German Foreign Minister Steinmeier had a complete fit of rage when he was interrupted during a speech by anti-Fascist demonstrators who were accusing the German regime of supporting Fascists in the Ukraine. See for yourself for his reaction:
The good news is that this incident clearly shows that more and more people understand the nature of the conflict in the Ukraine and that more and more people are willing to stand up and protest what is being done in their name.
The Saker
German shouting. Brings back memories, doesn’t it?
I haven’t heard an impassioned German speech like that since seeing newsreel footage of Hitler from the 1930s and 40s!
Can one of our German/English speakers here please attempt a translation of the speech?
Interesting. Like Hitler without the charisma. Hardly surprising as the West ensured that West Germany would be a Nazi-successor state, with only cosmetic de-Nazification. These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies, as they did with Croatia and Slovenia during the destruction of Yugoslavia.
Saker,
Can someone post an English translation? Thanks!
The bad news is that Western governments do not care what the people think. They passed the point of no return some time ago. A sign of this is the propaganda – it used to be a mix of truth and lies. No more. Look at the quality of false flags and hoaxed events or aspects of events. It looks more like 1937 Germany.
Crazy Ivan says…
I got problem as it opened Nuland Crosstalk.
I went to RT.com directly to
http://rt.com/news/160428-steinmeier-loses-temper-video/
German FM seemed to lack small black mustache only. :)
oh come on guys… enough already with the hitler comparisons.
i dislike the guy, i think he represents all that is wrong with europe, but be real – this was on a campaign and he was being confronted by choirs of dissenters.
this has zero to do with hitler. steinmeier and his political cronies deserve to lose the european elections ignonimiously, but the commenters here show an utter lack of understanding if they compare the guy or his speech to hitler.
German translation:
The crowd is shouting: War monger, war monger !
Steinmeier: You should think twice who is a war monger. Who labels a whole society as fascists, is making war, is making the conflict. You have no right !
To remind those who shout and scream at the side of this event, no one has to say to the German Social democracy why we fight for peace, not to the German Social Democracy.
Someone from the crowd: You are war mongers.
Steinmeier: Because we want peace, we can’t allow you to make it easy. The world doesn’t consist of peace angels on the one side and villains on the other. Unfortunately the world is more complex, and thanks to God, there are some people who dedicate themselves to thix complexity and who look for ways out of the crisis in Ukraine, ladies and gentlemen.
This protest there shows that there are still people who didn’t understand Europe. Europe is the lesson learned from times when people didn’t listen to each other and shot on each other. I ask you, listen up !
For four years we have fought an economic crisis, the worst crisis we have ever had in Europe. And it were people like those there who had the simple solutions: Greece out, Portugal out, back to the Deutsche Mark and all the remaining stupid stuff.
If we would have listened to people like those, Europe would have been ruined. (Kaputt).
Fast translation (Thanks to alucard303)
“Short: You should think who the warmongers are, who calls a whole society fascists. He urges the war, he urges the confilct. You have no right …. And because of that all these people who are screaming there should remeber something: You don’t need to tell the socialdemocracy why it is for peace. Because we want peace, we can’t let is be easy for you (protestants) The world isn’t split up into good and bad guys, the world is complicated and thankfully there are people who try to deal with this complicated stuff. This demonstration shows that there are still people who didn’t understood europe, Europe it the lesson we learned out of a time when we didn’t talked, when we shot at eachother. Bla bla bla, fighting against crisis bla bla – And it were people like these up there who always wanted the most simply solutions, out with greece, out with portugal, backt ot the D-Mark, if we would have listened to them Europe would be destroyed by now.”
My German is rusty but I think he said:
You should think carefully who the war mongers are. The ones who are calling an entire society as fucked up (beshitted? I guess referring to the anti-EU crowd) They are the ones who driving war and conflict. You all have no right…then a portion I couldn’t quite get…
Then someone in the crowds calls him a war monger. and Steinmeyer continues:
While we want peace you can’t make the world so simple. The world can’t be divided on one side with peace makers and on the other with evil beings(?) The world is unfortunately more complicated and thank God there are people who appreciate that complexity and are trying to find a way out of the crisis in Ukraine. Those protesters back there show that there are still people who have not yet understood Europe. Europe, that is the emptiness(?) from times in which people have not listened to one another and instead shot at one another. I continue(?) Listen up! For 4 years we fought against an economic crisis, the worst that Europe ever had. And there were people like those people back there who always saw things so simply and said ‘Out with Greece! out with Portugal! Back to the D-Mark!’ and all sorts of other nonsense. And if we had listened to those people Europe would be ruined today.
That was the best I could do. Some parts I didn’t get and others I could be mistaken about. German speakers please feel free to correct it.
