Today, RT posted an article which began with the words “Amid fears of worsening clashes in eastern Ukraine, Russian and American diplomats have held unscheduled bilateral talks in an effort to forestall an all-out conflict, which Moscow has warned could spell disaster for the region“.
This begs the question: is the “Biden” administration still capable of logical thought?
My guess is that no, probably not. Here is why:
- Ever since Dubya, each US administration was lead by a clueless and weak President who might have been good at making speeches, but which had neither the intelligence, nor the will, nor the courage to lead the United States.
- This phenomenon became particularly acute with Obama, who was a fantastically incompetent and weak leader and, as a result, the putatively single US foreign policy was replaced by many competing foreign policies: one Foggy Bottom foreign policy, another one by the Pentagon, yet another one by the CIA, etc. etc. etc. As a result, the foreign policy of the US was decided like a mathematical sum vector (which often, did not match any of the competing agendas).
- At the same time, the world watched in awe and horror how the quality of the US “diplomats” was in free fall. For example, not since James Baker did the US have a competent Secretary of State. The same can be said of the Pentagon or the CIA. Remember Pompeo or Petraeus?
- A wise saying states that if everybody is in charge, then nobody is. If everybody is responsible, then nobody is. For the USA, this means that while each agency or lobby pushes for its own interests, nobody is really in charge of protecting the people of the USA if the proverbial crapola hits the fan.
- It would be a fair thing to say that while the competence of US diplomats went down, their arrogance sky-rocketed to levels of “chutzpah” never seen before. What we now have is a quasi-perfect fusion of Anglo and Zionist messianism gone berserk (the LGBTQ+ freaks’ is another perfect example of this)
- Weak administrations are also the perfect object of lobbying, hence the phenomenal rise of the influence of both the Zionist and Ukronazi lobbies in the United States.
- Finally, US Americans in general, and US decision makers in particular, are phenomenally ignorant of history. Combined that with their messianic narcissism and you get a most toxic combination of a total sense of impunity and an terminal inability to see even a major danger or threat.
Yet the Russians are still trying, if only because they, unlike their US colleagues, understand the nature of war. Still, I am afraid that the conversation might look something like this:
Russians: if you attack us, we will sink most of your navy, we will destroy your key command posts and we might even strike the continental USA with our conventional (non-nuclear armed) long range weapons.
US Americans: nah, there is noooooo way you can do that, you drink too much vodka and you are bluffing. We are the most powerful military in the history of the galaxy – have you not read Tom Clancy?!
Russians: don’t you understand what the consequences of a major war in the Ukraine will be for the European continent and your NATO “allies”?!
US Americans: you are authoritarians, we are democrats and democracies always prevail against authoritarian regimes!
Russians: but, don’t you feel any pity for your European “allies”?!
US Americans: we can and will protect them, we are the most powerful military in the history of the galaxy!!
Russians: and how do you propose to protect anybody from our hypersonic weapons?
US Americans: We are the USA. Lower your defenses and surrender your forces. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile (yes, that is the mental level of these TV-educated ignoramuses).
etc, etc, etc.
The chances of this leading to a de-escalation are, frankly, infinitesimal.
What about the French and the Germans then?
Oh, I am pretty sure that they both “got it”. These regimes are evil, but not stupid. They are, however, totally under the thumb of Uncle Shmuel and most unlikely to openly defy him. All they can do is beg, and that is unlikely to suade him.
Still, today, Foreign Minister Lavrov, during a press conference in India, said that Germany and France were doing nothing useful and that they must urgently bring the Ukies “back to their senses”. Will anybody heed this warning?
Russia is clearly trying very hard to show, by words and actions, that she will not back down. And, for all their other and very real faults, I suspect that many (most) Ukronazi leaders do understand that if this comes to a “hot” war they personally are likely to die. These are cowards and cowards always panic when they are personally threatened. This, by the way, gives Russia another potentially interesting option:
Say the Poles move one or two battalions into the western Ukraine. Rather than obliterating them, Russia could decide to “only” target their battalion HQs and commanders. This way, i) innocent Poles would not have to die ii) the surviving Poles would be terrified and iii) Poland would have no means of retaliation whatsoever. What about NATO? I can tell you that NATO would protest but not move at all, just like the did with Saakashvili and Erdogan. No NATO/EU country is willing to enter a war against Russia on behalf of the Poles in the Ukraine, not even they are that stupid.
Anyway, these are my thoughts today after listening to the latest news.
I turn this over to you – what do you think?
LDNR officials have declared that the Ukies now have the following forces concentrated along the line of contact:
7 brigades (17-20k men)
several more rear brigades
assorted special units (Internal forces, Nazi deathsquads, SBU special units, etc.)
40k+ total men
What kind of forces did Ukraine use during the first war in donbass?
Are these forces far bigger than the previous ones?
If Putin is still in power, a conflict with Ukraine will be met with a conflict in another part of the world, another sphere of interest
They are not building up so many forces 40 000 troops for fun or to put pressure in peace negotiations. We know that from Iraq.
If they have done so much efforts its because they will attack, and like in Iraq they will have support from behind from more hidden forces say Poland, say Nato, say US Europe.
The Nato drill starting now in Europe until June involve 28 000 troops plus modern equipment.
Its 40 000 troops on the front, and 28 000 troops back up plus nuclear subs, air-fighters, bombers, navy ships.
The West is still in a lock down, an ideal position for the military.
Such a plan with 40 000 troops has been planned at least 5-10 years in advance, maybe longer.
Considering we are now talking about long distance hypersonic weapons, direct energy weapons, m.m. for me its quite a heavy build up compared to the Iraq invasion.
So they could easily overrun Donbass, try to take Crimea and Kaliningrad and so what? If Russia hits back in Europe or US, the whole Nato goes berserk.
Is Ukraine in lockdown?They have 430 deads today.Hospitals are full, what’s going to happen if a lot of injuried soldiers suddenly show up in civil hospitals as well?
We will soon contemplate the final chapter of the Maidan and the end of Ukraine.
War + destructions+ covid+ no vaccines + then lack of food and medecine.Good luck people.If after such an humiliation local don’t rise up, will mean they deserve their situation.
Hundreds thousands of refugees will arrive in Merkelland. And in a few years a new nazi Germany will emerge.
What happens is organ harvesting and mobile incinerators just like last time.
The Israelis and Igor Kolomoisky have a business in human organs.
The Ukies have no use for their wounded. It’s not in their plans or logistical structure.
“Considering we are now talking about long distance hypersonic weapons, direct energy weapons, m.m. for me its quite a heavy build up compared to the Iraq invasion.”
NATO has no operational hypersonic weapons. Russia does. Direct energy weapons are out of the Tom Clancy school of military strategy. Non-existent in terms of real world military operations.
The Iraq 1 invasion build up took months and months and involved shipping massive amounts of troops, heavy weapons, ordnance, co-ordinating the forces of dozens of different counties plus the assembling of many major air and naval assets. Nothing like this is happening right now. The Defender exercises NATO has scheduled for June are pathetic. 28000 troops. Please compare this to recent Russian military exercises like Vostok 2018 which involved close to 300,000 troops, 36,000 military vehicles and various military contingents from China .
In reference to Directed Energy Weapons:
China has them, and their Naval fleet is equipped with railguns. SU-57 will be equipped by an DEW EMP system, but it’s still in testing.
Could you give ANY source to that claim? As far as I know Railguns are not ready to be deployed in any form at the current state of development.
Source is MSM, but linked video direct from CCP.
I forgot the Northern drill said to include US 300 Air Force planes in Arctic in May. Trump boasted about a new super duper weapon. US has ballistic missiles with extreme accuracy.
Just saying its a force to take very serious. It could be to open a front and occupy forces for attack elsewhere, who knows.
“…US has ballistic missiles with extreme accuracy…”
you are absolutely right!
they hit the same building in Syria about 40 times with their tomahawks
that is Pre-ci-Sion
victory is assured against those commies.
I would comment the rest of your post, but I have some important things to do…
I read some years ago US ability to hit Russia’s ground based ICBM with more accuracy was improved, but I cant find in a second a link.
But here is another re the same subject. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-us-missile-defense-test-proves-it-lied-about-global-missile-shield/ar-BB1bbiD1
Just dont underestimate an formidable enemy!
Re the Tomahawks in the desert and same building, remember Trump had to throw bombs to make the polls raise 5-10% among the sheeple, and the sheeple got what they really wanted when Biden killed more civilians in 4 weeks than Trump did in 4 years.
@Thermo Barbaric: “The Iraq 1 invasion build up took months and months and involved shipping massive amounts of troops, heavy weapons, ordnance, co-ordinating the forces of dozens of different counties plus the assembling of many major air and naval assets. Nothing like this is happening right now. ”
I agree. Likewise, NATZO war against Syria was preceded by the buildup of 600,000 ISIS mercenaries — more troops than Napoleon had at his disposal for the invasion of Russia. The present NATZO buildup looks to me like a pack of terriers, all bark, bark, bark, nip, nip, nip but no big bite. Saker’s opinion seems to be right: disperse the yapping dogs with some well aimed projectiles but be patient. Ukraine is an artificial construct (one of Khruschev’s “hare brained schemes”) and will eventually fall apart at its natural border, the Dnieper: Kiev and eastward will rejoin Russia; and westward of the river, Jewish/Ukrainian Galicia will be re-absorbed by Poland/Hungary.
Most of Kiev is west of the Dnipro…
40.000 Candidates to be Boiled!
28.000 Spectators Shitting their Pants…
Planned in advance… sorry my Laughs doesn’t allow me to keep writing
Won’t happen because the western retards don’t want to get nuked
This conflict will stay local but nevertheless Russia will have to put a deep red line very soon
You see, I think we have to avoid the error of thinking logically and assuming whoever is pushing this possible attack is also doing so.
I doubt it. The logical thinkers are not a problem – they can see it would be a crazy idea.
I’m more thinking of the Saakashvili Mistake people. As in – “if we just “go”, we attack, we cry “For America and King Joe”, then when stuck in difficulties our Empire masters will HAVE to come to war with us.
Which, of course, is by no means likely. Unless the narc/pscychs at the Top table want that. In which case, I’d say Russia will take the part of Ukraine she sees as nearly all Russia, and leave that little corner of Galicia to go it’s own way.
That’s a relatively large build up.
I think empire can be deterred and war will likely be delayed (but probably not avoided). However, this is deterrence based on the “partners” fear and indecisiveness, not based on some understanding. Thus, it is bound to be only effective in the short-term.
If the west invades, by old tradition they may invade in June.
Such things (i.e., standard but strong military demonstrations):
plus the noticeable deployment of Russian forces in positions along the border, even the slight understanding that the opposing commanders will die first, economies will be wiped out, etc., may have some deterring effect.
I’m disappointed that Macron and Merkel are not on top of this and screaming against this development. Among the politicians in the west it falls on them to bring reason to the table, since they volunteered to take that responsibility.
As far as the “Biden” persona and what it says, I think this is largely irrelevant. Biden constantly promises and says stuff and his word has a value of zero.
UA has no courage to attack efficiently and strongly to be relevant in military terms. However, poop hitting the fan can always happen and Ukraine can lead the other bigger players to an escalation.
I don’t think blowing up Poland as a demonstration is a Russian style of behavior. However, inflicting considerable damage in Syria, the use of economic/financial (ditch the dollar en masse) and political/diplomatic tools can help.
Another thing is flying drones around and over western naval vessels (Black, Mediterranean, Baltic Seas but also in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and close to US territory). Also, the application of EW against the NATO presence and exercises. Not only on level of demonstration and disturbing communication but seeking damage. E.g., make some of their ships in the area malfunction and needing to go for unexpected repairs. Use EW to down some aircraft (mostly drones but why not more than that) as a warning. Disable some of the western military (and some civilian why not) satellites. Shoot a Kinzhal missile over the Arctic in the direction of North America. Sail Russian vessels capable of carrying Kalibr and Zirkon along the US coasts.
Add to that having all NATO assets close to Russia constantly tracked by radars (naval or air-defense ones) and being targeted continuously.
Seek to hurt Biden family business interests directly, fly a visibly armed strategic bomber around Europe’s coast. Demonstrate the use of ballistic iskander against a fortified bunker. Deploy more iskanders and military units in Kaliningrad. Intercept all the time western airplanes, especially the stealthy ones, above international airspace.
This is better than direct open confrontation.
I disagree with your assessment. Both China and Russia consider it in their sphere of influence and in their national interest, to have buffer countries in their immediate periphery. This is why China went into Korea and Vietnam. This is why Russia almost went in last time around, and it took some major last minute diplomacy and assurances by Ukraine that they will never again encroach on the eastern republics. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were also secret clauses in that treaty, which assured Russia that Ukraine will remain neutral and non-aligned, much like Finland.
