by Fred Reed for the Saker blog
A staple response of nationalistic commenters on the web, when told that China is advancing rapidly in technology, is a truculent, “If the Chinese are so damn smart, why do they send their students to American universities? Huh?”
The answer may surprise. Appended below is an email from an internet friend with a career in math and engineering:
“….My oldest daughter, being half Asian, has joined many Asian circles of friends at her university. When one of the groups was talking about why Chinese come to (state), to study, one of the male students said “Not the best of the Chinese students come to America. I came here because I couldn’t get into a good college at home. It’s much easier to get into an American college. ”
The acceptance rate at my daughter’s university’s college of Science and Engineering is 7%. This student felt that it was very easy to get into.
My daughter’s best friends are now mostly foreign Asians who come here to study. Her American friends are almost all lost and adrift. Her high school has been consistently ranked in the top 3 in the state, but her former classmates are almost all lost and failing. Those classmates who got into the U of (state) of CSE are dropping out because of the work load. I don’t think those analysts at the CIA, Harvard, etc., realize that the nation’s defense depends more on what is happening to America’s young people, rather than defense or economic technology. When I was in China and visited two schools, I could see that China knows its future depends on these students.
This is not an isolated view. A few years back another friend’s daughter, then teaching petroleum geology at (I think) Rice, told him that her Nigerian students were better prepared mathematically than the American.
This, boys and girls, is the American system in flower. Degeneration is now the norm. A cursory Google search produces countless examples of math being dumbed down as being racist, grammar being abandoned for the same reason, advanced placement courses being eliminated or enstupidated for the same reason, and standardized tests and admission requirements in general being eliminated for the same reason. The underlying explanation (I will guess) is the anti-intellectualism in the fundamentally plebeian American character and the realization by the rabble that in a pseudodemocracy they can vote themselves the treasury, government, and culture. Which they have.
The foregoing are just a few examples of the growing inferiority of America’s social, economic, and governmental systems to those of China. As Americans we are told from birth that we are the smartest, most technologically and scientifically advanced, inventive, free, militarily powerful, democratic, and astonishing country in the world, far superior to such authoritarian and undemocratic nations as China. Well, it just ain’t so. Not now.
First, the Chinese government is heavily technocratic, rife with engineers, scientists, and economists. At the top, Xi Jin Ping is a chemical engineer, Biden a second-rate lawyer graduating low in his class at a mediocre law school after being caught cheating. America chooses leaders, if so they quite are, in popularity contests, and so has leaders whose chief accomplishment is being popular. When last I looked, I think that in all of Congress there was one scientist.
Since American leaders are elected every two, four, or six years, they spend more time running for reelection than governing–posing, polishing their images, consulting pollsters, testing the wind. Today the midterms preoccupy Washington with pols looking not at what the country needs but at how not to look soft on China or Russia. In 2024, will we get more Biden, or Harris? Trump? Some pretty governor whose chief appeal will be that he is not Biden or Trump? None of whom could do high-school algebra.
Second, the inherent and ineradicable weakness of democracies, that the great majority of the public lack the intelligence, knowledge, interest, or some combination of these, to be allowed to vote. So do most of Congress. They are elected for their ability to be elected, nothing else.
Hiding this ignorance, both of people and leaders, is an important duty of the media. Reporters ask, “Senator, what do you think of America’s Afghanistan policy?” not, “Do you have the slightest freaking idea of where Afghanistan is?”
A third of the public cannot name any of the three branches of the federal government, and they vote! Far fewer know what the Dardanelles are or what countries border the Caspian, whatever that is. This makes the populace easily manipulated. If CNN and MSNBC for three months say, “The Russians are coming, oh god, the Russians are coming,” polls will show that the public sees Russia as a grave danger. Not one in ten could tell the Duma from a poached egg. (I might add that it is difficult to tell our leaders from poached eggs. (If the media then said, “The Guatemalans are coming, oh God…,” in three months….
Chinese leaders do not have to concern themselves with election or this or that political fad. They can focus on long-term ends and maintain constant policies. It shows.
Third, Chinese leadership is authoritarian. When Beijing decides that something needs to be done, it is. Over two decades ago, China decided that it needed high-speed rail. It was constructed year after year and now has combined length of twenty-four thousand miles. This sustained focus, applied to a gamut running from bridges to the space program, produces results.
