By Batko Milacic for the Saker Blog
“The same pilot who shot down six Russian warplanes, he was nicknamed the ‘Ghost of Kiev”. “A column of scorched Russian equipment near Konotop”. “Snake Island recaptured”. Such messages have quickly gone viral on Russian-language telegram channels, which are a major source of information for the world media. The impression is that Russia has already lost the war and its last reserve are Kadyrov’s 10,000 guards, an army of absolute evil, who lined up outside the Chechen leader’s gloomy palace, preparing to be sent to Ukraine. Well, it also looks like Russia has lost the war, the war of fake news.
The first time Ukrainian telegram channels were caught in a lie was on the morning of February 24, just a few hours after the war broke out, when they started spreading photographs of the first Russian tanks knocked out by the Ukrainian military. It soon transpired, however, that the snapshots had been taken in Syria and were several years old, yet the unverified information about Russian losses had already been picked up by the media. The fact is that the Russians had unwittingly played into the hands of the Ukrainian PR people. The Russians advance in mobile, self-directed columns. Therefore, if a vehicle breaks down (the cruising range of a tank or infantry fighting vehicle is several times shorter than that of a civilian jeep), they simply abandon it, because they have to move fast. Before long, the photos of the abandoned tank or APC appear on Ukrainian messenger services and in social networks as a “destroyed tank of the invaders.”
The authors of such posts seem totally unperturbed by the presence in the photo of local people, busily draining fuel that miraculously survived in the tank of the blown up armored vehicle! This, however, pales in comparison with the footage where “the same pilot” is shooting down a Russian Sukhoi fighter jet over Kiev. This time, serious publications checked the video only to find out that the whole thing was not even a montage, but a recording taken from a computer flight stimulator.
Meanwhile, the Russians keep mum since the combat zone on their side is off limits to journalists. The Defense Ministry spokesperson, General Igor Konashenkov, gives short briefings every few hours. However, he does not show prisoners and photos of the scorched Zmeiny Island, nor does he invite journalists to log on to a closed telegram channel, where photos of destroyed Ukrainian hardware are constantly posted. Sadly enough, such a resource simply does not exist. The world even learned about the destruction of the Ukrainian air defense system from the Ukrainian media, which somberly showed burned launchers and radar antennas. As for the Russians, they had apparently been too shy to showcase their success.
As a result, the world believes that Russia is losing the war. And this despite the fact that a mere 12 hours after the invasion, fresh water started flowing again to Crimea through a canal blocked in 2014, and the fighting was already underway in Kiev itself. Moreover, if, according to the Ukrainian media, thousands of Russian soldiers have already been killed, then who is now storming Mariupol and encircling Kharkov? What is the reason for such a public relations failure? The reason is mentality! Concerned about secrecy and distrustful of the media, the Russian authorities keep journalists away from the war zone, forbid their military to use cellphones and do not care much about the effectiveness of their own press center. Russian generals want to take Kiev and defeat those whom they call “Ukrainian Nazis” in Donbass. They know how to fight a modern, mobile war, but they are not intent on working with the media. As a result, all we see is just a handful of videos from the “Russian side” posted by volunteers from the unrecognized Donetsk republics. Not so the Ukrainian authorities, who have mastered the art of modern-age military propaganda and are already reaping its fruits. For example, on the evening of February 25, Ukrainian Prime Minister Shmyhal was about to place $12.5 billion worth of war bonds on the stock markets. These bonds are liquid all right, because the media is chock full of stories about a successful Ukrainian rebuff to the aggressor.
Unfortunately, what we have in this war now is, on the one hand, a stream of boastful fakes, and complete silence on the other. Well, the Russian proverb says that “silence is golden,” and the next few days will show if it is really so!
Successful lies can give Ukrainian troops hope and confidence when they really should have none.
In that respect, Russia should maintain a PR campaign targeted to Ukrainian troops and civilians based on facts, truth and intent.
The rest of the world, that PR campaign does not matter. The truth will be shown for all the world to see in the end.
Target what matters, the rest is noise and knashing of teeth.
The NATO soldiers in the Donbas are now in a cauldron
There should not be any NATO soldiers in Donbass. Where are you getting your information?
Despite being far from these matters from a while, I still have kept some contacts in the service of death, and I can tell you, Nato operatives are allover Ukraine, in small units, Russians know well this fact. I would say, any decent counter attack being carried out by the Ukries has been speared headed by a foreign unit. This is a defacto a prelude of WWIII or WWIV if you see it like me. Anyway, this conflict is a sample training welcome by the Pentagon, on their long term project of destroying Russia, this sort of undercover boots on the ground training has been done in some extent in Syria with some success, but now being extended in Ukraine. It was planned this way, all the pieces were put in place some time ago, the Russians knew but had no way to avoid it, ultimately militarily speaking, the Ukraine situation was long due, perhaps that was the blunder, they should have dealt with it years ago, today will be very costly.
What’s being waged in Ukraine is not a full-scale war involving entire armies, rather surgical strikes aimed at crucial enemy positions, long-range weapons, logistics, etc.
It’d be wrong to think that NATO would have to face the Russians in a similar manner. Small teams don’t decide the outcome of a war. The best they can do is to observe. However, in this context, that too isn’t enough because the Russians are not fully flexing their muscles.
Instructors are NATO members.
Article about it.
More likely to be foreign mercenaries
Sean Penn’s pros in action:
Hope and confidence does not win wars.
Russia does not care what the world thinks it is doing. They care about reality.
Journalists live in “the narrative.” Russia lives in the real world.
How can I establish a short position on the $12.5 billion worth of Ukrainian war bonds ?