Fast forward a couple of years and we have the president of Ukraine talking about the importance of joining NATO and the ukie army shelling villages in the east, in violation of the peace accord, to which both Germany and Russia are guarantors. I don’t think that this time around Russia will just arm the republics and follow the previous strategy, for the simple reason that they don’t want a NATO country less than 200 miles from Moscow. Kiev was dumb enough to break the piece (by shelling the republics) and give Moscow the pretext to go in and create the buffer that they demand from a strategic standpoint.
If this forecast happens to pass, the question is, does China have a secret treaty with Russia, which compels it to open a second front (or vice versa). Let’s hope that I”m wrong and that this stays conventional.
Those are not impressive figures as far as combat troops go, as the 40k+ also includes police units. The Donbass Russians have about the same number of men, if not more, as volunteers and veterans from 2014 are flocking to the Donbass.
The 200 main battle tanks cannot be underestimated. However, if they launch an attack, they will be exposed, being on the open, while the Donbass Russians are dug in. Those tanks are going to represent good targets.
The 300 artillery pieces are, of course, dangerous. However, as I stated, the Donbass Russians are dug in. As military history has shown, well dug in troops have an excellent chance of surviving artillery barrages.
In case of war, Ukraine will, of course, receive fresh intel from NATO, including satellite photographs and videos. However, the Donbass Russians will have the same privilege, receiving fresh intel and satellite material from the Russian military. I think Kiev would be very foolish to attack with so few men, bearing in mind those Ukrainian brigades are mostly made up of conscripts, whose moral is questionable. I must say I am rather surprised that Kiev has amassed so few men. For Kiev to win, the ratio would have to be 2:1 at the very least.
These figures ONLY cover those forces along the line of contact, not total available forces.
With a full mobilization the Ukies could, in theory, get much higher numbers (in the many hundred of thousands)
oh and remember that the LDNR has no strategic depth, no way to trade space for time…
They have strategic depth. Russia is behind…
Yes, a full mobilization in Ukraine could see several hundred thousand “troops”. However, how will this mobilization be conducted ? By using the police, who some years back raided night clubs in Kiev in order to drag conscripts into the military ? Also, what would the combat value of these Army reservists be ? They would basically be civilians impersonating soldiers, as many of them forgot their Army skills during civilian life. Should Kiev introduce a massive mobilization, then I fear that it would be provoking a new Maidan, this time in reverse. Who in impoverished Ukraine wants to fight a war, neo-Nazis excluded ?
For the purpose of canceling NS2, 40000 is just right. Victorious Blitzkrieg is counterproductive because then Germany wouldn’t be forced to abandon pipeline.
To me, that seems like a lot for the LDNR to deal with, but I don’t know any details about the state of the contact line or the geography or opposing numbers involved.
What are the chances, and the possible consequences of LDNR provoking an uncontrolled, panicked and piece-meal “offensive” among parts of the Nazi front line? Especially before the ground conditions are suitable? Would a little chaos at the line, before the Nato “masterminds” (Ubermensch?) can show their hand, be useful?
I heard that the Red Army opened up first with a barrage at the Battle of Kursk? I thought it was an inspiring way to defend a “planned” offensive.
40’000 men & 200 MBTs is only sufficient for a local incursion (less than the germans achieved in the Ardennes), it can hardly achieve lasting strategic changes – especially the 40’000 Troops are totally insufficient to support a longer battle.
It’s still the same – given the two side are technologically roughly even the attacker needs 3 : 1 supremacy in numbers to win including a fully functioning support infrastructure of course.
The LDNR what I have read have more than twice the artillery or roughly 600 pieces about the same number of MBTs and roughly the same manpower. The normally point decisive air-support will be negligible from the Ukranian side, and I’m certain the LDNR is fully stuffed with manpads.
More than a local incursion for a few days cannot be maintained by the attacker with such a puny force without steady and ample reinforcments of men and material which they obviously have not, else they would use them right from the start for maximum effect (to achieve superiority of numbers) instead of feeding a senseless men grinder.
I have the feel that the whole is another try to lure the Russians into a trap – the ‘attack’ being the bait. Instead they can use their new long ranging totally devastating MLRS to clean up dangerous developments near their border any time they wish, as they did already in 2015 obviously but with enough deniabilty (nice isn’t it ?)
I hope many of these Ukrainian conscripts defect or turn around and shoot their own commanding officers.
Read all the comments so far… A lot of (natural!) emotion… Do this, invade that, teach them a lesson, etc… My take is simple; do more of what works, less of what doesn’t.
What Putin and the Kremlin has been doing works… Keep this up. Give help to the Donbass… Anti-battery radar to take out Ukie artillery, anti-tank shoulder weapons and anti-aircraft weapons to destroy Ukie ‘air farce’… All with plausible deniability.
Of course, if Nato or US troops participate directly, that changes equation, Russian forces can then justify participating directly as well.
Pray for peace!
History lesson in pictures: The Nazis inside Ukraine
As the panic of the pandemic is dissipating, EU leaders need a new panic to keep the old one alive. Which means they would love an Ukraine conflict. Although there is no other military capability then a few strong words, Europe will stand by Ukraine, by applauding on balconies and having extra meetings in Brussels.
Russia will not be the first to attack. But their response wil incite a run on toiletpaper in Brussels.
Not just the EU but the U.S. to as the U.S.’s economy is sinking fast and the only lifeline is a war just like in 2000 with the war on terror which Rumsfeld said was good for 100 years. Here in the U.S. we have a financial economy which depends on weapon sales consumer sales, but very little manufacturing sales, for the economy is built as Reagan stated “we don’t need manufacturing for we will be the financial center of the world not a dollar will turn, but we will get a slice of it” and started the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs gutting the country of any real value as the robber barons ruled all segments of the economy and the country with the president as nothing but a cut out of a poster child while the bankers slid the pay-offs to congress underneath the table.
Unfortunately that imagined conversation is probably 99% accurate.
Since there are many foreign policies in the US, but the only one that can actually activate troops is the Pentagon, and you have stated/hoped that the people in that building understand the actual nature of the situation – could we see dissent? A refusal to operate? Blinken can say “attack” all he wants but, while Austin is a moron, the Generals could very well defy orders.
Rationality in the US military declines sharply after the colonel rank. Being promoted to general is less based on merit and more based on one’s skill to navigate the Pentagon bureaucracy.
Don’t expect a moment of courage from a 4-star general to speak the truth to the American people.
You’re right, the bureaucrats are clueless. I’m just saying, do you remember Milley’s face at Trump’s presser the day after Iran slapped the US? That was the face of total humiliation. People like that can’t believe that they stand a chance.
That is true for most militaries (though not the Russian one)
Putin and United Russia are losing popular support. A short war is possible, but only for Donbass, so that the Kudrin Sreder partners of the West can once again ride on. They do not pay attention to the rest of Ukraine, they are not interested in Russian pain and suffering there. That is what they agreed with American diplomats. The people today, in addition to all black-red bourgeoisie propaganda, see the follers. Many hunting promises, the realization remains oligarchic, masonic. Church ecumenical. They are pumping up their muscles for the September elections.
No Djole, you are wrong, Russians do not bluff nor do they play poker, that is an American thing, and here lies the danger: one side (poker player) thinks the other side (chess player) is bluffing. Mistakes are bound to happen with escalation as a result.
That summarises it all.
Americans are playing poker while Russians are playing chess.
No better definition that that.
Muscles against brains.
It is funny, but… Poker have a big component that is is bluffing, lying, posturing an trying to deceive or mislead your opponents, not to mention the inherent randomness of the game… chess is just pure brainpower.
Both games define very well the people that play them.
This is not the first time you have written highly questionable and biased comments, devoid of reality. Putin is certainly not losing popularity, as that is wishful thinking.
Look I am doing research on the whole problem and here are some of my conclusions. For those who like to look I will be doing a video soon to illustrate my conclusions.
My search for the most humane, ethical and peaceloving country on this earth. In the final five I listed are the UK, Israel, USA, France and Ukraine.
Obviously New Zealand, Australia, China, Iran and Switzerland due to their abuse of their native populations are not quallified. Ancient history has also eliminated Greece and Italy.
Research led me to believe the US had the greatest humanitarians in James Baldwin, Walt Whitman, Mark Twain George Bush and Barrak Obama.
Greatest humanitarian philosophers in Norm Chomsky, Cornel West, Walt Whitman, Donald Trump and Joe Biden (before he was 21)
US is number one in spreading democracy and supporting human and native rights. Particuarly in Alaska, Oklahoma and more recently outside the US in Iraq, Syria and Libya.
While the UK and Israel have both spread their humanitarian message in Hong Kong, Palestine and Jordan the results have not been as impressive as the USA’s.
Perhaps due to that great Christian bastion of human rights in the US that gathers abuses world wide and informs the White House. THat being the CIA.
One of the recent targets is that sad concentration camp or cotton farm called Xinjiang in Western China.
Presently that US and its democracy spreader Nato is helping the Ukraine in thier fight against that mumber one abuser of democracy and human rights Russia.
All this leads me to consider the USA the number one most honest and ethical country in the world with israel and the UK number 2 and 3.
The next meeting of the over 75 honest sub-par golfers will be in three years. We expect Joe Biden will chair the meeting.
Best bitterly ironic humor I’ve seen in a while. Thanks, from ‘the other side’.
It will take a demonstration of Russian missiles to knock sense into the heads of the US/NATO. The Ukies don’t matter.
I like the idea of “wasting” the Poles leadership. Time for them to be turned to ashes.
The strategy the Russians should use as the final move toward peace or war is to designate three targets in the world and hit each with their missiles. The final one a kinetic warhead as large as a tactical nuke. Sink a ship, build a replica of NATO HQ and destroy it, and devastate a mile long “front” with a salvo of rockets.
Make sure the videos are on all platforms and social media.
The likelihood of a war is 90%. Zelensky is convinced he will get help from NATO. He has no choice now. He cannot turn back.
The Russians have to destroy Banderstan and turn Ukraine into a permanent 404.
I seem to recall that during the Syrian campaign a bunker containing Saudi, Quatari and ‘several other nationalities’ of staff officers and advisers took a direct hit from a Kaliber cruise missile. These people played no further part in hostilities. After seven years I would think that that GRU would know the location of every bunker/command post and communication node in the vicinity of the line of contact and even further back. These are obviously prime targets and I seem to recall Mr.Lavrov saying that this time around there will be no ‘golden pheasants’. A series of precision strikes on these locations should reduce the Nazi hordes to a bleeding, leaderless rabble. It looks like Russia is fated to save the world from fascism the second time in 75 years…….funny how history rhymes isn’t it? I say this more in sorrow that anything else, but you can’t reason with drugged psychopaths who are armed to the teeth. There is regrettably the reality that the only good one is a dead one. It doesn’t look good, even from where I’m sitting (in a NATO country). One hopes cooler heads prevail but I suspect the drugged Pravy-SS lust after glory…….so be it….
You remember correctly.
It was little reported, but 3 kalibre missiles destroyed a mountain bunker, killing up to 80 “advisors”.
It was a HQ directly ISIS and jihadis across the Syrian space.
Samantha Power was schrrrrrreeeching like a demented banshee at the UNSC, but as the US officially had no “advisers” in the bunker, then none could have been killed.
Plausible deniability can work both ways.
The kalibre strike
1/ demonstrated Russian capability, as the strike came from ships in the Caspian and easily and precisely hit in Syria
2/ led to a “deconfliction” line between Russian and US high command. And the US had to abide by it. If they didn’t want to use their body bags, then they had to declare where their “boots” were located.
They were NATO/IDF advisors to ISIS command.
IIRC both Gerasimov and Milley meet on a regular basis either by video or face to face, the last meeting within the past 14 days. I would think both and their respective staffs are well aware of ‘the balance of forces’ and Milley must be aware by now of the globe-spanning capabiities and pin-point accuracy of modern Russian missiles. But how much traction and influence does he have in a drooling and spittle-flecked White House? I have been expecting trouble in the Ukraine sine the hologram and his minders got him ‘elected’ in the Purple Revolution. There seems a tragic inevitability to all this. Target the oligarchs and the plutocrats first, the Nazis can be liquidated twenty minutes later…..
American leaders still live in 19th century at best in the first half of the 20th century. Education, history, foreign languages are not known to you.
Attributed to Oscar Wilde: “America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between”.
I think that is was Clemenceau, but don’t quote me on that :-)
Clemenceau it was. :-)
It was Oscar Wild’s famous comment. Clemenceau, on the other hand, was famous for saying that “war is too important to be given to the generals”.
And then, the American says: “but who the hell is Clemenceau?” When you answer: a French politician at same time that Wilson.
He says ” who the hell is Wilson?” :)
Another one from Clemenceau : “England is just a French colony that turned bad”.