Oh dear, the masks are indeed falling. Now I had better go practice my “Sieg Heil” ready for the brave new world. Roflmao. Cretins!
German pols are being called out for their hypocrisy. Steinmeier and even more so Merkel have been flogging policy that goes against country’s interests, both ethical and economical. It isn’t really so surprising that they fall apart at the seams. How does FM feel when he talks to SPD elders? Better for Steinmeier to collapse alliance with CDU (new partners for Merkel) and speak true from wilderness.
Brian
Crazy Ivan says…
@ marco 22 May, 2014 05:01
Sorry guy, but there are key-words and key-images as far as WWII is concerned.
Stereotype stamps you may called it.
Whether you like it or not they are and they will be. And they will never be forgotten!
The German language is a “hard” and scratchy language for many European nations. “Strengthened” by rapid gesticulation and accompanied by finger wagging or threatening with arms or fists will always focus speaker against many characters from Germany living in times of NSDAP and popularized by documentary films from those times.
German FM should know that and behave accordingly. Whether he is a war monger or not.
BTW. He is. And he resembled Adolf Hitler in his highly emotional speeches.
there is a saying in germany: “Wer hat uns verraten – Sozialdemokraten” – “who betrayed us – socialdemocrats”.
as true as it was in 1918.
At this point, it is reasonable to ask this question: Is Merkel being blackmailed into her support for the aggressive Ukraine policy? It is not in German interests. There is no robust support for the coup criminals.
Merkel talks to Putin, comes up with some alternatives, then backs the sanctions nonsense.
Why? Inquiring minds want to know…but it seems obvious. There is some sort of extraordinary influence on her.
Hitler Reacts to the Annexation of Crimea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vTrI6CcVcg
As a Dutchman and Putin admirer I really resent the anti-German comments here and very cheap references to the Third Reich. Frank Walter Steinmeier is not an enemy of Russia and one of the saner voices of the West and someone who sincerely tries to calm things down. The vast majority of the German public (and industry) does not want conflict with Russia and the reaction of the crowd is a reflection of that sentiment. This whole mess is caused by the US only, as the Saker and many here realise. No Nuland sponsored Maidan-coup, no annexation of the Crimea. The frustration of Steinmeier is a result of him being caught between pressures from the German public and the pressure from the Yanks and being a member of the West.
I agree with the Saker that I too hope that no situation will arise that will force Putin to intervene, because time is working on the side for those who aim for regime change in zionist-run Anglosphere and the dismantlement of the NYC-London financial axis and that moment is rapidly approaching, now that the BRICS are working towards ‘de-dollarization’ and ‘de-Americanisation’ of the world. Germany and Italy in the fourties did not have enough clout and strategic depth to achieve that, but Russia and China have, and together with European nationalists and American Constitutionalists, who all are pro-Russia, we can finally get rid of Anglosphere and achieve a multipolar world, with China and Greater Europe (Paris-Berlin-Moscow + balkanized US as a junior partner) as the leading ‘poles’.
Regarding some comments about Steinmeier and Hitler, as a German I beg to differ:
There are several groups in Germany:
1)The “old Nazi” who were taken in by the first chancellor Adenauer and the USA. This group is dying out or over 90 years old (I know because we had a specimen in the family).
2)The younger ones of this group are the diehard “cold warriors”, some of them are still around (especially in the Christdemocatic Party), but also slowly dying out.
3)The Neo-Nazis, quite loud but negligible.
4)The generation of the 68th – who devoted themselves to lift the fog of forgetfulness about our history “Unter den Talaren – Muff von 1000 Jahren (Under the gowns / Is the musty odour of a thousand years). Some of them now just make money and want to live in peace.
5)The younger generation also just wants to live in peace. (Eine überwältigende Mehrheit will lieber Diplomatie als militärisches Einschreiten. 84 Prozent plädiert dafür, Russland in der Ukraine-Krise durch diplomatische Verhandlungen zum Einlenken zu bewegen.)
And then there are the politicians belonging to either the 2. Group, or are simply sycophants who have forgotten their origins and follow the money, e.g. Joschka Fischer and the greens or what if left of the Social Democrats. Steinmeier is just a despicable and wretched guy, who has lost all credibility (in comments he is often called “Außenmeier” like in Mensch Meier“ = Jeepers creepers”). See the above comment by Ralph: Ralph said… there is a saying in germany: “Wer hat uns verraten – Sozialdemokraten” – “who betrayed us – socialdemocrats”.)
By comparing him to Hitler one minimizes Hitlers evil nature.
Mulga Mumblebrain said…
Interesting. Like Hitler without the charisma. Hardly surprising as the West ensured that West Germany would be a Nazi-successor state, with only cosmetic de-Nazification. These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies, as they did with Croatia and Slovenia during the destruction of Yugoslavia.