Don’t know. Doubt this is the place for investment advice, or Saker wouldn’t be a poor garret-living poet.
But if you find out, remember your friends here….
Get a job with Goldman.
You are absolutely right about that! It is US with Ukraine helping with this propaganda. Russia is just going to work. And it is News Front, ANNA news, Rusvesna that are supplying feeds with mixed results. One showed a video with English subtext Russian Su-25 gets hit while attacking. In Russian it said that Ukrainian Su 25 kicks some butt despite taking a hit. Information war, it seems like they aren’t paying attention to it. You are right. Just the briefings.
I really thought the world would change when the Berlin Wall fell. The USA neocons would have none of that. No peace dividend. Wars, civilians and children murdered. Profit, profit, profit! And even before this they had already turned to eat us citizens of the West. Oh, they call us consumers. Fucking evil vampires all of them. Give them hell Russia. I’ve been heartbroken for to long.
Sand castles do not last long on the beach and leave no trace of their existence a day after they amazed all who saw them.
The dumbshit USA and it’s even more stupid allies have just partially cut off Russia from SWIFT. This will precipitate the global adoption of other currencies than the dollar and the already ready-to-operate Russian and Chinese transfer systems plus the Cryptoyuan. Get the fuck out of US Dollars while you can. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-announces-new-russia-sanctions-with-us-others-including-swift-2022-02-26/
I really hope the Chinese and Russian payments system can be put into immediate operation. Before I leave this earth I would really like to see western politicians sanctioned by China and Russia. Imagine the panic when western politicians cannot receive their bribes.
Nothing is preventing good people in the west from creating their own sanctions against their evil masters. Money is power. Jews make up only 2% of the american population, but control 98% of the government. One man one vote is BS. Why aren’t corporations who sponsor the lying media being boycotted. Do I have to give a “BraveHeart” speech about lying on your deathbed and knowing that you fought for justice or are you just satisfied that you consumed more than your fair share of everything. It has long been known that if voting could change anything it would be made illegal. Boycotts can change everything which is why the politicians are trying to make it illegal. Boycott, Boycott, Boycott!
Is it possible, Nikov, that boycotts are a feint? Or they have more power on public perception rather than economics? Remember: “Corporations who sponsor the lying media” can be deemed “too big to fail.” So even if boycotts get big and serious enough, what stops bailouts, zero or negative interest loans, mergers with other corporations, and similar schemes from saving the corporations economically…?
That’s been going on ever since Reagan and Greenspan, when Greenspan stated we will not permit the markets to fail and Queenie knighted him for it, so what’s the difference? Who do you think bailed out the market the other day with the Dow down some 800 points and headed south and then by divine assistance rose again.
Boycotts are a major weapon in the ziononazi arsenal used against the rest of us. They know how effective boycotts can be. That’s why they are pressuring their political prostitutes to make them illegal. Printing more dollars will only make the overall economic situation worse. That in turn might finally push the general population to rise up. What’s the alternative? Just sit back and let this cancer grow even larger? To paraphrase Lincoln, a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations should perish from this earth. A government that destroys so many lives in so many ways should perish from this earth. We got where we are today because so few people gave a damn. Can we at least give it a try?
To directly quote Lincoln, “Labor is the superior of capital.” Productive work matters more than money. For example, Nikov, I just saw reports of the EU trying to ban RT and Sputnik; who knows when other countries and other media outlets (like Saker…) will go through the same thing.
Would boycotts against mainstream media corporations and their supporters help in this situation? Especially as our alternatives disappear? Or would withholding our labor from plutocratic misuse, labor like our goods and services around violence and the military-industrial complex, make a more significant impact?
I would welcome any resistance to what is surely the greatest evil of our time. In Lincoln’s time labor unrest was increasing. He may or may not have been a supporter of labor. One historian inferred that his murder was not just revenge for the “war between the states”. He thought that wall street was involved, which would mean he was a threat to capital. Labor got a break when Russia went communist. Capital was so afraid of a similar revolt here, they gave the worker socialism “light”. With “the threat” from socialism now gone, capital is more powerful than ever.
I’m sorry to say that sites like this are going to be blocked regardless of whether main stream media is knocked out. I’ll see your Lincoln and raise you a Twain. Mark Twain said that people who don’t read newspapers are uninformed, while those who do read newspapers are misinformed. If sites like this are blocked, do you really want main stream media to survive? Maybe you and I can see through their lies, but so many people don’t.
How do you propose to fight the MIC? Main steam media including hollywood is a cheer leader for militarism. Boycotting is the least we can do. What could be easier than not buying their products? You would also save money which can be donated to sites like this.
Wait, Nikov: Did labor get “a break when Russia went communist”? Tsar Alexander II was Lincoln’s ally during the American Civil War, and Alexander officially ended serfdom in Russia. He was assassinated a few years after Lincoln was, his son died under mysterious circumstances, and his grandson was assassinated by the Bolsheviks. Could Wall Street be involved there, too?
Capital was just fine with shipping the Bolshevik-brand Communists billions of dollars worth of American military aid via the Lend-Lease Act; plutocratic materialists and Marxist-Leninist atheists are ideologically closer to each other than they are to Orthodox Christians. But by then, was the USA still under pro-labor leaders like Lincoln? Or under pro-capital leaders like the Federal Reserve banker gangsters?
For the most part, I agree that “boycotting is the least we can do.” However, in the grand scheme of things, is that anywhere near good enough? You asked if I “really want main stream media to survive:” My answer is, no, not how it is currently formatted. Although, are boycotts, on their own, truly a threat to main stream media? Printing more money is only a problem when there is insufficient productivity to back up that money. Can’t we boycott the media while still giving the MIC our labor? Still working our jobs like normal, still allowing ourselves or our children to serve militarism… uh, I mean, “freedom and democracy”…?
