Friends, you want to very carefully consider whether you want to press the ‣ button and watch this video or not. It is sickening: it shows a Ukronazi deathsquad crucifying and burning alive a “separatist”. Also, while the authenticity of this video cannot be 100% confirmed, the Russian TV channel LifeNews has confirmed its authenticity. LifeNews is a rather sensationalist outlet and I would not necessarily trust it). The video will probably be removed by YouTube very soon, so if you do decide to watch it – do it now (it has been subtitled by Kazzura)
Something to offset the horror.
Graham Phillips photo album of the People in Donbass alive, living, trying for a happy life.
He brought us many heroics and many horrors in war reporting. This is all positive.
I applaud your attempt to neutralize the anger, fear and emotional manipulations this fraudulent, badly acted and shoddly produced fake video induces in most people. However, I think it’s equally important to also point out that vid seems to be a staged forgery.
The “victim” keeps his hand perfectly still and straight out after Alledgedly just having steel nails hammered thru them. His hands should be curled over and writhing reflexively and in agony, not maintaining a controlled flat posture. The fake victim kicks in a half assed fake way while being nailed and while his arms are being taped, a real victim would be kicking wildly and not going thru fake half-enthusiatic motions. The victim should be cursing and screaming wildly thru out the portion after getting nailed, what’s he got to lose, he’s being crucified anyway, but instead he stays cooperatively quiet moaning on cue only at stages when the other actors are “actively” fake hurting him – why isn’t he constantly screaming due to constant stabbing and cutting pain of the nails ripping his tendons and flesh? – could it be because he’s a bad actor?. The vid cuts off just as the flames reach his feet (I.e. before he really gets burned). Gives the crew the opportunity to take down the cross and free their fellow actor before he really gets burned.
Really seems like a pathetic film production. Definitely produced by a simpleton with evil intent (deceptive on the one hand or sadistic on the other).
Lavrov should show it personally to Merkel, Hollande, Obama, etc… what else is there to do about this?
Show concern. Ask that Azov agree to a good kind of federalization. Ask that their partners in Kiev promise not to join NATO.
To be fair it looks like Hollande and Merkel are opposing (even slightly) Washington. It’s not very significant but you can still see it (in Minsk II e.g.). Canada, UK, Poland and some others are full on the side of Washington-Wall street-mob.
I see that many europeans hope to get out of the eye of the storm. And there seems to be some serious recognition of the situation on the highest level too. The problem is that the economical collapse is inevitable and there is absolutely nothing to do about it. So it looks like everyone is hoping and mostly trying not to look at the situation.
To go to war and feed the “chaos” and confrontation is the exact method to avoid to look at the situation. It’s also maybe the only way to put up emergency laws to maintain the power under the upcoming collapse. – That’s what the powers are interested in, to hold the power in their hands in any circumstances.
Just seen the video on strelkov’s site and wanted to get more info, so thanks Saker.
There is a certain person from the Azov batallion by the name of Sgt Raven, he is on google+ and you may want to make some comments to him. By the way, he said that about 10 yrs ago he visited London and Scotland. He is also an idiot, parroting ‘Glory to Ukraine’ S***, and was completely unable to counter arguments of how sick his Government was:
Also poro****ko had his article published on the left wing British newspaper Guardian site, Friday April 24 2015. Comments are now closed until the morning, so that gives you enough time to think of a reply and have your say. Registration was easy, so let rip.
So, next to
WASIS beheaders, we’re no treated to crucifying KKK?
Kazzura, thank you for the translation.
I hope this is Russian propaganda. They want to imitate ISIS, I suppose.
They are the same nazi gangs, in Syria, in Ukraine.
It’s not imitation it’s the same people behind this
There is no other solution than total war against
the zioncabal otherwise our children have NO
“Russian propaganda?” What strategic purpose would Russia have for staging this? Don’t drink the koolaid. If staged, it is to try to draw the militias & Russia into a full out war. Russia’s best interest is in starving the “defense” industry & holding out until the US economy turns south.
Yeah, it’s gone!
I can’t watch this but this is nothing more than the death squads of South Amerika run by cia and vacationing ops soldiers. The school of the Amerika has taught this since they learned it from?
As an American I have no control over what is supposedly being done in my name. Sad
I couldn’t actually believe I was reading this . . “I can’t do anything” . . . . Obviously the time for writing letters & voting & protesting in the street is long over and is ignored by the PTB. Doesn’t mean one can’t take up arms against the criminal regime running the US. [ … ] need to targeted. Things will start to change when it becomes apparent they realise that business as usual WILL end up with them assassinated. It’s a sorry state to be in but this is where it’s at now for Americans. The need t5o stand up for what is decent & right is now !!
Chris in Ch ch should have his comments deleted – that is [ … ] not welcome on this website. Mods, please do something about this poster.
aonon…scared of Chris at Ch Ch ? I actually don’t find his post offensive….its slightly violent, but he’s calling for action….that’s ok by me. I don’t think he’d get anywhere with his idea though. Its a tough life to live these days….I’m sure glad I’m not the guy who was crucified….torture is the worst thing in the world today…but honestly think of all the animals that get tortured every day….
I hope this movie isn’t coming to a theater near me….figuratively speaking
You haven’t explained your problem with what he wrote…please do so.
Why is it not legitimate for humanity to fight against such a tyrannical and brutal force as this? If it is legitimate for the people of Donbas to stand in self-defense against the NWO fascism, why would it be less legitimate for the people of any other place to stand in self-defense against them when it becomes necessary to do so, as it inevitably will? Think of the Warsaw ghetto. People with only a small number of guns held off the Nazi army for a while. Were they wrong to try? To me their actions always seemed incredibly heroic and appropriate. In fact, I would say it is a pity they did not have more guns. I think you do not understand their long-range planning or how much they threaten all of us.
I did not and could not watch the video, but the relationship between Ukie Nazis and Wahhabi Syrian terrorists is becoming clearer by the day. May God keep this martyr and bless his family.
Yep [ anon – this is how your comments will appear until you can temper your rhetoric to something tolerable and avoid grandiose untruths. Regards, moderator B.H. ]
If u wish not to have highly emptional reaction through comments then maybe the site might consider suspending the inclusion of such disgusting video. Those with half of a brain are well aware of the atrocities being perpetrated by subhumans like members of the azov death squads. Were you expecting a mild reaction? Such things are posted to provoke not pacify. Sorry. Now you can block me as well.
Did you actually read the comment in question?
Stop texting and start thinking,ok?
Same psyops of the Syrian cannables … their signature is all over it.
The video has not yet been deleted here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXhDNTIUvg. No subtitles, though. Staged or not, it’s terrifying.
