By Noel Monteiro — first published on the Saker Blog
Telluria vs Thalassa Part 1
In one of his poems, Robert Frost says “good fences make good neighbours.” Yet in the 73 years of its existence, India has had border problems with all its neighbouring Asian states, while it allies are distant overseas states. Then on June 15 a unique battle occurred, medieval in practice, in Galwan Valley, Kashmir. The outcome of the battle was a direct result of India’s border policies with its neighbours. This writeup will only try to address two aspects. (ONE) Some of India’s border aspects as an indicator of (TWO) the type of political state entity within Asia, India may genuinely be.
IRON RODS IN DISPUTED AREAS: A number of questions arise here. Article 1 of the 1993 agreement between India and China states the following, among others: Neither side shall use or threaten to use force against the other by any means. Reading this legal 1993 document, use of iron rods cannot be anything but “use force against the other”, and so the question here is, was this use of force signaling a consistent three-year state-of-war on China’s Belt & Road Initiative infrastructure? Was this decision the result of war-gaming studies by the Indian army? Was this a type of Rules of Engagement imposed by India?
India is a modern responsible state in the world. Therefore, from its army’s war-gaming studies, was it India’s deliberate intention, for three years, to make null-and-void all border agreements, multiple times, by multiple Indian troops, on multiple occasions, at multiple points in the disputed areas? The Law’s ambit can be perceived both as the “Spirit of the Law”, and also the “Letter of the law.” Yet it seems strange, that no one in the Indian leadership understood that breaking the Spirit of any signed Agreement, signals non-peace, if not outright war, irrespective where a claimed border may be.
To be sure, I have a sneaky suspicion that irons were used continuously and blatantly, in the hope, that some exasperated and hotheaded Chinese border guard would open fire on Indian soldiers. Then Indian propaganda would immediately swing into outraged action, screaming how Chinese troops had fired upon innocent unarmed Indian troops without any provocation, thus delivering to India a propaganda coup. But China’s troops held an iron discipline and never took the bait, and yet feelings of intense revenge grew in their hearts, which they acted upon on June 15, within India’s Rules of Engagement.
Reading the news reports of the use of irons, it was possible to discern an unmistakable sub-text directed at an Indian audience, which reads something like this. “Look how clever the Indian troops are. They are not breaking any law. They are simply bending the rules to enforce India’s own national interest.”
It is remarkable that not a single Indian or Western writer has written to question the reason, why Indian troops did this in Disputed Areas for so long. Especially since in the very same Disputed Areas in October 1962, India lost 4,800 men killed, and 4,000 taken prisoners of war. One Indian POW, the uncle of a close friend, named Pascoal Rodrigues from Mangalore, Karnataka, was released in 1992, because India and China were in a state of war for 30 years.
To understand India’s actions, look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vBgycTUX20 filmed by Indian troops from the Bhutan-China border at Doklam in July 2017. The camera placement is exactly on the Bhutan-China border, looking down into Chinese territory, where 150 meters Forward, Chinese construction workers, inside China and building a road to the Bhutan border, are being beaten up. The Indian military were on Forward Policy deployment. Indian journalist Pravin Sawhney was quite precise this fighting occurred 150 metres inside China. Bhutan and India have no written defence agreement.
INDIA’S FORWARD POLICY: A layman’s way to describe this policy is, if your next door neighbour, consistently and willfully walked in front of your house, and far FORWARD of his own home, and you bump with one-another, when going into and out of your own house.
During India’s disastrous 1962 war against China, India started the fighting on October 10, with its Operation Leghorn. Ten days later on October 20 China responded overwhelmingly, and rapidly overran at least 43 Forward Posts on its territory, advanced about 60 kms to its own claim line, stopped, and returned back, possibly to negotiate and establish clear borders. Two senior Indian army officers, Lt Gen. Henderson Brooks and Brig. Preminder Bhagat, who were commissioned to write why the defeat occurred, wrote about how the Forward Policy, among other factors, contributed to the defeat. The 190-page Brooks-Bhagat Report was never published by India, though Indian army officers leaked a copy to Australian journalist Neville Maxwell, who used the report as the foundation, to write a book, called India’s China War (1970). Maxwell devotes about 86 enlightening pages to India’s Forward Policy.
The book is a treasure trove of historical information about British colonial border policy, a practice which post-1947 India continued for 73 years, as the new Hindu-dominated colonial overlord, upon all its neighbours.
The Brooks-Bhagat Report and Neville Maxwell’s 1970 book are two of the the main source texts for Wikipedia entries about India’s Forward Policy. Wikipedia explains the start of the Forward Policy in a very cryptic, and incomplete manner thus:
British author Neville Maxwell traces this confidence to Mullik (sic), who was in regular contact with the CIA station chief in New Delhi..
Deciphering this passage, by using original texts, we understand that then Director of India’s Police Intelligence Bureau, Mr B.M. Malik, to give his correct name and designation, was the liaison between the Indian government and the CIA station chief in 1961, probably in New Delhi, from where the Forward Policy was thought up. This Forward Policy gave India the confidence to face China’s demands on their common border. B.N.Malik was a civilian, trusted by Prime Minister Jawararlal Nehru, because Malik also kept an eye out for coup attempts against Nehru. In 1962, this policeman also suggested on Indian army maps, to India’s generals, where troops should be placed. Malik was that powerful.
The wrong way to read Wikipedia, is to read it as a propaganda outlet. The correct way to read Wikipedia is, as a one-sided strategic information warfare outlet of the west and India, from which information gems can be gleaned. We have a second insight into how Indian troops were instructed under the Forward Policy and again I quote:
The Indian government maintained that the intention of the McMahon Line was to set the border along the highest ridges, and that the international border fell on the highest ridges of Thag La, about 3 to 4 miles (4.8 to 6.4 km) north of the line drawn by Henry McMahon on the treaty map.
Again using source texts, we understand, that the colonial British-era Henry McMahon Line border, which ran down in the valley, was deliberately interpreted by India as the starting point to claim the highest ridge (ThagLa Ridge) “3 to 4 miles” inside Chinese territory, as India’s real border. Indian troops were then issued maps to occupy that height, despite there being a perfectly good height feature overlooking the McMahon Line from inside India. About 2,886 Indian soldiers were killed in 1962, in the ThagLa Ridge-BomdiLa sector alone.
A Forward Policy is not a confidence building measure. A Forward Policy has tactical aspects, as a tripwire function, or with the intention to intimidate neighbouring states or opponents, and occupy their geographic areas, or seize their assets, if the opportunity arises. Some examples in history are:
—English privateer sloops, heavily gunned, holding up and looting Spanish galleons returning to Spain from the Americas.
—The Wild Weasel project that USA ran in Vietnam was a forward policy.
—Israel claiming the right to attack Iranian positions in Syria is a forward policy.
—US navy vessels claiming right of passage in the South China Sea is a forward policy.
Thus it is safe to say, that consistent practice of a Forward Policy, leads to consistent border instability, a breakup of border agreements and thus warfare.
CLAIM LINES & BORDER ISSUES:
During the 1947 partition, one simple formula was agreed upon by all parties thus. All Hindu majority provinces would go to India, and similarly Muslim majority areas to Pakistan. Kashmir is a Muslim majority territory. India occupied it claiming that the Hindu ruler had made a deal with India. At the same time, down south, on India’s Gujarat coast, the Muslim ruler of the princely states of Junagadh and Manavadar, wrote to join Pakistan, even though 80 percent of his subjects were Hindus. India sent in troops to take over the states, because of the Hindu majority. A clear case of “One Rule For Thee and Another Rule for Me.” Pakistan took the case to the United Nations, which decided that India must hold a vote, so that Kashmiris may choose either Pakistan or India. India never held the plebiscite, because it would loose the vote. The four clear parties to this Kashmir dispute, are Pakistan, India, China and the people of Kashmir.
India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as the former East Pakistan, have borders demarcated by the British in 1947. Indian border guards, claiming they are on Indian territory, have shot dead poor Bangladeshi farmers. What can poor Bangladesh do? Indian troops regularly enter Bhutan, Sikkim, and Nepal, claiming to “protect” these small states from China, but in reality to interdict China from the territory of these states, in a variation of the Forward Policy. Earlier this year, India issued new maps showing Nepalese territory as Indian areas, without consulting Nepal. Then, Indian border guards entering to occupy areas shown on their maps as Indian, have been shot dead by Hindu Nepalese border guards. India also economically blockades Nepal at will. Pakistan’s border with India in Kashmir is always hot, with artillery duels, sniper firing and regular death tolls.
India’s situation with China has its own characteristics. During the full span of the British raj, at different times, about 11 Claim Lines were announced, in north India, named after colonial officers, or geographers, who worked on them. e.g.The Johnson Line and the McMahon Line are two them. They are simply Claim Lines, not real borders, and appeared as lines on a map for administrative and negotiation purposes. In 1947, India issued a new Claim Line in places about 175 kms further into Tibet, than any previous British colonial administration had ever done before. This led Chairman Mao-Tse-Tung, to conclude that Hindu-majority India intended to seize all of Tibet. Since China does not agree to India’s claims, both states never finalised their borders for 71 years.
Many minor agreements were signed by India and China, e.g. for ending the 1962 war, for peace on the border 1993, but never comprehensive border agreements, like those between EU states where people can move freely through. The last iteration of inconclusive border talks are the grandly named “22nd Meeting Of The Special Representatives For Settlement of the India-China Boundary Question”, which was held on Dec 21, 2019, in New Delhi. Why 22 inconclusive meetings since 2005? Because India till 2020, has a weighty problem about whether the Peoples’s Republic of China has “sovereignty” or “suzerainty” over Tibet. Since 1949, China has concluded clear border agreements with 14 neighbouring states, but could get nowhere with India.