The media is the glue that ties everything together. Parents don’t control their children’s perspective. The media does. The media glorifies american wars and influences young minds to join the killing, maiming and pillaging machine. Does boycotting the media work? Not here. I’ve been boycotting main stream media for decades to no avail. It doesn’t work because not enough people do it. Because too many people choose to surrender before they even put up any resistance at all. I never said that Lincoln was pro-labor. Judging by what you said I said he could have been. I’m not a Lincoln expert. In any case it wasn’t long after Lincoln’s death that a robber baron named Jay Gould could boast that he can hire half the working class to kill the other half. Has anything changed since then? It is corporate media that separates one worker from another. Regardless of what communism was in Russia, the perception among western workers was positive. That was terrifying to corporate wallets. So terrifying that they were organizing an armed rebellion to Roosevelt’s socialism-light. Communism in Russia meant that workers here were finally able to secure better working conditions and a pension. The fascist government we have is intent on wiping out any socialist traces anywhere in the world.
“Meanwhile, the Russians keep mum since the combat zone on their side is off limits to journalists”
I would politely say “Not necessarily true” to the above. There are many cases of CNN, Sky News, and even the BBC reporting live just feet from Russian troops.
There is a now infamous clip circulating of a CNN crew reporting live whilst Rusian troops were still securing the Hostomel airport, with CNN and the Russian forces actually waving at each other.
Just today I watched a Sky News crew report live from the Russia / Ukraine border near Karkiv, perhaps no more than 50 yards from Russian tanks and trucks heading accross the border into Ukraine.
The Russian Government also regularly post updates on the popular news channels, sometimes going as far as giving up some operational info (for example the now widely reported US drone involvement with the Snake Island response from Ukraine).
Although not posted by Russians, the videos posted on Twitter are a gold mine of information, and some of the videos have revealed truths from all sides in this (Russia, Ukraine, and the West) and helped fill in some gaps and cut through some of the fog (from all sides).
Yes of course there are lies, psyops, and disinfo being created (by all sides) but by remaining critical and analytical whilst looking at images and words, news from all sides can really help form a wider picture of actual events.
We can also deduce things too, such as somethng big developing around Transnistria and Odessa by the defeaning silence from all sides in this area.
Cliches like “pictures don’t lie” and one is “worth 1000 words” are laughable, since they’re easy to photoshop, and the public (especially functionally illiterate USians) can’t tell one pile of rubble from another. Actually they’re much cheaper than words; pay a journalist for minimal text and enlarge the picture to fit the space. As a senior citizen, I detest how media have increasingly”Youtubified”
so much information. I much prefer a factual well-reasoned article I can read at my own pace and re-read if needed for clarity.
A picture is worth a thousand words… all of them wrong.
I watched a CNN report from “Kiev”. A clever prop balcony railing in front of a greenscreen. Much better than the “Gilligan’s Island ” fake Saudi set from 1991. “Fake News” from day one.
This piece from Scott Ritter should be distributed far and wide !
His view will still lead to world war 3. Defend Baltics as NATO? Romania? That’s not going to cut it. NATO are in artillery range of St. Petersburg. This isn’t mutual security. Sorry, he is smart and seems neutral. However, he is an American from cold war era of thinking. The fact everyone likes him and they think he’s neutral is because the Western leadership is so absolutely Insane and Incompetent!! So they run into resistance, they know only one thing. That is to double down. He probably is a more palatable voice for Americans. I think is one that is definitely respectable. Do you think he would expand NATO to Russia’s borders given the position?
Ritter also considers NATO a suicide pill for Europe and holds that it should have long been abolished.
Have you listened to the whole of the commentary ?
If you have , you would noticed he stated unequivocally that NATO is an offensive Organisation and should be disbanded. He also stated that Baltic would be very unwise to mistreat their Russian speaking populations.
Try and listen to what he states not what you think he said !
In the UK we have a saying: ‘the first casualty of war is truth’.
That also works the other way round: The first causality of truth is war- Libya, Syria, Iraq etc
This time, serious publications checked the video only to find out that the whole thing was not even a montage, but a recording taken from a computer flight stimulator.
The “Ghost of Kiev” heroic dog fighting fighter pilot started as a 4chan prank.
Someone took a snip of a video game, did some very ruff editing, put it up and said: “Lol. What you think of this, frens”. His “OC” (original content) was reviewed and dismissed as low quality graphics work.)
Within 30 minutes a friend sent it to him via FB. … it had already left the toxic sewer that is 4chan, and “gone viral”. 30 minutes.
His response: HOLEY FUCK Guys!!!
The 4chan challenge was then to out meme the meme.
4chan knew it had “won” when within a few hours, Adam Kinzinger retweeted it.
Dan Crenshaw was also caught. To the shock and awe of 4chan:
>What’s funny is that the fake picture is a fucking F-16, which Ukraine doesn’t even have. And that congressman is a pilot in the USAF. What a moron.
>Deleted. It was real
>He deleted it after someone pointed out it was a meme
That. Is. How. Desperate. They. Are.
there’s new video game footage they’re posting from ARMA 3 that looks particularly fake, claiming it’s Russian planes being downed. Pathetic. https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497720202653585411
The propaganda in Canada is the worst I have ever heard.
The people are sending Ukraine money all types of support
Crying over the lies of the talking heads.Of course their blaming Russia.Its appears the whole world are blind to truth
We have a large Ukrainian diaspora population (1.3 million) in Canada and they are vocal and politically active. Watching the news, they will not let the facts get in the way of a tearjerker story.
