or, for that matter, this:
Well, our Israeli friends have done it again, check out this article by RT: (just ignore all the explaining away and other cop-outs in the text of the RT article).
‘McJesus’ statue sparks riot at museum in Israel as protesters call for removal of ‘offensive’ art
An art exhibit featuring a crucified Ronald McDonald caused chaos in the Israeli city of Haifa last week, after members of the country’s Arab Christian minority took offence at the depiction and protested outside the museum.Hundreds of Christian protesters called for the statue, titled ‘McJesus,’ to be removed from the museum, with Israeli police saying that some rioters even hurled a firebomb at the building and threw stones, shattering windows and injuring officers. Crowds were eventually dispersed with tear gas and stun grenades, according to the Associated Press.
Christian Palestinians protesting in front of the Haifa Museum to the sculpture “McJesus” by Finnish artist Jani Leinonen, depicting Ronald McDonalds clown on the cross. pic.twitter.com/7mZH0nq7Nz
— The Wolf Report (@thewolfreports) January 12, 2019
However, it seems the protesters missed the point of the exhibit, which was not intended to be an attack on Christianity, but instead meant as an artist’s statement on capitalism, corporate domination and how modern society and culture worship false gods. The exhibit also includes Barbie-doll boxes with Jesus and the Virgin Mary inside.
The sudden focus on the exhibit came as a surprise to Museum Director Nissim Tal, however, since the art in question had been on display for months already without issue. It is believed that photos of the controversial statue recently published on social media prompted the protests.
The work has also been shown in other countries without problems, although Israel’s Christians make up a tiny percentage of the population in a country which is already rife with ethnic and religious tensions.
Wadie Abu Nassar, an adviser to church leaders who have demanded the exhibit’s removal, told the AP it was necessary to understand that freedom of expression “is interpreted in different ways” in different societies. “If this work was directed against non-Christians, the world would be turned upside down,” he said.
The museum has refused to remove the artwork, saying that it must uphold freedom of expression and resist pressure. “If we take the art down, the next day we’ll have politicians demanding we take other things down and we’ll end up only with colorful pictures of flowers in the museum,” Tal said, adding: “We will be defending freedom of speech, freedom of art, and freedom of culture, and will not take it down.”
Israeli Culture Minister Miri Regev, who has earlier been accused of supporting censorship after pushing legislation commanding national “loyalty” in art, also called for the exhibit to be taken down, saying it was “disrespectful.”
The museum has hung a curtain over the entrance to the exhibit and put up a sign saying that it is not intended to offend, but that is the “maximum” it will do, its director added. Protesters, however, have refused to give up, with one reportedly camping outside the museum in a tent with a sign calling on artists to “respect religions.”
In another twist, the Finnish artist who produced the ‘McJesus’ statue, Jani Leinonen, also wants the work taken out of the Haifa museum, but not because he doesn’t want to offend. Leinonen said he supports the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement, which aims to pressure Israel to change its policies toward Palestinians.
The McJesus Saga keeps getting better and better. Apparently Finnish artist Jani Leinonen is a #BDS activist/supporter and wants his work taken out of the Haifa museum. He wasn’t aware it was being exhibited there. 😂 pic.twitter.com/WWiClhqh8L
— Nadine Nashef (@nanninenashef) January 14, 2019
Bottom line is this: if it is anti-Christian, then even a BDS-supporting goy will get his 15 minutes of fame in the “only democracy in the Middle-East”.
These guys, and the al-Qaeda crazies, are the forces which the West chose to support in the Middle-East.
“The sudden focus on the exhibit came as a surprise to Museum Director Nissim Tal, however, since the art in question had been on display for months already without issue. It is believed that photos of the controversial statue recently published on social media prompted the protests.”
Having grown up in the land of the carny hucksters, I wonder if the Museum Director didn’t solve a slow attendance problem at the museum by posting the pictures on social media himself? ;) Nothing helps sell tickets like a little controversy.
Keep calm, remember that there has been no shortage of mockers in nominally Christian countries too, at least since the lunatic Nietzsche published The Anti-Christ in the 19th century; and was there not a trivial Pasolini film mocking Christ filmed in the 20th? Let alone the original mockery by Roman soldiers clothing Him with a purple robe and a crown of thorns at the Crucifixion? The crucifixion which started the largest organization and the greatest force for good that the world has yet seen — the Church.
Nevertheless, the fact that this uproar happened in Israel (and not in the other countries where this piece of idiot artwork was previously shown) reinforces my oft-stated opinion that The Holy Land (which is sacred to three religions) ought not to be the property of one particular religious persuasion.
