Gonzalo Lira: There Will Be No Peace Agreement 27415 Views June 05, 2022 Speeches, Statements and Interviews amarynth The Essential Saker IV: Messianic Narcissism's Agony by a Thousand Cuts Order Now The Essential Saker III: Chronicling The Tragedy, Farce And Collapse of the Empire in the Era of Mr MAGA Order Now Tagged Gonzalo Lira II
I don’t care what anyone says. I find Lira generally accurate, and a great communicator with a fun delivery.
Me too. Agreed!
The West is “Agreement Incapable.”
Therefore, I do not agree. … I concur.
The West Lies!
Most of the world is also going to fathom that, or already understood that.
The US Lies!
Take the ” US embassy is re-open in Kiev”–Not True!!!
My friend’s brother who is an American citizen of Ukrainian descent who is in Kiev currently and tried to renew is passport, was told to reach out to the embassy in Poland.
So, the rest of the West in likely Lying too!
The so-called re-opening of western embassies in Ukraine, much broadcasted across the media-sphere, most likely did not occurred.
Lira gets the overall picture right and has a great delivery. What is not clear is why the SBU continues to allow him to put out his videos. Perhaps elements in the SBU can see how this is going and want the suicide mission to end. Fighting down to the last Ukrainian may be good for US/NATO interests but it is sure not good for the average Ukrainian even the ones who hate Russia.
While Russia may have to defeat the entire Ukraine I don’t think that they will occupy the western part. Defeat the forces in the west then pull back like Georgia in 2008.
if Z is gone somehow(military or SBU arrest).. if military is gone… SBU is just awaiting in the wings with their own brand of terrorism to be puppet government?
Imo. galicia most anti-rus portion ofukraine cant be allowed to exist. it is absolutely
dreadful to consider, more than likely become eastern Poland. otherwise, good msg, bill, yes?
I think that if the western part of the country is defeated then it will be very hard for them to become a threat to Russia any time soon.
From their actions Russia would have preferred that Zilensky honored the Minsk agreements. It is clear that was never a realistic outcome. Russia will now have to play a major role in building back the Donbas region. It will cost a lot but in the end if the Donbas can become a peaceful and prosperous area then it will be worth it.
Once the Donbas is rebuilt and the Russians don’t occupy the western part of the country then maybe the people living there will come to their senses and realize that Russians don’t want to be enemies. Better to have friends instead of enemies of your own making.
I also find him very sympatic. A refreshing boost in an otherwise mostly serious and grave time. Good engergy.
Obvious, Russia has anything left to lose and much to gain, once forced to start the SMO and once seen the full IO against the Russian nation and its peoples unleashed in the West.
In fact, it was clearly obvious since the support of a nazi junta by the whole West, I think Russian elites had it clear since the Maidan happened…
In fact, those same terms have been already stated by Lavrov, Patrushev and Medvedev…
Very clearly explained indeed! Always a pleasure to listen to Gonzalo Lira.
I wonder: is a Nicolae Ceaușescu moment likely to arise in Ukraine when the Ukrainian generals arrest and execute Zelensky?
It is doubtful that Zelensky is even there. When the Russian SMO gets to Kiev, I expect they will find that the presidential living quarters have been vacant since February.
I have wondered the same thing about the USA .. “Ceaușescu moment”? But the answer is no, it is far too large and has too much momentum in the direction it is headed. Not yet, at least.
Wont fight, run away, hands tied behind back shot to the head. Let’s stick a missile defence system in the children’s playground of this tower block. Forget about burying our dead, pile them up and booby trap the bodies. Torture POW’s. This is the behaviour of the savages that run Ukraine, their CIA/NATO grandees/ instructors condone this savagery.
Russia must be brutal as no amount of talk can resolve the threat to them on their border. a complete cull, nothing less, as like weeds they grow back.
Don’t sell energy to fuel terrorism. The EU & America are terrorist states. Cut them off at the umbilical cord.
Makes sense that there will be no peace agreement. Will Western heads explode in shock when they realize that Russia, which according to them is losing the war, refuses a peace agreement? I would love to watch the faces of the negotiators as they realize that Russia insists on meeting the stated objectives of the SMO.
Arestovich literally said that if Russia wins 500,000 of Ukrainian soldiers will join Russia, so their goal is to prolong the war so that Russia gets Ukraine in bad condition
Join Russia? Where did he say this? What does it mean?
Very convincing points, hard to argue them
Gonzalo, one of your best articulated vids to date. When the Orcs talked about negotiation once Russia retreats…..you know it’s over…..for the Orcs, they are divorced from reality.
It’s existential for Russia. It understands West wants it to be pariah and destitute. West wants full spectrum domination of ROW. Russian bear is awake now and the mauling will be so severe that the West’s capacity to nuke, napalm, use depleted uranium weapons, genocide, holocaust, and other Nazi traits will cease.
Survival – Russia – Multipolarity
The nightmare machine of the ‘collective West’. At the end of the XIX century, its intellectuals dreamed of revolution. Russia did it. Of communism, they have only talked about, Russia lived it for seventy years. Then neoliberal capitalism came and Russia was a wild fair, in the 90s no one deregulated, privatized, neoliberalized and left more ‘space’ for ’entrepreneurship’. The greatest fortunes have been built in Russia, starting from nothing, without rules and without limits. Russia really believed in it, but it didn’t work out.
Now start again. The hegemon (Unilpolar) system is in danger because it can no longer exercise power in the face of reality. Russia is playing the music again. Play it again Vlad…
It is stunning and sad to see Europe commit suicide for WEF-Obama-Biden-Soros-Nuland-CIA-State Dept-Barbara Lerner-Spectre-Kaligeiri.
All these WEF (World Economic Forum) politicians in Europe, Canada, Australia, USA, UK. The European women in smart suits and in the EU. Pure evil. Forced Vaccinations with toxic”vaccines” and picking a fight with Russia. Woke Europe cannot field an army to beat Russia nor can the woke USA or UK. \
Russians do not do woke and non-binary gender confusion.
