By Thorsten J. Pattberg for the Saker Blog
HONG KONG – British and American media in China for as long as we scribblers remember have empowered Chinese saboteurs and secessionists just so as to annoy Beijing. Without fail, if there ever was some corrupt princeling (local Chongqing tyrant Bo Xilai), a fugitive from the tax law (mafioso Miles Guo), or just another crackpot religious charlatan (Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi), you could draw your own square Tiananmen with a Tank-man on top there was going to be endless China-bashing.
None of those famous trouble-makers, however, is more idoneous and adaptable to the Western master narrative about the eternal battle between Good and Evil (God’s chosen people versus the godless Chinese) than “Joshua” Wong – the eternal Jewish instigator.
Forget for a moment about his Holiness the Dalai Lama, nude artist Ai Weiwei, blind lawyer Chen Guangcheng or activist Liu Xiaobo, and welcome China’s most powerful spiritual leader (second only to the Republic’s true leader and president, Xi Jinping, of course): the Hong Kong teenage-hero “Joshua” Wong Chi-fung.
Metaphysics of Western Foreign Interventionism
This Carry-on-England savior, named after the key character of Jewish persecution in King James’ translation of The Old Testament, who, according to The British Sunday Times, started his anti-China activism during Middle School at the age of thirteen, is not an ethnic Jew (which is a racist construct), but a Neocolonial Christian nationalist and Cantonese identitarian. He insists, perhaps honing the influence of his devout believer mother “Grace,” that the Wong people – the people of Hong Kong – are systematically oppressed not by Ramses and the ancient Egyptians but by Xi Jinping and the 21st Century Hans. “Joshua” wants his special fellow students to rise up against China and to lead the Wongs out of Zhongguo and into God’s holy safe space – Birmingham in England.
Imagine the bombastic hurrah at our Foreign Correspondents Club in Hong Kong, the Jewish-run Western media complex, the Christian lobby and ultra-liberal Hollywood upon hearing that such an insanely unlikely Asiatic shepard exists. They had to make him the greatest Chinese philosopher that ever walked the planes since Saint Confucius and Catholic Bruce Lee (though the latter was not a Christian, he must have been, according to the Christian Post).
If this sounds like Hollywood claptrap and eerie dream fabric, that’s because “Joshua” was carefully staged that way:
“…the 18-year-old Wong doesn’t look like Hollywood’s idea of a charismatic rebel leader. But…” (Fortune Magazine).
…BUT he doesn’t have too, as an early opinion piece by Alex Lo in the South China Morning Post explains. It’s like trying to demonstrate that the 14th Dalai Lama is not a reincarnated Bodhisattva: We cannot prove a negative. We cannot possibly show that Joshua Wong is not a global leader – after Hollywood and Fortune magazine made him out to be one – ‘No 10’ in the world, to be precise, only four slots behind Taylor Swift, the #blessed and #flawless singer of ‘Call Me Maybe’.
And there it sailed, the propaganda ship of folly. But first, don’t get me wrong on this: It’s all gold for Chinese “Joshua.” Other Hong Kong teenagers worked and volunteered equally hard, but “Joshua” – back than he was just 16 – was perfect for the Western narrative and thus chosen by the globalist Anglo-Zionist media cartel to personify the ‘Umbrella Movement’ – yes, we are talking about as in: …for the Western history books. China bullies Christians in Hong Kong!
Virtuous Campaign for Wong Justice
To most China experts with a gun-boat mentality, the sheer audacity of Western planners to pitch Israeli spy “Joshua” against the Chinese civilization was genius. In Europe, questioning the global Jewish cause is instant career seppuku – worse than hell, the C-plague and Trump-voters combined. Countries smaller than China have been terminated because of it. How on earth could Beijing ever wiggle itself out of these horrible Western accusations of religious persecution of… well…”Joshua” himself?
Pro-Joshua Berlin immediately invited Mr. Wong over and had him address 80 million Germans via its tax-payer-funded 8.4-billion-euros state-TV. Pro-Joshua London offered social housing to half of China willing to relocate to Milton Keynes. Meanwhile, pro-Joshua Washington dispatched aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and a 20th Century Fox Christian Bale blockbuster movie to Devil’s Peak.
