by William Spencer for the Saker Blog
I am writing this with a few men and women in mind I corresponded with a few months ago overseas, but I’d like to also share this with a wider audience. I am looking for an opportunity to connect with people in far away places even discover a plan that would allow me to live and work among them in their country, and I’m currently learning Russian. Here are my thoughts:
I recently found on thesaker.is, an interview with Maria Butina
http://thesaker.is/vesti-exclusive-first-full-interview-with-maria-butina-after-release-from-horrific-american-gulag/ This is her first public interview in Russia (spoken in Russian) since her release from her 18 month stay in a US prison.
Although I followed Maria’s imprisonment in alternative news and analysis outlets, I was not aware that her Major as a graduate student was in Foreign Relations. Learning this is encouraging, witnessing Butina express a genuine desire to improve relations between Russians and Americans. She spoke very positively about many Americans as friends who support her and disagree with her treatment, but she clarified that the United States has lost it’s justice system. I agree on all of this.
Perhaps most interesting to me was Maria Butina’s observation that in the United States, Russians typically speak critically of Putin and Russia while speaking positively of the United States, and she noted, that she, unlike her Russian compatriots in the US, never spoke negatively about Russia. I go to a church where there are many international people including a significant number of Russians. It has puzzled me to hear them speak of Putin and Russia as oppressive, but it’s starting to now make sense, that perhaps they speak this way to protect themselves from the FBI, the CIA etc., who were key players in Butina’s imprisonment.
If Putin is an autocrat, as so many people here, American and Russian alike, claim, I have yet to see evidence of it, but I am open to seeing legitimate evidence if there is such evidence. Butina described this anti-Russian sentiment among Russians in America as a pressured disposition, and perhaps her refusal to speak negatively about Russia was the reason she was arrested and sentenced to prison.
But Maria Butina’s story is an inspiration, not for the way she was treated, but as an inspiration for the human spirit as demonstrated by her. She has held onto her values and did not let an unjust imprisonment including months of solitary confinement, destroy her. She did not choose to hate the United States even when she could honestly say from personal experience that the US has lost its justice system and has violated her sovereignty as a result.
Each of us has a background, a spiritual perspective that is unique, a cultural background that is unique, a national perspective that is unique, and many other things that are unique to each of us. But we are all people. The vast majority of the people in the world prefer friendship to hostility, distrust and power exploitation. Maria Butina has spoken for more than just regular Russians or even regular Americans. She has spoken for mutual friendship across borders anywhere. Courage like hers is key to forging peaceful development throughout the world.
I am becoming increasingly concerned as an American about the illegal activities of my government at home and abroad, including an unjust prison/judicial system and intelligence agencies that illegally invade upon the privacy of our own citizens at home and illegal involvement in wars with other countries like Ukraine(2014), Serbia(1999 and broader Yugoslavia earlier in the 1990s), Syria (Obama forward) Yemen (Obama forward) only to name a few(Iraq, libya, Sudan, Somalia, Vietnam, Clambodia, Laos, Korea, the Phillipines, Afghanistan(79, 80s, 2001 to present), Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Columbia, Venezuela…etc., etc.).
I talk with people at home, and I am reaching out to some abroad, not mainly to describe the injustices, but more importantly to work on solutions. It starts with a shared value in the human spirit and the sovereign rights of individuals. And then it involves sitting down to talk in a respectful manner that allows for people to have differences in opinion without having to attack each other for our differences in opinion. It also involves envisioning a different future, perhaps working together and living together.
Even though I am 57 and almost 58 my curiosity and passion move me to learn Russian and to see what possibilities there might be for future visits or perhaps even temporary residency living and working in a country like Russia or Belarus. I don’t want to turn on my country, but I want to think outside of the box and I want the freedom to say that my leaders have turned on me and my people and be able to say that without fear of retribution.
We all live under imperfect governments that sometimes may support our effort to draw a common
purpose and sometimes may fight our efforts for such. As always whenever a government genuinely promotes partnerships between different peoples and between countries, without selecting one race or group over another, it usually is a good thing. However, too many times a government has gone to aid a revolution in the name of “human sovereignty” and proved to be motivated instead by power over the country in question with no regard whatsoever to human sovereignty. I already mentioned of few.
And speaking the truth does not imply a lack of patriotism toward one’s country, even if the person is criticizing his/her own country. I find the idea of standing up to power quite chilling, but I don’t know if it can be avoided if I (we) truly want change.
The strategy of the corruptly powerful is to divide us and conquer us. It is to make you and me enemies. By putting us against each other they try to put us up to do their dirty work for them. So I feel it is of utmost importance that we spend time getting to know each other enough to build trust, so we can resist with all of our might ever being turned against each other.
I am an advocate of international exchange and Foreign Relations. I feel that we lack understanding of other people because we lack contact and interaction with other people. I am looking for a way to break out of the American experience for long enough to refresh my perspective on the world. I grow weary of the raised voices and dramatic depictions in daily discourse here. I constantly have to dig deeper to find ideas of value for they are so lacking in the mainstream.
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The problem is on the US side that has an ideological hatred for Russia. Everyone I know, in the US, hates Putin. The reasons they hate him are all the reasons of American propaganda and not genuine reasons. Reasons like why Chubais still runs in government, why US fast food spreads, but domestic companies were left to suffer. Why infrastructure never gets fixed unless foreign media points a finger at it and laughs. The pension reform was another big complaint. Putin’s friends get all the infrastructure contracts is another heard. These are domestic complaints about him and belong with Russia. Russia doesn’t arrest people arbitrarily around the world, they don’t bother anyone. Russia’s domestic policy is of no concern to an American. As for Americans, they are deeply involved in Everyone’s business and it affects everyone so they are interested.
“It has puzzled me to hear them speak of Putin and Russia as oppressive, but it’s starting to now make sense, that perhaps they speak this way to protect themselves from the FBI, the CIA etc., who were key players in Butina’s imprisonment.”
The people who come to the US even to this day do not think of this. Though they believe in the goodness of America despite what goes on. They don’t like because everyone around them is this way, in the US.
Moving to Russia to improve relations? It won’t do anything as that’s not where the problem lies. You will find Russians to be realists and that they don’t hate Americans. They have KFC, Burger King, Papa Johns, and tons of other American goods. Mondelez, Proctor and Gamble have bought even the local brands. You will find Russians would do nothing of the sort as is done by the US unto Russians. There are even women in Moscow are dying their hair Purple just like the American women.