The bad news is we are about to get a lot more of them as refugees.
for me, the only thing that bothers me is how they’re using this, decadent political leaders to save their image (boris or biden himself). in an almost ridiculous way, they even seem to enjoy it.
with respect to normal people, it doesn’t matter a bit, you put Putin saving some puppies and you will see how they change the image from one day to the next.
Well, the role of snake oil peddlers from mainstream media, pharmaceutical and medical fields will diminish and cease to be of importance in the new more just New World Order. Those instigating war and genocide with incendiary articles, speeches or acts will be brought to justice regardless of the positions they hold.
So pardon me whilst I throw up every time I think of the MSM and their intended target but in the real world of Euro-Asia no-one will know who they are. Zombified EU/Aus/NZ-gulag dwellers will be absorbed even harder into the US-hosted Borg collective until they are but a husk. With time Islamic immigration and Eurorodent ™ globohome will change the face of EU-Disneyland ® with white Europeans increasingly dying out because you can not bear children through the exhaust and no amount of dogs kept by barren radical feminists will change that. On the other side of the pond – in 50-60 year most of the US will be returned to its rightful owners – South Americans.
I see it differently. The media war is lost for Russia, but the media war winners aka the Zone A (West) lost in everything that matters. All those people in the Zone A believing this media narrative of Ukrainians being suppressed by Russian invasion, are exposed as hypocrites with a no moral high line in the rest of the world. People in Zone B will not forget the crimes of the US and its allies. They also will not forge the disgusting decadence and ignoring of the suffering by Westerners. Western prop. did a blunder with their media war. They isolated themselves from the rest of the world and showed their true colors! Russia exposed them once again.
This is very good. Let them win in virtual playground. I have some nft battles for sale where ukraine nazis are winning over russians … Price? Very cheap considering who is winning there …
I hope Ukrainians are now realizing that they are being used by the West in a conflict that will destroy their once proud and beautiful country, at least at what is used to be, forever !
No amount of ‘fake news’ will ever change that.
The best would be a ‘late military coup’, removal of the ‘clown in charge’ and a military to military ‘face a face’ between brothers, which they are, and then trying to repair what the West has started before all hell breaks lose with the rest of Europe…
“As some of you may know, war has broken out between Russia and Ukraine.
I am currently in Kiev — I arrived yesterday for a two day visit on some business that I had, only to be woken up this morning by my assistant telling me that the Russians were invading. What can I say — perfect timing!
I of course want to get back to Kharkiv to be with my family, but all flights and trains have been canceled, so all the highways are clogged.
So I don’t know exactly what I will do. But I’ll figure it out.
I will be regularly posting on my telegram channel, here is the link: https://t.me/realCRP, Follow me there.”
Saker, What you see is not the real picture of the whole USA/Western population. Yes, a large number are f’ing idiots, but a lot are not. I just looked at the comments on a ZeroHedge article “White House Asks Congress for $4.6 Billion For Ukraine Crisis” The comments are overwhelmingly anti-“Biden” and company, and not anti-Russian at all. Zero-Hedge has not been cancelled because they foresaw the coming censorship over 10 years ago when they started. They run with servers in multiple countries so Big Tech/Goolag et al can’t (at least so far) shut them down.
It’s bad, but not as bad as it looks.
I am not sure if you know about this author. I believe that she does some good work. Here is her latest regarding the propaganda of the west:
My take away from this:
“The Ukrainians have been played.
Putin hasn’t started a war, the war has been going on for 8 years. Putin is attempting to end a war. A war that the western people, for the most part, have absolutely no comprehension of.”
The President of Ukraine – that’s a joke, right? was told by US State Department (Blinken proxy) he was not to hold talks for Peace with Putin? This is also a joke, right?
The President of Israel’s USA – that’ a joke.
Stupid is Stupid.
This is what the Ukies and our DOD have fed the MSM:
The Antonov airfield was won back by the Ukies and they killed 200 Russian paratroopers and shot down 7 gunship helicopters. (Total fabrication)
Then last night, the Ukies shot down 2 IL-76 transports killing all aboard. 200 more dead Russians into an airfield they told us the Ukies held. (Total fabrication)
4500 dead Russians says the deputy to Zelensky. (Total fantasy)
Finally, the civilians are shooting Russians by the hundreds and burning two dozen tanks with molotov cocktails. (Total fabrication)
The Ukies did this sort of thing in Donbass. They won every battle, lost few and killed everyone. But the battlefield was littered with their dead and burnt machines.
They are an irrational society, fed lies from the American handlers, led by nazis and psychopaths, fronted by corrupt conmen and conwomen (don’t forget Yulia T., so corrupt she was in jail and freed by the Americans to symbolize Ukie sainthood).
The Ukraine is a rabid dog. It had to be dismantled, broken to pieces, cauterized and then sent to reeducation facilities for the next 30 years.
It turned itself into a charnel house. They sell their own soldiers’ kidneys and their daughters like donuts to the world.
The perversion of all values is common in the society. It had to be confronted.
The US lost it (Ukraine), the EU lost it and NATO has lost it. Soon, history will lose it also.
God bless the Russian military. They are doing God’s work for humanity.
By far the greatest assessment written summarising this mess so many thanks @Larchmonter45!
Blessings and best wishes to the heroic anti-fascist forces as they liberate 404 from its UkroNazi masters and keep up the honest report Saker Community!
“The perversion of all values is common in the society. It had to be confronted.”
You are extremely unfair here.
When you have no other way to acquire sustenance you will do things you cannot imagine today.
It is WAY WORSE in Ukraine than even in the various dirt-poor african countries.
