The US State Secretary John Kerry traveled on Wednesday May 18th to the presidential palace in Egypt. In news “The US secretary of state has held talks with the Egyptian president in Cario on the country’s political situation and peace proposals for the region, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” Translating from the political doublespeak into English: The US and Israel tried to push Egypt to drop its support for the upcoming UN Palestine resolution. Israel has even tried to bribe the Egyptian leaders, by announcing during the meeting that “Israel may forgive half of Egypt’s $1.7b gas fine for a gas pipeline explosion in el-Arish, Egypt in July, 2012.” And this is very important: “Kerry: Egypt key regional partner by Jerusalem Post Israel News – 18 hours ago Kerry’s brief visit fueled speculation that a behind the- scenes US-Egyptian-led peace process with Israel and other regional partners was in the works, which would circumvent the highly publicized French initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. ”
Apparently, the US and Israel didn’t get what they want from Egypt, that’s why the passenger airliner went down in a suspected “terror attack.”
RT reported that three or more Egyptian security officers were onboard of a crashed flight from Paris
The US is getting ready to start bombing Egypt for “violations of human rights.” That’s why it was reported right before a plane crash: “Can Egypt be forced to improve prison conditions? Aljazeera.com – 20 hours ago Prisons and police stations across Egypt are bursting at the seams, Human Rights Watch says. Opposition supporters, together with journalists who speak out against the Egyptian government and its policies, continue to be rounded up by security forces.”
The US and Israel cannot let Egypt to have its first nuclear power plant, either.
Jerusalem Post reported a after the crash that “Russia to lend Egypt $25 billion to build nuclear power plant. CAIRO – Russia will loan Egypt $25 billion to finance building and operating a nuclear power plant in Egypt, the official gazette said on Thursday. ”
However, Russian government anticipated this turn of events.
Overview of the Relationships between Russia and Egypt (Infographics)
1. Russia to Supply President-S Aircraft Defense Systems to Egypt in weeks…
Mar 18, 2016 – The deliveries of Russia’s advanced President-S onboard defense systems (ODS) to Egypt will begin in “coming days…”
- Egypt to Order Additional Russian President-S Defense Systems
Apr 6, 2016 – KAZAN (Sputnik) – Russia and Egypt in April-May will sign a contract for the supply of an additional batch of the advanced President-S onboard …
- Russian Manufacturer To Provide Egypt With Aerial Defense
Defense News — Apr 26, 2016 – Russian air defense equipment manufacturer KRET said it will deliver 28 units of the President-S onboard defense system to the Egyptian Air …
5. Israel says Egypt buying advanced Russian air defense system | Reuters
May 13, 2015 – A senior Israeli intelligence official who tracks the regional arms balance said on Wednesday that Egypt was buying Russia’s advanced S-300 …
7. Egypt | Countries | NTI Nuclear Threat Initiative
Egypt has one of the largest and best-organized air defense systems in the Middle … Egypt has either upgraded or possibly obtained new Russian-made Buk
- Russia will supply President-S onboard defense systems to Egypt to protect aviation from antiaircraft missile systems and air-launched missiles, the first deputy …
- Egypt to Buy 46 Russian Ka-52 Attack Helicopters
In addition, on Sunday, May 15th it was reported that France now tops the list of countries to have signed military supply agreements with Egypt during the term of President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi.
#Egypt's Sisi approves $25 bln loan from Russia to build Dabaa nuclear projecthttps://t.co/xsc9lKOyY7 pic.twitter.com/pRleAp24Kz
— Ahram Online (@ahramonline) May 19, 2016
French intelligence warned of IS attacks before missing EgyptAir Flight. Has their been a major breach of security? https://t.co/nDrUyE1id9
— David Vance (@DVATW) May 19, 2016
As with #Russia & #Italy, #Egypt and its relations with #France are targeted, i don't believe in coincidences. pic.twitter.com/UogtkDrsFm
— Sa'ka (@BTelawy) May 19, 2016
See our posts Waiting for Yalta-2 and Germany SITREP researcher C. talks to Scott about the efforts to squeeze the US and NATO from Europe, the Middle east and Asia.
Only the gullible and stupid audiences in the US and some European countries will now start swallowing the ISIS bullshit, propagated by mainstream media
You know Scott, I really admire your articles and this one is no exception. It’s like a deja-vu, from a bad dream with the same Kerry :
Sometimes, the muses make some strange things. But taking seriously the facts on the ground and the other facts that are unseen for our eyes, the events are getting a strange speed in a direction – in this case Egypt – where the whole “equation” of “Arab Spring” has begun but failed (from the Empire’s point of view), and now has reemerged as a focal point in the strategy of grande-chess in the offices of the White House and Tel-Aviv.
Thanks for the heads-up. Are we in the US heading for an election by any chance?
On the way home I thought of our choices for president. Hilary is 100% crazy and Trump is 50% crazy. Not a good choice but a choice.
Think outside the ballot box
Its not an election. Its a selection.
American elections are about as legitimate as a Eurovision contest.
The USA has the best democracy that money can buy!
Western democracy, as it is marketed to us, is an ideology. It is also a brand that very cleverly markets itself to the deep unconscious with concepts such as freedom, free choice, a sense of self ownership of your own destiny, etc (a la Bernays).
People conflate ticking a box next to a name once every few years with freedom. The propaganda we receive from infancy, right through our lives, about how wonderful this “democracy” is blinds us totally to the reality. Libyans under Gaddafi had far more control of their society under their brand of democracy, as theirs was participatory at the local level, with right of recall, etc.
I also envy the people of Cuba. They have free health, etc, a government that truly cares for their welfare, local forms of democratic governance (as I understand), and not yet captured by the brainwashing techniques of consumerist marketing
Another thing. The US presidential election that drags out and out is just one more big reality TV show, with many contestants competing on the national stage to divert and entertain the masses. Whether it be Cruz, Sanders, Hillary, or Trump. The show needs the competing personalities. And everyone, including contributors to this blog, get suckered in by it.
Lets not forget Trump once had his own reality TV show. He knows the game. The Clintons are media stars in their own right. I’m sure they all want to win, and give it their all, the contestants always do. But does anyone really think the real rulers hold any concern? Each one of them will do as they are told, and if not they know what their fate will be. There are many examples out there.