In the 19th century the Americans had free rein to conquer, murder, plunder and exploit to their heart’s content. Their only opposition consisted of Native Americans (brave but outnumbered and under-armed), Mexicans, Hawaiians, etc.
In the 20th century they came up against the British, Germans, and Soviets. Quite different. The British could fight quite well, but were defenceless against financial treachery. The Germans could fight very well, but were finally ground down when Uncle Shmuel lined up literally everyone against them. The Soviets… well, hm…
Eventually the Americans fell back on their core competencies: confidence tricks, financial fraud, and industrial-scale lying.
In the 21st century even those are no longer very effective.
You forgot Ho-Chi Minh and his army, they broke the spirit of the US-Army. Apocalypse Now is the record which shows how they did it basically – going down to hell with the attacker and test him whether he is a worthy beast, and they were found wanting….
You also forgot the Chinese PVA in Korea. Despite all the tough talk from murican armchair warriors, the US 8th Army and their UN vassals got routed and pushed back down past the current DMZ despite having superior firepower and technology. The “Great Bug Out” is the considered longest retreat in US military history and the top Pentagon brass learned the hard way what happens when you get near Chinese borders. Fortunately for them they still remembered that lesson during Vietnam, keeping ground forces in South Vietnam only.
If the US couldn’t even defeat a much weaker and impoverished China nearly 70 years what makes them think they can take on, much less defeat a modern China with a modernizing and much better equipped PLA?
Andrei My Orthodox Brother,
I think at this point Russia should just treat war as a certainty (while keeping the diplomatic channels open). If the Kiev Junta launches an offensive Russia needs to strike hard and fast both to utterly destroy the Junta Regime and to secure it’s own brothers (creating that land bridge to Crimea and security zone along it’s frontiers with Banderistan). At the same time the Russians should support friendly Ukrainians in an uprising against the Junta and aid Novorussian forces in capturing as much territory they need for a future Novorussian state. Of course the Russians do not need my advice. They are master chess players themselves.
Slava Rus! May God grant victory to Right Believing Orthodox Christians over their enemies.
Do Brasil muitos que amam a Rússia acompanham os acontecimentos em oração!
Glória Eterna à Eterna Rússia!
From Brazil many who love Russia follow the events in prayer!
Eternal Glory to Eternal Russia!
I think the Poles and Ukies understand their own history enough to realize that they are on their own if war breaks out, and that means they will lose, and losing their regimes will likely be banished from power and some leaders will die. Ergo, there will be no war with Russia. Status quo of drum beating and small skirmishes on the front lines, to keep the US dollars and hardware flowing in.
This is what the SoS globalist psychopaths fear the most– a Grand Alliance between the USA, Russia, Japan and some European countries (maybe NATO). Such an alliance could change the entire world dynamic into a peace enforced by the Northern Hemisphere giants and world prosperity for all. Not likely to happen, as the SoS holds all the levels of power in the West.
Can the US be interred?
Just a thought.
I expect the Russians can easily give adequate support to the Rebels without needing to invade Ukraine. They can let the Ukrainian forces attack themselves to death, so to speak. That’s what they did last time, and it will probably suffice now.
The Americans could be dealt with slowly by less military means. There’s too much muscle-flexing and boasting of super weapons. American officials just like to boast, but won’t do much, if not pressed to it. Their military would not even disturb themselves to defend their own constitution when it was breached by the election fraud, despite having taken an oath to defend it from domestic as well as foreign enemies. The generals will just continue to sit on their fat pensions and retirement prospects. They are unlikely to do more for the Ukrainians than send them best wishes (and maybe cargoes of covid masks), along with a few spies to observe how the Russians chew them up.
I expect that Russian Intelligence can easily work out the patterns of relationship between those who have influence on American policy making, and the big campaign donors, and the media Narrative Contrivers. Most of them, and there are unlikely to be more than a few hundred that are important, are not in official positions and probably not well protected, so an unusual number of crimes and accidents that befell them would not be acts of war, and not provable to emanate from the same source. The climate of American opinion would slowly improve as malign influences fell away – and those who seek to replace them with more of the same also left the scene. Softly softly catchee monkee.
Recalling Napoleon “you can do anything thing with bayonets except sit on them” it occurs to me that many persons in Kiev would be delighted to see the nazi divisions liquidated. Zuswang’d, they kaint advance and dey kaint retreat, and nobody loves them… I’d bet those fellas are the walking dead.
About the ways some people might change somebody policies… I’d bet that has occurred to many intelligence agencies.
That minds me of Solzhenitsyn> “Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence…. Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle”
I have notice that some States have executives that never lie, and other do not. While accidents regrettably do happen, Truth seems to cut the job with a finer edge – I’d bet that RT could make a few changes, more frank and blunt and vivid with the truth. Of course they’d be jammed – so some direct transmission satellites might be necessary.
It seems to me that it is Empire that has to decide on defeat now or defeat later. Retreat avoids defeat, unless they’re shooting at you – then it is defeat, Saigon style.
Either defeat or Retreat will, I bet, lead to the Clown becoming el presidente again…everybody knows where power comes from…but maybe they’re all grifterscowardsandsodomites…I dunno. It’s sure not the US Army I knew.
The American Military did not intervene because many of their number , including some high in the food chain, were part of the coup. It wasn’t indifference but participation. That is why Biden and the Dems wrapped the kabuki theater impeachment trial and none but the expendable and gullible small fry have been put in the dock.
Yes, Mr Q, that may be so…but of course much the same might be said about most military “corrections” in the History of States and Empires. Nevertheless, when the perceptions and objective forces call for military intervention, it happens.
Losing wars, major fubars…
Power, you know, Mao an all that stuff.
Colonels sometimes, sometime generals…they wish to avoid the worst outcome…which includes Nuremberg.
VVP: We will rely on the good Americans…
I’m very afraid.
It seem that Strelkov day” it’s better now than later for Russia”
It’s exactly what thoug the german leader in 1914…
I see the Saker wright : “NATO will protest but not move at all”. It’s exactly what thé germans leader though about England and France when they invided Poland in 1939…
“They are weak, clueless and coward”
It was what Japanese bet in 1941 about USA.
It’s absolutly clear that if Russians are under attack they will reply hardly.
It’s clear that if Donbass is under attack, then Russia will strike.
But why attack Poles bataillon if they are on west Ukraine? It’s no use to that and a very dangerous thing.
In every way, if russian weapons talk, then USA succeed in launching a new iron curtain.
A total victory. Remember the joke: ” USA is ready to fight russian till the last …Ukies”
First it will be a disaster for France specialy. Germany will be glad to hold the américan nighstick. All others european are used to be vassals for centuries.
I don’t know where and with who Russia will trade after that and I hope for her that China is really a good and guenuine ally but I know that this war will be the end of France sovereignty.
Dear Saker, what about China?
Is it possible that Poland may only want to annex their “lost territories”? Lvov used to be a Polish city after all.
yes, you are right and that is true!
The American people and the people of the UK (and of most of Europe, former Eastern Bloc exempted) are not who they were during the Cold War (1945 to 1989) let alone 1914 or 1941. Most of them won’t even fight to have a voice in their own homelands and allow themselves to be dictated to by ethno/cultural minorities. How are they going to fight the entire Russian Nation or even the hardened warriors of Novorossiya? Yes there are some spirited Pravy Sektor / Azov Battalion psychopaths who are willing to sacrifice themselves fighting the Moscals, but most of the Ukrainian people are just normal people who want to live and many of them even have sympathies toward Russia. Sure the Poles might swipe a chunk of the West and Hungary might even move to safeguard ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine but I very highly doubt any of them are going to come to the rescue of a doomed Junta Regime that’s even hated by a large segment of it’s own population. As for the Americans and their NATO allies. They will yell and scream, call Putin, Hitler incarnate and the Russians evil aggressors and invaders but they won’t do much more than that. They will kill Nordstream 2. They’ll probably use their Wahabi proxies in Syria to attack Russian military installations and personnel there. They will enact new sanctions on Russia together with their UK and EU vassals. They will probably do some maneuvers near Russian territorial waters and airspace and even launch some warheadless ICBM’s, but in the end even the most fanatic Neocon knows that a war with Russia would be suicide not just for Russia and America but a good section of the whole world (nuclear winter).
“USA succeed in launching a new iron curtain” that curtain will not be distinguishable from an internment camp – 4/5 of mankind will give a hoot about it, maybe uttering “Poor fellas” while walking by – times have fundamentally changed !
In deed. However.
However, USA could prefer “isolate” the total Eurasia in forbiding trade with them. And with this war, they got the pretext. US Empire is at least 55mds $ , three time China, and 70% of world industry.
With China, West Empire, has fatened up their overclass but now, they can decide that game must stop, chinese frog already look like a young bull, il’s time to cut the balls and deflate the beef.
For that, in stopping trading, Empire can bring back industry home or put it in more servile lands everywhere.
Without west trade, it will be very hard for China and Russia. Then USA will hold pressure on both, waiting for Poutine’s end in Russia and acting with every dissatisfaction that economic problems will create in China.
It would take at least ten to twenty years for the U.S. to bring back its factories and plants, the first five years would be wasted on the in fighting of who was to get what and the squabbling between them as to who got the biggest share, then you have the fact that the dollar really don’t buy all that much anymore, and you have to fix the infrastructure before you really can build any plants and seeing the Fed has to buy the biggest share of all the treasuries and the bonds don’t really help at all. There’s an old saying wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one filly’s up the quickest.!!
I don’t agree.
China still has a massive, huge, internal market and that will insulate China from much of the economic stupidity of the “Western” world.
And there are still many countries that want to be part of the BRI and deal with China.
Of course, with no Chinese imports into the US, the American standard of living will hit the toilet. Which country is more likely to have social unrest and revolt? Looks like the US to me.
As for Russia, the ongoing sanctions are driving Russia to greater self-sufficiency and independence.
The US still even needs Chinese items for its military. Imagine that.
From where you have your hilarious 70% of world’s industrial production remains a mystery, fact is China overtook the US in PPP GDP some 4-5 years ago, and in regards to industrial production it’s 35 % of GDP versus currently 3.8 % for the US how then the US can contribute 70 % of world’s industrial production remains a mystery only hallucinations or intoxication of some sort can explain.
The next is even better, isolating the Eurasian continent with only 4.2 bill. people, nothing better could happen to them, and yes Africa and the whole ME will be in the basket as well, so it remains there will only be a self isolated US rump empire, possibly with S-America as it’s certainly more than unstable (they are so fed up with the US medicine by now, words cannot describe it really) backyard.
But if the Russians come to the conclusion that any warning is useless and the geopolitical consequences inescapable, should they leave the advantage of the attack to the enemy? Could a preventive “surgical” intervention contain the escalation risk and the bloodbath?
It seems to me that this is just Obama 2.0.
Right after Biden gets elected reinforcements are sent to Syria.
It is like the same crowd of crazies is back in business.
According to RT Ukraine said NATO exercises will train troops for war with Russia.
And according to another article from RT Ukraine pulled out of the minsk agreements. They dicided to ignore what France and Germany asked them.
No negociations which means Ukraine has decided to take donbass by force (and maybe even Crimea).
If you ask me the US has decided to use Ukraine as a stick to hit Russia. There is not much Russia can do now to avoid war.
A par mio. Credo che per farla finita, sia meglio che accada tutto ciò. Così finalmente le merda ce usa finiranno di fare i bulli del universo
Yandex translated from mod
Like me. I think that in order to end this, it’s better that all this happens. So finally the sh*t CE uses will stop making the bullies of the universe
Quando si inizia una guerra di questo tipo non si sa come finirà. I rischi di escalation sono molto gravi.
Questa roba può diventare rapidamente un nuovo conflitto mondiale, come non ha mai smesso di ripetere Giulietto Chiesa quando era ancora in vita.
Google-translate from mod
When you start a war of this type you don’t know how it will end. The risks of escalation are very serious.
This stuff can quickly become a new global conflict, as he never stopped repeating Juliet church when he was still alive.
No need to translate a name. And the grammars off. I guess it would make more sense to ask whoever comments to do the translation themselves. Google translate only really works if you know more than the original language and can correct it.
By using Google Translate you are feeding information to the machine: algorithms will pick up keywords and keyphrases, read tendencies and then turn out forecasts of public opinion, counterstrategies, and will influence our future and later create it, then erase our alter our past bynremoving or adding context at will.
Stop feeding them anything other than rubbish.
Online translation that allows for easy grammar and context review is deepl.com (“German”?
Can the US be deterred?
Yes, long term, if we collectively stop buying their “bullshit and lies” and free ourselves from their media and “free” convenience products. Including everything Google.
Write daily to your local media to whenever you hear a heavily biased report or interview.
By plain old email or letter, you will stand out.