Mr. Wong thus earned his first multi-million dollar campaign co-sponsored by pro-Joshua media Reuters, AP, dpa, New York Times, LA Times, CNN, BBC, Guardian, Spiegel, Economist and hundreds more. The viral factor was absurd, comical even, because Hong Kong students themselves didn’t know at first they were marching for “Joshua.” Fortune magazine framed the protesters’ gullible street performances as backdrop to this rising star’s fame:
“His nonviolent protest message and energetic idealism galvanized crowds that, over months, numbered in the hundreds of thousands.”
How many “hundreds of thousands” – six hundred thousands maybe? (That’s the actual number given in the Old Testament.) All the media hyperbole made the young man with glasses and asymmetric face appear to be the spiritual leader of an oppressed Hong Kong people, but was he really? Well, he clearly wasn’t, says Alex Lo. “Joshua” was not elected but selected by the Western interest groups – as in: China must never be allowed to do politics on its own terms.
Most self-respected university students in Hong Kong who participated in the protests, if they believed in freedom and self-determination, would probably resent the idea of being put into (((the brackets))) of some superimposed, manufactured Western master narrative and personality cult. But that’s all irrelevant now, because the Western media wanted Joshua Wong to be the leader of that movement, and that is what it is.
Back in 2014, “Joshua” was barely among the 50 Greatest Leaders (Fortune). By 2017, he was personifying geopolitics: “Joshua vs Superpower” (Netflix). By early 2020, German Die Welt described Mr. Wong’s cursory vision is near transcendental: “Joshua: China is Threat to World Freedom.”
So here we were at movie plaza and watching that 20h Century Fox Christian Bale blockbuster ‘Exodus: Gods and Kings’. US director Ridley Scott and his writers decided to have the Lord speak through the body of “a Boy-angel” who orders Bale (Moses) to lead God’s favorite people out of Ancient Authoritarianism. Boy-angel, Israeli Joshua, God’s puppet whatever. The scriptural “Joshua,” which Wong Chi-fung goes by in Western media (they don’t care about his Chinese name, it is “Yellow”), has his own chapter in the Hebrew Bible – ‘The Book of Joshua’. The titular hero leads the slaves into crossing the Jordan by dividing the South China sea, basically. Anyway, that was my reading of it. As the HK-British flagship media SCMP notes: “To make a film of the Israelites’ exodus from Egypt is brave.” Yeah.
“How Joshua Wong’s faith motivates his activism” celebrated ABC News. “The Christian Spirit flows through Hong Kong protests” mused The Liberty. “Hong Kong’s Religious Revolutionaries” blasted Foreign Policy. “Joshua Wong: We long to see Hong Kong free from tyranny,” hailed the Economist.
Sacred, religious narratives are problematic for social science. Nothing good comes of them. Except of course, if they help to debilitate and collapse your enemy. US and European diplomats in Beijing and Shanghai, their intelligence services and Foreign Correspondents Clubs in cahoots, love to explore all ways of delegitimizing China’s government, including accusations of religious persecution in Shanghai (Christians), Tibet (Buddhists) and Xinjiang (Muslims).
These Western conspiracies are nonsensical. China is a pluralistic, multilingual and multi-ethnic civilization that has all kinds of beliefs, including magicians, healers and pagans. It is more diverse than any other Western nation. There are over 52 thriving minorities. China has more foreign students, including Africans, than Europe and North America. It certainly has more Muslims than France, Germany, the UK and the USA combined. It has millions of Taoists and Confucianists, a multitude of Buddhist fractions and Orthodox and Protestants and Catholics and everything. It is a difficult task to keep the harmony between them – tian ren he hi: all under Heaven. The British Empire, which collapsed, and the US Empire, which is waning, would love to stir hatred, spread misinformation and fake news. China can respect that. But it will never let foreign powers divide it.
Your author recalls fondly our desperate liberal media’s attempt – such as the Wall Street Journal, CNN, Atlantic, South China Morning Post, Independent and a thousand more -, between 2005 and 2019, to elevate a cult leader in Chengdu, a certain Pater Wang Yi, of the evangelist Church of Early Rain, to the status of a Sinitic super-saint. The man was conscripted by the US state department and rushed to the White House where he met then-president George W. Bush in 2006. Pater Wang was all over the global news, yet left no lasting impression on the general American public. Years later, in early 2020, Pater Wang was shipped to Vatican City in order to meet Pope Francis. However, those CIA expert idiots couldn’t tell the difference between the Holy Roman Catholic Church and hard-core Protestantism, so naturally it was a bit awkward for everyone. The Messenger of God Francis instead sent an archbishop to greet the Messenger of God Wang, and that was that. Just for your reference, the Early Rain cult – despite its millions of dollars worth of US media press coverage, at no point had more than 600 members. Worse, Western social media users, especially young people, could not identify with this Chengdu toad. Jehova-style proselytism is not cool. Cult leaders are not cool. The Pater Wang act collapsed.