I am an American, born and raised. I’m also eastern European. I also love care deeply about Russia and Russian people. Many of us are absolutely pissed and disgusted with our entire government from every aspect. FDA, FBI, Biden administration, many of the conservatives who are nothing but MIC lackeys. We have been taken over by leftist globalist scum. I have 2 very dear Russian friends who happen to be women. They have very different views but both are cynical even though one is pro-Putin to an extent and the other is basically an uninformed liberal. Neither REALLY understand what is at stake with this war or how adamantly and quickly the west would turn Russia into the next Yugoslavia if given the opportunity. I’m glad Russia has strong nationalist men running its country right now. Women have zero business running countries. American women are more interested in gender pronouns and killing babies and other liberal issues than understand how corrupt and vile our government is. We in America are in for a very big wake up call as our fake economy and the unipolar world collapses. Most of us have no say in this stupid country anymore. Many of us would gladly support a blitzkrieg of bombs falling on DC and the Pentagon. A very big one for Nancy Pelosi and Ocasio Cortez. Even bigger ones for Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham. Milley should be drawn and quartered along with the fat Austin.
I am with you, nikolai….93 y o wasp whose eng ancestor arrived Massachusetts 1635, abusing natives worse than slavs.
‘Women have zero business running countries. American women are more interested in gender pronouns and killing babies and other liberal issues than understand how corrupt and vile our government is.’
And they are preferred over males for precisely those reasons. For most (not all) women, emotional thinking tends to predominate over dispassionate logic and is generally easier to manipulate. Consider, as only one of many examples, how easily they’ve been persuaded that wage slavery for themselves and day care for their children represents some kind of ‘liberation’. The familial economic and cultural impacts of labor force doubling and child indoctrination are, of course, of little consequence compared with their new ‘freedoms’ to decide the fate of all offspring without any paternal involvement whatever let alone consent.
It’s ‘equality’ don’tcha know. Or is it now ‘equity’?. One is never quite sure with ‘politically correct’ newspeak. In any case, its corporate sponsors and governmental enablers are most unlikely to renounce or abandon their own accrued benefits even if women themselves came to a better understanding. Any male understanding and influence is now utterly inconsequential.
The Canadian Prime Minister, Trudeau is rarely seen in public as he knows there is an underlying rage against him. He hid from the Freedom Convoy, recent public appearances cancelled, 20′ x 30′ signs of Phuck Trudeau.
Watched the Freedom Convoy with great interest. Trudeau may be legally the Prime Minister but he’s really just another meat puppet for the Trans-Atlanticists.
The USA govt now is as corrupt and evil as the Ukraine. The Ukriane was Congress and the US Govt money laundering business. Pelosi’s kid, Kerry’s step son, Romney’s kid and Hunter Biden to name a few plus the bioweapons labs. The USA sends aid in the form of billions and everyone gets to skim their cut.
Plus they made trillions off of bioweapons viruses like Covid. The Russians know this. Trump has also pointed this out.
By intention or otherwise, otherwise, Covid and The Ukraine stand for austerity, now being realised as austerity gone seriously wrong.
Things you learn from a guy stuck in Krakow. The Orcs had stockpile of fissile material.
Gonzalo just gets better with his information……another great vid.
Gonzalo is right. But wrong to claim Medvedev is a nationalist. Medvedev didn’t do so well as President. Most Russians view him as too much pro-West. Today Medvedev is talking tough but its seen as an attempt to get Presidency once again. It won’t happen.
Spot on that Russians will not agree to a negotiated settlement. Putin told Ukies leaders “If they continue behaving the way they are they are behaving Ukraine may lose its statehood…” I believe we reached and passed that stage when Zelensky and his bisexual adviser Arestovich played games with initial negotiations. Indeed they politically assisted Putin when they sabotaged negotiations because Russians didn’t view those negotiations as worthy. They had no public support.
Now I even doubt whether Russia will even agree to a Ukraine surrender without taking territories all the way to Odessa. Kharkov too. Thus alternative and ONLY sensible solution is take ALL of Ukraine. The US/EU/Nato have given Russia no other alternative as they keep supplying weapons. Russia may as well conclude that whatever remains of Ukraine would be made a thorn on Russian back as US/EU/Nato are not sane enough.
In US Obama/Biden is viewed as anti-West / pro-China.
Obama has a long record of firing pro-West generals.
I have thought for some time that Russia may have to take Ukraine up to the River Dnieper and leave the western part to fester.
I believe Russia will never do that.
1. When one looks at Nov/Dec 2021 Proposed Treaties by Russia to Nato/US, the aim was to have Ukraine and Georgia declared NEUTRAL. Like Finland has been since WW2. Not a member of any military alliance. US/Nato literally told Russian to go screw. Now what would be rationale of taking one part of Ukraine and then leave the other part to be armed and groomed once more as an anti-Russia outpost?
2. Some People have proposed that Western Ukraine be taken over by Poland. But this is even WORSE. Again, in the proposed Treaties Russia wanted foreign military bases, soldiers and weaponry in Romania and Poland redeployed to 1997 Nato bounders. As in no US or any other military bases/soldiers/weaponry in countries that joined NATO AFTER 1997. Reason being NATO-Russia Founding ACt was executed then.
Now based on that WHY would Russia agree for Poland to move into Western ukraine when still a NATO member!? While Poland still hosts US MK41 missile launchers!?
Zelensky should have negotiated immediately before hostilities started OR immediately SMO started. Now he can only sign a surrender terms which would simply render Ukraine as whole unit nonexistent. Russians have paid a higher price in blood and economic to just leave Ukraine.
Zelinsky is a USA puppet. That fact that they are now backing off is only for the stupid. USA was heavily invested in Ukraine in bioweapons, agriculture and fuels. They also primed the fools to take on Russia for their hegemonic interests.
Zelinsky reads out CIA/pentagon disinformation everyday. He is first and foremost a clown, and so is sleepy Joe, mouthpieces for the chosen few.
The Nazis that completely control the Jew zelinsky will either kill him or the Americans/Israel will do it. It does not matter to Russia.
At this point, Russia is not interested in negotiations, despite all the new iniatives coming from the west, including Turkey, whose allegiance changes everyday, depending on the wind.
The slow process gives the West more reasons to come up with propaganda to say how Russia is losing. Now they are promoting negotiations.
America going all over the world trying again to get countries to pour more oil at the detriment to their own economies is a sign of western power and superiority to others, as some might think.