Being an industrial and city-centered society with very cold winters the people DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION of surviving from the scraps on the streed like they can in Africa, or even Syria. They would freeze to death.
In such a situation selling your body, or “selling” your daughter into servitude/marriage/etc. so your other children do not freeze and have what to eat for a year while she is possibly better off as well (meaning she is not dead from hunger) suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Do never diss on people for what they do in time of true need. You know nothing until you live through something like this. Instead ask what brought them to that point. They might do that to you next.
The Ukrainian people bought into a savage ideology. They feed it generation to generation like it flows with mother’s milk.
The country is built on a foolish dream and hate of all things Russian.
They have reaped the consequence of killing their own fellow citizens just because they speak Russian.
You know what language over 90% speak? Russian!
Eight years of murdering old ladies and children in Donbass.
Where are all the POWs? For 8 years not a sign of them. You know why? They torture and murder them.
Where are all the males from Krasny Liman? 150 boys and men, every citizen of that town disappeared, mass executed.
I have zero empathy for the Ukies. They have lived on venom and hate. If they are cold and hungry, Russia had an open door for them to move to and work and live a life. They could have property free to farm. Several million moved to Russia.
It’s terrible that innocents, children and disabled are suffering. But the people vote for conmen and thieves and the US rewards them with good wishes and a war to fight.
They are going to lose the country. It became an abomination. It deserves to disappear from the world map.
They have turned themselves into refugees.
The lesson is hate is evil and kills the bearer of the hate eventually.
Larch, I think you and user are talking about two different things.
You are talking largely about the Nazis and true orcs and he about the silent majority collaborators. Such comprador scum orcs exist in every occupied society and need to be handled as you said. Collaborators are another issue altogether and require certain sensitivity.
It’s true about the collaborators: when you’re very desperate – and Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe and deliberately kept so by the worst types of comprador leaders, a segment is forced to collaborate for basic survival.. You know the Empire template – economic siege for a decade, recruitment of local traitors who steal and store loot in foreign banks in order to maintain local impoverishment, then activate civil war by moving in foreign and local mercenaries..
“Eight years of murdering old ladies and children in Donbass.” I think done mostly by orcs, open nazis and foreign mercs and “trainers.” How many of the Russian conscripts were kept on drugs and drink and not allowed to see the handiwork of their long-distance shelling? How hard has it been for those who brainwashed Germans and 3,000,000 to march East in 1941 to maintain similar controls over captive minds? The truly most troubling weapon of Hegemons for millennia has been how they capture the minds of people and turn them into drones against their own interests..
“But the people vote for conmen and thieves” This is more true for Zone A “democracies.” Yes, that makes them complicit of state crimes too. But how many actually vote (and then have their intent fulfilled), or even sympathize with the crimes of their oligarchs? It is actually miniscule in either Zone. It is a contrived and leveraged legitimacy which oligarchs actually do not possess.
As you know, this evil Imperial template systematically breaks down the very humanity and historical memory, even of Kievan Rus, the feed stock of the Russian people. Even folks who remember their roots do terrible things to survive! There is time for regret later, but a starving child or such is intolerable in the meanwhile. Do you remember the Christopher Walken character in the Deer Hunter (1978)? The minds of many are bent like that.. Millions live with such PTSD in Zone B.. You yourself said recently during the Kazakh Coup attempt that the solution to the dirty games Empire plays is amelioration of poverty and establishing a hopeful society with resilience.
And I think the Russians understand this and that’s why they are deliberately being so slow and careful with their operations not to harm this majority of long suffering victims. They really are victims.. IMO at essence this is a maliciously engineered brother-on-brother conflict which is being defused in a proper way.
I strongly agree Ukraine needs to be broken up into viable constituencies. Much of the world for that matter has been deliberately built around artificial borders to maintain permanent internal strife and ease of external control, such as the notorious 1885 Berlin conference, Sykes-Picot-Sazonov, etc. which divvied up Africa and MENA.
And I wholeheartedly agree with the denazification but let’s not forget about the context. Once responsible leaders who sincerely work for Russians and help wall off Anglo enemies are put in place, “perversion of all values” will be quickly reversed and a non-issue. Current Separation in full swing between Zones will significantly aid this maintenance of wholesome values and peace in the Russians lands.
I was waiting for Bagdad Bob to pop up as Ukraine spokesperson for truth and justice.
I’m sure American has him in Florida somewhere.
Well this was a bit of an expedition into the obvious, but of course not for the myriad proles in the West tuned into MSM….
The First Guards Tank Army surrounding Kharkov and advancing south to close the pincer from the Crimea. For those with any knowledge at all of the Ostfront in WWII, the very name of this formation should send a chill up the spine.
So my one comment about MSM PR: “the dogs bark, the caravan passes by.”
An American in a Kievan Hotel’s views on the war and the UkroNazi regime…
Well worth watching…
Don’t you worry too much! Reality is like a wall of bricks: you can convince yourself it is not there, you can claim it is just a hollogram, but when you hit it it will hurt.
it seems to me that in Wokeistan they have come to believe that reality is molded through consensus and fantasy. And that war is something like a football match.
It is not, and sooner (rather than later) they’re about to feel it.
Then it all comes down to hysteria, “what happened”? Blame throwing and a Holliwood drive to win in the screen what was lost in the ground (Rambo anyone?).
It happens again and again, but they just don’t care to learn.
The propaganda can only work for so long before the disconnect between what it is proclaiming and what those on the ground are witnessing becomes impossible to reconcile.
Case in point: in WW2 the Japanese public were not even informed that four carriers were sunk at Midway, and every battle since then – in the Solomon Islands, the Philippine Sea, around Luzon, at Okinawa – led to the smashing of the US Pacific fleet.
