By Ramin Mazaheri for the Saker Blog
There must be SOME criteria where the proponents of the Great Lockdown could say, “In hindsight, this was wrong.”
It is obviously hysterical to insist that admitting a policy mistake is totally, completely impossible. German fascists are not wiping out Poland, after all.
I mean, what if a secret global doomsday machine in Poland gets triggered if global GNP falls below a certain threshold, wiping out humanity? Certainly then all would agree, “The Great Lockdown turned out to be a mistake,” right?
Absurd extremes aside, the coronavirus overreaction has turned into a major test case for today’s Western worship of both technocracy and scientific secularism. Since 1980 they have insisted that national cultures should not play any shaping role in public policy because Westerners have discovered a system of “universal values” which should guide all national governments.
(The Western system is – of course – actually based on aristocratic/bourgeois neoliberalism & neo-imperialism.)
A corollary is that a technocratic 10% should be implementing these values with zero lower-class input into public policy formation. A second corollary is that science is the one, true, rightly-guided, infallible way. In April 2020 the doctors and professors are always right, and US President Donald Trump is always wrong.
But… then how do we explain this written – not spoken – declaration from the US National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, as reported by AP? This was published on April 24, during the truly fake-news controversy regarding Trump and injecting disinfectants.
“Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” the researchers wrote earlier in April in response to questions from the White House Office of Science and Technology.”
But Iran is not in summer – they are in the northern hemisphere, so Iran is in spring.
Australia is in the southern hemisphere – it is in autumn.
In fact, due to the tilting of the earth, if the northern hemisphere is in spring then the southern hemisphere can only be in autumn, never in summer. Spring in the north and summer anywhere else is an impossibility.
Not only am I not a rightly-guided epidemiologist, I am not even a scientist and yet I know this. Heck, maybe even Trump knows this.
Associated Press, the largest news-gathering organisation in the world, obviously made the same elementary mistake as these scientists. It is very possible that in their rabid desire to discredit Trump the journalists cared more about over-exaggerating his clearly off-the-cuff science than fact-checking.
My point here is not to say “gotcha, you are dumb” – my point is to say that this is precisely why socialist democracy (which relies on consensus) is so much more valuable than Western technocratic individualism. You see: God, in His wisdom, made humans imperfect – and that includes epidemiologists and we journalists.
That is why the West’s choice to rely solely on epidemiologists, and also a mainstream media which is supposed to be always ever-skeptically vetting everyone’s declarations, is a fundamentally flawed approach to handling the corona response. Combine this with a Western system where politicians are forced to be always either in electioneering mode or fund-raising mode, and you get a system which uncritically bows to very mistake-prone earthly authorities.
I find it stunning that US polls have consistently pegged general support for the lockdowns to be at 80%, and that an unthinkable 95% of Democrats say the measures don’t go too far. Considering all the poverty, the refusals to loan to Main Street, the delays in government aid, the exponentially-increasing certainty of prolonged economic chaos – Americans are still not fed up? I can only theorise that the US people have been so propagandised by a lack of “contrarian voices” – contrarian because they dare to say that the needs of the lower classes must be voiced and implemented – that they have been terrified into submission by their media. Democrats are obviously the least open to different ideas – we see how fantastically total their groupthink is.
But back to my main point: what are the realistic criteria where people would say – as people must often do if we are to have a civilised society which progresses – “I was wrong”?
I can’t think of any which would be acceptable… and that shows the massive hysteria of the Western response
Please note that “I was misled” is certainly acceptable.
After all, just turn on your television and you are almost guaranteed to see a journalist nodding along to whatever an epidemiologist is saying – these two classes have been given the key to socioeconomic policy. In the corona hysteria these two have worked in tandem, and both must be judged according to the huge power they have been given.
As late as March 20th The New York Times fake-leftist bien-pensant Nicolas Kristof quoted “one of the best disease modellers in the world” declaring that the best-case scenario in the US was “about 1.1 million deaths”, with the worst-case being “2.2 million deaths”. They even put the latter in the sub-headline. Because he is such an awful, unreadable journalist Kristof does not make it clear if these two scenarios are the result of everyone doing absolutely nothing to combat coronavirus (an absurdity, which only an ivory tower academic would waste time studying) – I assume that is the case. However, many others may not make that assumption because Kristof leads the reader to believe (and maybe he believes this – he is not clear) that despite all the personal protective gear, ventilators, new hospital beds and everything else that US society could throw at corona, then we should still expect over 1 million deaths. Thus, both scientists and Kristof conclude: “If anything, we’re still underreacting.”
It turns out the epidemiologist’s numbers were indeed based on the idea that everyone did absolutely nothing. Well, thanks for getting dumb journalists all worked up over nothing! And I guess epidemiologists can’t write Kristof’s article for him but it’s certain that this power tandem failed at the top.
I’m not surprised, because I always doubted 2.2 million and here’s one reason why: MSM journalists seem to forget that recent history is not kind to US epidemiologists: In 2014 the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted 1.4 million Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone alone. There were only 28,616 total cases. If this was Iran or China we could just accuse them of a cover-up, but alas…. And those are two countries with far, far less resources to throw at a virus. On April 3 satirical website The Onion re-ran Historians Politely Remind Nation To Check What’s Happened In Past Before Making Any Big Decisions – they are indeed more credible than The New York Times.
So what are the criteria for a fact-based backtracking?
Frankly, I don’t think the Great Lockdown supporters have thought about this at all, and that should cause them some worry.
This question has clearly been repeatedly shot down to the point where everyone self-censors, which is the most effective form of censorship. The question itself has been deemed to be proof of being a far-right neo-fascist: A Google search reveals What If the Pandemic Policymakers Are Wrong? Will health experts become the latest elite deemed “too big to fail”? That’s a great sub-headline – I’d nick it, but this article is almost completely written already. What’s too bad is that this article is from the website American Greatness, LOL.
So just asking “what if” puts me on the far-right? Well, I did just sign off on the cover to my latest book on socialism so, LOL, I could debate that rather at length. However, asking “but what if”, providing a modicum of contrarian views, being skeptical – this is what objective journalism is in any nation.