That said, even the most militant Western press soldiers could not have anticipated that one day they would be able to play “the Jewish card” against Beijing and call its leadership antisemitic. And thus we have barely survived the Trump-era (roughly the reign of US president Trump from 2016 to 2021) of associating Han Chinese with neo-Nazis (the have a Nation, they have Sozialismus) – for prosecuting “Joshua” and the Hong Kong Wongs, the Uighur Tohtis and the Tibetan monks, and all religious people under Heaven.
Now the world was hooked of course. Holocaust in China everywhere! “Genocide” and “concentration camps” and “exodus” made the global China-headlines.
So there you have it. The news of the coming of a new leader, or Chinese Boy-angel, or God’s messenger – known to Christians as the ‘Holy Trinity’ – quickly consumed our Abrahamic sense of mission to subdue Asiatic people – only the 1.4 billion mainland evil ones, not the 8 million colonial good ones -, and trickled down to second and third tier media organizations and Youtube channels. No investigation, no fact-checking. Just mindless repetition: China is really really bad.
Mass Brainfuggery and Fremdbestimmung [foreign rule]
It is now six years of “Joshua arrested,” “Joshua on bail,” “Joshua protested,” “Joshua in court again.” He barely talks sensible. His parents checked his boxes for “dyslexic” – a middle-class exculpation for being partially illiterate. He is the ultimate message board – plane as a pan. There are more Western TV stations, microphones and cameras following him than actual people. Most of his appearances are clearly montages, edited for mass (social) media consumption. He also came to adapt the lifestyle of a true übermega-celebrity – alleged private jets, five star hotels, meeting pop singer Pakho Chau Pak-ho. His finances are taboo. He may be totally dependent on foreign services. He certainly is by far the greatest asset the CIA, MI6 and BND ever had.
Yes, there are back-up dissidents, just in case: One is the female Hong Kong activist, Agnes “the real Mulan” Chow (22). She is pretty and touted as the savior of oppressed Chinese women. Another is Nathan “the Law” Luo (27) – get it? his surname sounds like Law! The West primed him for future HK politics. But, really, both real Mulan and Mr. Law can’t hold a candle to holy “Joshua.”
This drama of re-enacting the ‘Exodus’ of our ideological enemies over and over again is, I claim, brought to near perfection in the West. We call it “creativity” [a divine inspiration] and often blame the Chinese for their lack of it. To be sure, this creativity is seen by our enemies as a demonic superpower; it makes the West unpredictable to foreign governments (are they really that sadistic?); yet the unpredictability obviously has a system: The messianic creed with its biblical superpowers creates world history. Let us briefly digress:
The power of world history often surprises even our own children. They looked at Leonardo Da Vinci’s alleged master painting ‘Mona Lisa’ and asked: “Is it good? Why him?”, or Vincent Van Gogh’s ‘Sunflowers’ and went: “Really? I could have painted that!” Remember reading about Christopher Columbus’s discovery of America? That America is real. However, it was only called this way decades later and Columbus didn’t discover it, but, you know, he existed tangibly and close enough in that area (the Bahamas) in 1492 and he was Christian and European. Bam! Ownership claimed. So that counts as world history.
From Jesus “I-am-the-king-of-Jews-and-son-of-God” Christ to modern saviors like Barack Obama, Steve Jobs or Greta Thunberg: It’s all irresponsible make-belief, designed to disrupt the lives of as many humans as possible. To our enemies, our creations can be terrifying. And so is “Joshua” to Beijing.
Hong Kong was nominated a new historic figure, superimposed by Western description. The real leaders in the city state look like insignificant cunts. China’s own [attempts to create] history looks like alternative history, unauthorized history, fake history. “Joshua” wasn’t elected but selected – and certainly not by his own people. He is shamelessly exploited by a Western biblical narrative and sense of mission to civilize China. And if China doesn’t comply, according to The Book of Exodus, the country will be exposed to the Wrath of God in form of the ten plagues: economic sanctions, political assassinations, secessionist movements, a new nationalist party, pseudo-religious fundamentalism, identity politics, diversity task forces, cancel culture, and probably #BLM (Black Lives Matter) mindless terror. Good times for Western satanists: The New York Times in autumn of 2020 suggested Beijing was accusing “Joshua” of worshiping the Devil. I’m not inventing this, here are the headlines: “Chinese Propaganda Video Warns of West’s ‘Devilish Claws’.
