by GH Eliason
@TomiLahren’s rant heard round’ the world was the first I’ve ever heard of her. I listened to it a couple of times and a few of her other shows to understand her perspective and motivation. The way she repeatedly ties radical terrorism to Islam and then backs off half a step before letting loose another salvo against Muslims and president Obama is almost artistic.
I live in Donbas and there are currently over 200 ISIL terrorists operating here. Should the US bomb them and everyone that supports them Tomi?
Its Not the Muslims Stupid
From the late 1950’s onward scholars started documenting the movement that became known as radical Islam today. The only problem is, it’s not Islam. It never was. It is western fascist political philosophy that’s been tailored to suite the Middle East. Going into the new millennium new groups used “Muslim, Islam, and Islamic” as a means to self identify within the vastly larger Muslim communities in an effort to draw fire from the West and radicalize populations while trying to establish themselves by putting the communities under fire.
The Terrorists are in fact only as Muslim as Adolf Hitler could be considered a Christian in any context. “As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
If terrorists such as Al Qaeda or ISIL are not Muslim then what are they?
The Millennial Studies project at Boston University is engaged in the study of groups and ideology that pose existential threats and will eventually destroy the modern world. Hence, they named the dangerous time we live in post-modern. It is quite literally the study of an impending apocalypse. The project reports to the government on the real nature of these groups and ideologies to give the government a basis for dealing with them.
“I don’t want to dwell on Islamicist ideology; I don’t know that much about it. Still, we should note that recent Islamicist terrorists quote Evola with facility…One of the features of political Tradition has been the search for a school of the transcendent that could serve as the organizing principle of a new society.
Theoretically, any of the great religious traditions might serve. In practice, though, Traditionalists have usually chosen a radical version of Islam or some kind of neopaganism;… Tradition can be scary, however. Sometimes this knowledge of the inevitable collapse of the modern world inspires nothing more than the formation of groups of adepts who hope to manage the transition when civilization collapses. Sometimes, however, Tradition has sparked the creation of anarchist political groups that hope to accelerate the collapse.” After the Third Age Eschatological Elements of Postwar International Fascism , presented by Professor John Reilly at the Seventh Annual Conference of the Center for Millennial Studies, Boston University, November 2 to 4, 2002
Julius Evola was one of the founders of what became known as the “Tradition” and has adherents infecting all major religions with a fascist/ nationalist construct. According to the fascist Evola (esoteric fascism), immortality is attained by the conscious act that ignores the ramifications of death while plunging headlong into it without a thought. This has nothing to do with the type of religion an adherent is or its afterlife traditions.
This type of thought today isn’t isolated to political Islam, it infects Judaism and Christianity on a world wide scale. It’s not religion, its politics with a religious face. Fascist nationalism seems more pronounced in political Islam today because it is not governments attacking, its groups we identify as terrorist.
In an article titled “Terror, Islam and Democracy,” Ladan and Roya Boroumand state that“Most young Islamist cadres today are the direct intellectual and spiritual heirs of the Qutbist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.” And further, “When the authoritarian regime of President Gamel Abdel Nasser suppressed the Muslim Brothers in 1954 (it would eventually get around to hanging Qutb in 1966), many went into exile in Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Morocco. From there, they spread their revolutionary Islamist ideas – including the organizational and ideological tools borrowed from European totalitarianism.”
The Independent’s John Gray argues in an article entitled “How Marx turned Muslim” that Qutbism is not rooted in the Islamic tradition, but rather, is very much a Western based ideology.
The work of these Phd’s was done to put context around what was happening before, during, and after September 11th and the twin towers attack. Our America has been at war ever since that day, but has it been at war with the those responsible? Iraq wasn’t involved and Afghanistan was going to give Osama bin Laden over to justice.
From a real Muslim perspective Shaykh Rabee’ ibn Hadi al-Madkhali, a renowned Salafi scholar concludes the following about Qutbism: “The Qutbists are the followers of Sayyid Qutb… everything you see of the tribulations, the shedding of blood and the problems in the Islamic world today arise from the methodology (of this man).”
It wasn’t the Muslims that Attacked Us on 9/11
Simon al Zawaheri was a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The Brotherhood with regard to their religious and mystical leanings are Sufi or more specifically, Qutbist; named for those who follow Sayyid Qutb. This philosophy of the Muslim Brotherhood is essentially NeoPlatonic and does not distinguish between matters of belief, so long as people adhere to their movement. This is why the outwardly Shia al Zawaheri and the outwardly Sunni bin Laden could be comrades and brothers.
If you know anything about Islamic history, Shia and Sunni belief are not reconcilable and each are apostate to the other. Because neither al Zawaheri or bin Laden promoted Islam it just didn’t matter that they should be mortal enemies. Both were political operators and not religionists. As long as you agree with the political philosophy or simply get out of the way they don’t have a “religious problem” with you.
The Twin Towers weren’t destroyed by Muslims but by believers in this same fascist political philosophy that is now spread throughout the Mideast thanks to the so called Arab spring or spring of nations. Each country was initially taken over by this same Muslim Brotherhood.
This isn’t isolated cases of small or even just one large terrorist group. Fascist/ nationalist ideology is the across the board reality that defines them. This case study which was done in 2009 just ahead of the Arab Spring explored the possibilities of working and cooperating with the Muslim Brotherhood in spite of their overt harsh fascist/ nationalist agenda. It is a great study because it details how many secular and humanitarian angles terrorists indoctrinate a region or society with.
From the other side of the coin ½ of the Pam Geller- Brigitte Gabriel dynamic duo spoke at a Heritage Foundation panel discussion in June 2014 . The following is excerpted from that.