I am willing to question my faith: One article idea in my “to do” basket is, “What do socialists do if the bailouts actually work?” I am not so self-righteous, smug and smothering that I refuse to honestly ask and answer that question – it’s at least possible they will… because the question is not mathematical and because that history is not yet written.
Can Great Lockdown supporters question themselves? I doubt they can or even want to respond.
What I fear is this: that many Great Lockdown supporters are so self-righteous, out of touch and indoctrinated that they will genuinely believe that “even preventing one death made it worth it”. This is the view of a child, not an adult citizen who should know that any “War on Dying” is nothing but a joke. That is the exact view of a lowest-common denominator American politician – are REALLY trying to be like them? “Whatever you say” politicians are the third wheel on the tricycle which is steering Western, pro-upper-class corona policy.
To answer my own question: Because the virus was supposed to be so extraordinary, extraordinary measures have been taken. So it’s gone far beyond only total deaths – the accurate counting of which appears to be already hopelessly muddled.
If corona pricks the Western bubble economy (Condensing the data leaves no doubt: Fear corona-economy more than the virus) and “Great Depression 2” becomes a real thing – was it worth it?
If major aspects of the current drastic reduction in political rights get normalised – just as France prolonged a “temporary” state of emergency for two full years, and then Emmanuel Macron legalised it into common police practice – was it worth it?
If the US bows to Dr. Anthony Fauci, their nation’s leading technocrat on infectious diseases, and permanently “breaks that custom” of shaking hands to show warmth and friendship to strangers or if France ends the la bise hello kisses – was it worth it?
There are economic, political and cultural shockwaves stemming from the Great Lockdown – maybe their proponents didn’t foresee them, or maybe they were misled, but these things cannot be ignored because they, too, will cause death and pain.
You don’t want to talk about those things? No problem.
You don’t even have to answer the simple question the headline poses – too many people getting bossed around these days already.
Corona contrarianism? How about some corona common sense? Here is my list of articles published regarding the corona crisis, and I hope you will find them useful in your leftist struggle!
Capitalist-imperialist West stays home over corona – they grew a conscience? – March 22, 2020
Corona meds in every pot & a People’s QE: the Trumpian populism they hoped for? – March 23, 2020
A day’s diary from a US CEO during the Corona crisis (satire) March 23, 2020
MSNBC: Chicago price gouging up 9,000% & the sports-journalization of US media – March 25, 2020
Tough times need vanguard parties – are ‘social media users’ the West’s? – March 26, 2020
If Germany rejects Corona bonds they must quit the Eurozone – March 30, 2020
Landlord class: Waive or donate rent-profits now or fear the Cultural Revolution – March 31, 2020
Corona repeating 9/11 & Y2K hysterias? Both saw huge economic overreactions – April 1, 2020
(A Soviet?) Superman: Red Son – the new socialist film to watch on lockdown – April 2, 2020
Corona rewrites capitalist bust-chronology & proves: It’s the nation-state, stupid – April 3, 2020
Condensing the data leaves no doubt: Fear corona-economy more than the virus – April 5, 2020
‘We’re Going Wrong’: The West’s middling, middle-class corona response – April 10, 2020
Why does the UK have an ‘army’ of volunteers but the US has a shortage? – April 12, 2020
No buybacks allowed or dared? Then wave goodbye to Western stock market gains – April 13, 2020
Pity post-corona Millennials… if they don’t openly push socialism – April 14, 2020
No, the dollar will only strengthen post-corona, as usual: it’s a crisis, after all – April 16, 2020
Same 2008 QE playbook, but the Eurozone will kick off Western chaos not the US – April 18, 2020
We’re giving up our civil liberties. Fine, but to which type of state? – April 20, 2020
Coronavirus – Macron’s savior. A ‘united Europe’ – France’s murderer – April 22, 2020
Iran’s ‘resistance economy’: the post-corona wish of the West’s silent majority (1/2) – April 23, 2020
The same 12-year itch: Will banks loan down QE money this time? – April 26, 2020
The end of globalisation won’t be televised, despite the hopes of the Western 99% (2/2) – April 27, 2020
Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of the books ‘I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China’ and the upcoming ‘Socialism’s Ignored Success: Iranian Islamic Socialism’.
Ramin, you quote US polls, payed for by who? And of course how are the poll questions worded and framed. I worked in polling for a few years, you can get people to think how you want them to and answer how you want, just by how a ‘question’ is constructed.
And I’m not saying there isn’t something fishy viro wise, but countries that are diametricly apposed are standing together with the ‘personal’ covid protocols.
If the virus is a nothing burger, why did China lock down? Unless they really were under an attack of some type, dito for Russia, one of the first countries to close borders with China, one of the last to see increases in cv19 infections.
Unless Russia is playing along ‘to be like everyone else’ which makes no sense unless there really is some type of threat from the virus that the numbers do not tell. And yes, it’s is being media manipulated for max effect, by whom? The vaxxers? The money charletans? If those diametricly apposed nations are now all on board the cv19 train…………then the charade is hugeeeer than one might expect with all the .001%ers of all world Nations (even our favorites) being in cahoots (me thinks they are). Now that sucks.
using China as any excuse to lock down is stupid. Apart from so many other good reasons, the cultural revolution should go a long way to show the ability of China for self harm.
And to take a lesson in that from Mao or even Pol Pot, is not that clever.
what would it take to say the “pandemic” is a hoax?
This story looks like a fake. Look at the picture of the alleged Dr. Breen. The head is pasted on. The skin color is off, and the size. Imagine the picture as a video. Visualize that giant head bobbling around. Dr. Bucket Head. She looks young for 49, given that she must have been depressed for many years, likely abusing alcohol and medications, and would not have looked this good.
If the picture is fake we can assume the rest is too. How did “she” (do photoshop people have gender?) get from NYC to Charlottesville? Whether by car or plane, it is a grueling day, and as an MD she should have thought about all the people she could infect. Like her sister and her family. Dr. Breen must have missed “Infectious Disease 101” at medical school. That is how “top doctors” roll. We are told she was sick with Covid 19, sent home, returned to work, was reinfected and sent home again. At which point she elected to travel. A quick search for her father found only links to this story. Strange. After a full career in medicine it is odd that Google found no reference to Dr. Philip Breen. He does not appear to be still practicing and most doctors, upon retirement make some news, even if it is a local newspaper or medical newsletter. It’s doubtful he is a real person.