THALASSIC & TELLURIC STATES: To summarise, there is obviously a problem on the borders of all countries neighbouring India. Therefore, I use a simple set of ideas, or a theoretical lens, similar to a thinking tool, to better understand this situation. The Saker’s Anglo-Zionist empire framework, and writings about Ukraine vis-a-vis Russia was a useful starting point. There are however problems when it comes to India, because India is neither Anglo nor Zionist, and so other theoretical devices must be tried. Then I obtained an idea of the Telluric-Thalassic framework, from an article I read a long time ago, by a Russian writer. But for the life of me, I was unable to again relocate the article, or the name of the writer. The words Telluria and Thalassa, simply mean “land” and “sea” respectively.
The Telluric states idea corresponds roughly to British Geographer Halford Mackinder’s framework of the World Island states. i.e. All Asian landmass states. These states may include Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan among many, others, that have combined politically and militarily for common defence and treaty purposes. In official Chinese parlance, as propounded in Chinese media, Pakistan is officially China’s Iron Brother. India, despite being geographically in Asia, cannot be included in Telluria, because it has defence treaties with Thalassic states USA, Japan and Australia, and is not economically linked with either Central Asia, East Asia or South Asia, is not a member of China’s Belt and Road Initiative, or the Central Asia Regional Economic Cooperation Program, or even the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, and in July 2020 Iran tossed out India from its Chabahar Port, Rail, and Gas Exploration Project. Its purchases of Russian weapons are predicated simply on the weak strength of the Indian currency.
The Thalassic states framework corresponds to Mackinder’s Rimland and Island states, which are geographically far away, and may be militarily, in opposition to, the Asian landmass. These states control the sea routes, with ships, nuclear weapons, and alliances, capable of laying waste to large areas of Asia. Among these Thalassic states are USA, and its First-Line allies UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Israel and the EU states. India is a loyal “also-ran” ally of Thalassa. Thus Thalassic India can be perceived, existing as a geographical Forward Policy practitioner, against Telluric states.
This framework can be set aside if impractical, and another theoretical tool is used instead, if the analytical situation warrants. It is not an idee fixe. But if the Telluric-Thalassic idea is valid, then a broad rethink, and rewrite may become necessary, about all the wars between Pakistan, India and China. Whether these wars were actually between a Telluric Pakistan and China, pitted against a Thalassic India.
CHINA’S KASHMIR BORDER POLICY WITH INDIA: China’s border policy with India over Kashmir is a very simple statement of 11 words, conveyed many times by Chinese leaders to India since 2010. It reads thus: China does not share a common border with India in Kashmir. Indian journalist Pravin Sawhney explains this policy very well. After listening to Sawhney, you will ask yourself whether south Asia’s lack of development in the last 71 years is the deliberate actions of a Thalassic India. For 71 years India had the opportunity to unite all south Asia in a common economic bloc, but neither recognised that leadership mantle, nor that responsibility. With China’s rise, India lost that opportunity for good. With China’s rise, India is now in the unenviable geographic position of a juicy sugarcane stalk, between hard Telluric and Thalassic rollers. India is strong today, only because it is connected economically, to the strong Thalassic states. As the economic strength of Thalassa wanes, so too does India’s power. We must watch, the many ways India’s western elites continue to hold this Thalassic position, even as they fool themselves that they are running with the Telluric hares, and hunting with the Thalassic hounds? —License CC, Translations Permitted.
1.—-Frost, Robert 1874-1963, Poem “Mending Wall”. https://poets.org/poem/mending wall
4.—-Events leading to the Sino-Indian War
5.—-Maxwell, Neville, 1970 Jaico Books, Chapter 3 Forward Policy Pages 171-259. See this site to Download an e-book edition.
6.—-Brooks, Lt.Gen. T.B.Henderson, Bhagat, Brig.P, 1993, Report on India’s defeat by China in Oct-Nov 1962 War. (Leaked Version)
7.—-Force Magazine YouTube Channel Editor Pravin Sawhney
9.—-AngloZionist Short Primer
10. —-Terehov, V, (16-01-2020) Update on Issues Stemming from Border Disputes between India and PRC…https://journal-neo.org/2020/01/16/update-on-issues-stemming-from-border-disputes-between-india-and-prc/
Telluria vs Thalassa Part 2
16th Bihar was lured, trapped & annihilated
On August 5, 2019, the Indian parliament voted to brush aside the UN-protected status of Kashmir, as well as announce that all of disputed Kashmir was now Indian territory, and would be seized forcefully. Kashmir is also claimed by Pakistan and China. This parliamentary decision had the effect of alarms bells in Asian capitals, signaling, “To Arms, To Arms”.
Hasty military infrastructure construction began along India’s northern border, including two all weather roads aimed towards the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) network in Tibet. Two military bases began to be constructed close to Karakoram Pass, and Lipulekh Pass, where the two roads end. The first road in Ladakh, the Darbuk-Daulat Baig Oldi road, along the west bank of the Shyok River, to the Karakoram Pass. The second road through Nepalese territory to Lipulekh Pass. Nepalese protests to India were ignored, or brushed aside, and construction continued. China understood very well, that under previously signed agreements between India and USA, India simply hands over control of those border bases to US troops, who may then at will, interdict the BRI in Tibet.
Pakistan media reported that a Ladakh domicile status has been given to 25,000 Hindutva political cadres, so that they may settle down along the Kashmir border with China. The purpose, to create Hindu settler facts-on-the-ground, in a majority Buddhist area of Ladakh, claimed by China. More Hindu cadres will join as time passes, if only for a career leg up in a failing Indian economy. A Domicile Certificate is a government authority stating that the holder is a bonafide Ladakh or Kashmir-born person. It is used in preferential government job quotas, recruitment quotas in bureaucracy, armed services, and preferential land and property, resettlement allocations. These 25,000, may then form ISIS-like kernels, to stage possible Satyagraha armed volunteer incursions into Tibet, supported by media coverage operations. Maxwell (1970) explains Satyagraha as the passive Indian civil disobedience movement against the British before 1947. Satyagraha were successfully used by India to take over Goa.
Two years before August 5, 2019, India had begun to create an offensive 85,000-man strike formation for its northern border with China. The words Telluria and Thalassa, simply mean “land” and “sea” respectively. Telluria corresponds to the states which occupy the Asian world island continent. Thalassa corresponds to the outlying island and rimland states, with large navies and economies that control the seas, and position themselves in opposition to Telluric states. See Part 1 for a broader explanation.
Early in 2020 new Indian-issue maps showed Nepali areas bordering China, as being in India. Telluria took notice, that after the fronts in Syria, Ukraine, Hong Kong in September 2020, and the South China Sea, Thalassic states were preparing a new war front against China’s province of Tibet. It is within this context, that Indian border troops were interdicting the BRI, by beating up Chinese construction workers.
Since India has shed UN protections, China responded in the first week of May 2020, by bringing up 200,000 troops to occupy the same disputed border areas, that India had refused to jointly demarcate, further making null and void, every single measly border agreement. Pakistan also brought up troops. This is the military and political background to the Galwan Valley entrapment. This report was compiled after going through about 250 items of information over six weeks, from Indian and Pakistani sources, including websites, news items and videos, too numerous to list in the references.
GALWAN’S SIGNIFICANCE: If Indian troops were to drive East through the Galwan valley, they could emerge directly onto the west Tibetan plateau at Aksai Chin, where a BRI road connects Lhasa with Sinkiang. On the other hand, if China occupies the heights at the mouth of the Galwan River, it can interdict the all-weather road on the west bank of the Shyok River, impacting the route north for Indian troops to Siachin Glacier and Karakoram Pass, and also enable a Telluric military advance west to Kargil, Jammu and Kashmir. The Galwan valley terrain itself is narrow, with the fast flowing Galwan River, fed in summer by melting snows from 60 degree slopes rising 2,000 to 3,000 feet. See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHyBRnArGE. Sun Tzu writes:
——-With regard to narrow passes, if you can occupy them first,
let them be strongly garrisoned, and await the advent of the enemy.
#8 Chpt 10 Narrow Passes, Terrain, Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
FIRST CONTACT: India made repeated requests, for Chinese troops to go back, and help defuse the situation. A border flag meeting was agreed upon by the respective army generals for June 6, 2020. Among one of the ultimatums that the Chinese general ostensibly made to his Indian counterpart, was that the Indian parliament should immediately reinstate Kashmir’s status as a UN-protected territory, otherwise China would occupy the entire Galwan Valley. The Indian general’s demands are not known, though a vacuous press release was issued. Since the Chinese troop movements in May, this is the first time, our attention is drawn to Galwan Valley. We are not aware what other lures were used to bait India’s attention to Galwan Valley. Sun Tzu says
——Hold out baits to entice the enemy.
Feign disorder and crush him.
#20, Chpt 1, Laying Plans. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
CONTACT: On June 14, 2020, Chinese lookouts, one km away on the East bank of the Shyok River were rewarded with the sight of Indian troops mustering on the West bank, setting up camp along the Darbuk-Daulat Baig Oldi road. Pravin Sawhney used the word “Theek Thak” battalion to describe its strength. A Hindi word meaning a “good-ly” or “strong” battalion. A normal Indian infantry battalion has about 500 to 800 men. Pravin Sawhney, a former Indian army officer, has the greatest integrity of any Indian journalist I have seen. Chinese lookouts and helicopters carefully and repeatedly counted the Indian numbers, and photographed the movements, to note their weapons.