It is the same scenario with the grain crisis, where Russia is blamed and the talk of Africa starving is pervading. The truth is Europe wants the grain, at the expense of Ukrainians for themselves to keep up the pretense that they are somehow winning their sanctions war.
Not one grain will reach Africa, and so the Africans met Putin, after school went to Africa to pickup the pieces that France lost, telling them to support us white imperialism and forget Russian friendship. Such is the nature of the beast.
America, German and all the rest can talk everyday about funding for their military, but the real truth is Russia can destroy all of us, on it’s very own. So can China. Keep listening to your paid arm-chair generals if it makes you fell better.
Not sure what your last sentence means, but Russia has not paid any high price, considering that they have taken on the entire west and beating them everyday.
Russia tried negotiating a settlement, it was called the Minsk accords.
Russia isn’t stupid, they’ve learnt their lesson, agreements with the West are worthless.
Why would they negotiate another agreement with the West ?
“Why would they negotiate another agreement with the West?”
Especially after Biden and others have stated that the overall plan is to weaken Russia and damage its economy. While that is obvious it boggles the mind that they would publicly state it. I am sure this has been heard by the majority of Russians loud and clear. You don’t negotiate with someone whose main goal in life is to destroy you. Particularly when you did everything possible to avoid the conflict in the first place.
I share Gonzalo’s assessment 100 %. So many years of lies plus amnesia result in no trust. It was probably very tough to make the decision regarding the SMO with knowing the repercussions a.s.o.. If you want to really protect those for whom you start the SMO then it really must make a difference …
Here comes the fun part. English is not my mother tongue.
Any time I hear Ukraine, I hear „You Crane“ and then I think about a crane that transports the old weapons from the „charitable“ countries to the wasteyards, which brings up the opportunity of purchasing newer and better ones. It is like a cartoon. If someone has the gift to draw it … just go ahead, no copyright ;)
I come across really great cartoons that condense the current political situation in such an excellent way.
For example here: https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/05/27/former-virginia-state-senator-and-purple-heart-winner-warns-were-at-a-1914-moment/
It would be great to have a good collection. I just put it into the search box and those cartoons that came up are certainly not the ones that I mean.
I wish all of us a wonderful Whitsunday – and God‘s blessings …
According to this interview on Russian state television, Russia has decided it must fight all of NATO, becauseNATO is interfering with the special operation. That means WWIII is officially here.
WWIII has been on for decades, and is about to end. The Empire who have been given generous terms of capitulation refuse to talk, has freaked out, and is burning down the house in spite.
To have it all means Russia has to occupy it all, which hasn’t been their goal, and may not even be possible, and certainly not advisable.
They do need the US to sign on to any agreement, if they’re to force them to admit they lost, and under what terms.
Keep in mind, wars cost money… and blood. Russia is watching that closer than you seem to be, friend.
“They do need the US to sign on to any agreement,…”
No, Russia doesn’t need the US…to sign…anything…
You’d might get an idea…and this article was written on February 24, 2021 (mind you, in 2021)
Psst! _I_ am “Seer.” Would appreciate it if you could pick another name so as to not confuse folks.
While I am not of the mind that Russia’s aims were to “occupy it all” (never has there been a mention of this), there is still the possibility of Russia running its SMO throughout the entirety of Ukraine in order to do exactly what its initially stated goals were: 1) Demilitarize; 2) De-natzification. I’ll note that I have discounted the possibility of Russia running its military through Ukraine’s west: I have no real skin in this game of predicting; it’s a bit of a guess, just the same as it is with anyone else; outcomes are based on a changing landscape, in which case we cannot know what will change to then alter the course. IF I had to offer an outlook on what will happen in the west of Ukraine, as I HAVE done [perhaps on MOA?], it is that Ukraine might cease to exist, that Poland will settle behind the scenes, with Russia, to take over the rats nest that is western Ukraine: Poles can deal with the nazis; perhaps Russia could assist- yes, I understand that Poles detest the Russians, but sometimes things change, and this would be a perfect time for a positive change- Poland needs to ask “itself” what its future is going to be after the US collapses (ALL EMPIRES COLLAPSE); that Poland will have to change is not the question, it’s WHEN.
Russia threw in the towel on any settlement following the talks that Turkey hosted: the US told the coke-head to NOT do ANY agreement, so that was the end. Since this time the Russians decided that they will completely break from the West and never look back. The West is now non-existent, other than to be something to purge from Russia’s sphere of influence.
Also, and I’m not quite sure I got the entire meaning of your last paragraph correct, but, yes, wars cost money. I’d made this point some time back (either here or at MOA), stating that Russia is likely going to outlast the “West” due to the West starting to hemorrhage economically.
“that Poland will settle behind the scenes, with Russia, ”
No, it’d be too hard for Poles, as they are russo-hates (not to mistake with Russophobia).
And history tells us that nations never change?
I was laughed at when I said that the Saudis would shift toward Russia.
Geopolitics is what creates NEW history. Would be hard to find any country that wouldn’t like more land. Poles aren’t an exception. Again, long-term the US will cease to have anyone’s back (if people aren’t seeing this yet then they are destined for history’s dust bin). Will the Poles actually figure things out? We’ll see. If they choose wrongly they too might end up like Ukraine.
If Russia goes slow enough Poles will get to see what kind of great neighbors their western Ukrainian “friends” really are. Russia changed since WWII. Poland needs to grow up or die.
Poland and Russia are two historical enemies (competitors ?) who respect each other.
Poles are not Russophobic.
The next Polish government could even come to an agreement with Russia and continue the denazification in the west of Ukraine.
“…Poles can deal with the nazis;…”
No they can’t, at least not in a good way. The Poles themselves have a questionable history with the Reich.
It is essential to gain controll over the Galicia region, this is the Vipers nest … and prime target for de-nazification.
Psst, I am “seer”, and you can pick another name if you wish.
Unlike the US, the Russians aren’t stupid, and will never turn their back on legit negotiations. They’re using warfare in a straightforward way, one many have forgotten, to achieve strategic ends. If those can come without more war, then war ends posthaste.
The only outlier would be a thin occupation of the west, which would give the US what they want, an opportunity to bleed them longterm. I doubt the Russians are that foolish, and will stick to more sensible operations.
