context is the biggest threat to Ukraine and possibly the world.
To make the point many of the citations used in this article will come from Ukrainian nationalist scholarship. There was a brief golden age in Ukrainian nationalist scholarship when the academics actually tried to make sense of things going on in the world. They tried to stay with the facts. After a short time, the 15-year run-up to Euro-Maidan happened. They learned to lie, and afterward to spout off like they were put on what really powerful narcotics to try to romanticize and justify the atrocities committed in Donbass.
In a word, they joined their Ukrainian nationalist alumni in what US Secretary of Defense Aston Carter characterizes as the intellectually decapitated, which in a much kinder fashion I’ll describe as magically lobotomized.
“It (Ukrainian nationalism) was intellectually decapitated as a matter of deliberate policy during the Stalin years and beyond so that the most able and energetic Ukrainians were either killed or magnetically attracted to Moscow and Russified.” Zbigniew Brzezinski, “Ukraine and Europe,”Fulfilling the Promise: Building an Enduring Security Partnership Between Ukraine and NATO, Ashton B. Carter, Steven E. Miller, and Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, eds., The Stanford-Harvard Preventive Defense Project, 1999, pp. 33-34.”
But you see, this time, they don’t have Stalin to blame. It’s a matter of their own policy. This time in a like-minded fashion with their predecessors, they gave up the right to think. Ukrainian nationalism and nationalism in general frowns on real intellectual thought.
“ The nationalists insisted on the primacy of will over reason, action over thought, and practice over theory. Their doctrine of nationalism was[is] infused with aspects of the irrational, voluntaristic, and vitalistic theories…In the place of objective scientific discovery the nationalists propagated myths and favored an ideologically ‘correct’ image of the Ukrainian past. They promoted a cult of the struggle and reverence for national martyrs…”-Ukrainian Encyclopedia
Why does Ukraine claim to be at war with Russia?
What they are at war in their own minds and the minds of their handlers is something completely different and alien to most people’s conception. Ukraine is at war with the idea of a democratic Russia being more successful than they are and shining a light on the disaster of their imported Ukrainian Nationalist form of government.
For them, the Ukrainian civil war is a godsend to cover up the fact that they don’t have the first inkling about how to govern a country. If you look at the above core ideological statements, admitting loss to normal people and not a great power is something they literally can’t do on their own. That would negate the superiority of the Ukrainian nationalist spirit and drive. The west can’t go back and undo what’s been done. The West is stuck with the fact they were sold a stallion and the trailer delivered a gelded pony.
Of course saying they are at war with Russia has made them feel good about themselves. But how many imaginary invasions are they willing to own up to? The real benefit has been appeasing the Diaspora and keeping the money coming in. Having reported on the war for the past 2 ½ years, including doing invasive passport checks on soldiers across Lugansk Peoples Republic (LNR) in 2014, it’s simply not the case.
For Kiev, legitimacy is wrapped around it’s founding social contract with the Ukrainian people. When that was broken, its legitimacy was lost. What do I mean?
In 1991 Gorbachev called for a referendum to decide the fate of the Soviet Union which was:
1.(‘Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and the freedoms of all nationalities will be fully guaranteed?’). Kravchuk, the highest political leader in Ukraine added two other questions to the referendum.
2.(‘Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of a Union of Soviet Sovereign States on the basis of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?’)
3.(‘Do you want Ukraine to become an independent state which independently decides its domestic and foreign policies, and which guarantees equal rights to all of its citizens, regardless of their national or religious allegiance?’)
The 70.5 per cent support for Gorbachev’s question was not unexpected, but the Ukrainian question received an even higher 80.2 percent, and 88.4 percent voted for independence in Galicia”.-Ukraine: Perestroika to Independence Second Edition Taras Kuzio
According to Kuzio, because of the high percentages of all the answers across the referendum, supporters of every question could claim victory.
One of these three questions represents the conditions that Ukrainians seceded from the Soviet Union with. Since the first two never made it out of the gate, Ukraine as a sovereign government had a social contract based on the response to the third question. This should go down in the history books as the “Great Galician lie.”
According to Ukrainian Nationalist scholar, Taras Kuzio quoting Melnyk the head of the UNA executive, the whole matter of independence wasn’t settled by by democratic forces wanting independence. It was in fact support for authoritarianism and nationalism decided by the higher organs of power in Ukraine. Kravchuk was chosen as president based on his hatred for democracy and Russian democracy in particular. Radical Nationalist Parties And Movements In Contemporary Ukraine Before And After Independence: The Right And Its Politics, 1989-1994 Taras Kuzio
Who were the “higher organs of power in Ukraine” that could ignore the Ukrainian people and decide on their behalf?
Once again Taras Kuzio sheds light not only on this but how the road to the Maidan coup and the current civil war was paved. These higher organs of power, for the most part, had never even been to Ukraine. Their family never lived in a country called Ukraine. They make up the Ukrainian emigre leadership. He states that Ukrainian emigres tend to be from Western Ukraine and are more “nationally conscious” and politically radical.
Going further he states that the emigre groups have considerable political influence, are well financed, and have had a strong impact on domestic Ukrainian politics since 1988. Because of this, it has never been a matter of “who” was controlling Ukraine, but what direction they wanted to go in.
The Ukrainian nationalist movement had been divided between a messianic element (OUNb) which would enforce its beliefs using force and OUNm and play down the nationalist cultural card and try to appeal to the south and east economically to transcend the regional divide.
In Donbass, the OUNm tactic worked. By promising to raise economic conditions so they would be livable, they got the miners support. This was the game changer for them. At the same time, they already made the decision that Donbass would be paying for the costs of independence and reform at an inordinate rate. This would happen by dropping wages and living conditions across Donbass and taking the wealth from the industrial region after it was too late to turn back. Ukrainian Freedom ended up being one of the greatest bait and switch games ever played. Like I said it’s the “great Galician lie.”
Who was at the head of the Ukrainian diaspora? This is an interesting question because leadership revolved around small groups of people no matter how many groups you look at, political affiliations, or the connections you make in Ukraine, Europe, or America.
From 1986- 2003 the leader of the OUNb was Slava Stetsko. Stetsko gained the mantle from her husband who died in 1986, Yaroslav Stetsko. He was the right hand to Stepan Bandera. Stetsko is the only Axis WWII leader who can claim eventual victory over the Allies even though this trio were responsible for the first Holocaust of WWII. It was the mass execution of over 30,000 Jews at Babi Yar. They starved 3 million war prisoners to death in Ukraine. They tortured and murdered close to ½ million Ukrainians. And they were never tried in court for these crimes.
Instead, they financed the radicalization of Ukraine and radical political parties starting before 1989. The biggest influence proved to be bringing back OUNb children groups from the Diaspora. These children groups were still labeled by the CIA as Bandera terrorist groups until the 1980’s. During WWII they planted bombs and murdered civilians that disagreed with Nazi ideology.
In far-flung Nazi strongholds like New York, Boston, Stamford, Philadelphia, and Geelong, Australia emigre kids are still taught that Stepan Bandera is a saint to be worshiped and a perfect person that they need to model their lives after. This same Bandera, who committed the crimes listed above strangled cats for fun as a child. Having a sado/masochist bent, he was often found at school torturing himself by slamming his own hand in a door, over and over.
Bandera ordered his followers to rape, torture, and murder; men, women, and children as a sign of heroism and dedication to the cause of his nationalism. This is why it is so prevalent today with the Ukrainian volunteer battalions like Pravy Sector, Azov, Donbas, Kiev Rus, or Aidar.- When Nazi Hands Rock American Cradles GH Eliason
Even Ukrainian state symbolism which was given by the emigres celebrates this today by integrating the 3 prong pitch fork (trident- 3 tooth) as the national symbol for Ukraine. In WWII, the 3 prong pitchfork was a favorite tool for murder and torture by Bandera’s OUNb and they found it especially useful when used on small children as a torture for parents.