Always, and everywhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy was victorious.
But eventually it became hard to hide the fact that the “destroyed” US Navy kept on coming back for yet another titanic battle, and each battle seemed to be getting closer and closer to the Japanese mainland.
Eventually it became impossible to miss the fact that a resident of Tokyo only needed to look up and, yep, sure enough, those are American F6F Hellcats escorting TBF Avenger bombers.
The same thing will happen here, but in a matter of days. You know, when Kiev is surrounded by a Russian army that has been devastated time and time again. When the Ukrainian forces in Mariupol “victoriously” surrender. When the aircraft flying overhead always seem to be dropping bombs on Ukrainian positions, and never on Russian positions. When Russian helicopters are seen making a beeline to airports that Zelensky insists are still in Ukrainian hands.
When there is a cold war you can play the Mighty Wurlitzer forever. Go at it.
But in war it becomes very, very apparent very quickly when you are playing off-key.
“on the ground” for non combatants, can also be interpreted as the economy as we are now also in an economic war. The dramatic rise in petrol prices will also provide serious food for thought for the consumer and be seen as a “disconnect”. The car is worshipped in Germany. No speed limits on parts of the Autobahn is akin to the US 2nd amendment. With the Green FM Annalena Barbarossa telling everyone that “we can take the economic hurt.” “We know it’s painful but it’s for a sacred cause: “freedumb”” (as they say in England), or some such Russophobic nonsense, the voters will soon decide for themselves. Ther traffic light coalition (Greens, SPD, FDP) will collapse. And I haven’t even mentioned Nord Stream 2. When Putin said that Russia is “immune” to sanctions, it will take some considerable time for people to see this. And like the efficacy of vaccinations + boosters, in Germany they will be thinking very differently after 3-5 months. Oh, yes Russia is still immune!
Germany has just swallowed an economic suicide pill and, of course, the US & UK are most grateful.
not a bad map.
Reporting Ukrainian “heroic resistance” and Russia is being defeated etc. is the method of self protection. As long as they make believe there will be no claims that NATO must intervene.
Living in America and interacting with the public’s perception of this war is quite sickening.
It isn’t uncommon to see non-combatants cheer on combatants who are fighting for them, and there is nothing to be ashamed of IF THEY ARE THE SOLDIERS OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY. (I apologize to the mods for the all caps, but you must understand in this instance).
There are no American soldiers in Ukraine. There are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine. They all left weeks ago. The public is cheering on Ukrainian schizos fighting a vastly superior and undefeatable (for Ukraine at least) army while the United States and NATO stand in the corner and wagging their fingers. It’s as if tens of millions of people are cheering on a misguided madman fighting their battles for them. This might be the most widespread display of dishonor in all of history.
I’m not so sure regarding the part about American soldiers not being in Ukraine. Maybe no soldiers, but definitely some kind of American presence.
Just the other day, intelligence showed the presence of unmanned aerial vehicles RQ-4 ‘Global Hawk’ and MQ-9A ‘Reaper’ overhead, during the alleged Ukrainian attack by boats of the Black Sea Fleet.
Somehow a paper tiger is at least good for starting a camp fire. The total illusion of reality is not a healthy way to progress when reality takes a little bite and next thing you know all the lights go out forever.
According to Soutfront it is less than smooth sailing. They are reporting that rapid advances have left the rear unsecured, which has caused significant problems. Also meeting heavy resistsnce around Mariupol and especially Kharkiv due to some extent to command and communication errors.
They are also reporting Russian preparation for a second echelon entering Ukraine.
Best wishes and good luck to them, may they achieve their gaols quickly with a minimum of casualties.
Media Bias labels Southfront “a Russian propaganda site”, which to me raises their credibility.
It appears though that the Russians are having trouble in Kharkov and are still a bit away from Mariupol, at least according to SouthFront: https://southfront.org/mariupol-trap-ukrainian-nazis-kill-civilians-as-russians-approach-videos-18/
I also heard/read that Russia has only committed 30,000 troops for this operation in Ukraine. This can only mean that they have no intention to take over all of Ukraine. Contrast with 150,000 (just US alone) to 200,000 troops for the coalition forces in the Iraq war. And Iraq is much smaller in land size and population. We simply don’t know Russia’s objectives at this point.
My guess is to connect Crimea with the Donbass and to maintain control of the water canal to Crimea. Purely a guess.
Well, they do not control the full spectrum airwaves just yet.
An excellent and very well researched article on UNZ by Mike Whiteny (Feb 26, 2022): “Did NATO Just Declare War on Russia?” which quotes an old Saker Blog (2014) interview with Russian economist, Sergei Glaziev.
There is a correction at the end:
“Correction: NATO troops will not operate within Ukraine but exclusively in NATO member states. This was not clear from NATO’s original communique. The question remains, however, is the providing of heavy weapons an act of war? In my opinion, it would be quite easy for NATO to end the fighting by simply agreeing to make Ukraine permanently neutral, implementing the Minsk Protocol, and abandoning all plans to deploy nuclear missiles to Poland and Romania. Putin’s only demand is that NATO seriously address Russia’s legitimate security concerns.”
I would have thought the last thing these recalcitrant Ukrainians need is more military equipment — the place is clearly a dumping-ground warehouse for an inventory clean-out to allow the USA/Nato (but I repeat myself) military-industrial-congressional(kickback) complex to keep producing — “It’s the (only) economy (left), Stupid!”
Added to the junk left in Afghanistan, China is likely to downgrade iron ore purchases from Australia and swtich to the scrap metal market.