But facts are irrelevant here, as this piece plays entirely to emotions. Dr. Breen was traumatized (as much as pixels can be) by the flood of patients, with some found dead in the ambulances. At those sleepy NYC hospitals you can find plenty of citizen videos of, all ghost towns. But she liked to snowboard and play the cello. Very cogent facts the reader needs. They must have left out that she loved puppies, kittens and ponies. The important information here, the reason for the fakery, is that she died after being reinfected. Covid19-2.0. This is crucial to the narrative that this “plandemic” is not going away. Spun from whole cloth, it has an unlimited duration and can revisit at any time. Providing the pretext to continue or reimpose the “lockdown” (I thought only convicts got “locked down”?) whenever they please.
Why this is being staged? Breakdown in US/China trade term? Oil market madness? Cover for a new round of bailouts? Something huge is going on behind the scenes, and it has nothing to do with viruses.
You said, “Why this is being staged? Breakdown in US/China trade term? Oil market madness? Cover for a new round of bailouts? Something huge is going on behind the scenes, and it has nothing to do with viruses.”
What’s funny is I said the same thing to myself when the Obama Administration was pushing us to the brink of war with Russia over Ukraine around 2014-2015. The Western Global Elites are hiding something. Something has gone terribly wrong in ths period of Globalist/Neoliberal triumph after the first Cold War ended.
Or maybe things are going exactly according to somebody’s plan to create some kind of hellish technocratic Orwellian dystopia via a global crisis and media induced hysteria. Or maybe a dystopian world government will emerge in the wake of a Second Great Depression and the social upheaval, anarchy, conflict and bloody mayhem that would follow (Antichrist?).
I guess we will see.
Can anybody recommend another pro journalist/credible blogger who is consistently addressing the other side of the Covid-19 debate?
Maybe somebody knows of one, but I can’t find any. Doesn’t have to have the stuff about socialism, but something more rigorous than americangreatness.com. If you had told me back in 1980 that I’d be relying on Iranian government media in 2020 I’d never have believed you. Says a lot about where we are.
What I think is that people will criticize this after the fact, but not while we’re in the middle of it. Everyone seems to be saying that we should just be trying to make the best of it, but things are quickly going to hell in a handbasket.
I remember it took a year or two at least for it to be OK to question 9-11 as well. This will likely be similar. But history has proven repeatedly that once people are snookered into believing a massive lie they become personally invested in it and rarely ever admit their error later. Rest assured that the big boys realize this fact and capitalize on it with each and every one of these massive psyops. I expect at least two or three more rounds of just this CV19 nonsense before it’s exhausted its potential, by which time they’ll very likely have something much worse ready to unleash. This one’s only killed what – considerably less than a million or so worldwide if you believe all the hype? Gonna need to get rid of a lot more than that to get the desired population down to under a billion. CV19 was just a coming attraction.
Yes I watched Boris Johnson’s ‘war’ speech yesterday. He was breathless with excitement as he assured his crowds that he would not stop until he’d wrestled the creature to the ground and ‘we’ve come to the end of first phase’, whatever that means
Babuska it was me in my kitchen with WD40, a white turnip maliu float and a pair of black-market red pliers that done it. What a triumph! More details following…. but I can fix it in an instant if you want. All I need is one of Hillary’s fingernails.
@AlexBerenson former NYT reporter. Alex is doing a great, fact-based job looking at the virus from the over-reaction point of view.
Can anybody recommend another pro journalist/credible blogger who is consistently addressing the other side of the Covid-19 debate?
Global Research is pretty good.
Until recently, I would have recommended Off-Guardian, but it turns out that they have a secret index of prohibited subjects, and a secret blacklist of commenters who have violated it, the existence of neither of which is publicly acknowledged. Following the proper 1984/doublethink model, the memory hole has swallowed the fact of its own existence. But if you enjoy that sort of thing, have at it.
To learn who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
Our story begins in a small studio in Hollywood where an ex Russian GRU operative called Sergi is playing Albinoni’s adagio in G minor on his base violin.Vladhere offers a glass of pale colored liquid,
‘Have a vodka.’No thanks… like all US politicians I’m trying to give up Russian drinks.
Yes.’ said a somewhat disappointed Sergi. ‘a 1970’s photograph of Able Sjhippy with long hair in a commune just outside LA, a press cutting from the NYT, a birth certificate from an orhpanage, a CD of his wife mowing the lawn, a torn photograph of President Obama ;and a recipe of something called corona737’
Could you give an example of these forbidden subjects or explain what leads you to this conclusion?
It’s important for me to understand
If you follow the link above, you will see that the moderators are extremely reluctant to admit the existence of their blacklist, and flatly refuse to disclose the criteria for adding people to it. However, the example of the British Labour Party was not chosen at random; it seems likely that the same people you are not allowed to criticize in that organization, are also a touchy subject at the supposedly free-speech Off-Guardian. As they claim, one may separately discuss either “zionists” or “financial elites”, but to suggest any connection between the two, is apparently impermissible. Above all else, do not mention the former employers of the current President of France; as all goodthinkers know, they are just a racist myth, and do not actually exist, at least for those exercising proper reality control.
Thanks a lot ! I understand pretty well now.
Yes, I have had the same experience with OffGuardian. I use write articles for them on a regular basis, but suddenly I was disappeared from their columns. No explanation was given. But I can only surmise that there had been a change in their editorial policy, although this was never explained or made public. At present all you get in their contributors offerings are hysterical coronavirus articles and replies. They seem totally fixeated on this one issue to the exclusion of everything else. Apart from their daily offerings of monomania they seem to have gone down-market attracting an increasingly ill-informed readership whose metier consists of one-line offerings to the subject at issue. I think this has resulted a 5 or 6-fold increase in their readership and supporters. The patter involved is repeated day after day. Frankly the their website reads increasingly like a football supporters website.
Brett and Heather Weinstein have a decent podcast on the science so far:
Just keep in mind they are super careful with what they say as they are primarily dealing with a US audience who are onboard with the sinophobia. I think they are slowly bringing people round towards the most probable causes and effects.
I doubt that anybody has taken the tack that Mr. Mazaheri has – an openly, unabashedly socialist one. And then there’s the Islam, which he doesn’t try to hide as well.