I think people should visit Russia, but it is because their ideas about Russia are so warped they are distanced from Reality. Going there, they will realized the truth that they are just like you. They have their differences and own culture, but they go about life just trying to raise families (Just like anyone else).
What the US did to Maria Butina is just plain AWFUL and was a terrible human rights abuse. She was raised up in Russia, under pro US education that the 90’s brought. She got her reality check and it is unfortunate. Her pain won’t be the last either.
Awesome dispaly of respect shown by US MMA fighters in Moscow this past week. Even the sportsmanship displayed by the fighters, US and Russian, was nice to see and thier praise of the city…………..for US citizens, anyways, it was nice to see and hear, hopefully they bring the message home stateside.
Google ‘Steven Seagal,’ who is training partner with Putin. Lot’s of videos on Youtube of these two showing their stuff, and being best of friends.
Steven Seagal is an AIKIDO master, and Putin is a Judo master.
Putin is of course a renaissance man, and much of USA today is feces, drugs, and degeneracy.
Now ask again, Why does the USA hate Russia?
BUTINA warmed up to the martial arts people of the USA, tactical firearm people, She’s a hero. She’s a post-girl (For Real)
Butina is everything a woman is not supposed to be in the USA.
Everyone of the zionist-left, e.g. neo-liberals hate Putin, cuz he messed up their punchbowl.
All I have to do is mention ‘russia’ or putin to a westcoast liberal feminist jewish lesbian and they foam at the mouth, these are the same people that 30+ years ago were viva-la-revolution.
It’s a pavlovian trigger.
One thing you missed is that BUTINA had embraced the right-wing gun culture of the USA, as a “LIFE Member of the NRA”, I can see this; its like the old story right-wing conservative men in USA have more in common with muslim men that most realize. ( When I say Muslim, I’m talking ordinary persian or arab men that love their familys, I’m not talking wahhabi/zionist pedophiles )
I think we all agree that PUTIN is opposed to pedophilia, and degeneracy in general, and this drives the left crazy.
So BUTINA represents the right-wing, so called reactionarys, or neandrathals, funny she traveled all over the USA and hooked up with the NRA, and did talks and became famous, and the left-wing anti-gun people went nuts and had her sent to prison.
Remember TRUMP is anti-gun, Trump paid for Hillary to be Senator in NY after BIll finished his two terms, TRUMP&CLINTON are pals.
When you label large groups of people as stupid unthinking knee-jerk reactors, you do two things. One: you make any meaningful discourse with any of those people unlikely or impossible. This contributes to the polarization that impedes forward motion, and to the general hostility that is growing in our country. Two: you identify yourself as an unthinking knee-jerk reactor, because clearly you cannot have given careful thought to anything members of said groups may have said.
I am afraid that it is you that has erred. There are large groups of people who are ignorant of the manipulations carried out both by the media and their lapdogs, the politicians. It is this ignorance that makes them ‘knee-jerk reactors’, and that has been imbedded within their logic for almost half a century.
My father had a saying; “I see said the blind man who never saw before”, but the problem with much of the Western culture is that they still cannot see, they still cannot comprehend and they still cannot use logic and reason, for such tools of intelligence have never been given to them, but instead they have their media and their ‘idiot box’.
And again Eve, when you accuse another of; “Two: you identify yourself as an unthinking knee-jerk reactor, because clearly you cannot have given careful thought to anything members of said groups may have said” you are displaying the very same ignorance you have accused Mortimer of.
In fact, had Mortimer behaved in the manner of your accusation, in that “you cannot have given careful thought to anything members of said groups may have said” then he would never have been able to arrive at the conclusion that he had reached.
Ugh says, “Everyone I know, in the US, hates Putin.”
This perpetuates, and aids and abets a ridiculous narrative that Americans in general hate Russia as some sort of organic defect in their DNA or something…and that it will ever and FOREVER….be so.
It has NOT been so in the past but time does not allow the Revolutionary War and US Civil war Russophilia and friendship to be detailed here.
Contrary to what many repeat somewhat thoughtlessly here, it is hardly true of the present either ………and I predict…such a premise.will be a laughingly absurd and false proposition, and recognized by a very many people all over the world..as broken chains of CIA MI-6 Mind Control………in the next decade……if we do our work more intelligently……instead of getting ensnared in the Empire’s Divide and Conquer Belief Matrix.
Many here desire the cozy comfort and comraderie of other persons suffering from this same delusion regarding “all Americans I know” or some other nonsense……motivated by disgust at the Russophobic propaganda of the MSM…..but at root falling victim to its Belief Matrix.….all the while stroking their own egos as to how comparatively “enlightened” they are!
Their major motivation…it seems to me!
It’s SO transparent. And laughable, if it were not unconsciously serving The Empire.
Americans do not en masse hate and fear Russia AT ALL!
A small clique of Neocon Cold Warriors hate Russia and fear Russia as THE major obstacle to their Empire Master’s Drive For Global Hegemony. The Presstitutes of the MSM serve those thugs and too many stupid idiots swallow whatever the Idiot Box tells them.
However, there are TENS of millions of OTHER Americans that consciously resist this mind control………..and their numbers are growing.
Help those numbers grow………….instead of profiling ALL Americans as genetically defective imbeciles.
You could say there was widespread fear during the Old Cold War….during a more palpable Period of Empire Strategy of Tension. But even older people are learning to be less mind controlled than they were during the Cuban Missile Crisis…..and many are questioning things …even that far back.
Among people that think about ANY serious subjects at all, that is.
Stating fact of my own experience is not aiding and abetting. That experience has been that everyone I know hates him. I didn’t say hate Russia. So you are reading more into it than what I said. It has been a similar experience, of others I know, who came here to the US. As for many Americans as individuals, they show an intrigue in Russia itself and are generally pretty kind. Their level of anti Putin depends on the political spectrum that they are from. Propaganda works and it is a fact. That’s why those in power engage in it. That’s also why I stated they should travel to Russia, in my comment. (I only seem negative to the author’s wishes to live in Russia to improve relations because that’s not where the problem lies). I still think he should go so he will have personal experience to work from.
I am actually glad you feel the way you do, it means you would be motivated to change that and it bothers you how things are. I never profiled Americans as imbeciles, you said that. And that is something all countries have in supply. :))) We don’t have power to change tides at national level, but amongst our own communities. Then when our communities come together, that is when real change can happen.