On June 15, at 5.00pm evening, the 16th Battalion, Bihar Regiment, began their foray by crossing the Shyok to the Eastern bank, at or near the mouth of the Galwan River. As they crossed, the Chinese lookouts noted and reported no firearms, says Sawhney. The short iron bars may have been up their sleeves, as expected. Predictably, India’s leadership had swallowed China’s bait, and ordered 16th Bihar to police the Galwan that night. Nightfall comes early in narrow mountain valleys. The temperature is freezing in June, with snow melt, and overflowing fast flowing streams and the rivers. Indian graphics show the battalion walked probably two kilometres into the valley. It was now approximately 7.00 to 9.00pm and dark, with only the snow on the top reflecting the starlight.
Well into the valley, they came across, what looked like, a few unarmed Chinese “construction workers”. Here the information gets positively surreal, a la Bollywoodesque. In the dark, the colonel-in-charge, with his Theek-Thak battalion around him, is said to have explained to the lowly Chinese construction workers, that “he was personally sent by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to discuss the possibility of helicoptering a news film crew, either to Galwan Valley or the nearby Pangong Lake where Bollywood films are made, to show that All Is Well between China and India.”
At this point, many things happen all at once, the narrative is not complete, not precise. The Indian colonel and two men moved to attack the construction workers to beat them up, and are dispatched efficiently; these Chinese “construction workers” were actually special forces; an Indian radio message was sent that they were dead; simultaneously, sudden massive cold water flows, distracting and scattering Indian soldiers to the river banks; Chinese soldiers appear out of the dark; swinging sticks; Indians are unable to see the 6 inch nails on the sticks; Indians get close for hand-to hand combat with short iron rods; they are felled by the nails; Indians trying to escape the way they came from, are blocked, and felled. I am using my non-fiction skills in this para.
The estimated 400 to 600 Indian group had wrongly assumed they would beat, or maim, some construction workers in the dark, and return to camp mess the same night for dinner. For three years India had imposed a Rule of Engagement by iron rods, and no firearms in the disputed areas. Now China’s army kept to the same Rule of Engagement, with hand weapons of their own.
One Pakistani report said there were 300 Chinese soldiers engaged, but could have been more. A later report said the 300, were a small contingent from a 200,000-man special force, newly raised and trained in the use of medieval weaponry. Whatever the sequence of events, we may be certain that from both sides, about 700 to 900 healthy, able-bodied fighting men, were engaged for five hours that night, without a shot being fired. By 1.00am on June 16, it was all over. Thalassic India’s 16th Battalion, Bihar Regiment walked into a night-time trap and was annihilated. Annihilated simply means that a cohesive military force can no longer be fielded for war-fighting purposes, because its men were either killed, injured, missing, captured, run away, or incapacitated in battle. The Galwan Valley was fought over, now without UN protections to India, and fell into China’s hands. By any yardstick either imaginable or in the modern military archives, this was a truly unique and astounding battle, where melee and water weapons, were used to grind down an Indian group to nothing. Never hear of such an event before! Sun Tzu writes:
——Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that
there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards.
#16 Chpt 2, Waging War, Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
In the days after, images of coffins, draped in the Indian flag, in south Indian churches began appearing only once on social media, and were immediately taken down, as fast as they were put up. Many of the dead were Christian soldiers from south India. Then two weeks later, YouTube showed mass funerals of Hindu soldiers.
WHAT WE DON’T KNOW: Military secrecy by both countries means we cannot know exact numbers, casualties, how water as a weapon was used, and how the battalion crossed the Shyok. Battles are recorded by winners, not the loosing side, and so, because their men did not return, we cannot expect the Indian side to know most details either. Weeks later, an Indian politician asked parliament whether 250 soldiers were killed, and an inconclusive response was given. The official Indian media line is “20 killed in a skirmish”. The truth may be something else.
The Chinese side will not release details, because Thalassa’s war on Tibet has yet to begin. Galwan was only the first of many hammer blows delivered to a Thalassic India.
Did satellites record the battle in infrared? Days later some daylight photos of the Galwan Valley appeared on an Australian website. It is possible some party, or country recorded the night battle. Nothing has been released as yet.
The puzzling aspect in all this was China’s 200,000-man special medieval weapons force. Are they real? Were they raised to combat India’s Hindutva and Satyagraha infantry formations, similar to military irregulars, like ISIS troops?
A. Predictability: The predictability of Indian troop behaviour and movements in time, indicates the Indians had done this nightly beatings times before, and the Chinese army, learned and planned accordingly. This was not a random night patrol.
B. The 5.00pm start timing, indicates the Indian leadership, from Prime Minister Narendra Modi downwards, approved the night-time raids, or had knowledge of the night time actions on China’s BRI construction workers.
C. The baiting, entrapment and annihilation of a marauding Indian military group, had to have been war-gamed by the Chinese army, to find the optimum tactical location, conditions, military objective, and the desired strategic effect on the Indian leadership and polity, among others.
D. Words like “skirmish”, “face-off”, “20 killed”, are verbal disguises, presented to hide the true intentions of India, which cannot admit the raw truth. That a Thalassic India was the silent, stealthy border aggressor for some time.
E. Some Messages To India: We too have not used firearms. If you put your troops in our path, we are cunning enough to annihilate you, irrespective of what tricks you may want to play. We know what you are up to. We know you. Galwan Valley is back with us, try and take it from us.
F. Message To Thalassa: By this small victory, China threw down the gauntlet of war, in front of Thalassa’s stealthy preparations along India’s border, and the message was received loud and clear by both the Telluric and Thalassic states. “We are Ready for War” is China’s message. This very same message passed clear over the heads of all Indians.
G. It took six days for India to make a thunderous and sanctimonious media announcement, almost an admonishment, that in future all its soldiers must carry their individual weapons or firearms. But what else do modern soldiers normally carry?
H. It took 30 days, before Indian media announced the fact, that the Galwan “skirmish” (India’s terminology) was well planned by China long before June 15. It took India 30 days to realise this fact.
I. The defeat had the effect of psychologically stupefying into inaction, both the Indian elites as well as the Indian body politic, with its defence minister madly scrabbling in panic in international capitals for tactical weapons. This stupefaction, an intended and successful military objective, has bought Telluria a vital gap of time-space, so as to force India, into not bothering China, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Iran, as they go about their preparations for the Telluric-Thalassic “skirmishes” ahead.
J. This battle was fought only after India unprotected itself, by unilaterally removing vital UN cover protections over Kashmir.
K. One could even make a case, that the intended effect of the “skirmish” was to remind India, of its 1962 defeat by China, which brought 58 years of peace on the China-India border, and thus to mentally re-condition India, exactly like Pavlov’s dog, not to meddle with China, for the next 58 years. —License CC, Translations Permitted.
—-Sun Szu, The Art of War, 2014, Lionel Giles 1910 Translation. Word Cloud Classics, San Diego.
—-Maxwell, Neville, 1970 Jaico Books, Chapter 3 Forward Policy Pages 171-259. See this site to Download an e-book edition.
—-Brooks, Lt.Gen. T.B.Henderson, Bhagat, Brig.P, 1993, Report on India’s defeat by China in Oct-Nov 1962 War. (Leaked Version)
—-Force Magazine YouTube Channel Editor Pravin Sawhney
Telluria vs Thalassa Part 3
What may a war between India, Pakistan & China look like
The first question that must be asked is “Will a war occur or not?” This must be asked because a lot of people in the world, assume that an India-China war will not occur for good reason.
India is an Asian neighbour, with strong trade links with China, and neither China nor Pakistan see profit in invading India.
The words Telluria and Thalassa, simply mean “land” and “sea” respectively. Telluria corresponds to the states which occupy the Asian world island continent. Thalassa corresponds to the outlying island and rimland states, with large navies and economies that control the seas, and position themselves in opposition to Telluric states. See Part 1 for a broader explanation.
Exports from Telluric China to Thalassic India, are less than 2 percent (1.8 percent actually) of total China’s exports over all, while Indian imports from China amount to 60 percent of its total country imports, and include mundane items like fireworks for Hindu religious festivals, mobile phones, airconditioners, and electronic consumer items like plasma TVs. Financial earnings include income earnings to the Indian population from TicToc media, and income earnings from Bollywood blockbusters. A Bollywood blockbuster can earn three times more money in the China film market, as compared to total earnings in India. Thus swathes of Bollywood do not see economic sense in a war with China.
The Telluric states do not want a war on the southern borders of Asia, and especially instability in South Asia. China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is designed as a peaceful trading network. On the other had, Thalassic states see the BRI as a clear and present danger, to their sole control of world-wide trade, flows of money, and strength of their economy. Further, Thalassic India lends itself easily as a useful south Asian battering ram against the prosperous world island, and Indian racism against the Chinese is no small element in play here. More to the point, India’s elites, see themselves as being in the vanguard in the fight against Chinese ethnic peoples. After the India’s China war in 1962, pogrom attacks were begun against ethnic Chinese refugees in India, with small family businesses, from previous Civil wars in China. India began the 1962 war with Operation Leghorn on Oct 10, 1962. These Chinese people left India for Canada and USA taking their considerable fortunes with them.
But if a war occurs, what may it look like?
The Telluric militaries of China and Pakistan are interoperative, and Iran will also play a role. But Thalassic India has an agreement to let USA forces use their bases along with a Quad arrangement with Japan and Australia, and has the sympathetic interest of UK and France. On the other hand, think of this as Telluria’s one-in-a-100-year opportunity to stick it to a destructive Thalassic Indian state, in their midst in Asia.
WAR SEASON, TERRAIN & TIMING: Owing to flooding in the monsoon season, the bulk of past India-Pakistan wars in the northern riverine plains have occurred from the end of August , after the ground hardens for vehicles and armour movement.