21st century Iranians seem like a different breed, like Cubans. Both seem totally self-sufficient and happy in their own little worlds. I can’t name one Cuban analyst working in English, but I wish I could. It’s really too bad, in the land where Chris Cuomo is some kind of rebel hero who takes huge chances.
I agree it will take a year before we start to question the Great Lockdown. That means the rest of 2020 is just a waste, as far as looking for good sense.
Epidemiologists paid by whom?
At Swiss Propaganda Research you will find lots of epidemologists who are against the measures and the label pandemic when it comes to covid19. But they are personae non gratae in the mainstream media. You Tube are even censoring some of them, for example Knut Wittowski.
The bodycount of 2,2 millions will easily be met, by counting the victims of the measures, the Lockdown, malnutrition as victims of covid19.
Ten years ago Gates of Hell wanted to lower the population by health measures. Today he is a main economic contributer to WHO.
Welcome to Dystopia.
Sorry, I misspelled: Knut Wittkowski.
You aren’t alone with these thoughts put into your above writings.
However, the point is that virologists fear for many, many years that we could get a real pandemic turning out as a worldwide epidemic. This isn’t far fetched as any possible epidemic is overdue.
However, to the present case of COVID-19: first of all it is one of these SARS-viruses. RNA-viruses tend to mutate quite often. And as this virus has one (or even more) unknown strain(s) nobody knows how those could behave.
Thats the point.
It is noteworthy that Sweden is one country which didn’t lock-down its populace up til yet. So we shall see how that works.
There are a lot of doctors, virologists, molecular biologists and so forth who didn’t agree with the lock-down because we will not get more precise data.
Moreover, people will not get antibodies because of masks and being without contacts etc.
We shall see how Sweden is doing.
To put people or places respectively towns etc. into quarantine as China and South Korea did is ok.
There is another point: the weaknesses of many states if a real pandemic epidemic would break out has been shown yet. In Europe this will be taken into consideration in future planning. And this I find is a good outcome. As it has shown that practically most countries wouldn’t have been prepared and therefore acting as quick as China did and if we would have had or will have at any time a real worldwide pandemic epidemic than the situation would know with dead people much much different.
However, I find it still somehow funny that a state as USA isn’t able to deal with such things.
I personally think that most politicians – as least in EU – didn’t know how to deal and followed advices from some virologists.
Virologists aren’t politicians. They are eager to find out how this virus works and most of all when and where happened the “cross-over” from animals to humans. But this happens quite often.
I think too that it is wrong that any suspicion about some “behind scene action” had been planned in advance. However, some “groups” are exploiting the present situation to their “liking” (mostly because of money).
Lockdown is close to madness, in my mind. It’s too much about numbers and to little about reality.
Sweden is my country and if you would like some background to the reasons behind the choices we made, check out
Sweden’s take on corona explained by history.
Believe this article by Engdahl fits in this discussion that the models and the tests were completely unrealistic and may have been strongly correlated with the interests of Gates:
With astonishing lack of transparency or checking, one government after the other has imposed China-model lockdowns on their entire populations. It begins to look as if we are being led like sheep to slaughter for corrupted science.
What few know is that both groups owe their existence to generous funding by a tax exempt foundation that stands to make literally billions on purported vaccines and other drugs to treat coronavirus—The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
All very good. But what I read Ramin as really trying to say underneath it all is that what he calls spiritual socialism is a way of thinking about all of us being able to come together and talk freely to each other in a down to earth common sense way. And in so doing sharing a sane understanding of the best way to deal with our lives. This is much preferable to being all locked away in our own private individual mental prisons, simply trapped inside our own “preferred opinions.” And then glued to a mass media that is controlled by our oppressors. Now I would call that liberty. Would that be American?
to Snow Leopard:
US citizen had never real freedom. Their freedom is a brainwashed one. If they would value a real freedom high they would have never murdered all those Indians and would went along with them. From the beginning the right had been forced by power and gun. And slavery had been far too long being used. Up til the middle of the 20th century there were divisions within the population and the rich one ruled and the poor and black ones had to follow their rules. As in feudal times of the Middle Ages. No difference.
And even up til today there are only two parties and no other ones to challenge the ruling one. Freedom where other political parties are forbidden ?? Which freedom is that ??
If we would have now a real pandemic epidemic a lock away would have saved us thats for sure.
However, politicians acted too quickly out of fear, inexperience and ignorance.
Western mass media took the lead in producing fear in its readers and listeners. And politicians didn’t educate themselves – they listened too much to virologists and too less to get also some information about viruses by themselves and with more practical and economic senses. And acted far too quickly. And WHO is “indebted” to its money supporters. Bill Gates Foundation and several other pharma companies (and maybe other branches too).
Mass media should have been reigned in instead of spreading fear.
Mass media producing fear has nothing to do with freedom it is more manipulation.
Based on questionable evidence, government leaders were stampeded by a hysterical fearmongering media into lockdowns, stalling the economy and reckless spending of billions of dollars.
Destruction by the same media awaits anyone foolish enough to ask ” was the great lockdown wrong”.
The medias part in the lockdown should not be under estimated. Looking at our behavior over the last few weeks, you would be forgiven for thinking the the media now runs the world.
What would it take for proponents to say: ‘The Great Lockdown was wrong’?
Full disclosure of the truth.
Preferably broadcast on every communications frequency on the planet, at the same time.
Ah, c’mon Ramin.
Are you impugning the intelligence of Americans just as they are about to endorse Biden Joe?
Putting the epidemiologist bureaucrats in charge of the world was a great victory.
The biggest heist ever (Tr$10 just in the USA) has just gone off flawlessly.
It’s not like we didn’t know in advance that American doctors are the most penny-pinching cost conscious operators you could ever imagine.
Ahhh, well, 10 trillion silly little promise papers, or something, anyway…
Remember that whole ‘counting the gold reserve at Fort Knox’ thing about four years ago (wherein mr glasses himself was photographed, outside of the building of course, saying, Yes, it is totally all still there everybody…)?
It was no mistake. It was planned years ahead with many carefully planted ideas in the minds of the public. Hollywood played a role. It was a plandemic. Obvious.
Youtube is censoring videos of doctors who are calling these monstrous lies.