A personal update on the Ukraine war:
My oldest friend in Ukraine,a man I’ve talked to for 8 years now lives in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. He lives about 20 miles inland from the Sea of Azov. He and many people in that Oblast are of Russian ancestry,and everyone there speaks Russian.When the war in Donbass started we talked about it and he was hoping they would be liberated ,but doubted it. He told me the neo-nazis had seen large forces into that Oblast to frighten the people into being silent.After the war went to a slow boil we stopped talking about it and just discussed family matters.Like his son going to the University in Kharkov,and then deciding to live there. He sent his son there to begin with to get him away from Zaporizhzhia ,he was afraid he would fall afoul of the local neo-nazi bullies and thought him safer in Kharkov. With this latest crisis I have talked a few times over the last days and he gave me a little insight about the situation there. He said his son says the Russian troops are in parts of Kharkov.And he says that they are at,or have passed by his area of Zaporizhzhia . He told me they waved at him,and he filmed them.I asked him what he thought would happen there and he said he hoped Russia would liberate all of Ukraine. He said the country was completely controlled by nazis. So for his sake and Russia’s I hope Russia does liberate all of Ukraine,and especially the regions he and his son live in.
If Russian troops are in Zaporizhzhia they can soon block the new bridge over the Dnieper river as well as a railway bridge and a road over the dam!!
Russia will have the capability of separating the retreating Ukrainian soldiers from the war criminals, nazis, and western advisors.
Russian troops driving from the East will soon also be in the range of the bridges at Dnipro.
These crossings are the only escape routes for the Ukrainian combatants.
Yes,but the Russians in Zaporizhzhia he was talking about were in the south of the Oblast and heading more to Mariupol to surround that city. I have another FB friend in the more northern part of the Oblast and she was posting that there was a lot of fighting near her farm. But her family were in Zaporizhzhia City,where I think you are talking about,and the city is being surrounded and people aren’t able to move about.
Here in France with the media full of US∕NATO propaganda, I see the list of countries “supporting Ukraine” and the weapons they are sending.This is diplomatic solutions ? I can hardly believe the pretense that the Ukie civilians can fight and defeat the Russian military with donated tanks and guns, with gangs in Kiev fighting each other before the Russians even arrive. The Russian soft approach is purposely removed from any of the Western news. Why do Russians watch the fakes described in this post?
“not a step back” Russia. The west will never let it go their hatred of Mother Russia & the Orthodox Christianity´s Civilization. Let this one be our generation´s Stalingrad. Reach the Polish border & join our brotherly Transnistria. And, please, send the Judeo-occupied Romania a neighbour´s hello.
Soon Baghdad Bob will look more credible than Kyiv Bobby.
“As a result, the world believes that Russia is losing the war.”
It’s a good thing then, that for the russians don’t really matter what the world was misled to believe. What matters is that the russian forces are pacifying the UkroNazis with extreme prejudice ;-)
Regarding Ukrainian propaganda, here is a very interesting article I have unearthed from eight years ago:
One wonders why this theory has been sent down the memory hole, never to be heard about again?
And I am very interested to see if the Russians will attempt to decipher the truth regarding the true perpetrators of this horrible tragedy.
Regarding Ukrainian propaganda, here is a very interesting article I have unearthed from eight years ago:
“Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.”
One wonders why this theory has been sent down the memory hole, never to be heard about again?
And I am very interested to see if the Russians will attempt to decipher the truth regarding the true perpetrators of this horrible tragedy.
— repost of my previous comment, since the quote was inadvertently deleted
It has been suggested that MH-17 was a botched assassination attempt on Putin, who was scheduled to fly through the area that day.
Visual comparison of the Russia Presidents plane and the Malaysian plane – which showed evidence of being destroyed in aerial combat – lends credibility to this.
Also, from the same article:
“These charges from Malaysia are all the more significant in that Malaysia is not a strategic adversary of the United States. Unlike Russia, which already presented evidence suggesting Ukrainian involvement in the crash, Malaysia has no political motive for trying to discredit the US, the European powers, or their puppet regime in Kiev.”
Russia has never even attempted to play the propaganda game the way the West does – for 3 main reasons, 1. does it actually serve a purpose?, 2. Western media dominate the world so absolutely it is a losing contest from the outset, & 3. definitely mentality – Russians just don’t value or particularly care for PSYOPS the way the Anglo’s (in particular) do. Perfidious Albion always valued deception beyond the strategic & tactical & engaged in deception for deceptions sake – & you see where it leads, you end up believing your own BS. Russia prefers to stick to reality, & fight battles it can win. Same reason why the Russian liberation of Ukraine comes in 2022 & not in 2014 the year of the Nazi Maidan. I don’t think the Russian state & governmental apparatus will ever invest in a major PSYOPS operation to counter the west – RT is a kind of damage limitation exercise, it is of questionable value, but it has occasionally done a reasonable job (& occasionally a horrendous one). Sputnik, well, same again. As Russia does not have the objective of establishing global hegemony & raping the world for its resources so it can live beyond its means, it does not need the PSYOPS complex, which includes mass media, print, TV, radio, films, entertainment, music (shit music, mind numbingly shit), & so-called news to top it all off. What matters for Russia firstly & foremost is what the Russian populace thinks & believes, that is crucially important, & that is why you get legendary speeches by Putin, such as the one he made the other day where he exposed the history of the fake Ukrainian state, it is vital that the Russian populace are well informed & make an adult rational decision to support their government. What the idiot western world thinks & believes – well, does it matter really? And if it did – could you do anything about it? Not a lot.
Folks, you may not know it but IT IS A WAR CRIME to denigrate prisoners of war like what Kiev has been doing.