However, Chinese troops train in, and are equipped for fighting in mountainous and cold areas. Two examples: In India’s China war of 1962, from Oct 20, to Nov 21. During the Korean war, in minus 30 degree conditions, from October 18, 1950 to December 24 1950, Chinese volunteer troops fought UN troops.
Since the first week of May 2020, Chinese troops have entered into all forward disputed border areas, shared with, or claimed by India. In the process they have chased away all Indian forces who previously used to make hay, occupying mountain tops kilometres deep into disputed territory, to have Chinese troops under their guns, under India’s own Forward Policy. In unison, Chinese and Pakistani troops have moved into border defensive points, to get into position before the end of August. All along the Pakistan border with India, Pakistani screening forces are being deployed to forward defensive positions, in the event of India expanding the Kashmir war into Pakistan territory, just like India did in the 1965 Kashmir war. If this war begins, it may become one continuous front of 2,000 kms, along India’s border with Pakistan and China. But what about the timing?
This year in 2020, a perfect concatenation of circumstances will arise, from the November US elections, to the January 3 anniversary of the assassination of Gen. Qasem Soleimani, and buildup of Thalassic navy forces in the South China Sea. Let us hope and pray that nothing happens.
FORCE NUMBERS & DOMAINS: These are only some of the relevant forces. China has brought up 200,000 men of Tibet’s western command, and a further unconfirmed 200,000 men of a special force, some of whom were used in the Galwan entrapment.
India has 45,000 men in Kashmir, and 85,000 men from a new strike formation especially for operations in Tibet. India has an unknown number of Hindutva and Satyagraha armed volunteer cadres. India has an average sex ration of 108.176 men to 100 females, with a 2011 gender ratio of 21,813,264 more males in rural, and 13,872,275 more males in urban areas, than Indian females. These numbers could be India’s volunteer resource base. China now sees Indian troops as a clear and present danger to the BRI in Tibet and Pakistan.
India is capable of fighting in the three domains of air, land and sea warfare. China can operate in the air, land, sea, space, cyber, and electronic warfare domains, six in all. Pakistan can operate in the air, land and sea domains. In the February 2019 Balakot attack, Pakistan successfully demonstrated an electronic warfare capability by jamming electronics on Indian jet fighters, so that pilots were unable to hear instructions from Indian ground control to return to base. Pakistan shot down two Indian jet fighters, while Indian defences shot down their own helicopter, killing seven airforce personnel, assuming it was a Pakistani copter trying to land commandos behind Indian lines. Thus Pakistan demonstrated a good electronics warfare component.
NUCLEAR: Pakistan, India and China possess nuclear weapons, but also their respective allies USA, UK, Israel, and Russia.
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT: What will be Rules of Engagement? We have an interesting example from the 2019 Indian Balakot air strike. Pakistan correctly read Thalassic India’s attack as an intention to establish new rules of engagement, where India stages a false-flag attack against itself, loudly and publicly blames Pakistan, then immediately proceeds to attack Pakistan, claiming a right of hot pursuit, exactly as Israel does with Palestinians and its Arab neighbours. Thalassic India would then go on to interdict the BRI network of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Telluric Pakistan responded by first informing Thalassa, it was prepared to escalate with nuclear weapons. Then immediately countered with its own rules of engagement which were “Indian attack times five”. This is how Pakistan imposed its own counter-rules of engagement. Using television bombs, Pakistani jets carried out five attacks on Indian Kashmir’s wooded areas, right alongside one Indian divisional military headquarters, one Indian brigade headquarters, and three other subsidiary army headquarters. The television bomb footage was then shown on TV and social media. No one was killed in the Indian attack on Balakot, and also no one was killed 24 hours later, in the five Pakistani attacks on the five Indian military headquarters. Interestingly, just before the Pakistan retaliatory bombing was to take place, Pakistani intelligence, discovered that Indian Chief of Staff, General Bipin Rawat, was present in the targetted divisional headquarters. So the Pakistanis hailed the Indian HQ via radio, to inform Gen Rawat of the attack on the HQ. The general and his entourage did a runner from the Divisional HQ, and a few minutes later a single television bomb hit the wooded area beside the HQ. One Indian attack to five responses will be the rule, to deter a Thalassic India.
INFORMATION WARFARE: This spectrum forms a peculiar component of warfare. Thalassic India has a formidable internal Edward Bernaysian tactical structure, pointed inwards, directed at fragmenting its own population, as well as for consumption by the western Bernaysian news networks. While a large segment of India’s strategic information warfare component, is projected on behalf of Thalassa by Wikipedia and similar Western main stream media (MSN). Bollywood is part of this information structure. India has an ineffective English language information warfare component that may affect Pakistan or China. Pakistan has the Urdu language, while China’s is Mandarin. Profound linguistic disconnect is present. Neither Pakistan nor China employ correspondingly similar Bernaysian information structures. It’s simply not present. However, both countries are no information slouches. All true propaganda is based on some truth. On the rare occasions when both countries put out information, everyone pays attention, and the results are devastating. I’ll narrate two examples.
Example A Pakistan: India, a few months ago, claimed that Pakistan had killed a lot of India army men in an attack in Kashmir, and so Indian media began baying for a retaliation on Pakistan. For four days Pakistani media was silent. Indian media read this silence as having won an information war walkover. Then Pakistan’s director of Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), appeared on television, and gave a simple statement. He said something along the lines of: “The Indian army must be holding the funerals of their officers and soldiers, whom they claimed we killed, in the darkness of the night. Because, on Indian television, we have not seen any funerals taking place, to honour their dead.” This statement resulted in much laughter in social media, in both India and Pakistan, which squelched any further demand for war.
Example B China: When it does happen, China has a simple media image component, which has the effect of Tai Chi. During the start of the Covid19 situation, western media were happily prattling on about how the virus would only infect the Chinese people. China’s TicTok began putting out images of ordinary Chinese people keeling over prostrate in the street, roads bricked across, and communities isolated. The Thalassic information manager component were unaffected, and were in fact gleeful. The Western body politic however, in all countries, looking at these images, became deeply affected with dread about the virus, and began looking inwards, to realise the virus rampant among themselves.
KINETIC CONFLICT AREAS: Only two areas come immediately to mind. 1, Siliguri Chicken Neck and 2, Kashmir:
Siliguri Corridor: This is a goose-necked shaped piece of land, mostly alluvial plains, about 22 kms at it narrowest, and 60 kms long, between Bangladesh to the south, and Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan to the north. By interdicting this heavily defended land corridor, China can separate seven north-eastern provinces from the rest of India. These provinces are Assam, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura, and Bodoland. Arunachal Pradesh used to be part of Tibet.
Kashmir: China has a well stated policy which reads: “China does not have a common border with India in Kashmir.” It would be interesting to see how China prosecutes that policy. The bigger battle however may be against Pakistan.
Maxwell (1970) says that since 1947, India maintained two infantry divisions, and an armoured component based in Jhansi, dedicated to attack and seize the city of Lahore, in the event Pakistan reached out to take disputed Kashmir by force. This scenario occurred in the 1965 war when the single Jammu road, and Kashmir, was almost captured by Pakistan forces, when Lahore was attacked by India. Pakistan had to give up the attack on the Jammu Road, to save beautiful Lahore. But now in 2020, the Kashmiri people have been imprisoned in lockdown for one year, and something must be done about it. Thalassic India will field a greater number of military formations in front of Lahore and Bahawalpur, to divert Pakistani troops from Kashmir, by threatening the old game, to dismember Pakistan.
As of the last week of August 2020, political events across Iran, Pakistan, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, Bangladesh and China — all Telluric states — are moving with breathtaking speed. India is stuck voluntarily between the hard Tellluric and Thallasic grinders. Therefore we must be patient and wait for the rain and flood season to end, to see what develops. —License CC, Translations Permitted.
—–Sex ratio of India, March 18, 2020, Source: Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation, UN (World Population Prospects 2019)
—-Maxwell, Neville, 1970 Jaico Books, Chapter 3 Forward Policy Pages 171-259. See this site to Download an e-book edition.
—-Brooks, Lt.Gen. T.B.Henderson, Bhagat, Brig.P, 1993, Report on India’s defeat by China in Oct-Nov 1962 War. (Leaked Version)
—– Force Magazine YouTube Channel Editor Pravin Sawhney
The writer is a former Sub-Editor and Staff Reporter from Dawn newspaper, Pakistan. He lives in Australia.
There is a prevalent theme by several writers on this blog to paint India as the aggressor, especially vis a vis China and Pakistan.
Said writers fail note a genocide of 1 million Hindus in the parition of Bangladesh from Pakistan. Said writers fail to note the gift of thrle Tibetan plateau to modern China. Logistically, China has never had control of Tibet, let’s be honest about pre modern geography.
Kashmir is often stated. Kashmir was once 100 percent Hindu. As was Punjab. India is facing a civilisational and existential crises. Therein lies your lack. You lack historical perspective.
Laudable to use academic sources selectively to build a case, but I do wonder at what purpose. Perhaps to mislead non south Asians as to the situation in south Asia ?
Pakistan had quite a few Hindus left after 1947. Whatever happened to them? Pakistani ISI has been a coordinator for Muslim terror networks in south Asia. Similar to Turkey running networks in other parts of Asia. All on behalf on the US grand strategy.
The situation is hugely conplicated with bad actors on all sides. I find this article has a positiom preordained that it wishes to use academia to get to.
It is curious that you do not dispute any of the facts mentioned in the article. Your argument seems to me that ‘Hindus were beaten up in the past; so India can do whatever it wants’.