If you think about it, in any other context a child that is taught this was good behavior by adults would probably be removed from the home. Wasn’t there a national outcry for the children of Waco? They weren’t taught this. Before you get too upset, just remember, they are your neighbors, not mine. People like Victoria Nuland grew up in these children groups and now set foreign policy regarding Eastern Europe and Russia.
In Stamford, CT how far do you think this could go? “On October 16,2011, members of the 54th branch of CYM “Khersones” in Stamford, CT attended a mass and requiem service in honor of the great Ukrainian hero and freedom fighter, Stepan Bandera…The SUM members and the faithful present that day enjoyed a beautiful and emotional homily about the life and achievements of Stepan Bandera delivered by Reverend Bohdan Danylo, Rector of St. Basil’s Seminary in Stamford.
He instructed the children on how they can model their own lives on Bandera’s by following his example of self-sacrifice and unwavering dedication to his country. Following the homily, Father Bohdan distributed candles to each child which burned brightly during a stirring execution of the prayer “Vichnaya Pam’yat” in honor of the great hero of the Ukrainian nation.”
Ukrainian nationalist scholar, Taras Kuzio goes on to say that CYM was set up in East Ukraine to indoctrinate Donbass children into integral nationalism and Plast was set up in West Ukraine in 1989. Adolf Hitler’s nationalism, like the Ukrainian emigre, is called integral nationalism. “Integral” means you answer to the ideology in every aspect of your life and every decision is checked against the ideology.
The emigres today, regardless of what country they live in hold the same type of Nazi ideology (integral nationalism) Adolf Hitler had for Germany as being more precious than their own lives.
By February 1991 it started to pay off in Ukraine. Radical nationalism exploded among the youth, and Rukh, which was Ukraine’s leading nationalist party attracted them. The youth called for the party to adopt the mythologized version of the OUN ideology. The OUNr (OUNb and m) were supporting the groups financially and ideologically promoting radical nationalism.-Radical Nationalist Parties And Movements In Contemporary Ukraine Before And After Independence: The Right And Its Politics, 1989-1994 Taras Kuzio
According to Ukrainian apologist Anne Applebaum -“…rather than acknowledging that nationalism is fundamentally emotional. In truth, you can’t really make ‘the case’ for nationalism; you can only inculcate it, teach it to children, cultivate it at public events.”– Anne Applebaum historian for UCCA history project (Wife of Poland’s Foreign Minister, Radislaw Sikorski
The social contract between Ukraine’s government and the people was broken with Ukrainians before it was put on paper. It was broken during the Orange Revolution. It was broken again during the Maidan coup. The war has been a civil war. The Ukrainian government attacked its people. The Ukrainian government destroyed its legitimacy.
Why is Russia the Greatest Threat to Ukraine?
After supporting Kiev, the western world is scared to death of a successful and popular Russian democracy next door. They are scared of a successful Crimea, LNR (Lugansk Peoples Republic), and DNR(Donetsk Peoples Republic). They, along with the rest of the CEE (Central and Eastern European Countries) are afraid that their own people will start to look east in hope of a better life than to the west. If Crimea, LNR, and DNR succeed, the government at Kiev and its emigre handlers are afraid nationalist Ukraine will fail.
Just before Ukraine declared its independence from the Soviet Union, Ukrainian nationalist forces in Ukraine and the Diaspora identified the greatest threat to their take-over project in Ukraine was a flourishing Russian democracy.
“Originally, in 1990, the SNUM-nationalists and the UNS(Ukrainian nationalist groups) espoused “revolutionary nationalism” (the ideology of the emigre OUNr). ..”The enemy of the Ukrainian administration is Russian democracy. The only weapon for it is state independence.” Hence, the UNA believed that Kravchuk’s anathema for Russian democracy would have transformed itself into support for authoritarianism and nationalism within an independent Ukraine, especially as both the UNA and the national communists supported state-based (not ethnic) nationalism and allegiance to independent Ukraine… The vote in favour of independence, which was made by the population of Ukraine, was not the result of the activity of the so-called ‘democratic forces’ (apart from, possibly, in the territory of western Ukraine), but was the result of the turn towards independence of the higher organs of power in Ukraine, as was seen in the election of Kravchuk as president of Ukraine,” claimed Melnyk, head of the UNA executive”-Radical Nationalist Parties And Movements In Contemporary Ukraine Before And After Independence: The Right And Its Politics, 1989-1994 Taras Kuzio
This paper by leading a Ukrainian nationalist academic was written almost 10 years before the Maidan coup. It clearly states Ukraine was never intended to be a democracy. The threat to Ukraine was its people wanting the freedoms and protections they would never know in their own country. The greatest threat to a nationalist tyranny was and is having a flourishing democratic government only one border away.
Kuzio’s insertion of Melnyk, the son of Waffen SS officer Andrei Melnyk shows the importance Nazi OUN politics played in the formation of today’s Ukraine even before its independence. Even its flag today is the WWII Nazi OUNb flag.
To reiterate, Melnyk went on to say that the old ruling layer would continue in rule and ruin the country. This happened. The revolution would be two stages and the first would be selling off Ukraine in small bits. This happened. The second part would start when a new generation of administrators, managers and academics appeared. This happened.
The Interregional Academy of Human Resources (MAUP) boasts of providing the education for more than 97% of the Ukrainian national government in the decades preceding Maidan. MAUP teaches Bandera nationalist/ messianic ideology.
In the wake of the Orange Revolution, Ukraine has witnessed a substantial growth in organized anti-Semitism. Central to this development is an organization, known as the Interregional Academy of Human Resources, better known by its Ukrainian acronym MAUP. It operates a well-connected political network that reaches the very top of the Ukrainian society. By September 2005, the number of students had grown to over 51,000, in November the same year to 57,000. MAUP is the largest private university in Ukraine, with 57,000 students at 24 regional campuses.- Pers Anders Rudling Canadian Slavonic Papers/Revue canadienne des slavistesVol. XLVIII, Nos. 1-2, March-June 2006 Organized Anti-Semitism in Contemporary Ukraine:Structure, Influence and Ideology
Guiding this decades-long process into hard nationalism while at the same time trying to give it a softer image the OUNb and OUNm were at constant odds with each other. OUNb (USA) wanted direct control, while OUNm (Canada) wanted native Ukrainians to take the reins and just supply guidance. Before Maidan, the OUNb decided to take full control and makes the decisions.
The second stage would be an energetic arrival of nationalism in an organized form. This was what Maidan was all about. This happened.
According to Kuzio, a major difference between nationalists and democrats is the question of “enemies.” Liberals are afraid of saying who the enemy of Ukrainian independence is, nationalists name that enemy- Russia.
Hating the enemy is the great unifying element of Ukrainian nationalist society and when a nation loses sight of its enemy it becomes disoriented. Freedom in Ukraine isn’t about liberty and responsibility. It’s based in the permanent politicization of society. Inequality is a fundamental principle of this structure. Only the strong (nationalists) should receive help from the state. Only the nationalists should be able to participate in the government or gain wealth. In Ukraine, prior to Maidan and now in an exaggerated fashion, no Senator or Minister can be tried for any crimes unless the Rada (senate) strips them of their immunity first.
When everything above is compared to even a fledgling democracy with all its faults, which would you choose? Now it’s easy to understand why all Ukrainian nationalists hate Russia and Putin so much.
What Makes Russia the Greatest Threat to Europe and the West?
To grasp this we need to get to a good starting point. If we look at US policy during the period of the Soviet Union’s collapse we see two possible policy directions.
The first one is called the Russia-first approach which is known as moderate globalism. The Russia-second approach was viewed as the “Cold War II” or radical globalism.
“The “Russia first” approach stresses that the main threat: is a weak Russia because patriotic feelings of offended Russians may lead to extreme nationalism; that is why it is dangerous to try to isolate and weaken Russia. Moscow’s central role in the FSU, where Russia has “vital, special interests,” is recognized by a positive attitude towards “some form of a common market and collective security framework.