“ I know that we portray Islam and all Muslims as bad , but there are 1.8 billion [followers] of Islam,” the law student, who identified herself as Saba Ahmed, began. “We have 8 million plus Muslim Americans in this country, and I don’t see them represented here. But my question is: how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this war? The jihadist ideology that you talk about, it’s an ideology. How can you ever win this thing if you don’t address it ideologically?”
Terrorism expert Brigitte Gabriel, the CEO of ACT! for America responded- The peaceful majority were irrelevant. I’m glad you’re here, but where are the others speaking out? As an American citizen, you sat in this room and instead of standing up and [asking] something about our four Americans that died [in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate Muslims.
Ahmed did not seem defensive or angry over Gabriel’s response, kindly responding that “as a peaceful American Muslim,” she would like to think that she is not “irrelevant.”
What we have is even though it is acknowledged that Fascist/ nationalist ideology(which has been identified) is the problem, it is an called issue with Islam. Muslims can’t address this because the thought is as foreign to their normal religion as it is to religious Christianity or Judaism.
How do you explain the same type of Fascist/ nationalist ideology present in Kiev’s “Christian” Ukraine which carries the same type of atrocities at the same levels? Are they secretly Muslim? If not why is ISIL actively helping Ukraine kill and torture Donbas people?
This ideology is as foreign to Islam as it should be to Christianity and yet political operatives trying to claim either religion believe the same totalitarianist thought. To solve this we need to stop looking at the host religion and root out the nationalism that has attached itself before it gets normalized.
What you have in front of you, no matter how shocking to your system are the real facts. This short form look at them just shows you the extent to which the facts are ignored.
ISIL, IGIL, ISIS, WHAT-EVER
Recently the New York Times broke a story that said ISIL was now operating in Ukraine working under Dimiti Yarosh’s Pravy Sektor. The problem with the shock value in this is that the story is over a year old and was reported in the spring of 2014. I wrote one of those stories. When Crimea held their referendum, the leader of the dissident Crimean Tartars recalled 200 ISIL fighters from Syria to join Kiev’s ATO. He did this at a Kiev press conference with the leaders of Ukraine’s government standing beside him.
This isn’t surprising in the least. The Tartar leader’s father was a Nazi SS officer just the same as Reverend Olexandr Torchinov’s father was. This should further drive home the fact that is making your head spin right now. It was never the Muslims, …stupid.
ISIL battalions are torturing and murdering Christian men, women, and children for their friends, the Poroshenko government in Kiev.
The Muslim Response
What should be big news and isn’t even though it has been written about by journalists including myself in Ukraine is that the real Muslims also came. I’ve spoken to handfuls of these volunteers at different times. They are from countries like Chechnya and Afghanistan. They are fighting here for the same reasons. After news of ISIL coming to Ukraine spread through Asia and the Middle east, the Muslim volunteers came.
They are in Donbass to fight “the Terrorists” that hijack their religion, kill their own people, commit atrocity, and now are spreading across the world. The second reason they came is the true religious reason for them. They came to protect innocent lives from these fascist marauders. Muslims are volunteering to protect Orthodox Christian lives. This isn’t just happening here in Donbas. Look at Syria and Iraq.
Who’s fighting the ISIL terrorists? The same Muslim’s the Tomi Lahren wants to bomb. Does the equation get any simpler than this?
Across the world and the centuries Christian and Muslim communities that aren’t forced to be cloistered have protected each other and built strong communities together.
If America is going to finally get serious about stopping terrorists, shouldn’t we investigate people that have a history of giving terrorists group hugs? Should we investigate Congressional members that include funding for terrorists in their spending bills?
John McCain -Never Met a Terrorist He Didn’t Like
John McCain’s history and heroism are under fire today for good reason. In 2011 he met with and gained support for Al Qaeda Libya. “ McCain called on all nations, especially the U.S. , to recognize the National Transitional Council in Benghazi. He said some of the Gadhafi regime’s frozen assets should be redirected to the rebels and the U.S. should facilitate the delivery of weapons to rebel fighters.”
This group became the core group for what would become ISIL. John McCain’s support for terrorists never wavered until it became a hot potato in an election cycle. In Syria, McCain once again openly demanded the US arm the terrorists. As late as January 2015, John McCain was illegally visiting his ISIL friends in Syria.
In Ukraine McCain gives group hugs to Dnepr Battalion which has been cited for torture, murder, and rape of civilians.
Can a US Senator or Citizen McCain consort with, arm, and otherwise group hug known terrorists that are on our own watch lists?
Back to you Tomi Lahren!
Now that we know the real facts . We know Muslims are not threatening, fascist ideologies are. Where does Tomi Lahren go from here?
If its the House and Senate that are responsible for a lot of the terrorist start ups by over stepping their authority, will she apologize to president Obama and take the Republican and Democratic parties to task?
Will Tomi Lahren demand that John McCain gets water-boarded at Guantanamo? If she does, should we listen? During Lahrens rant against President Obama she neglected one thing…the facts, any facts. John McCain is just the tip of the iceberg when the subject turns to both Houses of Congress financial and emotional support for terrorism around the world. They control the budgets. They tie funding into major spending bills. They dare the president to veto them.
Will Tomi Lahren go after the “rich, white, old politicians she addressed at CPAC? I won’t hold my breath waiting.
If you think the US should bomb ISIL, start in Ukraine. The Baptist, Evangelical, Lutheran, Greek Catholic, and Ukrainian Orthodox that make up the fascist/ nationalist government and punisher battalions hold the same beliefs as them. They invited them and support them. Just think of it, US Army trainers working with ISIL that are in Ukrainian uniform.
Better yet, if America really has had enough the PATRIOTIC THING TO DO IS to cut off weapons and funding, and start prosecuting the members of our government that are making millions of dollars supporting them.