It’s not “curious”, it’s a well known tactic of professional trolls employed by Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party’s IT cell. Whataboutism and tu quoque are its default mode of response.
May I have your source proving the “genocide of one million Hindus in Bangladesh”? Can you prove it? My grandparents were refugees from East Pakistan at Partition, and even they would say you’re talking through your hat, or, more accurately, your Modi mask.
Are you serious? The fact that Hindus were targeted, for religious reasons, during the Bangladeshi Genocide is well known.
This is amply documented. For instance:
There are countless eyewitness testimonies regarding this.
Your “sources” are the usual Bhakt “articles”, I see. What next, are you going to post “articles” from professional Bhaktoganda site Postcard News?
If you want an *independent* examination of the episode, Sarmila Bose – a Bengali Hindu – has written “Dead Reckoning”, which probably your ideological stance will forbid you to read.
@Biswapriya Purkayastha: You think Sarmila Bose is an impartial investigator? How absurd and offensive.
This is an article by Mashuqur Rahman regarding Ms. Bose:
“In her attempt at denial, Sarmila Bose relies on the Pakistan government’s report on the atrocities and the accounts of Pakistani soldiers, the perpetrators of the genocide. She overlooks news reports from the time, eyewitness accounts, academic works, and case studies. Instead of addressing the issue of genocidal rape in 1971, Ms. Bose tries to deconstruct and discredit a handful of accounts of rape. She targets personal narratives, such as that of Ms. Priyabhashini’s, to try to prove the victims were not raped. She does not engage the issue of the number of rapes in any substantial way, or address how her assertions of “several thousand rapes” can be reconciled with numbers put forward by international agencies or independent reports, nor does she engage the discussion of genocidal rape as a war strategy.
In the end, her paper is neither scholarly nor neutral. It is an apologia for the Pakistan army and for the genocide it perpetrated against the Bangladeshi people in 1971.”
“She begins by trying to cast doubt on an eyewitness, named Rabeya Khatun, whom she dismisses as illiterate, to rape at Rajarbag. Ms. Bose then dismisses accounts of two other corroborating witnesses because their testimony was similar to Ms. Khatun’s and they, too, were illiterate. Ms. Bose declares the witness’s testimony not credible because, “the language is not what would be used either by illiterate sweepers or by educated Bengalis in everyday conversation.”
She then finds refuge in the account of a Pakistani Lt. Col. Taj who, unsurprisingly, “categorically denied that any molestation of women had taken place at Rajarbag by his men.” Ms. Bose then informs us Lt. Col. Taj was not actually present at Rajarbag after the first night of military action. Yet, she felt the need to inject him as a fact witness.”
Even the Bangladeshi official account, assuming you want to cite it, says the West Pakistani army massacred East Pakistanis – students, intellectuals, and ordinary people – and did not commit a “genocide of Hindus”.ake up your mind what you want to say. You can either support the “Hindu genocide” story or the “East Pakistani genocide” story. You can’t do both.
As for Bose’s book, why don’t you read it for yourself? I did.
Tibet was incorporated into China’s Yuan Dynasty in the 13th century. India took advantage of a weakened China, just recovering from the Civil War and was embroiled in Korea, when in 1951 invaded Tibetan territory that was explicitly left to Outer Tibet in the east by the MacMahon Line, the monastery town of Tawang, and annexed it. On July 1, 1954 Nehru also unilaterally extended the Indian claim line in Kashmir to include Aksai Chin, which had been left to Tibet by MacMahon.
China has resolved its boundary disputes with Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Laos, North Korea and Vietnam in the years between 1963 and 2008. China had repeatedly suggested through the 1950s a straightforward swap – Aksai Chin for the MacMahon Line and a clear demarcation of borders. India refused every time.
Swap Aksai Chin. First China does not own it. It was gifted by a country that also did not own it. It’s like asking me to take a dollar from my left pocket, put it in my right pocket and give you 50c.
At no time did India own it.
Alternatively, give back Arunachal Pradesh and take Aksai Chin. Arunachal Pradesh was Tibetan territory and the Brits took it. So by your logic it’s Chinese and they have a full right to it.
We are not playing trade here. Its not like swapping baseball cards.
Your swapping baseballs cards aside, today the *Chinese openly announced they don’t Recognise or consider Aksai Chin as part of India, rather Its part of Tibet and will remain so as Chinese protectorate, I understand for the first time in recent tensions with India they used bullets and a few of Indian soldiers have gone missing.
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It was becoming apparent from way back in the 1990s that in a future US-China war, Indians would become the Gurkhas of the American empire. Unfortunately, those fears now seem to be becoming more and more justified. India’s Hindu jingoism will not serve India and world peace well. Nor will it serve Hindus well, which is ironic.
The BJP ideology is based on redressing the wrongs – real and imaginary – done to Hindus in the past. If we start digging into the past, no one’s hands are really clean. The rational and kind thing to do is to move on and to create a better world for the coming generations. India with its ugly and heart-wrenching poverty especially needs to work for the future.
Just as the Nazi movement arose out of the truth of injustice done to Germany by the Versailles treaty, just so is India’s jingoistic nationalism based on memories of past injustices. India seems to be on the way to becoming a threat to world peace. If the danger seems distant it is primarily because of India’s core weaknesses, its inefficiencies, and the back-breaking poverty of its people.
China’s grand achievement of lifting a billion people out of poverty within fifty years is strangely lost on Indian and Western elites. Instead, the attempt is how to turn the clock back for China!
As for the specific facts pertaining to this India-China matter. It is indeed strange that India has border disputes with all its neighbors! And it refuses to take action to resolve the issues in a spirit of give and take. The world’s silliest drama is played out daily at the border of India and Pakistan, where border guards of both sides strut and posture like cocks going into a fight. A more absurd and theatrical display of jingoism does not exist anywhere else in the world.
Tibet and the areas bordering China are inhabited by people who look very different from Hindus because they are racially very different from Hindus. These were remote, isolated areas which were historically semi-autonomous. They were loosely under Chinese suzerainty for long, the extent of suzerainty varying from time to time in inverse proportion to China’s strength. When the British conquered the Indian subcontinent, they regarded these areas as under their suzerainty. China was then in no position to take any interest in Tibet and the surrounding areas. So India’s claim to these areas is debatable at best in historic terms, becoming instead very weak if we look at how different the local people are to Hindus.
Kashmir has been Muslim majority since at least the 12th century. Punjab was never all Hindu, since at least the 15th century. Areas bordering Afghanistan (present day Pakistan) were Muslim, and as you moved eastward through the Punjab, the proportion of Hindus and Sikhs increased. But there was always a substantial Muslim population in the Hindu-Sikh majority parts of Punjab. To claim that Kashmir and Punjab were 100% Hindu is flat nonsense.
The danger of the BJP ideology is that seeks to conduct itself in the world based on imaginary Hindu glories and real and imaginary wrongs done to Hindus. Such a project is doomed to failure. Unfortunately, such ideologies also create risks for world peace.
“The danger of the BJP ideology is that seeks to conduct itself in the world based on imaginary Hindu glories and real and imaginary wrongs done to Hindus. Such a project is doomed to failure. Unfortunately, such ideologies also create risks for world peace.”
They have learned from the “best” in business, the zionist usurpers of Palestine, the nazified western intelligence agencies and the heirs to the east india company in the city of london. bjp is going to destroy india more then it is already.
I don’t normally respond to Anonymous messages, but I’ll make an exception this time. There seem to be two kinds of Anonymous commenters here.
One is the Anonymous Genuine Indians who genuinely care about India’s wellbeing, and are frightened about the long reach of India’s secret police and Modi’s IT Cell.
The second group are the Anonymous Hindutva Obscurantists. This second group are Thallasic India’s cyber and phone troops. These are civilian grey-area, dual-use troops. They roam and police the Thallasic space like this Saker blog, on behalf of Thallasa, but protecting India’s Hindutva interests. The also serve as salespersons for selling, for example, Solar Panels, and Microsoft Windows by cold calling to telephones in the nations of the Thallasic space, from Call Centres within India. They also handle service phone calls, about products and gewgaws, sold by the many globalist companies within the Thallasic space. You never can tell the difference.
The objective of the Anonymous Hindutva Obscurantists seems to want to deliberately drag the Blog, away from open discussions about a fast-moving south Asian situation happening out there right now in real time, to frame it as a small anti-India propaganda point. This is what obscurantists do. They obscure.
For the record I’d like to state a few facts about my Hindu friends in Karachi:
— Thakur Jawa was the Chief Reporter of the Star newspaper Karachi. He was my neighbour. When he expired in 1993, his son Sunil Jawa, requested me to stand beside him, at Thakur’s cremation at Mewashah Graveyard. I was shocked to see four 5kg tins of ghee used. It was my honour to stand alongside Sunil in Mewashah Graveyard, while Sunil performed his last duties of a son to his father. The pujari was also there. Sunil wanted to settle down in Gujarat state with extended family, and the Indian government gave him a hard time simply because he was a Pakistani. India does this to all Hindus in Pakistan. India treats anyone born in Pakistan even 75 years ago, and living for 70 years in Canada for example, as a terrorist.
—-We had a Mr Justice Bhagwandas, a judge of the Sindh High Court, known, but not my friend. And there was another. My friend and colleague Staff Reporter Bhagwandas on the Dawn newspaper. We also have Hindus working as doctors/bureaucrats in the Sindh Health Department. In my professional duties as a reporter for public health I met some of them.
—– There was also my friend, the late Navinder Kumar Mana, with whom I used to attend the Shiv Mandir Temple for Shivratri.
You may Google yoursef “Hindu Temples in Karachi” and count for yourselves how many only Hindu temples there are.