America cannot do this. It bogs down in a tangle of bureaucracy, infighting by special interests, and struggles over funding. America cannot undertake high-speed rail because the Republicans would block funding, airlines would pay Congress to drop the idea, racial lobbies would object that it went through their neighborhoods, environmentalists and many others would file suit, and the project would degenerate into pork.
An aspect of Chinese authoritarianism is that the government governs. If Beijing says that Bitcoin mining will stop in China, it does. Right now. If it says that some IPO won’t take place, it doesn’t. If it says that such-and-such is needed to block covid, such-and-such happens and covid is blocked. By contrast, America runs on a sort of inverse socialism. Instead of an economic system in which the means of production belong to the government. America is a system in which the government belongs to the means of production. Wall Street, the big corporations, the media, military industry, and so on This results in policy to the advantage of these, not the country. For example, purchases of hugely expensive and unnecessary weapons while infrastructure decays, an inability to fire incompetent teachers or raise standards for hiring.
Forth, American government is weak. Rebellious groups riot night after night, burning and vandalizing, and government does nothing. Flash mobs loot stores and organized shoplifting drives stores out of cities, and governments look on when they do not actually approve. Effective vaccination against covid is impossible because many refuse, with whole websites encouraging refusal. Crime flourishes, carjackings, racial attacks, shootings, and governments do nothing.
Since the Chinese do not loot, I can’t be sure how they would solve the problem. They don’t have the problem because they are civilized, and we no longer are. America could end looting with four words, “Looters will be shot,” followed by perhaps two demonstrations. But American governments have ceded control of the streets to pillagers.
Fifth, China does things to benefit its people. America doesn’t. Whether the Chinese government does this from a resurgence of Confucian values, or to keep the people happy so they don’t revolt, can be argued. The fact cannot. The standard of living in the Middle Kingdom has been going straight up, astonishingly up, over four decades.
Compare this with an America in which sprawling, growing aggregations of homeless people live on sidewalks in city after city, schools in the downtowns (We mustn’t say “slums.”) annually produce millions of semiliterates, retirement programs vanish, people can’t afford medical and dental care, university students are craftedly loaded with crippling debt for increasingly sub-mediocre educations by predatory banks, and thousands are shot annually in cities to the amazement of the civilized world.
Beijing decides which industries are vital to the country’s advance and encourages them by subsidies. This is common sense. Washington says it is “unfair trade practice.” Why Washington gets to decide the developmental policies of other countries isn’t clear and in any event Biden’s infrastructure package includes multibillion-dollar subsidies for the semiconductor business, but perhaps incoherence is thought a virtue.
Sixth, China differs starkly from America in its approach to international relations. America relies on economic coercion and military force or its threat. China depends primarily on commerce. Thus it has a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world from a for-profit economy and uses the consequent money for massive spending on China—roads, bridges, power plants. America has a massive trade deficit with the rest of the world, in particular China, and a huge national debt from the printing of money. It spends hugely on its military while infrastructure crumbles and begins to look like something from the Fifties.
Examples abound. America goads Russia militarily and economically, while Sino-Russian trade rapidly increases. America sanctions Iran and threatens it militarily, while Tehran and Beijing sign a large trade contract and Iran joins the SCO. America concludes naval alliances against China while rail traffic from China to Europe grows apace. America builds military bases in Africa while China buys up resources and builds infrastructure. America bombs Afghanistan without mercy for twenty years and then confiscates its financial reserves to starve its people; China provides aid and wants to build infrastructure and open mines. America bombs Iraq into rubble, but China inks a deal to build schools.
Seventh, Americans believe that they are free and the Chinese are not. They believe this because the media, social and legacy, tell them so. There is some truth in this. In China, if you say wrong things in chats, they simply disappear and, if you persist, the police will show up. “Wrong things” include mention of Tian An Men, Tibet, and Taiwan. In China, you do not buck the government.
In America, which has freedom of speech, websites that say wrong things disappear from Google, cannot be reposted on Facebook, are banned from YouTube and Twitter, disappear from the Wikipedia, and have their credit-card accounts canceled. If you are discovered to have said something deemed racist in an ancient email, and almost anything can be deemed racist, you can be fired. Yet there is free speech in America. The media say so.