They need that eastern army to get up out of their holes and go home. That will require all of their military and diplomatic wiles, particularly in getting the US and Euros to ink the necessary agreements. Otherwise, this will all linger like after Minsk.
Spot on! They went in fully ready to take on all of NATO, if expands, even up to WW3. They have their alliances & other nations in the wings. There are other nations seeing the “expansion” of NATO as a “global military alliance” & they are all ready to end NATO as is now. Back to just Ukraine, completely agree, in addition, outside of the fact that the “agreement” would be a pack of lies, there’s no incentive either, no sanctions or any other bs would change.
Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The strategic plan of Russia in this war is to reach the administrative borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as well as to capture the entire Kherson, Zaporozhye regions, enter Zaporozhye and Nikolaev, which will create the prerequisites for a further offensive to capture the Dnieper and Odessa. How much effort and time they will need to concentrate troops capable of solving this problem is unknown, but they are not going to stop, – Arestovich.
I believe this.
That was a very good insight into the Russian mind, it rang very true. These insights will never appear on the pages of Western newspapers, at least, not for a decade or three when finally someone sets out to investigate how the West lost so badly.
The US isn’t at war with Russia, it’s at war with Putin. This became obvious at the end of WW2, all the blame was put on Hitler and a few cronies so the rest of Germany could go back to being a trusted allies against Russia. The US would love to be able to exploit the vast mineral wealth of Russia, and that would be easier with a compliant population. Russia Good, Putin Bad.
Umm.. doesn’t VVP enjoy immense support among the Russian people? Aren’t the Russian people now awake and aware of the intentions and malice of the West? Taking out Putin won’t change this dynamic, imo. Not sure what you’re getting at there?
I think “bogeyman Putin” is Media optics. They don’t want to talk about what happens on the ground, but rather how Putin made millions …
In the same way as “West is evil” here Media promote “Putin is evil”
The key strategic question ( if one does not want this little war to escalate in 2023 and 2024 dramatically ) is…..
How to provide a face saving exit for the war party in Washington ?
re: “The West lies.”
Since the fall of the USSR there has been an attitude among the U.S. ruling class that we don’t have to abide by any agreements previously made or make any new agreements, or if any such agreements are made by one administration the next one can simply rescind them – witness the Iran nuclear deal. This arrogance is a result of the “we won they lost” mentality that turned loose the darkest aspects of their character. It is clearly fascistic in its orientation and its target is anyone, including the American people, that they feel stands in the way of “full spectrum dominance”, which is nothing less than the control of air, sea, space and all attendant resources.
To quote Rod Serling:
“It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.”
Clearly, 9/11 was orchestrated to provide the excuse for pouring endless trillions of $ into a bloated cold war military machine that could no longer be justified. That they had to kill thousands of Americans to do it was of no concern to them. American citizens are looked upon no differently than the rest of the world, that is, we are cattle to be herded about and slaughtered if needed in order to further the agenda of the fascist elite that are running the show via their control of trillions of $ of wealth.
As Professor Peter Phillips wrote:
The few thousand people controlling global capital amount to less than 0.0001 percent of the world’s population. They are the transnational capitalist class (TCC), who, as the capitalist elite of the world, dominate nation-states through international treaty agreements and transnational state organizations such as the World Bank, the Bank for International Settlements, and the International Monetary Fund…[the ultimate goal of the TCC is that] Capital would be free to travel instantly and internationally to anywhere that profits are possible, while nation-states would become little more than population containment zones.
Unfortunately, while these mega-rich fascists control untold wealth, they’re just not that bright. Oh, but they think they are, and they will point to their Ivy League degrees as proof, but they are nothing more than an incestuous bunch of “upper crust C-students who know no history or geography”, to quote Kurt Vonnegut, who are living in an echo chamber of their own propaganda and are drunk on their own Kool-Aid. For decades they’ve been able to stomp about the world killing, maiming and displacing literally millions of human beings with no consequences to themselves. They think, like Hitler, that Russia is just a house of cards (“a gas station masquerading as a country”) and that all they need do is kick the door down and it will all collapse. Clearly, they overthrew the elected government of Ukraine to install their fascist puppet regime as a staging ground for what they thought would be a breakup of Russia into manageable chunks which they could then plunder, with China next on the menu. Mental midgets like Victoria Nuland are the ones running U.S. policy. But Russia’s SMO has thrown a giant monkey wrench into the works and they are now scrambling to salvage the situation, even as they strangle themselves with sanctions aimed at Russia. They are also making it clear to the rest of the world that the dollar-based global monetary system will be turned on them if they get out of line, causing them to re-think the whole enchilada.
The average American could not care less about Ukraine. The madness and insatiable greed of the elites is now affecting their ability to put gas in the car and food on the table. The pain is palpable and those people already on the edge mentally after the Big Pharma giveaway disguised as a “pandemic” that resulted in unnecessary lockdowns which threw the global economy into disarray are now shooting up elementary schools, grocery stores and hospitals. It has to at least be considered that these people are part of some MKUltra-type mind control in order to further destabilize America and justify disarming ordinary citizens, in addition to keeping citizens at each other’s throats so as not to focus on the elites.
Where this stops, only God knows. But today in the New York Times we read:
President Vladimir V. Putin warned that Moscow would hit targets it had so far avoided if Western nations began delivering longer-range missiles to Ukraine.
We can only hope that there is someone in the western power elite that still has a functioning brain that will stop the inexorable march to WWIII. But I fear that the stupidity and greed of these people is such that they think a nuclear war is not only survivable, but potentially profitable.
“We won they lost mentality”. Please remind us which war the US has won on its own against a first class adversary since 1776? As far as I can remember, 0, not even one. And don’t get me started with WW2 when the Soviet Union did most of the fighting in Europe. When the U.S. and British and Canadians landed in Normandy, Zhukov’s armies were already getting close to Prussian and Poland.
re: “Please remind us which war the US has won”
I was referring to the cold war. After the collapse of the USSR there was the idea here that “We won”, which spawned the “We won they lost mentality” to which I referred. Reagan and the ghouls surrounding him were patting each other on the back Ever since then we’ve considered ourselves – and operated as – the “sole superpower” with no restraints.