Its not the Muslims stupid…
The WTC complex was demolished on the orders of the pindo deep state. I suppose that’s my only criticism of this offering.
I think Israel, zionism and Jews may have had something to do with it too, right?
The buildings had been rigged to blow and went down like a demolition. There are even some photos showing parallel smoke ringing the floors. People working in them were reporting a lot of “construction” going on in the weeks/months before the incident.
There was also another building, not allegedly hit by the planes, which completely demolished too. Some say that was used as the headquarters when planning the operation.
It’s important to recall 911’s planning began under Clinton having resurrected Operation Northwoods, and having gotten away scot-free with its terror war against Serbia (and not to forget the genocidal sanctions on Iraq after the numerous war crimes committed by GHW Bush). The totally cowed populace of the Outlaw Empire did nothing to protest the outrageous Judicial Coup that made W Bush president. But, would Gore have done anything different or not activated Northwoods?
@ Outlaw Historian:
“But, would Gore have done anything different or not activated Northwoods?”
Answer? And this might come as “an inconvenient truth” to some people:
Aah… but then you got Bush vs. horse-face Kerry as well! With yet another questionable vote count/miscounting and possible vote-fraud. It all went uncontested by ‘Mister Ed’ himself as well, just like the previous round…
You gotta love US ‘democracy’: you can vote for Skull&Bones A, or Skull&Bones B…
(…or Oligarch C, Bilderberg D, or CFR E, etc)
It just never ends, does it?
I’ve read a few headlines proposing that Trump – if elected as a US president – would be beneficial to Russia.
If anybody buys that, I have a nice, hardly-ever-used bridge I can hook you up with on the cheap.
“There was also another building, not allegedly hit by the planes, which completely demolished too.”
Building Seven :
Good Link : 0:00 – 3:38 : “BBC video about WTC7 is a hoax”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qdLoobkUI
You speak of WTC Bldg. 7. Assuredly a controlled demolition. As for the twin towers many reputable sources point to the use of israeli mini-nukes as the tools utilized to bring them down. Forget nano-thermites and all of the other bs. Those miraculously discovered passport docs found amid the wreckage should arouse sufficient doubt in the story told by the goverment and the presstitute’s story. Rational persons know it was an inside job to serve the evil purposes of the empire and it’s corporate masters.
bfrakes.., listen to the Saker’s last podcast…he has his views in there that may be more informed than anything you’ve read before ??
very important article on the Syrian Kurds being betrayed ( yes, Kurdistan but not too much and not now)
The first part (bold, and cursive) is worthy of a better translation. To me it seems every word in this short part is important.
I second that. You do great job, however articles like that maybe need a bit more love. Thank you!
I agree on the level that state operatives train fund and arm and basically create these groups for their own ulterior motives. These groups would not achieve much beyond the minimal if not for the large state actors needing proxies to do their bidding in their geo political struggles that dwarf the so called political movements of Islamic actors. The goal in the Mid East is to defeat the other’s allies or simple resist being defeated in the continuing struggle between Asian and Western oligarchs and their use of nationalism to further their ends.
This person doesn’t even know it wasn’t Muslims that carried out 9/11. It was Jews and their associates. If you can’t get this right, what is the value of the rest of what you are saying? On the bottom right of this page I see two sets of links on 9/11. The author should have read that material first.
anon…maybe its you who doesn’t know everything…there were definitely saudis involved in the attacks that day…hijackers is what they were called…
Scapegoats is what they were. You obviously are completely trapped inside the bubble fantasy world the controlled MSM has placed you in. Ludicrous statements you make.
I’ve noticed much of what the author did.The terms used about these groups.And the way they are supposed to think,are Western terms and ideas.They are just grafted on to these groups.They have nothing to do with the Religion of Islam.They are thoughts from another age,and place,and that age and place is 19th and 20th Century Europe.Its much as Zionism hiding their evil behind Judaism.A movement that was never a religious movement.Using a religion for their nationalist ideas and as a base to claim another’s land for themselves.Or with Christians.One of the first proto-fascist parties in Europe was called the Christian Social Party.But that didn’t make them Christian or Socialist.And one of the main European and Latin American right-wing parties is called the Christian Democratic Party.And yet from what I see of their policies.They are far from being Christian or Democratic.Its time people stop following the pro-Zionist media line .The Zionists and their non-Jewish supporters would love to discredit Muslims throughout the World by convining the World’s population that Muslims are Fascists.Fascism has no connection to Islam.Its a Western ideology.And “if” these groups were intent on returning Islam to the past.The last thing they would follow would be a Western ideology.Common sense should show that.Those groups are a far cry from being “Islamic”.They use that label to get disenchanted Muslims to follow them.But they are no more Islamic,than likeminded groups that call themselves “Christians” are real Christians.
Its not the Muslims –Stupid!: article in Counterpunch about Opus Dei
thanks Teranam…and I’ve heard that Opus Dei is the Jesuits.
The words “Jew” “Israel” and “Zionism” do not occur ONCE in this article. Why not? Instead the target of this frothing, hate-filled screed is “tradition” and, implicitly, people who hue to tradition. To talk about the topic of fake “Islamic” terror front groups, one simply cannot leave out the role of Jews, Israel and Zionism. This was a shoddy article that deceives its readers by ignoring the most important part of the phony “Islamist” hoax: Jews, Israel and Zionism.
Yes. But if this is yet another jewish false flag, then it is a poor one.
Forbidding to talk about the actual symbiosis between Islam and Jews, which run beneath the whole history of Islam’s aggressions against Christianity, is the task assigned to corrupt pseudo-historians and spin doctors.