I really hope that one day justice will be served for these fascists because how goes around it comes around
Well, I’m NOT going to watch the video. I just came on the site to complain once more about RT– and an occasional bit of diplomatic hogwash that really is beyond me. Here it is:
“The Neo-Nazis in Ukraine have switched from polemics and invasion of brains to practice,” the Foreign Ministry’s representative for Human Rights and the Rule of Law, Konstantin Doldgov, told reporters on Thursday. “People wearing helmets with Nazi emblems are committing murders there.”
[So far, so good.]
The surge of movements that preach racial hatred is taking place in Ukraine and the USA despite the fact that they were among the supporters of the UN resolution on opposing the Nazi and racist tendencies in modern politics, prepared by Russia and passed by the General Assembly in December last year.
[Whaat? Three countries in the whole world actually voted against the resolution: US, Ukraine & Canada.]
You can bet RT won’t cover the crucification, just like it didn’t cover the 286 young women in the mass grave in the Lugansk region. Or the cadavers w missing organs in the Slavyansk area.
I know. I know. Russia wants to spin this out as long as possible before actual warfare because Russia grows stronger, while Ukraine & the US weaken– but the truth is powerful and it’s hard to see it shushed.
The video looks fake to me. Not only because it cuts away right as the flames get large (and we know from the Odessa massacre that the true Ukrops love to display “b-b-q’d Colorado beetles” ), but you can see both hands which were supposedly nailed through both as they “raise” the crucifix and once it is raised, and it is clear that there is no blood on either hand or on the crucifix.
Granted bleeding in such a case would not be really heavy (see e.g. http://lifeinthefastlane.com/nail-gun-injuries/) but there is no blood at all visible.
Sounded like they duct taped hands to crossbeam prior to nailing, which would reduce bleeding. But I couldn’t stomach to look it all through…
I saw my friend nail two fingers together with a nail gun. He kept them very still on his way to the emergency room, and no blood. So I think it’s real….
Hi Penelope…just a word in defense of RT…. I love Peter LaVelle and actually RT is the only site I go to … everyday … for ‘just news’. I also like the head journalist Anissana Nauoli…(sp?) such a hard name to spell…I wonder which country its from….anyway…she’s fantastic…..
Russian admin/oligarchs = US admin/oligarchs = Oligarchs everywhere.
Low level perpetual war helps the MIC everywhere and the increasing centalisation of wealth/power everywhere.
“Follow the Money: The Role of Oligarchs
While there may be more than one reason for Mr. Putin’s conciliatory gestures, the main factor seems to be economics, especially the financial interests of the powerful oligarchs that are deeply integrated into the financial networks and institutions of the West, and which are therefore threatened by economic sanctions and geopolitical turbulence. According to Forbes Magazine’s list of world billionaires for 2014, Russia has the third highest number of billionaires (111) after the United States (492) and (China 152) .
Russia’s financial moguls are mostly former bureaucrats (or their children and cronies) of the Soviet era who quickly became billionaires by virtue of fire-sale privatizations of state industries and other public properties when the Soviet Union collapsed. Contrary to the generally industrious and innovative entrepreneurs of the early stages of capitalism in the West, who were sometimes called revolutionary bourgeoisie, Russia’s oligarchic nouveau-riche have had largely a parasitic economic/financial role. By having scandalously ascended to the commanding heights of Russia’s economy, they have thus made the entire national economy dependent upon and, therefore, vulnerable to the fate or performance of their own fortunes in the marketplace, especially international markets. And since their financial fortunes are significantly vulnerable to economic sanction and other threats by Western powers, so is the entire Russian economy”
It is true that Russia’s oligarchs are criminals, but what is Putin to do? He already took the wealth of many of them, and you will note the “West” was always allied with the “dissidents” he created – who else has done so much? If he goes after them all (assuming he wanted to) he risks losing power to the “liberals”. The Russian people really need to do more to fight corruption and oligarchy (just like Americans need to do more to fight militarism and oligarchy) – but as you can see “the people” are too busy watching Kim Kardashian and football to be bothered with politics.
Russian wealth&associated power is more concentrated now than ever. The rate of concentration is increasing not decreasing. Putin is central to this – he is increasing the problem not decreasing it.
Where is your evidence?…trolling eh?….listening to voice of america?
radio free europe?
LiveLeak has it.
I don’t know,I can’t be sure.If it is Azov,it could be real,they are animals.And after seeing some of the things we’ve seen,I don’t know.I watched,and it looked like they really nailed the man’s hand to the cross.I can’t see someone allowing that done to them for a fake.If it is true,this alone is more than enough for the ceasefire to be over.As a commander I would never let my men suffer that without immediate retribution inflicted on those doing it.And I have zero respect for a commander that would.
if they had really nailed the guys hands to the cross and raised him up he would be continually crying out in pain, and why would they burn up a perfectly good pair of boots on top of it? I think this just a kind of gangsta video for Azov’s homies.
I don’t know if its real or not.But I think they stuffed the mans mouth or gagged him.I thought I heard muffled moaning.And then the fascists hit him in the nu$s with a stick or something.And the man reacted like in pain (which he would be).So I don’t know.I don’t think we should dismiss it as fake without more to go on.
Ukie sites are saying its “fake,” so it must be real. I watched it, and I’m not sure how I managed to not vomit on my laptop.
The West talks about the China censorship. There Great Firewall, the software filters, the undemocratic blah-blah-blah.
When the West’s Elites censor the Truth, it’s got their face, their fingerprints, their trail of money, their ideology, their assassins, their instructions and plans all over the material censored.
They may attempt to shred the truth like Hillary and her “private server for email”, and they may attempt to kill the bearers of the truth, like all the journalists and video cameramen and photogs targeted in the war zones.
But the horror is out. It is downloaded, and it is preserved.
The truth is very very hard to kill and bury or burn. Ask the Turks on this anniversary of the Armenian genocide.
Youtube is a farce, Google is a demon.
We are facing satan on the other side of the battle lines, and don’t ever forget that.
The Truth is out there.
There’s a story going around today that PrayPal has claimed all copyright ownership to all content of its users’ accounts.
that’s interesting anon…not sure I go along with your nicknames for it,…but about paypal…ICH – Information Clearing House has just stopped using it…hmm…wonder if I should delete my account there…wouldn’t even know how to…
As far as I understand, the video originates with CyberBerkut. Is this correct?
In the first few seconds of the video, the Azov soldier clearly identifies as an Azov member and makes the following statement: “That, what’s going to be happening now, is going to happen to everyone for aiding the separatism”.
Hence, the video seems intended as intimidation and deterrence against the separatists, and it is clearly *meant* to be made public.
So, why question is: why didn’t Azov publish the video themselves?
Maybe one of their higher-ups realized the propaganda disaster that would be for them.But they have a history of making video’s for “in-house” viewing by their members.They sometimes get out and condemn them.
This suggests that you could be right:
One aspect which makes me a bit suspicious is that the video ends at the precise moment as the fire reaches the victim’s feet.
Why is that?