Lira is alwasy interesting and perceptive. One point I’d add to reinforce his point about Medvedev is that he must be still smarting about the way he was shafted by the West over Libya when he was President. He was conned into agrreing to Western demands for a UN authorised no fly zone which turned into a fig leaf for massive western intervention to destroy and murder Gadaffi. He’s not going to make the same mistake twice. As a side note, I wondered at the time why Medvdev was being apparently side-lined to the Security Council, but I think it’s now clear he was being moved away from any blame for some of the tough measures Putin needed to take, and kept fresh to succeed to the Presidency when Putin decides to step down. He is clearly reinforcing his claim by every statement he makes
As for no negotiated settlement, I’m not so sure. A skilled diplomat – and the Russians still understand diplomacy even if it’s a lost art in the West – knows how to get their way, while allowing their opponent to save face. As Andrei Martynov ceaselessly points out, we don’t know the Kremlin’s war aims and these are likely in any case to be fluid. I would , however, wager Russia is not going to push to the Polish border. In any case, they won’t need to as Ukraine will collapse or be forced to negotiate long before that. I cannot see any advantage for Russia in having to deal with a potentially hostile population in western Ukraine. If they can take Odessa and wrap up the East to the Dneiper river, as a good natural boundary, they would have the makings of a sympathetic “neutral” state of Novorussia as a buffer. They could then insist on a rump demilitarised east, with maybe Poland, Roumania and Hungary allowed to take chunks, as a sop. The challenge would be whether this could be dressed up as some sort of concession to the West.
” One point I’d add to reinforce his point about Medvedev is that he must be still smarting about the way he was shafted by the West over Libya when he was President.”
Thank you for your projection of “The American Way”.
Your point? Perhaps you’d care to elucidate?
Just a guess, but I’m thinking that MrBumble was pointing out that your comment (which is good) pretty much indicts Medvedev as being tricked, something which IS “The American Way.”
…your projection of “The American Way”
That’s what most do, for they haven’t even met a Russian before, or spoken to a Russian in Russian.
Anyway, they are all from Питер (Peter)…Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov, Miller and few others, and it’s a team…👍
I get it. Western governments and the elites who control them are immoral and incapable of contract as they are completely devoid of any scruples and simply lie behind a wall of legalese and propaganda. An a miniscule citizen of one of these spiritual dumpster fires, I am well aware that these governments and elites have abrogated their own social contract with their own populations while putting out pretense otherwise.
We all know the adage that Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Extreme stupidity is believing anything by the West. America LIES and LIES and will LIE …….Europeans are just useful idiots destroying themselves….
The Jury is still out about whether US took over Germany, or whether the Nazis took over US.
Both Soros and Klaus Schwab are WWII nazis. EU was plan B for the nazis.
Neither I would say. A fusion of the third reich and its former backers became the fourth Reich.
Post-war Germany became run by CIA (standard procedure, same in Japan, same in East-Germany, but the other side).
Who were CIA? Bingo. CIA were the nazis. Allen Dulles is a nazi.
I.e. the nazis took over post-war Germany.
Check Victor Ostrovsky about his Mossad killing German problem politicians.
(Mossad is doing the nazi foot work?)
“In Argentine Haven for Fugitive Nazis, April Means Chocolate Eggs and Hitler Parties” (Bariloche)
A common destination for US presidents, meeting the WWII fugitives. I include Obama.
“Obama to visit Patagonian tourist city Bariloche on Argentina trip”
By 1945 the Nazis were already space power, a nuke power, and able to cross Antarctic to Arctic in 30 minutes. You don’t mess with them then.
“able to cross Antarctic to Arctic in 30 minutes.”
You’re mistaken kjell, Mussolini is responsible for that, he made the trains run on time!
Admiral Byrd was obviously allowed to let them demonstrate such a flight for him.
– Buzz Aldrin has tweeted an ominous warning on Twitter this week, claiming that “we are all in danger. It is evil itself,” accompanied by a picture of a pyramid at the South Pole.
Distance half the world is larger than US to Russia. Those nuke missiles run at 5 mach?
The German crafts we are talking about could outrun a missile?
Slow to saddle. Keep in mind that Russia has taken 25% of Ukraine with their Defense Force. For the last 100-days Russia has been assembling their Offensive Force.
On the Black Sea there are now 19 troop transports standing by to take Odessa. Russian troops in the North have been amassed with top line tanks, to attack Kiev.
Russia will now attack Kiev, Kiev will get reinforcements, Russia will stop the attack on Kiev and pin Ukrainian troops in Kiev. Russia now lands in Odessa and takes over the South if not the whole country. In Dondass the slow grind will continue.
The SMO is not against Ukraine, it is against the US and its NATO proxies.
Aside from being agreement incapable, the US is unwilling and unable to stand down. Welcome to WWIII.
Brother G is right, but seems to imagine that denazification is a policy limited to 404, that the borders of 404 have a magic quality.
For Russia, there must be a cascade of denazification, it begins in 404, and ends in “Rome”. And without nazis, what would Rome look like? What would Rome be then?
This guy is a little different and I’m still not sure about him. I listen to his broadcasts and generally understand and agree so maybe its just me being leary. I’m a firm believer of being leary of anyone I dont know.. You know tnats good and wise. Don’t trust people unless you know they really are one of the chosen ones believers in God.
Well concerning peace I dont want no peace agreement with evil. I want evil destroyed. I may be getting old and moldy but I will fight on the side of good if theirs a battle between good and evil . You know hat I’m saying, right,
The filth must go. The world must finally have the will to end the promotion of moral filth by jews and those controlling the west.
God bless Russia and tneir friends and President Putin all Russian people my Russian friend and her family and all God fearing peoples.
Pray without ceasing and give thanks in all things. Yes it’s the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning all chosen ones of God.
Lira haven’t raised any red flags for me. However, I always leave room for disappointment.
For the west, ceasefires are only a ploy to regroup against someone, and rearm their proxies. We saw this in Syria multiple times whenever the Syrian Arab Army was winning. Russians know ceasefires are BS. So that won’t happen.