—– During the worst troubles in the 1990s, the Karachi administration had two policement with AK-47s protecting each of the 733 minority worship places in Karachi. Can any of you Hindutva obscurantists comprehend the cost to the Karachi administation, of posting 1,400 policement at any given time, dedicated to protect these minority places of worship??
Noel; A rich read. Thank you. I have to acknowledge you for what I consider to be an excellent description of the information warfare structure currently targeting the American people. You write “India has a formidable internal Edward Bernaysian tactical structure, pointed inwards, directed at fragmenting its own population,…”
That is an excellent picture of the tactical structure of the Corporate mass media in the Anglo-Zionist empire is it not? A Zionist (i.e. Bernaysian) inspired and organized tactical structure of mind control media, pointed inwards, directed at fragmenting the minds of the American people. This really works for my poetic side as of late, as I have found myself imagining that the American mass mind is being attacked by, a deliberately constructed, huge death star. Their mythic evil empire and its super weapon is becoming real for Americans is it not. These besieged people really need their real “star wars.”
Both tactical warfare structures of mass mind control, India’s and Anglo-America’s share the same source. One single globalized death star of mind control. All of it straight out of the cunning heart of the English empire.
However your portrait of Chinese Information warfare regarding the pandemic confuses me. You seem to imply it was an example of Chinese counter aggression in the form of Tia chi. As far as I can see the bullshit about the pandemic comes from the Western agenda. It was the empire what done it. However I claim no certainty. Can anyone here cast light on this matter?
Noel is wrong in some things.
1. No “state of war” existed between India and China to 1992. No state of war existed at any time, even during de facto war in 1962. Even diplomatic relations weren’t interrupted.
2. All Indian prisoners taken by China, including senior officers, during the 1962 war were returned in May 1963. There were no Chinese prisoners taken by India during the war, though one Chinese soldier who strayed into Indian territory after the end of hostilities was only returned a few years ago. I assume that his uncle was captured similarly in a later episode.
3. There won’t be any India China war because India would be smacked flat if it fights alone and the Imperialist States of America won’t commit political and economic suicide for the greater glory of Narendrabhai Damodardasbhai Modi.
What is your analysis of the Indian Military? They seem to be quite interested in conflict/war. They may be more arrogant than any military of major states. I’d like your POV about them.
Please check my link on the comment below, I give a detailed analysis of the Indian military, of which – as an air force dental officer – I was once part.
The wrong way to read Wikipedia, is to read it as a propaganda outlet. The correct way to read Wikipedia is, as a one-sided strategic information warfare outlet of the west and India
On the contrary, Wikipedia must be read as Jewish public-relations material, not as information. It is usable, up to a point, but must be handled with extreme caution.
On the contrary, Wikipedia must be read as Jewish public-relations material, not as information. It is usable, up to a point, but must be handled with extreme caution
But the Wikipedia is good at telling us the atomic weights of different elements and similar useful information. :)
Just after the June clash – Modi’s China War – I had written a long article on the genesis, causes, and likely future course of events. It is here:
As you can see, my predictions have mostly already come true and none have failed so far.
Great info and a great read, thanks!
You’re welcome. Please feel free to share, cite, etc.
I was fascinated by your research and analysis, and also by your earlier article on the 1963 battles on the border. I would never have believed that so much fantasy could have been what motivated governments? I couldn’t put either document down until I finished reading. Thanks so much for sharing your insight.
In Reading your 1962 history of the India China border clash I saw your reference to The Henderson-Brooks/Bhagat Report. This is the military commissioned study of what went wrong for India, and has been classified as Top Secret for more than 55 years. You said there were two copies of the report under lock and key and intimated that a third copy was floating around somewhere, stating Neville Maxwell, the author of “India’s China War” had used it as source material. Yes, I believe that you used it as source material also.
In 2014 Maxwell supposedly published it on his website. You have also linked to it. All these links are dead, 404. But still I was curious to find out more about it. Every download link was dead. Then finally yesterday I was on the India Defence Review And low and behold, after a long pause, a pdf popped out. 126 pages on a manual typewriter from the 60’s. On one page there’s a post-it note saying 45 pages are missing. It’s a reconstruction of events piecing together all the coded messages of the orders wired to the troops. Every message has the name of that message, for example: “IV Corps Signal No. 03116 of 16 October 1962 – Annexure 96”. Then a summary of the message. How can it not be authentic? There was no study of the deliberations of the Department of Defense, the government nor the military high command. That’s because they never existed. No high command meeting ever had minutes of the meeting, and there were no telephone logs. It was said these deliberations were top secret so nothing written could be permitted. Funny thing is: After every secret meeting all decisions were published in the newspapers the following morning. The Chinese intelligence service only had to read the Indians paper to make their war plans.
It is not an article nor modern-day report. I was somewhat familiar with the locations from your earlier article. All the maps referred to were missing, not part of the manual typewriter. I didn’t know very much about the Indian military structure. No Chinese explanations are included accept noting what they are doing and where they move. But I definitely followed it and was fascinated. I have really gained an immense understanding from your writing and from finding this classified report. Everybody, see for yourself.
Mr Biswapriya, I enjoyed reading your excellent article. Thank you for sharing.
The Henderson report, for those interested.
“Its sad that Modi was so dishonest to sell himself to the West as the cheap prostitute he is, willingly forgetting how the West treated India through the ages.”
Modi doesn’t give a damn about India. Modi doesn’t really give a damn for Hindus either, or Hindus would not be suffering systematic discrimination, oppression and violence in the tribal states of North East India. Modi doesn’t care about his fellow Hindu fascists either: he’s thrown plenty of them under the bus, such as his fellow genocidaires Gordhanbhai Zadaphia, Mayaben Kodnani, and Haren Pandya. Modi only cares about one thing, and that is the greater glory of Narendrabhai Damodardasbhai Modi.
From afar, I share your analysis of Modi. He may be one of the most dangerous actors on the world stage due to his ego and lack of wisdom.
Modi ever sold out to the west. The RSS were the creation of the British Raj. They were and are always slaves to their overlords/ladies. It’s in their DNA.
Pradeep is completely right. The RSS even opposed the freedom movement.
theatre. their leaders all smile and behave perfectly when in davos for their yearly scripts. money creators run all nations. (i care not for what puppet is placed upon the throne of england). (if my sons do not want war, there is no war)
The new Übermensch in the Far East want more lebensraum, so they are actively agitating for more territory on land and at sea from all their weaker neighbours. Just like Hitler did before WW2, he moved on Austrian land, Czech land and of course Polish land. But Hitler needed more lebensraum than that, and there was only one country that could satisfy Hitler’s lebensraum requirements.
Similarly, there is actually only one country who can satisfy China’s lebensraum requirements, and China was empowered by western capitalists for just that task. Hitler was also empowered by a similar bunch of Western Capitalists for the same reason. Successful invasions only come from the East in Eurasia, so it is hoped that South East located China will be able to do the job on Russia, certainly none of the invasions from the West got anywhere.
Meanwhile the new Übermensch in the Far East seem to be cruising for a bruising with both the US and India at the same time, not the wisest of moves, but they have multiple generations of Übermensch divinely ordained heavenly mandated indoctrination behind them. They must not forget what happened to Japan, the previous title holders of Übermensch of the Far East.
All the US is doing is positioning their nuclear attack subs in the middle of the Indian and Pacific oceans forcing the Chinese to explode in one direction only, even the US knows its aircraft carriers are a waste of time against near peer opponents.
Neither Germany in 1933 nor China were financed by Western banks. Hitler created debt free currency to pay the German workforce to produce autobahns, railways and war materiel that lifted Germany out of the Great Depression that occurred in the rest of Europe, caused by Western banks calling in debts, and withholding new credit. The government owned Bank of China creates its own domestic currency the yuan without incurring debt to private banks, that puts its workforce to productive use building high speed rail, highways, hydro dams, power stations, schools, universities and such that have transformed China within the space of thirty years into an industrial powerhouse from what was a largely agrarian economy.
Money is just a series of data entries on computers these days, that can be created at will by sovereign governments. Gold bars are not needed, they are an anachronism.
This is straight from the “Epoch Times”, the mouthpiece of the notorious Falun Gong. In 2006 it published an alleged speech of “Chi Haotian, China’s Minister of Defence and Vice-Chairman of China’s Central Military Commission, given to his military leadership in which he exposed the “Plans for Conquest & Extermination of North America”. It makes very interesting reading (it talks of ‘lebensraum’, ‘yellow race’, ‘white race’, uses phrases lifted from ‘Hitler’s Table Talk’, which alone would point to the origin of the speech).
Dawn newspaper PAKISTAN. enough said. If saker wants to give platform to wahabbis then it is not helpful. Hinduism and Sikhism were genocidally dealt with by the Pakistani army in the 1940s to 1960s .
Indians are incapable, or unwilling, to grasp the reality of the current crisis.
Self-deceptive nature ofIndians compels them to live in their own delusions.Indian media are falsely calling it Chinese encroachment into Indian areas (while Modi clearly refuted/negated that claim). But Indians are trying to portray the crisis as Chinese aggressionagainst their country. The reality is that, first of all, these are not Indian areas.
These are disputed areas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There used to be a mutually agreed line, called the LAC, marking the disputed areas controlled by both sides.
But Indians turned to be renegade on 5 August 2019 when India unilaterally changed the status of
disputed state of J & K as Indian territory.
On September 1, Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying held a regular press conference. A reporter asked about the latest developments on the China-India border.