One other thing. I had an Ooops moment and forgot to put my name to the post I am replying to. I am the anonymous with the “(a la Bernays)” comment.
Good analysis, I also don’t believe in such accidents.
Huh – disappers from radar from 1 sec to the next at full altitude, cruising fine.
Those damn murderers.
Send 200 nukes to DC and Tel Aviv, they really wat it, and qualify for deserving that.
I realized that immediately, but i was not sure if the punishment was for Egypt or for France for her stance on EU missile defense control.
This sounds lame! I think for Sisi it would be very easy to throw Palestinians under the bus to follow orders from US. And if Israel is offering to waive such a big fine they will definitely do that!
Apart from the fact it boggles my mind what good Americans will get by downing a passenger airline. They have all kinds of resources to pressure a government especially a weak African slave government. For example they can easily target the legitimacy of Sisi rule itself!
The arguments seem baseless!
But they aren’t. They’re bad Americans, operating using mafia methods. Like with Germanwings 3/24/15, Kogalymavia Halloween, FlyDubai Rostov 3/19/16. All of these are Anglozionist terror attacks.
Do you have any links or knowledge or logical considerations backing that claim that you could share?
I would like to think along those lines as well, especially as there are what seems to me like logical inconsistencies and changing explanations at least in the case of Germanwings official version. But I have been looking for more of that sort of evidence. Also, what exactly would the motives be?
This is important to distinguish legitimate observations from groundless conspiracy theory.
The best I read about Germanwings was by Jim Stone on his site, and he was the quickest to have „mental proofs“ (proving not by pointing at things, but by thinking, using known knowns to include or exclude certain possibilities) for the new Egyptair case to have been a hoax. He was also quick and exact in dismissing flight crash related (dis)info, e.g. about the „flaplets“ of MH370 „having been found“ in Mauritius. His style may not be to everybody‘s taste, but his observations are very keen .
Please rethink your concept of „legitimate observations“ vs. „groundless conspiracy theories“. In my experience much too few people ever make „observations“ of their own, and even much less proceed to form „theories“ an the basis of these observations of theirs. All this doing is highly legitimate, everybody should do it, and people refusing to see and think should be punished. Then, everything you can only understand when observing, thinking and explaining yourself, is by definition something hidden or covert (otherwise, if everybody was informed correctly from the start, there would be no need for your own detective work), and all covert acting of more than one person (thus preplanned and coordinated, with the goal of producing a result all the two or more persons wish to achieve) is by definition a conspiracy. Motives are by definition, one can understand them only by speculation, and there are always several or even many possibilities. When „someone who knows“ explains motives to you, thins become even more complicated: you have also to speculate about his motives to reveal the motives of others especially to you…
Shorter said: Once you feel the need to look into something yourself (because you are not informed at all or the info sounds false), you start an investigation into a conspiracy, and it is always legitimate and necessary to do so. Then, your results may be more or less good, probably less in your beginning and better later on. If they are weak but you shout them around anyway, or if they are bogus and you know it, you would act unethically, it would not be legitimate. Otherwise, searching and finding and thinking and speaking/writing are in principle always legitimate (that‘s why the PTB pretend the contrary) – doing it in certain ways may not be wise and/or legitimate. The fear of ending up with forbidden content is natural, but not legitimate.
100% agreed on “conspiracy theories”.
I was using it with a touch of irony, as people who do their own thinking tend to run the risk of being branded “conspiracy theorists” by the powers that be. As our side is aiming to win the information war, we should be aware of the strategies of our opponents and prevent giving opportunity for such attacks – hence we should pay extra attention to not only having the right thoughts but also clearly documenting our chain of logical reasoning to preempt any attempts of saying we “make weird things up”. All this lengthy paragraph was basically in that last sentence, maybe I should have made it clearer.
Thanks for the references, I’ll look into it.
MS804 also had a functioning reporting system until somebody somehow switched it off – wrote Jim Stone today. I don‘t know why Jim Stone‘s url was censored away here (it is his IP, four numbers, which in contrast to verbal urls cannot be censored away as „not found“), but you‘ll find it when you google Jim Stone.
In my earlier text I wanted to write „Motives are by definition *hidden*..“ – I am happy, Onkel Titus, that your caution was irony. Cheers…
The first plane,MH370,had Roll Royce engines.When running they up link to sat. to England.Also,co-pilots phone logged in to cell phone tower briefly (Maldive islands?).Also,locals saw and described said plane. Then > (maphill.com/search/diego-garcia/detailed-satellite-map/ ) US business model, not a conspiracy.
About GermanWings 9525, destroyed by Anglozionist terrorism on 3/24/15:
It is beyond me to fathom how anybody in their right mind might believe the ludicrous suicide theory for even a fraction of a second. Pilots do not “commit suicide” by destroying their aircraft with passengers on board. Anytime you hear that you know that something is foul.
In the case of GermanWings 9525, the theory was first advanced by the New York Times quoting anonymous military circles. It was then spelt out by the French prosecutor general (procureur de la République) Brice Robin, who had taken away the dossier from the competent technical DGAC authority (Direction générale de l’aviation civile), thus placing the investigation under political control.
This laughable suicide nonsense peddled by the French investigative authority was immediately endorsed (and I mean immediately: the Lufthansa press conference followed on the heel of the French prosecutor press conference) by Lufthansa (of which GermanWings is a subsidiary) in person of chief executives Carsten Spohr and Thomas Winkelmann. “Wir müssen fassungslos zur Kenntnis nehmen, dass das Flugzeug willentlich zum Absturz gebracht wurde.” Nonsense! They didn’t do their job. Rather, they are complicit in the cover-up of mass murder.
How was it done? Here’s how I think it was done: The aircraft’s remote control system was activated (by radio link) and used to take away control from the pilots and steer the aircraft into the mountains. In order to do that, the perpetrators would have had to be in possession of the technology and the top secret authorization keys. Both could have been procured by industrial espionnage, of which the Anglozionist powers are running plenty.
Some people doubt the existence or feasability of remote control systems but drone technology clearly proves them wrong.
A few weeks after the incident, on April 30, 2015, German press reported the Airbus corporation were to file a criminal complaint because of industrial espionnage.