“What would it take for proponents to say: ‘The Great Lockdown was wrong’?”
A global regime change. Which won’t happen just yet as the JMafia still controls 99.9% of all power nodes.
It clearly IS wrong. This is the biggest power grab since 911. People have lost their minds and their freedoms. For what. A disease that in many cases are no worse than flu epidemics!
We have just entered an age of domination by sheep and total conformity with deeply illogical and arbitrary stupidity, fear and ignorance.
We should resist on every level with any means.
Oh sure Ramin, I’ll talk about these things.
“There are economic, political and cultural shockwaves stemming from the Great Lockdown – maybe their proponents didn’t foresee them, or maybe they were misled, but these things cannot be ignored because they, too, will cause death and pain.”
A virus, a scourge over the land will cause death and pain and cultural shockwaves. That is baked into the cake. Because most governments are dealing with this thing truly like idiots, does not mean we have to buy into that. There is a real virus, a plague out there (forget now who made it if anyone made it and where it was from and all of those questions). The fact it is the disease from this virus is real otherwise we have a whole bunch of crisis actors all over the world that are all playing sick to the extent of dying and the whole of China played with disconnecting their whole economy. To this, really, pull the other leg.
(Forget about the numbers that are consistently counted up and down and comparisons made with full years while we are only 4 months into this year and summer, winter, spring or fall makes no difference if you take a look at tropical countries. It is equally active in hot countries and cooler climates.)
Fact is that folks are so used to their nanny states, and they can fight the idea of it, but to truly break free of the thinking there, probably takes some other skills or gifts.
We, my family are paying no attention to the government lockdown. What we are paying attention to is to safeguard ourselves and the ones around us. Death is with us, but I’m not going to run to the death with my eyes wide open or feed my family into this maw. If governments lockdown, then they have to pay for it. And that is a real issue. They are not paying for it, but they are paying the conglomerates to stay afloat in the western world.
So, it is not that lockdowns in the West are just utterly stupid, it is that it is being done utterly stupidly. And everyone chooses their talking head that talks into what they think and posts that little bit as if it is ultimate truth. We don’t have the truth of this thing yet. And the talking heads with 5 lines of qualifications are completely over the top, and they build careers on this thing.
A reminder, even on the level of childhood diseases we ‘lock down’. If little Johnny has measles, the responsible parent will quite quickly let the parents of all the playmates know .. Little Johnny has measles, so, keep the playmates away until there is no more measles, lest this whole school or village or area kids all catch measles.
When Wuhan and later most of the rest of China locked down, and let the economy suffer to let the scourge pass from them, the Chinese government took responsibility. And now it looks like it is paying off for them – but it is early days. If one can make obscene budgets for military affairs, you can also look after your people. There is one way through the virus issue – and that is to get it to die, and you get it to die by not giving it hosts to live on and not hope on vague medicines or possible vaccinations (which is not for me anyways). But you also do not use this to electioneer, to add sanctions, and to export a further hate to the rest of the world. And mostly you don’t use it to hide an economic crash that has been a long time coming. And because one knows that compromised immune systems are at higher risk (I mean, who does not know that), you work on your own health, and that is a good thing.
Again on the economic aspects of this, I highly recommend the latest from Michael Hudson:
I have come to a simple solution for those that say – there is no virus. Those can go and volunteer for a week or so at the nearest hospital that treats for these conditions. And then let us know how you are after 14 or 15 or 20 days or so. So far, nobody has taken up this challenge and I know of quite a few that has put out this very same challenge. No need for the hassle of putting on masks and protective gear at all, because the virus is all a hoax.
Ant those that are bitterly railing against their governments, that is a good thing too. But just first figure that you need to stay healthy to stay in the struggle.
I just caught up with Peter Koenig here: https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-cruelty-universal-lockdown/5710798
He says clearly: ” … it would seem that almost all governments are coopted or tacitly coerced into adhering to the “guidelines”.
If we all believe that all governments, all countries are in cahoots on using this virus for some nefarious purpose. (Koenig says: “The pandemic was needed as a pretext to halt and collapse the world economy and the underlying social fabric.) If a virus can get the world the act in unity, if we actually believe that all countries are acting together, then I make the harsh but tongue in cheek comment: We’ve never seen this before and we need more virii.
I just read Koenig’s article before your comment, amarynth.
In the latter part of it he discusses the next Empire Control and Culling (my formulation) move: Famine!
Mass starvation. Which of course sets the human “herd” up perfectly ….for…..for…..you guessed’er Chester:
COVID 20…….. & 21…….& 22 etc. through generalized drastic immune system reduction in billions of persons. for as long as it takes for the Bloodline Families to continue sacrificing humanity to their system of Fear & Control & Ego Identity (As “Gods”) Run Amuck.
I concluded this “Food Shortages” new Crisis Pivot a few days ago, with the Tyson Foods (Big Clinton Foundation Donors, I’m sure….) announcement of “breaks in the food supply chain” (exagerrated, hyped…the counter-announcement by the Trump administration is food is secure citing 50 million pounds of pork alone in cold storage reserves) actually when I noticed the mass demonstrations in Michigan against the Governor there…Whitsett I believe her name is. …and the blowback against Fauci, Gates and the Medical & Big Pharma Mafias……by who???
Guess who? Angry crowds of Americans……with a significant portion wearing red MAGA hats.
In Florida they flooded the beaches and Governor Santis is following the people, not the other way around, in being the first densely populated state to begin ending this Mother of All Farces ……and Globalist Fauci Gates 201 Event Rehearsed False Flags.
SO: Tuco above is absolutely incorrect when he says “It will be a year before we will be allowed to question any of this.” or some such defeatist, impotent nonsense.
A few things are missing from Koenig’s article however:
1. Making “The Virus” an albatross to hang around Trump’s neck and make him and his albatross THE PATSY in this Information Warfare/Biowarfare globalist attempt at retaining control…in the face of Debt and QE to Infinity………………… otherwise being the End of Their System & Control…if they fail to pull this operation off.