There is a real sort of social control in China that does not exist in America. When China decided that boys were spending so much time playing video games that it was becoming a problem, it banned the games during the week and limited them to three hours on weekends. When it decided that private tutoring of children was becoming harmful, it forbade the undesirable parts. Done.
Further, China values morality of the sort that America did until recently. Pornhub is blocked, full stop. China does not have a philosophically advanced Supreme Court believing that Thomas Jefferson meant for children of ten to watch sadomasochism on cellphones. Violeta watches East Asian television series for the young out of cultural curiosity (these have Spanish subtitles). I can’t see well enough to read these, but she reports that Chinese series push civilized adolescents (to the extent these exist) speaking and behaving decently and solving the usual problems of such shows in a way consonant with morality. The US did the same in the Fifties and pre-war Sixties.
Today, the American series are all fuck this and fuck that and motherfuck the other thing and did Sally give Bobby a hand job after the prom. Take your pick.
Finally, a somewhat amorphous observation: The Chinese seem quicker, more agile, faster to market, to be moving into the future while America remains almost torpid. Five G, rapidly built out, quickly gets put to use in ports and factories. The digital yuan booms along while America talks. The digitization of almost everything roars ahead. While American trains creep along, China’s 360-mph model is in advanced development. Companies seem to get an idea Tuesday morning and have it in production by Friday afternoon. Where is this heading?
I need a drink.
Bien mieux que toute analyse financière pour décrire le déclin des US et de l’Occident en général.
Far better than any financial analysis to describe the decline of the US and the West in general.
Are you nostalgic of martial law too?
Russia’s superior defence weapons are a direct result of Russia’s superior technical education.
The F35 and the farcical Zumwalt are a direct result of the irreversible decline of the West’s in general and the US in particular education system. There is no road back for the US. Having made enemies of the rest of the World, it is not feasible to recruit well educated scientists from abroad.
“Having made enemies of the rest of the World, it is not feasible to recruit well educated scientists from abroad”
Nevertheless, it is indeed foreign born, educated and trained scientists and engineers, mostly Indians and Chinese, that now run most US high tech companies from Google to Microsoft. On the one hand that confirms the inability of the US miseducation system to teach math and science to Americans; and on the other hand it shows the ability of legacy US tech companies to pay huge salaries to attract foreign talent to keep them in the game, capitalizing on their early invention of and dominance in personal computers and the operating systems for them.
Hence, like the crazy Qwerty keyboard layout, they continue to dominate the WWW, social media, and office software not because they produce better products, but because the world is already using Windows, Linex, or Mac systems and MS Office and want backward compatibility with what they are familiar with rather than having to learn new systems or programs from scratch. But companies like Alibaba, Telegram, TicTok, and of course, Huawei are starting to eat into that US controlled software, OS, and microchip dominance: hence the desperate efforts by the US kleptocratic narco-state to block them by any means from illegal sanctions to kidnapping their executives. Anything except open free trade and competition.
“Nevertheless, it is indeed foreign born, educated and trained scientists and engineers, mostly Indians and Chinese, that now run most US high tech companies from Google to Microsoft.”
Judged by level of quality of, say, Microsoft software, it would be interesting to see where did “mostly Indians and Chinese” acquire their knowledge. Looks like they are all USA graduates, with honors, best in class. The weakest Chinese high schoolers that could not enroll to Chinese universities?
Why those companies sell their software for big bucks? Because they have monopoly. Most of governments in the west, or influenced by the west – they must buy Microsoft, whenever MS comes with new version. Same for schools, universities, and any businesses. Thus, it is not for quality of products they keep selling, it is rather bulling customers into purchases. Or so it seems.
They are not in the business of making software, they are in the business of making money.
” In 2024, will we get more Biden, or Harris? Trump? Some pretty governor whose chief appeal will be that he is not Biden or Trump? None of whom could do high-school algebra.”
Jenna Bush 4 Prez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVFlnni3H8A
I always assumed Nerf Herder was being sarcastic, I hope so anyway.
Well, I’d rather have Jenna Bush — who seems to have grown up a lot since the days of her dad’s presidency — than Chelsea Clinton, who has turned out to be just another faceless plutocrat. But as it stands now, the 2024 election is Trump’s to lose.
I’m sure that in their kinder moments the Chinese feel sorry for us, but such sympathy would be largely wasted.
One could almost conclude that it has been deliberate.
I wonder who…….