Butina, like Gorbachev (being generous) and numerous others are fools in believing that the USA represents those ideals that it constantly brays about, when it does not. As Gerald Celente said pithily on Max Keiser today, China does trade, the USA does war. ‘War’ of course is wrong-Thanatopia does massacre, genocide and destruction, and doesn’t really relish a fair fight.
That is a most terrible cut; almost as bad as that of Brutus to Caesar.
Butina, has always displayed honesty and an appreciation for the NRA, which is based upon the 2nd Amendment. Gorbachev was always a traitor to Russia as he was always the West’s inside man, and even worse than Benedict Arnold.
And may I add that there are many Americans who do not believe in their Corporation masters who have sacked and looted not only America, or the Western countries, but the entire world as demonstrated what they did once they held Yeltsin by the balls. And of course you must remember what those same corporations did to Australia once their minions, Hawke and Keating came to power.
I never get Mulga is he the devils advocate here, or does he really believe what he writes?
Is it better to ignore him, or respond to his misinformed mythology? Is he just trolling people too young to know of Gorby?
Butina is a young beautiful woman, we have no idea of whom sponsored her long-term vacation in the USA,she is a modern day (Tocqueville) “Democracy in America”, I’m sure she’ll write a book about the America of Trump. She’ll tell the wonderful story of heartland America, and its gulag prison industrial complex ran by hypocrites in Wash-DC.
Gorby was an old washed out flim-flam man that allowed all Russia to be sold at auction by the Zionists to the highest bidder.
How on earth can anybody conflate the female child Butina to the geriatric monster Gorbachev? Maybe Ronny Raygun, maybe he comes closest to this line of thinking?? That are American’s are ‘FREE’ because they have 31 flavors of ice-cream. Ronny loved Gorby, just like he loved Al-CIA-Duh.
I thought I knew Mulga as a fellow I have sparred with for twenty years, but his syntax has changed somewhat. It doesn’t really matter as that person would be nie on 90 years of age now. Mulga has mentioned his aunt in Sydney with the numbers tattooed on her arm, and other little details which may suggest to what he is, but there can be no doubt that he is extremely well informed on a variety of topics.
You have mentioned Ronald Regan, and if you remember Ronnie was the target of an attempted assassination on his 69th day in office, but it wasn’t John Hinckley who was the assassin, but rather another of Bush’s “buddies” on the first floor of the motel where the shooting took place. Hinckley used detonator or exploding bullets while the shot that almost killed Regan was a sabot that entered under the left armpit whilst Regan was waving to the crowd. This is the reason why Regan dismissed the secret service crew with him and brought in a naval contingent to protect him. And virtually from that time Regan let his Vice make all the decisions rather than risk another assassination. Have a guess who it was that fired that sabot?
Now Bill Harvey, James Angleton’s 2IC witnessed a SAS team at work in Berlin in the 1950’s, and in 1961 moved to have that team seconded to the CIA. In the JFK assassination, in one of the photographs of the motorcade outside the TSBD you would be able to identify Mulga except for the blob of red paint over his face. However he is easily identifiable holding onto LHO’s shirt outside the Texas Theatre. Then note the gunman shooting LHO in the police garage and especially note the grip of the revolver with the index finger running along the barrel.
That SAS team consisted of Mulga or Ari ben Menashe who resides in Sydney or so he claims, Henry Ayes of Alaska who passed away about 10 years ago, and was known as Alexander Henri Legault, and also identified as CIA by Gordon Thomas in 2001. Then there was ‘Blackie’ aka Johannes Overbeeke of South Africa, who deemed it necessary to migrate to South Australia once Nelson Mandela came to power in South Africa. In November 1963, Overbeeke played the role of Officer William Joseph Harrison of the Dallas Police Department. In fact, the person I believed was Mulga had always been Poppy Bush’s main hit-man and that is the main reason why Mulga is so well informed.
Mulga has an axe to grind ever since they retired him. He is over 80yrs old. These posts are like confessions to a priest by a sinner blaming those who previously employed him for all the worlds evils.
Gorby was a pragmatist not a agent of the west. He and his people understood the old ways were not working or viable and things had to change. He betrayed the CCCP not Russia itself. Stalin thru Brehznev didnt know how to manage things properly nor was the latter allowed to. The CCCP in fact was a failure on the domestic economy – needed to go.
Celente is also a “Karate Master”, not unlike our PUTIN Judo Master.
It’s funny how the people who are real, know how to fight, and don’t fear zionists.
It’s not really this simple even 100 years ago “The business of USA was business”, meaning the corporations and their profits comes first, over all else.
China is just beginning to rise, and has brought virtually the entire country from poverty to middle class in 30+ years. Not bad.
USA is/was 50 years ahead of China in creating the middle class, and USA is now falling like Icarus back to earth.
Who is to say what China will do in the future, once it has no opposition?
China now has South-America, and Africa it BUYS it, doesn’t steal it, but how long? Will this trend continue? When there are no other buyers? With no competition China may very well set the price to near zero, which in effect would be little different that United Fruit has done in Central America from day one.
Gorbachev sold out his country to zionism, they gave him a place in sanfrancisco (the-presidio) after he destroyed russia for the zionists.
I can remember Celente giving talks 40 years ago at leftists meetings, and his message is still pretty much the same.
Agree Mulga– the whole system is nothing a worldwide big business racket.
You forgot to include the fact North Korea & Cuba were set up as regional devils to keep the need for $ trillion defense budgets going. Iran manipulated so too. Thats why Kim got educated in Switzerland.
But it is a racket that advance technology, creates jobs etc…. same as in centuries past & the ancient world.
There is nothing new under the Sun.
so who paid for butina’s year long extended vacation? she was sponsored by somebody who?
Then she discovered the right-wing gun ppl and hung with them? Because that was her emotional anchor or her target?
The question begs to be asked about who financed her
Then the FBI persuaded her to spy on right-wing ppl per there ‘get trump ‘ agenda
She was obviously somebody’s agent from the start, because she has the stone will of a well trained spy since youth
Lot’s of people travel in the USA, but not many are approached by the FBI, which means they had been watching her all along
This is one of those who-dun-it thrillers that could have gone any which way, … all that is missing is the murder
I don’t ‘CUBA’ was setup, knew too many people, heard too many of there storys’
CUBA got stolen post Spanish War, the Jewish Mob made it into their whorehouse offshore of Florida, the Cubans revolted and eventually the MAFIA was ran out, and they created Las-Vegas. Too suggest that ‘somebody’ created the whorehouse and then shut it down as a ‘devil’ is twisted.