Demand,objectivity and context or at least demand when soon they will start parotting media reports about Russian Regime Incursions and Agressions in Ukraine.
To show the lower paid minions that we know and do care about what poison they are helping to cook.
The media needs to stop serving the war parties and stop believing they are doing good work or evil work undetected.
The USA can be detered if its game of perceived success is properly exposed: economists please make a simple infographics book / webpage for all the world to comprehend:
Explaining the real progress oriented economies vs the predatory economies that prey on weakness to get free respurces to build more weapons.
first Chart economies as traditionally reported.
Then cut out the weapons export based economy part.
Cut out the bubble finance part, the pharma.
See what’s left.
See who’s benefiting and needing wars and enemies all the time to benefit. See who’s beefiting from a sick and stupid population. Yes Russia won’t walk unstained, but I think the picture will be clear.
can end in one way: death, pain, distruction…and profits for the known ones
Should read usa not ce
This begs the question: is the “Biden” administration still capable of logical thought?
LOL! To paraphrase the immortal Billy Jeff Clinton, “Depends on what the meaning of “logical” is.” DC operates according to its own peculiar logic these days, which can be roughly summarized as “The empire is crumbling, we must do something – no matter how desperate and ill-advised – to save it, or failing that, at least distract the American Sheeple while it goes down. This is the latest effort of many, inconveniently delayed by four years of Trump. That last bit really sticks in their craw and makes it all the more imperative that they get their mojo back. They desperately want war for Russia and the EU, albeit with minimal or no US direct involvement. They’ll take the cowards’ way out eventually like they always do. But I’d look for action elsewhere once Russia gets tied down here.
“…democracies always prevail against authoritarian regimes!”
So why did Sparta – a regime so authoritarian it made the Nazis look like hippies – utterly defeat Athens (the very first state-level democracy)?
In fact, of course, all governments are authoritarian. But some are more so than others. If there was a shred of democracy left in the USA, the people would tell Washington, “No more wars!”
Polls show that a significant majority of Americans want all the wars to end.
But the wars continue.
That proves your point.
America is not a democracy.
Polls also show that a great majority of Americans support EVERY American war . . . as long as they think the Americans are winning. Polls that show an American aversion to war are not only useless, they’re malignant.
With so many warring video games, its no surprise that this is a trend, but the win in their mind is not as strong as the win on the battlefield, and a loss instantly flips their mind in a suicidal direction.
There is no middle anymore.
A few “big picture” reminders:
—Those who control policy in the USA do not care at all about the people of the USA. This is evidenced by decades of job offshoring, the incremental loss of personal freedoms since 9/11 (which have accelerated since the November 2020 elections), the utter disregard for consumers’ health when “regulating” food production and additives, and the race/economic war being fomented by the corporatocracy.
—The destruction of populism in the USA is aimed at a globalist government controlled by wealthy elites.
—Therefore, the decision by the USA whether or not to war with Russia takes into account the health and safety of the USA people only coincidentally, and only in regard to if and how the remaining means of production are affected.
—If war with Russia is perceived to ease the elites’ push for greater control of the US populace, that is a plus for the elites in this decision.
—If war with Russia is perceived to offer a more secure and quicker path to the end of nation states, including the USA, that is also a plus for the elites in this decision.
—Corporatists sacrificing a nation such as the USA for longer term internationalist goals has been done before. Germany, France, and Great Britain were all destroyed by WWII.
—This puts the understanding by the elites of the consequences of their actions as win/win unless Russia emerges unscathed while Europe and the USA are deeply damaged, which is not probable.
—They are sociopaths. Putin/Lavrov are aware of this. Let us all hope and pray that Putin’s decisions are aimed at both securing Russia and limiting this phase via quick and public actions so that the elites must alter their plans.
One thought on possible US strategy in Ukraine. Washington knows they can’t control eastern Ukraine. But they surely want a permanent military presence in Ukraine – however possible.
Thus like was done in Korea and Vietnam – the division of Ukraine into two nations would serve US interests.
Once the Ukie attack is launched on the Donbass, Poland and other NATO forces, along with US operatives, set up bases in western Ukraine and dare Russia to hit them as well. This would of course lead to full-scale war.
If Russia refuses to attack NATO bases in the west the US makes these bases permanent, fully takes over the Ukie government, and continues to push for greater access to the Black Sea.
Russia incorporates the Donbass region thus extending their border into Ukraine.
Hostilities, like today on the Korean peninsula, would remain long term.
Yes it is a strategy I am sure. However it is never as easy as the US thinks.
Firstly oil. Now Russia would probably first cut off oil supply to Ukraine and to much of Europe. The cost of shipping LPG would be huge. if cold and hungry the Ukrainians will not be easy to control.
Secondly the reason South Korea remained a stable US ally was because of its phenomenal economic success. The population had no reason to envy the North. In the case of Ukraine, assuming the Donbass was well supplied with Russian energy, there is no reason that it should not be economically successful. This would generate unrest in the Western part of Ukraine.
Thirdly China. The US is no longer the economic superpower it was in 1960. The role of the $US as reserve currency is almost over and this will put a break on unlimited US spending. Most of Europe will have little choice about turning to China and the effectiveness of NATO will fall.
Finally I think Russia is well aware of this plan, which is why I think this time they will react more strongly than in 2014. Russia now has little to lose. They desperately wanted to be accepted and seen as a good citizen, but it should be clear now that this can never happen. I do not think Russia will tolerate for a second NATO bases so close to its borders.
This makes a lot of sense actually. It’ll primarily be a win for the US, with Nato’s “border” now moved closer to the RF, pretty much completing its encirclement in Europe. Russia gets to protect its people as well, so it’s not a complete failure for them. The question is then whether of not the RF will allow Nato keeping Odessa’s port with it being turned into a Nato base?
Andrei, I agree with your analysis completely. There’s no logic anymore being utilised by the American leadership. This has become some type of ideological megalomania that blinds the mind and blocks out the facts.
Simply, a cult!
How far they will go is very difficult to ascertain because of this spirit of madness that possesses them.
The old Greek saying (I’m not sure of its origin) “Whom the gods destroy they first make mad” seems to be the playbook here.
So, to your question “Can the US be deterred?” No!
They’ve had many years to contemplate this. They are ideologues. Reason and logic have been removed and replaced by a hatred of all things Russian. Personally, I find their motivation and hatred incredibly difficult to understand but, after all, I do assume that I’m logical and sane and, therefore how do you understand how a maniac thinks?
No, if this attack on Russia is going to be initiated by these US/NATO backed forces, the only remedy I see is for Russia to carry out the actions necessary to completely neutralise their enemies. Russia needs to teach these aggressors that No means No.
I wish not for War because in war, there are generally few winners however, if Russia is attacked, they need to complete a comprehensive victory (whatever that entails) to stop this madness from happening again.
My God, when will these aggressors learn!?
In my opinion, this is not about Zelensky, the Nazi Facists, or Nordstream 2, it’s about a small clique of billionaire oligarchs who, see Russia as a prize to capture, subdue and rape to fulfil their own misguided lusts. IMO, THIS is the driving force behind these continual attacks on Russia and, these ideologues, will never be persuaded to halt their attacks because ultimately, they enjoy watching other people sacrifice their lives and spill their blood for them.
It satisfies them and serves to convince them of their demigod status.
They have no compassion or decency that we, mere mortals base our lives on.
No they cannot be deterred.
If its the oligarchs the problem, Russia should do everything it can to demonise these oligarchs. These oligarchs need to be neutralised.
Get us western plebs to do the job. There are millions of us that will get her done!
Well, that was already tried 150 years ago during the Paris Commune. Study that event and you’ll see how truly evil and deranged the Western elite is. Part of what keeps the masses is in the West in line is the memory, ingrained in their social DNA, of what happened to the communards at the hands of the Western Elite of that era. Think absolute bloodbath. The only thing that has changed since then are the faces. Today’s elite, is even more psychotic if that is even possible, than their forebears. Funny how each succeeding generation of Western elite became progressively worse. From Thiers to Hitler to Truman to pick almost any US president from Truman until now. Russia may be forced to completely polish off the Nazis this time.
I’m sorry but that just does not work anymore, diplomatic dialogue has turned into blatant disregard for anything Putin, Lavrov, and Zakharova have said to explain Russia’s position. The USA refuses to talk out their differences with Russia.
We have quite possibly seen a degradation so severe that USA would go as far as to censor (ie: mass banning cyrillic on twitter), ask NATO/UN to flood propaganda on it’s people (in fictional tv show, propaganda-news, video games, film, & radio), and repeatedly attack Russia – all while claiming Russia as the aggressor.
The emphasis of preparing all western axis (“allies”) for hate against Russia is with intention to send every fighting age man, woman, and trans identifying person to kill russians.
You answered your own question. Why? Money. America is largely a plutocracy now. The wealthy who are invested in the MIC need a major enemy … and Russia has been designated (although China is more and more in the running). At the next level down are the high-level managers, the careerists (the Nomenklatura). It’s a self-perpetuating system now. We have other corrupt systems … above all Banking, and Pharma, but they are not as relevant to foreign policy.
Thank You Saker for this very interesting open blog since a couple of days. Your views and that of the people here answering has lots of insight, and to some extend makes people like me still believe into the human race.
“Can the US be deterred?”
Short answer = No. Why not ?
The people running the show in the US are in some extend (in my humble view) satanist rich oligarchs and to the other extend bureaucrats.
The satanists can not be deterred, they hate this earth and their inhabitants, they want a new human race and insanely trying to create the “transhuman” post bible human (Soros, Gates, Schwab et al.).
The bureaucrats will not be deterred, because they are bureaucrats, never held accountable and never ever responsible for anything.
The question is, can they be “waken up” to see that their own existence is threatened ?
The satanists in my view = No
The bureaucrats in my view = Yes. But waking up bureaucrats takes a lot.
The other question is, is there a plan “B” by some rich other sane elites to take over the US in the case, when the first carrier groups sink and the military ports are hit by Poseidon ?
I don’t know, but that is where I would put a dime (not a dollar :-))
BR and thanks to all of you.
I have been thinking along the same lines with a slightly different take.
Blogger Charles Hugh Smith has a term for high level bureaucrats. He calls them the Clerisy. These are not ordinary paper pushers but the highly talented people who make any system work.
I have often thought (and hoped) that the American Clerisy might see where all this is headed. It is headed towards the destruction of America. And I think that a lot of them know it.
I am pretty sure that this is understood by the Clerisy in Europe. Yanis Varoufakis – who tried to get the EU to relent on impoverishing the Greeks – noted in his book “Adults in the Room” that a lot of high level functionaries in the EU would privately agree with him that destroying Greek society with unpayable debt service was not going to benefit anyone. The functionaries agreed. But they just didn’t have the clout to change the minds of those making the decisions.
I am sure it is the same in America. I am sure that a lot of the Clerisy sees the need for change but the oligarchy won’t allow it.
However, if the wheels start to come off that might change.
And I think that the wheels are starting to come off.
At least half the population now believe that the elections are rigged. Very large parts of populace trust neither the government nor the media. Many people are outraged that their children are being taught that “gender” is like a suit of clothes that can be changed at any time. And although the George Floyd protests were, in part, the virtue signaling of privileged middle classers, a lot of it was justifiable outrage about ongoing police brutality – not just against blacks but against everyone. Finally, the once admired “oligarchs” are increasingly seen as social parasites.
There is all this and a lot more – mass shootings, social alienation, crappy poor paying jobs, the ongoing destruction of the middle class and on and on and on.
If a major crisis hits there could be a massive movement towards real change – not Obama change but real change. And the clerisy might lead the way. And a crisis is coming.
Right now the only thing that is holding the country together is reserve currency status – the ability to print money to pay bills. But those in Washington are destroying that with a combination of insanely high deficits combined with the weaponization of the dollar. If reserve currency status collapse what is left of the economy will collapse with it. Then there will be change.
The only questions is this: Will that change come before the lunatics in Washington turn us all into radioactive dust?
Sophie Scholl “An end in terror is preferable to terror without end.”
Seen on twitter, thousands of ukies leaving the country to escape war.Many desert the batallions, some are killed by their owns mines.
It looks like a total rout is coming for the ukronazis.The ‘junta’ in Kiev will not survive.The 100 dollars question is: who will take over? Even worse extremists?
This might be even prefered by the US/NATO cabal. Keep in mind that depopulation is prevalent since the US/EU/NATO took over Eastern Europe. Less population means more free troop movement and easier war fighting.
Meddler you have already made this point – please stop the repetition. Thx. Mod.