Ezra Pounds’ Ghost…you’re a troll
Now let’s put the capper on “the final solution”. To do this we must go one step further: Who controls these people that are steering the killing-machines? i.e. Who REALLY rules the USA?
Better would be: it is not the Koran; it is not Islam, it is Muslims but that is because you keep bombing them.
There has been many massive US PR cons but blaming the Koran is probably the biggest and most useful. Terrorism has always been driven by 2 things. Firstly anti-imperialism (which nowadays means anti -US). Secondly economics – when economic power changes from one group to another. Religion isn’t a factor. In the 1980s and 1990s everyone knew this. Troubles in Palestine were never religious – they were anti-imperialist and economic. N Ireland was an anti-imperialist war (albeit with the US on the anti-imperialist side). The red brigades were anti-imperialist.
Somehow – remarkably – after Afghanistan and Iraq the press has got all terrorism mixed up with religious extremism. The world now claims it isn’t anti-imperialism + Afghanistan and Iraq, it is the Koran and all those promised virgins that created terrorism. Madness but many many people believe this – and so doing something really really stupid – like bombing Muslims in the Middle East is costless because any terrorist retaliation comes out of the Koran not out of justified anger or revenge.
It has to stop – but the only way I can see it happening is if normal Muslims living in Western countries stop apologising for the terrorists and start to point out the real reasons Muslims are so angry with the US.
Well said, Michael D
That was a great comment, Michael… particularly the final/ concluding thought. Agree completely.
I thank the author for his analysis on fundamentalist Islam. It touches some of the long exisiting themes that have existed in the muslim world for a very long time and were used and manipulated for 150 years now, first by the British colonialist as a way fight the Ottomans, then by the USA by learning from the Brithish and ferment a general war on terror, which is an euphemism of the real and ongoing WWIII we see develop.
As a good starting point, I would recommend:
Two great books by David Livingstone exist, one freely as PDF (and as book), called “Terrorism and the Illuminati”.
and his second one, called “Surrendering Islam”.
Both books are of tremenous historical value and they are helpful in understanding many of the not so well known undelyings of all the current mess in the Islamic world.
For german readers, I would recommend to read “Das schwarze Reich” from E.R.Carmin (pseudonym). I gives a profound background especially about the past 100 years of connections between the Muslim Brotherhood and their pendants in Europe and the USA and it gives much needed background about what happened in the muslim world after WWII in connection with the NAZIs. A second must read are most of the books of “Peter Scholl Latour”, who took much too much of his real knowledge into his grave a year ago, but know possible 10 times as much as he ever wrote about this subject in each and every country of the world, especially the muslim world.
1 minute 21 seconds — and I turned it off.
I don’t want hear any more glitzy ‘news’ zombies reciting US or MSM propaganda and hate narratives in a whiny voice. This is stuff I dropped watching TV 15 years ago for (and saved over $7,000 in doing so — it would likely be more at today’s prices).
BTW, The US marines can sit on a tack in the confessional.
Dear Blue…I didn’t even turn the video on, but the article itself is very explanatory without having to watch that d**n b***h
This is an excellent article.
I was 73 y/o that morning I awoke, turned on my bedside radio & caught the 9-11 “thing” as it began. But even with my inexpert knowledge of world affairs, I knew that the American evil-within was finally going for broke. What snows me now….14 years later, and we know that it “wasn’t the Muslims”, as dubya said, 98% of the US street is still eating canned brain food!
George, thanks again for a major theme that’s being ignored. The ruling class stays in charge by pitting the people against each other on the basis of class, religion, and culture. This excellent article offers a prime and very timely example of the false “us versus them” process engendered when we start blaming all members of a religion for the religious factions that may adhere to that religion. This has to stop.
The real struggle is against concentrated, self-perpetuating wealth and power.
Michael Collins, you are correct, in my opinion. The world is run by a tiny clique of psychopathic parasites. Everywhere, but particularly in the West, the years of buying off the serfs with decent wages, social welfare, affordable housing etc, are OVER! The financialisation of Western economies has raised parasitism to real blood-sucker proportions and mired those economies in debt so huge that implosion is certain. This process has grown and grown since the 1970s, from the time of the Powell Memorandum, the abrogation of Bretton Woods, the ‘Chicago boys’ running amuk in Chile, the rise of Thatcher and Reagan etc.
And while this process of neo-feudalisation certainly went into over-drive with the ‘End of History’ with the collapse of the USSR and the coming over to the Western narrative of China and India, in the late 80s and early 90s, there is one other date that I think bears tremendous significance.
That date was not November 22, 1963, St Cecilia’s Day, but not JFK’s, when the last President to challenge the money-lenders was terminated with extreme prejudice, but 8 June 1967, when Israel attacked the US Liberty and attempted, in true Torah fashion, to exterminate the crew, ‘down to the last suckling rating’. Not just the attack, but the subsequent mobilisation of Jewish power inside the power structures of Mordor-on-the-Potomac, to ensure that the USA impotently capitulated in the face of the murderous slaughter of its own people, that showed just how totally Jewish money power had infested US politics, and how total was their control over the Sabbat Goy slaves. And ever since the Jewish Fifth Column has only grown more and more powerful, with US politicians totally craven in their fealty to Israel, and the US and world economies driven to that ‘Free Market’ neo-liberal capitalist state, where financial parasitism and ruthless extraction are paramount, that situation which Milton Friedman, the ‘greasy eminence’ of the looting of Chile and the ‘monetarist’ ideology , boasted was so good for the Jews.