I disagree with Gonzalo here. If Russa ever wanted to occupy Ukraine they would have started the SMO in a completely different way. They’d have sealed the western boarder. Zelenskiy is alive just because he’s the leader whom the West recognizes. Therefore he has to sign the capitulation to shut the mouth of the West. Unfortunately I don’t know the title of the video from last year or 2020 where at a conference attended by Merkel, Zelenskiy and Putin Zelenskiy openly refused the implementation of the Minsk Agreement. Which he and his predecessor have successfully sabotaged for years anyway. This made Putin seemingly very upset. He mumbled under his nose “You signed it, therefore you’ll be forced to fulfill it, my beauty”. The micros caught it. IMO Russia will occupy Odessa and by this cut off Ukraine not only from natural ressources but also from the sea. The Black Sea will become a russian lake and NATO won’t ever get access to it. That’s way Kissinger, Biden and everybody want peace negotiations now. Before Odessa is captured. So yes, there will be no real peace talks, but Russia won’t occupy entire Ukraine. There’s already pressure on Zelenskiy to surrender. I bet he will. And then he’ll disappear in Izrael for good. After a temporary military government there will be held new presidential elections (or Janukovich gets reinstated).
Maybe the plan has changed or probably more correct will possibly change in the near future. Russia is also reacting to events. I read a Russian law maker saying as much because of the actions of Nato, including the continual influx of weapons, etc then the SMO should expand.
This makes what was done at the start of the SMO not totally reflect what is going to happen.
– That’s way Kissinger, Biden and everybody
Kissinger is a Putin guy, not a Biden guy.
– IMO Russia will occupy Odessa and by this …
Odessa is historically a Jewish capital. The Jewish Ukraine was South = what Russia is fighting for.
West and North of Ukraine is not Jewish Ukraine.
I lagely agree with you. I think the historical Russian part will be re-integrated with Russia all the way to Oddessa/Transnistria. How ever, I think they will gain control of the rest of Ukraine … not as an occupation, but probably more as a Nazi purge with or without the agreement of the new Regime in former Ukraine. Arrangement will also have to be made for deprogramming of the general population via school/media.
I believe it is planned for a battle to the end, and in the last moment Zelensky will exit to make an government in exile. London have already made their offer of such arrangement. In this way the West will never accept a new regime as ‘legitimate’.
I doubt Janukovich will have any future in Ukraine, his supporters came from the regions that soon will be part of Russia proper. Maybe as a regional player, as he now the area well.
The war is not against Ukraine, it is against the US and its NATO proxies. Ukraine is just the first skirmish. Russia will not stop until its borders are secure. That means Europe denuclarized, demilitarized, and hopefully denazified.
Europe is the tipping point and hangs in the balance. It will take years but eventually internal regime change driven by pissed-off populatations will reconcile with Russia and reap the rewards of doing so. If not it is going to be a very bad time for them. NATO and the EU will splinter and fall apart, and we are already seeing the beginnings of that. Unanimous consent is absent and various EU and NATO “leaders” (US puppets) are looking at changing to majority rule, which will accelerate their collapse.
Either way the US is toast. Internal strife exacerbated by global military misadventures has already bankrupted the country to the tune of > $1 trillion a year for decades PLUS inflation from supply chain disruptions, commodities specualtion and corporate price gouging that will cause a civil war. External enemies will be blamed and scapegoated for Empire’s self-imposed collapse and there is no telling how far the psychopaths will go to deny that they are the cause.
That is exactly the way I’d view it. It would be particularly horrible if Poles were allowed to benefit in any way from the special op.
Yes and this very moment some very rich people in Natostan are pacing back and forth, scratching their heads wondering what the hell they can do about it. US war tactics involve bullying and bombing much weaker nations citizens as well as paying terrorists to do their dirty work. Its a totally different kettle of fish when facing the might of the Russian army! Neither does it help Natostan that they are run by total imbeciles.
Russia knows the West leaders are corrupt,morally bankrupt and crucially are deceitful liars. In Ukraine,Russia cannot stop and will not stop until all goals are met.Putin said as much and its often repeated.
Don’t forget that the Russians supported the Minsk Agreements. The DPR and LPR had the Ukrainians on the ropes in a cauldron in 2018 (?) around the time the LPR and DPR took the Donetsk airport. The DPR and LPR did not really want this Minsk Agreement cease fire.
So what did the NWO-Globalist-Nuland-Soros-Obama do? They started building up the Ukie military to start the war back up. Russia will not get burned again. Putin knows negotiating with the Neocons US State Dept-CIA-NWO is a waste of time. Unless Trump comes back and cleans house then Putin will not waste his time.
American Clif High who builds huge databases to predict the future by gathering up everything from the Internet is incredibly smart. He said this is part of the 1,100 year old war between Russia/Russian Orthodox Church against the evil Khazarian Mafia (KM) aka “the name stealers.”
The KM included the Bolsheviks who murdered the Czar and his family including children and 25 million Christian Russians. Russia has to get these oligarchs like Pinchuk, Kolomoisky and others or take away everything they have. Cleanse Odessa and the rest o fthe Ukraine of this KM filth.
👉 “In his speech of February 24, Vladimir Putin stated the two objectives of his operation: “demilitarize” and “denazify” the Ukraine. So, it was not a question of taking over Ukraine, nor even, presumably, of occupying it; and certainly not of destroying it.”
“Negotiated peace agreement” is a conversation the Idiotic West is having with itself.
Only the losing party in a conflict spews out bilge like this.
In the most generous interpretation, it may just be playing for time to get troops and weapons to UKR. hahahahaha—good luck with that, also.
(NYC woman with Russian ancestry and common sense.)
Ask any Native American, what a deal or Treaty with the American government is worth.
Nothing is the answer, only heartache.
Finally….. Gonzalo gets it…..
Operation Bagration II began on 24 Feb 2022, when Operation Barbarossa II
failed after 8 crushing years to destroy the DonBas…
The Russians are going to Berlin….!
Get it now???
I was thinking, really it dawned on me today. That they way that Russia is executing this SMO is just a precursor to the inevitable war with NATO and the west. Look at the way Russia is rotating troops (chechans too) and commanders into and out of the SMO. It looks like a stop and go thing but the Russians are giving all their troops and commanders practical battle field experience. During this process they are also finding out who is suited for command on the battle field and who is suited for command in other vital areas. Russia understands that one day they will have to fight the west and what a better place to learn how to beat the west than fighting NATO trained and supplied military in the Ukraine.