Siege to China’s Jerusalem
Titled our all-favorite anti-China propaganda press UK Guardian: “Joshua Wong, the Student who Risked the Wrath of Beijing” and, in the opening paragraph, this: “Cometh the hour, cometh the boy,” an idiom attributed to three prophets of your choice: Moses, Shakespeare or Winston Churchill. That’s the Guardian for you. It’s a mental institution.
I’m almost done with chronicling this prophetic lunacy and suspect where the West is going with it – regime change or worse. Regardless of what we are told in the liberal press, China must promote law and order and reason and science; still: the epic sway of Western interventionism terrifies me: “Joshua” is leading his fine people away from the former British hub for human trafficking and money laundry and into the promised land – America? Canada? Germany? The United Kingdom?” How to do it? Have you asked your own citizen? Of course not. Australia wants 100,000 HK refugees, it says. The rich ones. The UK Johnson regime doubled down on its pledge to welcome 3,000,000 or so “new English” to enter Albion and settle… I don’t know… in Brighton on the cliff by the sea?
“Joshua” is 22 now. Since he is dyslexic and has no job, he wants to become a democrat. A local Hong Kong district court sentenced him to a short-term prison sentence over sedition, which he, after consulting with Western Powers Inc., now eagerly anticipates. He was told his was world history in the making. And he better believe it.
The author is a German writer, cultural critic and political commentator on Sino-Western relations. He has published ‘The East-West Dichotomy’, ‘Inside Peking University’, and ‘Shengren – Above Philosophy and Beyond Religion’. He can be reached at thorstenjpattberg.weebly.com
This photograph of four American-owned stooges posing together at once is priceless:
Joshua Wong posed with the “White Helmets” head Raed Al Saleh (L), Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko (R) and Iranian-Austrian political activist Mina Ahadi. © Reuters / Hannibal Hanschke
Firstly. I have nothing against the Chinese Government. They have never put Me in prison. The was my local Police Outpost that did that. What’s to say about Joshua Wong? Two Wongs don’t make a Wight. Just saying.
Well, this updates character assassination to 21st century tropes, memes and metaphors. I don’t really care about this particular person, but I’d like to have a better analysis of the politics of the Hong Kong protest movement besides the usual love fest for the CCP which is often the case here.
If here isn’t your cup of tea, move on.
No sighs, please.
The man wrote what he wanted to write.
Offer him a stipend and maybe he’ll write what you want to read.
We have no locked doors here. Feel free as a bird and fly away.
I do care about this particular person, because that is the topic of this particular piece. If you want something else, read something else. Furthermore, amid a torrent of CPC and China bashing in virtually every MSM outlet you can think of, this is a welcome different take. Of course, you can then wait for the Joe Average to come in and call it a love fest for the CPC, because it is not hypercritical of China and its leadership.
You seem to be in the wong forum.
Is it No Disagreement Forum? It certainly needs a sub-editor, even if dissent is banned.
teranam13, there is no protest culture. There are just paid for protests. This current round of violent riots started with a guy from Hong Kong killing his pregnant girlfriend in Taiwan, stuffing her into a suitcase, and then disposing of her body. He then went back to Hong Kong and bragged about it openly. As Hong Kong did not have extensive extradition laws, he could not be extradited to Taiwan to be charged with this crime.
So, Hong Kong started creating extradition laws with most other countries. including mainland China. The western NED (and this is documented and is not nonsense) started shouting that mainland China will now extradite every Hong Konger that ever made a negative comment about mainland China – the fact of a full set of extradition laws with many countries was completely and conveniently forgotten and the MSM was seeded with this narrative and NED paid well. Well, this was not the way the law was written, but nevertheless, Joshua Wong and his cohorts were paid handsomely and there were riots. These were not protests. It was the same with the previous umbrella protests – a pretext was found.
If the Brits were still colonizing Hong Kong, with their utter disdain and racist attitude for everyone that is not Brit, these rioters would be smacked down violently as in France perhaps.
Hong Kong dealt with the riots themselves and soldiers from mainland China never interfered excepting to sweep the streets after riots.