Not all the Jews, of course. Israel is a radically unequal society, despite the billions raked in by world leading efforts in such ‘cutting-edge’ businesses as trafficking in blood diamonds, pornography, human organs, military and surveillance equipment (thoroughly tested on the human guinea-pigs in the Gaza concentration camp)prostitutes and various drugs, plus the lead role in that traditional Jewish cottage industry, money-lending, seen not just in the Goldman Sachs behemoths, but in the hyper-parasitism of pay-day lending, micro-loans and pawn-shops, and in the growing empire of on-line gambling. Old habits never die, they just morph into new horrors for the unwary. We very well know that the destruction of the states of the Middle East is driven by Israel, in pursuit of the Oded Yinon Plan, we know that Mossad has aided the Kurds for decades, that al-Nusra Front is a close ally of Israel, that Sudan was destroyed by Israel in pursuit of a promise made to do so in 1967, when Sudan joined the war against Israel, that the Palestinians are mired in perpetual imprisonment with more and more Israeli voices calling for their extermination, that Israel is armed to the teeth with nukes and has often threatened to use them, and that every Rightwing psychopath in the Crumbling Yankee Reich must perform prodigies of sycophancy and groveling before the Adelsons, Sabans and AIPACs that control US politics. Plainly a situation that MUST and WILL end very, very, badly for all concerned, as it already has for millions of Afghans, Iraqis, Syrian, Libyans, Sudanese, Lebanese, Somalis, Kashmiris, Gazans and sundry other ‘two-legged animals’, to quote that archetypal Judeofascist, Menachem Begin.
Thank you GH Eliason.
This sums up AQ/ISIL/MB etc. etc. “It is western fascist political philosophy” attached to Islam/Muslims.
Very interesting that Turchinov and the Tartar leader’s parents were fascists/SS – I wonder if Yats fits the bill too…..no wonder they are so comfortable to be in bed with Pravy Sector and all the other fascists in Ukraine.
McCain is a through and through fascist and no war hero. I read a while back how US soldiers were prepared for Vietnam and it was not good reading. He has carried on this mentality. How one individual can get away with being photographed time and time again with these murderers and terrorists and still not be in prison shows how deeply rooted this mentality is in the US and its Government.
When will ordinary people wake up and realise these facts? – it is not Islam/Muslims stupid!
Veritas, McCain was psycho-analyzed by a Spanish psychiatrist while a POW. He found McCain to be a narcissistic psychopath, ie ‘Presidential material’ although not in the Obama or Bill Clinton class. His ‘heroism’ amounted to a dozen or so ‘missions’ to murder Vietnamese peasants, then a spell locked up after said peasants erred in rescuing him from drowning, during which imprisonment he apparently turned stool-pigeon. Instead of being hanged for treason on return, he invented stories of ‘torture’ was given a few more medals and launched on a political career marked by fervent love of mass murder and destruction. A true Amerkan Hero if ever there was one. I mean, how many ‘gooks’ did Donald Trump ever drown in napalm?!
Thank you for your article Mr. Eliason. I found the following excerpt a useful identification:
“One of the features of political Tradition has been the search for a school of the transcendent that could serve as the organizing principle of a new society.
“usually chosen a radical version of Islam or some kind of neopaganism;
“Julius Evola was one of the founders of what became known as the “Tradition” and has adherents infecting all major religions with a fascist/ nationalist construct. According to (esoteric fascism), immortality is attained by plunging headlong into death without a thought. It’s not religion, its politics with a religious face.”
You say that the Millennial Studies project “reports to the government on the real nature of these groups and ideologies to give the government a basis for dealing with them.” So much of the govt has been co-opted/corrupted by the creators of these ideologies and paymasters of the groups that I think it would be more valuable to get the info to people outside govt. It’s the global cabal of international bankers and controllers of the largest TNCs who are behind the attack on human civilization and they have bought enough of Congress– and certainly the President pre-election– to implement this.
9/11 was an inside job w some Israeli help & any Muslims involved were simply useful idiots.
I haven’t previously heard of Evola and the political Tradition. I’ll take a look. Thanks.
ALL religions are political. To deny this is to deny the evidence of history.
The moment you present a challenge to the established order, your religion either becomes political, or disappears from the scene. Thus, all the major religions of today exist because they took the political road as a means to their survival.
If elements within a particular religion become radicalized (whether from outside or internal influence) it is simply because the ground for that radicalization already exists within the religion itself.
Note, I am addressing the cultural, not the gnostic element within religion. Most people are born into a religion and remain within it, especially if withdrawing has severe consequences, as in many Islamic States. If that existing cultural ground becomes corrupt, or is unable to adapt to changing circumstances, then the seeds of radicalization are sown. I would argue that Radical Islam is nothing more than the failure of Cultural Islam in meeting the challenges of the modern world. A retreat to conservatism is the obvious outcome, and the failure of that response leads naturally to radicalism.
1.There were no Moslems aboard those 09/11 planes.
Please take a look at the first passenger reported killed inflight – seated in 9b on Flight 11 ;
– A millionaire CEO seated in economy.
– A computer genius with govt security agency software contracts
– A Sayaret Matkal = IDF Special forces trained assassin and hijack rescue expert
His friends said of him that he could kill anyone with a pen, credit card or bare hands
– Fluent in English, Arabic and Hebrew, he would have understood alleged Saudis seated behind him plotting to kill him
– A big strong man >6′ tall, killed by a 5’6-7 slightly built Saudi with a plastic box cutter.
If you want to know what happened to the flights and all aboard except some ‘handlers’ like the one in seat 9b :
Recent (2014-5) Radio interviews of REBEKAH ROTH, recent author of a cute novel ‘METHODICAL ILLUSION’ are worth listening too (many on Youtube, her website, archived radio listening)
She is a retired Flight attendant of some 30 years who set out to write a novel about flying life. Stumbled on the fact that the named hijackers are still alive and Saudi Govt had sued US for their identity theft. All had reported passports stolen in US; one was dead by 09/11; the others were in Saudi during the event.