To me this is not offensive at all !
I was born and raised Orthodox Christian yet this “art” describe very well out current morality.
Why would anybody find this statue offensive when there are mass killings committed ( by the Christian nations such as USA and the West Europe) just for monetary profit ?
After the Inquisition, why would anybody find this statue offensive ?
The very existence of Vatican and it’s Popes is much more offensive than this…
I would concur!
Much rather than picturing Jesus, I would feel it really depicts one of the two thieves crucified with Jesus.
I agree with your sediment but I think this might be the proverbal straw that broke the camels back in the paitience of Palestian Christians.
the videos, quite funny,
in a kind of idiotic way.
Now it’s the right time for a few holocaust jokes?
As Charlie Hebdo makes no fun on that topic, here some articles to think about. https://russia-insider.com/en/jewish-question
I agree (if I understand the point correctly).
Ordinarily I am for zero tolerance when it comes to censorship of any free expression, including so-called “hate speech.”
If all religious symbolism is fair game for artists of all stripes (more and less “respectful”) then that goes for Judaism as well, of course. Not to mention Islam.
The museum director could prove his bona fides by showing art based also on Jewish stereotypes, such as a rabbi, or a banker, with a big schnoz.
Hwwever, this would not be allowed: It would be pegged as antisemitism.
Hence, in this atmosphere of “protection” of all things Jewish/Zionist, I think it is as bit much to criticize Palestinian Christians for shieldling their own religion from slings and arrows of cultural commentators.
BTW, the image of Christ as Ronald McD, or vice versa, Ronald McD as Christ, IMO is not particlarly effective as any kind of cultural criticism but is deeply lconfusing. I.e., bad art. It would make more sense if the Cross were made up of the Golden Arches, and the Christ figure were an overweight teenager.
Although of course I am pleased that the artist is part of the BDS movement. But that doesn’t improve his art.
As for the TV show that mocks Christianity: an outrage. These clips should be shown internationally whenever a charge of “antisemitism” is lobbed at anyone criticizing Israel. Why haven’t these gone viral?
USA is not a Christian nation now. It is ruled by satanists. How could you not know that?
Satan is a part of Christianity.Have you ever heard of Satan outside of Christian teachings?Non-Christians don’t believe in Satan anymore than they believe in the Christian God.
Oh really? Then please look up the words “shaitan”, “mara” or “oni” for that matter
Yes, there are other religions/cultures that have a similar(but not identical) duality concepts, good half-bad half and the consequent Satan/devil-figures, but Satan, specifically, is a Christian idea.
_ ” … satan is part of christianity ” ….
Well , satan is not ” part ” of christanity.
He was first angel God created , called also ” lucifer ” – ” bearer of light ” …
So , he was leader , should we say CO in angels army. Important angel.
Created innumerable eons before mankind , not to mention chtristisnity.
When God created men , gave men greater ” properties ” , even angels did not have.
So some of angels became envyous. Rebelions. There were enormous battles between those two group of angels. Between God’s angels and fallen ones.
So Lucifer , leader of fallen angels became Satan, or satan_el.
Now leader of fallen angels , demons.
God did not desintegrate him , as rebelious leader of fallen angels ,
but gave him some other duties.
To be instructor , troublemaker , sin inducer to mankind.
Something like chief of prison. Of Earth.
He places serious tests to mankid. Sins.
And man can decide.
He has free will given to him by God.
Yes , that is the point of angels’ envy.
Angels do not have free will. Man have.
Will man turn his life to God , or will he continue living in sin , and turn to satan.
Christianity realised this role of satan ,
so christianity warns men about this role of satan ,
so in that way satan became ” part of christianity ” . As warning.
To remind men what path will they choose.
Remember prayer ” our father … ” , and warning about satan role.
That is a Christian perspective of those who have already accepted Christian teachings as fact/true.Would you(or anyone else) know the word ‘Satan’ or for that matter, any of what you’ve written here, if Christian priests,the Bible,etc weren’t spreading such ideas?So without Christianity there is no Satan – the same applies to the other Satan-figures and their respective religions, that theSaker mentioned.And not being Christian, I don’t know any Christian prayers to remember.
_ ” without christianity there is no sàtan ” …
As i tried to explain before
lucifer/satan was created before existance of man…
So lucifer existed if no humankind appeared on earth.
With no connection to christanity.
Would you say that existance of universe _ cosmos
, would not be if there was not chistianity.