The “Russia first”approach is also based on the arguments that “Russia was the central force in the destruction of the Soviet totalitarian state” and that without democratic Russia there will be no other democratic states. The policy of other new states is sometimes viewed as threatening Russia’s interests”.-Disintegration of the Soviet Union and the U.S. Position on the Independence of Ukraine. Discussion Paper 9509, Center for Science and International Affairs, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University Author: Olexiy Haran, Former Research Fellow, International Security Program, 19931994
If Russia devolved into a nationalist state the threat of war became exponential. Every other state that was part of the Soviet Union was sure to follow on hard nationalist lines. Today, imagine having to deal with another 22 hard-line nationalist countries that are non-negotiable. That was the real threat to Europe and the West and what they were afraid of.
Nationalism including Ukrainian nationalism today only understands force as a foreign policy. When your politics start with “we are perfect” it always ends with “you are not.”
Two main Russian nationalist groups today are Essence of Time led by Sergey Kurinyan and Alexander Dugin‘s National Bolshevik Front and the Eurasian Movement.
In the words of Alexander Nevzorov, a Russian political commentator, “if we had had Kurginyan and Dugin instead of Putin, there would have been hell for all of us to pay, they would have unleashed a European and World War without a shadow of a doubt, without considering consequences at all. But Dugin and Kurginyan do not have the slightest impact on what is going on in the Kremlin and do not even get coaching there.”- Sobesednik.ru
“For Russia, for a Russian person, the feeling of patriotism, the sense of national identification are very important – what is unfortunately being lost in some European countries,” Putin said. “We’ve got that inside of us, in our heart – love for the homeland.”Putin recalled the words of outstanding Soviet Russian scholar Dmitry Likhachev that patriotism drastically differs from nationalism.”Nationalism is hatred of other peoples, while patriotism is love for your motherland,” Putin cited his words.”-Putin reminds that “patriotism drastically differs from nationalism” TASS April 16
Why is Russia the Greatest Threat to the USA?
Nations get by in the world with the treaties and agreements they sign. Great nations are great because their word is their bond. They are trustworthy. No country they deal with needs to guess where they stand on an issue. The USA made its reputation across the world from the 1950’s through the 1980’s as a country that was trustworthy.
Since the 1990’s Russia has complained that they had an agreement that NATO “would not expand one more inch to the East” and encroach Russian territory. But did they?
According to the Brookings Institute, the answer is no! NOPE! And no! When Gorbachev was asked why he didn’t have Secretary Baker’s promise written on paper, Gorbachev said the “subject never came up.” –Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No” Steven Pifer Thursday, November 6, 2014
That should settle the issue, shouldn’t it? Or should it? Not quite. If the subject of NATO expansion never came up, why is it the stuff of urban legend now? Why would the government of Russia put so much stock in it? And lastly, where are all these journalists and academics getting the James Baker quotes from? That question even includes the Brookings Institute article which refutes the concept.
This subject has been studied by academics over the last decade and a half very carefully. The problem has been most of the information came only from the old Soviet archives about the period. Until recently, the US has kept it under wraps. The George HW Bush library recently released the files from the period and they are devastating to NATO expansion policy.
The latest study, which is inclusive of the previous academic material and answers the questions and speculations the papers put up also clearly demonstrates how one sided the US kept the documentation trail. It also shows that Mikhail Gorbachev would rather be called a liar than a fool.
The first premise is whether or not all binding diplomatic agreements are in writing. The answer is no. The qualifier is whether one party gives something substantial for an expected return. In this case, it was the prize of the Cold War, which was Germany “on the other side of the wall.” Whichever side would unite Germany under their politics determined the winner of the Cold War.
Verbal agreements are binding. “In international politics, if private and unwritten discussions are meaningless, then diplomacy itself would be an unnecessary and fruitless exercise…
…Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged, even non-”legally binding” agreements constitute a “necessary tool” of foreign policy. Put simply, explicit and codified arrangements are neither necessary nor sufficient for actors to strike deals and receive political assurances. Moreover, informal agreements and understandings were especially important during the Cold War. The 1962 Cuban missile crisis, for example, was resolved in part through an informal agreement whereby the United States and the Soviet Union each removed missiles near the others territory.”-“Deal or No Deal? The End of the Cold War and the U.S. Offer to Limit NATO Expansion” Journal Article, International Security, volume 40, issue 4, pages 7-44 Spring 2016 Author: Joshua R. Itzkowitz Shifrinson, Former Associate, International Security Program, 2012–2013; Former Research Fellow, International Security Program, 2011–2012
Shifrinson goes further to say the assurance called the Kohl/ Genscher (proposed by Germany) proposal became US State Dept. policy. It also guaranteed that NATO’s focus would be changed to political and it would wind down its security activity. The Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) would take over those duties and the Soviet Union was welcome to be a part of Europe’s security architecture.
In July 1990 discussions came to a head. “Discussions over the preceding weeks suggested that the Soviet position on Germany might change “depending on steps taken by NATO,” as Soviet leaders sought changes in NATO policy that would allow them “to tell our people that we face no threat—not from Germany, not from the US, not from NATO.”- ibid- “Notes from Jim Cicconi re: 7/3/90 pre–NATO Summit briefing at Kennebunkport”; and“Memcon from 6/22/90 mtg w/USSR FM Shevardnadze, Berlin, FRG.”
Throughout all this, the Soviets were dealing with the US the same way they had during the Cold War. Your word is your bond. You keep your promises. Instead, the US was already working to minimize the impact of its promises in real world application.
“Even before meeting the West German leadership at Camp David in late February 1990, Baker was ebullient over the prospect of reunifying Germany within NATO, noting in the margins of a briefing paper that, relative to the concessions the United States and West Germany would have to offer, “you haven’t seen a leveraged buyout until you’ve seen this one!”
The key to this end, as the paper elaborates was structuring the diplomatic process to create the appearance of U.S. attentiveness to Soviet interests, but actually avoiding a Soviet “veto” and giving Gorbachev “little real control” over the terms of German reunification.”- Ibid. See also Rice, “Preparing for the German Peace Conference.”
How is Russia threatening to the USA? When the Clinton presidency broke with post- Cold War policy it destroyed over 50 years of progress in the relationship between the US and the Soviet Union. When the Clintons started expanding NATO they made the German government, US State Dept. and US Government liars. On an issue as large as NATO expansion, the US is now an untrustworthy diplomatic partner. On the world stage, Russia can call the US a liar. Russia has called the US a liar. That’s the danger Russia poses to the USA today. –NATO’s Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow? By Uwe Klußmann, Matthias Schepp and Klaus Wiegrefe
Why Russia is the Greatest Threat to the World
The rest of the world is well aware of these things and it has left the governments of Europe and the US in a bind. Russia has said, no more. Earlier in the article, Ukrainian nationalist academic Olexiy Haran stated that Russia had single-handedly carried out the revolution against the Soviet Union.
George Kennan, the father of US Cold War Policy echoed these thoughts- ”I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don’t people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime…And Russia’s democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we’ve just signed up to defend from Russia,” said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952.-Foreign Affairs Now a Word From X By Thomas L. Friedman Published: May 2, 1998
If Russia was the bad guy of the Cold War, just who were they revolting against?
Olexiy Haran points out that “Sergo Mikoyan argues that under the Soviet rule Russians were exploited more than other nationalities and that a “Ukrainian mafia” controlled the Politburo, and overestimates the role of ultranationalist groups in Ukraine which are by now on the margins of Ukrainian politics. If the United States considers the Caribbean and Central America zones of vital interest, continues Mikoyan, why does America use a “double standard” and not recognize the “special rights” of Russia.”-Disintegration of the Soviet Union and the U.S. Position on the Independence of Ukraine. Discussion Paper 9509, Center for Science and International Affairs, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University Author: Olexiy Haran
Mikoyan is considered by the West to be the most knowledgeable academic on the Cuban Missile Crisis negotiations. While his father was negotiating the crisis from the Soviet side, Mikoyan served as his secretary and recorded the progress.