22 May, 2014 03:53
that’s the heart of the problem…just a step behind, but enough to support nazis and its nazi allies…maybe now everybody have some better understadinf what serbia have to go through the 90’s, and what kind of propaganda was against them…
Regarding my comment above about Steinmeier and Hitler and the several groups in Germany:
I forgot one more group:
Those conservatives that were against the 68th rebels – mostly CDU electorate, this is the younger generation of the diehard “cold warriors. However, a lot of them are in the industry – so allergic to sanctions. They comment in the FAZ and are overwhelmingly against warmongering.
@ Michael Collins
Why? This is the way it works with German governments since 1945…http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.ro/2013/03/why-reparations-are-paid-to-jewish-state.html?m=1
Evia
I see different similarities.
– In 1938 Germany invaded and annexed Austria without firing a shot.
– In march 2014 Russian Federation invaded and annexed Crimea without firing a shot.
Almost all of their population in both cases will vote for a democratic reunification with motherland.
– In 1939 the provocations of the Polish government against ethnic Germans . Polish atrocities against Volksdeutsher and various massacres. England and France threatened Hitler not to invade Poland.
Hitler tried on several occasions to resolve peacefully the issue of the Germans in Danzig and in the territory of East Prussia.
– 2014 Nato threatened RF not to invade Ukraine. Start of massacres.
For now, unlike Hitler, Putin has avoided falling into their trap.
The enemy is the same enemy that had to face Hitler’s Germany.
V.N.
Crazy Ivan says…
Well, well, always the emotions…
I did say he “resembles Adolf Hitler” through his emotional behavior.
I did not say “he’s new Hitler”. Simply, I did not compared him to Hitler.
BTW. I don’t give a damn if he was pressured, being FM means responsibility in manners as well, especially in public place.
> cheap references to the Third Reich
What if I see the EU as a Fourth Reich achieved by economic means, instead of military ones?
And the scum on the streets (aka young Germans) had the temerity to doubt the hard work of their fathers (like Herr Steinmeier) which built what Hitler failed militarily?
Temerity which pissed off the FM so hard that he unwittingly revealed a true face of present Germany?
There are Many Germans who are Concerned over Germany’s support for Ukrainian Nazis, because they do not want Germany to slip back to Nazism.
We saw that the German Foreign Minister was not tolerant of a different opinion, especially those with the Correct Opinion of Not Interfering in other Countries, and we this with the concerning behavior of the German Foreign Minister, and we see this in the Video Titled: DIE WELT Video: Steinmeier schreit Gegner nieder at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX5m5swD-QU .
There are Many Germans who think that the Ukrainian Election will be Rigged, and they do not want a Nazi Ukraine, because of a Rigged Election, and we can see the reasons for concern with the Video Titled: Amazing Hitler speech after wining Germany’s election at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9fEM-MfSiU , and this is how Nazi Dictatorial America speaks Orders to its Puppet, the European Union.
This is how Hitler spoke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4eQSA7Sa2A
Steinmeier is an amateur.
Speaking of Serbia, I wish to welcome the appeal from the Patriarch Irenej and invite the good folks here to send a little help to our Serbian brothers, affected by a terrible flood.
Via Paypal, it’s possible to donate to:
[email protected]
(you can check it on Serbian Embassies websites)
There are people in dire needs there.
What you can, if you want…..
Thank you!
Mulga Mumblebrain said…
Interesting. Like Hitler without the charisma. Hardly surprising as the West ensured that West Germany would be a Nazi-successor state, with only cosmetic de-Nazification. These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies, as they did with Croatia and Slovenia during the destruction of Yugoslavia.
22 May, 2014 03:53
Mulga, how and when did the West ensure that Germany would be a Nazi-successor state? This is the first time I’ve come across that notion!
Thanks!
Mulga Mumblebrain said…
Interesting. Like Hitler without the charisma. Hardly surprising as the West ensured that West Germany would be a Nazi-successor state, with only cosmetic de-Nazification. These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies, as they did with Croatia and Slovenia during the destruction of Yugoslavia.
22 May, 2014 03:53
Mulga, what is the evidence that the West did this? I’ve never come across that notion before.
Thank you for all your comments!
@Angelika
Be careful, there is a real nazi threat in Germany. All the German secret intelligence and army and police structures and even judges are full of nazi symphatisers. Don’t forget that the Verfassungsschutz is actively supporting nazi organisations, they are at least indirectly responsible for the Döner-killings. And the investigations of the killings are a farce and protects the nazis within the Verfassungsschutz.
Also look at the soccer-ultras who have lots of weapons and are full of nazi-thugs. Look at how the statistics of violence are constantly manipulated to systematically decrease the number of racism-motivated violence and systematically increase the numbers of left-wing motivated violence.