It’s exactly as it appears, the USA via the Jewish Mafia did bad to those people, they finally got a leader Castro, and a sponsor Russia that ridded them of the filth. Then the Jew Mob created a new mecca right in USA, but close enough to Hollywood, but far enough that the land was cheap. By the 1980’s the Jew mob had lost Vega and the Mormons took ownership, so that didn’t even end well. Today guys like Sheldon Adelson ( trumps financeer ) own whorehouses all over the world.
North Korea was bombed into the stone age in 1950’s, Kim is what the third child to inherit the kingdom, just another monarchy. He got a good education? Why not, the best way to fight the zio-nazi’s to to be educated as one.
Nobody setup Cuba or North Korea, they’re two examples of places that refused to be controlled by the zio-anglo-nazi banking system.
Like many Russians and Eastern Europeans, she was obsessed with West and America as promised land, utopia fairy tale beyond imagination …
Now she is disappointed. OK she is not the only one. But she has got what she wanted.
I do not trust her. She intended to stay forever in her american utopia and to find rich husband. Those women from Eastern Europe think that rich billionaires in America grow on trees.
And I met Russians in the WEST that talk against Russia and Putin. Actually they do that because they are scared. They see anti-Russian hysteria and do what they think will protect them.
They are wrong.
Butina thought that travel broadens the mind, well her mind was most definitely broadened by her time served in a US jail, so she did get what she wanted. Much like those liberal females there in Europe all welcoming the “rapefugees”, those females are also getting what they wanted.
Your first point is most definitely correct, but your second point missed the bull by a large degree. I do not think Butina ever wanted to be incarcerated, but she has learnt the differences between a freedom understanding country that is from where she came, and a totalitarian communist country, that being the USA.
And as for those ‘European’ females welcoming the “rapefugees”, well such ignorants are not usually the victims of those crimes but rather the innocent and trusting.
But then I recall what a Soviet dissident, who was finally able to flee the USSR stated once he truly saw the USA; “Everything they (the USSR) told us about the USSR was a lie, but everything they told us about America was true.”
I think that Butina now understands that.
William I hear your call.
I think there is something deeper underneath this seemingly sudden outburst of antipathy towards Russia. Not just in the US but spread like a contagion across the West and infecting pretty much any country that allies itself with the “west”.
It is a bit facile to just blame the MSM because saying MSM does not explain why so ubiquitous and why so recently. So yes, the MSM is a shameless purveyor of propaganda fed to it by the ruling powers, but people somehow became rather receptive to it where in the past some segments of society would at least display some healthy resistance.
It is possible that several anti-enlightenment forces came together coincident in time. Like the rise of the uber-woke and the rise of Russia as a leader of the resistance to Empire, even as the signs of the decline for the Empire became all too visible.
It is possible but it is also more likely that there was some other element that has been acting as lubricator to spread anti-Russian sentiment far and wide. An element that may have something to do with the reason nearly the entire MSM, bar none, fell captive to the Muh Russia meme, almost overnight.
I think this requires some serious thought, which cannot be just right vs left, or religious/spiritual vs atheist/godless or East vs west and other such theme, each of which just serve to frame the problem but do explain it, even in combination.
I have my ideas and am sure others have theirs. I am not sure however that it is safe to air these ideas, so will leave it there, as a question mark.
Very interesting commentary. I agree that the re must be something more to this than can be explained by a corrupted MSM, but I cannot define it clearly. I would appreciate it if you could elaborate more.
I’ll reply to you since you asked, though I’d like to keep my own opinion, speculative as I cannot offer any definitive proof (lucky for me).
Two possible factors come to mind:
1. The obvious one – Israel and its countless tributaries around the [western] world. But it’s not a simple scenario by any means as those who participate in the full spectrum propaganda circuit often have no idea what they are part of and why.
This flows from my own reading of israel’s behind-the-scene players. Those players are not stupid – they can see the writing on the wall which point to Russia as THE ultimate threat to israel’s long-term goal of survival as a permanent occupation state. They understand very well that Russia under Putin played and is playing an extremely smart game, both in turning the sanctions into a blessing and in becoming a power to contend with in the Middle east. The israelis know first hand the value of those new weapons developed in Russia and they see the enormous technical progress made on that front. The many Israelis who hail from Russia do know that once the Russians “get their act together” they will be an extremely serious adversary (in truth they already are. Just ask Iran and Syria – which are still standing). Right now the Russians are engaged in a chess game with the kurds as pions. Some see the moves and some don’t.
So this speaks to the motivation – some time ago – likely at around 2011 when the Arab spring gave it cover, the movers and players started establishing their positions on the information front. yes, I know it kind of started with Iraq but in 2001-2003, Putin was just getting his adminitration’s act together, gathering his/their own pieces. So it was not the time for an all-out confrontation, or, for that matter – putting a heavier foot on the scale. So there was a head-start for the globalist players (with whom israel’s movers and shakers – not the same as the population) are aligned. There was a 10 year period for acquiring, consolidating, parsing and penetrating the information organs of the west. In putting forth this model, I did not look for anyone strictly jewish or some such. Neither would I assume that everyone turned zionist overnight. Far from it, some of the best propaganda campaigns – the ones aiming straight at Russia – are actually coming from the anti-zionist left, who usually have no idea they were co-opted and will deny that to kingdom come.
By 2011, as the Arab Spring broke out, many of the pieces were in place and the campaign against Syria started 9and not just Syria! there was a plan for iran too, which didn’t work, and a plan for Ukraine, which was going to take some time). If one were to go back to the news stories and the way they were distorted right from the beginning about those uprisings in Syria, it’ll become apparent that there was a co-ordinated campaign (an aside: I’ve always suspected that “gay girl in Syria” hoax to have been the first shot-across-the-bow. Like a signal, to see how good propaganda can work through the social media, using gullible, easily duped, well-meaning lefty commenters. I did say so at the time – not under this name, of course).
The Syrian playbook was supposed to culminate in the fall of Assad, sometime by 2014, around the time Ukraine gambit would be put into play. Assad and his army uppended these plans by surviving into 2015, which is when Russia felt ready to finally step in (they were not ready in 2014, bpartly because of the need to keep the Sochi Olympics going well. That’s why maidan happened when it did).