Google: Industriespionage Airbus
Google: industrial espionnage Airbus
Two weeks earlier, on April 15, 2015, German press reported that authorities were looking into the possibility of equipping passenger airplanes with remote control systems to counter highjacks and mythical “pilot suicides”.
Google: Germanwings Fernsteuerung
They are lying, of course: Remote control systems have already been installed on passenger airliners. And one can understand they’re good to have when the airplane is still controllable but the crew is incapacitated. Problems arise when such systems are compromised. With all this anglozionist spying, this danger is very real.
Airbus, I imagine, have their own system. Boeing seems to have something called Uninterruptible Autopilot.
Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system [4 December 2006]
» Boeing’s is, of course, not the first autopilot technology in existence, but this one has been designed with counterterrorism first and foremost in mind. Not only is it “uninterruptible” — so that even a tortured pilot cannot turn it off — but it can be activated remotely via radio or satellite by government agencies. […] “There is a need for a technique that ensures the continuation of the desired path of travel of a vehicle by removing any type of human decision process that may be influenced by the circumstances of the situation, including threats or further violence onboard the vehicle,” the patent application explains. «
The motives were, I think, to rein in German diplomatic activity as exhibited on February 6th, 2015, when Angela Merkel and François Hollande went to Moscow to debate the Ukraine issue with the Russian President in the Kremlin. These German Diplomatic Wings were cut off in a spectacular manner on pyramidal signature date 3/24/15 (if you have a faible for numeric aesthetics), thereby sending Angela Merkel a deep message about how her endeavours were appreciated by those who put her into power.
Remember that Germany, like Japan, is not just some ramshackle country but a top producer of high tech that is stupidly subsidizing, bolstering and propping up Uncle Sam all the while being smacked and slapped every once in a while if her conduct leaves to be desired. Germany doesn’t have a proper army and doesn’t seem to have the security apparatus and definitely doesn’t have the political actors willing to stand their ground in the interest of their nation and against the Anglozionist plutocrats. In fact, there doesn’t seem to be much left in the way of German national interest and willpower to defend it. The whole situation reminds me of victims of bullying, racketeering or raping that somehow are trying to persuade themselves that the situation is not all that bad. Which is easier, of course, if you, as a “leader”, while seeing some sheeple die, won’t have to suffer in person.
“Wir müssen fassungslos zur Kenntnis nehmen, dass das Flugzeug willentlich zum Absturz gebracht wurde” seems quite correct, and is by no means an acknowledgement of the truth of the Lubitz suicide theory.
Yes, true. My bad. But if you listen to their entire PK, you’ll see that they so endorse the suicide nonsense.
OT, have a look at ‘Abel Danger’ website. Field McConnel is ex US air national guard phantom pilot, and then flew civilian airlines. Also a friend of one of the 9/11 pilots.
“Also a friend of one of the 9/11 pilots.”
There were none.
Let’s try a quick thought experiment. Let’s assume that there was a remote control system fitted to the GermanWings aircraft. Further, assume it was activated to fly into terrain. Further, assume the intention was to “send a message” to Merk. All she has to do is publically reveal that the system exists, that it can be hacked (as her phone was) and that she is worried it may have been. Now the boot is on the other foot.
The moral is, tell the truth. As a friend of mine used to say, “The truth shall make you free.” If she was indeed the recipient of such a “message”, then she ought to have exposed it. It would have been to her certain advantage to do so.
So, now the question. Given how simple it is to defeat the strategy of making political advantage by remotely piloting a plane into terrain, why try it? It is too obviously risky and easily turned.
I agree with you that she should have told the truth to go on the counter-attack, no matter what consequences for political relations and public confidence in civil aviation. Which is what an exceptional leader such as Hugo Chavez would have done. But a non-leader such as Merkel has been selected precisely because she would never do such a thing. She can’t handle that type of situation, hence she prefers to publicly pretend it doesn’t exist and it was all a tragic suicide. Most democratic country administrators have that kind of mindset. As Alain Soral said, politics is a system of permanent lying.
Also, think about what reaction a statement from Merkel to that effect would elicit from media, including German media. She’d be declared crazy and irresponsible. The entire media would start clamoring for her immediate demise and replacement by Gabriel, Steinmeier or von der Leyen.
Also, think about the reaction from the F/UK/US countries’ establishment. Do you think there’s any chance they would admit their crime and say sorry?
But yes, the truth is the only way to stop this. Just too hard to handle if your entire world is built on lies.
My view is that the idea of a cover up by Merkel for this scenario does not make much sense. In fact, a remote controlled flight into terrain as a means of “sending a message” makes very little sense as a political act in the way theorised by several. Think it through some more.
Assume again that there was a remote control system fitted to the GermanWings aircraft, that it was activated to fly into terrain and the intention was to “send the message” to Merkel. This time assume she does not “get the message” (or chooses not to) and does nothing. Now what? What are the message senders to do? Try it again? Crash another aircraft or two or three? And again? How many times? Each time the risks for the perpetrators increase and the stakes get higher. The chances of exposure increase exponentially. When the exposure happens, then the outcome becomes perilous for the perpetrators as they are not in control any longer. All Merkel has to do up to this point is………………………………….nothing!
Consider the situation wherein more and more aircraft are flown into terrain by remote control. It gets harder and harder to come up with plausible explanations and cover it up (and why do this, as you are not the one doing the evil in the first place). Meanwhile accident investigators start getting uneasy and soon enough you have a few openly stating that the crashes were deliberate and that the means was remote control of aircraft. Now there is definitely going to be a backlash about that. The damage to the civil airline industry would be potentially most grave. It would be so serious that they would act precipitously to locate and correct the problem. Indeed they’d likely not even wait for confirmation of a problem. They’d have people checking all over their aircraft looking for malevolent control means (such as the remoting software). Pilots would be white-hot livid. It would not be surprising if many of the pilots refused to fly until they absolutely knew for 100% certain that their aircraft could not be remotely and irreversibly removed from their control during flight (look at how things went with the French airline pilots union over the merest possibility that a pitot tube deicer was allegedly faulty on certain Airbus airliners). The airlines would be getting stuck into the manufacturers big time. Of course, second or third tier airlines running steam gauge aircraft could well have a field day- for them business increases dramatically! As for Merkel, she could legitimately claim to be shocked and horrified by these terrible revelations. “Who are our allies?” she could rhetorically ask, “What partners these?”