The extent of absolute media slander in all its “glory” is as much on the same level with China as with Russia now.Sometimes even more vicious. And Pompeo-Pompus as the the brand-new American Dr. Joseph Goebbels with his constant racist & almost fascist smear-lie-agitation-propaganda-attacks would have been printed in “Der Angriff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Angriff“) without editing at any time. And he gets all the help form transatlantic-corporate-rat-media aka BuzzFeed & Co. !!!
Here is another example:
How did this “5-star” community in Xinjiang become a “concentration camp” in the US media?
Text/Observer Network Zhao Noah] For a long time, some western media have repeatedly discredited the so-called “concentration camp” issue in Xinjiang, China , and concocted a lot of fake news. On August 27, local time, the US “BuzzFeed” news network once again fabricated a series of flawed “investigative reports”, which aroused many doubts.
WESTERN MEDIA’S FAVORITE HONG KONG ‘FREEDOM STRUGGLE WRITER’ IS AMERICAN EX-AMNESTY STAFFER IN YELLOWFACE
(And by the way: the reason why I stopped reading ZeroHedge was the moment they released a simalar topic story, which was also pretty much falsified and original linked to REUTERS. ZH never even mentioned it later on or correct it. Reuter was busted for at least 8 fabricated articles in the last 2.1/2 years, yet “R” did retract only two articles because of lawsuits – for example Russian-Venezuelan-Sanctions-Oil Fantasy. From those 8 articles 6 ended up with “ZH” and none got exposexd as false or fabrication!! One really good+trustworthy
publishing site !!)
My opinion is there will be a war btween fascist zionist inspired hinduthva ruled india and Pakistan/China befor 2025 and a major conflict btween the nato sphere and Russia/China before 2032. My dates are formed in large part on Socrates(Armstrong economics), a ton off different blogs, msm/nato/governments and understanding of real economics(production/industry/oil/electricity consumption) and education levels in the anglo zionist sphere and the opposing side.
I do sincerely hope i am wrong yet i fear that i am absolutely right.
The reason you are wrong is that Singh a war will destroy the industrial holdings of Narendrabhai Damodardasbhai Modi’s corporate owners, particularly his fellow Gujaratis Mukeshbhai Dhirubhai Ambani and Gautambhai Shantilalbhai Adani.
This guy is anti BJP in all his comments. May be he likes INC but he personally does not like Modi and his tribe. Putting out their full names here makes no difference. Nobody cares.
I don’t know about your first prediction, but this one: ” a major conflict btween the nato sphere and Russia/China before 2032.” is silly. Russia and China will have powered up so significantly by that date there is no way anyone will start a war with them. Presently, NATO is terrified of Russia alone. And the US is very hesitant to be the front line against Russia.
As for China, it certainly does’t concern itself with NATO, nor should it. Russia has Brussels staked to the ground like Gulliver. Facing the US means the US Navy, with its stooge allies (India, Australia and Japan).
China isn’t going to engage in a blue water war. Why should it when it can stay home and sink all the warships for 1000 miles around the Pacific, Sea of Japan, South China Sea and Straits of Malacca.
War is about missiles and drones. The nations with huge navies, especially carriers, are merely providing expensive targets with large clusters of thousands of sailors doomed if war erupts.
I agree with ”a major conflict between the nato sphere and Russia/China before 2032” wont happen – for the reasons you cite
There might be annoying & distracting ‘skirmishes’ on Russia’s (& China’s) borders eg Georgia, etc and more attempts at color revolution / regime change operations in former Soviet Central Asian republics – the ‘Stans – there may even be swarming on as many small border disputes as US- NATO
– a madman gets to push the red button, or
– a 3rd party (and we all know who that will be) launches a strike so the West and Russia blame each other,
there will not be a major conflict.
A friend of mine keep repeating that “Colonization is a process that happens in mind of people, not in the territory they live. The purely territorial process has a different name: occupation.”…
And I really think he is right.
Indians was really colonized.
I see no need for China to get into war with India. Economics are all at China favor and Indians can´t afford war against any minimally competent state in the region… even less against China. As it is right now, it will turn into a failed state sooner than later. They keep bullying other states just to remain marginally relevant, more and more as a bully state. Through the history, this behaviour never bought a good end.
I never understood the dudes that turn against the neighbours in the same street relying on the dudes of other cities…
I fear you may be right. I started seeing war clouds over South Asia (India/Pak/Bangladesh) and China since mid-1990’s because since around that time Indian elites were hallucinating that they would become a world power by aligning economically and militarily with the US. This arising militarism in India was blessed by the Americans (looking for cannon fodder for its China campaign), India’s internal Hindu fanaticism, and an unstable global situation in the wake of the Soviet collapse. A solid China-Russia alliance could nip in the bud some future trouble, but India will remain the spanner in that project. At present, Russia seeks to keep both India and China as friends. This hedging is based on a lack of full trust in each other. The moment there is a weakening in the Russian-Chinese partnership, India may be let loose on China by the US. If the action starts in the South China sea, China may well have to brave it out alone, facing both the US and India.
Slight oversight but too sadly common from Saker discussions. China is dam building on all major river systems starting in Tibet. Ganges, Mekong and others. Thus affecting all neighboring states. Please remember approx 1 million Vietnamese had to leave Mekong Delta due to dams, climate extremes, & mismanagement. Even Chinese hydrologists were warning 20 30 years ago about not respecting unpredictable climate extremes which overwhelm man made structures and ill planned urbanisation. Rest assured Indian food sustainability is well below China..(a first too, with Diva typhoon wacking NE China crop cropd.) Perhaps 184 million unwelcome Muslims will do Yoga as per Guru Modi!!
Is it true that this has become an anti – India blog ? It does seem like it.
As far as China is concerned the immortal words of George Orwell seem apt –
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. ”
” Big Brother is watching you. ”
As far as this article is concerned –
” Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. ”
This is what is being attempted by this article through selective reading and bias.
It’s like India is the big bad wolf whilst China and Pakistan can never do any harm for they have been sent from heaven to save all humanity.
Woe betide the blind followers of China and Pakistan. For its these two countries which have caused or will cause the greatest harm to their neighbours.
Today it may have been India’s turn to suffer tomorrow it may well be Russia’s. The whole world knows about the 50 year plan of the PLA.
I know that I can neither criticise the author or the blog, lest my comments be brushed aside by the moderators, so I will leave it at that.
You seem to live in a bubble. So sure of yourself…No personal attacks. Mod.
Anti-India doesn’t mean it’s wrong. There is such a thing such as tide in history. A tide that even an India cannot over turn. India is walking down the wrong side of history. It’s too bad … because it doesn’t have to be….
The Indian economy has suffered due to this so called pandemic, through the policies of lockdowns, social or physical distancing, and the weird hysteria generated by world powers which would include China. But the fact remains that the Chinese took advantage of India’s debilitated position caused by the Corona plandemic.
As per the above mentioned article itself, the Chinese advanced into de-facto Indian territory through subterfuge and killed several Brave Indian soldiers. So what should the general Indian’s do, and I’m not talking about the present government, lie down and surrender ?
The author of the article seems to be taking a perverse pleasure in the the said defeat of the Indian army in Galwan valley and the deaths of Indian soldiers. For your information the remote Galwan valley was named after an Indian.
So who is the occupier in the present instance ?
The article you cite is an “English translation of the article, from a [separatist] Hong Kong blog”
HK used to be a UK colony remember?
Ever heard of the ‘Stay-behind’ policy (Operation Gladio) ?
If not, research what the US-CIA/NATO did in Italy in the postwar years against the Italian communist party and communist intellectuals and you will have your eyes opened
Dont you think that the Brits also did that in HK?
The rabid anti-China agitprop in the Indian MSM serves the purpose of keeping Indians afraid and buying US miliatry hardware and throwing a spanner in China’s brilliant initiative of the Belt and Road (BRI) lifting billions of people in Eurasia & Africa out of poverty by pursuing trade for mutual benefit.
India could have been proud that another Asian country would become the world’s largest economy and couldve fully participated in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) but what did your leadership do? Turn their backs on their Asian neighbor!
Given the way Indian people were treated by the Britishers , why on earth would your leadership want to fall under their yoke again?
This pic of Modi with 5 (count them!) five! war criminals – Kissinger, Condi Rice, Tony Blair, Robert Gates & John Howard says it all.
See: Explained: As People Laud Modi’s Photo-Op With India-Hating Kissinger, TLI Takes A Deeper Look
Remember it was Kissinger who infamously had called former Indian PM Indira Gandhi a ‘b**ch and Indians ba****ds which was revealed by declassified papers from the US State Department https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/29/india.usa
” _Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes_ ” is a Latin phrase from Aeneid (II, 49), written by Virgil between 29 and 19 BC. It has been paraphrased in English as the proverb “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts”. Its literal meaning is “I fear the Danaans [Greeks], even those bearing gifts” or “even when they bear gifts”.
In today’s context this applies very well for the Chinese, and should be read as –
“Beware of Chinese bearing gifts”.
For the Chinese deem themselves to be the Middle Kingdom, between Heaven and Earth. To them the rest of us mortals are of no consequence or should be controlled.
And which other ideation or religion comes quite close to this way of thought ?
> has become an anti – India blog
Some articles or comments may be overreacted, or indeed anti-indian;
but those happen after India commited various very stupid moves.
I am absolutely no specialist of the region;
and I had usually a quite sympathetic view of India (the fact that Pakistan sided with the US and afghan terrorist in the 1980s for example)
However, when some time ago there have been a aerial skirmish between India and Pakistan I smelled something bad.
Both countries were being integrated in a larger asian framework; then suddenly that confrontation, of course that benefits the USA. And I was sad that Pakistan and India ahad fallen to such a trap.