Look at what happens at nazi-demonstrations which are often accompanied by the antifa-demos, the police is constantly preferring the nazis and beating up the antifa guys. Look what happened in Hamburg last fall/winter, the police provoked escalation of an antifa-demo and beat up a lot of people, then they were talking about curfew, they were talking about using lethal weapons if things go on like that, they fabricated an attack on one of their precincts.
Look at how lenient the judges are about police violence. Basically the police can literally beat up whoever they wish, then the police unit fabricates some ridiculous story and the judges will choose to believe the story almost always. The worst that happens to the cops is that they get a sentence just short of one that would by law require them to be fired from the police. There are countless examples of this.
In short all the law enforcement and secret intelligence structures are aligned in Germany and they care not one bit about things like democracy.
He really isn’t having a fit; he is fully in control and is raising his voice. And he is making sense (someone already posted a translation). I am against the EU and US meddling in Ukraine, but this particular speech is not wrong or offensive at all.
We do have to be fair about the excesses of our position: while we are correct that the far right in Ukraine is having a decisive influence, it is wrong to denote all western Ukrainians as fascists. It is just as wrong as denoting all east Ukrainians as separatists or, especially, terrorists. But that is the result of war: demonizing happens.
It is too bad that one of the protesters didn’t throw a shoe at this bankster puppet. The ultimate insult would have generated worldwide media coverage, right ahead of German elections. Still, the fool’s anger gets the best of him and this stooge foolishly reveals the emperor has no clothes. Rise up people of the world, and cast off the plutocratic yoke from your necks!
To use analogy in description or explanation is a tool of self obfuscation giving your opponent the strategic advantage.
To use analogy is also to eamasculate or even preclude analysis of the specific; also giving your opponent the strategic advantage.
“Representative democracy” is a prerequisite for not caring what people think.
Why be disappointed? Why should the people care?
Time for participation but not in “representative democracy” as that is a logical oxymoron.
The translations were accurate. The comparison with A Hitler became a natural reflex, but we should try to get over this. Usually German politics act without great passion.
Seeing this video confirms my conviction that they start becoming VERY nervous, the German people is not stupid and will soon act in protest.
I’m a dutch speaking Belgian with a German mother, living in France and grew up between books about WWII…
In one point I agree with Marco, the recurring Hitler comparisons are truly not appropriate. And yes, he was on a campaign.
But being on a campaign is no excuse for shouting. Somehow my impression is that he is probably more concerned than he could admit. What I have seen so far of him was always a calm and refined public representation even in difficult moments. To loose his temper is not his normal habit.
Re Angelika @0840.
Specifics and details are always important.
Since the 1970s, including the German Autumn, an accomodation was reached to de-emphasise prior associations, but they have never been forgotten –
“or are simply sycophants who have forgotten their origins and follow the money, e.g. Joschka Fischer and the greens or what if left of the Social Democrats”
Although broad brush your categorisation appears to have some validity, although perhaps lacking an adequate consideration of former Ossis.
When subjected to loud noises even the sleeping tend to wake up, usually grumpily and resentful.
On a sidenote an interview in German magazine HINTERGRUND (translated: Background). A magazine that has positioned itself as an alternative to the usual Springer-press.
German:
http://www.hintergrund.de/201405103099/politik/welt/wir-bezahlen-mit-unserem-blut-fuer-die-wirtschaftskrise-europas.html
Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.hintergrund.de/201405103099/politik/welt/wir-bezahlen-mit-unserem-blut-fuer-die-wirtschaftskrise-europas.html
Vladimir Ivanovich Markovich points at the economic reasons for the uprise of the Donetsk-region, in particular at an agreement between the EU and the current Kiew representatives to close a number of mines and steel mills.
Thus reducing competition for German/English mills. In fact the additional competition is a fear expressed eg by German steel producer Salzgitter here:
http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/aktien/Salzgitter-HV-Salzgitter-Chef-fuerchtet-neue-Konkurrenz-durch-die-Ukraine-Krise-3589011
By removing the duties for Ukraine products, Ukrainian steel suddenly has become a threat. The fear is that instead of delivering the Ukrainian production to Russia, the mills will prefer to supply EU-countries.
I wonder how much of this was discussed in the Meeting of German FM Steinmeier and Achmetov recently. Surely some sort of agreement has been reached since Achmetov suddenly “allowed” his steel workers to demonstrate and walk the streets with the police, etc.
Looking not just at the anarchy in Ukraine but also the various military activities, explosions, derailments and odd crashes that seem to be occurring with increasing frequency everywhere right now, can we say yet that the US is not going to fade away quietly? Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night.
I had really hoped justice would somehow prevail and we’d only turn on ourselves, but it does look like we’re going to take everyone else with us. I am so, so sorry.