If you recall the Russia villifying propaganda in the lead-up to Sochi, I think it’s easy to see that the information campaign was already in full bloom.later we were seeing the olympic doping spectacle which saw Russia banned from flying its own colors in 2016.
To have all this happen all at once there had to have been some “guiding hands”. I happen to believe those hands stretch back to israel, a country that has all the necessary IT and security tools and has been weapomnizing social media for far longer than people realize.
Why Israel and not the CIA? simple – because I know what Israel is capable of. I know first hand the talent pool, the strength of the ideology, the commitment, and the moral blindness. I do not underestimate them. Among other things they have long ago penetrated parts of the CIA, the NSA and likely every other western intelligence arm. They can direct things without seeming to direct. It’s not for nothing that alumni of unit 8200 are absolutely everywhere. And unlike the CIA/deep state, which only has a simple-minded plan of “keeping the Empire going for a little while longer”, the israel affiliated powers behind the scenes, the ones who know, and the ones who just suspect, have a detailed planned with highly specific goals. Which goals require the Empire to remain standing – at least for now.
An aside: I happen to think that there were many Israeli-originated people in certain places who got a good laugh at Snowden’s revelations. That’s because they realized how far behind the NSA was in the development of its tools. If Snowden revealed something really dangerous to them, he would not now be enconced in a pretty comfortable exile in Russia.
2. The second arm of the propaganda war leads through the economic powers that be. But that is where the story gets even more complicated because on this battlefront, the global elite players have to be brought into play. yes, the ones who keep the shadow banking going and the huge deriviatives overhang. the ones who came up with the brilliant schemes of QE and now, negative interest rates. The players from this side do have some overlap with the ones from #1 above but it’s a partial overlap at best.
But it gets complicated and I already exceeded my own time alottement. Besides, who has patience for so much speculation without some juicy finger pointing?
PS yes, I am an aficionado of Asimov’s Foundation series. I think there may well be people around who took some of it as a blueprint. Sometimes i wonder whether Trump, other than being a bit of an inside joke, serves the purpose of Mule 1.0
PPS posting without re-reading. Sorry for all typos etc.
Most excellent surmise of CIA vs Mossad strategy, but what does this have to do with BUTINA??
I agree that 8200 are the dude’s “Weaponized Autism”, Qanon, 8CH, 4CH
Snowden, Assange, … none of them touch Israel, not even the HRC stolen democrats touch Israel, which has to make you ask, just maybe “Israel” is the source of all the sanitized leaks. Make everyone on earth look like a moron, except the Zionist overlords.
“By Way of Deception, we shall wage war” – Motto of the Mossad.
It’s funny in Israel bikini clad girls carry uzi-submachine guns on the beach, but Israel wants to disarm the GOY in USA. I think BUTINA was just an agent that fell in love with her target (USA gun culture ).
I realize that my [overly] lengthy comment does not seem to have much to do with Butina. Except it does, even if in a peripheral way. Butina was viewed as a convenient play piece on the board. I happen to believe (though can’t offer proof) that there was, in fact, a larger plan for her. that her getting in with the NRA was part of the plan and that she was supposed to go further with it than she did. So Butina, as an individual, stepped in it, I think, not realizing she was being used.
What this speculation implies however is something I have seen no one proposed. Whoever it was that decided to throw the book at her when they did (and you should ask – why then?) actually did her a favor. In a way, she was “extracted” before the damage got too deep. Sure, she may not feel this way, having spent time in prisons and having been effectively “thrown to the wolves”. But somewhere along the way she got “rescued” and was returned to Russia. If this scenario is correct then only very few people understand what really happened (way way under the surface). At least some of them are in Russia. A few in israel. Perhaps 2 or 3 in the US.
So what i am saying is that we are all watching a shadow play, even as the real moves happen in another dimension. In any case, i think it’s mistake to entertain too simple an explanation for the butina case. You may think it’s all about disarming the US population. But my shadow players really don’t take them too seriously, the gun owners of America. They don’t take them seriously because they know these people on the American “Right”, the many libertarians who walk lock step with them, the sympathizers across the land, cannot become united before they are scattered every which way. The ideology of “allegiance to the constitution” is too thin to give sterength to a mass movement. They are too easily separated into enclaves and marginalized. So, no, though you may see the zionist ideology as your enemy, they do not take you seriously enough to actually be your enemy.
Sorry, that’s how THEY view it – from OVER THERE. Again, I know what I am talking about as I read them and hear them enough to discern the signal from the noise. But then, i am not a sentimentalist on any level.
PS you are wrong about Snowden and Assange. I think you may want to consider the possibility that not so much was disclosed about Israel’s nefarious deeds in the background, because those deeds were neither visible to someone at Snowden’s leve; nor disclosed, to, say, Wikileaks. Snowden knew about some spiffy intelligence tools. The ones the US was using. He did not know what the Israelis were using behind the scenes, because his own agencies didn’t. So he could only access just parts visible above ground, where there was at least some collaboration with the NSA.
And Assange simply did not receive certain kinds of information from those quarters. Please consider the possibility that Israel has far fewer consciencious whistleblowers. Even the ones who disagree with israel’s policy will not betray the crown jewels, because ….tribal ties are stronger than conscioussness itself, and therefore conscience.
Well thanks, you covered a lot of ground.
First your point, I agree that BUTINA was a on a mission, I agree that she was over her head and needed to be rescued. I really do think they ‘through the book at her’ to set an example. I think her mission was to find an Achilles Heal in the various gun groups, or maybe worse even to be part of some kind of tragic ‘Russian Invasion led by the NRA” like Las-Vegas or worse, a narrative often rumored by anti-gun acolytes that Russia controls the USA right wing. What better than have a Russian Poster-Girl as the NRA’s mascot.
The Militia: I never covered the ground about ‘owning guns’ was going to make anybody free, I never suggested that any gun-owners were going take USA back from the Zionists. USA is too drugged out, and too lazy, and too fearful to anything other than click the remote on their TV Set.
I spent a lot of time with the highest levels of the gun crowd in the USA, and I can say that most are pro-cop, pro-military and pro-zionist, and christian-zion to boot. So the PTB have no fear of these people, they ain’t going to do anything.
It’s only been in the most recent past ten years that Israel overtook the USA in INTEL, having moved HQ for Intel & Google to Israel, and having CS types like say 8200 (Israel High-Tech Spy Military) graduates have infiltrated every advanced computer center on earth and send the crown-jewels back home to Tel-Aviv.