In 1991, if the Russians were rebelling against a “wild” Ukrainian faction in the Politburo, why was Ukraine rebelling against its own politicians? Why not just take over? This point shows the validity of the Ukrainian nationalist scholars work that is cited above and history has shown some of the limitations. It wasn’t Ukraine that seceded, it was Ukrainian-American emigres that did it for them.
The western world gave Russian president Vladimir Putin the challenge of becoming a moral compass for the world. And he took it. The one thing every country that deals with Russia knows is where they stand with them. When Vladimir Putin gives his word he keeps it. In all their dealings the Russians are seeking peaceful resolutions.
It isn’t peaceful or good times that define a leader. It is how they handle the bad ones. The western world brought the bad to Russia’s doorstep and because of this, Putin may well go down in history as one of the best leaders of the last century.
For Americans brought up in the afterglow of JFK’s “Camelot” it’s no wonder there is a spark of jealousy because we remember that legacy when Idealism reigned instead of ideology. We remember when it wasn’t Republican or Democrat, ultimately we were Americans. For that we should be jealous of the Russians. Vladimir Putin picked up that ball for Russia where we dropped it for America.
We need to rebuild our own political structures. We need to build our diplomatic core from scratch, by that I mean actually use diplomats. America needs to gut and rebuild its intelligence services. The model they switched to isn’t working. Social media, seriously? Most of all America needs politicians worth supporting. When your only choice is between Hitler and Ghengis Khan, who’s the winner?
“Yes, tell your children, and your children’s children, that you lived in the age of Bill Clinton and William Cohen, the age of Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger, the age of Trent Lott and Joe Lieberman, and you too were present at the creation of the post-cold-war order, when these foreign policy Titans put their heads together and produced . . . a mouse. We are in the age of midgets. The only good news is that we got here in one piece because there was another age — one of great statesmen who had both imagination and courage. As he said goodbye to me on the phone, Mr. Kennan added just one more thing: ”This has been my life, and it pains me to see it so screwed up in the end.”–Foreign Affairs Now a Word From X By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN Published: May 2, 1998
This article serves as the preamble to the Ukrainian and Russian sections of the Emigre Super Bloc series.
They also mass murdered the Armenians of southern Ukraine during WW2. The descendants of Bandera’ vile fascist nazi-loving vermin are my enemy. Those that aid and abet them are also my enemy, such as the US and EU, may they rot in hell.
So, then Mr. Eliason, in the end, we will see the Russian Emigree Superblock reflected in an article?
Glad to hear, I thought you had forgotten it.
I wonder if it will be published before the Russian elections…
Excellent! The tentacles of the Ukrainian Diaspora are well researched and exposed. Bravo to the author! I’m glad it’s a new series and looking forward to the next one.
Very interesting article, thanks.
Now I understand Australia’s hatred for Russia. Merely being a NATO member never seemed enough to explain this strange phenomenon.
I now see that all countries that hate Russia have something in common: a connected to Nazism – i.e., to satanic forces.
Australia? Why pick on Australia? Australia is not and never has been in the NATO.
So, why are they hitting Syrian army?
Nick, Australia may not b in NATO but we’re only a hairsbreadth from automatic involvement in ANY action NATO takes.
Do you honestly think Australia possesses ANY leader of any persuasion to have the kahuna’s to stand up to the US and say No!
I don’t. I can’t even summon the hope that one day we may even discover one. Far out mate, we can’t even get the men to parent the children here and most of the women are working as well.
Who are bringing up the families? Where will these future leaders come from?
Leaked Memo Proves Soros Ruled Ukraine In 2014: Minutes From “Breakfast With US Ambassador Pyatt”
Go a little further with Soros. I’ve mentioned him in passing in a few articles. He is a product of the “spring of nations.” Hungarian Iron Guard.
If you look him up in relation to the Atlantic Council and the CEEC, you’ll see that while he’s a leader, his power is in the group. He has the money, they supply the activists, soldiers, etc.
I’m glad Tyler Durden caught the email leak. If you read through the article they talk about setting up a counter media system and ministry. Over a year ago I wrote over 70 pages about the players and where they were getting their money from. Saker was kind enough to carry some of those articles.
Here is the crux of the problem.
Can you stop or influence George Soros when he does bad things? NOPE. Can you stop or influence Xa?NOPE.
Can you stop or influence Xb, Xc, or Xd? You may be able to stop Xb if the facts are conclusive. Xc and Xd are technical aspects and can be stopped. The wheel degrades and breaks without them.
What I’m describing is and isn’t information warfare. I have no stake in an ideology. My goal is to present a depth of facts case to save the lives of people in Donbass and Ukraine. Both are being sacrificed by Kiev.
The various nationalisms want WWIII to consolidate their own countries into their molds. I want to stop this march to war and I think we all should have that goal. If not for us, then consideration for the future of today’s children after us should be enough.
The ‘Spring of Nations’ was the name given to the Revolutions of 1848, which were a Masonic revolution. Admittedly Soros is a late product of that ‘spring’. But what would be the ‘Hungarian Iron Guard’?
The Iron Guard are the Hungarian nationalists. In WWII they were Waffen SS, torturers, and murderers. They moved to and consolidated in the USA, mostly upper mid-west. They have always pushed US politics to the hardline and have a nice little voting bloc going on. They are part of the CEEC which the larger article this is a part of opens up.
There is a little confusion here. The Hungarian nationalists were known as:
“The Arrow Cross Party (Hungarian: Nyilaskeresztes Párt – Hungarista Mozgalom, literally “Arrow Cross Party-Hungarist Movement”) was a national socialist party led by Ferenc Szálasi, which led a government in Hungary known as the Government of National Unity from 15 October 1944 to 28 March 1945. During its short rule, ten to fifteen thousand civilians (many of whom were Jews) were murdered outright, and 80,000 people were deported from Hungary to various camps in Austria. After the war, Szálasi and other Arrow Cross leaders were tried as war criminals by Hungarian courts…
After the war, many of the Arrow Cross leaders were captured and tried for war crimes. In the first months of postwar adjudication, no fewer than 6,200 indictments for murder were served against Arrow Cross men. Some Arrow Cross officials, including Szálasi himself, were executed”.
The ‘Iron Guard’ was a name used for a short time (1930-33) by the Romanian nationalists, better known as the ‘Legion of the Archangel Michael”, or the ‘Legionary Movement’. In January 1941 they have been all imprisoned by the military dictatorship of General (later Marshal) Antonescu, who allied himself with Hitler. Part of the leadership escaped to Germany, where they have been interned first in Rostock and then in the camp of Buchenwald until August 1944 (when Romania turned arms against Hitler), when the Germans released them and tried to organize a Romanian Government in exile. After the war, part of them returned to Romania (where they have been re-arrested in 1948 and served long sentences in jail), part remained in the West, where have been completely marginalized. It is altogether a different story from Hungarian nationalism.
But yes, Soros’ father, Tivadar Soros ‘collaborated’ with the Nazis (with Adolf Eichmann), like all The Aid and Rescue Committee, or Va’adat Ha-Ezrah ve-ha-Hatzalah be-Budapesht (Vaada) in order to help Jews to escape Hungary. The case of Rudolf Kastner (the Kastner train) is well known.
There is no Hungarian Iron Guard, there was till several years the Hungarian Guard (Magyar Garda), some sort of local militia, with some sort of uniforms, without any weapons or military constitution, formed by voluntary people who wanted to help the authorities to keep the local order. However, it has been dissolved by the government because of several clashes with the gypsy communities, in Hungary living many of them, mostly in the northern part of country and mostly in poverty.
You know a lot more about this than I do; I’ve read John Loftus’s books, and recently found this site, which seems consistent with his information as well as the comments here.