“Looters will be shot”
Except for the worst of them, those that should be pillars of the community such BlackRock and the Fed whose raids of trillions probably do not even involve much in the way of paper and printing presses but rather a few strokes on a keyboard.
Also, Fred Reed should look into experiments where some monkeys are rewarded with grapes and others slices of cucumber and what then happens. Plus, I bet there is probably a log of instigation by billionaire-funded fake left NGOs whose sole purpose is to make the jobs of billionaire-funded reactionary right NGOs and media easier.
People on the saker might not like the analogy but during the Cold War when the U.S. and USSR were arguing over who had the best economy, the retort in the 80’s was, ‘look at the store shelves’.
Well, that is how it is going to end in the U.S. We will deny reality until it becomes so obvious that people will laugh at the propagandists while they are talking. It will be a hard landing.
“It” is already “so obvious”, as you call it, and has been so for a longish time. But the Americans, nope, they aren’t laughing at the propagandists, they are voting.
I take a bit of umbrage with this; Seventh, Americans believe that they are free and the Chinese are not. They believe this because the media, social and legacy, tell them so. There is some truth in this. In China, if you say wrong things in chats, they simply disappear and, if you persist, the police will show up. “Wrong things” include mention of Tian An Men, Tibet, and Taiwan. In China, you do not buck the government.”
It’s not entirely accurate as there does need to be a persistent theme of wrong speak before you are gently escorted to the re-education centres. Now let’s compare that to the USA where people are ‘cancelled’, or sent to prison on politicized charges cooked up by Soros planted DA’s, or terminated and made unemployable by Ivy league schools, or …. the freedoms – and restrictions – in China are different from the ‘freedoms’ or restrictions in the USA.
What I do know is that the odds of being robbed, beaten, stabbed, or shot in China are orders of magnitude lower than the USA. I have the freedom of walking down the street in relative safety – now try that in Detroit!
Otherwise the essay is on target.
By contrast, America runs on a sort of inverse socialism. Instead of an economic system in which the means of production belong to the government. America is a system in which the government belongs to the means of production.
This could become a famous quote.
America is a system of government that is owned by the Oligarchs
The Chinese political scientist and venture capitalist Eric X. Li said the difference between China and the US is that in the US capital controls the government, but in China the government controls capital.
“Instead of an economic system in which the means of production belong to the government. America is a system in which the government belongs to the means of production.”
I am totally stealing that!!
I can attest, personally, to all the above. The best students remain in China. Gone are the days when STEM students in China could not receive an internationally competitive salary. Very many of the students mentioned above take advantage of the scarcity now, fueled by demand, to study abroad then to return to highly paid, prestigious positions in their home country. This return may not be immediate, as the students often choose to remain abroad to marry, have children, gain professional experience. When they see the horrible effects of western violence, woke, social media, drugs have upon children, they seek to return to what they know is a safe and nurturing society. A case in point is Shanghai, now a gleaming city awash with affluent cash, vibrant with over 24mm people, yet with ZERO crime. Young girls can attend parties, on their own by taxi or metro, return home at midnight, and never be molested or threatened in any way. In America, parents never know if their children will be coming home from school or the shopping mall that day, and no parent wants to see their daughters out of the house for the entire evening. In China, education is valued: not so in America. China has lifted 400mm people out of poverty: in the US, the middle class is driven into poverty. I could on to write volumes. One final, key fact: of the hundreds of expats I know residing in China, NONE wish to return to their home countries. Think about it.
Whargh! Why won’t the deplorables do what we tell them
Excellent analysis. Tragic description of what America has come to.
“Where is this heading?”
Rhetorical question I know. It’s just saddens me that all this was preventable. The downfall of the US will be covered in history classes all over the World for generations to come. Let us all hope it doesn’t end with the World burning in nuclear fire.
I’m a teacher and I see first hand the laziness in high school students. Homework is frowned upon, considered “busy work”…Students, and I use that term loosely, hardly study for exams. It’s laughable, students are even encouraged to take notes during class that can be used on a test/quiz. Nope, too much work…
And admin doesn’t care about what students are actually learning, admin just wants high graduation rates. School admin just wants to brag about their high percentage of graduates, nothing more. We recently administered the PSAT, and kid you not, some students didn’t even know their home address…
Thank you for these report. How true and how real are the dialogue between the two counties. When I could be young again I know to which country I would go. Sure not the USA
Yes of course Asians can get into college easily here. The system is rigged for them to do so. I have two nieces; both are 4.0 GPA. Neither could get into the premium universities they wanted locally because they identify as White. Its same story with a great many friends and acquaintances I have, despite their kids having great scores. I don’t suppose there’s any chance of my nieces going to the best Chinese universities is there?