Excerpt from an insightful article. I learned from it, recommend it:
There is a confusing tangle of interests at work here that make it easy to overlook relentless change and erosion of Western influence over recent decades. Beginning with Japan in 1945, Asian communities with leaders grounded in the Chinese classics have pursued soft and yielding strategies designed to gain advantage from Western corporate short term profit maximization. This has required the maintenance of mutually harmonious and desired relationships.
The Russian President Vladimir Putin seems to be the only leader outside Asia who has learned from this Asian example, even if his need to take a firm position in the face of American initiatives in Crimea has compromised his capacity to fully deploy soft strategies. American heavy handedness has, nevertheless, enabled him to use American actions to undermine American interests in Europe.
Chinese oligarchs/administration are worse than the US oligarchs/administration who are better than the Russian oligarchs/administration who are worse than the British oligarchs/dministration who are worse better than the British oligarchs/dministration.
But ther’s little to choose between them – they run the show and don’t care much about the control methods they use.
FFS people, wise up. It’s not the western hegemon v Russia/China – it’s a class stitch-up.
Either save your breath or get out the pitch forks against Obomber/Cameron’s/VVW’s thermobaric blockbusters.
Terror works. It is one of the tools of the US, certainly practiced if not perfected in Latin America.
It is also why hopes that a bad economy will cause Ukrainians to revolt are naive. People will flee to other countries, but how can unorganized people with no means of resistance face what they are up against? Besides, the Kremlin has wanted a negotiated settlement, which means no successful rebellion. So no significant help from Russia for the poor souls in Odessa.
The terror dungeon regimes in places like Guatemala lasted a long, long time.
Hear, hear. But you try explaining that to internet toughs like Chris in Ch-Ch. He apparently thinks it’s an intelligent and sane proposition to arm up and take on the hegemon in its lair. Its safe to assume that he’ll cheer the brave victim who takes his advice on from the safety of his couch, behind his keyboard, quite the brave revolutionary.
Internet toughie am I ?? I prefer realist. I served in the New Zealand Army and have sent many many
years protesting enviromental issues and peace issues. And it’s become obvious that anything short of actual violence achieves nothing. . . . especially in the US. Your police kill people on a daily basis – 115 in March alone – without any sanction 99% of the time. There comes a time when action has to be taken . . . and it will have to be taken individually as the all pervasive, all encompassing surveilence state will quickly identify ppl working together. the only thing that will make these monsters take pause is if the know that any minute might be their last and that they wont get to grow old and enjoy the spoils of their corruption. Remember what Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said about how they “burned in the Gulag wishing they’d waited in basements with hammers and axes for the KGB to come instead of quaking in fear in their apartments” . . Thats whayt I’m talking about .
It’ll be tough against the empie’s thermobarics – but Chris in Ch-Ch is correct.
Do something or stop complaining.
so ch-ch is christchurch then?
Can you explain to me why it is legitimate for people in Donbas to fight fascism, but would be inappropriate elsewhere? And we cannot speak to the possible success or failure of such efforts. Who can predict the outcome? It seems to me the US has been beaten more than once – in Vietnam, so far in Ukraine, in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc…. And particularly impressively so in Donbas, where the people have managed to resist the Empire and remain civilized. It is simply wrong and defeatist to insist they cannot be successfully resisted. It almost seems complicit. I am tired of hearing it.
Terror works for a while. But notice, the US’ playground and laboratory where they perfected all this stuff, Latin America, is now the region most successful at throwing off the shackles. Most of the US sponsored dictatorships there are gone and even a few of the “low-intensity democracies” that replaced them.
Is there any way of knowing whether this is genuine or a fake?
Has anyone studied this video?
I didn’t watch it, but I did download it for archives — one reason I want to see downloadable videos.
As fr content, as reported, there was a report of crucifying a baby to a sign, some time back, and not needing a union hall to burn people alive is not shocking in itself. No shortage of verifiable reports of other torture by the Nazis — this is what they do.
Not sure if it is real or not, but terror will be met with terror. During WW2 the Nazi divisions like SS Totenkampf and SS Dirliwager, if the Red Army caught any of these troops they more less would face an instant death. These battalions ( volunteers) are doing themselves more hard than good by doing these war atrocities, if true. The tide has also turned in favor of the rebels, they are now a well trained , well equipped fighting force with high moral. This means that they can do a cauldron of the entire Azov Bn, and force surrender.
One thing for sure, is I wouldn’t want to be a captured Azov soldier.
Lets hope this clip is nothing more than propaganda.
All the more reason to doubt its authenticity. It makes no sense to do this from the Azov perspective, they have nothing to gain by this and hell to pay as you astutely pointed out. Unless we assume they are all absolute idiots in those battalions, comforting thought I’m sure, but hardly plausible. The propaganda machine on the LDNR side however, has every Incentive to stage this and little to lose should the trick fail. Primarily to give their beleaguered and tired citizens a reason to keep fighting and quit complaining about their plight. Which makes this a transparent false flag on so many levels.
Totenkampf … BIG LOL … I couldn’t have made this up … :)
Totenkampf => Totenkopf
Dirliwager => Dirlewanger
The only answer to this is what Fr. Viktor the NAF’s ‘battle priest’ said about the truth of this war being revealed to all with eyes to see, in the article translated by Soul of the East’s Mark Hackard and which made even a fanatical Russophobe, Galicia-firster diaper baby quake a bit in its spiritual significance. Because the ex NSA dufus, despite his public tough guy persona and rambling in an appearance about how Russia is pathetic compared to NATO, and in the next how the Russians could wind up in Warsaw soon if the West doesn’t take ‘Russian aggression’ seriously, understands something. He knows deep down the NAF are in this to the finish and Ukraine will either have to kill them all at frightful cost in Ukrainian punishers’ lives to win, or more likely Kiev will lose despite trying to scorch the entire Donbass. Because these Novorossiya fighters are every bit as committed to their cause and ready to see it through for years as the Viet Cong and NVA that chased his father and much, much more powerful American forces than the ragtag UAF out of Vietnam 40 years ago. Many NAF and not just the Russian Orthodox Army believe God is on their side and they’re much closer to their armorer in Russia than the VC ever were.
The Cremation of Care
What you are seeing in this video, even if it’s a ‘fake’, ladies and gentlemen, is ‘magick’ ritual. These demoniacs are signaling to their Luciferian masters that they are ready to sacrifice many more on the altar of their common father, the god of this world. Does anyone else notice the similarities to the burning of the Owl ceremony that a certain talk radio host once secretly filmed after sneaking inside Bohemian Grove in California? Except of course at the Grove they are only simulating sacrificing a human being or child to Molech like the ancient Baal worshipping Israelites God proclaimed He detested and would destroy. In this video the Azov Nazis are actually at least presenting themselves as burning a victim in a holocaust to their dark pagan god.