“Naturally, Ukrainian radicals were not the only ones to pour into the anti-Soviet network. Units and organizations like the Galicia battalions and OUN existed in many of the republics and East European countries: The Latvian Legion, the Belarusian team, the Arrow Cross in Hungary, the Iron Guard in Romania and the Bulgarian Legion were formed with the aid of the SS and worked for the Nazis.
Is this website a good reference? Any Comments?
“Adolf Hitler’s nationalism, like the Ukrainian emigre, is called integral nationalism. ‘Integral’ means you answer to the ideology in every aspect of your life and every decision is checked against the ideology.”
And yet these silly fools at the same time keep speaking ‘Westish’ about their dear Ukroland being ravaged by nasty Germans and Russians alike. The fact of the matter is that Bandera, just like Konrad Henlein in Czechoslovakia, was a bought and paid for German lackey to boot, having no commitments of his own whatsoever apart from spreading mayhem and murder, much like today’s degenerates who grovel before EU (Germany), happily trashing their silly joke of a country as per request.
Can’t resist the temptation to point out the fact that Pindoland is second to none in the realm of ‘integral nationalism’. Totally psychotic self-worship.
The Soviets made a big mistake with the republics idea. Yugoslavia did the same mistake. They should have followed the French Revolution idea. After the French revolution, France with area similar to Ukraine was divided into a 100 small departments. This protected France from division if another revolt or revolution happened. Russia and Yugoslavia should have studied the French Revolution. The world is in a lot trouble with the west’s use of the imaginary borders of soviet republics as fixed in stone and as a war weapon against Russia. The west had no problem taking away Kosovo from the republic of Serbia. The west has it own rules that can twisted for its needs. Thank god Russia is big enough to protect itself from the US empire.
No m8, Russia is an absolute hate fest, when you say Ukraine or Ukrainians you always mean ethnicity with that name, but when you say Russia you mean it’s government; let me assure you that no one hates Russians as much as Russians hate each other.
You would agree that Facebook and Jersey Shore are more hateful than Mexican immigrants, right? Well let me assure you that if it’s right, than Russians (not all, but let me assure you most) are more hateful than Ukrainians, Jews, NATO member countries etc.
You have to experience this hate with your own senses so if you don’t, you are allowed to disagree.
You are clearly not Russian and do not know anything about Russians. How did the moderator pass such a freaky post?
Posts are screened for any abusive language, obscene language, attacks on staff at Vineyard also other commentators. If they only express another point of view, even if it’s one we personally disagree with it still gets passed. My advice to this sort of post is to ignore it. Mod-on-duty.
Slava! ye mods on duty! you are certainly perspicacious!
Anonymous, first of all I am sorry if my comment was disrespectful and I hope you accept my apology.
Second, if we assume for the sake of the argument that Russia is not a hate fest and that Russians don’t disrespect each other just for fun, and, at the same time, that Ukraine (with or without the “the”, I don’t think it’s the point) is either independent from EU (i. e. Germany) and America, than what could Russia do in order to stop Ukrainians from hating Russians? I see three options:
1 Sort of re-educate them, like Putin will do anyway (judging by his interviews and remarks about Ukrainians), meaning that since they are Russians, they need to learn to stop decieving themselves.
2 Destroy their motivations to hate Russians, like Germans did with the Poles, meaning they apologized so many times to them, and paid so much money in reparations to them, that, despite sharing a border with them, and despite being submitted to mass executions by them in the past, they are now on good terms with Germany, believe it or not.
3 Destroy their opportunities to hate Russians, meaning deport, imprison and execute so many of them that they will not be so irritating anymore. The only problem I have with it is it’s expensive, so while purging one’s enemies one needs to choose the cheapest and quickest ways to do it.
If someone has the motivation and the opportunity to hate someone, he will hate again and again. Obviously there is also foreign influence (UN, EU, NATO etc), but in my opinion they only fuel the problem and don’t create it. What I would advise Russia to do is really implement the options 2 or 3 above.
I think option 1 will happen. We’ll see!
Russia chose another option and still keeps to it – for more than 25 years now.
4) Stay friendly and do not impose ones’ own view, unless forced to do so because of unfriendly behavior or violent attacks. If friendly relationships are no longer wished, shrug shoulders and let the more-than-friendly contracts run out.
Let’s see how long Ukraine will be able to dig into the deep pockets of Western Europe for getting their natural gas, industrial goods, etc. pp. for cheap. The Ukrainian regime knows this full well, but won’t stop stealing Russian gas for pennies because they don’t want to pay a dime.
It will be most funny because the coup was organized – among other reasons – to loot the rich natural resources of Ukraine by Western coup organizers and financiers. If the expected riches of tight gas and oil are as real as the enormous amounts of coal, let them frack to pieces their own Ukrainian soil to meet their needs. Ukraine should be able to do without any import of gas and coal. It would only be necessary to stop warring and cheating each other to get things done.
Same applies for agriculture – there is more than enough fertile soil in Ukraine to feed all people. It is just a matter of focus: food or war?
For all these reasons, I bet option (4) is the chosen one.
Why hate anyone, except those who are actual evil? Why not just disagree, shake your head over their dunce like opinions and go on? We could have gotten on with the entire post USSR period if we, the West, had just let the Russians and their ilk alone to persue their dreams. Then we could have been friends building a better world for all of us. but no, we had to make some peoples our ‘enemies’. So sad.
but then I’m an optomist. If I spoke Russian, I would probably be in Russia by now. Seems a more civilized place than the USA at this point.
that’s exactly my point, we shouldn’t hate except maybe the worst of people.
if you want to move to Russia for personal reasons (making friends) rather than for professional reasons (making money) than not knowing Russian wouldn’t be a problem because you can learn it after moving.
I would advise you to have income in the Anglosphere or on the Internet, not in Russia, that way you wouldn’t have to know Russian in order to work, and, by having conversations with Russian friends and aqcuaintances (you should probably find at least one on the Internet, before moving) I think you would speak fluent Russian in a reasonably short time.
The biggest problem is having enough money and proper documents to get into Russia, all the rest is easy to solve since you don’t think Russians are evil, and they can have frequent and informal conversations (in both languages) with you.
Talk about opposite problems, I would give anything to permanently move out of Russia, but oh well
I totally agree. When I look to determine who the good guys are the first factor I consider is,”Who has blood on their hands?”. Defensive blood is one thing. Russia seems to be the current defender of the free world.
I had a great time reading that George Kennan interview with the NY Times. It takes me back to an era when Tom Friedman columns could actually be taken seriously … it was a long time ago.
Bravo,a most well researched and excellent article on the situation. I especially appreciated the author’s talk about Putin and Russia’s always honoring deals they make. Today in the West the constant propaganda assault on our intelligence is that Putin is a “trickster”.Never keeping his word,totally untrustworthy. And yet only a few years ago the US praised Putin for always being honest and keeping his word.When asked which country’s leaders did he find it easier to negotiate with ,GW Bush said “Russia”.Because once he had make a deal with Putin he knew Putin would stick to it. That he never broke his word.Something sadly lacking among US “leaders”.
I”‘ll only point out something about the lunacy of the Ukrainian nationalists. They are West Russians,just as there are North and South Germans based on dialect.There are West and East Russians based on dialects.. They are attempting to build an ethnicity that just doesn’t exist. Based on a language ,that is purely a regional dialect of one common language.If they wanted a tiny state of their own,they should have made it in Galicia.The least “Rus” area of “Ukraine” (neaning borderland). But instead they want all the West Russian lands. And want to impose their Galician dialect on all the other West Russians.The West has made a pact with the devil (too bad Germans have forgotten the story of “Faust”.And their own history),and must pay the price for it in the end.
I wasn’t sure this article could not hold my attention, but I was wrong. This deception with Ukraine has been going on for way too long. VVP has done an unbelievable job transforming Russian against all adversity. With integrity. I only worry, who can continue after him? Putin is the only smart decision Yeltsin ever made. A Canadian in Russia.
