by David Penner for The Saker Blog
Ask any American liberal aged sixty-five and older what they think about Franco, Mussolini, or Hitler and they will vehemently denounce these men as tyrants, murderers, and despots. Ask them what they think about the Vietnam War and they will say it was a tragedy, not only for the Vietnamese, but for the poor American soldiers who were drafted and used as cannon fodder. Liberals also once defended the civil rights movement and the New Deal while vigorously opposing McCarthyism. That these same people would go on to support deunionization, resegregation, and Russophobia while enthusiastically backing barbarous wars and interventions in Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine constitutes not only a betrayal of leftist principles, but is indicative of a rejection of reason and the reality-based world.
Like the proverbial general always fighting the last war, liberals remain trapped in the past, unable to adapt to rapidly unfolding kinetic developments. The problem is that not only is this general fighting the last war, this is a general that can no longer distinguish between right and left and has lost any semblance of a moral compass.
There’s a Hitler on The Danube
One could argue that the new Cold War began with Bill Clinton bringing Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic into NATO. For Russians that were not yet alarmed by this perfidy, their red lines were irrefutably crossed with the NATO destruction of Yugoslavia and the bombing of Serbia, regarded by Russians as a brotherly nation. This constituted an illegal war of aggression, and was carried out without a mandate from the United Nations Security Council. Indeed, the NATO destruction of Yugoslavia initiated an unraveling of international law and marked an erosion in the equilibrium between the great powers.
As Noam Chomsky has noted, Yugoslavia was marked for destruction, because unlike the other formerly communist European countries they did not embrace privatization. The destruction of Yugoslavia was not only a violation of the UN Charter, but was also the first “humanitarian intervention” following the collapse of the USSR that liberals were duped into embracing. In an article on the RT website titled “15 years on: Looking back at NATO’s ‘humanitarian’ bombing of Yugoslavia,” the author writes, “NATO demonstrated in 1999 that it can do whatever it wants under the guise of ‘humanitarian intervention,’ ‘war on terror,’ or ‘preventive war’ – something that everyone has witnessed in subsequent years in different parts of the globe.”
While Milošević and the Serbs were marked for demonization due to their lack of enthusiasm for neoliberal “reforms,” Croatian secessionists (many of whom subscribed to a neo-Nazi and neo-Ustasha ideology), Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia, and the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) were supported by the West. Brigadier-General Pierre Marie Gallois of the French Army has condemned the NATO destruction of Yugoslavia, and has gone on record stating that the endless stories of Serb atrocities, such as mass rapes and the siege of Sarajevo were fabricated. Gallois also argues that the German elite sought revenge for the fierce Serb resistance during the two world wars, especially with regard to the Serb partisans that held up German divisions that were headed towards Leningrad and Moscow during Operation Barbarossa. While relentlessly demonized, the Serbs were in many ways the greatest victims of the NATO-orchestrated Balkan wars, as hundreds of thousands of Serbs were forcibly expelled from both Croatia and Kosovo while Serbia was turned into a free-fire zone by NATO for over seventy days. Washington took advantage of the conflict to solidify control over its European vassals.
During the aerial campaign, between ten and fifteen tons of depleted uranium were dropped on Serbia resulting in extremely high rates of cancer. The Independent coyly informed its readers that the forced expulsion of Serbs from Croatia, which they refer to as an “exodus” – is a great mystery – a “riddle.” The only “riddle” is how liberals can denounce genocide and speak ad nauseam about human rights while supporting neo-Nazi regimes, such as the Poroshenko government in Kiev and the Tudjman government in Croatia, which have perpetrated genocidal war crimes in broad daylight. The forced expulsion of Serbs from Croatia was eventually reported by The New York Times, but four years too late. Liberal-backed jihadists in Libya and Syria have likewise carried out one ethnic cleansing after another.
Endless calls by the mainstream press to stop the evil Serbs from establishing a “greater Serbia” were blatant propaganda, as there was no way that the hundreds of thousands of Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo could have “invaded” these territories, as they had already been living there for centuries. Indeed, this very scenario holds true for the ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Moreover, as the mass media was busy vilifying the Serbs, behind the scenes American diplomats had no illusions about who they were dealing with, referring to the Croatian nationalists as “our junkyard dogs.”
In an article titled “The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia,” Michael Parenti writes:
Tudjman presided over the forced evacuation of over half a million Serbs from Croatia between 1991 and 1995, replete with rapes and summary executions. This included the 200,000 from Krajina in 1995, whose expulsion was facilitated by attacks from NATO war planes and missiles. Needless to say, U.S. leaders did nothing to stop and much to assist these atrocities, while the U.S. media looked the other way.
Kosovo was also prized by the Western elites because of its rich deposits of coal, lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver valued in the billions of dollars. The tragic balkanization of Yugoslavia, where brother was pitted against brother, brought about the destruction of a non-aligned country with a nationalized economy thereby bolstering the power of Western finance capital. Of the NATO bombings, Parenti posits that, “To destroy publicly-run Yugoslav factories that produced auto parts, appliances, or fertilizer…is to enhance the investment value of western producers. And every television or radio station closed down by NATO troops or blown up by NATO bombs extends the monopolizing dominance of the western media cartels. The aerial destruction of Yugoslavia’s social capital served that purpose.”
Lamentably, all of this was drowned out by the mass media’s vilification of the Serbs. An article in The Guardian titled “Serbs enslaved Muslim women at rape camps” encapsulates perfectly how Western liberals were duped into embracing a war which was waged for no other reason than to fortify the power of US and NATO hegemony. This propaganda is particularly galling in light of the fact that women’s rights have been thrown back into the Stone Age precisely in the very countries which have come under attack by Washington and her proxies, such as Libya, jihadist-occupied Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine.
“Save Benghazi” and More Humanitarian Psychosis
Repeated calls by the presstitutes to “save Benghazi” sufficed to obtain liberal support for a war of aggression that has left Libya in such a state of anarchy and chaos, that Libyans who have been unable to flee the country are now trapped in a failed state where warring militias vie for power. In an article in Foreign Affairs titled “Obama’s Libya Debacle,” Alan J. Kuperman writes, “With Moscow’s acquiescence, the United Nations Security Council had approved the establishment of a no-fly zone in Libya and other measures to protect civilians. But NATO exceeded that mandate to pursue regime change.”
Under Gaddafi Libyans enjoyed a high standard of living, and health care and education were free. Gaddafi’s desire to set up a gold-backed dinar put him in the crosshairs of the Western elites, as this would have liberated Africans from domination by the World Bank and the IMF through establishing a common gold-backed currency. Alas, this was lost on the human rights crusaders of the holier-than-thou faux left.
Libya, which formerly had the highest standard of living in Africa, has been annihilated as a nation state. Slave markets are a legacy of this great “humanitarian intervention,” as are pogroms carried out against black Africans, formerly given refuge by the Gaddafi regime. An article in The Telegraph, which appeared in March of 2011, titled “Libya crisis: Benghazi fights for its life as Gaddafi attacks,” was one of countless articles in the mainstream press that incited messianic liberals into supporting a war of aggression against a people that had become too independent.
Once a country is marked for destruction by the Western elites no story is too outrageous, as evidenced by Susan Rice’s claim that Gaddafi supplied his troops with Viagra so that they could more effectively carry out mass rapes. This barbaric destruction of a sovereign state was summed up by liberal icon Hillary Clinton, who when asked about the brutal murder of Gaddafi, happily blurted out “We came! We saw! He died!”
In what constituted the most genocidal invasion of a country following the end of the Vietnam War, Iraq was marked for annihilation after Saddam Hussein made the decision to sell oil in euros. In a rare moment of candor from a high priest of liberalism, Madeleine Albright, when asked about the half a million children that died due to the Clinton-backed sanctions, replied “We think the price is worth it.” This chilling remark underscores the fact that, contrary to liberal theology, the destruction of Iraq was perpetrated with equal fervor by both parties. Incredibly, even after spending trillions of dollars systematically destroying Iraqi social and political institutions, Washington failed to install a puppet government in Baghdad which has forged alliances with Tehran, Damascus, and Moscow.
Liberal saint Obama, in comparing the reunification of Crimea and Russia with the Iraq War, informs us that the “annexation of Crimea” – which was enthusiastically backed by the overwhelming majority of Crimeans – was worse than the invasion of Iraq, which resulted in a million deaths, destroyed a civilization and fueled the rise of ISIS.
As if her abysmal record makes her a Marxist scholar, Albright now warns Americans of the dangers of fascism, her implication of course being that the rise of Trump represents a threat to our democracy. Perhaps the Donald’s desire to pursue detente with Russia, and the fact that he has yet to start any new wars are what liberals are really upset about.
The Obama administration’s support for the Saudi war on Yemen is yet another impressive achievement for the liberal class, and has yielded such an earthly paradise that Yemenis have resorted to eating leaves to survive. For this extravaganza of mass murder the presstitutes didn’t even bother coming up with a fictitious narrative, allowing the salt of the earth to set aside their pom-poms for a while and take a nap.
Syria: Mass Murder in Paradise
Unsurprisingly, the mass media had no trouble duping imaginary leftists into believing that Syrians were being indiscriminately slaughtered by the Syrian Arab Army and the evil Russians. Unbeknownst to The Guardian and The New York Times, the US military presence in Syria is illegal, while Russian and Iranian military personnel are there at the invitation of the Syrian government. The Obama administration and its vassals are clearly responsible for the carnage in Syria, as they poured billions of dollars into backing the many jihadist groups. The mass media also hoodwinked liberals into thinking that the US military has been fighting ISIS, when they have used ISIS along with Al-Nusra Front and other illegal armed formations, as proxies with which to wage war on Syrian society. If Washington were battling the jihadists in Syria, why would they simultaneously be antagonists with the Syrian government and the Russians, who together saved Syria from being overrun by these very barbarians? Indeed, such questions have become a form of unmitigated heresy.
Articles such as “The Effects of Suspending American Aid to Moderate Syrian Opposition Groups,” by Hosam al-Jablawi, which appeared on The Atlantic Council’s website, seek to further the fallacy that the militants have been mostly democratic and secular. Washington and her vassals have poured enormous amounts of weaponry into the conflict zone, and Israeli weapons have been discovered in Syrian territories liberated from Daesh. That German machine guns from the Second World War have been discovered in some of these hideouts is symbolic of the true intentions of these murderous and sociopathic gangs.
The New York Post has referred to the jihadists in Syria as “freedom fighters.” While this may not be regarded as a “liberal” publication, an even more inane sentiment was expressed on Democracy Now, where Amy Goodman discussed the fighting in Eastern Ghouta with Rawya Rageh, Alia Malek, and Wendy Pearlman. Throughout the entire discussion of what can only be called an imaginary war, the fact that a large swath of Syria was taken over by jihadists, many of whom were not even Syrians but foreigners, is not even mentioned. In this cloud-cuckoo-land that passes for journalism the militants do not even exist. Assad and Putin are simply killing as many Syrians as possible, and doing so in an orgy of gratuitous savagery.
An article in The Guardian titled “You’re on your own, US tells Syrian rebels, as Assad goes on offensive” is deliberately written with the intention of stirring up liberal outrage over “indifference in the face of genocide,” and seeks to evoke memories of the Holocaust, the appeasement of Hitler, and the defeat of the Republicans by the forces of Franco. Meanwhile, independent media is shunned by liberals, who dismiss efforts at real journalism and political analysis as “conspiracy theory.” Thankfully for the insane, there is no shortage of good reading material.
Moscow has repeatedly maintained that the Syrian Arab Army is no longer in possession of chemical weapons, and there is ample evidence that the chemical attacks in Syria are false flag operations carried out by the jihadists to justify NATO aerial attacks on the Syrian Arab Army and Syrian infrastructure. Clearly, these incidents make for great Hollywood and have been extremely effective in stirring up gullible liberals who proceed to bray, as if on cue, for another regime change.
Tied to the mass media’s obsession with accusing Assad of “gassing his own people” are the White Helmets, who have been funded by the West, and who are clearly allied with the jihadists. The White Helmets played a critical role in duping liberal fundamentalists into thinking that there was a democratic uprising in Syria, and that the West must intervene “to put an end to the suffering.” Time will tell if Washington truly ceases all military operations in this war-ravaged country.
Forgotten Killing Fields: Afghanistan and Ukraine
The invasion and military occupation of Afghanistan was sold as a war to free oppressed women. An article in The Independent by Jane Dalton titled “Afghanistan’s first female military pilot granted asylum in US after fleeing Taliban death threats,” is crude propaganda, yet very effective nevertheless. This is a great way to distract insouciant liberals from what Americans are more likely to do in their dealings with Afghans, which is to murder them, and then urinate over their dead bodies. What the mass media doesn’t like to talk about is how the rise of the Taliban is a direct result of Washington’s support for the mujahideen in their insurgency against the secular Afghan communist government in the 1980s. Washington is furious with the International Criminal Court over considering prosecution of American officials for war crimes in Afghanistan, and has even threatened to arrest ICC judges in retaliation. Unbeknownst to these judges, Americans are God’s chosen people. Consequently, they are incapable of war crimes.
Samantha Power is a particularly pious priest in the Church of Humanitarian Interventionism. Power was a staunch advocate of military intervention in Libya, and used her influence to cover up the crimes of the US-Saudi genocidal assault on Yemen. She defended Israel’s brutal attack on Gaza in the summer of 2014, and yet was extremely critical of the “annexation of Crimea.” That the reunification of Crimea and Russia was in fact a legitimate humanitarian intervention is an irony that was undoubtedly lost on her. In a 2016 showdown with Vitaly Churkin at the UN Power accused Russia, Syria, and Iran of slaughtering civilians in Aleppo, when they were liberating the city from jihadists backed by Washington and her vassals. Power also spoke of the liberation of Aleppo as if the jihadists were Jews bravely defending themselves in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Syrian and Russian troops were fascists perpetrating brutal acts of collective punishment. Following this deranged rant, Churkin said, “The speech by the US representative is particularly strange to me; she gave her speech as if she was Mother Teresa herself. Please, remember which country you represent. Please, remember the track record of your country.”
The NATO-backed putsch in Kiev, supported wholeheartedly by the Obama administration, resulted in an unconstitutional seizure of power by the heirs of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, as well as a genocidal war waged against the ethnic Russians of the Donbass who have steadfastly refused to recognize the Banderite regime. In pitting neo-Nazis against neo-partisans, the restoration of Ukrainian nationalism has resurrected the demons of the past, as the bodies of slain Novorossiyan fighters are mingled with the bones of their heroic grandfathers.
Despite blathering on about the Nazis for decades, liberals were fully complicit in bringing this odious regime to power, as they were easily hoodwinked into thinking that the coup was a grassroots democratic uprising, and that the armed formations battling the Ukrainian military in the Donbass were divisions from the Russian Armed Forces, when they are overwhelmingly comprised of locals from Donetsk and Lugansk.
Moreover, as the Western elites impose multiculturalism and identity politics at home, they are simultaneously fomenting the rise of neo-Nazism in Eastern Europe. This underscores the moral bankruptcy, duplicity, and schizophrenia of the liberal class and has trapped Europeans in an intellectual paralysis where they are being offered a choice between neo-Nazism or multiculturalism, both of which benefit the oligarchy. The Maidan coup, executed by pogromists, neo-Nazis, and Banderites has legitimized unconstitutional seizures of power and inspired those who would like to carry out a putsch of their own in Germany.
A Hitler on The Moskva River?
As Putin has noted, following the collapse of the USSR Washington and NATO have pursued a policy of unilateralism. These wars have not only been carried out in flagrant violation of the UN Charter that condemns wars of aggression, but have also contributed to the degradation of the rule of law within the West itself. Western stenographers like to complain about terrorism, but terrorists filled the vacuum following the destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and a large swath of jihadist-occupied Syria – “humanitarian interventions” – where liberal complicity is undeniable and irrefutable.
The Church of Humanitarian Interventionism is rooted in the myth that the invasion of Normandy brought about the defeat of fascism. While this is not to denigrate the contributions made by resistance groups in Western Europe or those who lost their lives on the beaches of Normandy, the fact is that the defeat of fascism was achieved by the Red Army and allied partisans who bore the brunt of the best German troops, together with the courage of the Russian people who suffered the loss of twenty-seven million of their countrymen. This much vaunted invasion was launched on June 6, 1944, and only after it was clear that the Nazis were going to lose the war.
The descent of liberals into a morass of madness and bestiality is intertwined with a gross naivete regarding the true intentions of publications such as The New York Times, The New Yorker, and The Guardian which are leading their readers around like so many poodles. Sadly, most of these creatures will go to their graves never understanding the treachery of these periodicals that they have given their very souls to. Liberals have also decided that it is better to spend trillions of dollars on illegal wars of aggression while their sons and daughters have inadequate health insurance and wallow in dead-end jobs working for the minimum wage.
In a spectacular display of Russophobia and Apocalypticism, Nikki Haley, who could easily work for either party and not know the difference, recently wrote on her Twitter page that “Lying, cheating, and rogue behavior have become the new norm of the Russian culture.” Washington’s decision to make Putin their favorite new bogeyman undoubtedly helps justify the obscene budget of the military industrial complex. Let’s pray that the bells of humanitarian intervention don’t ring out in strident cacophony over the Kremlin, which would assuredly take us to a place from which there is no dawning, and the evanescing of the sun of mankind forever.
David Penner’s articles on politics and health care have appeared in Dissident Voice, CounterPunch, Russia Insider and KevinMD. Also a photographer and native New Yorker, he is the author of three books: Faces of The New Economy, Faces of Manhattan Island, and Manhattan Pairs. He can be reached at [email protected].
As someone who identifies as a liberal in the FDR strain, I thank the author for this piece. The left in the US and EU have simply been dead wrong in their foreign policy since electing the Republican Clinton in 92. Sadly, since the election of Trump, the Democrats (one can’t even call the Democrats liberal if any honest metrics are considered) have truly went insane. It is simply painful to have to endure the ‘liberal’ press in the US and abroad, with Democracy Now, NYT and the Guardian being prime examples. Democrats have sold their souls to the war party which has utterly taken the reins of that institution. The Democrats are dead, time for a new party.