Does anyone think that all those fiery images of tires burning at the Maidan, the cauldron out of which all these other ‘cauldrons’ militarily and of destroyed lives, were accidental? That the Maidan literallly resembling a pit or lake of fire was not itself a form of signaling by the string pullers, whether fleshly or above them the bodiless ‘princes and principalities’? Yes the fires were somewhat extinguished by the presence of the Orthodox priests, bearing the holy icons and calling on all to refrain from bloodshed. But as soon as they left the scene or even as a few stood vigil at the makeshift tent chapel the human sacrifices began, which the ‘Maidan self defense’ did not lift a finger despite their mini arsenals of Molotov cocktails and hunting rifles to resist. It is truly a demonic level of deception when a person who claims to be thinking and rational cannot ask himself the most simple questions as to how or why Andrey Parubiy and the others on the Maidan offered no resistance, did not so much as shoot back one time at these ‘snipers’ who materialized out of nowhere and disappeared almost as quickly — not unlike the demons in the ‘alien encounters’ or Mephistopheles legends of yesteryear.
Why should anyone be surprised that like their heroes Hitler’s original SS, which sprang from the Ahnernabe (not the Raiders of the Lost Ark parody but the real deal) and Thule societies, these hardcore Ukro-Nazis are obsessed with the occult? What they are mocking in this video sequence is not only themselves as ISIS clones (ISIS/ISIL crucified a boy in Syria for allegedly filming them) but also YOU, more so than the NAF and the Ukrainian masses who believe these Azov scum of the Earth are ‘heroes’.
You may believe that all of the above is tin foil hat religious occult mumbo jumbo. You may not believe in any of this stuff, and that’s fine. But just know that the people who imagine that they run this planet — though pulled along on demonic strings — believe every bit of it. And Ukraine is their theater of the profane.
“Why should anyone be surprised that like their heroes Hitler’s original SS, which sprang from the Ahnernabe […] and Thule societies, these hardcore Ukro-Nazis are obsessed with the occult?”
Ahnernabe … LOL :) You obviously, like most Usanians, don’t speak German, as a consequence are clueless about Germany, and so don’t know what you’re talking about. It boggles my mind how people can claim to know stuff about a country when they don’t even speak the language.
You are more likely simply fascinated by reading sensationalist theories about alleged occult influences on politics … Which is okay, it’s a kind of entertainment. Like some people love watching crime stories or telenovelas, on and on and on.
My take on this: The video is fake and that’s it. Just like the chopped off heads of Donbass fighters sent to their mothers that Saker wrote about last summer. There’s a propaganda war, and it works both ways.
At last — one more person that doesn’t call the inhabitants in USA “americans” . For years I have been the only person I know of that calls them USA-nians, which is a most logical word.
They don’t “own” the entire Americas. To call them “americans” just boosts the idea of *exceptionality* ,
You can tell it’s fake by the fact that those being threatened, ie separatists and Russian world proponents, promote and amplify the video and its message of intimidation much more vociferously than the Azov/ Ukrainian side who’s objective it supposedly is to send the message. Why is the Ukie side being defensive instead of proactive? And Why is this spreading like a brushfire throughout the Russian blogosphere? Wasn’t there a previous attempt to frame the territorial battalions with a similar crucifixion based story last year in slavyansk? It is obvious the intended audience for this stunt is an orthodox religious base with whom the concept of crucifixions and desecration of iconic imagery would resonate most profoundly. Whoever staged this is trying to appeal to the base fears of the citizens of Donbass in an attempt to distract them from their terrible social condition and refocus their flagging attention on the external enemy, the dreaded Azov and punisher battalions. Classic false flag. Whatever happened to that woman who claimed to have witnessed her baby being crucified, guess she served her propaganda purpose and got discarded for her story’s failure to stick. This seems a redux of that initial attempt.
Unfortunately I think you are correct.
You need to be careful here though – Kat Kan will require unquestionable proof to back your assertion (even though same referred to a benign trillionaire once??).
Reports of 10-year-old killed in Ukraine ‘made up’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32137302
“Göring: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
In an interview with Gilbert in Göring’s jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946)”
No, Anonymous, actually it is YOU I will ask to learn to be more critical. That does not mean to criticise me more. It means to be more discerning in what you read before deciding to believe it.
“Reports of 10-year-old killed in Ukraine ‘made up’ ”
Did you actually even watch it? if you had, you’d notice a few interesting things about it:
* it starts with the reporter’s tablet showing a supposed Russian TV news report (about a girl being killed, according to her… no translation).
* there is no channel ID or date on the report, we only have her word for it that it was the day before or was actually broadcast anywhere.
* the reporter claims to be asking questions in the area the death occurred, but there is nothing to indicate that is where she actually is
* all conversations are given as sub-titles but the sound is so low, there is no way to hear the actual words spoken, therefore to check if the translation is accurate or not
So we have a reporter CLAIMING there was a news report, then CLAIMING people (supposedly, by her, on the spot ) denied knowledge of it. There is nothing verifiable about anything whatsoever in the whole story. The whole thing from start to finish is the reporter’s allegations, the conversations being 100% sub-titles with no audible talk. Even the location could be anywhere; there’s not even a flash of a street or locality sign photographed.
The report was made April 6 or 7. There WAS a 10 year old girl killed in the Petrovsky district — on March 23. Maybe a TV channel did mention it on April 6, maybe as “the last time someone was killed”. We don’t know. She’s not told us the channel, the date of broadcast, or given enough audio to verify what was actually being said.
Of course if you had not watched it, you would not know any of this. But then posting it is just disseminating propaganda. You just believed the story based on the headline???
Approximately the same level of criticality as your continuing foghorn support for the Russian admin/oligarchs even as they sank the Libyans and sink the Houthis and administer increasing inequality.
Wise up – it is a class war
Since you don’t mind the benign trillionaire I can imagine you may not be concerned about the foot soldiers dying from anybody’s side – just so long as the tsar and his chums (yourself included) hang onto power (and your inheritance of course).
So long as the e- have enough to eat that ok, right?
Keep counting the 401, in between cheerleading.
PS: If you don’t think there is misinformation on both sides then you are gullible.
PPS: I can’t find a report of this in Russian TV, so it seems I was rather gullible this time around.
Please stop raving.
Who ever said anything about Russian admin/oligarchs doing anything “sinking” about Libya or Houthis? are they in fact doing anything? if so, would you be able to enlighten us about details?
Stop inventing things.
Getting back to the topic — you didn’t necessarily have to check the Russian TV for that story. All you had to do was watch the actual video story that you yourself linked — and NOTICE that there is ZERO verifiable information in it. No dates, no places, no audio to check against sub-titled “translations”.
I am trying to teach you how to check the likeliness of what you read/see. Don’t just believe.
And you have the “proof” of who carried out the crucifixion (if it occurred)?
In my opinion,
you are a Capitalist, Russian Nationalist troll – I do despise such individuals.