Greetings from a Serbian in China! Actually, there very much is a chance, feel free to ask. Several years ago, they started attracting suitable foreign talent (yes, white & overseas yellow preferred here quite openly) at all age grades. The facilities & infra are incredible, and the intake capacity is in the millions. One caveat: woke libtards, gender fluid etc not welcome here.
Tell us more Novak, I’m sure you’ll find here an audience of interested readers.
4.0 GPA is laudable. Alas, 4.0 GPA from USA schools cannot compare to 4.0 GPA equivalent in China. And that would be just a requirement for taking the entry exam, in which, as per the article, only 7% are accepted. Sad, but that is how it is. Even the weakest of Chinese students who came to America to study are the best in North America, as a norm, on any education level. This may sound discouraging, but it is true. It is sad, with no children’s fault, that just is America/Capitalism.
I work in mass student testing, trust me. Since 1997 (yes, 3 years before end of the millennium, 25 years ago) we have been seeing worst and worst results in both math and language. The irony and tragedy of the system is that students who in 1997 were Grade 3,6, or 9, and had abysmal math knowledge, they are teachers today, and they teach new generations, pushing them into non deserved ignorance. All kids are smart the same, everywhere in the world. However, in some cultures parents and rulers are trying to use the smartness the best possible way, for the nation, and for individuals. We happen to live in different culture, and we are paying the price of complacency. We believed in full store shelves, cars and Hollywood, now we are experiencing a rude awakening.
Yes, but they have to speak Chinese!
In very many instances in CHina, foreign scholars do not have to speak Chinese.
In France, my son was in one of the two best enginer great school of pour country. All his friends of the top french schools who studied also in Harvard or MIT or Stanford or UCLA did not that for academic excellence but only, only for prestige. And attractive cursus for further employers.
And they all were amaze by the weakness of these universities in science and especially in mathematics, and they was particulary amaze of american natives weak level in mathematics.
They really think they are bullshit universities, where you only buy a bullshit certificate of excellence to get the best jobs.
‘“Wrong things” include mention of Tian An Men, Tibet, and Taiwan. In China, you do not buck the government.’
Chinese talk about Tiananmen, Tibet, and Taiwan all the time.
What they don’t talk about is the Tiananmen Massacre, because it didn’t happen. At all.
IF they talk about Tibet–apart from planning to visit–they remember the words of US Ambassador Chas. H. Freeman, Director for Chinese Affairs at the U.S. Department of State from 1979-1981: “The CIA programs in Tibet, which were very effective in destabilizing it, did not succeed in Xinjiang. There were similar efforts made with the Uyghurs during the Cold War that never really got off the ground. In both cases you had religion waved as a banner in support of a desire for independence or autonomy which is, of course, is anathema to any state. I do believe that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones applies here”.
The US has tried to stir up trouble in these places–and in Taiwan–and failed. So now it’s making up stories to recoup some value for its wasted billions.
As Caitlin Johnson says, “In a time of great need the US government is letting its citizens freeze, go broke, get evicted, and die of preventable illnesses, so obviously it’s of paramount importance right now that Americans rise up with one voice and direct their righteous anger at China. I’m developing a special disdain for people who mindlessly regurgitate US anti-China narratives, especially people who are normally skeptical of US government claims. There’s just no excuse for this nonsense. The geostrategic agendas are so obvious, the barefaced liars so familiar, and the facts so readily available for anyone intellectually honest enough to look”.
Here in the land of Oz, as you know, we are witnessing the most vitriolic, nauseating sinophobic outpourings that I have seen since we were defending “democracy” in Vietnam.
In the last couple of years, our present government – whose cynicism is exceeded by it’s dishonesty, exceeded by it’s corruption, exceeded only by it’s towering incompetence – decided it would be an electorally popular move to reinstate the Yellow Peril (they pretended it was a Red Peril but everyone knew what they meant), as our principal foreign policy. Since then I have been watching with a mixture of sorrow and bitter amusement the subtle way the Chinese government has been quietly turning this to their advantage in the region.