Sorry but the story is more complicated:
Steinmeier who is guilty of helping the nazi thugs to get into power – and who also has a more or less nazi guys like Sarrazin in his party – is opposed by: right wing guys who happen to gack Putin! They are from what is called “the new right” in Germany.
The world is insane!
Since the Hitler comparison has already been made, I’ll offer another–Dr. Strangelove at the end of the movie.
As a serbian german mix I have to protest against some comments here. You will have a hard time likening modern germany to a nazi state and if you make this your POV you will have a hard time judging german actions. a normal middle-class german most likely has two or three turkish/greek/yugoslavian colleagues at work, will watch a turkish comedian on tv buy turkish veggies at the store on the corner. his partner at the bowling club may be from iran or kamerun.
so living a “normal” live in german society is not possible for a nazi-friendly person. having come back to germany after over ten years in swiss exile seeing this change was amazing.
now under the intellegentsia/nomenklatura in germany you will find a majority of people with all kindsa ethnic backgrounds who profess sentiments like: “putin is a dictator” or “greeks are corrupt and lazy”. at the same time you will find masses of people in all social strata who do not buy into the official western BS.
in short: germany is no different than most european societies (only richer) and beset by the same contradictions. i am sure not one to defend steinmeier, but his outburst, as hypocritical as it was, was not made in a warmongering sentiment, but in a long tradition of social democratic “realpolitik”.
Rer anonymous @ 0546.
You touch on an important point –
“The German language is a “hard” and scratchy language for many European nations.”
but then make an ahistorical assertion that –
“Whether you like it or not they are and they will be. And they will never be forgotten!”
The best propaganda works on the subliminal level.
Although to my knowledge no audio recordings exist in corroboration, within his circle Adolf Hitler was known for the warmth and persuasiveness of his voice.
Speech is a function of context, harmonics including timbre, and vocabulary.
The vocabulary of the period has been explored by Victor Klemperer and others.
In the 19th century German was a leading language for logic and reason – presumably not scratchy as this would have defeated the purpose.
So a hypothesis to test – When and why did German become scratchy?
Failing to understand context gives the strategic advantage to your opponent, as does the notion that change is not possible – a linear assertion in a lateral dynamic world.
If progress is to be made the process of forgetting scratchiness is likely to be a precondition.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/justice-is-dead-in-america/5383171
This is extremely important reading for anyone who wishes to understand what America has become.
Crazy Ivan,
I was wrong in the last thread. I never personally experienced tyranny, violence or repression when I was younger and I’ve lived my life with rights a lot of people never had. But I’m remembering HUAC, protests, etc. and thinking back to suffragettes, Eugene Debs, Randolph Bourne and so many others, and I really feel quite stupid. The iron fist was still deeply encased in a velvet glove, at least if you were white and didn’t push too hard. But bottom line, for all our fancy words, only privilege has *ever* exempted anyone here from tyranny — and that only insofar as they never challenged authority.
The glove is off now.
@ Michael Collins
As to your big “Why?” this link may help, http://justice4germans.com/2013/07/23/world-war-ii-never-ended-for-germany-it-remains-occupied-to-this-day-part-3/
Evia
@EVERYBODY: There is no need to bring in Hitler. Steinmeier’s fit has nothing to do with being German and everything to do with being an arrogant plutocrat serving the AngloZionist Empire. I think that to bring everything German back to Hitler is like bringing everything Russia back to Rasputin – a media cliche which really serves no analytical purpose.
So – please – let’s stick to Steinmeier and not bring in Adolf. ok?
Thanks,
The Saker
Full transcript and translation of the video:
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Ihr solltet euch überlegen wer hier die Kriegstreiber sind. Wer eine ganze Gesellschaft als Faschisten bezeichnet, der treibt den Krieg, der treibt den Konflikt. Ihr habt kein Recht.
[ Sign “Stoppt die Nazis in der Ukraine” (Stop the Nazis in the Ukraine) is shown ]
Und deshalb sei all denen in Erinnerung gerufen, die da krakeelen und schreien am Rande dieser Veranstaltung: Der Sozialdemokratie muss man nicht sagen, warum wir für Frieden kämpfen. Nicht der deutschen Sozialdemokratie.
[ Someone in the crowd shouts: “Ihr seid Kriegstreiber!” (You are war mongers!) ]
Weil wir den Frieden wollen dürfen wir es euch nicht so einfach machen. Die Welt besteht nicht auf der einen Seite aus Friedensengeln und auf der anderen Seite aus Bösewichten. Die Welt ist leider komplizierter, und Gott sei Dank gibt es einige Menschen die sich dieser Kompliziertheit widmen und Wege aus der Krise in der Ukraine suchen, meine Damen und Herren.