I am the opposite, so you consider me as the contrary “troll” & I assume you likewise despise me.
I’ve been trying to argue with you that this is a class war for weeks/months – the oligarchs (and their slave administrations) v those who believe:
…”Because ordinary Americans, like any people, need to believe that whatever the ruling elite undertakes in their nation’s name must be essentially benevolent, noble in purpose and justified in fact, the myth had to be radically modified…”
You choose not to listen – since, I bleieve, you are a Capitalist / Russian Nationalist troll that is likely not to change.
So we will continue the futile debate ad-infinitum.
You sure are good at making assumptions.
Please learn to deal in facts, not things you invent. Don’t go quoting USA-centric survival videos at me, either. Try to have some thoughts of your own, and express them in your own words. Try to keep it roughly along the lines of the topic of the thread you’re posting on.
Any further personal comments will be deleted. Try hearing the message, forget about the messenger.
Who is responsible for the crucifixion video?
do you have facts?
Who do you believe was responsible for 911?
Do you have facts.
USA-centric survival videos?
You mean – the truth…
Kat Kan on April 25, 2015 · at 4:06 pm UTC said:
“Don’t go quoting USA-centric survival videos at me, either.”
Here’s what the saker said about the quoted video:
“The Saker on April 24, 2015 · at 3:21 am UTC
You might be right or not, but what an inelegant way of putting it.
Besides, I know the video you recommend, and it is, indeed, very good.“
You are correct – this is a class war. And yet, you are like many I know on the so-called American left, who are completely ignorant of Russia and the transformation that has been occurring there since the fall of the Soviet Union. No one here denies there is corruption in Russia, but many people believe Putin is behaving like a true statesman and is of a different mold and character than other wealthy rulers of the era. He does seem to act in the interest of the Russian people and, like the Russian people as a whole, refuses to support the fascist future being planned by the Western elite.
Could there be a backdoor plan hatched out by these rich men at the expense of all humanity? There could be, but based on all available evidence Saker and people in this community have rejected that analysis regarding Putin.
What I find characterizes my friends on the left is blind russophobia, created by a lot of faux-alternative news that has been coming out of the heavily (probably CIA) managed online left new sites over the past year. After a steady diet of propaganda they now consider themselves to be Russia experts. I find no actual facts from the present can persuade them to abandon their ideas about Putin or events in Ukraine. The Western oligarchy now owns them completely.
But Kat Kan, surely you must know that the story could not have been true because no children at all have been killed in Ukraine, and in fact no one at all has been killed anywhere in Ukraine during this entire time — it’s all just invented propaganda by the evil Russians, Donbassians, Yukochenko, and the forces of evil, and everything in Ukraine has been just wonderful, now that the evil and corrupt former president has been chased away.
So of course no one was crucified either — just another fake video from Putin’s slaves. If you want solid trustworthy information, listen to Obama, Kerry, Harf, and the major corporate news media, which never lies or distorts. And always believe what anonymous says.
There’s a good girl — now swallow this pill and drink your milk and go to bed, while Obama and his superhero friends watch over you so no harm will come to you while you sleep…
Nope — no children were ever killed in Ukraine.
Wise up blue.
You may think we fade to waves on death – perhaps true.
smell the coffee before you get there.
Money is the same everywhere – Russia/ Engerland Russ / China
You’ve seen it in the Bronx – it’s the same everywhere.
You think children HAVE been killed in Ukraine? That the stories about this are true?
Strangely enough, however, money is not the same everywhere — it is not always and everywhere the driver of all actions above all else. And no, not even in the Bronx, or among all Americans.
Do you think everyone fighting for Donbas is doing it for money?
“Do you think everyone fighting for Donbas is doing it for money?”
I was thinking about going there myself..
And then I tread bewetween thlne lines.
Why should I die for a bunch of rich people..
Would you go & fight in Donbass?
wise up blue.
…”Because ordinary Americans (Russians added), like any people, need to believe that whatever the ruling elite undertakes in their nation’s name must be essentially benevolent, noble in purpose and justified in fact, the myth had to be radically modified…”
People who tell me to wise should first demonstrate superior wisdom themselves, and say more that’s illuminating than common knowledge, or what is taken to be knowledge, and citing a video (even if it’s a decent video).
I myself am well past the time I could be effective fighting anyone, physically, anyway, but I’ve been fighting against fascism in some form for over 50 years — seems I have an allergy to it. Also to ignorance and lack of critical thinking, which is not a pleasant state to be in when living in the fascist nation of USA.
The first thing to gain a little mastery of is individual and social psychology since it’s mind that is the main instrument of struggle — Steven Biko: “The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed”. But the mind is also a potent source of error even without an obvious oppressor since it developed mostly for things like finding food, reproduction, and not walking into holes in the ground or being eaten by tigers. It’s quite reactive and script driven, as opposed to proactive or analytical. (And the oppressors love that!) Most people are driven fairly insane by early childhood experience (including indoctrination regarding authority or parent-substitutes). In any case, none of us are smart enough (as Brecht wrote).
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Not the The Shadow — as written — which character was as insane as anyone, and also walking around with a fogged mind in a mostly invisible world, self-explained with over-abstracted flawed narratives. That is the human condition we are stuck with.
I repeat: why should anyone be surprised that Nazis would crucify and incinerate someone? Even the noble USA has been incinerating people daily for decades, and torture is commonly done by it (them, us, hired terrorists, however labeled). It’s in the news all the while.
Is it not a bit strange that this one incident should be highlighted and argued over as if it were extraordinary? And what of the thousands of ‘Vanyas’ or children with Afghani, or Iraqi, or Libyan, or Latin names, over the decades, and their parents and grandparents?
SPOCK: I’ve noticed that about your people, Doctor. You find it easier to understand the death of one than the death of a million. You speak about the objective hardness of the Vulcan heart, yet how little room there seems to be in yours.
MCCOY: Suffer the death of thy neighbour, eh, Spock? You wouldn’t wish that on us, would you?
SPOCK: It might have rendered your history a bit less bloody.
blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:
“or with the other opposing forces (nationalists or monarchists, or communists) in Russia. In other words, Russia is not a fascist country like the US and many EU countries are, where money of the wealthy controls everything.”
Is your definition of fascist the same as this http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism
“any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism” ?
Is the Russian administration Nationalist – for discussion, let’s assume it is.
Is it right wing? based on previously quoted excerpts of liability transfers it seems certain it is.
Is it authoritarian? seems so (e.g flawed but interesting http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879366513000365)
Is it hierarchical? seems so
Is it opposed to democracy? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879366513000365)
“Where does democracy fit into this? As noted, Putin does not expressly reject democracy, and, unlike Nicholas, he does not publicly justify or praise autocracy. Indeed, in 2012 he noted that “any innovation must strengthen the democratic character of our state” (Izvestia, 2012). Ironically, the context of this quote was defending a law that would increase the fines for those engaged in street protests. The irony, it seems, is lost on him. Rather, under Putin, Russian leaders have embraced particular, modified versions of democracy, ones that, they would contend, better reflect Russian history and/or Russia’s current situation. “
Is it opposed to liberalism (where that = liberty&equality)? since it is opposed to equality, then it is opposed to liberalism.