Many underestimate the brain drain in Eastern Europe, i see this as a desired outcome for the US and NATO planers. Ukraine is depopulating fast and no population makes it easier for troops movement and warfare. All the US/NATO lackeys like Poland, the Nazi Balts, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Albania, and co are depopulating as their population continues to move towards the beloved West, that is subjugating them with economic imperialism as well. This might make US/NATO plans for war against Russia easier in their POV, as a lot of populations aren‘t needed to account for who might be against this. The same with Ukraine. Ukraine is loosing a million per year and the West can see this as a good situation, for more troop movement. Russia needs to strike fast in order to blow Western plans up.
When it comes to troop movement no army cares too much about the domicile population and especially so the American army well know for their atrocities and war crimes. The depopulation process is obvious but the reason the West are willing to take in the Eastern and Southern Europeans is to dilute the explosive mix of Arabs and extreme Islamists from the Caucasus who, let’s be honest, are not likely to break their backs working hard.
As we stand on the eve of what may be Operation Barbarossa II, it might be worthwhile to remember these wise & prescient words:
“Aggression is necessary and important in all aspects of statecraft. This does not mean a crude unyielding attack against all and sundry (this is not possible at the moment anyway) but a targeted, co-ordinated yet sub-threshold campaign.”
“For this to work, you must dispense with any hopes that you will ever be accepted as equals by the West.”
“Your adversary is neither superior nor supreme. His power rests on the pillage of ancient cultures and peoples and his time as the ruler of the world is coming to an end. That makes him dangerous but also prone to errors. Act like the brave guerrillas of old. Avoid direct punches (set battles) but fight back as fiercely as you can. It is not so much about results but attitude. He must know that any inimical moves will be costly and painful for him and his lackeys.”
Dec. 29th, 2020
“Not a Step Back” Saker Blog
Great explanation Saker. I had to chuckle at your improvised US/Russian dialogue. It perfectly portrays the Pindos mentality!
Interesting twist on the Polish angle. Have they made any actual movements? Will Belarus be forced to get involved? What about Hungary? If I were a Pindos or nazi in Ukraine, I would be moving towards the exit. One false move such as a fool firing on Sevastopol can and likely will ignite the powder keg. Thanks for your dedication to this topic. Very informative.
Yes, just take out the Uke / Polish / USA HQ headquarters, logically should stop them. But ..
“Can the US be deterred”
Most probably not.
Whatever is going to happen is most probably already decided, we are just seen (living through) different phases of that plan. This applies to the Russian side too.
I feel there is a very effective way to stop this entire Ukronazi attack in its tracks. The Ukranians are merely the attack dogs of the Americans, who are throwing them into the meat grinder. The Americans, in turn, are merely the attack dogs of the Israelis. Thus, if you have an attack dog being sent after you, one does not try to deter the dog – one deters its master.
Russia could announce the following 4 measures:
1)Russia is working with Iran to provide them with weapon systems, paid based entirely on credit, no money down up front, to be provided to them immediately, starting with the S-400 (maybe even announce the S-500, even though its not considered for export, just to scare the Israelis.
2)Russia is considering fully supporting Iran’s legitimate peaceful nuclear program, by providing them with nuclear expertise, scientists, technical designs, etc.
3)Russia is considering immediately supplying Iran with hypersonic missles, which will allow direct dtrikes against Europe, the continental United States – anywhere, really.
4)Russia is considering placing Iran beneath its nuclear umbrella as a nonproliferation measure. If Iran possesses nuclear deterrence, they will have no need to develop a weapon! Announce plans to have Russian nuclear weapons in hypersonic missles placed inside Iran, under Russian control.
The Israelis will lose their minds. Through diplomatic channels, make it clear to them that these measures will only be carried out if things in Ukraine deteriorate. See how quickly the Israelis order their American slaves to back off. Even better, after such an announcement, if Russia ‘merely’ provides Iran with defensive weapon systems, Israeli politicians will consider it a win for them!
I would couple such announcements with statements regarding Russian ckncern for the possibility of this escalating to nuclear war – at which point Russia should begin outlining exactly what would happen to Europe and the USA in the event of such a conflict. Empjasize the fact that Russia could luterally cover every square inch of the EU and USA in nuclear fireballs, publicly announce the location of the underground bunkers the elites hope to hide in, along with the nuclear bunker busters that will be used to kill everyone inside. make it clear the private bunkers in New Zealand and elsewhere are considered legitimate targets.
The Western elite needs to understand that they WILL die. As they do not believe in God or an afterlife, and live only for power and pleasure in this world, they are terrified of death. They have no morals – one cannot deter them with calls to decency. They only understand one language – the language of force. Speak in the only language they will respond to. Is this all a dramaric escalation, and represent a discarding of most principles of diplomacy? Yes – but it is the west that has already discarded such basic standards. There are no diplomatic relations left to lose. The important thing is to prevent conflcit – or, in the event of conflict, break the enemy’s will so it can be resolved quickly.
EnemyofEmpire, I think there is much truth in your analysis. Russia is up against the Western Capitalist Deep State, not the nation-states that are enthrall to them.
Nation states do not exist in the West, for quite a while.
They turned into hosts for parasites. Typical examples of hosts are EU, with its parasite (unelected bureaucrats in Brussels), and US with its parasite (AIPAC). Not much life left in those hosts.
Whatever the neocons say, few citizens of “the Shire” (Britain) the past year could possibly imagine that they still lived in a democracy.
Zerohedge is reporting that Ze has said the only way to avoid war in the Donbass is to get Ukraine into full NATO membership.
“No one wanted war. War was inevitable.” All guns are pointing at Russia. The action by the West raised the stakes the last six months. I believe Putin have had a long term plan to take back a big piece of Ukraine. The coming Days or weeks will shape a new reality, a new balance in Europe. Risks are high but the move is inevitable.
It would appear that you are underestimating the forces currently confronting Russia.
I keep reading NATO will do this, NATO will not do that, Ukraine are this, Ukraine are that, then how Russia will kick bottoms of all if pushed.
You make one (critical) mistake in your analysis – that of assuming NATO are a united block of ‘best-friends-forever’ who agree on all things, work together coherently, and act in lock-step, and most dangerously – that they will not confront Russia directly.
It should be clear to even the untrained eye that there are 3 NATO members that pull and drag the others around – The US, the UK, and Turkey (and it is these members who have their own agendas and regional ambitions – global in the case of the US of course.
These 3 nations are currently the most heavily involved inside Ukraine and in the Black Sea.
Firstly, the Black Sea is no longer a “Russian Lake”. It has not been a Russian lake for many years. Turkey, the UK, and the US now have almost as much control of the Black Sea as Russia.
Any analyst who has been watching the deployments (of serious firepower) inside the Black Sea states (and NATO members) of Romania, Bulgaria (Turkey should not need explaining) will have seen that Russian ships and subs, and even bases in Crimea (and the bridge) are highly vulnerable and exposed.
This exposure was highlighted when the US made the very audicious act of transfering a nuclear capable missile system for a “shoot and scoot” live fire demonstration to illustrate that “NATO” does not need to deploy a million tonnes of equipment to theatre to inflict massive damage on Russian forces:
The deployment of some of the most sophisticated anti-ship, anti-submarine, and anti-aircraft systems to the Black Sea (in the form of various warships or on shore radar systems – including the Aegis shore-based and sea born systems), and of course the very significant naval drone (including submarine) force that many choose to pretend NATO do not have – ensure that it is now the Russian fleet, not “visitors” who are sitting ducks in the Black Sea.
The US and UK have been acting as double act in Ukraine and the Black Sea – the US has been the right hand of a stage magician which everyone watches – moving high profile ships around, delivering equipment to fanfare and press coverage, talking up the situation, etc, whilst the British have been acting as the magicians left hand – the hand doing the tricks whilst everyone is watching the right hand.
Most people, despite the significant leaks of intel, are clueless to the level of support provided to Ukraine by the British.
It should be recognised that the British and the Americans are sworn (even before the post WW2 charter of qiote -“keeping the Germans down within Europe and keeping the Russians out of Europe”) to destroy the Russians – completely – in every way, so that nothing of the nation or the culture remains.
This desire for total, complete destruction – genocide – date back to WW2 and the countless plans to achieve this for “Operation Unthinkable” onwards:
Make no mistake – the British and American goals since “Operational Unthinkable” have NOT changed – the nation of Russia is marked for destruction, and indeed the British have recently gone so far as to break nuclear arms treaties to quote “contront Russian agression”.
Ukraine is a big trap for Russia – there are weapons and systems waiting for them few are even aware of. Russia of course know this – and is why Russia has not entered Ukraine and cut out the cancer that is growing – they know what has been planned for them. and they will not step into, no matter how much provocation short of direct military assault they are faced with.
To be clear – The US and UK plan to humiliate Russia and force them out of the Black Sea, out of Crimea, and back behind the Sea of Azov. Eventually they will also be forced out of Kaliningrad and the Baltic Sea.
Russia as a nation, a culture, and a people are facing genocidal maniacs. These maniacs have planning Russian defeat and destruction since the 1940’s and until the late 1990’s were proceeding quite well.
The only fear these genocidal maniacs have is of the Russian nuclear counterstrike – hence for now the plan to ‘simply’ use advanced conventional systems in Southern Europe.
Operation Unthinkable never went away – it was simply slowed down and adapted, but the US and UK still plan the total and complete eradication of the nation of Russia – either through surrender or through a long process of lots of slow burn wars, retreats from territory, and economic strangulation ultimately leading to a final (likely nuclear) that removes from history the nation of Russia.
Do you see now why Russia has not moved on Ukraine?
The answer to the question of whether or not they will be deterred is no, they won’t. The US has shown that it will not give up its goal of dismantling Russia. Only a significant defeat might, maybe, do that. Short of carving up the RF, they will continue to do whatever they can to weaken it until they succeed.
However, I agree that too many commentators here seem to assume that the US is not capable of enormous damage with its military. It’s always a mistake to underestimate your enemy. Short of all-out war, there is little the RF can do that doesn’t involve a direct military assault on Nato’s forces, except to keep arming its proxies and hope they prevail.
I, for one, am not so sure that time is on the side of the RF in this conflict.
Yes you are wise to point out the role of the UK and that you should never underestimate the opposition.
Indeed while is is only a gut feeling, I have long held the suspicion that even the invasion of Iraq was in fact UK led ie rather than Blair being the poodle it was Bush. It is I know just a suspicion but still I think the role of the UK cannot be ignored.
First of all, Russia has not been checked. That’s wishful thinking. Secondly, your statement “Turkey, the UK, and the US now have almost as much control of the Black Sea as Russia” is absurd. All ships in the Black sea are within range of Russian combat planes and coastal missiles, which can sink anything that floats. Thirdly, Russian ships, subs and bases are not “exposed” to Ukrainian missiles provided by the West. Anything that Ukraine fires the Russians can shoot down. As for the Aegis, you seem to forget what happened to the USS Donald Cook some years back. A Russian SU-24 disabled the Cooks Aegis system using the Khirbiny system, after which it flew over the Cook 12 times. After that the American destroyer turned around and fled to Romania, where 27 US sailors deserted.
“Do you see now why Russia has not moved on Ukraine?”
No, I don´t see. You must be the same commentator who painted dark clouds over Russia earlier – but with a slightly different name.
This brings my mind very similar posts, dating back to 2016 or -17, I don´t remember exactly, about Iran. Then it was about how western powers have trained attack on Iran secretly – and it will happen very soon, and Iran will be destroyed completely etc.
That didn`t happen – and something says to me that also now these predictions are not going to happen.
BTW, you said that Russians are aware about this perfidious plan? Then, in that case the only way to avoid coming destruction is to drop some really powerful nukes to London. Yes, to London, not to Tel Aviv, as some commenter here suggested.
To quote the girl in the taco commercial.
Why not both?
Disclaimer: I prefer the current Russian strategy …
Sure, Nato countries combined have more weapons than Russia, but what about the troops? Do you really think this western smartphone generation are capable to put on a heroic fight? These are not the generation of Operation Desert Storm or Shock and Awe.
Russia’s strength lies in it’s troops, tank batallions, electronic warfare and rockets. Russia’s electronic warfare capabilities are enough to take out (blinden) a complete Nato fleet (there has been an instance of that before in the Black Sea). You know what gave USSR the victory in WW2? Tank war.
Operation Desert Storm or Shock and Awe heroic? Jesus wept! That was not a fight against a peer force, it was the USA taking some shitty little country and smashing it against a wall. Those operations speak nothing good about the past prowess of US forces. Hell, I know Aussie and NZ veterans who reckoned the Yanks were hopeless back to the Korean and Vietnam conflicts. Volume over skill, Hollywood over truth is all there is really.
Actually Eagle Eye the Aussie troops thought the US were rubbish back in WWII. My father was once bombed by US planes.
A weakened Deutsche Afrika Korps gave the Yanks a real thrashing in Tunisia (Kasserine Pass) in 1943. Then they waited till mid ’44 to face a depleted wehrmacht after Russia had done the hard work grinding them jerries down. And they still got a real bloody nose from the retreating jerries.