I also agree on tribal consciousness, my Jewish friends are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, but all would come to assist a fellow brother. It’s too sad the GOY don’t think this way.
The ‘Gun Thing’ in the USA is very complicated. I spent much of my life in the political aspect of gun crowd, every anti-gun club, gun-control of america, hand-gun control going all the way back to 1960’s all were founded by high-level Jewish lawyers. But there are also right-wing Jewish groups in the USA that support gun ownership for all.
Let’s remember here that in Israel, everybody can have a machine gun if they’re Jewish, so this entire narrative of Guns are dangerous is BS.
Nobody is going to form a militia and take down the USA GOV, the way its going to end is that the USA goes broke, the USD becomes worthless, cops & military start stealing from the civilians, just like any 3rd world country, as soon as the cops quit getting a pay-check, they become a gang. First week they take an inventory of property, second week they come and take valuables.
Deagel Report in 2007 said by 2025 that the USA population is -80%, the young will have moved on for jobs, and old die from natural causes as they can’t afford medical treatment.
Owning guns might help a guy in the woods, but the first season the deer will be extinct.
In the coming years it will not be safe to be near the USA, my advice if you haven’t already is get the hell out.
It’s ubiquitous because the United States, a ruthless empire, controls the media in its vassal states, which include European and South American countries. I occasionally read Portuguese newspapers, being a Portuguese Canadian, and I can tell you it’s not much different than the corporate media in the US. There’s one paper in which this “journalist” writes a weekly article dedicated to demonizing Russia, specifically Putin. He’ll accuse Russia of anything his imagination can come up with. In one piece he accused Russia of being behind the separation movement in Catalonia. Do I actually think he believes what he writes? No, he’s just doing what he’s paid to do.
Speaking of ubiquitous and sudden, what about world governments making LGBT “rights” a priority? What about Kids being taught that they can choose their gender? What about the movement to force countries to have open borders, to accept undocumented immigrants? What about the demonization of white heterosexual males? Is this happening in Russia?
This woman is not a hero. She is obsessed with gun culture. How good can she be? There are far more people who are spiritually and morally deserving of praise and recognition. Not someone like her obsessed with the West and the right to kill. If only Assange had her luck to be released.
“I think there is something deeper underneath this seemingly sudden outburst of antipathy towards Russia.”
Antipathy towards Russia seems to meander, or gravitate towards Fascism, the inclination towards fascism. Bolshevism was antipathy to Russia in another form. Westernization is also in Russia.
Chatting to the lady at the supermarket check-out today, (UK) not about Russia, but about the general level of increased tension and aggression everywhere, we were of the same mind. People feel and experience this.
We need more depth of understanding for this, and I think as many as possible need to act now, to create awareness of this, and to promote and support ways of establishing human relations and beat the divide and conquer power of evil
Russophobia is the new antisemitism.
I think that you mean to say the opposite – that to be russophobe is politically correct stance, but the be described as “russophil” amounts to the same a being antisemite…
In the west its “COOL” to be anti-russian, even mandated.
To be anti-semtic, e.g. tell truth about Zionism, or even discuss say Palestine is a crime.
I don’t think that the Russians have the Chutzpah to call anti-Russian as anti-semitism, but I guess if you repeat it enough, and OWN your own HASBARA in Israel, you could pull it off :)
Jealousy, Russians are smarter, better educated and happier than most Americans. Russians are better informed, being educated they understand. They also understand that the USA is a failed state. The people in the USA have no idea they live in a dystopia.
I travel to both places, in the USA I see feces and drug addicts wondering the streets, I don’t see this in Russia, or anywhere on the Asian Continent.
Lastly, 99% of the American’s don’t travel, and all they know is 70 years of programming by TV & Movies, remember almost all the bad guys are Russian in Western movies. Especially action movies.
Hey every body needs an enemy, otherwise the USA people might revolt, so the political class can say “We’re protecting you from Russia”.
A most timely comment. And thank You, Merlin2, for not at once lambasting everone and everything with whatever Your primary notions for the russophobia of recent years were all about.
My own hunch is that modern russophobia cot started by the Bits and City of London shareholders in the late 1830s just as the Crimean War was immaculately conceived. But of course going back tho The Great Schism from around the year 1060.
Also something to do with changing primary long-distance trade routes in The Old World around 650, 1140, 1460-1550, 1830-80 and 2019.
Not blaming the MSM for the spread of the contagion……..hmm. OK, it’s spreading outside the USA, who owns the damn MSM, worldwide? Who controls the dissemination of ‘the’ information (education)? Who gets to control the ‘deplatforming’? Rocket science it ain’t! Any group, country, people or person who points out that the Apartheid shithole speads it’s missery far and wide to all who refuse to accept it’s Genocide of Palestine get destroyed. Living in self induced bubbles doesn’t change that reality……………it’s all about the occupation!
The vilification of Russia or any other country is all about money issues and resources – read the book The Causes of War. Russia does not want to hold US$ or Euros for any great length of time and both Europe, and to a lesser extent their running dog the US, have depleted most of their resources. Hence the EU push east – in 1812 with Napoleon and 1941 with Adolf – and it appears another attempt is in the pipeline.
Iran is another similar perceived demon.
In short it would appear they have run out of money – ie backing for those currencies – or close to it. One way to get real wealth is to provoke a war, win it and demand a reparation (aka France 1870).
Hillary backers believe Russia interfered with their proxy in the 2016 election is another reason.
Most of the US media outlets are owned controlled by defense contractors or banks controlled from EU who have a vested interested to push this agenda.
Russia represents freedom whilst those in the once free west are now being oppressed.
It is because Russia is not under the control of the EU elites it most be attacked.
Things will only come to a head but fortunately Putin and his people are a force to be reckoned with and at best the anti-Russia forces can only end in stalemate. Its one reason why Hillary and anyone like her should never be allowed to hold office,
I believe that you may have seen something many of us have not. I also think that you have joined some dots.
Too many people look at various ‘incidents’ separately, but if taken in context those incidents form a pattern and demonstrate a Modus Operandi that normally should not be there. For example, if we look at the various ‘gun massacres’ that erupted in 1987, with two in Melbourne Victoria and another (Michael Ryan) in England there appears to be no link. In fact the English massacre led to firearm restriction laws in the UK, but the Hawke federal government were unable to usurp the State powers in regard to firearms. Then there were the gun massacres in Aramoana in New Zealand and the Strathfield massacre in NSW, but again the Hawke federal government were unable to usurp the State powers.