As I see it, there are two parallel narratives at play. In the White Man’s Media there is a simple, largely fact-free, black and white narrative which boils down to, “Democracy (white people) good, authoritarianism (yellow and brown people) bad.” A series of myths, (which I won’t bother rehearsing), are repeated ad nauseam as facts. Alternative views are silenced or ignored. We are told that the inscrutable Chinese intend to creep down the map, enslave us and force us to have effective 5G and fast trains and make our children study Chinese and higher mathematics. The only defense from this insidious threat, we are told, is for us to pay the US and the UK eye-watering sums of money to maybe deliver us some nuclear submarines maybe sometime in about 40 years.
To our neighbourhood, the Chinese point at us and say, “AUKUS really? Can you believe that after more than two hundred years they still think they run the place?” The neighbours remain polite, but they are laughing at us behind our backs.
Very funny and well written article. If Fred needs a drink after writing it….I need a drink after reading it, lol.
Then let this example of the former USA stand as clear warning to China: Those in possession of prosperity and peace today shall become the target of a patient evil malevolence that will eventually breach all Chinese defenses to darken the hearts and minds of the people until they too become as the ‘Mericans are today.
“Forth, American government is weak. Rebellious groups riot night after night, burning and vandalizing, and government does nothing. Flash mobs loot stores and organized shoplifting drives stores out of cities, and governments look on when they do not actually approve. Effective vaccination against covid is impossible because many refuse, with whole websites encouraging refusal. Crime flourishes, carjackings, racial attacks, shootings, and governments do nothing.”
I would submit that this is by design. Uncle $hmuel wants these things to happen. If he wanted it stopped, he could stop it, but he doesn’t. He wants to terrorize the good citizens into submission to his dictates.
You maybe right.
On the other hand I never confuse conspiracy with incompetence.
Worked on the executive floor of a multinational blob, and then Government, be it corporate corruption or lazy with a job for life, its all the same old same old
There is a reason Alien civilisations have not make contact.
I mean, just take a long hard look at us. We just weaponise everything to kill everything. The planet: poison, dump and burn. When your green valley is destroyed build a disposable concrete jungle and live in crime, filth and decay. Its the human way….by choice.
You cannot buy your way into the after life, that’s why its a small club and restricted.
Anyroad will find out soon enough.
Nothing more need be said.
Only on the Saker.
Breakfast : coffee, toast and education.
I’m loving it.
and yet the US just launched a space telescope costing wait for it 10 billion dollars? I can’t imagine being an accountant and doing an audit of NASA?
If one listens to Catherine Austin Fitts speak about black budgets and the space race and missing trillions one has to stop and reflect on what is exactly important by where all the money is going?
Now add to this America’s new Space Force and well what is it that they know?
“All kids are smart the same, everywhere in the world.”
Unfortunately this is just not true. The truly insurmountable Chinese advantage is their top-rank “national IQ”.
The future is a continuation of the past.
Until it becomes a reaction to it.
in the slogan dominated west, “freedom” in practice means the freedom to behave immorally (without the constraint of consideration for others) and thus behave oppressively. This is the freedom which the US wishes to export to the world.
the china man cannot drive a car worth a damn,fly a airplane or think for themselves–you want a china,usa fight? it will be over in 10/15 hours,half of china gone,all of its military–china has about 10,000 riots every year–you never hear of it–every one of china’s neighbors hates china–they only put up with them for a few bucks–it is much more complicated china’s impact on its neighbors–every nation that takes the china “gift” ends up getting screwed except for the leadership which gets huge payouts,bribes by china–just think of china joe and his son hunter,the two most corrupt ass wipes ever–you live in a fantasy fred–usa gets off track now and then but when the rule of law comes back into play its get back on track–china has rules but no rule of law–they are a sick society that would be burnt to the ground in the usa–at last check nobody is trying to move to china—every loser in the world wants to come to usa–get a life fred,sober up….
Nobody likes China at least according to you but yet the world all do busness with it and if that’s being an ass wipe then that’s the way to go.
Skippy you are correct – every loser in the world wants to go to the USA, its the perfect destination for those who want to be with their own kind. Please, please stay at home Skippy, you wouldn’t like it out here – you might be forced to use standard punctuation.