“You know what gave USSR the victory in WW2? Tank war.”
Don’t think so. And neither did their Kachushas. And neither did their Air Force.
Foremost, my friend, it was their moral. Of course, above military material helped,
but without moral nothing would have worked. And what I see today is similar.
Moral of RF military is an order of magnitude greater then of any other western country including Ukraine. Moreover, this moral has been reinforced multiple times by the
successful defense in Georgian enclaves, stopping destruction of Syria and Donbas, etc,
Furthermore, having one of the best leadership ever recorded in written history, does not
hurt. Not to mention moral of the civilian sector seeing their country on the right path in this world.
Kapish? Tы понимаешь меня?
Mr. Russia Checked…….
Russia has not moved on Ukraine BECAUSE this gambit is NATO’s.
The STAVKA is preparing a “Kursk” moment for the putshists and their handlers… If you don’t understand what that is…. brush up on your history….
Maskirovka is the abiding watch word.
If the US has all the power and might you mention, please explain how Iran attacked 4 NATO bases in Iraq from it’s homeland, destroyed those facilities it chose to, and NATO fired nary a shot in reply.
Instead of you, I’ll go with Andrei Martynov’s assessment.
NATO’s ship launched SHGMs are sub sonic. They are cannon fodder for Russia’s AAA. NATO ships in the Black and Baltic Seas are under constant surveillance. They can’t sneeze without being noticed. Opening the hatches of the missile batteries, means being sunk within minutes.
The shoot and scoot batteries mentioned, will fire how many times before the supporting forces are destroyed.
There is also something that need be said. Russia has warned NATO to stand down. If they don’t their forces will be destroyed. Article 5 won’t apply because they initiated hostilities. Russia will make it plain that all NATO citizens are hostage to NATO’s good behaviour. (removed language,MOD) UP AND DIE!!
Russia is not going to initiate hostilities. She will equip Novorossian forces with loitering munitions for the purpose of degrading the putschist’s heavy weaps. She will equip Novorossian forces with artillery, tanks, and BMPs to enable them taking everything east of the Deniepr. She will send volunteers, and advisors.
Only at the very last, should all else fail, will she attack.
This is her strategy, not her weakness.
Don’t take the kool-aid….
“NATO” does not need to deploy a million tonnes of equipment to theatre to inflict massive damage on Russian forces:
Lets see what Mr. David wrote in Forbes:
“The C-130s flew the HIMARS to Romania. The crews unloaded, set up at a Romanian training range, fired rockets into the Black Sea, then drove back to the airfield, loaded back onto the C-130s and flew home to Germany.”
Maybe I am missing something but…
Wouldn’t be much simpler to launch cruise
missile(s) or even glide bomb from airplane?
Instead of carrying/unloading two 16+ ton trucks?
Even Wille E. Coyote would comeup with better plan. Like hangin trucks from pylons and fire rocket from there. No airfield near frontline needed.
Seriously, emergence of stunts like this means that NATO planners are desperately out of viable options. It looks like somebody gave them impossible task and demand results at any cost.
Kind of looks like the kind of stunt you might read in a comic book, doesn’t it?
But hold on a moment – this Forbes writer on military affairs, David Axe, is a former graphic novelist aka a writer of comic books!
The satire really writes itself these days.
Agree….surely Poland and pals are planning to try and block Baltic to Russia….surely western press would celebrate the Russians are so contained…..too many choke points available…..north sea….the channel as well. Would Russia blockade access to Black Sea for Nato even temporarily….or Nato blockade Russian navy permanently……….
Even deluded narcissistic demigod parasites have weak points for they are mortal. What would threaten them to the point where they scream “stop!”? Are they legion? Do they have high value sites that can be leveled with a Khinzal? The equivalent of Ali Baba’s cave of treasure turned into gold splatter and ash.
Maybe the fear of financial loss might deter them since they love nothing except wealth.
As an aside, in the previous threads others think that the empire will catch up with RF tech in a couple of years. With the money black hole history of the F35 scam and this contractor gravy train joke of a missile, I don’t think so:
Thanks everyone for all the great comments, posts!
A bit of a digression here…
Why doesn’t Russia blockade entry into the Black Sea? With their missile capability it seems that this wouldn’t be too difficult. Just announce to the world…”As of tomorrow at noon, we will blow to smithereens any and all ships attempting to enter the Black Sea without our prior permission…”
That’s a possibility but nobody’s (Nato) making any major moves yet and I doubt they will — barring any accidents Ukrainians are going to do the dying on behalf of US/Nato in this encounter. Besides I think RF wants to limit the battlefield to perhaps 100 km west of the line of contact in the Ukraine.
Russia should retain the moral high ground. No need to break international law, particularly when anything in the Black Sea is a sitting duck.
Russia needs to be able to exit the Black Sea into the Med much more than NATO needs to enter the Black Sea.
Like Dmitry Peskov said, the situation in Donbass is frightening.
Maybe it’s just me but why hasn’t anybody called for a meeting of the Security Council to discuss the matter? Vietnam’s the chair at the moment. RF will have an opportunity to articulate very explicitly how it intends to respond to any Ukrainian aggression on Donbass or Crimea then, and to hell with the consequent yapping of being a bully or thug emanating from FUKUS ambassadors. And at the very least it’ll shine a spotlight on the region internationally.
Can the US be deterred? Sadly for the Ukrainian forces, no.
They are going to get a taste of Russian resolve and firepower that they will not forget. No displays of bravado, ‘whoo’ahs’, arrogance or strutting from bemedalled soldiers from the RF chief of general staff downwards. Just plain, cool, calculated military professionalism.
Yes. This should be bought up at the UN. Even if it may be ignored by most of the Western media if things escalate in Donbas/Crimea it will be documented it was engineered by the West.
Saker, your post puts to shame Alexander Mercouris’ youtube video today putting a lot of stock into the joint French-German communique. I’m just about done watching anything that he puts out. He is really naive and because of that useless. France and Germany, as signers of both the Minsk Agreements and the JCPOA, have done nothing to restrain the US. Does Mercouris really believe that the Ukronazis and its US backers care one iota what these two countries think. I dare say no.
Let us take a minute for reflection. Everybody wants Russia to slaughter the orcs and nazis. Most of the dying will be done by Christion Slavic conscripts who were jerked out of their homes or off the street because they were not smart or fast enough or lacked the funds to get the hell out. The last place most of them want to be is in a hole facing NovaRussia, wonder why drug abuse and suicides are rampant. There are no Jews in the front lines, they are behind in the punisher battalions. Bolshevicks just doing what they have always done, slaughter as many Christians as they can. Ever wonder if maybe this isnt one of the reasons for the upcoming war? Maybe we should say a prayer for those boys who want nothing more than to go home. Russia needs to save as many of those as possible instead of slaughtering them and yes Russia will have to sooner or later do something, the sooner the better.
As for deterring the US, I have a problem with this as far as making it sound like there is only one entity behind the mayhem. In 1913 we here in the US lost or sovereignty with the signing of the Federal Reserve Act. We became a vassal of the Anglo- Zionst Empire lock stock and gun barrel, we are no less a vassal than Germany or France or any of the other Euro statelets without any say in what our politicians do in our name, fuck them, corrupt, traitorous, evil bastards one and all. We are ruled from behind the scenes, two party system my ass, they are both cheeks of the same ass groveling for handouts from the masters of the Anglo – Zionist Empire. Trump did this, diaper Joe did that, nope sorry, presidents are nothing more than hood ornaments, puppets on a string and our children and grandchildren are no less cannon fodder then those Ukrainian kids in Donbass with one exception ours are volunteers for which I blame the moronic parents not grasping the concept that our military is nothing more than the enforcement arm of the central banking system. Teach your children well. Sorry for the language and off topic rant.
Can the Anglo – Zionist Empire of death destruction and chaos be deterred, no, they have been advancing their agenda for centuries (read up on the Rothchilds) and will not stop until someone kicks them in the nuts and knees them in the face, they have to be destroyed. And where are we to look, try Brussels, Tel Aviv, London and DC and the big banks located therein. A poster on Zhedge always leaves off with this catchy little saying: All wars are bankster wars!
Know Thine Enemy
A couple of days ago I’ve watched an interview with a Serbian volunteer in Donbas who return recently to protect the young republic.
He was asked a question whether he was thinking about pure guys on the other side that would be killed.
His answer was that in war there are no emotions and anybody who takes the arms for killing civilians in Donbas or his brothers (in arms) is to be terminated.
With clean conscience and absolutely no regret whatsoever.
Those “boys” on the other side have a choice which is to refuse to take arms and fight.
If they are afraid of doing it more than attacking Donbas then they can’t expect mercy.
There is no way to know the motivation of the specific enemy solder, so as long they are holding arms and shooting (at you) they will be treated equally i.e. as a mortal enemy to be destroyed.
You mean the interview of Deki Beric talking to school kids in Donetsk?
Vid linked here for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-178vVfnNRQ
No, I mean this one https://youtu.be/hSGoc8n3q5Q
Durlin, I’ve read every post on this thread and yours by far is the most accurate and sober of the whole and true situation facing all of us.
Thanks for your honesty and accuracy.
I see some anti Poles narrative, so I would like to replay to them.
First I would like to thank you the saker for a blog. You opened my eyes on many things and force me to look at things from another angle.
I would like to tell to some of you that most Poles know nothing about situation in Ukraine. Zero, nada. There is no information here. 99% of Poles are totally opposed to any War with Russia or any military support to Ukraine
I get it that you blame Poland for many things but just to remind you we were not on the map for 123 years (1795-1914) and then were totally destroyed during 2ww and then were under soviet occupation from 1945-1989(which wasn’t nice at all) just to get under USA neoliberal occupation. I don’t say it to play a victim but force you to think how big impact it could have on people’s consciousness and views and state structures.
Before you guys dislike Poles, keep in mind that our government (i wouldn’t say it’s our, rather our country was hijacked by empire ) don’t represent will of majority of people (the same for usa and most of the countries)
I would like to remind you that 99% people here wanna just live their life in peace as probably most people in the world.
I mention in another post that I would like to translate this blog to Polish language and I’ll do it. Just need a bit of time. I strongly believe that it could help improve relations between Poland and Russia.
Maybe Putin will give west-Ukraine and Lithuania to you Poles:) When this is over, then everything will be great again – after this neoliberal/conservative nightmare ends.
Sorry but even in some more sane country the percentage of the insane people is more than 1%. In Poland the percentage is far higher if we count russophobia as a sign of insanity.
I’m living in another historically russophobic nation just over the sea and know the sentiment among the majority of the people here regarding Russia be it due to fairy tales from the history, indoctrination through education, continuous propaganda since forever, close military ties with Nato, economic dependency to the USA or all together.
I’m pretty confident it is similar in Poland if not worse.
You can claim that your leaders are not representative, but they won elections on among the other things russophobic rhetoric. There is no opposition worth the name that oppose such a rhetoric.
Poland is the most vocal and rabid supporter of anything anit-Russian. Poland is a center for anti-Russian subversive activities and in any and every forum express russophobia be it Nato, OSCE or EU. It is begging for more Nato troops and offering its land for any military base that would counter Russia.
So you are either very naïve or just refuse to accept the sad truth about your fellow citizens.
“You can claim that your leaders are not representative, but they won elections on among the other things russophobic rhetoric.”
I live in Finland, and even though population here is not exactly russophobic in general – and also most of our leaders want good relations with Russia – the problem is media. Media is so twisted here that people have no idea about what kind of representatives they are voting. Here are no real alternatives. Our political elite is forced to follow western narrative, even if they not wanted to do it. Those who represent the true opposition have no chance to get to the corridors of power.
I suspect that in Poland the situation is a bit similar. Probably their leaders are paid by Washington and supported by MSM. In a such situation it`s impossible to try to change course by voting.
I was in Poland in early -90s and liked the country. I especially remember a small village in the countryside. In opposite to Warsaw – which was at that time a bit of a ghost town – the village was lively and prosperous. But not in a way “prosperous” is understood in the decadent West. No fancy cars, high-end boutiques, or shops selling newest computer and phone models etc. Instead I got an impression that people were happy and that they had everything they need for a good life.
I have never been in Poland after that, but I can imagine how much the country has changed after western “democracy” and “prosperity” stepped in.
And now their elites are paying it by “hating” Russia.
I’m really not familiar with details of the situation in Finland, but my understanding is that Finland has no larger historical issues with Rusia. Hack, you’ve got your independence from Russia not from Sweden.
Russian are respecting Finns for their fighting spirit and has basically no quarrel with you despite winter war and ww2 (more or less call it even).