[ Some guy in the crowd blows a whistle ]
Dieser Protest da hinten, der zeigt, dass es immer noch Menschen gibt, die Europa nicht verstanden haben. Europa, das ist die Lehre von Zeiten, in denen sich Menschen nicht zugehört haben, in denen man auf einander geschossen hat. Ich fordere euch auf: Hört zu!
[ Another sign is shown, saying “Fuck EU”, “Weg mit EU und NATO” (Down with EU and NATO), “Weg mit diesen Kapitalfaschisten” (Down with these capital fascists) ]
Seit vier Jahren haben wir gekämpft gegen eine ökonomische Krise, die größte Krise, die wir in Europa je hatten. Und es waren Leute wie die da hinten, die immer die ganz einfachen Lehren hatten; die gesagt haben “Raus mit Griechenland. Raus mit Portugal. Zurück zur D-Mark” oder diesen ganzen anderen Blödsinn. Hätten wir auf Leute wie die da hinten gehört, wäre Europa heute kaputt.
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You should think twice about who are the warmongers here. Those who call a whole society fascists are the ones who facilitate war, who facilitate conflict. You don’t have the right [to do this].
[ Sign “Stop the Nazis in the Ukraine” is shown ]
And therefore let me remind all those of you who at the fringe of this event brawl and shout: Social democracy does not need to be told why we fight for freedom. German social democracy does not need to be told [that].
[ Someone in the crowd shouts: “You are war mongers!” ]
Since we strive for peace we must not give way to your simplistic views. The world does not consist of angels of peace on one side and villains on the other. Unfortunatly, the world is more complicated than that, but thank God there are a few people out there who dedicate themselves to that complexity and to finding ways out of the crises in the Ukraine, ladies and gentlemen.
[ Some guy in the crowd blows a whistle ]
This protest back there shows that there are still people who have not yet understood Europe. Europe, that ‘ s the lesson of periods of time at which people did not listen to each other, at which people shot at each other. I call upon you: start listening!
[ Another sign is shown, saying “Fuck EU”, “Down with EU and NATO”, “Down with these capital fascists” ]
For four years now have we been fighting against an economic crisis, the biggest crisis Europe has ever seen. And it were people like those back there who always favored the most simplistic answers; who demanded that Greece be kicked out of the EU, that Portugal be kicked out of the EU, that Germany returned to the German Mark, and all that other crap. Had we listened to people like those back there Europe would be broke today.
Slightly off topic, but I thought this essay just summed it all up nicely:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/05/china-iran-russia-restructuring-201451964119463320.html
Regards…
Well, i suppose Mr. Obama would say they same but in different words and, of course, with this extraordinary, friendly smile in his face…
The germans are like vikings. Indeed there were familiar: vikings have their roots in german tribes. So, don’t blame man for the kind of behaviour or talking. By the way: scientist found out that british people posesses 99% of german DNA. The anglesaxonian country based on german Angels, Saxonians and Juts, some celts an of course and maybe in mayority: vikings and normans – northmen – both based on german tribes. if some begin to dig, answers will be find and some will find out that we all are familar.
Peace.
strange new world: the german government supports the nazis in kiev and russia supports the nazis in germany.
@ anonymous (12:35)
Thilo Sarrazin is not the character that you would be able to dismiss with a few words, plese check his credentials in the service of German people.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/04/thilo-sarrazin-an-unlikely-champion/
Evia
germany is first in line to punish serbia, or to make some silly threats like ‘you should have to disband so callled parallel institutions in kosovo’ ( what a nerve, first they bomb the hell out of you, later gave away part of your country to someone, and at the end they demand that you have to destroy yourself completely?!)…at the same time germany is mum about racist behaviour in croatia, where they smash cirillic tables, organized referendum against cyrillic, and burning cyrillic books? croatia is under germany pressure rushed into the eu even if they are far far away from fullfiling european union standards…and silence about horrible nazis in ukraine…germany needs some hard long look into itself, what they are stand for and what values they are supporting…
Everyone is misusing the Hitler comparison these days including the English horse-faced Prince. Social Democrats can be depended upon to sell out because they really want ultimately to be safe and cozy and have no way of understanding or opposing organized evil.
They lack either a spiritual recognition of it or a political understanding. Svoboda is fascist and it can’t help but manifest itself as such. Thus, as much as they provide the manpower and inspiration for Yats. et al, there will be manifestations of fascism in the Ukraine (burning the Odessa trade union hall was classic street tactic fascism)–…they are what they are. One can’t overestimate the importance of effective leadership these days
Life News http://lifenews.ru/news/133652 reporting 10 disarmed soldiers of the 54th Brigade killed by unknown militants, possibly linked to oligarch Igor Kolomoisky – owner of “Privat” organisation. Speculates it was a punishment operations for refusing to attack the democratic forces. Location: the village Blagodatnoye.