George, why is there no mention of the Ukrainian oligarchs, and their influence, in particular kolomoisky (and the others of his ilk) also no mention of soros?
Why no mention of the original wolfowitz doctrine, and PNAC?
Why no mention of the Poland co-sponsored – and EU approved – Eastern Partnership?
Why so little mention of the jew nuland, married to the other jew kagan, the co-founder of PNAC? And nuland stating (at least) $5 billion was spent on Ukraine?
And the USG’s 25 year plan for Eastern Europe, after the fall of the Soviet Union?
And that the USG has often been untrustworthy, even at least to just post WW2, when the British Government gave Whittle’s jet engine secrets to the US in exchange for something (I forget what) which the USG failed to deliver, according to Whittle?
The length would make it unreadable. Covering that kind of ground could be done in under 1000 pages. I’m up to over 70 in this article series. Who would read it in one sitting?
No worries, we’ll all get there.
“Some Freak” thinks Russia isn’t united. Go ahead, try to attack it.
The current Ukrainian regime and media were invented by the zionazis to continue their war on Russia. That is their main purpose. It’s not necessary the orcs practice any basic logic or run a viable country, they are 100% cannon fodder (expendable) for zionazi geopolitical goals. What the ukrainian gofers need to continue as a base for zionazi aggression against Russia, the western colonies of israel will obediently provide (as the pathetic sods have been doing).
The kennen/freidman piece was from 1998, and the Russia they were talking about was yeltsin’s zionazi/western fascist controlled colony currently being exploited (and therefore on the “right side”). This was a very different country from Russia now. One that could be relied (mostly) upon to don kneepads.
The zionazi tool, freidman has not changed, Russia changed, went indy, so his propaganda reflects that of the house organ he is and matches all the rest of the zio-gay toss one sees now. Fact is, freidman has always been part of this filth and his propaganda always promotes it.
As for kennen, essentially a male, earlier, more diplomatic version of albright. Since he’s dead now, no one can can say what he might think of the zionazi war against Russia, but I doubt he would have any sympathies towards Russia, since it was quite clear his alegence was to american capitalist hegenomy.
Rhetoric. Lots of rhetoric. The USSR lost the propaganda war. Soviet citizens were proud to wear or own something imported (“importnieh”). The west just cashed in. Rest is rhetoric.
When you control the media,and entertainment World,you set the “styles” and “trends”. And products of your design are seen as,cool,modern,boss,hip,the “in” thing. And since the young “always” want to be “cool,and hip”,you gain prestige from that. They learned about that massive weapon long ago in the West.They even got Native Americans to sell them Manhattan for some “cool looking Western beads”.The Chinese and, Russians (not as well,) are learning about that trick. And the need to reverse it. Its easier for the Chinese, since so many of those “new hip” products are manufactured there. Even if by Western corporations,who get the praise for the product.But to defeat the West,Russia and China,must take that weapon away from the West. And its a slow process,especially when you don’t really work on it.
The Babi Yar horror story is as credible as the 50,000 Jews killed at Odessa by the Romanian troops in October 1941 (Wikipedia figures are a progress in respect to the first figure of 80,000 circulated in 1945 – the documented reality, by Yad Vashem, was… 8000). The Babi Yar story claims 30,000 victims, but Yad Vashem was able to ‘identify’ only… 3000! These stories were fabricated by the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC, Russian: Еврейский антифашистский комитет Yevreysky antifashistsky komitet, ЕАК) designed to influence international public opinion and organize political and material support for the Soviet fight against Nazi Germany, particularly from the West (the international Anti-fascist Movements and Americans). The ‘evidences’ for Baby Yar are the novel of Ilya Ehrenburg ‘The Storm’ from 1947, all but forgotten during the ‘Russian ultranationalism’ of Stalin era and ‘rediscovered’ by the poem of Yevgeni Yevtushenko “Baby Yar’ of 1961 and another ‘documentary novel’ Baby Yar, by Anatoli Kuznetsov of 1966.
Anyhow, both Stepan Bandera and Jaroslav Stetsko have been detained by the Germans in July 1941 and transferred to Berlin. On 15 September 1941 Bandera and leading OUN members were arrested by the Gestapo and later interned in the concentration camp of Sachsenhausen until September 1944. Babi Yar happened on 29-30 September. Had they been involved in ‘massacres of the Jews’ they would not have been overlooked for Nurnberg. Instead, OUN was recruited by the MI6 and CIA to carry on a partisan struggle against USSR.
The continuous peddling of this kind of untruths seriously affects the rest of the analysis.
Oh good. So you argue that Ukrainian nationalist academics that recorded what happened throughout the late 80s and 90s is wrong? This would mean that you agree with the statement that Ukrainian nationalism must be destroyed because at the very least it left its thought leaders retarded.
I added the Babi Yar incident with someone like you in mind. I knew you’d be along at some point. The figure of 30,000 is actually understatement. The real figure is higher. Here’s a simple link not associated with anti-fascists for you. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/babi-yar-massacre-begins
Truthfully, the only people that pull out Soviet evidence on the subject especially when there is so much local and so many clear and authoritative western sources that are easily understood are Ukrainian nationalists trying to stir up the red scare days. Hmm, kind of like what you are doing. They also try to soften the Bandera and Stetsko image. I wonder???
Secondly, and reasonably you argue that Bandera was in his luxury prison cell already. I’m writing about this in the next article installment, but who did that leave in charge? Next time be more careful about where you step. When Bandera got out of prison he had to be brought up to speed about what was done in his name. They should be responsible for Babi Yar too, shouldn’t they?
Third, all the Axis groups other than the Germans got a pass from Nuremburg when they were labeled anti-communists with the caveat that they would do no harm to their host countries. Again, careful where you step. It is also the subject of the next article. The amount of harm to just the US is over 100,000 American lives. They should be responsible for this as well if it is provable, yes?
How would you explain the term ‘ zhidobandera’ sported by Kolomoyskyi on a T-shirt?
I found this [email protected]://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/trading-barbs-putin:
“the pragmatic Kolomoisky is telling both communities to cool it, take a deep breath, transcend their complex past, and work out a solution that addresses current concerns”.
The reason: “Ideologically and behaviorally, the OUN closely resembled the Algerian National Liberation Front, the Palestine Liberation Organization, and the Jewish Irgun or “Stern Gang,” while Bandera was the Ukrainian version of Ahmed Ben Bella, Yasir Arafat, Menachem Begin, or Avraham Stern. Note as well that the image on the T-shirt represents a fusion of the Ukrainian national symbol, the trident, and a menorah”. After the Menorah Center in Dnepropetrovsk, the creation of Kolomoyskyi?
4th- and I can’t let this one go; your attempt to minimize Babi Yar and put an exclamation point on a 3000 casualty count…- The Babi Yar story claims 30,000 victims, but Yad Vashem was able to ‘identify’ only… 3000!
…is an eye popper! What the hell are you thinking? Your figure is off by at least 31000, but seriously, these were living people.
Kudos to Eliason for this excellent piece/series and to The Saker for publishing it here. The powerful influence of elements of the Ukrainian diaspora must include Canada. The recent visit to Ukraine of Justin Trudeau which included key diaspora figures such as Paul Grod of the UCC/World Ukrainian Congress only confirms this. The following article from 2015 may be useful
Unanimous Support For War By Parties in Canadian Parliament
Further to alarming UCC Ukro-Nazi lobby Influence in Canada, this Aug 16th ‘briefing note’ to Canadian MPS
“Russia’s aggression against Ukraine has direct security implications for Canada. The long northern border between Canada and Russia makes Russia a potential threat to Canada’s security. By continuing to support Ukraine’s right to defend its territorial integrity and independence, a clear message is sent to the Kremlin that changing borders by force is unacceptable in the 21st century, and discourages Russia from becoming emboldened to threaten Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic.”
”a clear message is sent to the Kremlin that changing borders by force is unacceptable in the 21st century”
you mean like serbian kosovo?