Finland has had good relationship with the USSR and even bought (voluntary) a large part of its weapon from the USSR. Finland is (still) not part of the Nato and Russian company owns I believe the largest shipyard in Finland and is giving Finland a huge shipbuilding contract to you. Your state policy is not to harass Russians, its companies, orthodox church or suppress Russian language or media. Both NS1 and NS2 were smoothly negotiated with Finland.
You have still internal problem regarding treatment of left after the civil war.
Finland is never, as far as I know, invaded Russia except for participating in ww2 on German side.
So I would say the situation is quite different compared to Poland which is and as far as history goes always been hostile to Russia.
In Finland as in whole west you (we) are been indoctrinated by the MSM but while in Finland it is mostly MSM in Poland (and Sweden) it is everything else too.
Finnish politicians are for the most part sane and sound persons who understand that its strong neighbor with the longest border Russia won’t go anywhere and that you have nothing to win with confrontation but everything with cooperation.
So just because you are lucky for living in such country you can’t generalize on the other countries.
Just one additional thing:
I would like to compare Poland in regard to Russians to Croatia in regard to Serbs.
The second similarity is the Catholic Church.
You can visit Croatia as tourist and most probably you are going to meet nice hard-working people (with its oligarchs and corruption, but that is another story) and be warmly welcomed.
You don’t understand the language, so you would never notice serbophobic sentiment.
Half of my family are Croats, some live in Bosnia (not Herzegovina which unlike Croats from Bosnia is very serbophobic), some in Croatia some all around the world, so I have pretty good insight.
I strongly believe it is similar with Poland and Russians. As a foreign tourist you are going to love the country and people and won’t notice anything strange.
Hello Arek —
I wanted to thank you for your comment as you made several excellent points. There have been some rude generalizations about Poles (and several other nationalities as well) so it was good you spoke up.
As an American who is completely disgusted by the U.S. dominated neoliberal Empire, I know what it feels like to live in a country where you have zero influence over its pathological ‘leaders’. The U.S. maintains the facade of a Democracy, but in reality nearly all decisions are made to benefit ‘our’ oligarchs and their financial interests.
As to the war, I hope it can be avoided but it appears the Ukrainians, shoved by the U.S. and NATO, are determined to launch one and “reconquer” areas lost during the 2014 putsch.
More ominously, the actual point of the current attack on the LPR and DPR, which the Ukrainian military is likely to lose, may be to galvanize Ukraine’s full entry into NATO. That will be extremely threatening to Russia when they start the next war on the Russian border in a couple of years — after incorporation into NATO.
If there’s war, I’ll be pulling for the Russian people as they are fighting in self-defense against the real Evil Empire. But let’s hope as few of the 99% die as possible — including those hapless Ukrainian conscripts being used as cannon fodder.
If the war starts, it seems that Russia must go for a decisive victory and a strategic reset in Ukraine, one that will make a third attack impossible — or at least vastly more difficult. Simply repelling the Ukrainian forces and maintaining the status quo is probably not viable. Ukraine — whatever is left of it — is going to be gang-pressed into NATO as a permanent menace to Russia.
Does that mean securing land access to Crimea? Taking Mariupol or Odessa? Moving to the Dnieper River so Russians can throw beer cans at the Ukrainian Rada from across the river? No idea if anything so daring is being considered but Russia is already in NATO’s crosshairs and facing an existential threat from the Evil Empire.
One of the last merry gentleman to invade Russia, Field Marshall Hermann Goering, offered this surprisingly frank assessment of the 99% during his interview at the Nuremberg Trials:
“Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
“People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
Best of luck to you, Arek. Stay safe and let’s hope zero Poles die and the conflict stays in Eastern Ukraine, ending quickly — with the collapse of the UkroNazi regime in Kiev.
Also wishing some sort of collapse into sanity will occur in Paris, Berlin, London and Washington, too, but that seems far less likely.
You make many valid points. And yes, “the Poles”, like 98.5% people in every country just want to live and let live.
Just like the wars of last century, people on all “sides” are being manipulated into a conflict that absolutely none want.
As “we” collectively (the 99.999% who are not aware and don’t seem to care) have learnt nothing from all the wars and “skirmishes”and false narrative of last century, it seems “we” are doomed for a re-run.
Or in Hollywood terms a “remake”…… newer, fresher actors, better CGI, but the same plot line.
Thanks for offering your perspective. What you say is a truth.
Don’t worry. Poland will not be slapped or punished, especially by Russia, just for the sake of demonstration and proving a point alone. People on Russian side seem very reasonable. Now, your leaders may take some beating, but the nation will not simply be run over, simply because Russia can do it.
Offering independent information to the Polish public on Polish is a great idea. If you want to do translations from English into Polish, I recommend to use the German translation program http://www.deepl.com/translator. It is free and the results are significantly better than from the Google translater.
Nevertheless you of course will have to make some corrections afterwards.
Can the U.S. be deterred? Of course not. But it will stumble over its own two feet, and land face flat on the floor.
For some reason I keep being reminded of the situation before WWI. Thousands and thousands of books were written about how and why that crazy war broke out (and we know there was serious competition among the colonial powers as Germany was upgrading and building their navy thus threatening English control over the seas and colonial loot). Yet, in retrospect, when we read about the terrible cost in lives of that war it is difficult to understand “what on earth got into them”, or more significantly, “what the heck was it all about?”.
Beyond the wise analysers of all things geopolitics and strategies and competition between big powers, there are people. Plain regular people who just want to carry on with their lives. It is these people who end up sacrificing and when it came to WWI it is quite clear now that it was pretty much for naught. A senseless war carried on for domination at first, and then continuing out of inertia.
So my worry is that we are seeing the same kind of drum rolls and signs indicating that the “movers and shakers” are just itching for a good ol’ fight, and never mind the people. Not the Russians of course – they are itching mostly to continue about their business. But we have a hegemon with crazy people and moronic thinkers at the top who just can’t abide a peaceful world. Unfortunately, too many of those we know as “neocons” (in every one of the Anglo countries) have ancestors from Russia/Ukrain/Poland and they continue to bear the torch for getting revenge over some pogroms in the 19th century. That’s what animates many of the ‘crazies”.
When up against crazy, unfortunately reason is a blunt edged weapon. And that’s what I’d be worried about.
WWI escalated because the Serbs were intransigent vis a vis the Austro-Hungarians, who wanted retribution for the assination of Prince Ferdinand, and the Czar wanted control of the Dardenelles.
The Czar mobilized to deter the Austrians. The Germans partially mobilized to deter the Russians. This was before air reconaissance, horses still pulled carts. Lots of lag time between events and the opposition knowing what happened. The Germans had long ago adopted the Schlieffen plan, which called for an attack on France FIRST, and through Belgium. In those days armies moved by rail. Mobilization plans involved thousands of rail movements (trains) which had to be coordinated to avoid chaos, all that was worked out in advance.
The Kaiser resisted going to full mobilization, which gave fits to the general staff, because they had no plans for one. So, they slo mo’ed mobilization, but regardless, the troops were going west not east, and the Russian threat lay to the east. Eventually, they mobilized.
This was noticed by the Russians, who attacked before they could be attacked. The war was on.
“WWI escalated because the Serbs were intransigent vis a vis the Austro-Hungarians”
Please try to think strategically.
France was the enemy of England for centuries. Germany was its ally. No one was more pleased with the occupation of Paris by the Prussians than the English.
By 1905, the English ruling class and their Jewish financial class felt threatened by the economic success of a united Germany. They switched alliances. They became allies of the French – “Entente Cordiale”. At the same time, they brought Imperial Russia onside. Belgium was not a neutral country as they planned for a British expeditionary force to arrive.The idea that the assassination of an archduke started the war is total nonsense. Anyway, the British financed the Serbian assassins.
WW1 was planned long before 1914. The same people were behind the two Boer Wars. Churchill was their stooge. Suggested reading:
“Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War”
I also strongly suggest “Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time” by Carroll Quigley
Sputnik is reporting that an Iranian merchant ship may have been hit by an Israeli missile.
“Some Arab media say that the ship may have suffered “great damage.” Scattered reports coming out of Israel claim it may have been hit by an Israeli missile. Neither Iran nor Israel have officially commented on the incident. Anonymous US officials speaking to Reuters denied any role in the incident.”
Beginning of a full court press by the Western Deep State?
Unfortunately posturing and half measures are not going to help in my opinion. In a fight you can try to dissuade the adversary by appearing big and unyielding but these guys are intending to take a swing at you and see how you react. The question is Is Russia ready to handle that blow? or is it still in denial and saying they can’t possibly hit us?
In all fairness, Mr. Saker, some of us LGBTQ+ types, even in the USA, are horrified by the ignorant and reckless behavior of the USA and the Ukraine. Granted, we may be a minority . . .
For people like you I learned and accepted that genres are nothing more than a social construct, so thanks. I hope one day we all understand that freak is not related to that genuine choice.
I was wondering when the Saker would get describing the nature of Washington. Yes, what he describes is exactly the way it is there though there are realists in and around power. Part of the power struggle we are seeing in the West is the conflict between corporate oligarchs vs. the Deep State. Let’s hope the jugglers of Wall Street and the City of London wake up and see that the toxic culture or Washington must be taken down a few pegs–survival is at stake. The other side of this is the politics of Eastern Europe which has been cultivated as an ally of the Deep State and they may well hold the world hostage.
If Poles move their battalions into Western Ukraine, Russian military intervention is the least plausible scenario. Why on earth would Russians intervene against Poles in Ukraine? Makes no sense, legally or militarily.
You obviously don’t know your history.
Poles entering the FSU is a red flag.
That happens, all bets are off…
Expect The Suwalki Gap to be crossed, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia to be overwhelmed, and ethnic cleansed.
Vistula Bridges, power plants, ports, airfields and Warsaw to be destroyed.
Not a good idea, that..
Poloneses e franceses sempre levam outra bandeira de reserva na mochila…
Poles and French always carry another reserve flag in their backpack …
Can this be stopped? No. The Committee running the USA wants to hurt Russia . This is how they think: If Russia takes over Ukraine then that would be fine because it would have a bloody mess to deal with and if Russia is wounded ( I’d watch the Far East port of the Pacific Fleet) or pushed back in some way that would put it in a position to be perpetually harassed then that is even better. Either way, also, the American people can be further oppressed with taxes and emergency shut downs under the guise of “Russian Threat”.
I would wager that the military/political leadership has 3 or 4 scenarios and plans to profit from whatever happens.. They feel inviolate in their grandiosity and the thought of actually having to suffer themselves never crosses their mind. They are delusional, self referential and a danger to life on earth.
Ukronazis or Europeans dying in droves isn’t at all a concern for TPTB, and American lives are a relatively minor concern, but Saker, I think you’re underestimating the influence of large corporations (financial mainly) on foreign policy. If a major war turns out to be bad news for the stock market etc then there will be massive pressure to de-escalate.
I hope that the Russia administration know that this is where it will really hurt and will apply additional pressure somehow.
“If a major war turns out to be bad news for the stock market etc then there will be massive pressure to de-escalate”
In March 2020, the NWO people tried to crash Wall Street. It failed – much to their horror. All the big boys like Bill Gates and Schwab sold off their shares in December 2019. The virus nonsense is the last string in their bow. If this fails, look forward to lots of lampposts bending under their weight. :)
Nothing would please the NWO crowd more than the stock market crashing. Their project is to destroy the present economy. To make people desperate so that they can turn them into their slaves. Masks and fake vaccines forever. Constant surveillance. Take a look at “Ice Age Farmer”
Todos os treinamentos de uma semana que fiz quando no Exército foram em noites sem Lua ou, com pouca Lua.
Tanto faz se as estradas estão secas ou molhadas.
A mesma coisa se presta à aquisição de topos, locais altos para visualização.
Mesmo insignificantes, a ordem era tomar qualquer colina.
All the weeklong training I did when in the Army was on nights without a moon or, with little moon.
It doesn’t matter if the roads are dry or wet.
The same goes for the acquisition of tops, high places for viewing.
Even insignificant, the order was to take any hill.
(Google Tradutor) – :-/
The only language that Americans understand is this: To be on the receiving end of the terror that it has inflicted around the world.
Americans are fanatically arrogant as they are devious. Indeed, these two attributes are fundamental American values–not their fake freedom or democracy.
So to answer the question: Can the USA be deterred?
Only, if America is threatened with its complete and utter destruction as a nation.
Exactly, as I’d mentioned before, cut off the head of the snakes. No one on this earth wants to die a useless death (enriching others), fighting in a useless war (enriching others). Those 0.0002% that favor war, who sits in their luxury homes, enjoying luxury foods and drinks, let them experience what war means in the truest sense. None of these a-holes will truly understand until someone puts their own life and family at risk.