The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/ukrainian-troops-pro-russia-militants-attack-checkpoint
reports what seems to be the same incident as an unprovoked attack on the 54th by the democratic self defence forces. (Though it doesn’t use the correct nomenclature, of course!)
kgbgb
Last night I went to bed after watching a film of a psycopath and i could not sleep until 2 a.m. because of this I did not hear the alarm clock to go to work so i am left without breakfast, but I hace come to hear on the radio( regional station ) that Prince Charles had said that Putin is the new Hitler….Compare with Steinmeier….
http://www.aimlesshorse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Vladimir-Putin-Dog.jpg
And now after lunch, this outburst…But, how the hell can you go now and take a nap?
This man scares me,If not both, equal to or more than the beasts of Pravy Sektor. And that anger, to be political….bad thing…plus it makes his pretended democratic discourse, unlikely.
Also, reminds me of Hitler´s films and documentaries, and if i also find it very hard the German language, shouted, unbearable.
Around, we don´t like or their tone, neither we have submitted “austericidio” ( Merkel,ECB, IMF, and Troika recipe ) from 6 years ago.
I await their defeat on Sunday when people have spoken.
@ everyone
With the use of “nazi” epithet on the loose here and elsewhere I believe educating on the issue won’t hurt.
http://justice4germans.com/2013/04/16/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-who-started-it-why-how-and-who-benefits/
http://justice4germans.com/2013/09/27/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-part-2-anti-hitlerism-the-rise-of-pure-bs-and-hatred/
Evia
@evia at 14:29
sarrazin is a racist and a bigot. read his books! he – for example- “explains” why arabs are less productive then germans: “they have inferior genes”. bs.
besides the only thing he can do is to stir up hatred against the weakest of the weak in Germany.
many of his views are not social democrat but right wing if not nazi. and some ppl say he was the first that promoted the “new right”.
Crazy Ivan says…
OK, OK.
I use stereotypes in thinking processes sometimes and I’m not alone in it. That’s why in first comment I didn’t mentioned AH person and finished my remark with a smiley (check it).
It’s not my fault that German showed unique German hubris and Untermenschen ideas throughout their recent history. They are not ideas of Rumpelstiltskin as well.
How the Germans are perceived by other nations is a result of their own history, I can’t help in that issue.
Mr. Steinmeier maybe loving children person and excellent violin musician but what he showed in the short film will always invoke in me a little smile and bring the image of small black mustache under his nose.
Please, respect my freedom to my own thoughts.
BTW. There are 4 countries in the world which did not finished World War II and are de jure in the state of war.
The first pair is Russia and Japan due to Kurile Islands.
The second pair is, but of course, Germany and Poland! Bingo!
Why? That’s 5 Deutchemark question.
After Second World War Poland gained so called Recovered Territories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories). Germans called them Lost Territories.
Did they count on peaceful exchange of the names? ;-) Well, not only names. ;-)
And don’t be fooled by the German–Polish Border Treaty (1990) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Polish_Border_Treaty_%281990%29).
Legally Poland and Germany are still at war from 1939!
For Russians here – the same vid with subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2dyahsfYo
A lot of the comments on this video are completely stomach churning. The ignorant brainwashed masses sprouting hate about Russia.
Some of the comments on this video are stomach churning. The ignorant brainwashed masses sprouting hate about Russia, claiming an invasion when we have only seen the oposite but that doesn’t get reported in the msm.
How’s the “imminent attack” going?
Evia 22 May, 2014 14:29
The occidental observer is a white supremacist site tailored for the mid to upper class who fancy themselves to be intellectuals and desire their bigotry to be justified with pseudo scientific and scholarly rubbish.
Sarrazin is right, which is why he is so vilified by the System.
he – for example- “explains” why arabs are less productive then germans: “they have inferior genes”. bs.
But they do.
Cosh says:
The evil men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Hitler.
His war aims have been realized – a strong Germany in a united Europe.
When the world was wrestling with the Depression, the German Economic Miracle startled everyone. He shed the International Banksters and had money issued by the Reichsbank. The US needs to free its self from the Federal Reserve system.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/13/hitler-and-the-banksters-the-abolition-of-interest-servitude/
heartfelt 16:59
Name them.
SPD after gerhard shroder in his second term has become an anglo sttoge.
The world does not consist of angels of peace on one side and villains on the other.
Strange but this is exactly what a French lawmaker stated on 26 February about the situation in the Ukraine.