In summary, there is a case to say that Russia is Fascist and that money/wealth controls everything – is there not?
blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:
“I’ve read there was a deal of sorts where Putin said they could keep their money if they got out of politics.”
That’s a different deal to the one I refer to – can you post links please?
blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:
“That said, the struggle is still there. But Russian oligarchs are not destroying country after country, or destroying Russia at this point like under Yeltsin (or even Gorbachev) when he knuckled under to the west.”
As I said in reply to matt janovic here Anonymous on April 22, 2015 · at 6:46 am UTC
matt janovic on April 21, 2015 · at 7:24 pm UTC said:
“The record shows that only imperial democracies, Israel, india, and US-protected Islamic states (Indonesia, Moracco, Saudi Arabia, Iraq) do invasions.”
Perhaps, if the Russian oligarchs (somehow) get enough power they can follow these footsteps.
blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:
“So I think what I said isn’t so far off within the context of the post.”
I’m still not sue.
Why dont you just write a book?
Then all we need do is not buy it!
First, fascism is an overloaded term, and refer to either the power structure — i.e., rule by the wealthy or powerful elite, meaning, essentially, the deep state — or to the trappings and political and legal structures of the authoritarianism which is an integral part of the deep state by oligarchy or tyrants. (see 14 points of fascism, at http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm for instance).
One might also reference Hedges and Wollin’s idea of inverted totalitarianism, where the structure of a country is authoritarian and fascist.
In addition to fascism we have to deal with imperialism, which is generally part of fascism, but not necessarily developed, or fully so, since fascism or totalitarianism can exist withing isolation and xenophobia (as in N. Korea), and especially so when the country does not have the resources to war with others.
All of these terms relate to radial categories. cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_semantics
The deep state aligns more with generative categorization, while the trappings more with radial categorization and conventional usage
(And we see similar problems with ‘liberal’, particularly regarding ‘freedom’ without defining freedom for who: liberal is often meant to mean freedom for the ruling class to do what they want, anywhere, while disregarding the freedom of the lower and working classes.
One thing Putin has done is to disrupt the oligarch’s rule of the political state, as well as the accumulation of wealth on the backs of the people. In that sense he is anti-liberal: limiting the capitalists’ freedom to exploit others. In the US / empire the opposite has happened, with the wealthy and political elite accruing more at the expense of the people, and expanding their control over the rest of the world — which is a natural outcome of the capitalist system, and countered by socialism.
Bear in mind that terms such as conservative, or even right wing, are relative and can be used to describe very different things. (Hence the invention of terms such as ‘paleoconservative and neoconservative).
The term communism has been wildly distorted and applied to state capitalism and totalitarianism, which are diametrically opposed to actual communism (and also note that the Nazis called themselves national socialists — another propaganda ploy, under which the actual socialists were quickly eliminated).
So lets cut through the linguistic fog and look at the events. The US has been taking over the world from its inception, using a variety of physical and psychological tactics, while Russia has not, and even the USSR acted primarily in defensive ways in reaction to western imperialism, including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War , http://www.criticalenquiry.org/history/polarbear.shtml :US and Allied Wars in Russia, 1918-22
The Russian imperialist era ended with the revolution and overthrow of the czar. The forces behind the expansion of the USSR were largely the result of the west trying to destroy communism, leading to the formation of the idea of ‘permanent revolution’, meaning that communism could never be established in just one country because it would continually be attacked from the rest of the world — which happened.
Fascistic elements crept into the USSR, pertly because it is always a force to be guarded against, but also because the methods of fascism and authoritarianism used by the deep state and oligarchy (or by a tyrant) are more easily employed when a country is under attack — which is the reason why false flags and focusing on an enemy (real or imagined) are used to consolidate power.
So it can be seen that this is a complex subject with many interacting issues and elements, and not reducible to a few labeling terms. Nonetheless, Russia, with all it’s problems and deleterious sort of conservatism, has been becoming less fascist and totalitarian, while the US/EU empire has been becoming more so.
(I hope you include a chapter on these issues in your forthcoming book… )
I also think the video is fake. The man being crucified only screams part of the time. Shouldn’t he always scream? Also they don’t show him being burned. If the point of the video is to spread fear shouldn’t they make it as gruesome as possible?
The ‘crucified child’ story is often used by western media to discredit Russia media.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was released in the knowledge that LifeNews or someone similar would almost certainly want to broadcast it.
Here is a video of Right Sector Ukrops hanging an antifascist. It is real. Look for yourself. Happened last year, just after the Euromaidan coup.
No that video you linked too (right sector hanging someone) was fake too.
Just as this ridiculous poorly produced and badly acted stunt crucifixion with burning is fake.
The arms are firmly attached with lots of duct tape. There is no blood on the hands to indicate any actual nailing. There are some sounds of hammering, but no images of it.
The feet/legs are never tied down, but most of the kicking he does is fairly token, except the one time he seems to get the crotch of one of the perpetrators. He makes no attempt to kick, OR to raise his feet to support his weight, once the cross is raised.
The uniforms are fairly standard, except the one at the right (with his back to us apparently doing the hammering) who has a strange vest with horizontal shiny stripes. Similar to what these guys are wearing, which I’ve not seen in earlier Ukraine images
Then as others already said, the film stops as soon as the flames start.
Propaganda designed to scare people, I’d say. But the real things they do are a lot worse, so this doesn’t make much sense to me. The attempted scary symbolism only makes the “separatist” look like a holy matryr, probably not how they intended to portray him.
This is either a fake, or a ‘double fake’ – Ukies making an obvious fake video so that they can accuse Russia of spreading ‘fake propaganda aimed at instigating more violence’.
Things like this are prob. just a baits for RT in order to discredit them. Like that story from the last summer about kid being impaled / nailed to the billboard or something like that.
If, for example RT were to report on these fake stories they would suffer an organized attack by all the western media. They are desperate to discredit the russian media as more and more people in the west see RT as more truthful in comparison to the MSM.
* I’d still leave a small percentage that this could really be the case as you all know that this wouldn’t be the first person burned alive since all this started. And after seeing pictures of burned Russians from Odessa many neo-nazis giggled.
The best assessment so far. I’m reading many genuinely horrified reactions online, but as a cynical western bastard, I suspected from the start that they were “trolling” Russian media. Dangling this out as bait. The CIA’s psyops whiz kids in Kiev are being clever.