The public would react. For a start there would be less people choosing to fly to their destinations. There would also be the political response. Answers would be demanded. Explanations and solutions would be sought. Blame would be allocated. Heads would be demanded. This is very different from electronic eavesdropping, lurking and spying. This situation would be much more emotive. How could our allies do this to us? Who is in on it? Why did they do it? People would ask many, many dangerous questions and it would be done openly- in the mainstream. This is not a controllable situation for the perpetrators, let alone the enablers. Privately Merkel and others can threaten them with public exposure. She doesn’t even have to be the one to do it.
Again, the approach is obviously risky and easy to turn. It gets more and more risky with repetition. Still, if there is but one solitary argument against autonomous vehicles (including cars and trucks), this would have to be the one! Governments can’t ever be trusted!
Moving on. Hugo Chavez was nothing exceptional. He was a garden variety socialist who wrecked the country. Just because he was antagonistic towards the US government that does not make him good.
It may be a reflexive thought but could the hand of Israel be behind the EgyptAir Flight 804 disaster?
Israel is quite good at this kind of messaging and it is to their advantage.
I have also wondered about the Russian Metrojet 9268 airbus explosion. There are too many things and statements that don’t quite add up with the latter and everything has gone very quiet -too quiet.
Daesh allegedly was responsible but at a certain level, they, the US administration and Israel are all one and the same.
I agree, very difficult to get the timing of the explosion right regarding a bomb being left on the plane with either a timer or barometric pressure switch, which leaves a suicide bomber but again very difficult to get the timing spot on. It seems to me that it was important to the perpetrators that the plane was actually in Egyptian airspace when it was downed, just by 10 km, so flying at say 600 mph or so it had basically just crossed over from Greek/EU airspace. I honestly don’t know if this is important, but if it is, the technologically sophisticated perpetrators due to their evil wizardry may be giving inadvertant clues away with their precision detonation.I’m still not convinced the Russian plane being downed over the Sinai was a bomb onboard either and maybe it suits the perpetrators that it happens over the sea too. Also it must have been catastrophic in the cockpit as there was no time for a Mayday type call from the pilot in his supposedly locked cabin, questions, questions? Time will tell…………..hopefully
That was me at 9.03
Espina, what do you mean with twice saying how difficult it is to get the timing „spot on“. Why should it be? For damaging an airline or its country or killing (a) passenger(s), the exact moment should not matter at all. You mentioned three ways to make a plane explode in flight, but omitted the most „natural“ under the conditions pointed out again and again by Jim Stone (126.96.36.199) – namely that all our planes and cars are remotely steerable, and are remotely steered for producing murders as a matter of course. If you can steer a plane remotely you can obviously also fire a bomb remotely – at as exact a moment as you may wish.
It is my personal theory that the moment they are exploded *does indeed* matter (for the reasons I found years ago already), and I mentioned the possibility that certain events are staged on a certain day and moment just to put an exclamation mark to that date/time mark (e.g. the overheard telephone call of the american handler of the ukie murderers before their shooting down MH17: „Exact timing is crucial!“) – but nobody ever reacted. Then, on May 6th-10th, at http://thesaker.is/counter-propaganda-russian-style/ I tried again to answer questions of commentators with what I had, but all my posts on these days on this topic were censored. So, it seems a forbidden subject – but when you ask the way you did, it must be known to you.
I actually forgot about the remote hijacking malarkey to tell you the truth, even although i’ve previously read about Chris Bollyn and Jim Stones theories/assertions/facts in relation to MH370 disappearing. The point i was trying to make was that it seemed to me not coincidental that the plane was just and no more in Egyptian airspace and that how exactly that timing could be known by terrorists of the calibre of Daesh/Isis orAl Whatever, i do realise that none of these controlled groups has claimed responsibility, therefore opening the door to a more high tech form of terrorism, one only available to Terrorist Nations. It actually never occurred to me that the plane may have been remotely hijacked, probably due to the reports of it disappearing from radar, fireball seen, etc etc. I’m fishing, throwing out my own thoughts based on what i read,watch and listen to, it’s why i read and have read this magnificent blog daily since autumn 2013, i rarely comment as i’m such a slow typer, with such a time demanding life that it becomes onerous. I often wish i could actually visit, daily, an actual Moveable Feast Cafe, one where i could sit down and talk, i’m good at that :) and engage with all the brilliant posters who regularly inhabit this blog, that’s why i asked the way i did, because in life i always try and lift up and look underneath all the stones, not because ” but when you ask the way you did, it must be known to you.” Now a thought for you, why remain Anonymous, i know it’s only a handle but a name helps imho.I also appreciate your poignant thoughts and info.
Peace &Truth Espina
Hi Espina, I‘ll place my answer to the bottom for the sake of better typography/readability.
could you develop on France opposed to EU missile ABMs? i missed that one… :(
very interesting, txs Scott. Some would say farstrechted but gut feeling make me think this is very highly plausible.
I didn’t know Sisi was buying so many weapons from Russia and France (other than Rafales).
AZ empire is becoming a bona fide terrorist organisation
Still no photos from crash site with floating debris. The estimated crash area should be well known. Distance is approx 30-60 minutes from mainland with a helicopter. Historically, every airline crash in the ocean is well documented by pictures of floating debris, like big parts of the plane filled with insulation. No such thing here.
This is a hoax. The plane never crashed.
– The plane has been flown under the radar and has been landed safely somewhere, probably by remote control
– The plane has been crashed somewhere else
– There was never any plane at all…
Interesting, but not so fast:
Egyptian Military Finds Debris, Personal Belongings From Crashed Airliner
If these official claims are true may still be another question.
Still no photos from crash site with significant floating debris. The expected crash site is known. Distance is approx 30 – 60 minutes from mainland with a helicopter. Historically, every airline crash in the ocean is well documented by pictures of floating debris, like big parts of the plane filled with insulation. No such thing here.
This is a hoax. The plane never crashed.
This leaves three possibilities:
1. The plane is safely landed somewhere
2. The plane has been crashed somewhere else
3. There were no plane at all
Did you intentionally send the same msg twice (3 hours later) or was it by mistake (such as a FF hang)?