Time for a new paradigm…
Respect for the liberals at that time.
One thing we can honestly praise them for, is the ban on the right for adults to beat on any children.
However, we must also remember all the later liberal political campaigns are all fakes and managed by Wall Street´s profit logarithms under the “soft power” concept.
The liberals got paid and are paid to promote planned make believe soft power profit schemes.
Thus we came to the point where any atrocity, cruelty, destruction of humanity, society and families structures, became a tool for liberals to make a living on do-good state funding;
refugee camps, refugee migrants, parent-less children, social cases, women´s liberty, drug addicts, mood swings, mental diagnoses, war criminals, torture victims, homeless people, cancer, alcoholics, disabled, gender equality, environmental issues, clima change, green energy, saving endangered species, etc.
In this angle its not difficult to see the reason for liberals being the most hardcore warmongers of them all. They profit from all the human garbage they can create.
The American Mind is a complete mess. Individuals brought up in this culture don’t have a clue as to what reality is. This psychological chaos is the real guarantor of our collective doom.
It would certainly appear so, but why attribute their behavior to mental health issues?How do we know they aren’t just knowingly and willfully, lying and pretending?Maybe their minds are actually quite clear and they are simply saying and doing, anything and everything to preserve and improve their status,wealth and power in the world?
I can only tell you my experience of around 14 years spent all over the US (I have 2 degrees in psychology) – I agree with the guy above – Americans don’t seem to have a clue about anything. I used to joke with my American friends (I was serious but it sounds like a joke) – I used to tell them (and they would all lough in a bitter-funny agreement) that their main problem is now having a clue about who the f. they are.
Most don’t understand most basic things in life, especially simple things about themselves.
and very early they are told that their imaginary master is ‘everything’ and they are ‘nothing’
their schooling system is beyond joke.
So for all these and many more reasons – their confusion and fearful lack of any understanding of anything is REAL
On top of that they are the most cowardly nation I have ever seen – in 14 years I think I ‘ve met one brave person there.
It’s a lonely place when you wake up, limited friends, family that won’t talk to you. I use to think of it as a blessing, lately I’m not so sure. I use to see light at the end of the tunnel, now I don’t. What we did to Libya was the final straw for me.
_ ” their schooling system is beyond joke..”…
Well , that may be caused by various sets os reasons , and sets of consequencies.
First , school system , as known as , say from 1850_2000 was one thing, and later from another thing.
In 1500 ths , 1600 ths , 1700 ths 1800 ths , school and educations were for sons of rulling class , and priests , of course.
Ordinary people , folks , peasants had no need to be educated , at all.
And 99 % , were illeterate , and 1 % literate.
Same as today 99 % of poor workers, against 1 % ultra rich rulers.
In that time people had no complicated machines.
But inventions brought some new machines that requrid educated handlers.
So need for broad educated work force appeared. And schooll systrem broadened. For education of workers for more and more complicated machines.
In time complicated devices were invented , called computers , and new era begun.
Soon computers came to so high levels , that provided uses of robots , and later Artificial Inteligence , AI.
That brought conclusions that education of people , with broad workers required , is no more neccessary.
Some , special , privileged groups would be educated , but most of other , only as necessary , as litlle as possible.
Now low educated people becomes preferable.
The lesser one knows , the more he will obey.
So degradation of schooling was allowed , and initiated.
That shows that new world order plans for use of more robots and AI , añd lesser use of real people , mostly as servants , slaves , or so , to fullfill their needs.
And that compiles with their plan to decimate number of world population.
” golden billion of people” is enough by their estimations.
Rest of mankind should be decimated by wars , poisonous drugs , chemichals , gmo food _…new invented deseases , vaccines …and by nuclear war , if neccessary.
To achieve this they also need to step down usa , to level of some ordinary _, plain country _ like somalia , lybia , venecuela ,…
So schooling system in america has to be stepped down in usa , also , like in somalia, lybia ,…
So that schooling system is joke…
Liberalism became a Cult, and is acting exactly like a Cult. The slavish insistence on its dogmas and seemingly irrational acts are cult behaviors. The end zone of all cults is death. The leaders drive the cult members to a suicide scenario. This is what will occur with the Global Liberalism and American Liberalism Cult.
They are domestic terrorists. They are international terrorists.
And they will be destroyed by the rest of humanity that rejects and resists them.
The Liberals of today are Feudalists who crave Power and demand serfs to follow and worship them as demigods. They are sociopathic, and some are psychopathic. Many are sexual deviants. Some pursue the non-human transhumanist path to death.
They are anti-Nature in every manner. Most readily by their fostering of abortion, sexual use of children and trafficking in human organs.
Western liberals and liberalism are right wing. Their failures stem from that fact.
In the US, specifically, “liberals” who can’t ditch the Democratic Party to develop completely independent platforms and candidates — and what could possibly matter more, or be more interesting — are the ideological and identical twins of the Republican Party they claim to oppose. There are no substantial differences between Democrats and Republicans on the issues that matter most: war and peace, and wealth concentration.
Both wings of The Party have been failing up for several decades, and its comatose electoral base is incapable of voting in its own interests. They willfully keep themselves permanently installed in the facile cage of “electability”, as defined by the US’ not very intelligent plutocrats, military and Alphabet Stasi nomenklatura, and the fully indoctrinated educators within the US’ crumbled educational system.
Tried and true solutions to rebuilding the wreckage seem so obvious, simple and inexpensive, but the American population has rendered itself willfully and clinically incompetent. And I keep repeating the mistake of paying attention to how “my fellow Americans” rapidly swirl the drain with such determination. Their Alphabet Stasi tortured me, and many “fellow Americans” collaborated. Swirl away!
No. The failure is to grasp that “there is no spoon”, i.e. right-wing and left-wing were always fake sides in a fake conflict. For example, it is no co-incidence that the meaning of both expressions constantly shifts with each new generation. An indication that the Masters of Discourse are bamboozling us yet again to keep our eye of the Elephant in the Room.
@Flopot, Very true. The Elites have become total Masters of Politics and play ALL figures on the chessboard. The System CANNOT be changed by the System, because the ‘System’ is fully under control by a ruleset defined by the ones who benefit from it the most. That is very bad News, because a ‘Revolution’ is a very dangerous undertaking as well. First of all a new ruleset must be found to start a ‘slow’ Revolution up from the roots – the people, – people – hmmm, what is a people ? See where we are ? Things like the Yellow-Vests are first signs, more is to come. We have to change, so will the world… The direction Bannon is heading can be supported, but is by no means THE SOLUTION per se.
Mot Exactly Larchmonter “Liberalism” is the renaissance of Leonid Bronstein, the psycho humanoid reptilian a.k.a. Trotsky, masquerading today as liberalism & antifa, with his apostle going by name Schwartz György a.k.a. Soros the gofer for the Gestapo in Hungary during WWII ….
Those are the today’s liberals ??
There is no such thing as “right” or “left”.
Such terms are invented by “the media” (which means those who decide what be printed and broadcast) to confuse and obfuscate. The true scale is anarchy at one extreme and totalitarianism at the other to describe the “State” or government. Similarly, “government” or “state” are that group of people (or demons) who call themselves the “government” or “state” and by this gain some mystic right to the earnings and lives of productive people outside that deadly clique.
In my opinion most of what is put before the public as “news” is propaganda. People within the US are most hopelessly deluded by an almost religious faith that “the government” wouldn’t lie to them, that “the government” would never use them or betray them. In recent memory are plain facts such as the massacre at Waco, Texas, the murders at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, the false flag massacre at the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and the massacre of September 11, 2001. No one can bring themselves to even discuss whether there ever was a holocaust of the Jews nor how Eisenhower ordered and effected the starvation of some hundreds of thousands of surviving German Wehrmacht, more than any actual number of Jews starved to death when allied bombing was so severe that no food or medicine distribution to the labor camps or anywhere else was possible. Discussions of the firebombing of Dresden are off the table – cognitive dissonance makes it impossible here in the home of the brave and the land of the free.
I know, but I keep trying.
Add to this abandonment of cultural pride, glorification of sexual deviation, homogenization of the races into a single amorphous underclass (debtor class), abandonment of work ethic (work is for suckers, why work when you can lie, cheat or steal your way to the “top”), the primacy of money from money speculation over honorable investment principles, and eventual nihilism.
As the dollar system is rejected, its “debt as wealth” premise no longer enslaves the virtue of honest money and honest money’s impact on the larger valuation system that guides virtue and morality back to an ethical and equitable world value system.
“..Liberalism became a Cult, and is acting exactly like a Cult. ”
my impression has always been that most things in the US are based on the cult principle:
you usually have to sell your soul to do anything in the US.
Here is a description of a person susceptible to becoming a cult -member (by probably the most famous sports psychologist in the world) – it pretty much describes an average American:
Some warning signs that may suggest you have a heightened vulnerability to seduction (sounds like describing an average American):
• Increasing preoccupation with securing fame, power, or financial wealth; (or after-life?)
• Lack of clarity about your values, purpose and spirituality in life; (religion takes care of all these)
• Tendency to look outside yourself for answers to life’s profound questions;
• Very limited capacity for self-awareness and self-reflection
• Poorly defined sense of self
• Considerable inner turmoil, unhappiness and discontent.
Grim reading and every word true. Thank you David.
David Penner’s above submission is very good, save his — hopefully unintended — ”regime” slander against Ghadaffi’s government.
Really, ”Humanitarian Interventionism” amounts to little more than a re-hash of the totally repugnant Christian soundbites which used to accompany the horrors of European colonialism, especially in the 19th century. Today, however, the West’s Elites have no interest in the well-being of its ”natives” at home. If the permanent genocides, famines, and enslavement perpetrated against Asia and Africa in the past were used to bribe the Euro-trash and keeping it in splendid isolation, today’s ”humanitarian interventions” are deliberately trashing global apartheid. Our contemporary Liberals, whatever beliefs they pledge allegiance to, are just the grovelling dregs of Soros. Their temper tantrums against ”authoritarians” such as Putin, Assad, Ghadaffi etc. are but the trivial corollary of this.
Very well written piece. Next question is how US liberals got duped into betraying everything they once believed in. Most of the propaganda is silly on its face.
”Most of the propaganda is silly on its face.”
I usually don’t toss around Hitler’s little gems, but he did hit the nail on the head with regard to the ”secrets” of successful propaganda. Nazism is simply applied Americanism — literally.
Former Pentagon official confirms: Trump prepares for war with Iran
If true, then it explains the fact that Trump is pulling US troops from Syria (who are in a dangerous tactical position, as pointed out by analysts), but is not pulling any troops from Iraq.
Yes. That’s what article describes more or less.
The US would do better to have another go at Grenada and those ten square city blocks of Panama City.
But Americans learned nothing of the debacles in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Syria. (Sorry for the tired cliche.) To think the US could take on Iran, knowing the Strait of Hormuz would be immediately closed for bidnes, is rather silly.
The US is truly its own worst enemy.
Americans cannot learn anything from past debacles, because they control nothing. The two political parties in the US exist for entertainment purposes, giving the illusion of democracy. Most politicians in Congress do as told, like when additional sanctions were introduced against Russia and 99 % voting for them. The elite in the US controls everything, led by the banks and corporations. For globalism to succeed, sovereign countries need to be placed under control, countries like Russia, China and Iran. Not going well at all. Worse, the globalists have now driven themselves into debt pursuing their imperial dreams. They learnt nothing from history. Well, maybe they did. When the Vandals took Rome in 476, the Roman elite was the first to flee. I see that the US elite has for years been buying up real estate throughout the world, including George Bush jr, who bought himself an estate in Paraguay. Strange for a Texan. Or is it. He expecting something, like a financial crash ?
Respected Mr. Andrei ,
it is very wellcome of you that you happened to find this text of Mr. Penner.
And it is highly significant that such texts start to appear. It must be that righteous new world order is coming to earth , and mankind. After inumerous lies and propaganda , truth seems to begin to unfold. This text is so concentrated , so dense in content , that each subtitle could , and should , and must be explained in several fat and heavy books of truth. Unbelivable appearance in those days of lies.
Start of telling the truth about Serbs. And spiritual connections with Rusians.
This is sign of just touching surface of real story , starting milenia in past , and just displaying surface top of iceberg , and many contents deep bellow surface.
When this change of world game started ? 1999- nato bombing of Serbia. That barbarious act “opened eyes” of Rusian patriots , generals , true Rusian soldiers. They realised what is nato preparing for Rusia , deep down in knock_out , or on their knees , like rotten apple ready to be discarded, and smashed. So , some strong background uragan wind blew over Rusia, and its wise olders decided it is high time to replace Yelcin , and bring Putin in command. To make Rusia Big Again. It is miracle that happened in Rusia , triggered after bombing Serbia.
Attack on Serbia had many , many multi_layers of complicated threads. And all coverred by multiple threads of nato lies and propaganda , starting its evil cover_up decades , better said centuries into past , and forgotten dark days into history.
One , in nato plans , was to have covered that area , balkan , with nato slave countries that would give them free hands to start preparations of attack to Rusia. They simply could not attack Rusia , leaving Serbia free , and not in nato.
That brings us to “Operation Barbarosa” , Hitler plan to attack Rusia , scheduled to 15.5.1941. Hitler also wanted to have serbia on his side , and under his command , so he forced pact with Kingdom of Yugoslavia , in try to pacify Serbs. So pact was signed , and more than 200 hitlers divisions , more than 4,5 million soldierd, were ready to overrun Rusia , but Serbs people on 27.3.1941 denied pact. Hitler in his anget stopped plan to attack Rusia and ordered destruction of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. So after bombing Belgrade , and Serbia , he had to keep about 20 division in yugoslavia, better used in Rusia , and to start attack to Russia. Attack happened 22.6.1941. In that meantime , Rusian generals were able to urgently prepare red army for defense , something they suceeded , something did not , as hitler begun attack. But this delay caused that his armies were found in cold winter before Moscow , and not in Moscow , and not close to Ural , if he started as was previusly planned. Of course that , probably unintentional help from Serbs , did have some liitle help in later victory of red army ,
Those couple of examples show impostance of serbian people. In total number of world population , serbs score , about 1000 : 1 , rather small percentage , pro mille likely, but their actions , or reactions influenced course of world history events. So it shows that their real value is probably 100.000 : 1 , or maybe more. They are like catalyst , very small quantities regulate very big quantities.
And that nato planners very well know , and try to hide , as kosmet area , of approx 10.000 km squar , has about 500 billions $ worth of ores , coal , and other values deep undergrond.
They are in hunt for Serbian people , as in earlier practice , of killing 70.000.000 native indians , so they could settle in america. Better said in hunt for peoples souls. That is high value of hunt. They are searching , throughout whole world , for righteous people with righteous souls , as those souls shine like lighthouse in darkness , but illuminating another people , yet not aware of their true value , as human being , not a slave in multinational company.
And that also explains why nato spread 10_ 15 tons of uranuim ammunition in kosmet , serbia. They wanted to kill as more as possible , and as long as possible , until uranium produces disease , for many years to come.
Teritory of Kosmet has very special importance , through history when serbian kings rulled there , they built about 1.200 ortodox serbian churches there , more than 100 monasterys , in 1250 year , pecka patrijarsija was built there , throne of serbian ortodox church. There were 3.600 church bells there , and every ocupaton force , begining with ottoman empire solders , and others latter on , dismounted those bells , and shipped them home , or simply melted them into guns.
So Kosmet is highly concentrated spiritual space , and that is why usa planted Bondsteel base there , on land of serbian farmers. What research their specialists conduct there , when there is no witness to observe.?
One could also mention of role and interests of Vatican for serbs and their church, but that is another one , among other stories about causes for attacks on Serbia.
So , as noam chomsky said , yugoslavia , but meaning Serbia , was marked for destruction …
To be continued , as truth comes to surface , in due time …
Many thanks for this valuable presentation of Serbia’s pivotal role in WW2 and since.
A most interesting land. Historic home of singers of epic tales, a la Homer.
The ubiquity of the term “balkanization” makes it easy to overlook or never to notice the important differences and historic roles of the different peoples and nations of the Balkans. The term trivializes all of those people and nations, as though they were a bunch of squabbling children.
This conveniently patronizing view of Balkan countries and peoples also leads to casting them, their histories, their dynasties, etc. in a ridiculous “Ruritanian” light. Of course these dynasties and and histories are no more “ridiculous” than similar principalities in Western Europe—such as the princes of Saxe-Coburg, nobodies who happened to marry into the English (actually, basically German) royal family and become the Windsors.
Postwar Yugo was led by the partisan leader Joseph Broz Tito. I wonder whether his background wasn’t a constant thorn in the side of neoliberals in the West. Probably they really wanted to make an example of Yugoslavia. Because, Yugoslavia itself was an example of a different kind of state, that they wanted to eradicate.
The alacrity with which Germany “recognized” the new state of Croatia in I think 1991—a move akin to the USA “recognizing” Israel and thus actually giving it the breath of life—did not escape my notice.
“I wonder whether his background wasn’t a constant thorn in the side of neoliberals in the West.”
Or maybe it was not?
He got Churchill’s help during WW2 and he got Margrethe Thatcher on his funeral (so much for the liberal “thorn”)
It seams that Tito was never real communist.
His relations with the “West” were often much closer than many can imagine.
Tito was strange fish that knew to the perfection how to use advantage of his symbiotic (East-West) environment.
He was fed by the both sides of isle through his blackmailing of both sides (with the opposite side).
“Communist” Yugoslavia as creation, was ephemera mirage.Built in way, not to last after Tito was gone.
With collapsing “communism” Yugoslavia’s ideal (East-West) hide out built on the border of the 2 ideologies was destroyed. Leaving thus Yugoslavia exposed to destruction.
Germany “recognition” was invitation (to the secessionist’s Croatia, Slovenia) for open conflict with Yugoslav army. It was invitation to civil war and destruction of Yugoslavia.
From historic perspective it was accomplished German victory in the Balkans (over the Serbs) and historic revisionism of the WW1.
I can see that the situ was far more complicated from viewing most of the film on Mikhailovitch (sp?) that is linked somewhere on this thread.