That led her to ask the questions every airline professional had been forbidden to ask :
– Why were the cast in stone hijack protocols not followed?
– How were those heart wrenching phone calls made by passengers and crew possible … some as long as 27minutes; said to be made from cell phones then changed to plane phones.
Impossible to make cell phone calls at altitude and speed to this day; the planes in question did not have plane phones – and 27min calls by multiple people without sound of engines & other passengers (both would be screaming at the rate of descent & speed the planes made to hit the towers)
She walks through every step and word said and recorded in depth and detail – looking with the eyes of an airline professional.
There were no Moslems on those planes, but there were handlers and the passengers and crew were killed in cold blood.
2. No Moslem group could have done the Pentagon “Behind the Smoke Curtain” pre-rigged explosions
Barbara Honniger is another meticulous researcher who has pieced it together in absolute detail. A plane of sorts certainly did hit the Pentagon, but the strategic location kill zones were pre-rigged, like the Towers :
Her 3hr presentation is worth the time for those who want to know :
3. No Moslem group had the technology, access or kind of materials and expertise to “dustify” the 3,5 buildings of the WTC
Another remarkable American woman – Dr Judy Woods is well worth the time to find on youtube and listen to.
What part did Atta etc play? Who knows – Mohammed Atta was a United Airlines special frequent flyer VIP. How many Mohammed Attas and Bin Ladens were there … and what is the hold that US-Israel have over Saudi to keep taking the blame (although every other Islamic nation has paid the price for 09/11 .. not Saudi).
The amount of US flags behind this peroxided, blond bombshell [sponsored by ‘You Provide The Cloth, We The
Ho>Holes’] is very pre-war Germany.
The only thing missing is a passionate US Reich Chancellor telling us why those Muslims have to be eradicated.
Does this sock puppet also open her mouth to protest, when, say, Palestinian/Yemeni/Afghan or Libyan kids are bombed to smithereens by ‘our’ bombs?
The true Sabbat Goy displays their fealty most clearly in their total indifference to the murders of ‘two-legged animal’ children. 500 in Gaza or 500,000 in Iraq, their lives DO NOT MATTER. Until you can not just utter your total indifference to unpersons being exterminated, in practise for the great culling to come, but make such murderous, genocidal, contempt part and parcel of the cancer that once was your soul, you’ll never rise far in Western politics and power at this terminal juncture in the brief reign of Homo psychopathicus.
@ Mulga Mumblebrain
Q; Homo psychopathicus.
R; First lol this morning. Great start of the day. Ty!
The Outlaw Empire’s sponsorship of terrorism is well documented, even if suppressed. Indeed, since Plymouth and Jamestown the slaughter of indigenous people has driven the rise of its Exceptional form of Fascism. The paraphrase, “The business of Americans is business,” neatly hides while describing the nature of Exceptional Fascism, which is why European fascism garnered the great level of support it got from US-based business magnates. Not to mention the attempted fascist coup against FDR in 1934 that went 100% unprosecuted–please ask yourself why.
Global Terrorism Inc. is a project of the Outlaw Empire and always has, starting in earnest under FDR toward WW2’s end. It can be argued the Treaty of Torsedillas started it all as the exploitation of the “New World” demanded cooperation between government and wealthy private parties thus forming a nascent fascism. Certainly, Colonialism/Colonization is terroristic/fascistic. So, I would argue such ideology is foundational to “Western” political thought and actions taken.
Outlaw, why start with Torsedillas? The whole Western pathopsychology of total superiority over and supremacism in regard to non-Westerners, and the genocidal drive to obliterate them, goes back to the Torah/Old Testament, and Yahweh’s repeated insistence that the ‘others’ who ‘got in the way’ of the Israelites be exterminated entirely, down to the last suckling babe, and their animals and crops, too. As that Zionazi patagon Jabotinsky said, ‘We’ll kill anybody who gets in our way, the unofficial State Credo of Israel. A tactic that was utilised by the European settlers in North America, and the Spaniards in Hispaniola. After all, the call, the repeated, insistent call by the psychopathic Judaic ego-projection in the sky, for extermination, is the oldest extant such a glorification and sanctification of genocide known. Others no doubt existed, even older, but they have been lost to us as their peoples disappeared into history. Perhaps all the Canaanites acted like this, but only the Israelite doctrines have survived. The bitter, tragically ironic, truth, is that for many Judaic extremists today, these injunctions are alive and fulminating, despite the horrific application of such evil doctrines to their own people only 70 years ago. Or, perhaps, it’s not ‘despite’ that disaster, but because of it, and the Palestinians, Syrian, Libyans, Iraqis etc are all sacrificial victims of the altar of Vengeance.
Mulga–I have a very negative assessment of the Abrahamic religions, but because of the nature of this site have decided to keep religion out of my comments as best as I can. Thus, my comment deals with the secular nature of the rise of modern fascism. But it is very interesting that the ideology didn’t first arise in China or India where business and the state/empire were conducted very closely. One could argue that Indian elites were happy to become compradores of the British whereas the Chinese fought the Imperialists as best as they could at the time.
Outlaw, according to Sima Qian the Qin were pretty ruthlessly bloodthirsty, killing all POWs after defeating other states while unifying China. And there were numerous hideous massacres during the various invasions of China and India. I only mention the Judaic lust for genocide because it has, historically, infected certain strains of Christianity, particularly in the USA, and lives on today in Israeli and US aggression, so often genocidal. I mean, what can any moral agent say of the Jewish US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright saying simply enough that the murder of 500,000 Iraqi children under the evil sanctions regimes, was a price that was ‘worth it’. This female monster is a revered figure in the USA. Religion is central to ‘Western Civilization’ and the ‘Clash of Civilizations’, and must be understood, before it drowns us all in blood.