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/tribun/fiches_id/695100.asp
See this web page. This is propagandamachine of the Ukrainian mafia in Kiev.
http://uacrisis.org
Who is behind this propagandachannel? Answer: George Soros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
German TV:
http://www.freitag.de/autoren/lapple08m214/zdf-skandal-berichte-im-auftrag-kiews
http://operation-gladio.net/reports-on-behalf-of-kiev-dismantling-a-modern-propaganda-agency
It is obvious that this is a scandal in Germany. Thus, it is this agency that pushes the propaganda of the western media, which are happy to receive it.
Just a clarification on the comment I made this afternoon ( 5 hours short of sleep ) to avoid confusion:
Troika= EC + ECB + IMF.
As the Bundesbank ( and the Bundestag )effectively control EC and ECB, you could say that Troika= Merkel +IMF.
Interestingly, the technicians sent to the southern countries of Europe to monitor control of the deficit and prescribed structural reforms are also calles ” men in black”.
Kind regards and good night.
( especially to inhabitants and resistant in Donbass ).
May God bless you.
Wow. Some of the comments are really stupid, just some examples. Sorry, i did not want to step on your feet intentionally, but hey, they were _your_ comments after all.
@”Mulga Mumblebrain said…
Interesting. Like Hitler without the charisma. Hardly surprising as the West ensured that West Germany would be a Nazi-successor state, with only cosmetic de-Nazification. These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies, as they did with Croatia and Slovenia during the destruction of Yugoslavia.”
“Nazi-successor state”? “only cosmetic de-Nazification” “These scum undoubtedly see the neo-Nazis and fascists as their old war-time allies”. Sorry, but you discredited yourself beyond belief.
@”Anonymous said…
Sorry but the story is more complicated:
Steinmeier who is guilty of helping the nazi thugs to get into power – and who also has a more or less nazi guys like Sarrazin in his party – is opposed by: right wing guys who happen to gack Putin! They are from what is called “the new right” in Germany.
The world is insane!”
Steinmeiner is close to Gerhard Schröder, who is close to V. Putin. I’m not defending the otherwise kinda fucked up German politicians, but Germany is, driven by economic interests, one of those on the brakes concerning Russia bashing and warmongering. Especially Steinmeier is one of the calming voices. He is attacked because of being too Russia friendly.
Calling Sarrazin a nazi guy is either stupidity at its worst or willfully spreading propaganda. Sarrazin is one of the brighter prominent persons in Germany, one of the few i like to have a beer and a chat with.
Now, not a rant on a stupid comment, some critique nonetheless.
@The Saker:
@EVERYBODY: There is no need to bring in Hitler. Steinmeier’s fit has nothing to do with being German and everything to do with being an arrogant plutocrat serving the AngloZionist Empire. I think that to bring everything German back to Hitler is like bringing everything Russia back to Rasputin – a media cliche which really serves no analytical purpose.
Not only no _need_ to bring up Hitler. Bringing up Hitler in any form where he’s being used to compare him to anyone is a thought-terminating cliché. There is just no one in the countries we speak of here which would even remotely resemble Hitler or his actions. Those who use him in contexts like these have NO FUCKING CLUE about what this guy, his ideology and actions were about (sorry for the caps).
The Saker, again, not defending German politicians and also not Steinmeier in general (having said that, he’s a calming voice and commands some RESPECT for that – he is the foreign minister of Germany and under enormous pressure in that role after all), but “being an arrogant plutocrat serving the AngloZionist Empire” is out of line, and shows that you don’t know the guy, the circumstances, the multi-faceted picture and judge very prematurely here.
-yt
@ yt
– When the ‘politicians’ get not respect but contempt from the masses, know you then that the end of the existing world order is nigh. Governments and the stooges installed therein have become irrelevant in the average person’s day to day struggle to survive.
This is tough to understand for the many pencil pushing maggots feeding off the system, but eventually they will come to grips with the cleansing tide of change.
Picture for example, a middle aged attorney, in the hot sun from dawn to dusk, digging fence post ditches; doing productive work for the first time in his life…
@Jacobo Arbenz:
Of course you are right and i wait for that change to happen.
“_When_ the ‘politicians’ get not respect but contempt from the _masses_”. (emphasis by me)
Sorry to say though, that day in not here yet, as long as the vast majority of the people are sheeple and there is no sufficient opposition. Even more so when the only opposition emerging are not even proposing a better system but instead try to mix old unsuccessful formulas with wishful thinking. Even if change would take place, i’m not holding my breath for the quality of the emerging system.
I myself would envision a system where there are _no_ career politicians for starters. A system where politicians serve only one term, then have to go back to their profession. Also, much more real democratic influence.
When i say respect to a certain politician is more merited than contept i’m being pragmatic within the system we happen to be stuck with at the moment and the specific actions of said politician. And picking on Steinmeier here is laughable, when at the same time there are so may politicians in Germany who really ought to be the ones being fought – for they endanger us all.
-yt