Could universe exist without christianity ? Of course it could. And does.
And if christian says , there is universe above . you say no.
There is no universe above , since you say it as christian ,
and universe is part of your belief.
So i am not christisn , therefore i do not belive cosmos exists. Just christian story.
Existance of celestial body is irrelevant to existsnce to some religion on earth.
In your religion is there some spirit , like good one , or demon , like bad one ?
_ ” christions nations such as usa and west europe _ ” …
Very big question is if usa and west europe are christian countries , at all ?
After millons and millions dead people from christian bombs and guns,
in civilised world , unnumerable suffering , pains ,
milions of children died in africa , yeary ,
In northern european countries , civilized , democratic countries , they removed sign of cross , as sign of christianity.
They led Soros imigrants from all muslim countries , young soldiers , jihadists, to use christain , empty , churches as their new _ temporary homes.
But first removed cross , as it would bother muslims. How nice , christians .
_ ” very existence of Vatican ” …
How some modern artist did not present McPope , instead of McJesus ?
good point and I fully agree!!
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the exhibit, I don’t recall that Jesus ever asked his followers to throw firebombs.
No one who resorts to violence can be a real Christian. (I admit I’m not a Christian, partly because I decided it’s too hard).
Ronald McDonald – now that really is funny.
‘These guys, and the al-Qaeda crazies, are the forces which the West chose to support in the Middle-East.’
It goes a little further than just ‘support’, doesn’t it?Israel was created by the West, and maybe al-Qaeda too.
_” … Israel wàs created by the west ” …
Remember Lawrence of Arabia , british intelligence .
Remember kingdom saudi arabia , british intelligence.
Old boys , british intelligence.
_… ” and maybe al_quaeda _ ”
Al_ quaeda was created by CIA_General Osama bin Laden.
He was double General :
General Emir of al_quaeda , and
CIA_General , as he worked for cia,
since rusian military adventure in afganistan
@ anon 123
If in doubt about cia_general and al_quaeda general osama bin laden,
I suggest to read text by olie richardson : ” why israeli’s airstrike … ” , jan 13 , 2019
And carefully examine organizational scheme displayed in text.
Isis ( al_quaeda ).
Perfect , thought out scheme , like scheme of cia.
Copied in smaller scale.
If you change all those green flags , and al_quaeda units ,
it is cia military organization. With all those departments units , sections ,
That organization could not be commanded by officer with rank less than general.
Cia_general. Al_quaeda general.
Christians making saints out of those who genocided pagans is fine tho.
Can’t remember if this was on the Saker before, but
“Christians in Israel are a small, weak community known for “turning the other cheek,” so these Jewish xenophobes feel free to spit on them; they don’t spit on Muslims in the Old City because they’re afraid to, the clerics noted.”
If you search for spitting on 12160.info lots of references to the spitting on Christians by Jews in Israel can be found.
Lately I discovered the Jews could have their reasons.
When Jesus arrived in 30AC, the Jewish community were hateful and angered by Roman suppression, humiliation, slavery and especially taxation.
Jesus claimed to be the awaited Messiah who according to the Torah should liberate them from slavery and make them free again, but Jesus instead praised the Romans and kicked the Jews out as God´s people?!
The Roman taxman could be saved, the Jewish priest not. The robber on the cross could be saved, the Jews not.
The Roman soldiers killing Jesus should be forgiven because they didnt know what they were doing, the Jews should not.
Pontius Pilatus who gave the order to kill Jesus washed his hands and was not guilty, the Jews were and became the scapegoats.
It was not the expected Messiah.
Notwithstanding the Jews or Jesus standing, we could to be fair say that the Jewish reaction had some reason.
I think its reasonable that Christians should start spitting on Jews in Christian countries. Fair is fair is it not?
the Christian faith does not condone spitting on anybody
rabbinical phariseism on the other hand….
Edicts putting people to death for pagan rites or demolishing temples to build churches says otherwise
Anyway the logical conclusion of your ideology is the Africanisation of your country. 🤷
Yeah, being good / tolerant gets you exterminated, being bad / intolerant on the other hand assures your survival. That is probably the reason the Jews survive to this day. So one can learn something even from them :-)
All of the original Christians, in Jerusalem, were Jewish.
_ ” jews could have their reasons ” …
Isus Christos was jewish KING.
You know , like a king of england.
42nd in line of jewish kings.
From Avram , as first king in line ,
and than next 41 generations of jewish kings.
Jews , of course , knew it perfectlly well.