2 And the biggest sign that they MAY fail to pull it off, which almost everyone misses??? Try yesterday’s X 22 Report:
https://youtu.be/x_97w-59BDc Timing Is Everything, Drip, Drip, Then The Flood, Prepare For Information Warfare – Episode 2160b
This whole globalist plan or “playbook” was known in advance ….is now fizzling in the US and THE biggest sign besides Florida opening NOW:
The predicted EXONERATION of Lt General Flynn….quite possibly TODAY.
You remove that block from the tower of deception…and about half of it may come down so fast your head will spin.
AND: There is PLENTY else in the way of “signs” that y’all might not see as related at all……from rumors and photos of prison cells for Hanks and Wilson (his bloody volleyball…..and wife…… if they surface again discard this sign…but if they don’t….I’d move it way,way up on the Priority List of Signs……to dramatic estimations around the BTC Bitcoin Halvening May 11 (More Death and Resurrection and Phoenix Rising stuff) but not to confuse with too many predicates……..it seems FLYNN is # 1 on the list….as far as I can tell right this moment.
Meanwhile, Ramin will have a lot less problem keeping down and digesting major portions of this article of 5 days ago…than you might…but breathe fresh air deeply and pause frequently ….and the impulse to reject this “food for thought” might be overcome:
The Wuhan Virus Pandemic has Exposed the American Ruling Class
By Steve McCann
“At the culmination of a national health or societal crisis in the United States, it has become de rigueur for the media and innumerable pundits ensconced within the professional class to perform a post-mortem on how the citizenry handled the crisis and what lessons the rubes in fly-over country should have learned. But in the current pandemic, the top levels of professional class that populates the ruling class and runs the media and the major institutional bureaucracies has irretrievably unmasked itself. And the in the postmortems that will come, they will be found deficient.
An immutable tenet of today’s ruling class is that if someone or an institution within their power base is labeled as “experts,” then these authorities are not to be questioned and their assumptions, predictions or projections must be treated as gospel. The century that followed the rise of the Wilsonian progressives, who idolized a powerful government run by educated experts, saw enormous scientific, medical, and industrial achievements the hands of experts, the products of higher education. The professional class, usually products of higher education, grants deference to certified experts, and the media makes celebrities out of those experts that support important goals of the ruling class. Experts have had a very good century.”
(Which is why the parasites have nearly killed the host middle class….Bro 93)
The toughest paragraph of all, for a great many of you to “keep down”:
“The fate of untold millions of Americans mired in an economic and societal depression is immaterial as long as the economy and the nation are in shambles come November 3, 2020. The people be damned as long as Donald Trump and his populist movement, the most serious threat the ruling class has ever faced, are permanently defeated.”
“This nation has survived wars, depression and seven global pandemics yet the Wuhan Virus has revealed that the current American Ruling Class is THE most serious long-term threat to this nation in its 244-year history.”
What we may discover very, very soon is that the Red State American people are simultaneously among the least cultured, least compliant and least cowardly “animals” in the human herd that the globalists have been determined to cull.
And that Trump has judoed this Globalist “Hail Mary” desperation move.
If I am wrong, then he IS the Devil…and we’ll finally be in agreement on just about everything………..except: Which Is the Real Bitcoin. LOL
In that regard, I offer this for you and Ramin to chew on, because it IS related, I am fairly confident, even though I am quite positive 99 out of 100 readers or more will be going ….”Huh???? How??? I don’t see it!!!”:
SirToshi: Sr 1. Ep #11. Chat with Eli Afram of Bitcoin Assoc
It’s either capable of scaling to the point of being some significant part of the Great Monetary Reset……….And Better Paradigm……. Before All the Blocks of The Current System Have Crashed Down & Billions Are Condemned To Death.……or its an empty shell of a Hobby Coin……..that is “too small potatoes”….and not really worth discussing during this sort of societal crisis.
Just catching up with the commentaries – three issues have never been openly discussed:
– certainly in the UK, more people currently die from the drug – Prednistolone – used to treat the Virus, than the damage of the virus itself… Prednistolone does wonders for the lungs and clears up the Virus but destroys kidney function… there has to be a better drug around…
– second, the social distancing measures are a farce when one compares how pollen or cigarette smoke travels when carried by air-currents…everyone is anyway being exposed, so too much emphasis is placed on maintaining social distancing but no attempt is made to test for the level of immunity available in every individual persons body…if you have a healthy immune system you can be a carrier of the virus without feeling strong symptoms but you can pass it on to someone who has a weaker immune system and they will be a hospital case…
– thirdly, the action of wearing a mask is controversial as the virus can breed better in a damp environment whilst if it is expelled into dry air and UV rays, it has a better chance of being killed…
Ramin, I think you did not pay a proper attention to “currently”: “countries CURRENTLY in ‘summer’ climates”. It is still 20+ oC in Sydney, same as in Tehran. Iran is moving from spring to summer. Australia is moving from summer to fall. However, from a temperate climate prospective, both locations are still experiencing summer weather.
It’s 10 degrees at night in Sydney and Tehran – how is that summer for them?
Not for Sydney, but yes for the temperate climate zones (those analyses are probably Western-centric). Google “temperature in …” for Moscow, Berlin, Krakow, etc. and look at the day/night maxima in those graphs. What Australia (or Iran) are currently experiencing is “summer” in Northern Europe.
How the National Security State Is Using Coronavirus to Push AI-Driven Mass Surveillance
By Whitney Webb —– April 25, 2020
Excerpt from the article:
In addition, since at least January, the U.S. intelligence community and the Pentagon have been at the
forefront of developing the U.S. government’s still-classified “9/11-style” response plans for the corona-
virus crisis, alongside the National Security Council. Few news organizations have noted that these
classified response plans, which are set to be triggered if and when the U.S. reaches a certain number
of coronavirus cases, has been created largely by elements of the national security state (i.e. the NSC, Pentagon, and intelligence), as opposed to civilian agencies or those focused on public health issues.
Furthermore, it has been reported that the U.S. intelligence community as well as U.S. military intelli-
gence knew by at least January (though recent reports have said as early as last November) that the coronavirus crisis would reach “pandemic proportions” by March. The American public were not warned,
but elite members of the business and political classes were apparently informed, given the record num-
bers of CEO resignations in January and several high-profile insider trading allegations that preceded the current crisis by a matter of weeks.