Hong Kong is a special administrative region, basically self-managing if you read their Basic Hong Kong law, excepting they belong to China and China reserved for itself the right of external relationships only. Basic Hong Kong law is the founding document agreed upon return to China, after British colonization. Because they had no independently developed extradition agreements in law, Hong Kong became a criminal haven. So, you’re looking at a criminal culture, not a protest culture. Up to now, every petty criminal and serious criminals (and their dogs) could find safe haven in Hong Kong.
Yes, that’s right. Especially white collar crimes. The western fugitives will resettle here to live the high life and run their boiler rooms. And the mainland ones will buy an identity (dual nationality is not allowed for mainlanders) and use hk as a springboard to emigrate to the west, buying up mansions and fast cars for their princelings.
A lot of the paid protesting were co-sponsored by these oligarch ex-mainlanders with skeletons in the closet. The west laps it up because it gives it a local grassroot feel to their narrative. Look!
The agreement between Grand Britain & Hòng Kóng (/Xiānggǎng) stipulated that HK (XG) regional authorities should themselves enact a security law (§13). They díd not. hence –after many a year — the Bêijing central government was forced to imply such a statute. Was this pre-plannned by “The West”?
Your interpretation of The Basic Law shed away from these facts into obfuscation.
I was not aware that I interpreted The Basic Law. I am not a scholar of that and I don’t pretend to be so I won’t interpret that legal document. It is also not the topic here you know.
If you want to lend anything to the conversation, do so, on your own merit without laying words in my mouth, or suggesting motive or implication on my part. Here is it .. knock yourself out and add to the conversation in a positive way.
perhaps this fits closer to your view of what reality ought to be
It might sound a bit farfetched if we don’t remember the Taiping Rebellion, one of the bloodiest civil wars in world history, deemed the “most gigantic man-made disaster” of the nineteenth century, which ravaged China for 14 years (1850-1864), initiated by the ”God Worshiping Society” Bài Shàngdì Huì) the religious movement founded and led by Hong Xiuquan under the influence of Protestant missionaries, especially of American Southern Baptist missionary, Reverend Issachar Jacox Roberts and the American Congregationalist missionary Edwin Stevens. Hong Xiuquan came to believe that he was “the son of God the Father and the younger brother of Jesus Christ who had been directed to rid the world of demon worship.” Hong presented this religion as a revival and a restoration of the ancient classical faith in Shangdi, a faith that had been displaced by Confucianism and dynastic imperial regimes. The rebellion weakened China to such an extent that foreign intervention could go unimpeded. One should remember that it was followed by the Muslim ‘Dungan Revolt’ in Xinjiang (1860-1877), where the hand of the the British Empire was also on display (the more that it happened at the peak of the ‘Great Game’ – Russia helped the Chinese to quell the rebellion).
History repeats itself, as a farce of course.
It would be of interest to search the relations between the Buddhist secret societies, like the White Lotus, Tiandihui, which spawned in the same area, and the ‘Theosophical Society’ founded in New York in 1875, which re-oriented the ‘occult’ interests towards ‘esoteric Buddhism’, ‘Taoism’. ‘Occult’ in the sense of espionage, special operations, psy-ops, destabilization, color revolutions. Falun Gong is a re-elaboration by the CIA of the ‘native’ Chinese beliefs for the purpose of destabilization and anti-Chinese propaganda.
Thank heavens somebody mentioned otherwise I would have.
It all started in Hong Kong.
This, dear “Anonymous” was a most deep and penetrating réssumé of what we all want stated who have studied Chinese history — shame on those who are know-noghts of descency but cannot get enough of eating imperieal lies’ fake history’s shit!
Thanks for your reminder. You connected many dots.
I recall having dinner in what I believe was the Jockey Club where there was displayed a sign: No dogs or Chinese allowed. This was 2000. Perhaps for old times sake.
if he just marries greta he could be the new green/yellow smurfs ruling the world
Good idea. Dyslexia marries Aspelger…
Western propaganda is going to the dogs: this boy is too weak a hook to hang their tall tales…
Thanks, Thorsten, for a humorous read.
I could not resist to frame, your rant about the obnoxiousness of Western propaganda, into the broader context of our present historical moment. So here it goes…
From the viewpoint of the long haul history Western civilization, started as a Judeo-Christian rupture from animism which was the worldview shared over the preceding tens of thousands of years by tribal societies the world over. This contrasts with China whose first power societies were governed by animist wise-men who built their emerging civilization on top of their traditional worldview.