Yes, Tito must have had some friends in the West in order to survive as long as he did.
How would it have been better to construct the country of Yugoslavia than what actually occurred? Under what kind of leadership/government? Perhaps there was a kind of Tito personality cult in Yugo.
One must not forget that Yugoslavia ( The Kingdom of Yugoslavia ) already existed before Tito.
Had the British dropped weapons and supplies to the royalist Chetnik resistance led by Draza Mihajlovic rather than the communist Partisan resistance led by Tito there may well have been a Kingdom of Yugoslavia after the end of WWII as well.
George Orwell mentions how the British press and and the BBC often credited Tito’s Partisans
for Chetnik victories against the Germans in his original unpublished preface to Animal Farm titled The Freedom of the Press.
… ” Had the British dropped weapons and supplies to royallist Chetnik resistance …
Well , British DID drop weapons to Chetniks led by Draza Mihajlovic ,
… But for a while…
Then for some time they dropped help in weapons and other supplies for both Draza chetniks , and to J B Tito partisans , and latter , to partisans mostly,…
Strange as it sounds , but it was so .. Many reasons , many plans for future ..
General Draza led chetniks , and he led them as royal officer
representing King of Yugoslavia.
King of Yugoslavia was very close to Royal family of England , to english kings and Queen. He was something like , fifth or sixth in line for English throne. So very close . in war years he lived in middle of London , under very nose of Winston Churchill.
But Churchill did not plan to return him to his throne as Yugoslavian King , but he prefferd comunist leader Tito to rule Yugoslavia after end of Ww2.
Very interesting , but why ? One could suppose that prime minister of british empire would hate comunnists , and support king of yugoslavia , cousin of english throne.
That poses question who really Tito was ?
Dear communist leader against loved king cousin of English Queen ! Very logical !
Tito was supposed to be son of some poor peasant from some poor village between croatia and slovenia … But what if he was not that one he was represented offically.
During his many meetings , with Churchill , churchil said to Tito , that he consideres Tito as his spiritual son , and Tito replied that he consideres Churchill as his spiritual father. See ? Who might expect such word of devotion from one famous english Sir Winston , to some poor hated comunist leader.?
There are many fact not known aside. Tito guested english queen elisabth II , at his modest perfect privte island Brioni , and perfectly played piano for his guest. Son of poor vilager plays piano for english queen. He was also perfect fencer. He took place in world olympics games in fencing , that would be equvalent name , presentlly , fof chamionship in fancing in that days empire of Austro_ humgary. And participiants to that championship were old counts , old dukes , old bàrons , old von this , and old von that, king officers , that only trained fencing and hores riding , and comes some poor guy , and takes silver medal from them.! Interesting !
Not much advertised , but known anyway he was member of mason logue , with rank of 33rd order. And that logue , membered members of royal famillies , and so ranks. Not some ordinary mason logue. Also interesting.
And sir winston decides to help some poor comunist leader , during those days in ww2. He even sent his own son , as personal representative in british military observation mission at partisans. To Tito , not to Draza. And eventuall Draza looses , but Tito wins.
There were serious plans prepared for Tito in organization of after Ww2. And he gave his share of his complication and traps he placed for serbs , that are very complicating life to serbs even in noedays. Traces of his evil plans spread his poison nowdays.
But remember that he played piano to english queen Elisabeth II _
… Because he was also King , …
But that is another set of forggoten data , still hidden in top secret files of imperial austrian service , vatican secret service , primarly , british secret service , nkvd and kominterna files , washington services filles, and other unmentionable files…
I wish I can tell you that I have answer but I do not have it.
All I can tell you is that creators of Yugoslavia were not in the service of the country.
They were more using Yugoslavia for their own needs, objectives, than anything else.
I honestly don’t know what kind of leadership is needed when one wants to unite people that really never lived together before.
On must love what one creates and believe in what one does I guess…
Maybe we as people, were not ready for such challenges altogether (not to put everything on the leaders)
Once problems start to occur the animosities start to grow and egoistic survival instincts are winners over the reason or anything that is subliminal.
Take look at EU at the moment.
If economic crisis gets deeper EU will fall apart.
And they were pushing in the grave Yugoslavia instead of saving country or at least preventing the bloodshed of civil war….Today they are haunted by their own deeds, for bringing destruction…
Yugoslavia was for period of time a true crossroads of East and West.
Meeting place of Western and Eastern civilization, incarnated in legacy of Roman Empire.
The heritage of Western Roman and Eastern Byzantine civilization.
With all the cultural richness and burden of the past as well.
Yugoslavia was meeting place with the Islam and Christianity
And all that differences within the same ethnic roots.
We were blessed and cursed in the same time.
We were the victims of centuries of animosities that were existing between West and East.
And instead of preserving that unity for the rest of humanity they wanted that we kill each other
So that they can make quick profits over our misery and discords.
Yes there was deliberate, wide spread Tito’s personality cult.
That was party mimic of usual USSR methods.
Thank you for your clear and informative comments.
I praise Allah the most high (and as his mercy to the worlds might say: “is there any beside him worth worshipping?”) and you for your laudatory explanation of the significance to humanity of Serbia. As Jeff Bridges(?) mentioned in an acceptance speech for something at the golden globes: it’s the trim tab! That trim tab, being the destruction of , attempted destruction of the Serbian people. A trim tab will start a very large rudder moving and ultimately the ship into another direction. Looks to me that the ark was definitely turned via trim tab at that time.
An excellent article. I would, however, like to make a few points.
First of all, who are liberals ? One can safely say they are either part of the elite in the US, or are controlled by the elite. To them liberal capitalism, based on globalism, is all that counts.
When we come to Yugoslavia, we are talking about two Yugoslavia’s. The Yugoslavia of 1991 was the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, made up of six republics, with Serbs living in five of them. The country was an artificial communist creation, the intent being to split the Orthodox Serbs and prevent them unifying and looking towards Orthodox Russia. In the civil war which ensued, the Serbs were accused of aggression, which is absurd. For example, there is no way that Serbs could ever enact “aggression” against Bosnia and Herzegovina, as in 1375 Bosnia and Herzegovina was united with Serbia, as both kingdoms were made up entirely of Serbs. The same situation with Croatia. The capital city of Croatia is Zagreb. However, the name is derived from the Serbian town of Za Breg, which the Croats converted into Zagreb. Also, as late as the 18th century, the entire Dalmation coast was made up of Orthodox Serbs, who were forced to convert to the Catholic faith. Austrian charts prove it. Croats are having trouble explaining the existance of Orthodox monasteries in current day Dalmatia, which is now part of Croatia, but in 1375 huge parts of Dalmatia were part of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
When the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia collapsed, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was created, and it was made up of Serbia and Montenegro. NATO attacked it in 1999 without declaration of war, the intent being to weaken Serbia by giving independence to the Province of Kosovo and Metohija, which holds 1,300 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries. The province is rich in raw materials. NATO expected a quick victory. Instead it got a 77 day air campaign, during which it lost 137 combat aircraft and 25 helicopters, while hospitals in Albania were filled with NATO wounded. NATO’s campaign was witnessed by Russian intelligence officers on the ground. NATO gave the Russians a free show of it’s “capabilities”, including the loss of one F-117 stealth bomber and one B-2 stealth bomber. For the Russians it must have been a bonanza of free intelligence data.
Both Yugoslavia’s did not become an object of destruction because they refused to privatize. That is a simplistic interpretation of the facts. They were in fact attacked, one way or another, in order to subdue the Serbian ethnic, political and military presence in the Balkans before NATO turned on Russia. Both Serbs and Russians are Orthodox Christians. The attempt only partially succeeded. For example, in 1999 the fake “Republic of Kosovo” was never recognized by the UN.
The 1999 NATO attack against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia can be placed in the context of invasions which the US enacted against Korea in the 1950’s and against Vietnam in the 1960’s and 1970’s. It was a question of geopolitics. The US needed Korea and Vietnam for a potential pincer attack against China, once the country was destabilzied. This plan failed. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was attacked to prevent a possible Russian political and military presence in the Balkans. The plan only partially succeeded. It’s debatable if the term “partial success” can be used at all.
This type of geopolitical warfare has certainly eroded any political credibility the US had in 1945. In fact it has certainly weakened NATO, whose days are most probably numbered. After all, who wants to fight and die for the interests of Wall Street.
I agree, and here I have a Greek video, where Nikos Lygeros, prof. of strategic studies talks at length about Balkans and the NATO expansion. He discusses the Orthodoxy and others. He talks about the mess with Kosovo. Somewhere around 1:26 he shows NATO expansion maps, which have white spot inside the NATO “possessions”. The spot is Yugoslavia, which NATO was desperate to take, which was precisely the reason why Yugoslavia was attacked.
Who are the liberals? Why they are the useful idiots of the Oligarchical class. That’s why they are allowed to dominate the corporate media while those who ask genuine questions are barred from the public discourse.
They are mercenaries, bought by the top liberals, the oligarchs. Just look at Hollywood celebrities. Most are anti-Trump. They just love the present status quo.
The neo-liberals sure do love their Nazis and fanatics.
Thank you for articulating the absurdity of the empire’s justifications, as they foment war and commit atrocities worldwide. Up is down, right is wrong, in this world where their immorality and hypocrisy rule. The goal is total subjugation, through the fabrication of history and the destruction of people, who’ve stood against this same cabal for centuries.
It’s no wonder that they have again allied with the vile offspring of Catholic Croatian/Ukrainian Nazis and muslim extremists. From the end of WWII, the Anglo-Zionist empire has purposely buried the Genocide of Orthodox Slavs. In the Nazi puppet state of Croatia alone, the Vatican and Germans used these same Croats and Bosnian muslims to exterminate hundreds of thousands of Serbs (German records indicate approximately 750,000. Croatians claimed they killed over 1,000,000), along with thousands of Jews and gypsies, during WWII. Their atrocities were purposely hidden all these years. Croatians were a special breed of Nazi, they even had entire concentration camps dedicated to the extermination of Serbian children.
One minor point of contention, it was not the partisans that forestalled operation Barbarossa for a critical six weeks and provided continued resistance during WWII. It was the Yugoslav army, popularly known as the Chetniks, that was the first allied resistance in occupied Europe and comprised the overwhelming majority of resistance against the Nazis.
It is completely understandable to credit the partisans. Only in the last 20 years, has England and the U.S. began to declassify WWII records relating to Yugoslavia. The allies did everything in their power to attribute the defense and liberation of Yugoslavia to Tito because they had wanted to take control of Yugoslavia for themselves. The USSR and the western allies had to embellish the role of Tito and the partisans to cover up the Croatian and muslim genocide and to justify the absolute betrayal of the Serbian monarchy ( the rulers of Yugoslavia) and the Serbian people.
For your review, I am linking two documentaries that I have posted here in past comment sections, that illustrate this contrast in narratives, as the historical records have become declassified.
1.)Vatican Ratlines, produced in 1991, details the crimes of the Croatian Ustashi and the subsequent operation to smuggle the Nazis out of Europe. (Later, the story of the Ratlines was changed by the empire’s propaganda machine, focusing on Germany and not Croatia, to protect the Vatican and the narrative of the 90s’.) Unfortunately, it was made before England and the U.S. declassified WWII records relating to Yugoslavia and the partisan charade.
2.) Draza Mihailovich documentary, produced in 2015. The hero who led the first resistance movement against Hitler, in Occupied Europe. The real story of Serbian resistance In WWII Yugoslavia.
Speaking of Mass Psychosis, David Penner does a great job of going….. most of the way……. into the Dark Hole Where There Used to be a Soul …not just in 21st Century American Liberals….and Fake Leftists and even demented uber-racist morons…that think they are “right”.
But he hasn’t hit bottom yet.
My little strung out (for lack of time and energy…not ideas!) series of mini-essays entitled Demons, Psychopaths and Cannibals hints at what you’ll find at the bottom of the well: “Humans” literally eating other humans.
Unthinkable?? Not at all, if your humanity, and your mind has been liberally destroyed!
And, believe it or not, the Liberal Elite are pushing not only pedophilia as “good for the children”
Documentation: https://youtu.be/76BiUSEcq8E Ruth Bader Ginsburg Trying to DESTROY YOU and Lower Age of Consent to 12 !!! but the “power benefits” of tasting some of “the pizza”….before disposing of the rest of it.
But that’s Yesterday’s News. James Alefantis (J’aime les enfants….I love infants) of Comet Ping Pong And Pizza and all that a false flag shooter stuff (got the hard drive…good job, shooter!) shut Alex Jones up over…you know……old, old news by now.
Cable News Network (CNN) can now be justifiably re-named Cannibal News Network for sending this soy boy journalist (he doesn’t really want to…but he DOES taste the brains…you the viewers might too, some day…subliminal message…..eliminate yourselves on our behalf, morons……) to the banks of a far away river…where TODAY…the tribes on one side will not cross to the other side…for fear of becoming a cannibal’s meal:
CNN Reporter Eats Human Brains on TV
You say it has to be “Fake News”??
Fine! Then why is CNN spreading it??
Making it more “normal”??
I think I know why.
My initial installment of Demons, Psychopaths and Cannibals posted here
But let’s tie this example of the Hereditary Principle of Causality to some specific individuals, okay?
I certainly don’t agree with Neon Revolt on everything…..but at the start of this “all the way down to the bottom of the well” article of his, I do 100% endorse his statement that
“Politics is Downstream of Culture”.
And you’ll find a lot of familiar political enemies, Stalwarts of the Empire from LeGarde to Soros …to some interesting, lesser known names of billionaires in his article, like the Canadian “Jewish” guy mover and shaker in the Clinton Foundation….in the article. (it’s not for their Clintonesque Glory…they are just Cabal Slaves and Conveyors…)
But I’m still searching for other Cannibal references .neon provided around that pre Hallowwen time 2018…..like the Elite Members Only Restaurant in Los Angeles County….where certain (ahem) human “delicacies” are on the menu and Neon (not me) presented documentation that Chelsea Clinton was a charter member and enthusiastic “booster” of the establishment. The menu was hacked.
I don’t know. But I would wager Neon is more right on this than wrong.
Let the courts decide, if we can get some judges that don’t support the New World Order Policy of Cannibalizing Humanity…on orders of the so-called “Elites”.
Because THAT …..their fundamental policy commitment (Depopulation of the Planet) is the generative principle, the Hereditary Principle of Causality that explains just where this Mad House Stuff…….. so well polemicized in David Penner’s article….(but wait, folks! There’s more!)……”stems” from.
What is a psychosis? Australians were told that Julian Knight was suffering from a psychosis, when he believed he was shooting Martians during the Hoddle Street Massacre in Clifton Hill, Melbourne, in 1987. But this massacre was required for a political ideology, and once you stop and consider so many of the events you have written about, you must realise your heading is totally misleading.
When Shakespeare wrote; “Friends, Romans, countrymen; lend me your ears. I come not to praise Caesar but to bury him. The evil that men do live after them, the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar”, he was laying the very foundations of all propaganda that has been used ad finitum to ferment wars and to destroy opposition and of course to steal wealth. It is no different today.
You lay the blame at the feet of cattle, the ‘sheeple’ who too lazy to get off their backsides and discover truth, but rather have ‘their own’ truths fed to them by paid liars, originally by printed media and then later by the talking heads of MSM, and backed up by the ‘paid liars’ from the halls of education.
For those that refuse to believe the lies, well they have always been labelled ‘Heretics’ and then quite often burnt at the stake. That happened 2000 years ago and it happens today.
The left and the right sides of political correctness are again simple inventions to control the required non-debates that permit us all to be utterly used, abused and controlled by the select few, and again heretics are not welcome.
If you wish to know why the West is collapsing today, there are many reasons, but by far the largest reason is that those that control us have stolen everything, but most of all they have stolen the truth. Virtually everything our society is based on is a lie.
A psychosis is a mental condition. being fed bullshit via our education system, our MSM and our governments is not a psychosis, but simply lies, lies and more bloody lies.
Andrew, again I love your comment, particularly where you are saying:
“You lay the blame at the feet of cattle, the ‘sheeple’ who too lazy to get off their backsides and discover truth, but rather have ‘their own’ truths fed to them by paid liars, originally by printed media and then later by the talking heads of MSM, and backed up by the ‘paid liars’ from the halls of education.
For those that refuse to believe the lies, well they have always been labelled ‘Heretics’ and then quite often burnt at the stake. That happened 2000 years ago and it happens today. ”
Education is where “manure throwing” starts, but it continues in TV and other MSM outlets. Also, very often the ones who do not accept the lies are called fascists. One Greek Lawyer (accused of being fascist) said Fascism is just another face of Communism and “I am” just patriot.
Also, it is often correctly repeated that the so called Western Democracy has nothing to do with Athenian Democracy, which was based on totally different principles.
”Also, it is often correctly repeated that the so called Western Democracy has nothing to do with Athenian Democracy, which was based on totally different principles.”
Well, yes and no. Athenian democracy had no franchise for the slaves, just like today’s Western democracy doesn’t give the franchise to the World’s oppressed countries and peoples to promote independent candidates in Western elections. On the other hand, a striking difference is that Western democracy promotes feminism and faggotry to rally ”progressive” support for continued imperialist violence and oppression.
Nussi, while I am not arguing your point, I would like to point two lies about ancient Greek world:
1. Slaves. Vast majority of them were ex-citizens of their own city, who due to debts had to sell themselves to the citizens in order to pay off the debts. The rest were other fellow Greeks who happened to be taken during constant fraternal wars between the Cities.
Not a very known fact, about how Greeks referred to people in general (I am writing the words here as they sound):
a) Emis (We the people of the City)
b) Kseni or Ali (the other Greeks). Notice that today the word Kseni is used to refer to the foreigners.
c) Varvari (barbarians all non Greeks)
2. Elotes (Helots) in Sparta. Contrary to popular belief, they were their own people (Lakones/people from Lakonia) who did not make it into to the Citizenship, because Sparta had a rule saying that only people who served in their military were allowed to be citizens. Helots were getting paid for the services, like working the fields and other work, they were not slaves.
“the largest reason is that those that control us have stolen everything, but most of all they have stolen the truth.”