Then there was the India/China battle with sticks; that, again, was a very sad news; two countries that have all to gain by cooperting having a confrontation…
While on the previous incident I didn”t knew which side was the stupid fool doing the US job; now with a second round I started to have some suspicions.
Then I read a report on the confrontation; a report done by the Indian side btw.
And it clearly puts the fault on the Indian side.
The report said that the Indian soldiers found a new Chinese presence, and went to meet them, then a brawl started.
It is NOT to a local commander to decide to do a fight or not in such a delicate circumstances.
If the Chinese side was faulty, and new Chinese soldiers changed or breached some previous arrangement, the duty of the Indian commander was to report that to his superios so that the matter could be handled at the higher political level.
By starting a fight (and the Indian report itself claims that the Indian soldiers went to the Chinese side and started the fight) the Indian commander either:
A. did something unlawful, by taking actions harmful for his country; which means India doesn’t control its military, which is infiltrated by the Empire
B. had received orders from his superiors to act that way; which means the political Indian body decided to do the dirt work of the Empire by going at a “low level” war with China.
I mean, I perfectly understand that there are divergences between China and India; but they should be handled at the political level.
Going to the war level only benefits the Empire, and hurst both China and India.
And the the evidence so far points to India being the one doing the stupid things hurting itself as well as its neighbors, for the sole benefit of a far away Empire (a decaying and crumbling one! so even the timing is utterly stupid)
There is a superb comment by gT about westerm capital empowering China. I suggest you read it if you missed it. Removed. Mod.
Look, we know Russia. She acts when threatened and when she has the strength, as in Syria. Also, lots if evidence of Russian empire and later era, ie. Stalin onwards, USSR acting likewise, as a balance to geopolitical west.
Asia, Africa and Latin America know this.
There is no similar Chinese comparison. When Brazil and India and a host of small countries were desperately fighting the WTO, before Brazil got crushed, where was Russia and China. Russia was recovering, China was being pumped full of financial and intellectual and human capital to grow at a vastly accelerated rate.
Look, there is a position that Xi faction changed China. But there is no evidence, just Belt and Road corporate talk. Lots of talk. Talk of them doing this and that in Syria for instance. How did China get tacked into that? Iran was there, Hezbollah, Russia and Syria and its people. Lots of credit where it is not due.
South Asia is Indians civilisational space, to borrow a phrase from Saker. The land between mount Kailash and between two oceans is Bharatha. Its a long story and ignoring that plays into a vast colonial narrative in academia.
I have very much appreciated this site because of its level headed view of things Russian, compared to the blatant anti-Russian stance of most of the mainstream “Western” media. Since the Saker is open to view points that run counter to even his positions, as long as they are fairly presented, it has been a pleasure visiting here.
I noticed lately there have been some articles and comments that are overtly pro-CCP and pro-Pakistan government, which is fine, but accompanied by overtly anti-Indian rhetoric, meaning against Indian people, such as “Self-deceptive nature of Indians compels them to live in their own delusions…”. All 1.4 billion?! Wow? Or calling them “sidewalk defecators”. Which is actually quite true, but also applicable to China (I have seen it), and parts of San Francisco.
The Saker has said you can criticize governments and institutions, but not people. For instance, criticize Israeli policies, but do not denigrate Jewish people. Or disapprove of the CCP, not Chinese people.
I guess the moderators have their interpretation of the rules, which is their right, of course, so I will move on. But warm appreciation for some of the commenters here, especially in the café, and of course the resident bards!
But see the commentaries of M K Bhadrakumar in 2009, when Modi was planting the seeds of the present situation!
@The Dragon spews fire at the Elephant, by M K Bhadrakumar, Asia Times, October 15, 2009
“Beijing was “seriously dissatisfied” by the visit of the Indian prime minister 10 days ago to the state of Arunachal Pradesh (which China claims as its territory).
The Chinese spokesman said, “China and India have not reached any formal agreement on the border issue. We demand that the Indian side pay attention to the serious and just concerns of the Chinese side and not to provoke incidents in the disputed region, in order to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations.”
Delhi was getting “disoriented when making decisions “because it harbored a notion that the US was viewing India as a counterweight to China. Delhi was also becoming susceptible to the US stratagem to “woo India away from Russia and China and, in
the meantime, feeding India’s ambition to match China force by force by its ever burgeoning arms sales to India…
The Americans are vastly experienced with the Indians’ HIMALAYAN EGO and by now they know well enough where and how to tickle Indian VANITIES. How they pedal fresh dreams to the Indians and pick up the fruits of their endeavors will be keenly watched not only by the multitude of Indians back at home, but also by the Pakistanis, Chinese and the Russians”.
2009 was the time when the BRICS romance was in full blossom! What made India become the spoiler of the Belt and Road Initiative? Other than (in Bhadrakumar’s words) “the rising tide of Indian nationalism in the past decade or so with its disagreeable manifestations for regional cooperation” which only grew since 2009, to indeed reach Himalayan peaks?
If Monsanto can gain a foothold in India with its ludicrous proprietary seeds (BT cotton and others) to the detriment of India’s own farmers (which the Indian government turns blind eye to), you can pretty much deduce the roots and influence of the British/Anglos never truly left India. They run very deep.
It is also important to understand that India can never truly be a cohesive nation due to the glaring differences in language (divided into several major regions) and thus customs. India at its core remains a balkanized nation – which the British Empire used to their advantage in past and even now. China can thank its first emperor when he standardized units of measure, currency and language – more than two thousands years in the past.
With Israel, dipping their hands into India through weapons technology and military contracts, it’s almost safe to say they won’t stop with just this. Israel’s main industry isn’t technology, weapons or farm products – these are just bonuses. Israel’s real industry is espionage, in any form.
In short, the Indians don’t have a clue. India stands to profit more by amicably resolving these border conflicts, instead of creating chaos over it. The whole of India is secure, so to speak from a geographical standpoint with the Himalayas standing guard, outside invasion is unthinkable due to its innumerable population. What else does India want?
No, dear audience. This conflict isn’t about India vs China. It’s about the politicians (Modi & co) scheming to hold onto power. This has similar parallels to Lukashenko and Belarus.
An in-depth article with the title “India, COVID-19, the United States, and China” by the Research Unit for Political Economy has just appeared in Monthly Review
«Among these Thalassic states are USA, and its First-Line allies UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Israel and the EU states.»
Most of the EU states are “world island”, “telluric” states that the English Empire has sought to keep disunited and weak since in the 16th-17th century it developed an overseas empire.
Portugal and Spain have been “thalassa” states, one allied, one opposed to the English Empire.
Arguably Spain has been also a “tellurian” state, even if mostly “thalassian”, while France arguably has also been a “thalassian” state even if mostly “tellurian”.
Also there is little question that Korea has never been “thalassian”, even if it relies on global exports, while Japan had ambitions to be both “thalassian” and “tellurian”, but mostly “tellurian”.
But currently all european states, including England, are “tellurian”. They are all USA protectorates, and it is the USA that is running a strategy of encirclement of all “tellurian” states in Europe and Asia.
«Thus Thalassic India can be perceived, existing as a geographical Forward Policy practitioner, against Telluric states.»
India is not thalassic, even if like south Korea it derives much income from exporting across the oceans, because like Korea it is not and cannot be a naval power: the Indian Ocean is not a waterway to any important markets, unlike the Atlantic or the Pacific, and all maritime routes out of it are controlled by the USA, and anyhow India like Korea has never had any significant long range (or even short range) fleet.
The strategy of the thalassocratic empires has always been to control the sea routes, and to isolate, encircle and breakup tellurian states into smaller ones, so as to dominate them, because usually thalassocratic empires had a small core country; the USA are pretty much the first thalassocratic state which is continental size, but they still follow the same logic.
India is simply being used/bribed by the USA, like Vietnam (or the Ukraine wrt Russia) or the states in the chain of islands from Sumatra to Hokkaido, to cooperate in encircling China, with the aim to isolate China and start breaking it up by first splitting off Tibet and Sinkiang.
Once they have broken China up, they will do exactly the same to India too, which is also a complicated multilingual multinational state too, and a potential rival to the USA.
The official geopolitical aim of the USA, as published by the Pentagon in the Clinton era, is to prevent the rise of any regional or global powers, by any means.
Indias very flimsy unity is unravelling under the Fascism Hindutva doctrine whose ideal is Naziism through its founding party the RSS, who follow the doctrine of Nazi forcible suppression of opposition.
The Hindutva illusion begins with Nazi central theme of pure race, whereas in reality india is a melting pot of millenniums of invasions and hindus living under Invaders, Particularly the muslim for over a 1000 years. The Hindutva illusion is now eating the whole edifice of united India and the country is collapsing.
Needless to say, to divert attention of starving masses is being whipped up by a leader who is more ordinary than the man on the street, How can a man who was a tea seller at a small railway station in India guide a nation of 1.4 billion, it is way beyond his mental or intellectual capability such a man can under no circumstances be able to lead a huge nation riddled with problems such as hunger, malnourish, unemployment, corrupt politicians who under wall street patronage are stealing whatever they can lay their hands on. So the only option open to this foolish uneducated Prime minister is to whip up trouble with neighbour’s.
The trouble that the Military of India is as incompetent and dysfunctional as the rest of the country. they tried to tangle with Pakistan, which is a battle hardened tough nation that promptly shot several India Airforce aircraft, captured the pilots and made a spectacle of returning them to India in media glare that put shame on all of indias face Internationally. Next they tried some trouble with China; who conveniently sent a few dozen India soldiers in bodybags without firinga single bullet. India has to learn to live with its neighbour’s or it will have to be carved out and balkanised into several smaller states, as it has been in the past (Think Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) by the powers that be to manage it better.