By beefing up a massive troop presence in Russia’s arctic region. I think a clear message is being sent to Canada,though they may not be smart enough to understand it.
This is certainly a disturbing piece, released by the Ukrainian Congress, which is a special interest group.
Why is the entire Canadian political class so responsive to this group?? The Ukrainian Congress likely voted Conservative in the last election, so the ruling Liberals do not have them as part of their voter base. Problem solved, right?
It’s this other special interest group/s, the extractive industries (mining, oil &gas, etc) who appear to be the real Canadian power behind Canada’s participation in coups (Honduras in 2009 as well as Ukraine). No ‘exceptionalists’ or ideologues in this group, I don’t think, just good old dog-eat-dog, ruthless capitalists.
Some good info in this article
How do we Canucks solve this problem????
The Ukrainians control 1/3 of your government structure. They comprise a large percentage of the voting and donating population. You are in worse shape on a per capita basis than America.
I respect your scholarship and research, but please do not drag my country into some “just lynch the Ukies” line of thinking.
All Canada needed to fill its metaphorical, spiritual toilet bowl to overflow, was another band of atavistic, knuckle-draggers importing their second-hand, and psychotic foreign quarrels into Canadian politics and Canadian civil society.
Deporting the Ukies to their promised land is a much better idea than lynching.
You Ukies have your freedom. Again! You had it when the USSR dissolved the first time.
Why are you still blocking my light?
A couple more zionazi ngos get banned by those ‘orrible repressive Russians.
John McCain NGO banned as ‘undesirable group’ in Russia
“After studying the received files [describing the activities of the International Republican Institute], the Prosecutor General’s Office has made the decision to recognize it as an undesirable group on the territory of the Russian Federation,” reads an official statement from prosecutors, released on Thursday.
Another US organization, the Media Development Investment Fund, was also recognized as undesirable.
Prosecutors added that they had established that the work of the two groups posed a threat to the foundations of Russia’s constitutional order and state security, but gave no further details.”
This stinks all the way to High Heaven — it infuriates me to no end.
In unison, everybody: BOOOOO for Russia!!!
I was absolutely convinced that either Hillary Clinton or NATO were to become this year’s Nobel peace prize laureates but, in view of the above, surely any true martyrs of the heroic struggle against Russian totalitarianism should be next in line for everything, right?
Note to Nobel people: Give Hil the medal but don’t send any money. give it to the Palestinians instead. They need it more than she does.
This may be a relatively minor technical point, but the article claiming that the Ukrainian national symbol, the trident, symbolized the 3-pronged pitchfork merely shows either ignorance or just a “ukrainophobia” in its own right.—Do some research. The shape and design of the Ukrainian trident is derived from the imperial symbol of Kyivan Rus during the reign of Great King and Kahan Volodymyr Sviatoslavych, Christianizer of Rus, and other kings and princes of that period used tridents of similar design.—So no, the Ukrainian trident is NOT the devil’s pitchfork.—Just wondering, when will Russia finally get rid of the occultistic-satanistic red pentagram symbol?
It would actually be great if the trident of Great King Volodymyr came to be atop some of the Moscow Kremlin towers and spires instead of where the pentagram is today.—And by the way, the name “hryvna” or “hryvnia” of the modern Ukrainian currency is derived from the monetary unit used during Kyivan Rus,—“hryvnia” does NOT come from “hryva” meaning “horse’s mane”. Maybe Russia should scrap the ruble and rename its currency “hryvna” so there can be a Russian hryvna as well as Ukrainian hryvna, just like there is Canadian dollar and US dollar.
—Other things about the article, well, you know, maybe the bottom line is that Ukrainian nationalism shows extreme forms because the hostility toward Ukrainians is also very extreme. It seems that only the Kurds and the Jews [including those in Israel] come to mind as other nations whose very right to exist at all has been under extreme opposition, much the way that the Ukrainians’ very right to exist at all has been under extreme opposition.
What planet are you from? “It seems that only the Kurds and the Jews [including those in Israel] come to mind as other nations whose very right to exist at all has been under extreme opposition, much the way that the Ukrainians’ very right to exist at all has been under extreme opposition.”
Jews would have had an easier time if the Ukrainian nationalists hadn’t killed 250,000 of them. The Ukrainians right to exist has never been under “extreme opposition” as you put it. They just seem to do that to everyone else.
The trident was developed around 1860 and it is a pitchfork, not the devils pitchfork. You know, shovel manure with a pitchfork-pitchfork. That’s why the Radical party in Ukraine carries pitchforks. Of course you know that, but don’t be too ashamed of the hillbillies. Or come out of the closet and go down to the feed store and buy your own manure fork.
As far as the material its mostly from Ukrainian nationalist academics. You’re saying they are challenging your right to exist? Bravo.
Ignorance is amazing… Here below is an article in Wikipedia about the derivation of the modern Ukrainian trident—though of course you might think that “Bandera” himself wrote it!??—Too bad, the images of a sample old coin from the 900’s according to the source cannot be posted here.
Extreme opposition to the right for Ukrainians to exist at all is well documented and is not a unique phenomenon in history, unfortunately. Many contributors to this blog tend to go foaming at the mouth, hair on fire, about how the Ukrainian nationality is not “real”, all of it artificial, manufactured, etc.—like I read someplace that the Turks used to call the Kurds “mountain Turks” and at one point refused to recognize the very existence of the Kurds.—Many keep saying that Ukraine cannot be a real country or have a real identity because it is made up of “many ethnic communities” but such a situation also is not necessarily fatal to a country existing and thriving. Think of Switzerland, where they speak four different languages and a “Swiss language” does not per se exist, or Belgium, where roughly half the population speaks French and the other half speaks Dutch, and at one point there was almost a civil war in Belgium, true, but things evidently got patched up, and there is no “Belgian language” at all.—Or less successful but still valid would be a country like Afghanistan which consists of several ethnic groups and where several languages are spoken, and I think there is no “Afghan language” per se either,—but somehow an Afghan identity still exists, due to shared history, etc. I have always said, if Russia has truly gotten rid of its crazy bloodthirsty heritage of government in the Ivan the Terrible style, then truly the war in the Donbass, the Novorussian project, the Crimean annexation are the dumbest conflicts and wars of the 21st century thus far.—Everything that the Russians say the West wants to do to them, they want to do to Ukraine. If the world seems to fear a strong independent Russia most of all, Russia fears a strong independent Ukraine most of all,—and here I mean truly independent, nonaligned, neutral, “Switzerland of the East” style Ukraine.
Wikipedia article as of 8/21/2016:
Are you.Anon, perhaps pumping for a tribalization of eastern Europe. I think that might be where things were once upon a time, and maybe where things are headed now, like in the Balkans and the ME.
Unfortunately tribes don’t have major weapons, only ‘nations’ as they stand. I would love myself that the current USA broke up onto at least 5 or 6 different nations. I would then be a ‘Cascadian’ and proud.
Not proud to be a murrican now with two clowns running for prez. ugh
If Russia wanted to do anything to Ukraine, it could do it.
It wants no part of the Ukraine society.
It wanted a neutral Switzerland there. No problems. The loons of Bandera, over in Galicia, the area of Novorossiya borderless (as it practically was until the ATO) and of course, Crimea as the people wanted in 1991 and a few years later and then finally in 2014, 95% voted to leave Ukraine and go back to Mother. No one but crazed loons thinks it should be otherwise.
None of that is Russia aggression. Russia has the right to protect itself from a proxy next door, a crazed nazi society next door.
And most likely, if the ATO moves against Donbass Ukraine will have huge swaths sawn off from its map. Not by Russia. By Ukrainians of Russian heritage who defeat them and make Novorossiya a reality.
Kiev is a house of horrors that needs to be exterminated of psychopaths running the show for the US. They have lost all right to sovereignty. And will most likely lose it shortly. Just as any sociopath or psychopath loses his autonomy and right to live free as a citizen. Institutions exist to control such criminals and mentally deranged people. So far Maidan = madness.