The Russians are being gentle to the Ukraine as well they should be. I do not believe that they will show such restraint against the west. Ramzan Kadyrov and the Chechen’s have already said that they are ready to go full tilt into Poland.
They now know how the west fights and they know their field commanders that are effective and competent against the NATO Alliance. This is just what I am thinking, I could be totally wrong. The Russian stop and go tactics lead me to believe that I am not wrong on this one (particularly in Northern Ukraine). The west really needs to get some emotionally grown up people to start making policy because this road that they are leading the world society down is a dead end.
I would like to hear other peoples opinions and thoughts concerning this.
Maybe, but wanting to be more ready doesn’t mean that you want more war or to expand a war.
“Ramzan Kadyrov and the Chechen’s have already said that they are ready to go full tilt into Poland.”
They will be sad when the SMO ends. After winning against Poland, they would say they want any country farther West but let it continue. They are warriors.
Ludwig von Mises (economist) had the theory that man stopped warring when he understood that peace and trade are more profitable. If so, do we want to restrict all trade, sanction until there is “pain” (this word must have broken the record), and surround with a military alliance the country that has those soldiers who roar and parade march every year, and who with their hypersonic and other advanced weapons have demonstrated that no other country matches them in military talents and vocation? Israel would not dare to offer their “Iron Dome” system for Russia to buy like it offers it to the United States to buy (it lost a bid recently). It’s known that there are some nations that are better at war than others. There are armies that don’t know how to march, that if you tell them to march, they march like a high school band! I already posted a youtube video of one of those few armies that don’t know how to march. There’s one that doesn’t know but at least doesn’t organize marches.
re: They now know how the west fights
Of course, they’ve had decades to observe the U.S. military directly in Vietnam, the middle east and Afghanistan. I think they fully understand our tactics and capabilities, which lately have been more in the area of drone warfare against peasants. “Shock and awe” only works against third world countries that have no effective air force, navy, or electronic counter measures. The U.S. military is largely a force that is built as a handout to giant military contractors, that is, it’s corporate welfare that is mostly for show, with a boatload of useless weaponry. Those giant aircraft carriers and missile cruisers are sitting ducks for hypersonic missiles. Our equipment is technologically advanced, but also requires a huge support network of parts and service. Just take out key logistics points, weapons depots and parts suppliers and it’s in big trouble. NATO doesn’t have the ground forces to counter a massive Russian onslaught, nor does it have truly effective troops – but they are PC as hell. I’m sure all those rainbow flag soldiers strike terror in the hearts of Russian commanders. Short of reinstituting a general draft we don’t have the manpower to even try to defeat Russia should it push beyond Ukraine; nor is there any appetite for this either in the general population or the military, which knows better than to go toe-to-toe with Russia. We can see how years of U.S./NATO training and billions of $ of equipment for Afghanistan and now Ukraine has worked out. Unless TPTB are willing to go nuclear aka commit suicide, Russia can do whatever it feels it needs to do to secure itself.
With that said, Russia could effectively cripple Europe tomorrow by shutting of the oil and gas. Sanction the sanctioners. I think they would do that before engaging militarily. Europe would be an instant economic basket case – not to mention the huge additional strain this would put on the U.S., which is already reeling from our stupid attempt to crush Russia via sanctions.
China is truly a peaceful country, eh? A warlike country would be attacking Taiwan now. They may do it someday because Xi said in a major speech that the Taiwan issue is a matter of life or death for China (not a quote but exactly what he said). It shook me up to read it – “a matter or life or death.” I thought that surely the govt. must read this and change its Taiwan policy immediately. It’s not “life or death” for the United States.
Thank you for pointing out that by rotating commanders and troops it not only helps morale but results in a large reserve of battle trained troops who are still relatively fresh.
I talked about this a week ago on a different forum. Getting in a war is eay, getting out is difficult. The only wy to end the conflict is by 1 side winning. Conquer all of Ukraine, or have them surender. Russia has to install a new government and write a new constitution that declares Ukraine (what’s left of it) neutral, disarm, will never get NATO weapons, accept independence of some regions.
The reason why there can’t be a different solution is because of NATO weapon deliveries. Ukraine and the West will not recognize the regions independce. If they negotiate truce Urkaine will train a new army and recieve massive amounts of NATO weapons. Then Russia needs to keep occupying the independent regions just waiting till Ukraine attacks. You would be in a permanent conflict.
Even in the occation that Ukraine and the West agrees to end the conflict, accept independent regions, Ukraine still can join NATO and have NATO weapons.
Ukraine needs to surrender, no other option. That’s why my strategy from the start would been killing as much Ukrainian soldiers. With (suicide) drones flying over Urkaine 24/7 attacking all, this would demoralize them. Without war expereince it looks slow. So much artillery and airstrikes but thy don’t die easy. Trenches are effective. They bombed barracks but if feels they hold back, why not more rockets to wipe it out complete? Conquering to regions goes slow, and they do loose a lot of people and hardware. They still didn’t managed to encircle Severodonetsk. Even after all the artillery they can’t defeat them fast. So I would search other ways.
I cannot emphasize enough…… the effect upon the Russian people…. of their POWs being shot in the legs…. in the groin…. in the jaw…. while hand cuffed after surrendering…. of being tied to tank traps…. then burned alive…
Those images galvanized the Russian people…. reminded them of what went before… at the hands of the NAZIs 80 years ago….
They vowed then, and now, NEVER AGAIN…
Gonzalo’s remarks remind me of a Canadian joke about getting into bed with the US elephant. The elephant decides when things are over. I think it was the previous Trudeau, not our current neo-liberal chihuahua (his son), who came up with this.
In any case, the SMO will be over when the elephant says it’s over. Better relax and enjoy it! bwa ha ha ha.
“have it all”
Lira seems to refer with “have it all” to winning militarily against Ukraine 100%, not to Russia taking 100% of Ukraine to make it part of Russia, which remains a possibility. The second time Putin said Ukraine could lose its statehood was after the SMO began but quite a while ago. He indicated that the longer the war continued the higher became the chances of Ukraine losing its statehood. What he actually said was that if Ukraine continued to act in the way it was acting, it could lose its statehood. Looks like there are two outcomes he (Putin) likes, one is a convenient negotiated settlement and the other is taking all of Ukraine. It’s evident that the longer the war lasts the bigger are the chances Ukraine loses its statehood.