The Greek defense minister said Friday that Egyptian authorities found a body part, part of a seat and one or more items of luggage in EgyptAir passenger jet search.
They didn’t post pictures yet, but I doubt they will publish a lost head or arm in xxl size.
And even if they did publish such terrible images, you might still respond: Falsified images.
Well, don’t exaggerate it.
One has to check the facts carefully, sure. But one should not attempt to squeeze everthing into the personal world-view glasses.
I can imagine that the AZ shot it down to punish both Egypt and France at once. Therefore Paris-Cairo, rather than Berlin-Cairo or Paris-Madrid.
But you somewhat ridicule this entire tragic event.
It crashed into the Sea, not into the desert.
What kind of images do you expect that early?
Sorry to have posted twice. I am new to this site, and my first posting did not immediately show…
My point is simple: Seat cushions, luggage, floating devices or human remains does not come out of an airplane, that has not broken apart.
Debris from a plane crashed into sea floats, as they are filled with insulation.
As the crash site is reachable by helicopters from several different countries, and helicopters by the world press should have been on the site the first morning, I assume we would have been presented several photographic evidence by now, that the plane really crashed.
I have on my computer two different pictures of the MH17, both official Reuters, where one has been Photoshopped. Be aware of any such fake photos being presented to the public, to “prove” that the Egyptair plane really crashed.
Satellite Image Reveals 1.2 Mile Oil Slick At Location Of Possible EgyptAir Crash
Oil slick can mean anything in that area. NATO is currently conducting drills there also and could easily have left an oil slick. I’m not propagating some conspiracy theories but considering the plane disappeared exactly at the handover from one Airspace to another (same as with MH370) and the fact they have not published any kind of image or hint as to what happened, in one of the most closely surveilled area of the planet (Eastern Mediterranean / Middle East) does raise a lot of suspicion.
They must know but for some reason the different powers prefer to not mention anything.
I don’t deny that it is odd how they lose one plane after another without a trace (MH370).
All I said was, one should not announce things without evidence. Anyway not like this as a certainty. Or do we want to repeat the same mistakes that the “official” mouthpieces do?
After so much time now I must say, yes, the official version begins to stink even more than from the beginning on (when it already had a stong smell).
As I recommended many times, the comments at ZH are the actual thing which is often more interesting than the original article.
Just read them …
Nothing’s going to happen until Egypt opens the border with Gaza. Then all hell will break loose.
They’ll never do that, unfortunately. You misunderstand what and who Sisi represents if you expect that.
‘The US is getting ready to start bombing Egypt for “violations of human rights.” ‘
Egypt has the strongest military in the middle east (minus Israel).
It has both western and soviet weapons, some of them modern. Thousands of tanks, hundreds of aircrafts etc . It has received annual US military aid because of signing the “peace” treaty with Israel .
Egypt is not Libya to get bombed.
Libya had a better economy and was not integrated into NWO, but lost because it could not cope with NATO bombing and the mass infiltration of NATO paid terrorists – mercenaries
Regime change / colour revolution is the preferred solution for Egypt, like the “Arab spring”. An anti-Sisi coup, Islamic insurrection, sanctions, maidan style protests etc .
The weak link of Egypt is it’s economy. It is a weak neoliberal economy integrated into globalization, and based on tourism. And becayse Egypt has a population explosion ,many of whom are illiterate , poor and Islamist,the regime is prone to destabilization.
The socialistic statist Nasserist economic policies were abandoned after Nassers death.
It is a similar situation to what happened in China after Mao’s death, the successors (of Mao and Nasser) moved closer to the West, dropped socialism and adopted neoliberalism,
abandoned the policies of non-alignment and anti-imperialism ( etc Pan arabism).
The regimes of Egypt and China
became totally subservient to the West in all but name with a corrupt (Chinese & Egyptian) elite that ruled autocratically and became extravagantly rich …..
Now el Sisi and Xi seem to have slightly altered the direction of their countries even though is still too early to predict what is their intention. Nevertheless, it is unlikely that we will have a return to the independent
(economic and foreign) policies of Nasserism and Maoism
I think it would be great if someone could post something about false flag (?) attacks like this one in general at some point, and which geopolitical role they play, by whom they could be executed, how it could be done etc.
I remember Pepe Escobar suspected the November Paris bombings to be a false flag, then there’s Brussels airport, Germanwings, this crash, the Russian one over Egypt, the London Bombings, 9/11, all sorts of terror attacks that were supposedly stopped.
I’m finding it very hard to identify all the possible players behind those attacks, then those interested in stopping them, what their capabilities are, how truthfully the public is informed etc.
For a layman this is practically impossible to know, and while there may be logical explanations and motivations, many people even here have wildly differing theories.
So I’m finding it very hard to actually form an opinion on this, comments welcome!
You speak as though it has been established that this was a false-flag operation, when it’s very early days. Also, how do you figure the GermanWings crash was a false-flag operation?
GermanWings may have meen accidently hit during NATO training, afterwards they would have changed the story instead of admitting the truth.
Another possibility: Remote control as built in most modern jet liners, could have been hacked or whatever.
Official version full of contradictions.
All the MSM spewed out a massive wave of hysterical trash.
Such things should make your alarm bells ring.
It would be nice to have some evidence beyond a list of possibilities. For example, in the case of the Malaysian jetliner downing in Ukraine, there are various lines of evidence that make it plausible that it was a false-flag.
It’s not that I don’t believe that various entities are capable of horrible atrocities, it’s just that a list of ‘may have been’ this or that doesn’t cut it. That GermanWings flight may have been hit by alien ray-gun fire. Or someone may have put LSD in the pilot’s Coke. Or the pilot could have been severely depressed and augured his jetliner into the Alps…
I don’t want to spend a week agin on reviving my memories of last year’s digging.
The most likely answer was an accidental shootdown during a NATO exercise.
From what I found out this:
> Or the pilot could have been severely depressed and augured his jetliner into the Alps…
simply cannot have been the case.
The published alleged “voice recordings” absolutely do not support such a hypothesis.
Also: In such a case the plane should have been taken over via remote control.
The pilot cannot switch that off.
Also inhabitants of local villages saw (I thin 3) war planes immediately before the crash. Such evidence did not come from drugs addicts or homeless, but from at least one major/head of local sttlements/villages. Go to youtube and spend weeks on watching different hypotheses.