Things changed in 1996 with the school massacre in Dunblane and then the Port Arthur Massacre, followed shortly by the American Columbine school massacre, and the ‘Anti-Gun’ crowd and MSM all pushed for a World wide ban on firearms, In Australia there were two more attempts at gun massacres, the East Melbourne Abortion Clinic shooting and the Monash University shooting, but both of these were stopped by the sacrificial lambs tackling the gunman.
And of course there were also the various school massacres in both Canada and America, along with the German school massacre in Erfurt in 2002 and then the Beslan school massacre in 2004. And the overall Modus Operandi for all of these events remained, although there were some evolution as the events continued.
Now there are many other ‘events’ that demonstrate planning and continued modus operandi with one of the more important incidents with 911 almost forgotten; the death of the former FBI agent, the Security Officer on his first day of duty at the twin towers, John P O’Neill.
So let’s go back and consider Butina. Could it be that Russia has now started to be pro-active within America again? I have no doubt the Russia has continually maintained a very sophisticated intelligence system within the US, and considering the unlawful act by the US government in the dealings with Russian embassies etc, that perhaps Russia is reciprocating in some ways to the US interference within the Russian sphere.
It does appear to be moving in an interesting manner. Well spotted Merlin!
Spencer’s essay on Maria Butina sounds a new note in U$ politics, a soft note of friendship and reconciliation — though not lacking in courage to stand up for one’s opinions. Butina and Putin are making their mark along with other Russian spokespeople who set a good example and behave well on the world stage because each one of them knows, “I represent Russia”.
I do not think that Russians in the US speak bad of Russia mainly because they are scared. If they would be scared, I would expect mostly silence instead of bad-mouthing. However, I think that many expatriates speak bad of their countries of origin, because they have to self-justify their move abroad over-and-over again.
Spot on. A friend of mine who moved to England years ago is against immigration now. And I don’t think she moved there in appreciation of William Blake or GGN Lord Byron. We’d sell everything – ancestors, their blood and tears, family, history, country, everything that makes us who we are for a ducat gold. Long live our only God and saviour – the ducat!
I have followed as much as I could find about Maria Butina since her early release from US prison and return to Russia. She strikes me as an up-front person, freewheeling, perhaps naive, but I bow to her strength of character, holding up through the extended period of solitary confinement. From everything I have seen or heard, she is committed to staying away from politics and, in particular, the politics of her ordeal in the US. According to US news reports (e.g. Reuters), she was convicted for “conspiring to influence U.S. conservative activists and infiltrate a powerful gun-rights group.” What a crock. “Influence” to what purpose? “Infiltrate” when gun-advocacy groups in the US are open to anyone who wants to join? — But there is still the question of whether she is really politically innocent, in the sense that even now she does not know how and why she was targetted by the FBI, or whether she now knows something she may not have known initially, but she is under advice to not speak? After all, speaking as a Russian about what she may now know would or could be construed to constitute infererence in internal US politics. On the other hand, others, who are not Russians, might address what Butina may know, but not because she might know it, instead because it sheds light on the truth of US politics.
In that vein, I refer to research published at The Conservative Treehouse. One article provides basic background, https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/25/fisa-virus-maria-butina-released-from-federal-prison-for-immediate-deportation/. Saker-readers will have to wade through some introductory ignorance by the author, one “sundance”, who is himself obviously anti-Russian and who apparently believes Russia needed or wanted Butina to establish contacts to help Russia work out a de-dollarization scheme to work around US sanctions. “Sundance” derives these rediculous “insights” from Butina’s contact, one Patrick Byrne, ex-CEO of the Overstock company, and a friend of William Buffet. Byrne, Sundance and the FBI agree on one thing: it was legitimate to brand Butina as a foreign agent. And that is where the story gets interesting.
“Her status meant unrestricted monitoring by the U.S. intelligence community was entirely legal. However, because of this ‘foreign agent’ status Ms. Butina was also a valuable 2016 FISA virus to infect anyone the U.S. intelligence apparatus would wish to target domestically for surveillance.” And Byrne, as it turns out and according to his own testimony, was engaged by the FBI as a “civilian handler” for Butina, so that she would be shown open doors to Republican politicos on instructions from Byrne, “including persons in/around the Trump orbit.” (These “connect-the-dots claims are in the cited article and also in https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/23/details-behind-patrick-byrne-allegations-of-fbi-political-espionage/.) “Mr. Byrne stated several times that FBI Agent Peter Strzok, and persons working on his behalf, was the FBI official directing the engagements,” which is of interest because Strzok was both central to Russiagate and the lead-agent in falsifying the transcripts of the FBI interview with General Michael Flynn who was entrapped and extorted to make a guilty plea, which is about to be reversed in US court.
„In December of 2015 Mr. Byrne said he became suspicious of the FBI motives because he warned FBI officials of the potential that his efforts, his reputation and those who trust him, may result in Butina gaining entry into campaign confidences. The FBI agents told Mr. Byrne that was exactly the intent. People high up in the FBI wanted Ms. Butina to gain deep access to the Trump campaign. Mr. Byrne became suspicious of a corrupt political motive, but didn’t say anything at the time.”
Now all of this is on the public record in the US via the various interviews that Byrne gave. There is much more in the article, including an explanation for why Byrne went public, but I conclude with just three points: first, Byrne talked with the DOJ “on April 5th, 2019, and again on April 30th, 2019. Mr. Byrne stated he told the DOJ all of the information he was aware of during those two interviews covering approximately seven hours of questioning from officials in the Department of Justice,” and “Maria Butina was removed from harsh isolation in prison on May 9th, ten days after Mr. Byrne delivered his testimony to the DOJ. According to Byrne Ms. Butina was moved to a very different White Collar facility based on his information.” Lastly, “Yesterday [24 October] the media began reporting that U.S. Attorney John Durham is conducting a criminal investigation. Today Ms. Butina is released from prison and immediately [about 10 days before her sentence ran out — GG] deported back to Russia.”
As always, such gritty, spooky stuff raises a lot of questions.
Here’s another IDEA
Read this OP, the author doesn’t mention guns, or what BUTINA did, just pitys her, and the left of course doesn’t even realize that she hung-out with NRA people.