Perhaps even more disconcerting is the added fact that the U.S. government not only participated in the
eerily prescient pandemic simulation last October known as Event 201, it also led a series of pandemic response simulations last year. Crimson Contagion was a series of four simulations that involved 19 U.S. federal agencies, including intelligence and the military, as well as 12 different states and a host of private sector companies that simulated a devastating pandemic influenza outbreak that had originated in China.
It was led by the current HHS Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, Robert Kadlec, who
is a former lobbyist for military and intelligence contractors and a Bush-era homeland security “bioterror-
Rockefeller Admitted Elite Goal …
By Paul Joseph Watson —- January 29, 2007
“What would it take for proponents to say: ‘The Great Lockdown was wrong’?”
This will never happen:
– In Scientism you cannot admit you are wrong because its a like a religion.
– Polititians cannot walk back because of the damage they already did.
We already know how they wanna get out: Track everybody and wait for the vaccine.
All the left, right, socialist, capitalist talk is all meaningless.
What we are seeing is an authoritarian approach worldwide.
The lockdown will end once people start ingoring the orders from their leaders.
We already have that here. People have been ignoring orders not the meet with people who not life in their own household for 2 weeks now. Suddenly our leader was “allowed” people to meet again (in small groups).
The number of people who test positive for the corona virus is irrelevant. The only important factor is the death rate, but even this figure is being manipulated to justify the lockdown. What would be a more accurate guide is the total number of deaths per capita for each country from any cause whatsoever for each month of the year for preceding years.
The following information from the UK concerning death rate statistics provides some clues.
sure, but at least the German made corona test (Dr. Drosten, RKI) has been heavily critizised by Dr Wodarg. Dr Wodarg did also predict that the “Schweinegrippe” (H1N1) back in 2009/2010 was not as dangerous as predicted by others. This is a bit German, Austria and Swiss centric as Dr Drosten did try to cause u huge panic back in 2009 (H1N1).
Wodarg did predict that the corona test will test positive with many animals and will show lots of positives on many other viruses. Now we read the cats are infected but is that Covid 19 or another corona virus and some other Virus?
I mean on humans if there are other corona viruses circulating the Drosten test will show many more infected people (Covid 19 + many other viruses). There are many other problems with the test so what do we really know about Covid 19 numbers?
I wonder if you have a lockdown how many people commit suicide, die from wrong treatments at the hospital, die because they dont get surgery or an ambulance because everything is focused on Covid 19.
Another problem is that many countries dont let doctors do autopsys on so called Covid 19 deaths. In Hamburg Professor Klaus Püschel did do autopsys against the rules of the RKI (Robert Koch Institue) and found that people had multiple ills which without Covid would also be deadly.
So basically if the test has problems and we do not really know who died with Covid 19 or because of Covid 19 we just can count deaths as you say and compare to other years.
“What would it take for proponents to say: ‘The Great Lockdown was wrong’?”
Never going to happen. True Believers never back off. They double down.
“The People weren’t ready to accept what needs to be done to save the Planet/People. We need to prepare the People to accept the inevitable.”
50 years of “only ten years left to save the planet”.
Where do Russia and China enter into the equation?
Mike Stone — Satanists Playing Us Like a Fiddle
April 28, 2020
2012 London Olympics Opening Ceremony Anticipates Pandemic including scenes of Medicos Dancing
To pull off a hoax of this magnitude means millions of people have gone over to the dark side.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.” — J. Edgar Hoover ~The Elks Magazine, August 1956
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12
Are we all being played?
Played on a scale beyond our wildest dreams? Let me take you on a journey, beginning with the 2012 Olympics. The opening ceremony was designed and coordinated by Danny Boyle, the director of Trainspotting and Slumdog Millionaire.
One of the segments, ostensibly a tribute to the National Health Service (NHS), featured a stage filled with sick kids and hospital beds (Hmmm) and opened with the theme music from the movie The Exorcist. (What does satanic possession have to do with sick kids and hospital beds?)
We see a Greta Thunberg lookalike hiding under the covers of her bed and reading Peter Pan with a flashlight, we see J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter witchcraft series of books, reading a quote from Peter Pan. We see demons and ghouls and one girl’s bed hovering off the floor, just like the levitation scene in The Exorcist.
Then we see – I kid you not – dancing nurses! Yes, dozens of dancing nurses.
Now we go to 2019, where Madonna performed at the Eurovision show in Israel, of all places. Her show was filled with Masonic occult symbolism, including dozens of performers wearing gas masks who all die at the end! Was that predictive programming? How many times have you seen so-called “artists” performing in gas masks?
Now look at what’s happening today: idiot doctors and nurses laughing it up and dancing on TikTok videos in a manner reminiscent of the 2012 Olympics. Even more of them are out on the street, trying to block patriots from protesting.
There are only two possible scenarios here. Either A) Yes, it’s a disaster and thousands of people are dying from this cold virus, but we don’t care! Ha-ha-ha! Let’s dance! Or B) The whole thing is a hoax, but you idiots will believe anything, so we’re going to rub it right in your stupid faces! Ha-ha-ha! Let’s dance!
The only possible conclusion here is these people are either idiots, dancing on the graves of the deceased, or schemers, participating in a deadly hoax.
Of course, no hoax this big is complete without the obligatory celebrity-driven “We Are the World” bullshit television special. These are the ultimate, shove-it-in-their-face programming shows. This was one called “Together at Home,” and it featured dozens of talentless, scum-sucking celebrities shilling for their masters and urging viewers to do what they’re told.
Candace Owens calls this the Barbie trick. When she was 3-years-old and wouldn’t clean her room, she would be told, “Barbie cleans her room,” as a way of convincing her to do what she didn’t want to do. If she didn’t eat her vegetables: “Barbie eats her vegetables.” Of course, a 3-year-old will fall for that ruse, because they want to be like Barbie. The people pulling the Covid-Hoax are treating you like a 3-year-old.
“Together at Home” was nothing more than their telling you, “Lady Gaga wears her mask,” and “Jimmy Kimmel stays at home,” and not only did the gullible sheep fall for it, they actually donated money! To date, the show has raised over $127 million. People paying for their own imprisonment! People out of work donating money to the very scum who took away their jobs and want to see them turned into micro-chipped zombies! Am I the only one who wants to puke?