Not acceping king as king , their reasons.
And they expexted pontius pilatus to kill him for them.
Before we go into the endless, vapid and futile discussions of whether Christ was killed by Romans or Jews, I want to remind you all of a few basics.
1) Real (Orthodox) Christianity does not believe in collective guilt or, for that matter, inherited collective guilt. However, we do believe in the INHERITED CONSEQUENCES of guilt (such as the original sin).
2) Both the Talmud and the New Testament absolutely and uniformly agree that Christ was NOT murdered by the Romans, but by those Jews who rejected Him
Finally, Christ Himself very clearly told us WHO and would murder Him and WHY. Here is what He said about that: (Mark 12:1-12)
And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.’
And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard
Finally, Saint Peter said the following to an assembly of Jews: (Acts 2:22-23)
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain
So let’s not act like the post-Christian pseudo-Christians of the West who now pretend like the Romans crucified Christ….
When we are dealing with the ideological descendents of those who chose Barabas over Christ, we must expect blasphemy of this nature.
They did everything they could to derail Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ” in 2004.
They reportedly felt it “wrongly” portrayed the Jews as being responsible for the death of Christ.
The movie was a huge hit and for that Mel Gibson has been blacklisted by Hollywood ever since.
As far as I know, Pilate pleaded with them to give Jesus a break, but they would have none of it.
In the end they gladly chose the notorious criminal Barabas over Christ.
When they were cautioned that Christ was a prophet and his killing would mean that his blood would be upon them, they cried out in unison, that they could care less, and said they had no problem with his blood being upon them and their children.
“Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.” – Matthew 27:25
Christian have genocided 3 continents in last 5c worse record than Islam or communists
_ ” … Christian have genocided ” …
Missuse of content of words.
Certainly those who commited genocides were not christians.
Those were false flag operations.
They aim was thirst for power, money , gold,
They used their satan_christian nature , left blame on christ_christians.
You can not call someone christian by his outside appearance. By birth.
But by content in his heart. True love for Christ. True love for men.
But by his acts ,actions , what one_man , personality did or did not.
In accordance with God’s orders.
All those genocides done were anti_christian advertising.
In accordance with instructions by their master , satan.
So there are Christ_christians , and satan_ christians.
Like white_pope , and black_pope.
They can not be mixed together , as christians.
You will recognize them by what have they done , or not done.
Love_driven , or hate_driven.
When Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?” The Jewish priests and leaders answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” These are some of the most haunting words ever spoken.
Obviously inspired by the Japanese who, due to genuine cultural misunderstandings, depicted santa claus in his red suit and beard on a cross in a department store window some years ago. I think that was a bona fide, if ill-advised, attempt to appeal to the western customers, though.
Concerning the TV program with this young woman, I read once (in the commentary section of youtube) that according to an Israeli , this was a parody (by neo-liberal Jews) to mock an ultra-right wing “educative” TV program that had been broadcast in Israel few years earlier. The guy gave so much detail about the similitudes between this clip and the other program that for one, I agreed with “them”
This is an easy metaphor to “grok” especially in the method of his presentation–Ronald MacDonald is a clown: ha, ha; trip and fall, Ha, Ha; eat big Hamburger..HA, HA.
Get crucified… ?!, ?!. What, you didn’t laugh? But the laugh-track did–what’s wrong with you?
It is mocking by trivialization and the creation of cognitive dissonance. Either of those brings down the spirit of the viewer and saps the energy of those who must rally their inner forces to resist the unconscious visual message. It is an insult even to a non Christian who loves art.
Rather than being a protest against modern capitalist manipulation, it is an unstellar example of it and also of the denigration of art. As a last act of the nihilism of the human spirit, perhaps the artist will try to make further millions by shredding this piece of cr-p on the auction block after its sale; thereby making his last dump on everyone.
Well, if the Talmud (Gittin 57) says Christ is boiling in Hell in His own excrement for eternity…. Folks do you really expect Israel to do anything but attack Christianity? (Okay okay if you are Christian Zionist, you don’t expect it and likely you don’t care either.)
The Tribe and it’s eternal blasphemous doings.
For centuries upon centuries they concoct, push, support and encourage all types of abominations.
Like this abomination against children:
And this Pharisee Tribe are daily seething in Satanic anger because try as they may, to inject their abominations, they have not succeeded in Orthodox Christian Russia.
It is too late for the West, unless each Christians make a religious commitment to repel with Christian prayers and a steady convinced heart, these Satanists Pharisees.
It’s just nauseating what this kid makes.