Listen to the yemenis, listen to them speak. They know exactly who controls the strings.
These people are sick, starved, tortured and bombed daily and yet, somehow, they are more educated than your fellow countrymen.
These are people ignored by the rest of the world, left at the mercy of a barbaric tribe, are just fighting for the right to breathe and they know more than you.
You are happy you are fed you are educated.
What more could you possibly want to start asking yourself hmmm wait a minute?
My government has admitted to horrors and crimes against civilians in the war on Vietnam and in the war on Iraq and Afghanistan…
Madeline Albright has said that 500 000 murdered children is worth it to steal oil and control land…
Hilary Clinton laughed like a demon when she saw what happened to Gaddafi and his country
George Bush said he will never apologize after admitting that they just commited the worst crime of humanity: a war of agression
Mattis just said a week ago that there wasn’t a chemical attack when we unleashed 103 rockets on civilians on Damascus
Natanyahoo said in 1995 in an interview on national television that militant islamists will bring down the world trade center.
These are all instances that happened on national television and were widely reported.
My opinion is yes there are God fearing and/or self respecting people in the west who actually care what their elected goverment is inflicting on innocents with their tax money and tacit agreement and are trying to do something about it, but the majority suspects something fishy is going on and simply doesn’t care. They chose to not care and this isn’t new. How do you think their ancestors lived in colonial times?
This is a choice an individual person makes. Do you really think in the age of internet where the truth isn’t hidden in an obscure book or in another land but is literally a click away, we can still make excuses like this?
I am going to be frank:
When you, the west, stop making excuses for your mistakes and start facing what you ve become, like some countries in the east are sacrificing everything to stand with dignity and get out of the gutter they ve been drowning in the past centuries, maybe there will be some hope for you. But I am afraid as long as the empire keeps throwing scraps your way to keep your exceedingly surprising docile nature fed that’s not going to happen.
The you is meant as in a general plural form and not addressed to the op.
You have made some assumptions, of which I would have to disagree.
“Listen to the Yemenis, ~ they are more educated than your fellow countrymen.” This is basically flawed. How can you compare the Yemenis with Australians? Tony Mundane would vehemently oppose this assumption, and offer you to step outside.
The Yemenis are fighting for their homeland against oppressors, and with some help I believe from the Iranians they appear to be winning.
“they (the Yemenis) know more than you.” I beg your pardon! In what sphere do the Yemenis know more that I know?
“You are happy you are fed you are educated.” Am I happy? Am I fed? I haven’t even seen the loaves and the fishes yet, but then just how am I fed? And as for being ‘educated’, well let me tell you that I was a student at Heidelberg Tech! That’s in Heidelberg, and the school was opposite to the Heidelberg Repatriation Hospital.
But then, back in those days we were also taught that our education starts only after we leave school. Thus I guess that I was rather naïve for many years until I started running into the proverbial brick wall which caused me headaches and nose bleeds, and it was only then that my education really started.
That was when I would say; “They wouldn’t do that” and I found out that that was exactly what they had done. Now that’s an education!
“My government has admitted to horrors and crimes against civilians in the war on Vietnam and in the war on Iraq and Afghanistan…” So What! My government hasn’t made any such admissions, and they now call our armed forces ‘Peacekeepers’! My Godfather; George Orwell must be laughing in his grave at that.
Madeline Albright, Hillary Rodham Clinton, George Bush (Poppy) and George Bush Jnr, are not Australians, though we do have a ‘Little Bush’ in little Johnny Howard, and everybody knows that Bibi Netanyahu was born in Israel, but then educated in New York along with Donald Trump. But hey! old Rupert Murdoch was an Aussie.
“My opinion is yes there are God fearing and/or self respecting people in the west who actually care what their elected government is inflicting on innocents with their tax money and tacit agreement and are trying to do something about it, but the majority suspects something fishy is going on and simply doesn’t care.”
Well that is simply your opinion, but thank goodness you are not ‘Lot’ and we are not in Sodom and Gomorrah.
“Do you really think in the age of internet where the truth isn’t hidden in an obscure book or in another land but is literally a click away, we can still make excuses like this?”
Oh you poor fellow! Has somebody stolen your white cane and kicked your seeing eye dog? In this age of the Internet!!!! Really! For heaven’s sake, take a look around you. In this day of the Internet everybody walks round with their ‘I-Pad’ in hand and staring unseeing into that mind-boggling, soul sapping device, that creates more ignorance than any amount of opium or cocaine.
You know, one of the greatest things about this site is that we get contributors from all over the world, and we get insights to a great variety of thinkers, many of them far better than I. Also, never make the mistake of thinking that access to ‘truths’ is far easier today than it was in centuries past. That is not correct as in today’s world the truth can be very well hidden in the chaff. And should you really look you will find that most people in previous years when we had little or no information were far greater thinkers than today.
Very well said Mr, Occidentosis,
There are no valid excuses, only comforting (for a while) explanations, which are still lies, however well-dressed.
Mr MacGregor introduced the concept of constant lies. In fact it is the constant environment of lying which leads to cognitive dissonance (where the words don’t match what you can see clearly with your own eyes) that leads to psychosis for the unwary. Carefully picking one’s way through the lies and replacing them with a more truthful view takes time and patience. There is no magic bullet or pill that will do it for you.
Thanks for posting this here.
Dear one minion,
Please understand this fact. A psychosis is a mental condition, often associated with schizophrenia.
Your statement; “In fact it is the constant environment of lying which leads to cognitive dissonance (where the words don’t match what you can see clearly with your own eyes) that leads to psychosis for the unwary” is not correct.
People residing in such an environment do not suffer from any psychosis; they simply cannot comprehend any factual truths and thus suffer from ignorance and stupidity, and that is a physical condition, not a mental one.
You are correct though in regard to the magic bullet or the pill!
It is sometimes extremely difficult to tolerate the ignorant.
To have a clear understanding of what a psychosis is, there is nothing better than to witness one’s eldest child actually suffering a psychosis in the onslaught of schizophrenia.
And then to traverse our society amongst the idiots and the brain dead, which permeates our cities, and our lives, to make one realise that their ignorance, their stupidity and their intelligence, or lack thereof, is not a mental infliction, but rather a physical condition often taught in our educational system today.
Some may believe that this affliction started when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, but I cannot credit that superstition as the original lie. Rather I would go back to the time of Nero when Josephus after the battles of Galilee submitted himself to the custody of the Roman General Vespasian and permitted himself to be taken to Rome where he attained ultimate power. That single act by Vespasian ensured that the Jewish Roman war was in fact won by the Jews, not the Romans as history tells us, and it is from this event that the lies of western civilisation emerged.
To have a clear understanding of what psychosis is, Mr MacGregor, I can only submit that one must have experienced such a state oneself. I would also submit that the long forgotten and local wrangles of Josephus and Vespasian do not even remotely figure in the development of such a state today, though they may figure in developments in other types of states.
And that one minion is the classic reason of why it is difficult to tolerate ignoramuses.
Those afflicted by a psychosis can never comprehend that they are suffering a psychosis, but those witnessing the event soon understand the situation really well.
You do understand that a psychosis is most often a passing, temporary state of varying duration, I hope, and that it can afflict anyone, at any age, ‘schizophrenic’ or not? IE a person can be psychotic on one day but not on the next?
When the state has passed, who is better placed to understand it, the participant or the observer?
This is rapidly going off-topic so I will end my contribution here.
An excellent article!
Humanitarian interventionism is derived from the “just war” concept which exists in various religious texts in both Christian and Muslim religions.
This ideology or “church” of humanitarian interventionism has been successfully marketed and sold to the Western societies (and Wahabi) societies. My theory is that these materialistic societies have been spiritually hollowed out, so any ideology of a pseudo -religious order gives their elites a higher calling and the spiritual fulfillment that they severely lack. This sometimes even manifests itself as a “messiah complex”, as can be observed in various celebrities such as Bono or Angelina Jolie…
I do not believe that there is a historical precedent for such a murderous ideology. It is a very specific symptom of today’s maladjusted society.
_ ” invasion of normandy … Only after it was clear that nazis were going to loose war ” _
Yes , this also helps explaining relations between usa and Rusia , even at that time , during ww2 , loog before cold war started between. Why did so called allies waited so long before they opened that “second front”… After many and urgent Stalins request to open that front and ease pressure on red army imposed by hitler armies in Rusia. No they waited , and waited . why ? So Rusians get more and more killed soldiers and more Rusian blood on earth. Opening of 2 front was expected in 1943 , but happened in june 1944. Americans and british armies first marched on itally , but at slow and leisurelly pace. Itallians noticed that and coined some song describing advance of american soldiers, anď it goes something , as i recall , … ” con donna e con vino non si arriva a Casino…” . casino was stronghold in itally , defended by german army.
But when they realised that Red army could conquer germany by its own force, they hurried and started 2 front , to reach to free , but at least half of germany , since Rusian already reached berlin. They also hurried , as they had many nazy friend to save before Rusians get them. Famous gestapo miller , and his valuable files , and other generals and high ranking ss abwher , intelligence and counter_intelligence german experts on Rusia had to be gathered , transported to usa , to organize new intelligence angencies in usa , for actions against Rusia. So , it may be said that cold war begun before ww2 ended. Of course, there were other scientists to be saved , for example werner von braun , rocket bombs expert . his famous v_1 and v_2 bombing london , had to be modernized.
Even there were some rumors that even those nukes that usa dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki were not made in usa , but made in germany. Usa had time to transport bombs over ocean , and modify bombers for heavy weight nukes.
So present day naming american leaders nazis , seems to have some historical background. german nazis helping to educate usa nazis. And so , war games continue with new faces.
_regarding name ” church of humanitarian interventionisms ” _
One should remind that nato bombing of serbia in 1999
was code named ” operation merciful angel ” . just another similarity.
My dear fellow (sorry I can’t read your name), thank you for your great insights all along the thread, I’ve read them all with sincere interest.
About the Italian song, the correct verse is: “Con le donne e col vino non si arriva a Cassino” (transl. “with women and with wine one cannot reach Cassino”).
And yes, the americans in Italy were slow-paced; part of the population seemed to love them, the other part felt like the King just betrayed his country, and still there were some die-hard national divisions (most of them not being official fascist armies, but actually national state armies) which kept fighting the allies. Some of them are famous for having kept the US troops for months, despite the italians (and germans) being only a few, under the famous Linea Gotica.
Amongst the more famous divisions stood the Brigata Bersaglieri and the glorious X Mas which later righteously obtained the honour to arms by the British generals. Search in Youtube, you’ll find lot of stuff on the “X flottiglia Mas” with english subs.
Well , verses of mentioned italian song i heard many years ago ,
but since i do not read or write italian , i just wrote lines by sense.
I did not translate words for those reasons. But i guessed meaning.
Hope you heard of etrurci tribe , ancient serbs in italy .
So , i guessed by common understanding.
And , words you could not discern , mean , white eagle , transcribed.
In all of mankind’s history, there has never been more damage done than by people who “thought they were doing the right thing”.
Lucy, from the Peanuts cartoons
Well spoken Lucy
But even ordinary people who “thought they were doing the right thing” were doing the same damage in every day life… Hubris and human vanity are vastly underestimated as potential danger for everybody.
” But even ordinary people who “thought they were doing the right thing” were doing the same damage in every day life… Hubris and human vanity are vastly underestimated as potential danger for everybody.”
What history ? The one written by the victors, who want to paint themselves just alike the fellow little poor sucker citizen ?
Based on my own experiences, it’s somewhat different, – it’s greed and obedience to authority – which are the main drivers for ‘damage’, both concepts are in fact depersonalizations, greed is a drive, a condition, nowadays labelled the very ‘substance’ which agitates the whole – an abstract concept, an externalisation into an absolute factoid like matter, and the latter the dispensation of responsibility to a superior in a hierarchy – an abstract concept again, used to defuse responsibility and it’s immediate consequences into an after and/or higher. Both are very deliberate structures to order, and by that to create potential for action.
In mythical time it’s was still known that one dealt with demons and atleast paid some attention to the possible fallouts. Today in the total barbarity of Positivism any remnants of restrain have been pushed away for the alchemistic Golems now scorching everything, running amok, totally out of control.
All of it has been planned very deliberatly by generation after generation to gain Dominion over the World – TOTAL WAR it has been all along !
Of great interest is the tiny mention of Vitalay Churkin of the Russian Federation in this brilliant, courageous post, a deeply experienced and respected diplomat. One can read here why he was assassinated and so, by whom.
Why do people refer to uranium as “depleted” as if it is something benign?
It is uranium and it is radioactive.
People refer to uranium as “depleted” because that it is exact and only name for “depleted” uranium (used for production of that kind of ammunition).
Yes it is radioactive and that radiation doesn’t pollute air only but also drinking water deep underground
That radiations in some aspects can last for thousands of years
Even many NATO troops (US in Iraq and Italians on Kosovo) got affected by that radiation in greater numbers.
Not to mention the devastation produced on Iraqi and Serbian population that lasts for decades already and is manifested in epidemic (many types of) cancers and leukemia and child birth defects…
It should be forbidden and declared crime against humanity to use those ammunition.
But since U.S. is the only terrorist country using it…..
It’s not the radiation, it’s the toxicity. DU really isn’t radioactive enough to matter. This is a common but important misconception. Most heavy metals are toxic but Uranium is especially bad.
I accept gladly your correction.
Depleted Uranium or DU is a by product of nuclear fision ….. nuclear waste which has a very long lifetime …. It has no commercial value except… as cheap weight because it is heavier than lead – lead being more expensive – thus DU can be used in munitions.
Once the DU x reactor has been cooled it is in a passive state – “yet it still needs gloves and breathing apparatus if handing it” …..
The military discovered decades ago that this DU when shaped into a cone , placed on the end of an explosive charge and fired from an artillary or tank at an enemy tank ….. the impact of the DU shell at “high velocity” would cause the DU to instantly ignite and burn at extremely high temperature s Thus on impact it instantly ate its way into the enemy tank or whatever and the following charge attached did the rest. The resultant energised DU became vaporised . It also coated surrounding areas in nano particles which could be breathed in and/or ingested thru skin. Thus victims would slowly rot over a decade or two to an early death.
The second advantage with DU munitions was that the military firing them from tanks at enemy tanks could sit further away say 4000 metres to gain a kill effect than that of the enemy using conventional munitions who had to be closer at 3000 metres… Clearly DU users would win the tank battle.
The environment plus local population (including any soldiers on either side )became the loser s too with nano particles infecting the soil and water ways/table .. slowly killing all over decades who came in contact with it.
Thank you for your exhaustive explanation ross a.
@ ross a
_ ” the second advantage with DU munitions was … ” …
Nice explanation of military advantages of uses of du .
For better efficiency… From longer distances ,..
But against whom those amunitions were used throughout world ,
statistically speaking… Like list of countries ,..quantities used_…
Question is are on this list states like
Texas, California , Iowa , Idaho , Alaska Hawai , Carolina , New England , …
Some 52 of them on list of attacked , victims ,…
Did some army use such du amunitios against people of those states …
” highly likely ” , like , no…
Not used there , against those people…
But there are countries those ammunition were used quite a lot ,
and certainly unneccesarily , but most certainly like most intentionaly …
What difference if some tank was hit from 4km , instead from 3 km ,
like much safer for attacker.
But if that tank was hit from 3 km with traditional ammunition , tank would be out , with some burned ground around.
But no , it was hit from 4 km , much safer distance ,
Were are ages gone when men fought battles with swords , from 1 meter distance _.
So it is no strange when present age nato wariors are called cowards.
Should i mention battles with battle drones directed from 10.000 kms away.
Safe , brave , brave distance. Killing enemies from 10.000 kms ,
and back home for lunch , take kids from school , see after garden , flowers ,
but , by the way , besides burned tank and its crew ,
that ground is contaminated for thousands of years.
So , it shows to be main and only purpose of using du ammunition.
To contaminate ground for thousand of years,
so many generations of people who are unfortionate enough to have to continue to be there, to die as soon as possible , as much numbers as possible _…
And that shooting tank is just cover up procedure.
How could army using du ammunition explain
we shoot some tree , we shoot some rock , no , hard to explain .
but we shoot a tank. But it is ok. Armies do that. Their aim. Purpose.
Strange but using du ammunition , contaminating ground , it is ok.
But using “unexistable ” “chemical weapons ” , like on ” non existable ” children , but like children actors in tv show in syria ,
organised by production team of ” white helmets ” , tv network from London .
Well , that can not be allowed. Poisoning notexistable victims.
We have to show them that it is not to be allowed.
So we send them warning in form of 103 tomahawk bombs.
To teach them a lesson . that they can not poison their “children actors ” .
That is one state from list of bombarded nations.
Another one is serbia.
Nato used 10-15 tons of du ammunition on kosovo and metohija , during battles with serbian infantry forces defending borders between albania and kosovo and metohija. But nato infantry failed . not a feet of border could they pass.
So they phoned their air force to spread d uranium on kosovo and metohija.
If nato were not able to defeat serbs in infantry batlle ,
than they will surely die after exposition to uranium dust .
after they inhale them. And brave serbian soldiers died.
Remember we are talking about 10 _ 15 TONS of du dispersed.
But , as Dr. Helen Caldicott ( source : globalresearch.ca ) warned :
” ONE MILLIONTH OF A GRAM OF PLUTONIUM IF INHALED CAN CAUSE CANCER ”
So compare quantities of magnitude 10_15 tons , spread out ,
compared to 1 / millionth of gram. when inhaled.
poisoning left as gift from nato.
And , btw , there seems to be one healthyfull of use of uranium.
Like you know , say , chickens ready to be sent for use as food for men.
But there could be some bakciles or viruses left there on skin, of chicken.
So some clever scientist got idea how to empty warehouse of uranim poison.
By inventing , and using procedure known as ” irradiation ” .
You expose that chicken to radiation , and for sure , there are no bakciles left.
But you added radiation level to chicken , as food you send to supermarket.
As radioactive food. For health and benefit of consumers.