I agree 100% that religion must be understood for many good reasons, and on that note I had excellent teachers. IMO, the closest thing to a God is DNA; thus, the Godhead resides in all creatures. But I also realize that to survive within the Natural Order, one must kill to eat–plants bearing no difference from animals–and that in the end we are all eaten.
Nothing more then some young twat spewing regenerated twaddle we have listened to over the years . She needs to spend the next few years hunkered down and checking out what others have been saying for a long time now ,in order to understand that pointing that one finger at the Muslims leaves her with 3 fingers pointing back at her .
I feel sorry for the young like her that have become drunk on western kool-aid crap . Soon ,I am hoping that she and her elk will see and experience first hand that nobody was a threat to the US except the people running the show ,and they are not Muslim or any other group other then evil people doing evil things to innocent peoples .
Hi, OT(actually not) but a few days ago some asked if I have such material in Russian. Unfortunately on German subtitles, no option to have English ones:
Jurij Kofner: Im Schmelztiegel der Einwanderung wird europäische Identität ausgelöscht
(В тигле переселения европейское тождество погашается)
(In the pot of the immigration European identity is extinguished)
Vier Arten der US-Okkupation in Deutschland und Europa
(4 вида американской оккупации в Германии и Европе)
(Four kinds of the US occupation in Germany and Europe)
I know quite some Muslims (several Millions live in Germany, France, GB), and I know some in Bosnia and western China.
Very honest humble trustworthy people.
Of course there are always also bad criminals: In _every_ country, but it has nothing to do with religion or race.
Much more so with living conditions!
Thank you GH Eliason ,
very well written article that says it all!
Should be spread all over the world via all TV channels and “news”papers.
And let’s be honest: The worst terrorist beside the “christian” US is … guess which country-rael??
the sad thing , it is always ordinary people / ordinary muslims that will took the brunt of hate from delusional people overtaken by the incessant anti-islam propaganda..
it is similar to the pre WW2 germany , where for the action of few jewish bankers , the whole german jewish people (and european jews) get blamed and slaughtered by mindless people..
the formula is so similar it is scary…
Pick a group -> initiate violent act based on the group’s name -> blame the whole group -> exterminate the group with FULL public support…
insert your blacksheep into the formula above… Muslims, Christians, Chinese, Syrian (but never israeli goverment, since today it is forbidden to include israeli goverment into the formula above)
Saker, I’m just part way through it, but it fits in with your most recent podcast about the origins of Fundamentalist Islam…I feel kind of sorry for the normal Islam, like what you said on your podcast, because its really not Islam in the slightest and the Muslims are always their first victims.
“If you know anything about Islamic history, Shia and Sunni belief are not reconcilable and each are apostate to the other”
VERY INCORRECT, this statement is a wishful thinking of the Western vulgar propaganda. One has to know the very basic history of the Sunni and Shia divide so that uninformed readers are not mislead, which in turn would disseminate false information.
In few words: The historic background of the Sunni–Shia split lies in the schism that occurred when the Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, died in the year 632, leading to a dispute over succession to him as a caliph (successor and head of state) of the Islamic community. Nothing to do with religion, creed, doctrine or anything spiritual, Sunni and Shia share the same beliefs and absolutely follow the same fundamentals of Islam, they both go to the same pilgrimage to Mecca at the same time of each year.
Today’s issues between the Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran are purely political just as it was over 1400 years ago, Iranians and other Shia still go freely to Mecca which is under the custody of the Sunni’s . With today’s geopolitical issues between Iran and Saudi Arabia and other petro-Sheikhdom, I, as Muslim Sunni I am one hundred percent supporting Iran over the House of Saud and their Zionist masters and nothing, absolutely nothing will change my position as long as Iran keep standing up to the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
In the interests of full disclosure I am a Sunni Muslim.
I also support a Shia Iran over the House of Saud as long as Iran maintains its stance regarding International Zionism. I hope that after this P5+1 agreement that Iran still maintains her integrity (but I am becoming doubtful due to this agreement…only time will tell).
Take another look. On just 3 of many different points, the differences are stark. In practical Shia a person may follow the rulings of a particular Ayatollah or leader and be correct. This lead to the building of shrines to these saints. Shia shrines and holidays celebrate what in Christian terms would be saints( Catholicism). Sunni practice calls this idolatry. The only person in Sunni Islam that can be venerated is Muhammed. Just this one practice marks worlds of difference between them the same way it does Catholicism and Protestant Christianity.
A second very large point is how religious law is developed. In Shia culture, it is determined by an Ayatollah that is a descendant of Muhammed. He can make a pronouncement on his own. In Sunni culture, the law is determined by the consensus of a court which makes changes very slow.
This in turn cascades into opposing views based on the progress of law through the consensus process. Even if there is agreement in principle, the law can read very different. Both in theory and practice Shia and Sunni Islam are not necessary opposed toward outcomes but remain heretical in practice to each other.
@ George Eliason,
Very true what you stated about the shrines and Shi’a Saints and the celebration of holidays at the shrines, apparently some Shi’a practice seeking intercession from saints in particular from the Prophet, pbuh, son-in-law Sayidina Ali (RA) and his son Hussain, obviously the Sunni Muslims considered this polytheism. However within the Sunni community the practice of seeking intercession through Sufi saints is widespread, from North Africa to Central Asia, I, like the majority of the Muslims consider this practice as misguidance and even polytheism. We venerate and respect the Saints for what they were and for the good deeds they have done, but worshiping them and asking them to be our intermediaries between us and our Creator is pointless since we can address God directly. This said, Misguidance is not the same as Apostasy which primarily means renouncement, and neither the Shi’a nor the Sunni renounced their religion.