Yeah, gotta keep a cool head and not jump on a first ‘ball’. Ask yourself some questions first and look who benefits from what…
I agree with Sinisha’s post that this crucifixion video could have been faked to fool and humiliate pro-Russian supporters to silence them as “cry wolf” idiots, in a way similar to last year’s reports about the Google satellite image, showing a Ukrainian fighter jet firing at Malaysia Airlines MH17 and which was revealed as being made up of past Google photos, and the way this was used to try to discredit people who believe that the Boeing had been shot down by Ukrainians.
Another possibility is that Ukrainians could have filmed this video with the aim of discrediting and isolating Azov Battalion and by implication discrediting and isolating Ihor Kolomoisky, to set him up for humiliating or scapegoating.
“Kiev, bloodstained regime: A web of dubious origin “points” opponents who are then killed in Ukraine”:
The Saker,Bot Tak,Kat Kan and others who dislike Zionism may enjoy the following links
Benjamin Freedman speaks about the zionist conspiricies and the ruin of Germany,leading to WW2 and the so-called holohoax
the holohoax debunked once and for all
Out of curiosity I clicked on the link you provided expecting to laugh at the spectacle of some KKK David Duke style racist idiot make an inane speech condemning Jews and blaming them for everything real or imagined. Instead it turns out to be speech from a man who is himself Jewish and wealthy.
This was not what I was expecting and I am thoroughly confused by the Freedman video you posted: I could not understand it. It made absolutely no sense to me. It had factual errors and hyperbole. As an example he claims that the term Jew or references to the Jewish people did not exist prior to a 1300AD bible translation; that it referred to Judea only. This seems as nonsense: references to the Jews or Yehude people are clear in the Koran and Mohammed’s sayings (and Mohammed wasn’t referring to Judea but Jews living in Arabia) which were from late 600 to mid 700 AD. They are clearly defined as a distinct people. I don’t know what to make of the disinfo in Freedman’s ‘speech’.
Why would someone who is himself Jewish engage in such charges? I honestly don’t understand it, nor his convoluted narrative. Nor his weird way of refering to Jews as “They” as if he himself is not a Jew and the Jews he condemns are apart from him, as if he is a non-Jew. This speech came across to more as a mythology than real history. Really strange ‘ revelations’.
This might be a UAF provocation.
Basurin reports that UAF officers are asking DNR officers to attack AZOV.
DNR is answering “They’re yours. You take care of it with your own forces and your own men.”
“We got lucky with Russia’: US citizen’s family to RT after Yemen evacuation”
Yip, more RT Oligarch/VVP vomit http://rt.com/news/253001-yemen-evacuation-russia-us/
DEAD f***ing lucky.
Wake up people – it’s a class war.
Your credibility would improve if your imagination could invent a name for yourself that we all could recognise.The anons are terribly tiresome to try and follow.
More info is here on video and also on various messages. Make what you will of it all.
First came the hanging video, then Odessa, then shootings, then the video with the casserole execution. They are extremely vicious, brutal & vindictive.
“My take on this: The video is fake and that’s it. Just like the chopped off heads of Donbass fighters sent to their mothers that Saker wrote about last summer. There’s a propaganda war, and it works both ways.”
You are obviously correct Lumi. The Ukranians are often depicted
as vicious monsters on this blog, just as they themselves
demonize the separatists. This vid looks as fake as they come.
Синиша wrote on April 25, 2015 · at 11:33 am UTC
“This is either a fake, or a ‘double fake’ – Ukies making an obvious fake video so that they can accuse Russia of spreading ‘fake propaganda aimed at instigating more violence’.”
An interesting point, you may have nailed it.
I fail to see what makes this story so unbelievable. It’s not much out of the ordinary.
By David Blair, Kiev
10:59AM GMT 31 Jan 2014
Ukraine protest leader ‘crucified and mutilated’ after being abducted
Dmytro Bulatov claims he was blindfolded and had nails driven through his hands after being snatched and held for a week
We know about the Odessa massacre, we’ve seen stories about torture and killing in Ukraine, and have seen a long history of this sort of thing from Nazis and many others, with hard evidence of it. There are many videos of such things on the web.
To say that this must be a fake or that it’s discredit Russia is silly — whether this particular story turns out true or not, the general story of these things is well established to be valid.
BTW — you might recall this
At that time my direct commander was Spetz – that was his callsign. National Guard captured him, doused him in gasoline and burned him alive”
This is very consistent with the unspeakable brutality and atrocity recorded in the official war crimes report. … What are the chances that the western corporate news will pick it up like the ISIS beheadings? :/ RIP, brave man
War Crimes Report:
well, I’ve read down the whole list of comments now…and there’s a stupid argument that takes up a third of the page…which is of no interest to me or any other normal person, looking for info about the world…then the rest of the page is taken up by the regular putin bashers…what a waste of time even reading this thread.
Then why waste further time by typing up a comment? I just don’t get it. ;-)
Pffff. Nonsense. Do you really think the soldiers of the Azov regiment(it’s no longer a battalion) would record on camera a crime like this and then upload it to the Internet via Novorussian sources? It’s a forgery, a very bad one – why is the crucifixion so quick? why does the video end when the fire reaches the man? Don’t fall for Russian propaganda.
Azov are decent Ukrainian and European nationalists.
Don’t fall for Russian propaganda.
Azov are decent Ukrainian and European nationalists.
WTF…Surely you jest?
“Decent European Nationalists”. Here we have the true face of EU supporters unveiled. Constantly persecuting and referring to as “Neo-Nazis” any nationalists in their own countries who want freedom and independence from the unelected Commissars in Brussels, while supporting real “Neo-Nazis” in Ukraine in order to help bring it under their control. Yes, clearly from their long list of murder, torture and indiscriminate killing of civilians they are really “decent” people! And I also believe this video is fake. It was probably released to discredit anti-regime sources in a similar way to the “photos” showing MH17 being shot down. You don’t need to rely on fake videos to prove their evil – there are plenty of real ones (burning people alive in Odessa, murdering people in Mariupol, torturing civilians, bodies of civilians kidnapped and murdered at their headquarters etc.). Even Human Rights Watch (a US regime propaganda mouthpiece) have been forced to admit it.
Clearly a provocation to trigger the fighting
Whether you think it is fake or real is unimportant
Important is what people in Donbass think
Probably the war is to start around May 8
There are some observations concerning the video:
1. It utilises obvious symbolism associated with Christian faith (crucifixion)
2. It has some easily observable inconsistencies with the real thing
3. The alleged perpetrators gain no advantage from it.
To me, this looks like black propaganda. To explain the term, black propaganda means something that looks like coming from an adversary, but is poorly put together or makes easily refutable claims. This is then presented by the actual origin of the work as evidence that its adversary lacks credibility and therefore anything that is claimed by that side has to be dismissed without further consideration.