@Jiri. It is Uranium depleted of Plutonium — but not enough depleted. Highly radioactive Plutonium atoms — the most poisonous atoms known — go straight for the calcium in your bones. There they sit for years injecting short range alpha particles into the nearby stem cells of your bone marrow, the cells which produce your blood, to make blood cancers. Or they go into your gonads and make you produce horribly deformed children. To breathe the smoke from burning Uranium is bad enough but it is that tiny trace of Plutonium which makes “depleted” Uranium such a horrifying poison. (Info from my physicist friend, Prof. Calman Altman).
This fascinating observation by Brigadier-General Pierre Marie Gallois of the French Army
” that the German elite sought revenge for the fierce Serb resistance during the two world wars, especially with regard to the Serb partisans that held up German divisions that were headed towards Leningrad and Moscow during Operation Barbarossa. ”
would apply even more so to the Greeks who delayed the German army in Greece until September 1944. From the Greek border onward they were further slowed by the Serbs.
And look at Greece and Serbia [ancient allies] today, with the destruction of both countries instigated, led, and managed by Germany.
I second your words.
But not to put everything on Germans there is also role of Vatican (against Serb Orthodoxy) and U.K. and U.S. (against “pro-Russian” Serbs)
Also French (without some exceptions) are now towing the German foreign policy more or less.
Therefore official Paris is not pro-Serb at all ( they used to be pro-Serb after WW1)
U.S., U.K., Germans for different reasons are direct supporters of Greater Albania, directly opposing Serb and Greek interests.
I have some Serbian videos about tchetnicks.
First one starts with a line: “Freedom or Death”:
Same here about Tchetnicks:
“Who says that Serbia is small”:
Our people simply have to wake up from the “narcosis”
My Serb grandfather was killed by the “Chetniks” from his village in 1941 for not renouncing his communist convictions.
My grandmother was left with 6 little children (one died) and they also somehow survived many of Ustasha atrocities on Kozara mountain in Bosnia. They had their house burnt by Usatshe…
My grand grad father had his throat slit by Ustashe for being Serb.
Communists also have committed many crimes during that war as well…
I have never been ultra-nationalist (my best friends before the war were CROATS) and I will not receive moral posturing and any lessons by you or anybody else!
There is no “our people”
They never existed.
Pan-Slavic movement was Croat creation custom made for their needs to create Croat independence through Serbia.
Creation Yugoslavia was the biggest betrayal of the king & Serb elites in the history of Serb people.
And that betrayal by elites continues to the present day.
Of interest may be that when I was in college, studying The Singer of Tales, the language used by these singers of epics was called Serbo-Croatian.
_ ” language used ” _
Katherine , you initiated very complicated item. Very hard to explain.
Name ” Serbo_croatian ” for a language is very confusing , with strong intention to coverup truth. Simply said , only language for that area , southern europe ,is serbian. Spoken by ortodox serbians. But that area , after it lost its kingdom , by occupation from turks , ottoman empire , went through very hard days. Turks forciffully requested occupied people to accept islam , convert from ortodox christianity. Who accepted , was serb with muslim religion. Who did not , suffered hard consequecies , or had to leave his home. Those who left , moved north to ungary and romania , and slowly became hungarian ,romanians. Some went west , to area of present day croatia , and there they were also forced , by influence of vatican , to convert to catholic religion. Those who did , in time became croats. But they were serbs _ catolics. Some groups came to area of present day bosnia , and those who converted to islams were serbs_muslims. Nowdays they are callef bosnjaks. So there are three groups of serbs , with three religions , but they are all serbs , in their roots. Of course , those who under pressure converted religion , wanted to forget that shamefull defeat , and they became envious and angry to those who did not , and stayed in faith of their ancesstors. That tension was course for very nasty wars among brothers. Many people died, during decades of wars.
So , term serbo_croat in fact cover up that it is basic same language . serbian. Since , now there are three different nations on this area , but everybody understands each other perfectlly well , without translator. Could you imagine that german , french and italian people speak same one language , as their own , understand it , but are different nations ?
Songs you mention could not be from serbo_croat language , but only from serbian. Those are traditional serb songs , sung by ” gusle ” traditional instrument of old serbs. ( with one string ). Even wolfgang goethe wanted to learn serbian language , so he could understand those songs in original language, serbian.
Arabian language is spoken in many countries of ME. But nobody tells , he speaks saudi_arabian , or katar_arabian , or syrian_arabian , or iraq_arabian , or lybian_arabian. Arabian is same language for them all. In fact they are all arabs.
“Serbo-Croatian” – because those languages are very similar almost identical really.
And all that went nicely with Yugoslav=pan-Slavic and communist internationalist propaganda of “brotherhood and sisterhood” that never really existed fully.
Ever since Croat independence, Croats did their best to make as many differences (from Serb language) as possible by inventing completely new words….
Hmm, I can appreciate what you are saying.
I do not claim to be very well versed in Yugoslav history, but Northern part of Serbia was subdued by the Austrian Empire, thus creating Croatia. Tito, who maybe was Croat maybe something else, tried to create, as you say pan-slav country on the Kingdom of Yugoslavia’s ashes. He used Serbs to fight Ustashe in WWII. This is somewhat similar to what happened in Ukraine with Polish and/or Austrian Kingdoms messing with Russian world. One-peoples got artificially divided and made hate each other. Unfortunately when we have two political ideologies clashing, blood flows, and I am not trying to whitewash Tchetnicks. They were fighting for what they believed and your grandfather stood on the other side of the barricade, if you will. We saw this behavior in Russia and Greece. To turn the table around on you, how about communists beheading a Priest, his wife and his infant child. The baby was killed just because it was the “devil’s seed”, and this really happened during WWII. My great grandfather was murdered by the communists just because he felt it was his duty as the head of the village to stand up for two people from his village, whom communists wanted to execute.
There is no “Just death” particularly when there is a fraternal war in the country, and I am going to leave it at that.
Sorry my bad.
I thought that you are Croat
I took your comment & links for provocation, thinking that you are accusing me of Serb ultra nationalism with those Tchetnick examples.
That’s what many people from our parts usually do.
But it is in way false because WW2 Tchetnick’s were fighting for Yugoslavia not Serbia.
For some reason you didn’t read attentively enough my comment to you, so I’ll repeat again:.
“Communists also have committed many crimes during that war as well”
I do not justify communist crimes ever.
I am Orthodox Christian much, much closer to Solzhenitsyn than to Stalin.
But I also try to be objective.
Yes there is parallel ((specially now) with religious conflict growing) between Ukraine and Russia and Serbia and Croatia.
Like Serbs and Croats they have the same roots and ever growing differences..
Yes I agree…. Austrian Empire but Vatican’s proselytism also contributed lot to the present situation.
See just situation with the Orthodox church in Ukraine.
Except Serbs and Croats already had one genocide and 2 civil wars.
So the conflict runs much deeper.
Sorry again for my mistake.
@ anonius _ … He used serbs to fight ustashe in ww2 _
Correctly it should be said … He let ustashe to continue killing serbs … And left serbs kiling chetniks , also serbs.. Yes it is complicated. During his command over partisans in ww2 , tito directed divisions in circles from serbia to bosnia , and back again circling around fighting mostly against chetniks , sometimes againßt germans , and practcly never against ustashe. He left ustashe to keep killing serbs , without disturbing them. Famous as most horryfyng concentration camp in europe , by cosmic dimensions evil , in camp jasenovac , kept working , killing serbs , montĥs after ww2 was over and germany surended. That was only camp in europe that had small children as prisoners, killed by hunger mostly. Even german SS oficers were horrified by cosmic crimes done by ustashe over serbs in that camp. Can you imagine camp in europe that horrified SS officers , altough they haď enough of their own kind in germany and poland. Aushwitz was like peaceful camp compared by jasenovac. Germans first killed their prisoners , and letter cremated them. But ustashe in jasenovac threw alive men in cremation chambers.
Ustashe were prime terrorist organisation of that time. Something like isis terrorists in syria. Ritual head chopping , in front tv cameras ! Ustashe also had special knife called srbo_sek ( serb_throat_cutter ) specially fastened to to arm , as blood was sĺippery, and decreased effectivines in killing.( throat cutting ).
But interesting thing was about this killers. First they considered to be honored to be given sacred duty to kill serbs as much as they could. And they tried hard. Hundreds of cut_throats , but in time , killing production effects started to decline, and decline , and killers beçame uselless as killers. And had to be replaced with new blood thirsty ones. They usually had to change groups of killers in about month time. But changing group in a month also showed weak points. They could not keep high standard of killing quota. So had to be replced with mentally ill persons , who could kill without saturation. Only catholic priests had no such problems. They could kill without regret. So great was their hate against serbs. For priests killing serb was not sin in front or God. They proudly participated.
Ustashe were ones that organised attentat on King Alexander of Yugoslavia , in France , in 1934 . and they had close connection with vàtican , and their silent blessing to endure in ķilling serbs. Many catollic priests visited jasenovac , and gave their share of killing serbs , by their own example. After they blessed ustashe to continue killings. So , those were ritual killing commited thete. And j b tito contribution to uninteruppted death workflow in jasenovac. He forbaďe any partisan action to try to eliminate small crew of killers there. There were many high ranking partisan officers who had their cousins and relatives kept in death line there , and of course they suggested àttack to camp and release of prisoners. But not. Strictly forbidden. Some of such officers were found dead , killed from behind. Others decomissioned.
But , communists had also similar stories. We call talk about comunists , and ” comunists ” . there were special highly masked intelligence and special units , whose orders were killing of targeted exemplary persons. They acted às from communist soldiers , but they were from their own. They organised , as we now call , ” false flags ” operations. For example , german occupation forces clearly posted – for every german soldier killed , 100 serb prisoners would be executed. And what ? Some communist partisan special unit , intentionaly , and without any military benefit , killed, say 7 german soldiers, and germans , as promised , killed 700 serbs , and so on repeated many times. In Kragujevac area partisans killed 70 germans , and germans killed 7000 serbs , including many boys from grammar school , taken from their classrooms. Those that shaved were good enough to be killed. Numbers of executed had to be fulfilled , as promised.
That shows that partisan special units coordinated their efforts with germans in aim to kill more serbs. Do not forget that SS was sect in wermacht. They had their own rituals.
So work of sects , terrorist assasination , false flags were much present in area of yugoslavia. It is not present intelligence organisations invention.
So communists very much acted as terrorist organisation. One should not forget ” bolsheviks ” , as Rusian type of sect , that had its great share in killing many millions of Rusian poeple. And that many jews were commanders in such units.
And that communist were born on thesis of Karl Marx , another jew who theoreticaly formed documments , famous manifesto of comunist party. Without that jew , son of a rabbi , communists might not have existed , and many millions of human lives could have been saved. But jews ordered such document , and paid karl marks to write it down , and jews got mighty weapon for killing slavs. Theories of karl marx with help of fridrich engels , killed more people than any nuclear bomb , up until XX century.
But some stil belive that communism is Rusian invention , and rusian=bolshevicks , is great danger to peaceful world bankers collecting their % of interest. And contemplating about benefits of new world order. And inventing new genders of men.
21 st century has its opportunity.
Excellent comment. Incredibly thorough and well articulated. Thank you white eagle.
@Tsigantes Germans are abysmal Strategists because they usually don’t have the luxury to really have one, instead they are the dog which is being unleashed by the Anglo-Saxxon Cabal, first in WWI by luring them into the trap of multi-front war and being the cheap tool to weaken Russia (always the main enemy of the Leviathan). Same tune in WWII when they hired Uncle Adolf to smash Bolshevism – again a very doggish task. And now under direct control the dog again is used from time to time to bite towards the East. Never forget WHO is the real enemy or else you will eat your children !!
A bit different in going about it, though not too dissimilar in message:
Loving Me Was Easier: A Parable for the Perplexed
“A few years ago I married myself, but we’ve reconsidered and have filed for divorce. It’s no one’s fault, really, but we are emotionally devastated nevertheless. At least we have no children. Sologamy didn’t seem to suit us. We had acted impetuously. I had gotten the idea after hearing a NPR radio report about a woman who fell in love with herself and said that after she tied the knot she had never been happier.
So I self-identified as I and me, a couple, and we said I do and I do too in a private ceremony. I really wanted to be happy like that woman and to forget all the stuff about Trump being in bed with the Russians, and the Russians trying to get into our heads and voting booths, maybe even our beds where they would whisper lies about capitalism being immoral and other sweet nothings meant to confuse us about our identities and what was right and wrong. I figured going to bed with myself might help me forget.
But it hasn’t worked out as we expected.
Although I want 2019 to be a happy year, if 2018 is any gauge, 2019 will be a long night from hell politically and culturally, with fake news everywhere and our Russian enemies infiltrating our minds at every turn with backstopping and sheep dipping their spies throughout the media and academia. It’s so lonely trying to make sense of it all. Without my me-spouse, it can only get worse. Even CNN’s Anderson Cooper’s New Year’s Eve words of comfort to the lonely from Times Square don’t help much. Like Fox News’s “Fox and Friends,” Anderson is always there with a helping hand, and when I and me were arguing, I could always go to my true friends in the media for a dose of truth and sustenance. They know all about the Russian threat.”
Though I would never marry me, knowing that the me, might be infiltrated by Russians one day…
….the Serb partisans that held up German divisions…???
This first detachment of the Yugoslav Partisans was established in occupied Yugoslavia, in the Brezovica Forest near Sisak (in today’s Croatia) on 22 June 1941, the day Germany invaded the Soviet Union. It had 79 members, mainly Croats with the exception of one notable Serb woman, Nada Dimić, and was commanded by Vladimir Janjić-Capo.
This event marked the start of armed anti-fascist resistance in occupied Yugoslavia.
“the Serb partisans that held up German divisions..”
That is correct! The Serbs partisans came from the Serbian Chetniks, who were were the remnants of the Royal Yugolsav Army and privided the first resistance to the invading Nazis.
Tito execute the leader of the Chetniks, took his place and then absorbed the Serbs into his Partisan movement.
The Serbian Chetniks were actively pushing against the Nazis e.g. battle of Loznica while the Partisan Croats (all of 79 as you claim -the rest of the country collaborated with the Nazis) were still being formed…
You need to know a little bit about the Serbian history. Alexander I of Yugoslavia was assassinated in Marseille, and his son, Peter, became king aged just 11. His uncle acted as regent, but was deposed in a military coup in March 1941 for signing a pact with Nazi Germany. The 17-year-old Peter was installed, but only ruled for a month before he had to flee when Germany invaded and unleashed Operation Punishment rooftop bombing of Belgrade. some 33,000 people were killed.
The Serbs fought on . One of my uncles was captured when Belgrade fell and spent the next four years as a farm labourer in Germany. Another Uncle who was Secretary of the Serbian Peasant Party joined Mihajlovich and was one of his advisors.
Recently we found his “dnevnik ” in a barn in Bileca and Belgrade Politika published several articles based on Lazar’s dnevnik.
At first the Yugoslav army fought the German invasion but after the German edict 100 civilians would be killed for every German soldier killed and 50 for every wounded German the Chetniks as they became known avoided confrontation but did turn their attention to Krajina where thousands of Serbs were excited by the Ustase in Croatia and Bosnia.
Particularly notorious was the extermination camp at Jasenovac but there were several other camps on the territory of Croatia . Some of the main perpetrators in these executions were Catholic priests and nuns. .Yugoslav (Serb) rebellion delayed the invasion of Russia by almost two month.
When the Cetniks backed off fighting the Germans the allies started supporting Tito and send advisors including Churchill’s son Randolph. There was a Russian mission with Tito as well. Many Bosnian Muslims joined Tito because they were targeted by the Catholics and the Serbs when the war started. Many Muslims including Albanians in Kosovo also joined the Nazis and the Ustase including Alija Izetbegovic the leader of the recent Bosnian rebelling. Croats started joining Partisan units when Russian army entered Yugoslavia.
@ serbian girl
_” serb partisan came from serbian chetniks … who were remnants of royal yugoslav army _ “…
Well , it nice of you to show interest for development of situations in ww2 in yugoslavia. But you seem to be serb_american , not serb_serbisn , with different books to read and stories to hear , from witnesses of those fights.
First , aftet hitler ocupation of yugoslavia in april , almost all soldiers and oficers of royal yugoslav army , were captured by germans , as prisoners of war , and sent to prisoners camps over germany. Some small number of soldiers and officers suceeded to avoid german capture , and hid away , until resistance battles started.
When those battles started , in small numbers and in small quality , partisans led by communist party of yugoslavia , j b tito , and chetniks led by colonel draza. Small fights , at begining. But those were only fight against fashists throughout all of europe. Of course , in those months german armies and pantser divisions were canibalizing rusia, but that was war. In yugoslavia , sporadic fightings. But germans got killed. So they clearly proclimed. For each killed german soldiers 100 serbs is to be killed , and for wounded german , 50 serbs to be killed. Clearly and precisely.
So col. Draza , as intelligence officer , ( by the way , school friend of french general de gaulle ) , soon calculated that is about to be great number of serbs to be killed. Point is , serbs. Not croats , not bosnians , not slovenians , but serbs. Only serbs.
So he concluded that he should ease intesity of fight , to save numbert of killed serbs , as germans promised.
But on other side partisans concluded that thay should increase number of fights , and number of killed germans , but that led to increased number of killed serbian prisoners , but partisans seemed not to care about it. Civilians are to be collateral damage in their fight for freedom.
So begun dislike among partisans and chetniks , and as speed of war destruction speed up , they became enemies , and fight one each other. Brotherly war. Serbs against serbs , also increasing number of dead serbd.
So , there was someone very clever and very evil who set up such horrible plot.
Wether he lived in england , or in peacefull switzerland , we could not know.
But this is just first level game , with two players. Or three.
Serbs against serbs. Aside germans.
But there were other players on other levels.
In croatia , so called , ndh , there very deadly troops , ustashe , killing serbs , in concentration camps , and acros croatia , with robot like efficiency
.over million of serbs killed. Their speciality was throving alive sebs in crematoria chambers . to spare amunition , or poison gas , as germans first killed prisoners.
In croatia there were also italian fashist troops , but they were peacemakers compared to ustashe.
Very dangerous , bulgarian fashist in terytory of southern serbia , now called macedonia , and in eastern serbia.