As for Seyed Qutb, I would encourage you to read some of his books in particular “The Islamic Concept and Its Characteristics” and “Social Justice in Islam”, you will discover that he’s far from the picture depicted by the followers of Nasserism and by some Muslims scholars who are on the Petro-Sheikhs payroll. Seyed Qutb major sin was to be an anti-corruption in every sense of this word and an anti-imperialist pious Muslim, but please do find out by yourself.
As an added note, in comparison to Seyed Qutb, I have heard so many negative and horrible things about one the greatest mind of today’s Russia, Alexander Dugin, who according to his detractors, he is a fanatic who calls to hasten the “end of times” with an all-out war. How about that? Defending his country’s interests, his religion, his culture against the immoral Empire of Chaos and Corruption means he’s a fanatic who wants to end the word and pronto.
Interesting article, however, giving a fresh “new face” to CIA operations, just provides cover for those responsible. But the article is correct in pointing out “it’s not the muslims, STUPID”
Since a Muslim who practices even basic Islamic teaching – would naturally support fellow Muslims uprooted by the western colonialists and Zionists. Such Muslims are portrayed by the western leaders and Jewish-controlled mainstream media as the Jews and Communists in the past.
The so-called “Islamist terrorist groups”, such as, Al-Qaeda, ISIL/ISIS, al-Shabaab, al-Nura, etc. were all created by the US to demonize Muslims and facilitate Western “humanitarian wars” against those Muslim nations which were considered possible threat to Israel.
On July 24, 2015, the US National Archives released the final batch of nearly 350 classified photographs taken by former vice-president Dick Cheney’s staff photographer inside the White House Operations Center, on September 11, 2001. The photos show George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Gen Colin Powell and national security advisers having discussions inside the deep underground bunker while the New York World Trade Center(WTC) and Pentagon were hit by mini nuclear missiles.
The photographs were released on the request of Colette Neirouz Hanna, coordinating producer for the Kirk Documentary Group, which makes films for the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) Frontline under Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA).
“From the first moment after the attacks on the WTC, vice-president Cheney has been at the center of much of government’s response. We knew he had a photographer assigned to take pictures of almost everything he did and have been trying to obtain those pictures – from inside the secret bunker under the White House to the ‘undisclosed secure locations’ where he spend the weeks after September 11, 2001. Now, 14 years later we finally have those photographs and American people can see for themselves what took place in those first 24 hours,” says Hanna.
Frankly, from where I sit, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and few other variations, are all in pretty much the same religion: same basic texts and origins, same god(s), same basic philosophy and cosmological and world views, same theological orientation and fundamental doctrines.
The problems is politics and power struggles such as that even within a single cult in an isolated area in the middle of a wilderness, or a local garden club: people mostly don’t know how to get along with or respect each other and get carried away by the sociopaths and troublemakers.
The gods, elves and the flying saucer people think humans are pitiful but hilarious to watch, like humans like to watch squabbling monkeys at the zoo.
Or like parents are driven to distraction by little kids. “Mommeeey.. he’s looking at me! Make him stop or I’ll hit him.” “But she started it; she touched my blanket!”.
“Both of you stop it right now or I’m going to stop the car.”
Sadly, when the kids ‘grow up’ and bicker they may end up with not having the car stopped, but the world. What they need is a timeout.
“Frankly, from where I sit, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and few other variations, are all in pretty much the same religion: same basic texts and origins, same god(s), same basic philosophy and cosmological and world views, same theological orientation and fundamental doctrines.”
That’s because they are. At their core; they are what I call: the Abrahamic Troika of Doom! It’s only in the New Testament [the gospels] where you can notice a more humanistic and benevolent approach in the message. If you see the figure of Jesus more as a philosopher than, the rather hyperbolic; son of “god,” then his message makes a lot more sense. As an atheist; I have no problems in adding him and others like, Buddha, to the pantheon of distinguished philosophers in human history. And you know what? Maybe some day we will do that, but even in today’s ’modern’ world, a good portion of people are not ready (or are unwilling) to give up their fairy tales and bed time stories.
Tomi Lahren’s rant is deplorable– as is the violence –but I think there may be more to learn from Evola than your remarks suggest. This article by Heidegger scholar Tom Sheehan offers some helpful insights from a critical point of view.
part 2 at http://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/1981-MYTH-VIOLENCE-Part-II.pdf
link at http://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/people/tom-sheehan/publications/
From the time of Muhammed in the 7th century, Islam has been a violent expansionist theology. It has converted millions of people across the world, only, and only by the sword. To suggest that true Islam is peaceful is to be either a liar or a fool.
Which do think I am a liar or a fool?
Would any of us be able to think that Islam is no more violent than any other religion without being subject to ad hominem, or do you wish to simply preclude any other points of view by such preemptive condemnation?
Do you think the Christian Crusades or the Biblical genocides perpetrated by the Jews don’t count? Do you think the prohibitions of violence in the Quran should be ignored, or the political forces involved in the expansion of the other religions should be ignored?
Or perhaps you would prefer to just drop a sweeping statement without any theological or historic validity and move on, in true troll-like fashion?
I don’t know — and frankly I don’t even care and prefer you to just go away and not make any more such noise. Try dropping that sort of line at one of the main stream imperialist propaganda outlets where someone might give a fig about it.
If its true what you say that since the prophet islam was spread by sword, let me remind there are and have been muslims and jews who lived side by side with muslims..if it was by the sword then dont you think they would have started with those non muslims in the middle east? it would have been easy to convert them since they were minority?
Removed. No attacking other commenters.
Saker, on similar subjects, your first question might well be “What does George think?”