… plus what exactly does Ukraine gain by getting involved in a major war against Russia? Donbass? They can’t even administer the current Ukrainian territories well (with major decline in almost everything) and now they want to get involved in a suicidal conflict? Is there no one in the Ukraine capable of logical thoughts? Have their human intelligence degraded to the simian level? Have they not seen what happened in Syria? Wake up people of the Ukraine.
If war happens, as per modus operandi, there will be a false flag planned to justify Ukrainian/NATO actions and frame Russia as the “evil” guy, look for it. Perhaps even another MH17 farce.
As for “unscheduled bilateral talks”, Russia is too smart to believe that anything the US agrees to is actionable.
One thing missing from all these discussions is China, which is all but officially allied with Russia. The US created this alliance by incessantly bullying both.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. When the bully picks on one …
Just my 2 cents from a different perspective. Markets and particularly the ‘smart money’ are usually (but not always) quite savvy in these situations. Gold hasn’t made any impulsive moves and is still trending down overall, the VIX (a measure of stock market volatility and therefore fear) is on the floor and oil is down. If war is imminent no-one’s betting on it that’s for sure.
Mohammad, por enquanto estão olhando o próprio umbigo.
A louca impressão do FED, algumas quebras, algumas perdas internas.
Covid-19 também incluso, os “Mercados” estão voltados tão e somente para o deleite interno.
São os componentes da Orquestra do Titanic…
Mohammad, for now they are looking at the navel itself.
The crazy impression of the EDF, some breaks, some internal losses.
Covid-19 also included, the “Markets” are focused solely on internal delight.
They are the components of the Titanic Orchestra …
As a Trump supporter, the Saker is right when he implies that Trump had lousy advisors in foreign policy. His own Rino senators would not vote to approve any ‘America first’ advisor. Trump was stuck with having to hire nuts like John Bolton and McMaster. And then his own advisors helped impeach him because of the Ukraine phone call. Trump was forced to take the wrong side in a conflict America had no business being a part of at all.
NATO behaves with such arrogance because they have no intention to actually fight any real war. They hope the traitors on the inside will do the job.
So yes, they can be deterred if the fifth and the “sixth” column are dealt with.
Maybe vapourise Guam, then try talk sense?
Really appreciate this site, Saker & commenters, one of the best aroynd imho!
It is hard to know who is in charge in the White House, since Biden seems to have dementia. In Syria, Russia was able to work through contacts with the U.S. military, but would this work in Ukraine?
Most Americans may not have a clue about Ukraine, because it is not in the news. This may be what the White House prefers.
On a pessimistic note as far as peace is concerned, the ambassador of RF is not back to the US and not planned to go there soon.
To deter the US and its European partners, it is better for Russia to instead of getting involved in a useless war against a cheap Nazi ideology – a paid army by the NATO designed as a headache for Moscow, it might be much better, help the Yemeni people and militants with better weapons and logistics so that they can make life very difficult for US’ main bases in KSA, Bahrain, UAE,… and or declare a no-fly-zone and other war zones around western parts of Indian Ocean all the way to the Suez canal. After all if Russia is getting ready for war why not hit the US where it hurts.
Can the U.S. be deterred? Well of course, it has been done many times by Russia alone. I would love to see a survey map of the Donbass basin. I am curious about the geography of this area and where the low to highland positions are. Would Ukrainian forces march towards the higher land and be taking artillery fire from three sides? No responsible commander would ever follow such an order as this would be a suicidal sacrifice. The Empire would sacrifice as many Ukrainians as it would take to get a conflict they desire, trust that. Isn’t the leader of Ukraine a comedian or something? Ukrainians must have a strange sense of humor.
“I would love to see a survey map of the Donbass basin. I am curious about the geography of this area and where the low to highland positions are. ”
This information is obvious of greatest importance. I spent some time search and this is the best I could come up with.
It is pretty obvious why Mariupol was considered indefensible and abandoned by the “rebels”
As others have, I would like to thank The Saker for providing this discussion forum and thread.
Please forgive my brevity.
1. The global “useless eater reduction program” is losing momentum.
2. “Plan B” needs to be activated as quickly as possible to keep the global financial elite’s “train” moving down the track.
3. Striking the Ukrainian “match” may be the answer.
As an American it saddens me to see how my country’s “leadership” has decided to be on the wrong side of most all global issues these days.
Amazing patience that Putin, Lavrov and the RF have with our absolutely clueless, yet belligerent “leaders”.
Having read most of the five recent threads I’m still missing comments on the essential fact that there is no correlation between reality and narrative. “If it’s not on TV it didn’t happen!”
This blog, and most of The Saker’s writings, seems to be focused on reality (which is appreciated!) and less on how the more or less inventive narratives used by the West to describe what is going on, both in the Ukraine and in the world as a whole, are created and disseminated.
Reading Martyanov makes it a bit easier to understand where these narratives come from, but it doesn’t change the essentials of the status quo: Russia (or the entire “Zone B” really) are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to the creation of a viable “Story for our times” that appeals to a global audience, which is under constant pressure from the slick communicators of the West. Russia might be doing ok in the diplomatic, economic and kinetic wars, but is getting their asses kicked in the informational one.
The components of what could be a competing Russian narrative are not being displayed to their full potential because of the lack of communications traction. What are the jaded populations of the West dreaming about now that they are locked up and swimming in a sea of debt and meaninglessness? There might be a flicker of defensive action coming in from RT and Sputnik, but no consistent grand story about a future that makes sense to the huddled masses.
Any thoughts on why?
Because (((those))) who are really controlling the “West” via its political leadership also have an entirely disproportionate hold over the mainstream western media.
Sadly it is that simple.
This is very sad but true. As I commented here already, living in France but watching different news sites, I have the impression that not only the UK has “Gag”orders: a ban on certain discussions by the press. Not a single news about this situation on the main state TV in France (Antenne2) since at least the start of Russian troop movements. I’m searching twice a day to say what they will say: nothing! The same as in 2014 when people were killed in Odessa. Today I only found one item: Oueust-France journal, blaming the Russians:
They also denounce the fake news from Tass, writing about a child of 5 killed.
When I searched some days ago in German newspapers online, found very few also, but the one from Die Welt :
When reading the comments sector, many agreed with Russians or Russian-speaking Ukrainians positions (restrictive laws against their language). The likes under those comments were much higher than under the comments lamenting Russian aggression. So most Germans know better.
Reading one comment here about the plan of Westerns Press and Politicians to go to the Ukraine, I expect a sudden, coordinated media spectacle about “the bad Russians” and “good Ukrainians” to come soon.
I followed all this since 2013, wrote about the consequences, but even now I have to argue with my own family, who keep parroting the “official narrative” and see most as “Russian disinformation”. There is long way to go.
I’ve read many of the comments (Not all) but I didn’t read anyone noting something significant for me? So I could have missed it!
Putin has said in absolute terms……. Keep your hands off Crimea! …… And he has referred in the changed Constitution to the heritage of Russia to be part of that Constitution…….. And he excoriated Poland for trying to rewrite the history of what Russians did in WW2?
So in my opinion if the blind hating Fascists of Poland and the other Roman Christion Nations hell bent on eradicating Byzantine Orthodoxy decide to sacrifice the Neapolitan Ice-cream of Ukraine then Putin in my view will not hold back!
He is intent on letting the dopes in Washington blunder so Russia cannot be blamed although it will in the West and China has unequivocally sent the message to those mangy individuals at Anchorage… The game you play is finished!
You see both Africa and South America are standing watching and there is a lot of them?
It’s my view and I’m just a dopey old Australian……. Putin will take that part of Ukraine to the Dnieper River and possibly a sweep down to Odessa.
If he lets the Kievan-Rus die then he will be dragged by the ears (He’s half bald) into the street and hung from the nearest pole? ……….It’s not going to happen!
I don’t believe in Father Xmas although the Russians do and celebrate it in January?
Ukraine is a potential quagmire for either the US or Russia depending on which play the better cards.
Now which would it be? Would Ukraine becomes Vietnam or Afghanistan or both?
But if I put on Sun Tze, I would be rubbing my hands in glee at the US backed military buildup by Bandarastan.
Saker: Apologies ahead of tme for asking this question: What do you think about the idea of the so-called “alien invasion” ploy to bring about one world government, as proposed by Dr. Carol Rosin (Founder of the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space) in the US after her alleged warnings from Dr. Werner Von Braun in the 1970s in this regard?
Seems like a lot of news lately about “aliens” and related technology being released from the US. Is the timing with the extreme rise in global tensions, militarily, just coincidental? Are there any dots to connect?
Would China use an Uncle Schmuel attack in the Ukraine as an opportunity to re-take Taiwan? The ability of the USA to diplomatically and militarily respond to a Ukrainian military conflict involving Russia and simultaneously deal with a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be the collapse of USSA on the world stage. Unfortunately the USSA would over-react by threatening and then having to use tactical nukes.
Is it all bluff by the West ?, maybe it’s just like taunting, taunting for a fight but never crossing the red line .
Maybe it’s an experiment to goad the Uki’s into action using their latest US weaponry & studying the defensive measures taken by the Bear for future repeats & defended weaponry characteristic analysis .
The US does’nt think twice about expending lives of its allies for their own future benefits.
The US. false flag history is rich with evidence of this.
Q: Is it all bluff by the West ?
A: Hell yes! Not the Russophobia, which is the only ”sort of genuine” manifestation there is to all the West’s funny screamfests, but everything else is bluffing for sure. The hasbara works on the reliable principle of Western cretinism — the latter allowig the successful use of the same old scripts and disinformation crap to keep Western public opinion in thrall, loyal and faithful.
If there were such overwhelming evidence (there isn’t) of an imminent future of doom and gloom, the very similar Western stunt last year in Belarus would have paved the way for it. It flopped utterly and, most significantly, it did so in a relatively small, landlocked country with the very same swearing and barking pack camping right across the border in Gównopolska and Lithuania and with traitors demonstrating in the streets of Minsk. Putin was instrumental in defeating the nonsense together with Lukashenko and with the support of a vast popular majority in Belarus. Looking at Ukraine, it is depopulating fast which means its territory can be taken — either by Russia or by Poland. My bet is on the former. NATO is bluffing and the best way to call the bluff is by plain resolve.
Maybe an indirect treat to Israel can be used to stop this war.
Some commitment to help Iran, or open intention to sell weapons to Iran.
“Fifty years ago, the streets of Leningrad taught me one thing: If a fight’s inevitable, you must strike first.”
V.V. Putin, 2015
Maybe this time Russia will not wait. I would say that if Russia does not eliminate the nazis running Kiev, then Ukraine will be asked to join NATO in the near future. Better to make sure that does not happen, no?
vladimir should do the first strike and not wait. he has in his possession that no other country has – working hypersonic weapons. russia is on the upper hand in advance weapons and should not wait for the US to catch up or when that happens, there’s no waiting time for the americans but attack without notice. vladimir can incenerate washington and other command centers at will anytime.
Refreshing my Southfront tab sometimes reveal interesting events.
Might this be an asymmetrical deterrent move? It would be nice if Hezbollah can do a EW takedown demo on Adir F35s, or kinetically challenge Dimona, just saying…
RUSSIA AND HEZBOLLAH TO OPEN REPRESENTATIVE OFFICE IN MOSCOW: REPORT
Meanwhile the empire’s taking head can’t even counter a journo’s question about why does the empire think it deserves an explanation on why a sovereign country is moving its own troops within its own borders, and can’t explain what they have been airlifting to the orcs:
WASHINGTON SENDS MILITARY TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT TO UKRAINE BUT CANNOT EXPLAIN WHY
This interview tells me the orcs’ owners (I would wager based on the recent Navalny comedy, MI6 and SAS) are planning a false flag to justify itself:
UKRAINIAN FOREIGN MINISTER SAYS KIEV “DEFENDING ITSELF”, EXPECTS UNPRECEDENTED US ASSISTANCE
Dimona I can not see Nasrallah giving the o.k. to any attack on Dimonah. Palestineans would risk exposure to radiation. It is probably “fatwah”. The previous ruling by other Shia clerics in the Iran-Iraq war specifically overruled the Iranian militaries considering usage of poison gases in response to Iraqi usage.
For things that if destroyed cause harm for centuries or even millenia, all places with large amounts of the extremely flammable uranium and fission products should never be attacked. For in the end, children should never be attacked. Any destruction of nuclear reactors or fuel pools or metal jacketed waste fuel is murder of children in the future. There is no need to emulate the savagery of the usOfa and their usage of massive defoliants with dioxin. The children of Vietnam will continue dying and being born disabled for decades,
so imagine the americans cannot be deterred. we may as well rephrase the question,,”if the west cannot be deterred, and you are putin. what would you do?”
“Float like a butterfly Sting like a bee” this must be the tactic of a smart fighter and Putin is a smart one…for now I saw a lot of “float”, some little “sting”. The KO day will definitely come and will start a new, better era
R.I.P. Muhammad Ali, the Greatest