In other words, it is supposed to look like crude Donbass propaganda and intentionally spread into the Russian blogosphere, so that the Western sponsors of the junta, the true origin of the video, can point to it and make people believe that their account of the story is the true one. As a bonus, they can make those who defend the other side look like easily gullible fools or tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists and prevent “true believers” from investigating the “official version”.
Cui bono? The Western “democracies” and their “values”.
The video today on “Publico”´s title page:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/russian-blogosphere-survey-for-april-26.html mentions Colonel Cassad blog with some explanation of the video (“Concerning the crucified militiaman”)
In the Russia Insider piece there is another possibility not said: that efforts to discredit those reporting this is not to hurt therm so much as to hurt the knowledge that these things are happening by creating a fake story as supposedly representative of all such stories, so that investigation and assigned culpability for the atrocities are impeded.
I think, for example, this is the reason behind the stories of the 9/11 towers being destroyed in false flag being the result of ‘alien energy beams’: anyone who questioned the official story was mocked as being one of the ‘conspiracy nuts’ talking about space alien technology.
Why would they crucify the guy when they claim they are also Christian ? Doesn’t make sense.
If there is something that does not make sense then it is your comment, because nobody made that claim you are referring to (also known as the good old “straw man argument”). Even if somebody did it would still be irrelevant, because the point is not whether the perpetrators are Christians. To go further, Christian faith and crucifying other persons are not mutually exclusive.
The actual point being made is Christian symbolism is used. If you look at the connection between the Donbass resistance and their Christian faith it should be fairly easy to grasp how offensive such a deed would be for them and their sympathisers. That is precisely the point, to cause outrage at the targetted audience and prevent them from rationally analysing what is being shown to them.
If pointing out the truth is too powerful a weapon in the hands of your opponent and you cannot stop it by ordinary means, you resort to black propaganda, false flag operations and other strategies of tensions. The goal is to weaken the opponent’s support and make your own inventions and lies appear more convincing (because you “caught” your opponent red-handed with evidence you yourself had fabricated before).
“The actual point being made is Christian symbolism is used”.
That is also what I am saying. But the Donbass resistence is not defined exclusively by its Christianity, but also by its ethnicity, and the whole trouble actually started from there. Also the other side claims to be Christian too.
This is from an older article called “A Brigade In Ukraine Is Fighting For Jesus”, written by Versha Sharma:
“one group of 60 pro-Ukrainian unity fighters in the eastern part of the country is motivated by a love for Jesus Christ. Meet the ‘Hundreds of Soldiers of Christ’, the name written on the flags they bear. They fight as part of the Azov battalion, a paramilitary group of about 300 volunteers active around the southeastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol.”
And this is what their commander, Dmytro Linko, says:
“Our umbrella organization, the Orthodox ‘Brotherhood’, was created more than 13 years ago [Known ultranationalist Dmytry Korchynsky is the leader of the Brotherhood, a de facto leader of the Azov battalion]. After the Euromaidan revolution, we formed a specific military group as part of the Azov, to fight especially with separatists and terrorists.”
The commander seems to have a pretty checkered past, but the group itself is quite big. They say they are Orthodox, but that’s not what’s important, because there are many Orthodox in Ukraine who are not pro-Russian. It wouldn’t be the first time Orthodox fought against Orthodox, or for that matter Catholics against Catholics, or Protestants against Protestants. What matters is that they call themselves Christian and display Christian symbols. And a Christian would never desecrate the holiest symbol of Christianity: the cross. No matter how many other bad things he would do thinking that God is on his side.
Now let’s say that it’s possible that some guys from the Azov bn could be stupid enough to be the authors of this horrible prank; but it would turn against them, because their Christian colleagues will not appreciate it, if only because it would discredit their Christian claims. So that would mean dissension. But then what better patsies than the badly reputed Azov, whether it was done by some of them or done by others.
So personally I would say it was done by somebody who was trying to discredit Christianity. The style is much more in line with what we’ve seen in the movie about the Armenian massacre. Something like what the second commenter describes here:
One can still access the video at TND and InfoWars. Sadly, what I wrote regarding mob-driven censorship has been proven out in the case of this video. See: http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=464835
Saker, you’re welcome to reprint the article.
The News Doctors
Probably real. If not, this is the best acting I’ve ever seen.
Just listen to him scream as the nails go in. Listen to him scream when his groin gets jabbed. Look at his legs as he frantically tries to attack his attacker. This is probably the real deal, folks. People are actually questioning the authenticity because he isn’t screaming enough? Where he’s fainting from pain and probably going into shock, or because his diaphram is collapsing because of the agony and fatigue? Think about it.
This is textbook definition of terrorism. Group wants to intimidate or frighten their audience in order to achieve political goal. That’s probably what they’re thinking. It will scare those who aren’t going to do anything anyway; it will increase the hate and resolve of those who will do something.
You can bet that the Americans are teaching stuff like this, and it’s only the beginning. Anyone familiar with what they did to Indians, in particular, knows what the yankee does. Skinning people alive and force feeding victim their skin strips. Gutting prgnant women and killing her fetus in front of her. This is what they do. Those who participated in the atrocities were rewarded, taught at military acadamies, and have done similar things up to today.
Don’t you dare look away and watch every second of it. Remember what it looks like. Give into your anger and let your hate swell; don’t turn away like a coward. If you want to shit yourself about this being fake, or at least that they aren’t doing stuff like this; then you’ll be spending most of your money on adult diapers. They got this guy, and eventually they’ll come for all of us if they can. What are you going to do about it?
If they want to frighten or intimidate their audience why are they denying they made it ?
Also if they think that ‘it will increase the hate and resolve of those who will do something’ it’s actually counterproductive.
Who is the audience supposed to be? Is it clear?
Maybe it’s supposed to inspire other Nazis?
Or is it a psycho trip for them?
One should not assume too much.
I agree. I think it’s counterproductive non-strategy. Many reasons they’re denying it now. This was not a good idea on their part. Like the US military, Azov has immunity, and when they are able to do anything without punishment, they get sloppy and do stupid things. This is one of them. And when they get caught, they deny everything and accuse someone else of their crime.
It seems pretty clear that they are verbally expressing that they will torture separatists and sympathizers, real or perceived. If they were just torturing for fun, they’d be less likely to do an intro and warn their enemies. They are trying to prevent any kind of resistance from those who, at some point, might resist but are still not doing anything. For those who are doing something, this goes into the “this is why we fight” category.
This generally fits in with their campaign of attacking monuments, intimidating and killing protestors, regime critics, etc.
Is it real or not ? It is real…
This is deviant art of all times, strugle against Christ. This should scare me ? Oh boy, this does not scared me at all. During third balkan war one can see almost everything.
Question. Will this be punished ? It must be, heavily !
I will not turn away and be ignorant . . . I watched the video on another site. It seems readily apparent that the victim was either heavily drugged or else extremely intoxicated. Either of these would explain his pliant demeanor. If this was not the case he certainly would have been resisting strenuously.