They were also merciless fashists , trying to keep up to ustashe efficiency in killing serbs , but still were behind. Nobody could compare to ustashe.
But bulgarians tried to improve their image of fashists , by merciles torture of captured serbian women , men , young and old. Unimaginable tortures by bulgarians. Such level of hate is unearthy.
And of cours on north , in vojvodina , hungarian fashists. Fashist as fashists , destined to kill serbs as much as possible. They speciality was to take a group of serbs , say some 2.000 , and when river danube is frozen in winter , to throw serbs in river under ice .
In kosmet area , there were shiptars , traditional serbian killers. Their speciality was killing from behind , during night , suprise attacks.
Under careful eye of germans and italians, who occupied kosmet for resources.
So those were about main players against serbs in ww2.
Their succes rate , about 1.700.000 killed serbs , and jews , and gipsies.
But it is still dark secret who planned and organized so efficient killing of serbs.
That is simply not true.
You are the victim of Croat disinformation campaign.
You probably got that (dis)information from Wikipedia written by some Croat or similar.
That event was not even the “1st detachment” on the territory (of today’s) Croatia let alone WW2 Yugoslavia.
The 1.st detachment created on territory (of today’s) Croatia was created in the village called “Srb” in region called “Lika”
It was created mainly out of local Serb population that was persecuted and mass slaughtered by pro-NAZI Croat Ustasa regime.
That event of anti-fascist upheaval was celebrated in Socialist Yugoslavia as an OFFICIAL 1st. anti-fascist uprising on territory of NAZI Croatia that was called “NDH”=Croat abbreviation for “Independent State of Croatia”.
Today official Croatia does NOT recognize that upheaval in Srb against mainly (Croat) and German fascism because it was created by the Serbs only so today’s Croat authorities have chosen “Brezovica Forest near Sisak” as beginning of the resistance (that came later on really) because there were only Croat anti-fascist participating in that event.
That is one of the many aspects of active Croat RE-writing of their NAZI past…And covering of their crimes during that period.
Even today Croat neo-NAZI prevent Serb minority in celebrating event in village Srb so participants must be protected by Croat police.
Today’s Croatia is very similar to the neo-NAZI affiliation like in Baltic’s and Ukraine with very virulent neo-NAZI movement and mentality backed by Catholic church.
Croat – Ustasa heraldic and NAZI salute “ZA DOM SPREMNI” in Jasenovac (concentration camp where Ustase have mass slaughtered Serbs, Jews and Gypsies )
It was placed there as provocation (under excuse to be commemoration of 1991 war victims)and after direct protest of some Jewish organizations displaced from Jasenovac.
@ Czerny _
… Serb partisans held german divisions ???
Well , that data seems to be unknown to you , or you do not belive in it ? What ?
As well as it is unknown for me , of importance of mentioning of forming or existance of some group of 79 persons. Only known , in fact very well known person was Nada Dimic , National hero of Yugoslavia . you know , like national hero of sssr , with special form and place on uniform. Well that Nada Dimic , serb , as you say , was born in 1923 , was member of communist party of yugoslavia , acted as illegal fighter , captured by ustashe special police , and after horifying torturing , half_dead sent to stara gradiska concentration camp , where she died in march 1942. For vladimic janic capo there are no data , so i should comment , but ask what nationality he was.
But to inform you there were 6 divisions of serb partisans formed from population of serbs from lika , fighting against ustashe and domobran and italian formation through lika. Famous 6. Licka division was personal escort of j b tito , and saved his live many times. But many people were angry on them , as why they helped him keep alive. They better left somebody to kill him and save serbs many later troubles.
True serb did not have to tie german divisions with their fight , as in croatia there plentiful of domobrans , as regular ndh troops , and ustashe vojnice , as paramilitary party army , similar to role of waffen_SS for hitler nazi party.
After break_down of hitler and yugoslav kingdom pact , at 27.3.1941 , broken by patrioic serbs , hitler in anger ordered destruction of yugoslav kingdom , begining with heavy bombing of belgrade at 6.4.1941 , at sunday 6 am. First fire_bombs were dropped at national library in belgrade, and precious documents an books from midlle centuries were lost in flames. Quite similar bombing was organized by usa and british planes on easter day in 1944 , killing more people in belgrade than hitler bombing in 1941. Strange bombing from friendly army , but it was ordered by someone hwo really does not like serbs. To use germans , first, and americans and british later , at start and at end of ww2 , for same purpose is quite effort.
So after hitler bombing in 6.4.1941 yugoslavia capitulted in 10.4.1941.
Strangelly , but not unexpected , ndh in croatia was proclimed. So called independent state of croatia. But , in reallity was quite dependant on germany , itally , and vatican of course.
Soon forming of military begun. Domobrans were formed as regular army , but were quite uselles , as their german commanders were quite disapointed with their perfomace. But ustashe vojnice , in power of some 76.000 soldiers , dressed in black uniforms , as their german waffen_SS counterparts.
In the meantime , hitler atacked sssr. And any helpfull soldier was welcommed. Soon croatian government anounced that volunteers for eastern front are wellcomend , and many applied. So on 2.7.1941 was formed 369. Infantry regiment , sent to germany , to get supply of armour and ammunitions , and sent to eastern front , under command of 100th german division . and ustashe fought against rusians , at stalingrad. They did not survive well there , but many were awarded iron cross , to survived and not so happy ones.
Of course ndh did not send help to germany just in infantry. They send air force fliers , and germans also equipped them with 37 planes , and sent to eastern front. Navy was not to be forgotten , so ndh sent sailors for 6 mine sweeper boats , in black sea. Many croats had honor to fight in Rusia , against Red army.
So helping role of croats in ww2 was not unsignificant.
”Liberal saint Obama, in comparing the reunification of Crimea and Russia with the Iraq War, informs us that the ’annexation of Crimea’ – which was enthusiastically backed by the overwhelming majority of Crimeans – was worse than the invasion of Iraq”
Quite right. The Russians, unlike the Iraqis, do possess weapons of mass destruction. Liberalism, for all its splendid infallibility, doesn’t automatically supersede the intelligence, courage, and determination of its adversaries.
“a rejection of reason and the reality-based world.”
The dollar system which emanates from America (but affects the entire world) begets a “derivative reality”. Financially, this culminates in fake-statistic-driven manic volatility in a money from money speculative casino which has driven out true investment. Morally, culturally, this culminates in a progressive, liberal, degenerate glorification of alternate sexuality and cultural / racial homogenization into a self loathing obedient underclass (debtor class) with no memory of traditional Western values, cultural pride or sense of the nuclear family.
It all begins when you debase the value system. If you do it with money it affects the culture just as if you did it with culture and it affected the money – they are one and the same. It is a matter of abstraction.
It’s many years already that I’m trying to explain this argument to deaf ears: it is time to reconsider Nationalsocialism (both Nazism, which was German and German only, and Fascism, which was Italian and Italian only). Not the today’s Nazis wannabe (which are mainly simple violent nationalists), but the historical Nazi/Fascist project about what they used to consider the future of Europe (at least they had ideas to propose about this, now it’s only “economical grow-up” bullshit). Hitler’s speeches were sufficiently clear on this point; nowadays we would use terms like “no global”, “no external intervention”, “autonomous and autharchic”, “fuck international bankers”, “fuck democracy” and so on to describe them.
Even the most antifascists are slowly coming to understand that the so-called “liberation” of Europe, with the “indispensable” help of the US (that this article correctly unmasked), has in reality meant the FAILURE of Europe.
We Europeans should never have permitted external interferences by Wall Street globalism and should never have let UK being part of EU (France’s historical responsibilities have been huge on this point, and unfortunately Brexit is only a ridiculus farce). Putin’s Russia has wisely adopted this same framework in the last 20 years (“we decide for ourselves”), and managed to succeed not without a fair amount of authoritarian violence, while for western Europe it is too damn late.
I’d like to strongly underline that I’m NOT a “good-old-times aficionado” nor a right-winged nostalgic (I couldn’t be less interested in that since I was born in the 80s. As a matter of fact, I’d love to completely obliate from the current political discussions useless and deceiving words like “left” and “right”, although they can be used to describe the past); I’ve made this point only to state once again that the liberal/leftist spooky fairytales about WWII are now revolting against themselves (after having caused brain-damages for decades to people born after the War), showing that Europe remained -and stays- without real opposition to globalism: this kind of opposition couldn’t come from left (Commies were internationalists to the core) nor from post-WWII right (basically just a pack of robbers and corrupts).
It is not by chance that you can find the most “left vs. right” polarized politics precisely in the US; as the Romans used to say, “divide et impera”: just make the electors believe that they are choosing something. This would lead us to introduce another interesting topic: the intrinsic failure of Democracy (“Polloi Kakoi” said Heraclitus), the most hypocritical of the government systems. But I will stop here for now.
Thanks for the attention and greetings from Italy (the ex-“Belpaese” with no future whatsoever*).
*You can tell Italy is completely fucked just by watching italian people go to McDonald’s. Eating that kind of unhealthy crap in the country of good, mediterranean food, doing it fast in order to work more and quick, not taking the time food deserves, is a complete perversion of habits that only a cheaply sold-out state can actually do.
You are ritht: The terms “left” and “right” have no further utility in political discussion. At least, not in the USA. The current derangement of the official left has left the political landscape littered with so many contradictions and confusions that it is impossible to make an;y sense of it at all.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the idea of socialism as a national, not an international, endeavour must be examined and discussed. Since the alternative to national socialism is either international socialism or international capitalism/globalism. Yet any international -ism is going to end up as a totalitarian system of no benefit to actual people and populations on the ground. Is that correct?
I am no political scientist—not any kind of scientist—but have often wondered whether the problem with Hitler was that he poisoned forever, or for the foreseeable future, any nation-based socialism—national socialism. Which might be the only kind of viable socialism. As long as nationalism doesn’t veer off into chauvinism, racism, xenophobia, etc.
Is a healthy national socialism possible?
Thank you Katherine for your follow-up.
Just to make it clear: am I theorizing the absolute necessity of a national socialism? No I’m not: it would be a possibility, but I’m not sure it would be strictly necessary (and maybe too late to achieve).
My point is more alike to your final paragraph: you say that “Hitler poisoned forever any nation-based socialism”; I say the same, but pointing out that this is no Hitler’s fault… rather, this has been a consequence of biased historical and sociological judgements made by a couple of generations born after WWII (spooked to death with tales about the “evil nazis”), which completely spoiled any possibility of making Europe unite, independent, neutral, armed and autarchic.
Wish you well Kathy, it’s always a pleasure reading your comments.
_ ” We Europeans should should never have permitted _ ” …
Who are europeans ,
is it a counrty with own army , own police , own money , own people. ?
Own , one , language. ?
When you say germany , you think of germans , speaking german language.
No _ it is unnatural , artificial mixture , of once independent countries , forcifully gathered into union , to place germany as public leader , in front of world , but real unknown leaders clerks , comesars , as in staliin rusia , to rule ober europe with their own set of ruled , from brussels . new communist commesars in brussel.
And no one can deny or not oblige their orders. Interesting form of democracy.
And those puppy comunist comesar leaders are run from washington.
So , what is europe ?
Can it comply what you wished ? Absolutely not. No hope.
_ ” interferences from wall street globalism _ “…
Remember wall street globalism came from europe. And wall stret follows orders.
You know a place called ” City of London ” ?
That is state inside London , similar like a ” State of Vatican ” inside Rome.
And that english Queen can not visit that place ,
if she did not anounse her coming there before.
And when she is allowed to enter there ,
she bowes her head in front of those there.
So think about power lines , and lines of orders , and lines of command.
Mighty Masters. Old nobility. Unknown Ones.
Humanitarian Interventionism is merely the political spawn of a more comprehensive ideology that the entire West has embraced for centuries: the Western Civilizing Mission, or White Man’s Burden.
From the days of the British Empire civilizing and Christianizing those barbaric “wogs” to the American Empire teaching those barbaric Fill-in-the-Blank-Enemy about (snicker) freedom and democracy, nothing much has changed.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The West in general and America in particular worship a messianic ideology that is the basis of their warped identity.
Indeed, America is so deluded that it believes that it is the Indispensable nation and Exceptional People.
Messianic delusions define these self-styled “democracies” in everything but name.
Just as the Zionists believe that they are God’s Chosen People, the Euro-Americans believe that they are God’s Chosen Democracy™.
Nietzsche wrote, to paraphrase: Insanity in individuals is rare; in countries, nations, peoples, and tribes, it is the norm.
Nikki Haley: “Lying, cheating, and rogue behavior have become the new norm of the Russian culture.”
There is an old Bulgarian proverb, which roughly translated in english sounds like this: It doesn’t matter what the bastards say about you; the only important thing in live is to outlive them ;-)
Nikki Haley = Cлабоумная помойка
They, because they are exceptional never really talk about others, but themselves – and btw. they also look like it, every passing year a little more. Without the influx of new genetical material they probably would have already devolved to bugs, flies, snakes or mold, however the process cannot be really stopped in the long run.
For every true belief that is rejected, there’s assumed to be a necessary and correlating false belief, that must replace it; because, Nature abhors vacuums, as well as any sharp boundaries or divisions; and so, the self-deceived human mind self-deludes itself with various conceits, prejudices, and revulsions; and becomes increasingly less human-like, and human-able, in seemingly endless, interlinked half-degrees. Compounded, chained and re-chained and bound, with each and every evolution of the goddess Fortuna’s wheel; this newfound, and re-discovered, deity of all modern men; who, in worshipping transient and ephemeral ‘goods’, rather than ‘The Good’, have become the hapless subjects of their own Fates cruel wheel — hence the false religion of humanitarian intervention — an irrational belief in the ‘this world only’ ideologies. How many false beliefs do we hold? After all, all men are liars.
In what languages do you think young children write in, before they are taught language by parents/teachers?Surely the answer couldn’t be none, if ‘nature abhors vacuums’ as you say.But if it is none, as in children know ‘nothing’ before they learn things, then the reverse should also be possible, as in if what is already learned is rejected then they’ll return to knowing nothing – where is the need to replace anything?
I think this idea that nature abhors vacuums is false – or rather the idea that there is a vacuum/empty space to be filled, when something is rejected/ceases to be, in the first place, is false.In the context of what you were writing about, there is no need for beliefs to be ‘replaced’, a belief can be rejected and it’d simply cease to exist(of course what is true will remain true, regardless of ‘beliefs’).What is perceived as a vacuum/empty space, is probably memory and force of habit – something that will change with time(ie: first the belief ceases to be and then the space/vacuum it was previously in also ceases to be).
Also human beings becoming less human-like is not possible, because the very definition of ‘human-like’ is whatever behaviors human beings decide to adopt.And the ‘this world only’ ideologies(true or not) is not irrational by any measure, in fact such a beliefs are very natural and rational, than believing in unseen things(I’m not arguing that this world and the seen are all that exists, only pointing out they aren’t ‘irrational’ beliefs).
With ‘Human-like’ compassion, the westerners, under the guise of nato, pretended to defend the honor of Albanians, by brutalizing the Serbs; and, to do so, the Serb was first dehumanized, in order that he might be victimized, and held responsible for it. By convention, it is not acceptably human-like, to brutalize another human-being, even less so, by means of false pretense; but, it is human-like to eradicate the wolf, who preys on men, in a wolf-like fashion; hence, the necessary assumption of this false belief — that Serbs are wolves, and not men — replacing the rational belief that all men, for better or worse, are just men, but, nonetheless, deserving of a fair and just treatment. To do otherwise dehumanizes our nature.
I can understand what you mean.But what exactly do you mean by ‘dehumanized’?So NATO and associates spread lies about the Serbs, which ‘dehumanized’ Serbs, how?Biologically?Did the Serbs start getting all hairy,growing claws out of their finger tips and their teeth were suddenly long,sharp and pointy?Surely not, so what actually changed, at most, was the perception(about the Serbs) of those who accepted the lies about Serbs – which you apparently believe made some significant difference in the relevant events, I don’t share that belief.Hypothetically, if NATO and the relevant groups/individuals who attacked Serbs had said, “We’re in the mood to murder Serbs today, so we’re just gonna go bomb them.” instead and went onto do just that, do you think the outcome would have been any different?That someone would have stopped them?
Did the fact most people didn’t believe Washington’s lies about chemical weapons in Syria, stop them from attacking Syria?USA/NATO do whatever they want and say whatever they please(often talking to themselves through their mass media), if they can’t find a conventionally acceptable legitimate reason for their actions, then they’ll invent one out of thin air or simply ignore conventions altogether(whose going to stop them?).I think it’s a waste of time to delve on whatever lies/excuses they come up with – raising armies to destroy theirs,building weapons to destroy them,poking holes in their propaganda matrix,identifying and neutralizing networks that work for them,cutting off their sources of wealth,power and influence,etc. are much more productive ways to spend one’s time.
Incidentally, the scenario you describe is only possible because it’s human-like to eradicate wolves, in the first place, if humans were more compassionate towards wolves, this wouldn’t have been possible(I don’t think it’s really possible to brutalize anyone, under any circumstances, out of compassion).It’s also debatable whether compassion is really human-like – nor do I understand the insistence of you and others like you, in trying to make compassion a condition for being human, instead of simply biologically being human.Also conventional standards are things made by the consensus of the majority, are there such standards that apply internationally(as in standards people the worldwide subscribe to, not agreements made by small numbers of people in international organizations)?Did USA/NATO ever agree to become a part of such conventions?
_” but what exactly do you mean by ” dehumañized ” _…
I do not dare to explani what he tought ,
but i may say what i myself think about this meaning of ” dehumanized ” .
It is psychological warfare operation , provided by propaganda arsenal.
If you want , say , to kill someone , but he is not guilty ? how you would ( if you just tried , anyway ) try to explain to youself and to others ( ” world community ” ) , why you want to kill him ? When he is not guilty , but you want to kill him ?
Well , by refined and clever process of ” dehumanization ” , meaning removing human content frome somebody , to turn him into ” not human ” , wolf , or cockroach . so by your killing cockroaches nobody would complain.
You are providing your world_wide_police_service to whole earth.