Then sort out intentionally spread disinfo lies. tin-foil hat nonsense and MSM lies. After doing so you can exclude a lot simply by rational thinking.
Had he wanted to crash the plan to kill as many innocent people as possible, why would he do so in the mountains and not in a densily populated urban area where he could kill even more?
As said, the way in which the media hysterically tried hard to “prove” that the pilot had “mental problems” (he may have had them, yes, but the MSM behaved very suspiciously) – it all didn’t fir together.
You cannot always find clear “proof”. Use your own brain.
And worse: 9/11 has shown that even in such 100% clear cases all governments of the world continue playing the game. I wondered myself for a long time why Putin doesn’t counteract against the US by publishing some material.
As a german saying goes: “Eine Kraehe hackt der anderen kein Auge aus.” (A crow doesn’t pick out another crow’s eyes.)
To be quite clear, I don’t know anything about what the reality is, I’m just a skeptical civilian without any special knowledge and a reader of this blog. It could very well be in my opinion that this jet just crashed, I wouldn’t know. However I interpreted Scott’s article in the way that there might have been some deliberation at work in this case. Pepe Escobar, whose opinion I value highly, also expressed doubt at the version the public got fed for the Paris attacks and suspected a false flag. But what, anyway, is a false flag? 9/11, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the Paris attacks might all have been false flags, but if so, they were certainly very different in character, objectives, identity of the perpetrators, etc.
I feel like a lot of us readers, skeptical laymen who follow the grand global game, feel like me when I say I think that these attacks do play a role in the great global game – but I’m walking in the dark to say which one exactly, and I would like for someone knowledgeable to enlighten me to better understand this aspect of the geopolitical struggle.
A false flag is a real attack that someone has planted a false flag on. A hoax, on the other hand, is a staged event that is made to look like a real attack.
9/11 => monumental hoax, best one ever, 38+ bilion dollar fraud; no planes, empty towers, fake smoke, no victims, fake truth movement and conspiracy theorists (Bin Laden, the Saudis, the Jews, the CIA, etc) – See my comments from February (via Google site search).
the London Bombings (7/7/05) => never looked into that one
Germanwings 9525 (3/24/15) => Anglozionist terror attack
Kogalymavia/Metrojet over Sinai (10/31/15, Halloween) => Anglozionist terror attack
November Paris bombings (Bataclan, 11/13/15) => low quality hoax, no victims
FlyDubai 981 Rostov na Donu (3/19/16) => Anglozionist terror attack
Brussels airport and metro (3/22/16) => real bombs, someone striking back
Egypt Air MS804 => ???
IL-Lumi-nati would be very, very interested in muddying the waters for ever ever, ever more.
So far, I have not seen one comment here, in 5 months from anyone, that was strongly persuaded by your “evidence”. Yet you come back, over and over again, with the same idea whose most egregious element is that no one died at the WTC Sept 11, 2001.
That element should be easily proven or debunked, shouldn’t it?
Terry Strada, for example, either had a husband that died on 911, or she didn’t.
Show that she didn’t, please.
While that is being sorted out, I’ll suggest to you where to go with this, that your many posts on this matter have not yet pointed to, even if your claim were substantiated: the matter of the consciousness of the designers (architectural, masonic “builders”) of the false flag event/hoax where no one died, or whatever other option you, Lumi. or anyone else puts forward to classify 911.
Here it is, in my early interpretation of it, several months ago: http://thesaker.is/is-there-a-crack-in-the-dam-holding-back-the-truth-on-syria/comment-page-1/#comment-213733
And more recently: http://thesaker.is/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-04-30/comment-page-1/#comment-233192
And today: http://thesaker.is/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-05-21/comment-page-1/#comment-239036
» Show that she didn’t, please. «
There’s no need. Close-ups of the WTC facade on 9/11 show a pipe system belching thick artificial smoke. Proving it’s a prepared scene, a staged event, a theatrical hoax.
Hollywood Special Effects & Fake Smoke @ the World Trade Center on 9/11 [Let’s Roll Forums, 31 Oct 2010]
So people persist to believe in A&E for 9/11 Truth and other such nonsense. Can’t blame them. We’ve all been educated to believe in lies and hoaxes. That’s the way it is, and always has been, as far as I can see.
I tried to read the three comments you linked but then only skimmed them. They’re verbose, silly, and utterly pointless. They’re a waste of time. It’s one thing to remark en passant a pattern in a date, and it’s an entirely different thing to walk out on a numerological and esoteric-mythological nonsense trip. It’s the sort of comment that transforms a blog into a useless timesink.
Whe aircraft first reported missing I heard reports that aircraft “took evasive actions” and “right, then left” attributed to Greek military, a general, I believe…
Who else heard this?
The report of evasive actions seems to have gone poof!
First reports are often the best… I am sure somebody saved these…
According to Jim Stone (see above) the plane went 90 degrees to the left (towards IL), then 360 degrees to the right = still 90 deg. left.
Today he calculated that the disappearance 10 min before landing equalled 100 miles from Cairo airport, which means that at the moment of the hijacking the plane was even no more over water.
According to veteranstoday on 16-5-20, the israeli „security“ company ICTS handled many cases where „inexplicably“ a bomb turned up and exploded where this had to be „prevented“ by ICTS – e.g. MH17, Brussels 16-3-22 and now MS804.
***** Egypt Officials Release First Footage Of EgyptAir Debris; Find Airplane Black Boxes *****
EgyptAir flight MS804 crash: Egyptian military posts first photos of wreckage showing mangled plane parts and seats
The items are being analysed for clues on what caused the flight to crash into the Mediterranean Sea
EgyptAir 804 plane crash: Live updates as first pictures of wreckage emerge and military claims ‘black box found’
@ Scott: A discriminating mind requires more than just hypothesis, conjecture and weak circumstantial evidence because after all a cigar can just be a cigar sometimes or the wrong people can be blamed using false hypothesis, cooked up evidence, conjecture and weak links–unlike the 9/11 false flag where there is no tangible evidence due to its having been conveniently burned up and then carted away to land fills that it was only a foreign based terrorist attack and lots of very good testimony from building engineers that it was a smoke and mirror/deep state operation.