This moment, at the start of written history, was unfortunately not registered in the academic annals of history. This very moment, that took place some 5,000 years ago nevertheless :
– ended the process of societal transition from tribal, non-power societies, to power societies which had started with the abrupt climate warming that ended the Last Glaciation Period at the tail-end of the Younger Dryas some 11,700 years ago.
– initiated the cycle of power societies and civilizations that forms the Geo-political reality of the present societal ending moment.
We are indeed immersed in a new societal turning. And for that reason our present moment is historical indeed. But what do I mean by that ?
Modernity is a Western European quasi-worldview that grew out of the worldview of Western Christianity (Catholicism). It was a quasi-worldview because it never completely displaced Christianity. This Western European quasi-worldview has now reached old age and we are in the historical moment of its passing away under the assault of the Great Convergence of Late-Modernity :
– the governance-world is under the shock of a shift, of the center of gravity of the economy-world, from the West (New-York) to East-Asia (Beijing). This shift rankles the West which can’t come to terms with what is going on for the good reason that the past seven such shifts moved the center of gravity of the economy-world to locales within the territory of Western civilization (Italian city-states, Spain-Portugal, Bruges-Flanders, Amsterdam-Netherlands, London-Great-Britain, NewYork-USA. The present shift moves the center of gravity of the economy-world outside of the West. This is precisely what rankles the West which can’t resist provoking Geo-political waves…
– over the centuries Modernity has unleashed upon this earth untold externalities (side-effects) and these have started to converge provoking feed-back loops that threaten the habitat of life on this earth. Biologists coined the name Anthropocene to characterize this era…
Your rant addresses the Geo-political waves that the West relentlessly unleashes on China. The danger is evidently that these waves could transform into a tsunami ending-up in a nuclear winter. But on a more mundane plane I fear that the obnoxiousness of Western propaganda is excluding the possibility of the human species ever joining together in answering the predicament unleashed upon it by the Great Convergence of Late-Modernity. The risk for the West (10% of the world population)is that it could end up being ostracized by the rest of the world (90% of the world population) for sheer immorality. Western citizens should think if this is an outcome they could live with and if not now is the time for them to act…
“The risk for the West… is that it could end up being ostracized by the rest of the world … for sheer immorality.”
Not just a risk: it’s coming. Ostracism will be preceded by mockery and contempt.
The West was already widely hated for its regime change and other criminal enterprises, was already mocked for the stupidity of its silly woke culture, and now, thanks to Trump – and Macron, and Covid-19 – for its disorderly internal politics and sham democracy…
“laodan” — how is your pseudonym written with Chinese characters (hànzì) , and what does thaose refer to? RSVP!
It is often said that Germans have no sense of humour. I think this disproves that and admirably so. Priceless!
Best laugh I have had all day (week or month, maybe year?).
I think the notion of Germans not having a sense of humor is well-known in the Anglosphere (e.g. Britain); I don’t know to which degree it is held in other European nations.
Part of it could involve cultural differences between the English- and German-speaking countries. What doesn’t help is the monopoly the Anglosphere (especially the USA and UK) holds on pop culture (e.g. Hollywood), which makes it easy to ignore said cultural differences and assume everyone should be receptive to Anglophone humor regardless of linguistic background.
So if all those HongKongers want to relocate to Brutain, their erstwhile colonial owner, let them. Let Brutain be inundated with a flood of immigrants who will compete with the Brutish for jobs and housing, while ridding China of a horde of fifth columnist Quislings. It’s a win win situation as far as I can see.
Yes, except the British people don’t deserve that. Once again, leaders make policies that are bad for the people. It’s like, sometimes I wish « the fascist countries » would get nuked or otherwise destroyed, but it’s not the people that deserve that, but the bad leadership.
Not sure about that “don’t deserve” part. Considering the exploitation, destruction, and cruelty the British have engaged in all around the world since the East India Co. got its royal charter (beg. 17th cent.) – my view would be that they deserve plenty. A power can hardly develop to the extent the UK did without the support of its people (at least a majority).
The people of Britain (or at least England) may have supported Britain in all its exploits, but was this with or without government-sponsored propaganda? Additionally, do you have records of opinion polls that demonstrate a
pro-Imperialist opinion of the general public?
I may not be a fan of Britain (at least not anymore), but I doubt ‘FEATHERLESS’ is completely wrong on this when he/she draws the line between a country’s elite and the people they (claim to) represent.
Yup, the English needs replacement for all the cash tradies and sex workers post brexit. Good riddance.