But for exchange , some trivials , like oil, gold , ores, …any unworthy minerals.
Helping mankind. Removing cockroaches , clearing earth from bothersome creatures. Not humans. No, we are liberals. We care for people.
But dehumanized humans. We can handle them. We are specialists.
We are spreading , and strongly suggesting our type , and only correct type of democracy , to all those primitive and undemocratic countries worldwide.
With a little help of dehumanization chemistry. And persuation by army force.
@бели орао збг
I can understand that, it’s very similar to the excuses used in Europe’s colonial days.But the two issues I’ve with that kind of thinking is, first, what is this so-called ‘world community’?Does that even exist?Has this community ever actually stopped any aggression?Or is it just a front for already established powers of the world?From my observations I’d say the latter.No ‘world community’ is going to save anyone, if someone is trying to kill you and you don’t have the means to defend yourself, you’ll die.
Second, while it’s certainly true such propaganda has been used, and continues to be used, how many people does that propaganda genuinely deceive?From what I’ve seen, not many, in fact I’d argue, many pretend to be deceived by such propaganda to use it as an excuse to support various forms of aggression(for reasons they prefer to keep quite about).For example someone who already supports attacking Syria, for reasons they do not wish to reveal, may use Washington’s propaganda against Syria, as cover for their support.Which is why I believe focusing too much on such lies/excuses is wasteful, you can’t change someone’s mind by proving Washington was lying, if Washington’s lies were never the reason for their support of aggression, in the first place – the most that can accomplish is deprive them of their excuse/cover.
@ anon 123
” world community…does thst even exist ? “…
Well, like you sensed , ” world comunity ” is 0 , zero , empty space , null sum…
It is just tool in psychological warfare operation , propaganda tool.
Its aim is to convience other real world comunity , as real men , humans _, for existance for such a groups that care for opininos issued by propagandists.
To assure that somewhere exist comunity that supports their actions.
While such group does not exist. It is ” world comunity “.
_ how many people does that propaganda genuinely decieve …
Well , i think , that group of believers is very large one.
That group is those … I dont care for …. Some far away , away country , small , without defense , preferable _ that usa is bombing , with wide arsenal of weapons , … To bring them democracy , usa democracy , and by the way take any valuable possesion , like oil or some other minerals , that unfortunate poor small country have underground.
Nobody yet bombed sahara desert , but if happen to be some oil downthere,…
So this propaganda is mostly for own countrymen , to desentisize them ,_ and keep them peacified if front of tv , with coke and chips…
While real , brave boys , in front of legions of bankers and industrials , sucks resources from that poor unfortunate country….far away …
@ Chris k
_ nato , pretented to defend honour of albanias , by brutalizing Serbs ,..
Well , west and usa did not defend honour , or loved albanians ,….
Reasons are multiple , and multylayered , in space and in time , and gathering various interests and plans of NWO , and their Masters.
Firstly , there is very intentional confusion using words Albania , Kosmet , and mixing and overlying them. Albania is small state , with its sets of troubles , many brought to them from their “western friendly countries” . But they are not important.
Kosmet is another story , nowdays often termed as Kosovo , with very intentional omittion of Met part in name. Met comes from “metoh” as name declring that area is owned by church , some monastery. Precisely , sebian ortodox church. Those area of land were given to church as gift , for decades of time , from serbian kings , and high lords , ad means for material support for church, as they used those lands , for planting crops , for life support. So if you want to take lands from serbs , that is not so big crime _ but if you want to take land from church , that is not so such honorable act , as one coult think of it as criminal act. So, if you ommit and forget Met from name of teritory you intend to grab , your crime seems lesser.
That leaves us to question of honour …
Well it is matter of honour of top kosmet mafia boss members , mercifully rulling over whole of europe. That complicates life of peacefull and democratic european people. First , they can not organize their own people mafia , have no chances , and second , kosmet mafia members are so cruel , europeans can not bear living under them. So intelligemce and sevret serbice presonnel , organized talks with top boss members of kosmet mafia , suggestig them to ease hold around european gentle throats , and return some of their merciless members to kosmet , to ease some pressure. Kosmet mafia bosses said , ok , but we can return our boys to kosmet , as serbian police would aresst them as drug dealers and trafikers. Europeans tought for a while , yes that is complication , but may we suggest , a solution to our troubles ? We will make you a free kosovo state , and you could send your boys , as heroes of liberation , to their homes. And kosmet mafia bosses said , we will think about it , if it pleases us,…in the meantime we will continue to rule european underground , and overground , also,…
Of course , usa has nothing against it , but usa has its ows bagfull of plans about kosmet , …
Presently kosmet is but a large labaratory plant , refining heroin , and other drugs for thirsty european market. No other industry , no other labour pays such profit. So kosmet has no industry , no factories , … And have free hand and support , and advices to increase production of products ,..drugs ,…
And much of profits earned in that traffiking goes as lobbying money , for friendly western politians , soldiers , policemen. You know , case full with cash , untraceable cash , is very handy , considering high costs of living nowdays , and just for a exchange for some words of moral support , to honourable and so kind , … Albanians,..
‘No UN Mandate so the prostitute media called 1999 Yugoslavia invasion by NATO a ‘Humanitarian Mission’.
American General Wesley Clark and his company of sadists killed more than 2,000 civilians and wounded by deliberately attacking ‘dual use’ facilities, factories, power plants, TV stations, roads, bridges railways. 6,000 Yugoslav troops and police killed and wounded. Massive deliberate damage to civilian infrastructure, homes, flats, roads and railways.
NATO aircraft involved from US, Canada, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, UK, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Holland, Turkey. Over 1,000 aircraft produced 38,000 admitted sorties. Ordinance dropped included, in addition to TP weapons, 152 cluster bombs containing 35,450 cluster bombs, thermo-visual bombs and graphite bombs (ALL cluster bombs are prohibited under international conventions).
Each and every one of these actions against Yugoslavia is a war crime and the war criminals include US General Wesley Clark as CO and included every single politician and government functionary, soldier, sailor, Marine and airman who in any way contributed to this war crime, be they active participants in actual combat or involved in any support of this war crime right down to and including the ordinance handlers, refuel personnel, repair personnel and everyone in between the lowest ranks to the highest ranks.
I couldn’t understand, at the time, what the point was of bombing Serbia.
It was inconceivable.
Was it some kind of collective punishment?
Found this poem on Swans about Madeleine Albright who was a war criminal in Clinton’s cabinet who is responsible for the bloodshed in former Yu.
“Madeleine Albright signs her name
The old dried up bitch Madeleine Albright
The unrepentant sow, a disgusting sight.
Memoirs written in Iraqi children’s blood
For shrew and bitch the price was right.
She sits shriveled signing books without shame
Washing blood from hands and blame
The old crow sits, cackles, signs her name
To death to profit to crime the same.
Those who came to see the ugly do
Witnessed scream from bitch, crone, and shrew
Get out, Get out this is human organ sale
For heart, a liver, kidney, lungs she writes her name.”
by Walter Trkla
The left is the establishment these days. They are pro war, hate the working class, and are rigid ideologues. Everything is the opposite of what it should be these days.
_ ” Guardian article… Serbs enslaved muslim women at rape camps … ”
Very nice and truthful guardian article in british colonial empire , truth an noting but the truth , so help me baron minhausen .. Western journalist oath.
But strange and shameful is so small numbers of rapes mentioned.
Some titles like this would be more likable … ” serbs raped 456.786 muslim women , while nato fired them with uranium ammunitions … Or … ” serbs raped 678.893 muslim women while ( retired ) american generals planned military action to save poor mulims… Or ” serbs raped 756.872 muslim women ” while taliban and mujjahedins played football with heads of other bad serbs … Or ” serbs raped 854.971 muslim women while weekend mercenary wariors from belgium , holland , germany sniped serbs , in effort to release muslim women.
Such titles would be more catchy , more audience would be horrified by serbs.
Strange is that there is no mentionig , if by accidence some muslim raped serbian woman , or some saint warrior from croatia commited some crime like that. No ,
Muslim and croat soldiers were strictly honest soldiers , as advised by their honest nato advisers. In civil , brotherly war in bosna , serbs_ortodox , and serb_catholics , and serbs_mulims fought to statisfy wishes of world_arround demon advisers , to kill one each other and spill as blood as possible , to statisfy thirsty demons.
Also strange is that honest british guardian did not mention that serbs ” highly likelly ” used some poisonous supstances from nkvd dungeons , some chlorine based substances , from soviet secret labs. No journalist got that idea , but it is useful , world tv audience is instantly horrified.
Serbs _ slavs. ( Serbs , prehistory ) ,
Serbs_ orthodox ( = Serbs , genuine ) ,
Serbs _ catholics ( = croats ) ,
Serbs _ muslims ( = bosnians , boshnjaks ) ,
Serbs _ highlanders ( = montenegrians ) ,
Serbs _ southerners ( = macedonians ) ,
Serbs _ northerners. ( = vojvodjani ) ,
Serbs _ luzicani. ( = germans ) ,
Serbs _ easterners ( = Rusians ) ,
Serbs _ fareasterners ( = Arians ) ,
Serbs _ unknown ( celestial enemy to nwo ).
Well , that could help explaining why serbs are so important for masters of world.
All your posts are very much appreciated on this most enlightening article and thread.
You know when there is nation that has milenia long history that is denied by all possible and impossible scholars , from all around world , and in their orchestrated and organized manner want to convince western world , in Un ,by suggestion of british colnial empire services , one has to ask oneseslf , why are they so orchestrated to coverup serbian history. only conclusion is that they are horriblly afraid of serbs. They know why they are afraid , but serbs mostly do not know , and do not understand , why do they want to declare them genocide nation.
This is 2019 year by callendar counting in western civilisation ,
But this is 7528 year by serbian callendar.
For a nation for so long callendar counting , must be some explanation .
due to more than century of ernest falsification of all possible documents , very , very large group of western historians , enormous falsification of serbian history were made.
So present day serbs really do not know who really are they. But those western historians know.
You know , when hitler in his anger decided to destroy serb state , he ordered fire_bombing of national library , first , and other buildings in belgrade later.
Germans had special force units to steal valuable items , art values , paintings , as usual throughout europe. But they also had special units whose duty was to gather documents , and transfet them to germany. We are talking about 20_30 train cars of doçuments stolen from serbs. So serbs could not read about their history.
Austria_hungary army , in ww1 , also stole train loads of serbian documents. It was of utmost importance to take away serbian memory , written in books and documents. Austria_hungary soldiers also had very refined afinity for serbian church bells. Every bell they found , they transported to wienna. Maybe in wienna there are more church bells than in serbia.
Kosovo and metohija , kosmet , which is now occupied by usa soldiers , under name of kfor , freely allow shiptars ( kosovian albanians ) to burn serbian churches and monasteries there. Some are protected , as museum exemplars , but most are burnt. America is pushig as hardest as it can to make kosmet recocnised as state in UN. But why ? American know why. And that is not because they love shiptars.
When i above mentioned that serbian year starts in april when light ray falls on mark on pecka patrijarshija , serbian ortodox church monastery , where is throne of serbian patrijarh . that monastery was built in year 1250 ad.
In 1455 year turkish ottoman empire , who occupied that area before usa and kfor , their , present day called statstic census biro , counted families , for purpose of setting taxes . and they found there were 13.057 serbian homesteads , others , and 46 arbanas homsteads , as they were called then . so , 13.057 serb homes : 46 arbans homes. And now americans want to say those 46 should have its state , and those 13.057 serbs are to be forced into serbia. ( of course i mean , nowdays , but present those historical data , as comparison. )
When i mentioned serbian tribes in history , i did not mention that there were 16 (sixteen ) Roman Emperrors from area of present day serbia . 16 roman emperrors from serbia. Maybe that is reason why british empire dislikes serbs, as british had nasty experiencies with romans. Not to mention extreme similarities between kelts and serbs. We have music group called ” ortodox celts ” singing traditional irish music.
Kosmet area is about 10.686 km sq , but it is wery important for americans , as they built Bondstill army base there , of course on serbian land.
There is special operation battalion there for psychological warfare , with aim to influence serbian politicians to surrender and sign for free state of kosmet. Since serbia is occupied country , from year 2000 , when usa organised ” colour revolution ” , and set serbian governmet under usa guidance. Usa expiriecies gained in serbia were transffered in ukraine. For new color revolution there.
Do i have to mention that almost all newspapers and several tv stations are under observation of general petreus , yes that one from cia. That about free press.
This is small description of forces over serbs to surrender themselves , and accept fact that they are only miserable slaves.
Well , time will tell , battle between goodness and eveil , what will outcome.
Kelts, or Celts as they call themselves here, are thought to have originated in Central Europe, from the mountainous regions of what is now Austria/Hungary before settling in what is now the British Isles and Ireland, so I am not surprised to learn of the ‘orthodox celts’ singers.
Very interesting posts, thank you.
@ one minion
_” celts … Are thought to have originated in central europe _”…
Word and language shows similarities , in ” root ” of words. It is no suprise. We are talking about couple of thousand of years ago. Serbs were spreading like rays in all directions. Nowdays serbia is small population country. Many wars , especially world wars were organised to decimate number of serbs . those are not empty words. if serbs were not so sistematically decimated , it would be population of , say , 80 – 100 million persons nowdays. Then world games in europe might seem different. But we have many nations that now have different name , and modified languages , but serbian background. Who would belive that some nation of say 80 million people comes from now , 7 million serbs ?
I think there was some broad research organised by EU scientists to find out what nation is oldest in europe. And it turned that serbs have some 66_67 % of those ancient genes. When eu found it out , research was closed. Data forgotten. I think chezs were no 2 , and polish no 3.
So if one could say serbs=europe , that would not be mistake. But it was long long time ago. Remember serbs have calendar dating 7528 years .
mother of great german otto von bismarvk was serb. So many germans , as well as other nations , have serbs as grand_grand_ ancestors behind.
Founder of imperial rusia intelligence was serb. Person who determined border line between russia and china was serb. When there was war somewhere in far east between rusia and japan. Japans asked if there is any brave solder to come to duel with their best samurai. And one soldier approached and won duel. He was serb. (Serb_highlander).
When serbs fled from turks ottomans in 17 century many turned to various parts of present day rusia , many were in ukraina , central rusia , far east. Similarity to my surname could be found in far far away siberia , to my great suprise.
But very great name is about origins and purpose of those forces that through ages in histoty of mankind tried to minimize place of serbs , by killing them in great numbers , and hiding any documents that could prove theirs real position.
When data are corrupted and destroyed nation forgets who it was , and is.
And now british colonial empire wants to declare serbs as genocidal criminals beside invented and prepared inteligence nato operation , for crimes in srebrenica . And before whole UÑ , world wide. So that someone could continue killing serbs without resistance from UN security council. As if they care for UNSC.
Clean job. Democratic country. Old boys service.
Macedonians are not, nor have ever been “southern Serbs”.
_” Macedonians are not , nor have ever been “southern Serbs ” _…
Thanks for short , concise reply.
But your reply is not supported by any data , any facts . could you place them?
So , what based your statement ? Something is , or is not based oñ… What ?
I would gladly hear correct and true verified facts that you base your reply.
What was name , and governmet , of state , since 2000_1950 , 1950_1900, 1900_1850, 1850_1800,… Or 1500_1450, 1450_1400, 1400_1350, 1250_1200 years.
What nation lived there , under what name , under what governmet. Who were their rulers , and names.
Famous writers , artists , soldiers , scientists , people that make nation
As i remember present name was , or is ” FYR of macedonia “. Former yugoslav republic of macedonia. Macedonia did have that name as yugoslav republic , but after yugoslavia desintegration , name macedonia was not accepted by , greeks. They firmly refuse and forbid use of such name for bordering country. Strange. Why? Do greek think macedonians are not macedonians , but serbs maybe ? Since greeks also have some land called macedonia , but are inhabited by other nation of people , greeks.
So we have state with one name , but with two different population inside ?. Ones are greek macedonians , but whose macedonians are other group ? So maybe ” southern_serbs “?. If those other groups are recognised as serbs , than greek would not complain. It would still leave use of name of macedonia for a state. Greeks still complain , and even forbid and stop entering of macedonua state in nato. Complicating strong urge of nato planers to have all of balkan countries under nato control. But greeks persist. No macedonia in nato. So name of macedonia for state on that teritory ia also improper. If it was called something like southern serbia , as it was really called, greeks would not complain.
But ” macedonians” do not want to leave that name, and enter nato. But why ?
So they would have to admit that they are serbs really.
And that is big complication. They do not want to accept that. So nato has to solve this problem , as after they accept ” some name close to macedonia ” name and enter nato , than serbia is completlly and hermetically seald and surrounded by nato members , and has no option left , but to surrender , and enter nato.
But only after it accepts kosmet as independent state.
Than , nato is ready to attack rusia , as all other european countries are nato.
So that is one side of game. Your description would be other side of game.
For current and near days to come macedonia is in great danger to be thorn apart and territory taken , between bulgaria , greece , and great albania , of course.
So , i would gladly like to hear data you have to confirm your reply.
God bless you.!
I just mentioned some of serbian tribes on Earth.
But there are , also :
SERBS _ HEAVENLY ( = GOD’s WARRIORS )
And those are exclusive category ,
not being on Earth.
Those are saints.
This church has a name – Holocaustism
Or better still Holocaustinity.
A riddle. Who will Holouastinity designate the next Hitler?
_ ” a riddle. Who will holocaustinity designate next hitler _ ” …
Do not worry.
As hitler was illegitimate son
of one of many hundreds of legitimate and illegitimate of rotschilds ,
they have hundreds of candidates to choose from.
And also they have frozen specimens of hitler tissue ,
so they can clone him
If they choose so.
there were stories that well known angela merkel was from his origin , his daughter.
Compare some photographs _ compare shape of face , lines.
And remember that thare are reliable stories
that hitler did not die in berlin , in 1945 ,
but somewhere in south america , about 1953 .
She was supposed to be daughter of some protestant priest
who moved his familly from west germany , to east germany ,
in days when everybody from East germany dreamed to fled to west germany ,
but there was that great wall and nasty guards preventing them.