Gonna have to put my foot down. There’s no such word as “prequential” and let’s wait for more evidence before we jump to conclusions.
prequential -. (mathematics) predictive sequential
Under Nasser, Egypt was allied with the USSR and the Egyptian economy was transformed into a socialist economy (of the eastern bloc type). Egypt fought against Israel and supported anti-colonial causes.
After Nasser’s death, the new leadership signed a peace treaty with Israel and allied with the USA. It also abandoned socialist economic policies and adopted neoliberalism while corrupt dictators like Mubarak ruled the country.
Russia and China need to speed up their production of Civilian Airliners as soon as possible.
You see, Boeing and Airbus are susceptible of being ‘intercepted’ via satellite and thrown into the ocean or ground. And this type of government sponsored terrorism will only get more frequent. ‘Problematic nations ‘ can only expect more of this.
I wonder if Putin and the Chinese leadership use Boeing and Airbus in their travels. I can only imagine that they do not; if they do, they are living on borrowed time.
Hello Espina, nice answer deserving a nice reaction, so I‘ll try my best, but it will be difficult because I tend to make texts long rather than short, and especially when several topics are to be adressed. Remote hijacking „malarkey“… I did not know the word, but know now, however you seem to underestimate the enemy. Everybody knows now that „they“ want to „influence“ us, so that we do what they want, not what we want or need or both – that *is* already the worst case of remote steering, of hijacking (of your opinions etc, that is, your personality), and it is commonplace that it is tried every minute and that it is largely successful.
Much easier is it to hijack a machine *when* the hijacking mechanism is already built into it. When you send me your telephone number I can hijack your telephone to wake you up in the middle of the night, I can remotely sabotage your sleep. As a boy I had „Schuco“ model cars with a spring mechanism to propel them – but you could stop them by saying „StoPPHH“ with much air at the end for triggering the inbuilt wind detector on the roof , which would trigger something stopping the spring motor. We can remotely steer a rocket from a spot on Earth to a point zillions of kilometers away so that the camera in the thing doesn‘t miss sun- or moonrise over Pluto… and you tell me the idea that humans are capable of remotely steering an airplane with a built-in remote control system is malarkey? I am not convinced; on the contrary it is well known that planes have remote control systems inside „to protect us from these mad terrorists“: when the mad terrorists hijack the plane using sellotape or chewing gum to overwhelm the flight personnel, then a wise supervision body decides to switch to remote steering and sends the plane with the terrorists right into the hands of legal officers who will know what to do with them. This is the official story that was to explain e.g. the Germanwings case. In case you really want to know more about this you really should read Jim Stone (google this name and you‘ll find his IP (4 numbers) that will ensure a connection that cannot be easily remotely hijacked/sabotaged), and you‘ll find stories about remotely hijacked cars… which explained to me how e.g. Alexander Dubcek or Jörg Haider could be „taken out“ in „unexplainable car accidents“. Right now, I remembered something weird I saw myself. In ca 1980 I bought for 150 DM a car, an Opel Rekord C Coupé, a downsized „real American car“, just as a fad, but then quickly liked it very much. At one point it developed a nasty, uh, habit. When I left it, I closed it by key (as we generally do in Europe), that is I introduced the key in a vertical slot on the driver‘s side, turned 1/8 circle to one side and back to the vertical position of that slot for taking the key out again. When I came back, I expected to repeat the same exercise, only with 1/8 turn in the other direction. However, after a while I was confronted often with the situation that the position of the slot for the key was no more vertical but oblique – and then it was not possible to insert the key and to open the driver‘s door. I had to creep in via the right door, then to open the drivers door from the inside, to disassemble the innards of the driver‘s door, to take out the lock mechanism and to make sure once again that it looked completely normal, that no hidden mechanisms existed in that door, and that at reinserting that slot was vertical. Then I would reassemble the door, test my work and find that „from now on everything will be fine“ – only to have the same thing happen again at the next stop. My first idea was that „magnets“ did it (but there weren‘t any), or that pranksters molested my car while I was absent (I tried to surprise them in actu, but never saw any) – until one day someone did me the favour to enlighten me. I had just closed the door and looked at it, musing how I would find it this time when I *saw* that slot turning from vertical to oblique – no person, no machinery, no sound. I felt then relieved: no gangsters, no pranksters, only me and God, or me and some playful invisible alien, for whom this „magick“ was child‘s play (perhaps an alien kid?). Later, with another car, the trick was repeated but much less well done, and I found this degradation later with other similar „wonders“, and dubbed it „the american tricks and those of their german disciples“: who want to be equal but are not.
In short, if it was possible to mechanically move mechanical lock mechanisms in closed cars with non-mechanical tools and methods in 1980 it is definitely no balooney, err, malarkey to point to the possibility that in 2013/14/15/16 it may be possible to switch an electronic switch e.g. in a plane not only by a mechanical lever moved by a pilot‘s (ar bandit‘s) hand, but also by electronical means, e.g. radio waves, e.g. from Pluto, or from somewhere here on Earth. (Yes, and they have operating systems that can and will be hijacked from wherever, and through them the inbuilt remote control trickery of the CPUs can be and will be hijacked etc.etc. -the newer your computer, the more compromised it is by design.). Now, after proving to you (you are convinced, aren‘t you?) that remote control is the general goal and method of „them“, and that it is easily feasible and done in countless cases (and varieties), one might ask why the remote control method would be preferred to others, and why, if such things are done, they do not stop at inventing funny riddles but proceed to apply their wonders for achieving mass murders „without authors and known causes“. These questions have in essence nothing to do with „numerology“ or „data fetishism“, but crimes & discretion of authorship & indiscretion (transmission) of unexpected (surprising) content are often combined with riddles, e.g. numbers‘ riddles as things that are at once (first) discrete and then (if solved) indiscrete. From my Opel & that alien kid I learned that „there are more things between heaven and earth“ than common knowledge knows about, and that they have not to be earth shaking for changing your outlook, I was informed that „unexplainables“ do happen, and that they can be easily observed (if their authors decide toshow them to you to teach you something), but not explained, or only in hypotheses, which then any one of the other 7 billions is entitled to throw back at me as obvious, uh, nonsense. Same thing for the explanation of circumstances: the Russkies (Putin and his „Putin commission”) had one set of „convincing reasons“ why PL101 (Kaczynski‘s plane) just had to crash in Smolensk (namely: „bad weather and drunk pilots“), but at http://thesaker.is/the-turkish-hitler/, Anonymous_on_May 23, 2016, 01:02 UTC cries B.S. at Putin and has a completely different story: not the pilots, but the passengers were drunk and instead of bad weather the reason for the crash was that the 94 passengers „all jammed into the plane’s cockpit, drinking vodka and “instructing” the pilot exactly “what to do““, which had to end in disaster and did – a completely new version which world opinion will now have the opportunity to assess in detail.