Now they’re mocking Jesus Christ, telling the world that they are the new saviors. Can it get any more disgusting? Can people actually stoop any lower? And millions of sheep are still buying the whole virus-hoax story.
There’s a part of me that wants to say, “You know what, if you people are that f-ing stupid, then I’m done communicating with any of you. You’re getting exactly what you deserve.” I just feel sorry for the kids and teens who have to grow up in a world so stupid. Hopefully, you do too. Are you beginning to see the picture?
They’re shoving it right in your face. A satanic cult rules the world, and if you want a slice, you had better get on board. Start by getting vaccinated.
Mike Stone is the author of A New America, the first novel of the Alt-Right, a dark comedy set on Election Day 2016 in Los Angeles – – Available on Amazon.
WTF? Olympic Opening Ceremony 2012 NHS
We may as well keep talking about this virus because my gut is telling me it isn’t going away. Not any time soon. Not until the reason for putting a world of healthy people under house arrest is accomplished. There is no clear idea when it will be over in Canada. In fact, in general, the talk I keep hearing is that this will all happen slowly, in stages. But there is likely to be a second and even a third wave. In fact, it may not be truly safe to emerge from our banishment from the human race until a vaccine is ready. And this, I believe is what this is really all about. A forced vaccine? Yes, but maybe not for the sake of a useless vaccine. It is the quantum dot tattoo microchip that will be included with it. The real rulers of this world want everyone chipped and controlled. Secondarily, I’ve read that current research involves the use of RNA which will alter a persons own genetics when injected. Given the deep dislike of the family dynasties running the world of people in general, and that we are using too many of their resources, they may wish to thin the herd. And if they forced a vaccine on everyone and in 6 months or a year many of those came down with a deadly illness, who would be the wiser? The main point of all this is the chip. They will keep this going. They will bring the virus back. They will cause so much pain and mental anguish that most will beg for the vaccine. So don’t expect any confessions that a mistake was made. I’ve had a few people tell me something is not right about this but they don’t know what. Many have attacked me on social media for suggesting something else is going on. They are fully captured and all that remains is to throw the chains of slavery on them. Even then, as Aldous Huxley said, they will come to love their servitude when by all rights they should not.
Good heads up on catching the ‘it’s summer is Iran and Australia comment’ from the geniuses.
According to this former Russian spook, each country will need to remove its internal parasites:
This American agrees with you. These Great Lockdown proponents also scoff at the notion that “poverty kills”. They think this nation can sustain 30%+ unemployment of the working age adult population without massive increases in crime (including murder), drug abuse, alcohol abuse, homelessness, mental illness and suicide. They are brewing a recipe for massive social upheaval and violence (possibly even civil war) but they are too blind to see what they are leading us to.
I guess they have forgotten (or are not descendants of) those Americans who suffered through the last Great Depression. I also guess they have never been to Appalachia, the Bronx, the Southside of Chicago, East St. Louis, Geary, Indiana, Stockton, California, an impoverished Indian Reservation or the barrios of Los Angeles. I guess they haven’t seen the dying rust belt cities where the steel mills are closed and the opioid crisis is in full swing. These people do not know poverty and seem clueless as to the Third World Country they are quickly turning America into.
Sorry if I was harsh on you last time. Most of the landlords I know are not rich. Not by a longshot. Most of them have only one or two rental properties. The rent money they collect often goes to pay their debts.
Russia did close it’s borders. This is the only fact that makes me think the pandemic is definitely global. The reason why Russia acted to closed its borders intrigues me. Did Russia possess intelligence that COVID was lab engineered?
Reports from MSM is that social distancing will continue even after society returns to some level of normality. I neither know anybody who has suffered from COVID or died from it. It seems to me that the AZ Empire is determined to vaccine the population according to Western MSM. Will vaccinations become optional? I highly doubt it but no doubt there are layers within society who will avoid getting the vaccine. For the normal plebians, there is no option.
if the “west” would rely on science, the lockdown, btw, isnt’ tht a prison-term? would be lifted.
Take this german retired professor for example:
There are more scientists on the topic who do the research.
Look at the alternative media or their websites.
Dr. Wodarg, https://www.wodarg.com/ (german)
Professor Klaus Püschel, head of forensic medicine in Hamburg
and so on
Sweden survived without “lockdown.”
The official line from what sounds like government institutions “Robert Koch Institut” and others is to a part paid for by the Bill Gates foundation.
The press and political parties get donations from big pharma and tout their partyline that only vaccines will help.
At best will, that has little to do with democracy.
Just follow the money.
If you dig a little deeper you can find much more damning evidence of what is going on.
The current official view states that the only way out of this is to vaccinate everybody _even without consent_ with an untested and thus potentially dangerous vaccine.
To me that is eerily similar to medical experiments done in concentration camps.
Where does the term “lockdown” come from – prison?
C19 is the first disease in history from which you can officially die without any firm evidence that you actually had it.
This “wave” of excess mortality, is a direct consequence of the lockdown (house arrest) as has recently been highlighted by NHS data analysts Edge Health.
Let’s not forget this all started with the false statistical modeling of the Imperial College- who’s track record is atrocious and who receives plenty of Pharma funding. Let’s also not forget that the CDC and the WHO are also primarily funded by big business with their largest contributors being connected to Big Pharma.
It’s an all in one seasonal virus, method of social control and business model.
Best site for data here:
Here are the total excess death numbers from the 24 countries that participate in the Euromomo survey.
Week 17 just released today.
These totals for Weeks 1-17 are from the years 2018 and 2020- we must keep in mind that this is all during a described global pandemic of historical proportions that has been the stated cause for the lock down of 3-4 billion people and the shutting down of numerous economies across the world- not to mention the immense suffering caused by both of those reactions to this pandemic.
Europe Excess Death Totals Weeks 1-17- All Ages: 2018: 1,244,275
Europe Excess Death Totals Weeks 1-17- All Ages: 2020- 831,679
Can someone explain how in the world, if we are in the midst of the equivalent of the Black Plague there are over 400,000 less deaths in 2020 than in 2018.
There is no amount of “social distancing” or fewer cars on the street or the wearing of masks or…that can account for a full reduction in total excess deaths of a full 33%.
Anyone want to try to explain this?
Hmmm those figures (if true) appear to be inconsistent with this pandemic.