Ukraine has become like a nest of frenzied angry hornets, because the Ukrainians were somehow persuaded that international law like the terms of the Budapest Memorandum would be ironclad protection of Ukraine’s borders and territory as it was then,—and so they disarmed to a very remarkable extent, in effect disbanded their military to the point where supposedly only 6000 soldiers were left fit for duty when Russia started its moves in Crimea in 2014. The Ukrainian oligarchs were perhaps great thieves and plotters but were not warlike.—And then they got tricked! The Budapest Memorandum turned out to be worth less than the paper it was written on.—I remember reading, however, that the Novorussian project was an ongoing preparation by somewhat private Russian nationalist forces to dismember and simply reconquer Ukraine.
The Ukrainian nationalists beat them somewhat to the punch, and sprang forward with their preemptive coup.—That is why they did not wait for regular elections.—Ukraine is now like the nest of riled up, frenzied, angry hornets,—people angry that they were tricked on many levels, including misplaced reliance on “international law”,—where every country actually spits on any “international law” if its leaders decide to act for what they imagine is their “vital interest”.
That was how Ukraine was caught in 2014, with its army of 6000, the supposed “great spear-point” against Russia. That’s no doubt why Ukrainians, starting without even any military to speak of, see no reason for the Russian actions in Crimea and the Donbass region, other than resurrection of the traditional aggressive policy of Russian lawless conquest and control.—The whole scenario of a country neglecting its military to such an extent, relying only on the international law and international memoranda, then going into frenzy on getting violated by Russia which glories in the military [sort of like Germany under the Kaiser],—that whole story is exceedingly, remarkably strange and bizarre.
Is this the kind of ‘insight’ into history graduation from Stepan Bandera High School gives you?
‘Switzerland of the East’?! Surely more like the black, Fascist heart of skinhead Europe.
As for ‘the dumbest conflict of the 21st Century,’ most would agree that the CIA/USSD-ordered and paid for year long wienie-roast and coup on the Maidan, followed by the installation of the worst Quislings since Bandera knows when, should be very high on that list.
Which of course makes the rest of your argument, in roughly equal parts, vulgar, pretentious, pathetic and absurd.
Hryvnia!? I thought the national currency of The Ukraine was the Hernia, in honor of how many it takes to buy a loaf of bread or a Poroshenko, polonium-fortified, chocky.
Salo Ukraini !
The red 5-pointed star used to enclose a hammer & sickle. However, satanists direct the star point down rather than up, so I don’t see this as their symbol. It’s just a nationalistic logo when the point is up.
Breaking:Germany preparing the people for more attacks(gladio like?)or…war with Russia.
Germany to tell people to stockpile food and water in case of attacks: FAS
For the first time since the end of the Cold War, the German government plans to tell citizens to stockpile food and water in case of an attack or catastrophe, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung newspaper reported on Sunday.
Germany is currently on high alert after two Islamist attacks and a shooting rampage by a mentally unstable teenager last month. Berlin announced measures earlier this month to spend considerably more on its police and security forces and to create a special unit to counter cyber crime and terrorism.
“The population will be obliged to hold an individual supply of food for ten days,” the newspaper quoted the government’s “Concept for Civil Defence” – which has been prepared by the Interior Ministry – as saying.
The paper said a parliamentary committee had originally commissioned the civil defense strategy in 2012.
A spokesman for the Interior Ministry said the plan would be discussed by the cabinet on Wednesday and presented by the minister that afternoon. He declined to give any details on the content.
Has the German government got wind of real threats on its soil? Is he afraid of the attacks “Islamists” or a war with Russia?
Is it a psychosis knowingly maintained in the population, in order to justify the gradual installation of a widespread surveillance society and the continual erosion of civil liberties?
Probably a little of it at once.
It should be noted in any case in Germany as in France, the government focuses its reflection on how best to respond to the threat of attacks.
It does not seem to be concerned about what are the root causes of these waves of attacks or the crisis with Russia. Because that would imply a drastic revision of diplomatic and military choices imposed by Washington.
Pictured article of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung newspaper entitled: “How the German government wants to respond in case of war.”
The photo shows a fallout shelter in Bavaria.
I saw it also on ARD, very interesting, at least. We shall hear again that ” the beast is coming from the east ” ? Poor Germany, poor Europe, what they want again ? Nope !
“Is it a psychosis knowingly maintained in the population, in order to justify the gradual installation of a widespread surveillance society and the continual erosion of civil liberties?”
Gladio Strategy of Tension?
What this in depth look at European-Ukrainian-Anglo American relations points to is a Europe as a hot bed of political ideologies that all seem fervently nationalistic as the liberal politics of western Europe no longer stand for anything substantial enough to engender the people’s support. That Russia under Putin has selected law and better, morality as her pathway, makes sense of the phrase ‘Russia and Putin, leaders of the free world’, and enemy of the various degrees and grades of fascism that has always existed in the west as it exited the feudal system and began world domination through colonialism. This was done with largely the same style of hierarchy in place no matter the new names that accede to the upper echelons of command over the political economy.. While Russia may be ascending in the realm of the humanities after a long dark history, the west is devolving to its true constituent nature.
“Is Russia really the greatest threat to the world? The answer lies somewhere between how you define a threat and what you’re actually afraid of.”
If by “world” you mean America’s global dictatorship/empire, then Russia is a clear and present threat.
And if by “threat” you mean resistance to America’s ambitions to subjugate the entire planet, then Russia is also a great threat.
In general, whenever the American Axis nations vilify a nation or government as a threat, it is because they represent opposition to the American-led world order that is responsible for destroying, looting, and destabilizing much of the planet.
in short, being castigated by the American Axis nations as a threat is usually a sign that you are doing something RIGHT.
Unfortunately, threat perception is defined and dominated by the American Empire and its allied stooges, which uncritically upholds the American Axis as the “good” and opposition to this axis as “evil.”
It is thus high time that the preeminent threat to peace, stability, or even the fate of the earth, be called out without mercy: the United States of America and its crime partners.
Awesome, invaluable and splendidly written.
Packed with the facts of history.
Clean, clear, and powerful.
Thanks to GH Eliason and Saker for this devastating piece. Shatters the myths and white noise.
And I appreciate Eliason’s comments. Very edifying.
Thanks for your efforts, George. Really great work, and I look forward to the next part. There is not one credible reporter here in the US when it comes to Ukraine and Russia. Just stenographer-propagandists.
Is Germany going to be tricked into dying and failing against Russia one more time?
The short answer is “yes”.No matter what we’d like to believe. If NATO attacks Russia. Almost all, if not all ,the NATO countries will join that attack. Its a “dream World” to think differently. The people don’t have to agree,they just have to obey. It has been that way throughout history. And its no different today.The only hope would be popular uprising against them. But as we see,there isn’t anyone willing to put their lives on the line to rise up. They’ll hope they don’t get killed in the war. And if they are defeated ,then beg for mercy,and blame their “evil leaders” for getting them involved.In a nuclear war,there might be few survivors. But they will take their chance on a possible death like that. Rather than risk being killed in an uprising. Nobody West of Donbass seems to have the “resistance gene” left in them.
Ukraine problem is not Russia. It is geography.
A superb article. I feel like I have attended a very high quality seminar on the topic and my wallet is as plump as when I went in.
From a Russian/Ukrainian/American
Excellent food for thought!
“From 1986- 2003 the leader of the OUNb was Slava Stetsko. Stetsko gained the mantle from her husband who died in 1986, Yaroslav Stetsko. He was the right hand to Stepan Bandera. Stetsko is the only Axis WWII leader who can claim eventual victory over the Allies even though this trio were responsible for the first Holocaust of WWII. It was the mass execution of over 30,000 Jews at Babi Yar. They starved 3 million war prisoners to death in Ukraine. They tortured and murdered close to ½ million Ukrainians. And they were never tried in court for these crimes.”
Why there is no mention about this in Wikipedia or elsewhere?