Every act of terror is an act of „hidden“ communication, of telling without speaking – this is the difference between terror and the business of killing unwanted persons, but the distinction is unsharp, *and* both motivations can and usually do overlap. AF447 with all its passengers was allegedly destroyed just for ending the work career of one Chinese scientist, but MH370 was evidently a whole story, but also with Chinese engineers at the center of it. While „terror“ (from the picture book for sunday schools) is always meant to be a method of transmitting a message, and in the golden infant days of terrorism this message was a real message (spoken words, e.g. in an interview) of live people („the hijackers name the conditions for releasing the passengers“), messages can be transmitted in many ways, and do not need cameras and microphones which only serve to chase the terrorists until they got caught. Thus, we arrived at mute terrorism that lets only facts *and* circumstances speak. If Smolensk was not what Putin and Anonymous think (a necessary result of preceding flight related problem factors), but an act of terror (with alleged „problems“ only as a decoration for the gullible), then the message of mass-murdering the conservative elite of Poland was perhaps: „Polen unerwünscht!“ or „Polen raus!“, like under „Hitler‘s“ SS regime there, and then one should expect a repetition of that message in case the Poles dare again to be conservatives and themselves – and exactly this is what happened. „Merkel“ steered a hate campaign against the Kaczynskis since 2007 which ended in 2010, when of the top brass only „the good (german-licking)“ Poles survived, and this in well-paid positions of unlimited german-licking… and restarted promptly after the victory at the polls of the Kaczynski party in 2015. A possible explanation of this whole sequence might be: Germans hate Poles because they only tolerate slaves and the Poles make a point of not being especially that, so the Germs teach them a lesson so that they may finally become slaves, but the Poles ignore the message, repeat their crime of independent thinking and acting, and therefore must be taught the same lesson again. Whether the next mass-murder of Poles incompatible with german nazis will also be accompanied by the camouflaged working of otherwise well-known fogh machines or not will be again completely irrelevant for the message. In the Smolensk case data fetishism pointing to „Merkel“ (the offended one who sought personal revenge as well as general instruction of an obstinate tribe) was the main means for communicating the meaning, and with MH17, where „Merkel“ was to prove that she is just as good in inventing world wars out of nothing („punishing victims for things they have not done“ – Dilma Rousseff) as her father, the emphasis on „Merkel“, the english remote controlled ostzonen shpitzel who the english made „queen of europe“ for that occasion, was overwhelming. Even the insisting on a „BuK“ missile meant in clear, that the BuK (Bundeskanzler, i.e. „Merkel“) was the reason for this event… but not that it was necessarily „Merkel“ who herself pushed the button. In the case of the Russian Airbus over Sinai, at a closer look, an impressing number of 17s turn up, just as with MH17, as if these cases are made up like like-dressed twins. What is the central „birch tree“ (adjective „brzezinski“ in Polish) as alleged cause for the complete destruction of the plane in the Smolensk case, and the „BuK“ in the M(erkel)_H(itler)_17 case, seems to me a certain name on the passenger list of the Sinai flight, which, when mentioned here, gets censored out, so that you‘ll have to find it yourself. In case this passenger did not exist but only his/her „speaking” name on the list, this would have been a very clear and thus serious threat – and not of some mercenary crap group with no more capabilities than killing unarmed civilians for their masters in the US govt. And now, MS804 – my first impression is that there is less info available than in previous cases, so interpreting details is more difficult, nothing imposes itself. Where should one start? At wondering whether there is a hidden meaning to your moment of posting (4:08) whitch reversely repeats the flight number 804? Similarities are always interesting, but not always relevant.
You see, I find the communication function in such cases present and used, so that it is not necessary and perhaps, for tactical resons, unwanted to let a definite part of the Evil Empire speak in the sense of using words for conveying meaning. What do you expect from Daesh/ISIL, Al Qaeda etc? They are all freaks made and launched by the PTB,, and the antagonism with officialdom in AngloAmiNatoland is bogus at best, but mostly a devilish ruse to allow the production of even more murder and chaos (when ISIL kills because they are killers, and the US military kills, too, „because we fight ISIL“). We live in a very multithreaded (spaghetti) world today, where everything mixes with everything, but definitive relations are still difficult to prove in a juridical sense. But such proof is irrelevant because in our system never anyting of importance will be judged in a court worth this name. We are not called upon to pronounce death sentences, but only to swallow what we are told and to shut up. I find it more important (than waiting for the ideal proof and the ideal court of justice) that individuals sharpen their own judgment by doing everything that might help. Like reading articles and comments at The Saker‘s, and then make up their own tribunal in their head: do I really believe this witness, is the argument X really irrelevant or only unwanted? Am I just now slipping into a wide-open, well-known trap like repeating well known nazi crap just because the people repeating it today do not wear brown skirts and swastika stickers?
Finally your plea for more visibility. I did use an ordinary nick name in the past, but lately my signed posts were all censored, so I stopped signing them. I asked TheSaker whether I am banned, but he told me I am not. Then perhaps such censoring is also remote controlled? My impression is that those who want and need a WW every 25 years „and become very angry when they do not get their regular blood booze“ (Protocols…) are by now pretty angry and trying to impose „something big“ upon us, even if nobody is eager to follow their calls, their propaganda, their remote control of emotions and false reasoning. Instead of the countdown of a smooth war machine we witness the rattling of a broken mechanism which instead of doing something foreseeable might suddenly explode.
Yes, nice vibes in the Moveable Café, but I feel somewhat out of place there.
An Ony Mouse
Now suddenly it wasn’t just a “burning engine” as claimed over the weekend: Human remains from EgyptAir Flight 804 point to explosion on board – Egypt forensic official