I really think that BUTINA was an agent for the left, she was sent to infiltrate the gun groups, and eventually come out say “They’re Buffoons”, … but along the way, she found them to be the salt of the earth people in the USA. She found the left in the USA to be hypocrites and liars, she found the FBI to be worse than the KGB.
Also I think she fell in love, romantically with some of the gun people. Eventually it was clear to those who had sponsored her she had gone past her shelf-life, so they shut her down, had her arrested as an un-registered gov agent, and then deported.
It’s clear from this THREAD that most here are left, that most here don’t have a clue that BUTINA was “POSTER GIRL FOR NRA”, while she was here, the simple fact that a beautiful russian women could embrace USA gun-culture so too hard for the left-narrative.
This OP is an attempt to redeem BUTINA, so that she comes out and speaks against the right wing gun control of the USA, that she has a second chance.
Just my opinion.
I don’t think there much to the over-stock guy BYRNE, like a lot of high-tech billionaires, he’s a gun nut, you go to enough gun-shows like BUTINA did your going to eventually meet lots of millionaires and billionaires who like to shoot. She enjoyed that crowd.
The funny thing here is TRUMP is anti-gun, so “WHAT IN THE HELL WERE THE FBI THINKING”? There was no way really tie any of this back to Trump.
I think the simple explanation is the ZIONIST powers of Russia sent BUTINA to make USA gun-culture appear to be MORONIC, and instead she fell in love with it,
” It has puzzled me to hear them speak of Putin and Russia as oppressive, but it’s starting to now make sense, that perhaps they speak this way to protect themselves from the FBI, the CIA etc. ”
I do not believe this is completely true. I believe that most Russians who are against Putin and his policies are sincerely pro-Western (kind of atlanticist integrationists).
I have met in Europe both Russians who are against Putin and the Russian government, but also Russians who support Putin and his approach. Now my sample size may not be representative of most Russian long term residents / expats / dual citizens in Europe. Anyways what I have witnessed is a division between the Russian expats in a manner exactly described by the Saker, Paul Craig Roberts, Micheal Hudson, etc…..and they are the following 2 groups (and this is only from my personal account):
– the Russians who left Russia long time ago, lets say 90s and early 2000s are mostly the ones who support Putin and their country’s strong independent direction …… you can all them the Russian expat Eurasian-Sovereignists.
– the Russians who recently left Russia (lets say past 5 to 8 years) either for work, business, studies, mostly anti-Putin and in love with the West…..you can call them the Russian expat Atlanticist-Integrationists.
Author’s Reply to 40 + comments…
I have never had an article published before this, especially not on a well read site, and it was rather intense reading the comments below my article. I was realizing prior to even reading the commentary that I suddenly grew uncomfortable with the interpretation I had offered regarding why local Russians seem less than enthusiastic about Putin or life in Russia. Obviously I don’t know the reason and there could be many reasons why people from Russia in the US who I’ve talked to aren’t Putin fans.
People often try to understand why others have a certain attitude or belief, and I don’t consider that a bad thing to want to understand, however, my explanation about the attitude of Russians I’ve met here was in hind-site too simplistic. True I got the idea from listening to Butina’s interview that they could be anti-Putin out of fear from the FBI, but I now realize that was a rather paranoid idea on my part and one that could insult the Russians I know. So for that reason alone I regret even suggesting that, and for anyone I offended on that point, I apologize.
There are many possible explanations for this attitude in the US. If I were making the choice to move to Sweden or Russia or Turkey or any country, I would probably be opening up to whatever I can discover about the attitudes and beliefs of every day Swedish or Russian or Turkish citizens in their country. It seems it would be natural to participate in the idea sharing that is predominant in the given country. The predominant feeling about Putin and Russia in the US is negative. One comment relayed the idea that moving to western countries can involve adopting Western Integrationist values. This seems like a good potential answer…
But also, as I reflect further, the Russians I’ve met have been here in the US for good while, I bet since before Putin first became President in Russia. Russia under Yeltsin was a post Soviet state being plundered by the west, with a lot of crime, instability and poverty. Before that, it was part of the Soviet Union which was oppressive just by evidence of the suppression of religion among other things. So given what circumstance they may have come from combined with the predominant discourse in everyday United States society today, I would guess that there would be little impetus for Russians who are now US citizens to have positive feelings toward Putin or today’s Russia.
There were some other good and interesting suggestions about why Russians in the US may not feel positive about Putin and one commenter said that from their interactions in Europe, they found a mix.
Yeah, so if I keep asking I might find some Russians here who do speak well of Putin. I think more than once in the comments was the criticism that I was generalizing in a way that would shut down discourse. If I was doing that I was defeating the whole purpose of the article to begin with. So painful though it was, the feedback was helpful, and I feel like I’ve learned something. So thank you.
p.s. One final note: I think I was seen as a liberal by one or more comment because I didn’t even bring up the gun issue. I’m a gun owner. I have no problem with Butina’s interest or promotion of guns. I lean more conservatively these days from the days I referred to myself as a liberal, but mostly I am just antiwar. I can have very good conversations with people of all different persuasions, and I think that is really the whole point. We need to be able to talk to each other. I hope that every effort I make can open, not close, discourse and trust between us.
William Spencer – final comment
The biggest learn for me after sitting with the comments, comes from Bro 93. I’ve got to laugh at my own melodrama, where at the end I speak of “growing weary of the voices and dramatic depictions of daily discourse”. Instead I’m now just laughing and feeling empowered by what I’ve learned in this exercise. Bro 93 made a great point about how it’s easy to see ourselves as ‘enlightened’ or better than others because we aren’t drinking the kool-aid of the power mouthpieces. I think that is very true. And I think not drinking the kool-aid, as bro93 points out, doesn’t make us great or moral or better than anybody else. He makes the point that believing that most Americans are imbicles is supporting the agenda of the power hungry psychopaths. I recall that that’s the point of big TV radio and newspaper operations to create this kind of false consensus perception. In fact, it sounds that way because that’s what NPR blasts out every day or pick your poison, CNN, whatever right? This is encouraging. I like Bro 93s assertion that there are 10s of millions of Americans who are seeing through the lies. So we aren’t so special after all, and that’s a good thing! In other words take heart, and stop winning! I’m calling myself out on that! Bro 93, if you happen to read this will you reach out and contact me? Anybody else, please read his post. There are many many good points there that drive home the whole understanding that Americans in general neither hate nor fear Russia, and the idea that they do as Bro 93 predicts, will laughingly reveal itself to be attempted mind control.