If the west really cared, it would have given HK democracy during colonial rule. Every ounce of democracy and every vote we have we got after the handover.
If the west really cared, the would have given HKers real British citizenship. We got next to zilch save for high ranking officials and an insignificant lottery.
Clearly we are just worthless colonial subjects and have only became “useful” politically of late because of China’s rise.
And don’t think we don’t know that. A lot of us will tell you what you want to hear in the open just to get a passport but we know the score.
They’re just economic refugees. Let’s see how many take up the emigration offers if HK no longer allow dual nationality for those who’ve left.
It is the cumulated capital that these emigrants bring along to Britain that they are salivating over.
He should have got 5 years minimum –He certainly would have in teh USA or UK -that’s for sure !
Thanks, Thorsten, for a good laugh.
Less funny is the thought that, when his usefulness runs out, Joshua may one day die by ‘suicide’ with two bullet holes in his head. Maybe three.
It is no wonder that the people of Hong Kong (those plain, normal, yellow deplorables who have never seen the insides of the British Club) call Joshua Wong and his ilk ‘cockroaches’, animals dressed all in black, swarming of a sudden down some alleyway to punch up women and old men, scurrying when the CPC spotlight shines on them.
This is deserved harsh ridicule for the West’s methods, and certainly not CPC love fest.
Thanks too, Laodan, for an insightful long sweep, placing our current troubles into perspective.
In reality – 1.4 billion mainland dwellers, alongside most of SE Asia (which had not succumbed to the neo-liberal insanity) looks on amusedly at the antics of the 8 million colonial wannabees. Ranting senselessly like a little 5-year old, kowtowing to western interests and then was promptly abandoned when the going gets tough.
Here’s an acronym for the 8 million colonial wannabees to remember – “MPH”.
M – meritocracy
P – pragmatism
H – honesty
The “P” is completely non-existent for those Joshua unicorn types.
Rule of thumb, these fools will always exists – akin to cockroaches.
Greta Thunberg and Joshua Wong. Both pubescent and exotic (to Westerners) puppets of serious-money foreign interests. To my nose, there is a strong stench of pedophilic fascination swirling around these and other such figures.
It never ends, does it? Mindszenty, Walesa, Havel, Guaido, Bana, Navalny, Wong — all media creations with plastic halos.
Here in Singapore, this episode opened many peoples’ eyes. They realised how biased and indeed manipulative Western media is. It is universally accepted in Singapore that the local news sources have to toe the line and present the official view. People take everything with a grain of salt and adjust their perspectives accordingly. The problem with people in the West is that they actually think that their news sources are free and totally objective. These are the best subjects for propaganda.
In the former Communist countries nobody believed what was written in the newspapers or spoken on the radio or tv.
Thanks Pabloz you made me laugh out loud.. Your comment makes me smile every time I think of it. Surfs. BRILLIANT.
Well you ‘v gotta larf avent yer ?
I hate to disappoint all the China bashers, but here is the Dalai Lama himself, speaking in Minnesota in 2011, of his excellent relations with Chairman Mao.
It appears to me that this was intolerable to the CIA back then, so it fomented a rebellion, basically kidnapped the Dalai Lama, and the rest is history. But we should keep in mind that Buddhism and Communism both agree on the goal to free and elevate all beings.
(See Ramin Mazaheri, who also sees Islam and Socialism as completely compatible)
It is only Western Imperialist Divide and Conquer, who create controversy and division.
Carly Rae Jepsen might take offence. Taylor Swift did not say Call Me Maybe. Or did she?
Here in Norway, some same forces — not sane forces– recently nominated Joshua Wong for the Nobél Peaace (not “piss”) Price (not “praise”): A faction of the Venstre (Liberal Left) Party and a few fellow travellers in the “Left Socialist Völkischer Party” (Venstresosialistisk folkeparti) have become their follow-ups. Of course, none of them have any experience nor expertice on Hòng Kóng (Xiānggǎng). Nor any of their advisors — who I assume to be US-American payed peons.
All these bought and paid for US/UK quislings who run away at the first sign of trouble! So brave, such martyrs living their nice western lifestyles on the dollar but you know they won’t always be useful and then they will be discarded like the traitorous trash they are. Navalny, Tikanovskaya et al be warned, your usefulness is temporary.
”In Europe, questioning the global Jewish cause is instant career seppuku – worse than hell, the C-plague and Trump-voters combined.”