I think Lira underestimates Putin’s power, which indeed seems to be as total as it looks.
A negotiated settlement does not mean losing in the settlement whatever their “plan” was. It is very possible, more than 50-50, that Putin is open to a negotiated settlement. Sounds like he could be interested in a “negotiation” whose outcome is for example something like this: Russia keeps the Donbass and Crimea (maybe more), NATO goes back to its 1997 positions, and Finland and Sweden do not join NATO. I think Russia sounds interested in a negotiated settlement based on the three points below:
1) I think the hardest thing the Ukrainians heard from the Russians in the negotiation meetings they had was that they had to give up Crimea and the Donbass. They rejected this indignantly. Mind you, it implies that the Russians told them that is all they wanted. 2) Putin asked the Ukrainian army to stage a coup early on in the SMO, because he preferred to negotiate with them, he said, which also means winning only Crimea and the Donbass. 3) Russia said more than once that if only Ukraine would accept the Russian terms offered, the war would end immediately.
“””Russia said more than once that if only Ukraine would accept the Russian terms offered, the war would end immediately.”””
Yes. Russia has said so. And Putin himself. But don’t you think it has taken longer and that that deal maybe time barred? Kherson and Zaporozhye regions have already stated they will not be part of Ukraine. Will Russia not accept them? Or assist them in their ‘independence’ as it has done to Lugansk and Donetsk?
Then the issue that Zelensky is not really in control. Americans are. And all along Americans/Europeans have been totally ‘agreement incapable.’
“But don’t you think it has taken longer and that that deal maybe time barred? Kherson and Zaporozhye regions have already stated…”
Thanks for the questions but I have nothing to add. I wrote “(maybe more)” because of what you say there.
“Then the issue that Zelensky is not really in control. Americans are. And all along Americans/Europeans have been totally ‘agreement incapable.’”
Maybe it will be decided because of that. I wrote: “Looks like there are two outcomes he (Putin) likes, one is a convenient negotiated settlement and the other is taking all of Ukraine. It’s evident that the longer the war lasts the bigger are the chances Ukraine loses its statehood.”
“NATO goes back to its 1997 positions”
This is already a non-negotiable part of the non-ultimatum presented by Russia at the end of ’21.
Okay, but when NATO says “yes”, then there’s no more reason for conflict. That can happen through a negotiated settlement. Lira’s thesis is wrong. Putin said how the plan goes when he was standing next to the German Chancellor in Moscow. The question was what would be done. Putin said the “plan” would be followed. Then the question was how so (basically). Putin said that it depended on the reactions of the other side. It is clear from its own declarations that the Russian side prefers to end it right now.
No, you Will have to get back to the borders as stipulated in 1997. Ukraine is only a part of this. The game that USA played on joke negotiations, that they always understood is the same game that Russia is playing with you.
There is a small time element involved here where you might have a chance to save your countries. The Russians look after all the people that want to run to Russia, with food ,shelter and medical care. A time consuming process, but most righteous.
In a very short time, you will be told by Russia to do exactly what Putin told you or face complete destruction. Not one of you have any idea of Russian weapons or indeed China.
They don’t need nothing from the west and that is a fact, when push comes to shove.
Heard of him from the Coach Redpill days. Its great he’s keeping up the Redpilling from man-woman relationships to breaking the western propaganda over Ukraine.
But but but dont give me that Russia or anybody else are so so big surprised that Nato/West/US lied and cheated on MInsk and about all other International contracts and treaties.
US, UK, France have been cheating and lied since Sitting Bull on ALL treaties and contracts. DONT tell me its a so such a big big surprise surprise. Ask Chechoslovakia, ask Yugoslavia, ask Africa, ask Vietnam, ask Latin-America, ask China.
As Georg Carlin said “F… hope”. People hope too much. “THIS time US and UK/France will keep an Agreement, the Minsk Agreement, we hoped”.
The West is the imperium of lies.
I live in Germany and it’s really bad here. People believe everything the media whores write. I call this the zombification of the population, and it works.
Gonzalo you are an embarrassment to geopolitics………this hunky-dory and condescending language discredits whatever the hell it is your attempting.
Moving from the SMO to kinetic WW III is openly discussed on Russian TV:
Given how frequently the other side has shown bad faith, any kind of deal or cease fire now would require giving some of sweetener up front to Russia so that they would know they weren’t being jerked around. (earnest money if it were between private parties).
Just going by body language and attitude, I don’t think Putin wanted this fight, and would have settled for the Donbass as an autonomous region along with no NATO in the Ukraine. Now that they have had to hazard the invasion, surely it would require more to settle things. I would speculate ‘liberation’ for the Donbass, recognition of the Crimea as Russian territory, and I doubt they would surrender land access to the Crimea. Not likely the other side would offer that much, and perhaps Russia would require the rest of what they have been demanding. Thus Lira’s assertion is safe. The war goes on.
Hope so indeed. And I trust that they will too. Putin will be a very happy Russian to reunite the Russia that was broken and destroyed by the Bolsheviks. One day Russia will see the dream come true.
The real out is to vilify Zelensky, as if they just found out he was a liar and a fraud, that his whole command center was a bunch of comedians!
OH, so some in the west realize they didn’t “think this through”? OH? They wanted to DESTROY RUSSIA.
What Russia should say, perhaps at the UN, addressed to all EU countries that tried to destroy Mother Russia, like Germany and France and the UK, perhaps some others, Russia would know and should name them. (after the contracts they have run out, they should say this),
‘This will be the third time in history that you bastards tried to destroy Mother Russia and the Russian people. We reached out our hand in friendship after the cold war, only to have the hand of friendship slapped away. You treated us like shit. YOU are our enemies. *WE are not Europeans, we are Eurasians and have been since the Mongol Empire. That is why you hate us. We are NOT LIKE you.* YOU are the enemy. The contracts we had with you are fulfilled and they will never be renewed. You will not enter our country. You will not try to make any deals with us, not for anything. We will not sell you anything or buy anything from you. Don’t even try to speak to us. You are DEAD to us. WE ARE DONE.”