Thanksgiving Saker. It only shows how infuriated they are. The real pressure us building on Them, and what makes things worse for Them us that they understand history very well. Just redasing the old Testament suffices. There humour Makes us pity Them.
Christ the Savior Cathedral story
Pussy Riot gig at Christ the Savior Cathedral (original video)
Putin: What if “Pussy Riot” occurred in Israel?
This is simple: Disturbing the peace. Gets you a citation at least, if not a court date.
Be outraged, very outraged… Yawn.
Does anyone have a reliable source that documents the decline of world Jewry. Similar to the Amish in the USA, there are very few converts to Judaism. Interfaith marriages between Jews and non-Jews are causing most of their children to be raised either secular or Christian. Perhaps these videos signal desperation regarding demographics and seek to blame Christians as the cause.
Why would anyone want to convert to a religion that drones nonstop about the Holocaust. The Holocaust never should have happened, but it did. It was tragic. I get that. I do wonder why Jewish people refuse to acknowledge other crimes against humanity, such as the Turkish genocide of over two million Armenians. Jews are not the only victims, yet they remain so bitter about everything.
Where is the cheerfulness, and where are the signs of hope that I would expect to see from a world religion that wants more followers?
Saker: American Evangelicals need to see these videos. If they did, then perhaps they would not be such ardent supporters of Israel.
C’mon, give the zionists a break they murdered christ by colluding with their mortal enemy the Romans, thats a hefty burden to bare, (not to mention torturing and slaughtering a fellow jew) no wonder they seek relief in cognitive dissonance and fairy stories to the opposite, they hate being reminded of what they did even if it takes the form of childish art
_ ” they murdered christ _ ”
Well , rather strong use of word. Murdered.
One should not forget two dimensions of Christos appearance on earth.
One , heavenly .
He was Son of God. With all Gods’ energies within Him.
God Father assigned Christos with sets of tasks to be completed on Earth.
Do you think that with all those energies he could not destroy everything.?
Earth , Solar system ? He easily could ! But he had instructions from Father.
Second , earthly.
He was king of jews. King , important position on earth. 42nd king of jews.
So he could live as king his 136 years, with 34 sons , 127 grandsons , …
but nobody would remember him. One of forgotten kings. Long ago.
But his role was to be remembered.
New religion was formed after his days on earth
He entered hell and nullified all sins mankind did before Him.
Like fresh set_up. New start_up.
Present days sins are sins after Him.
He also had to show men resurection , and life after life.
How could He convince men in resurection , if He did not die before ?
His death on earth was planned event , long ago prediced by prophets.
So what prophets had foreseen , had to happen. To prove. To confirm.
He did come down to earth to be killed , as part of Gods’ plan.
Also , He was borned as member of Essen tribe.
Quite separate and different from ordinary jews.
Essens were men of virtue , honesty , lived like priests.
Humble , modest , sincere , loving others.
Ordinary jews were not so close to them.
And they disliked Isus Christos.
And liked to see him dead.
_ …” mortal enemy Romans ” _…
Romans were not mortal enemies to jews.
They just occupied jews land , like other many lands they occupied.
Are usa mortal enemies to afganistan , keeping them under occupation for years ?
Roman Pontius Pilatus investigated Isus Christos , and found no guilty on him.
He was ready to release him. Not guilty. But jews insisted. He has to be killed.
So romans are not guilty for killing Isus Christos. Romans were just hired hands.
…” do not judge . not to be judged ” .. there is saying , like advice to men …
For revenge is Mine , Lord said …
I don’t see the art work as anti-christian. On the contrary, it’s a critique aimed att our materialistic age. In the west Christianity has been replaced with the worchip of comercialism and the artist addresses that.
The artist paradoxically enough will be laughing his way to the bank in time to be sued by the Ronald McDonalf corporation for violation of copyright
MUCH better we throw stones at the Pernicious Jews than take a good hard look at what we have made of our religion.
MUCH better we scream and shout “Outrage!” and “Mockery!” and “Offence!” than we shiver at that bucket of ice cold water thrown over our oh so delicate psyche.
So much kinder – our mirror of delusions.
Religion is a thing of the mind, the spirit and the soul – it is above insult and shame. It simply cannot be insulted or shamed – as well to insult a mountain or shame an oak tree. Humans, on the other hand, are not such sturdy stuff.
But it can (and has been) commercialised and perverted and I guess we don’t much like the view. So we pretend – afterall – it’s what we do best.
seems like a classic misunderstanding of the message in the art.