Applies 100% to the Wong specimen himself. Not too bright and savvy, he may certainly ”commit seppuku” should he get things mixed up thoughtlessly. His money and fame are entirely predicated on his ”ideological discipline”. Spontaneously, I should feel inclined to set his current shelf life to 1 year his sell-by date reached by the end of 2021. Then some other ’rising star’ is bound to come along, of course.
I am glad that I am not alone in judging his weird face. The bad seed that got through.
The greater bay area project does seem very interesting. Will there be a migration from Hong Kong? It does seem to make more sense to live somewhere that is more affordable and offers better opportunities.
We are living in interesting times, hopefully AI does not choose the path of God’s chosen and enslave us all.
“I should feel inclined to set his current shelf life to 1 year his sell-by date reached by the end of 2021. Then some other ’rising star’ is bound to come along, of course.”
It is a beautiful sight (quoting Plastic Pelosi here) to see how easily the CPC neutered the CIA thrust. But first, they let the world see how transparent, shallow, shamelessly the West acts as a pack of dogs.
Cockroach Face Wong is having an all-expenses paid holiday in a lodging house as a guest of the CPC over the next 11 months.
Meanwhile, the CIA will manufacture another cockroach to “stand up for Western values. ”
Problem for Wong is that in the near future, he may be more useful dead than alive, especially if the CIA can leave a freshly-printed CPC passport next to his corpse.
I do hope his friends are reading this, but then again, like they sang in that song, you can enter, but never leave Hotel California (CIA, anybody?)
Guaidó, Wong, Navalny, Tichanovskaya — talented people looking for splendid assignments!
Sad thing all those Hong Kongers whose prefer the Anglo-Americo-Euro-Zionist axis over Xi’s heavy-hand approach for prosperity and stability are totally buying the exodus bait. The property bubble is bursting when everyone’s hurrying for exit, and everyone who can get their hands on crypto are trying to take their bitcoins across borders so they can exchange it for soon-to-be-worthless Dollar, Pound & Euro papers. Families with millions & penniless labourers both want the glamour of opportunities in America, Britain & Europe, all of them impoverished by months of lockdown and fiscal mismanagement.
I want to see their faces when they realize the globalists are serious in their plans for a Great Reset. Fools escaping “totalitarianism” for totalitarianism. (Not that HK is any better with the British agent Carrie Lam and her malpracticing advisors being reckless with shutdowns and turning over HK to the globalists for strip-mining its people & wealth. Even President Xi is falling for the trap set up by the World Economic Forum!)
China and the Western Elites are on the Same Team, under the Same Agenda. Deception is key to A World in Darkness. The god of this present World Order will be chained and detained for 1000 years and all who lived lavishly on the blood of the victims They robbed and murdered, or displaced and dispossessed will go with him into the Garbage Heaps. Fear GOD and keep His Law, for this is the whole duty of Man.
(Mod: abstain from harsh words when you call people to the way of their lord)
Put His Word into your Hearts and Minds. In these Last Days, everybody loves god and country, but hate their own neighbors and actively seek to humiliate them. Good luck in the coming Tribulation, people. When the Master shuts the Door, no man can open it. The Everlasting Gospel tells Us Assuredly. Turn Now. For the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
You’re very welcome to go to the kingdom of heaven ASAP. I’d rather still wait a bit and then when my time has come go to hell, much better music playing there. ;-)
It’s a shame that the west is using this kind of methods to destabilize countries.
On the other hand, China seems to blame for a good portion of disappointment and dislike. Here following some links to enthusiastic Youtubers who have tried to show the many faces and positive sides of China, and that for many years, but who have practically been punished for doing so:
“How I Escaped From China – The Untold Story”:
“How I Got my Family Out of China”:
Here 8 years of videos from this American made during his life in China:
And here many more years of very interesting videos of life in China from his friend and mentor, the South African Winston Sterzel:
Introduction “My China Life”:
“Why I left China for Good!”:
Looks like the Chinese government has an even more dystopian society planned than the EU or the USA.
Joshua and all the anti-china supporters claim to be independent thinkers that they alone are making their own choice , but at at the same time begging for the Americans to help them, obviously these gullible young men cannot see their own contradictions nor do they have any sense of American long history of oppressing other nations, what they basically want to do is jump from the frying pan into the fire, so let them be taken for a ride to oblivion
Hong Kong protest ‘hero’ Joshua Wong trained alongside the cream of Western-backed colour revolutionaries