They got so used to the fact they were treating DNR/LNR fighters as “terrorists” and got away with it they did not realize this is a reall war now where the Geneva Conventions apply.
Russia hopefuly, will not step so low as to reciprocate.
And no one should be complaining they hold the higher ground. People should expect the same for Ukraine as well.
Regarding the so called Ukrainian “Tom Cruise” Top Gun Pilot over Kiev that “shot down an entire Russian squadron” the inspiration for this nonsense story comes most probably from a short movie that was created on the DCS platform (it’s a flight simulator game) made by a guy called J.P. Ferré. Published in April 2021. And it’s called surprise, surprise “The Ghost” you can watch the short movie it’s about 5 minutes long if you search DCS: The Ghost-short film (2021)
Russians are action people. They prefer action to talk. But that is a weakness. In the real world both action and talk need to be put into use in equal measure. I wrote in a comment here at the start of this operation that Russian’s international mass media is awful. Take RT and Sputniknews for example, both platforms seem more focused on reporting the negative news by the Western MSM about Russia than presenting Russian point of view uncompromisingly. This is what we are seeing playing out in this psyop by people who have mastered the art of deception. I don’t have any doubt that Russia will prevail militarily in this operation but I’m afraid it would lose the narratives. Just as USSR did in the WW2 after defeating German Nazis but got robbed of the prize. The cynical West, the USA and the UK in particular, stole the prize and rewrote the history.
You have Ukie neo Nazi’s spray foaming body cavities and shelling civvis on a daily basis, you really think the Russians care about PR.
Can’t kill enough Nazis fast enough. Our western governments are freakin’ infested with them.
To me its highly likely, that Ukrainian President would fly to Israel, if he need to do so.
I think that “somebody” is telling Germany: “you don’t need cheap gas if you can have it free…”
The West Empire can survive ONLY if they conquer Russia and stop supplying China. Everything else is a failure, cooperation is not enough…
right now: BREAKING NEWS: Putin orders Russian nuclear deterrent forces to be on highest alert
In the 67 Arab Israeli War Egyptian Propaganda was similar, Egypt winning great victories. We all laughed like hell when the Israelis got to the Canal in 4 days.
god bless russia, god bless putin, lavrov, maria, soigu, the russian people & you dear saker. i couldn’t post earlier b/c of the shame & repulsion i felt for the west & particularly canada. i have been constant in my prayers & faith that russia is indeed the angel’s wing protecting our world & leading the battle against evil & for a new bright & glorious world. god bless russia. god bless putin.
here those news and sources are more trust worthy….
Russians, Chechens, Ukrainian-Russians and Ukrainians that joined forces are moving slowly but steadly through the Ukraine…..if this contiues until Friday whole Ukraine will be under Russian-Pro Russian control…and it seems the Russians are not moving directly into the big cities rather advancing with reconnaissance teams and special units like in Syria…they will defenitly kill much less civilians than US+NATO force would ever be able too…
It’s game over for USA and NATO now….
Goebbels was a master of propaganda.
He had no equal.
But he couldn’t stop Russian tanks rolling in to Berlin in 1945.
The Ukie propagandists will soon resemble Comical Ali in 2003.
Expect to see legions of perfectly coiffured, manicured and made up Ukie supermodels bravely clutching AK47s as they march off to face Putin’s hordes.
The fake news may work the other way, by making the ukrainians overconfident and sloppy, only to find out the truth the hard way when they become encircle, captured, or cease to exist.
Quote: “What is the reason for such a public relations failure?”
My guess: “Actions speak louder than words.”
“As a result, all we see is just a handful of videos from the “Russian side” posted by volunteers from the unrecognized Donetsk republics.”
Unrecognized….. hmmm, what am I missing? Didn’t President Putin recognize the two peoples republics in the Donbass as independent nations only a few days ago?
Also, I doubt that Ukraine has a sophisticated war propaganda department. I think Ukraine gets its talking points and propaganda strategy from the US State Department and the psy-ops specialists at the CIA.
Nato is run by occultists who worship satan, the devil. They are doing all this to usher in the Antichrist where there will be so much confusion and oppression the world will see the rise of ONE leader who will TRICK people into thinking he is going to solve all these problems. He will not. He is evil. Very evil. The most evil. You must NOT EVER TAKE A MARK on your right hand or forehead to buy or sell anything or you will forever be banned from heaven and from God and you will suffer in hell. This is real. This is truth. Today is the day you need to get right with God. There is no other name under heave to be saved than that of Jesus. And if you say you are without needing to be saved, you are lying to yourself. We all need salvation. All of us. The only people who don’t need to ask are the people who don’t know to ask, such as handicapped, babies, the disabled, they are innocent and already on way to heaven. But us, we are old enough to know and choose now. Choose today who you will serve. God or the devil. Tell God you want to choose Him and be saved so you will escape the horrible evil things coming to this earth….
Your writing “… the Russians keep mum since the combat zone on their side is off limits to journalists” doesn’t square with Patrick Lancaster’s excellent credible work.
I think that Ukraine is using propaganda to gain info on military equipment of other countries, outright threatening them if they refuse to send aid, I don’t see why countries like the USA would spend 100’s of billions of dollars sending them supposed war aid (no actual news of what is being sent or done just figures in the news) unless they were ripping somebody off and Ukraine is small enough not to be a threat to them anyway so naturally they would choose Ukraine to launder funds through and get info on what other armies are doing-they especially want to infiltrate China and China knows this. Not to mention Ukraine has always had big interests in having immigrants and calling them Ukranian that helps them with their human trafficking. I know one thing for certain, Canada would be there in force for any country that really needed support and they are clearly working towards keeping their name fully out of the news since the invasion has progressed