On the 6th October 2000 during the coup of the Serb quisling Kustunica the Serbian TV building went ablaze but especially the TV archive was destroyed and lost with 50 years of Yougoslav Socialist Federative documented history.
_” during coup ” _ … Tv archive was destroyed and lost … Documented history _ ” …
Well , your statement has it true points , but are somehow twisted and mixed …
Yes , it was coup to change government in serbia , and organized by Soros and his team and list of intelligence organizations , that would owerflow this page.
I think it was first ” colored revolution ” organized in europe (, maybe even in world , but i am not sure , usa had many colored revolution , so who could remember wich one was first , as start of world_wide_experiment ). But , initially that revolution was called ” plisana revolucija ” , you now plish is some textile , soft , heavy texture ,often used for curtains in theathers. But , for later revolutions , color was used as definitions. Since color revolution is easier used than some name of textile.
That revolution , coup , was organised since nato did not suceed to conquer serbia by military land forces and heavilly bombing serbia , in 1999. Truce was signed , and plans for intelligence operation for coup started. To complete what army failed.
To suceed , nato had to organize , oposition , to milosevic. So education and various corures were organized for invented oposition leaders. Of course , backed up with tens of millions of $$$… So intelligence prepared 18 (eighteen ) oposition parties against 1 : milosevic . quite similar to 18 nato members bombing 1 serbia.
But not any of those oposition leaders had any possibility against milosevic. No one had honesty , so people could not accept them. Kostunica was found to be only one with dignity . and honesty. He had PhD in law , and was university proffesor. Person not suitable to talk with mafia and politicians. But it was _ Kostunica , or nobody. So they persuaded him to accept leading of opposition against milosevic.
You say he was quislig. Yes , in a way. If you lead occupied country _ then you are quisling. He fully understood burden upon his shoulders. On one side , nato and its perssuation force , on other side occupied people. Whatever move you make under occupation must be against your people , and in favour of nato. Simple occupation.
You mention burning of tv building , and archive. Yes , it happened. But not for tv archive , but for hold ovet tv station, hold over media, as control of informations.
But more dangerous burning was done before. Building of state assemblly , or translated Congress building was burned. Why ? It contained bags with woting lists , showing who won , and who lost elections. That was to be destroyed. No evidence.
Interesting , but i think that same usa ambassador was sent to ukraina when there was colour revolution to be organized . If not ambassador , than some high ranking officers. Also members of otpor , oposition technical organizers , were sent to ukraina , as proven experts , to help ukraina oposition do their job.
After Kostunica realized in what horrible game he was forced into _ he left politics , and no comments are heard from him.
But ukrainan leader poroshenko , in same government position as Kostunica , did not leave politics , yet.
But Kostunica was quisling , and Poroshenko is not ? …
Strictly speaking, Liberalism is the secular part of the Judeo-Christian ideology which defines the West in its entirety. Granted, liberalism borders on religious superstition with its all-out grovelling before Jews and Anglos and, conversely, its unstinting hatred of Russia. But viewing liberalism as a religious creed doesn’t do it justice. Sure, Western Liberal Zio-faggots do align even with Takfiri liver-eaters against secular governments, but that isn’t based on any religious considerations. It’s entirely due to the machinations and priorities of George Soros.
Liberalism thrives on decadence, perversions, greed, and violence — it’s known under its ’anti-authoritarian’ trademark.
The King of the South from Daniel 8 is the Donald
“enthusiastically backed by the overwhelming majority of Crimeans”
This was confirmed by three polls funded by the US, Canadian and German governments, which you probably never read about in the MSM.
I want to thank everyone for leaving so many interesting comments.
Another word on Syria: The Western elites accused Damascus and Moscow of doing in Aleppo and Eastern Ghouta what they themselves did in Raqqa (https://www.rt.com/uk/428743-isis-syria-bomb-death-amnesty/) and Mosul (https://www.rt.com/news/417864-mosul-liberation-bodies-ruins/).
For further reading on NATO’s destruction of Yugoslavia, I recommend Michael Parenti’s To Kill a Nation, and Diana Johnstone’s Fools’ Crusade.
I would encourage you to click on the hyperlinks, as they can direct you to interesting articles and videos. Where I am referencing General Gallois, there are two hyperlinks that will take you to an interview with him, and what he says is of particular significance because he sat in on meetings where the dismantling of Yugoslavia was planned by the Western elites. Some of the links in the section about Ukraine will likewise connect you to excellent short documentaries about the devastating war in that country, as well as the restoration of Nazism in Eastern Europe.
Enclosed are three other articles I wrote recently that touch on similar themes, and which you may also appreciate:
*Is Nuclear War Our Destiny (https://www.globalresearch.ca/is-nuclear-war-our-destiny/5661600)
*Black Sun Over Kiev (https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/11/black-sun-over-kiev/)
*Racism, Sexism, and Homophobia: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit of American Liberalism (https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/10/racism-sexism-and-homophobia-the-father-the-son-and-the-holy-spirit-of-american-liberalism/)
Greetings Mr. Penner,
Thank you for this article, and the links to some others — read the unholy trinity article — to judge by the comments above, your writing, is desired content.
Like everyone else, having an axe to grind, am always looking for an opportunity to impose on others . . .
Rather lengthy, but complete, book on socialism, above, highlights in its conclusion the fundamental ruling principle of this type of ‘government’; in other words, recommending the final chapters to start with, as a distilled introduction into socialism, as an age old phenomenon.
Mr. Shaferivich’s conclusions tie-in to your thoughts quite convincingly. He stands alone in this world.
Merry Christmas Andrei!,
I’ve been thinking about your assertion a while back that Washington’s regime is the bloodiest, most diabolical regime in the history of our world. I’ve come to agree with you. Not that I didn’t agree with you then, maybe I just wasn’t ready to admit as such. Their biggest travesty however is unfolding as we speak with Washington and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople’s scheme to split the Eastern Orthodox Church not only in Ukraine but worldwide. The Anglo Zionist Empire respects nothing, they feel the need to claim dominion over everything and everybody, even God’s Church.
May the Almighty God bless you and yours in this New Year Andrei.
Dmitry (My Orthodox Name)
МИР БОЖИЈИ , ХРИСТОС СЕ РОДИ. !
свим православним верницима
Here another details about the enemies of Yougoslavia (Serbia) coming from French officer Jacques Hogard
in Kosovo during post war (post bombardment) period under NATO-KFOR control.
When Serbian civilians ran from Pec, they were attacked by Albanian terrorists. I took a helicopter and dispelled them with gunfire from air. Several minutes after the action was over, I got a call from British General Mason, who asked how come, and could it be possible that the fire was opened against his people. I replied : ’I cannot understand that your spec. Units sided with bandits who shoot civilians’.
“Mason was quiet,” said Hogard
Jacques Hogard: British SAS and Americans were attacking Serbian Churches, Monasteries, Refugees
Merry Christmas to all Orthodox on Julian calendar !
_ ” attaced by Albanian terrorists __” …
There is very noticable use of term albania , albanians,,,
First , one should remember that state Albania was created_inventrd_manufactured by minds of special service , military and diplomacy minds from austrian_hungary , in 1913. Notice , repeated , state created in 1913. As byproduct of results of I balkan war ( 1912_1913). Before it was created , it was part of turkish ottoman rule. But people living there called themselves shiptars , squipe , and that teritory , squperia. That was tribe , shiptars , and language , shiptar. But nobody uses these names nowdays ,_ maybe only shiptars themselves. You can not call tribe , clan , a state. So austro_hungary invented and forced use of those new names.
So word albanians is used.
Those terrorist forces french officer mentions , are ” highly likely ” british SAS special units leading group of kosmet shiptars , both united against serbs.
If content of names are more clearly discerned , then their actions and intentions could also be more understood.
Now , something like 100 or so years after 1913 , british want to continue use of albania to complicate game and prepare some new war on balkans. When british at last leave EU , they have ” free hands ” , to cook secret operations that would outkome some nice little war. If not against serbia , than against Rusia , even better.
They coordinate moves to complete great albania , since albania is not big enough. But creating great albania could cause that nice little war.
They , with usa , want to expand over more of serbian , montenegro , macedonia and greece. They want to take lands from four countries to make great albania.
But there are 400.000 kosmet shiptars , on kosmet. And they want to make great albania , cause war on balkan , to statisfy needs of 400.000 people there.
Those 400.000 shiptars would gladly leave this area if europe give them visa passes. But they do not give shiptars visa but forcifully keep them there. How would they make great albania if kosmet 400.000 shiptars live and let kosmet empty space.
I watched Trumps recent press conference on CSPAN last week. Here was Trump in all his oafish, bragging, freewheeling, off-the-cuff ramblings. In explaining his decision to withdraw troops from Syria he repeats all of the neo-con nonsense about the “Iran threat,” all of the empires rationale for its illegal regime change operations and all the self-defeating and ridiculous sanctions.
Trying to pretend that the purpose of US operations in Syria was to “defeat ISIS” and claiming that the failure of this operation was actually a victory is, of course, complete fiction, however it could provide face-saving cover for the Empire. But the deep state, the democrats, and the media jackals are so determined to keep the military gravy train going and also so blinded by their hatred for the man that they cannot see that this COULD be a way to save the country from financial ruin. and begin to reign in this uncontrolled military juggernaut.
It’s hardly a stretch to say that Trump is not proposing this because he is some peace loving pacifist. Maybe he’s just looking at the numbers and stating the obvious? Maybe he’s just trying to do the opposite of the war-mongering, regime-changing Obama? Whatever the case, the Empire is losing/has lost on many fronts. And the Neo-Cons and their Neo-liberal lackeys on the Democratic side have done considerable damage to the military with the non-stop war making. Apparently the money is too good so they are in no mood for changing course.
I never thought I’d see the Democrats and Liberals be so lost in Red-baiting, war hysteria. I never thought that the “left” would cheerfully destroy the working class and call for open borders and defend the corporate state. But here they are. The fact that the “Liberals” continue to attack Trump FROM THE RIGHT is indication of the desperation coming from the centers of Western capitalism. This is truly a fascist country with two right-wing parties willing to do whatever the money managers demand.
I live in the north and am very much in the minority with this view.
_ ” cover for Empire ” _
What is content and meaning of word empire ?
In earlier considerations word empire was added to some state having very large surface area. In several centurires behind , there were empires like this :
1. British colonial empire ,
2. Mongolian empire of ghingis can ( 1270-1368 )
3. Rusian empire ( 1721-1917 ) , with borders as from 1866 ,
That would be all of empires.
Couple decades before its internal desintegration SSSR was largest state on Earth.
During those years China had many hundred millions people , but nobody called china empire. So number of population does not make country empire.
In 18th century rusia was respectable miltary power. In 19th century it was respectable cultural power. In 20th it became world power state.
But , in europe there were also couple of states that for some span of years could have been called , empire.
For example , France. At begining of 19th century almost all of europe was occupied and conquered by Napoleon. He controlled very large teritory , but it was not enough for him , so he tried to conquer Rusia. He tried , but failed.
In 20th century hitler also conquered almost all of europe , or say , all europe. But also it was not enough for him , so he tried to conquer Rusia , but failed. Yes , hitler diď not call his state empire , but Reich. Big german reich , for thousad of years to come. But it lasted only several years. Like france before.
So there is no empire no. 5.
If you mentioned empire , perhaps meaning usa , or usa empire , on what facts could it be based. America is big world-police-state, have thousand military bases around world , but does it make her empire.
Does it make usa reich , altough there are elements of actions like reich.
So , question is : what is america , usa ?
When no weapons manufacture can be for profit, and the debt based system of money creation is stopped from driving profit-at-anybody-else’s cost, then we will see the war parties shrivel.
An Australian comedy team went round middle USA suburbs showing pictures of peasants minding sheep, telling US people ” The president wants to bomb these people of ____stan, do you agree?” 98% of US people interviewed said ” well, if the president says so, we better bomb them. Democracy is only as good as the education and media system allow.
The issue is decentralization vs centralization which favours Big Weapons Manufacturers, Mass media and Big Banks.
To quote from above:
“Liberal saint Obama, in comparing the reunification of Crimea and Russia with the Iraq War, informs us that the “annexation of Crimea” – which was enthusiastically backed by the overwhelming majority of Crimeans – was worse than the invasion of Iraq, which resulted in a million deaths, destroyed a civilization and fueled the rise of ISIS.”
If memory serves correctly, we recall that those people in Crimea who opposed the “reunification” decided to take some sort of weird “high road” attitude and became convinced that to demonstrate the illegality of those reunification elections they should simply boycott them and not vote at all.—It was a colossal blunder, of course, because all the yelling about illegality meant nothing versus the concrete outcome, that seemingly 99% people who voted did so favoring the “reunification”—because those opposed simply did not vote at all!
‘Humanitarian interventionism’ is carried out when the moral case for such a policy does not conflict with the interests of the intervening nation: otherwise it is a policy of ‘humanitarian non-interventionism’. The pattern of history is clear. Power (manifested as interest) has been present in every conflict of the past – no exception. It is the underlying motivation for war. Other cultural factors might change, but not power. Interest cuts across all apparently unifying principles: family, kin, nation, religion, ideology, politics – everything. We unite with the enemies of our principles, because that is what serves our interest. It is power, not any of the above concepts, that is the cause of war. As we enter this new year, of this young century – millennium – the portent of history is dire.
@ David Penner
Regarding your lines _
__Article in the guardian titled ” serbs enslaved muslim women at rape camps” __
There is article in the washington post , dec 20 , 2018 ,
by rick noack and luisa beck ,
about ” famous young reporter ” , Claas Relotius
Well , since appearance of your post here , truth seem to knocks on doors…
It turns out that claas relotius was freely fabricating his articles ,
as washington post titled mentioned article , as , :
When news really is fake : german reporter admits fabricating coverage at leading news magazine ( washington post , dec 20 .2018 )
That yournalist was brightest star of german and european magazines , journalist of the year , european press prize , forbes list of 30 under 30 , europe awards, yournalist of 2014 _ cnn award , writing texts for der spiegel , FAZ , german financial times , TAZ, Welt , tages woche , NZZ am sontag ,2012 swiss award best young reporter, austrian for best reportage ,2013 , four times german reporters award , 2013, 2015,2016,2018 , international award european press , 2017 , liberty award , year award of catholic media ,
… And all these awards for fake news …
published in all those magazines , all those years
Should i mention that he wrote texts on balkans , former yugoslavia ,
explainning his true , honest opinion , to his devouted european readers.
Question is , how those editors in all those magazines did not notice his fake news , or they accepted them as part of propaganda and lies techniques.
People read some text _ think its true , form their opinon ,
say about willian serbs , and latter it appears to be lie.
But fake news formed initial belief. And stayed in mind.
And after years of lies , der spiegel editor in chief , ulrich fichtner , admits as ,
” Low point in 70 year history of spiegel .”
Consider than , or say , multiply :
Number of lies =
number of magazines * number of texts * number of yournalists * number of years printed / divided by number of possible true texts
But in the meantime ,
one only can rely on honest oath of other western journalists :
Truth , and nothing but the truth ,
So help me … Baron Minhausen.
Until we , possibly , learn about another famous journalist(s) , and their sets of lies.
@ David Penner
This text of yours broadly and deeply , with understanding , explains events , elements of war in balkans and middle east…and their connection with usa
What connects those elements are role of high ranking persons involved in operational exposition of some very highest performed false flag operations .
Some elements mentioned , were mentioned separately , but they are connected , since they have same connection – usa and its plans worldwide.
You mentioned :
_ us military use of … Isis … as proxies ….
_ rise of taliban is direct result of washington support ” _
So , when we combine these two equations , result is
_ isis proxies is direct result of washington support _
But there are other equations still not connected to appear.
Lets start with kosovo and metohija false flag operation.
Highly important to nato plans for decades to come.
To explain need of military nato operation ” highly belivable ” false operation started … with william walker , known also as ambassador walker , but leser known as usa army general ( retired ) william walker. Good use of retired generals.
So rank of operation leader shows element value in equation . rank of general.
After usa general walker succesfully completed famous operation racak massacre , name of this false flag operation , nato military mechanisam moved.
And results are infantry nato battles against serbian infantry , bombing of serbia in 1999 , occupation of serbia in 2000 , and so on…
Then there is another field of usa army and cia operations , afganistan.
During unfortunate rusian military involvment in afganistan ,
Cia organised and supplied weapons to “resistance fighters ” against rusian soldiers
That is when role of osama bin laden starts.
Person forgotten nowdays. But important one. Precious one.
But also very important person to washington plans.
Ultra wealthy millionare , saudi arabia citizen , high ranking cia operative.
Osama father , billionare , close connections with saudi royal familly,
but also very close friend , with position of familly friend to potus bush.
So , we have another elements for another equation.
Father close friend to usa president
Son , high ranking cia operative.
But osama cia operative also formed al quaeda organization.
So al quaeda is cia organization.
Another element in equation.
Osama bin laden had rank as general emir of al_quaeda.
So osama was general of al quaeda , and rank general in cia.
Two men with ranks of generals very important to usa false flag operations.
General walker ,
General osama bin laden.
Another elements in equations.
In the meantime osama family anounses him persona_non_grata
Also saudi government . ignoramus et ignoramibus.
So operation ” we wash our hands ” is done.
they are not involved in events to come. As planned.
What important flag operation came ? Tragic 9/11 . two towers , pentagon burnt.
After through investigation , it turned out that al quaeda organized it.
And hunt for cia general obama started.
But they did not hunt him in saudi arabia,
But in afganistan , not in new zelland , afganistan , border with rusia.
They searched , many thousand usa soldiers , but general osama was not found.
While searching teritory , fields of afganistan , they did not find osama
, but they found that there are a lot of neglected filds , that could be better used , for production of …heroine. And afganistan became greatest producer of heroin , under cia and us army guidance , but only as side effects.
Ten times greater production after americans came. World suppliers. Good stuff.
Something like gold triangle of opium production , like in vietnam , laos ,burma , also present wit cia and us army personnel.
Famous generals war lords of heroins , retired in california and florida, …
But after years of hard search parties ,
it turned osama was in next country , pakistan.
Pakistan-cia did not tell usa-cia that osama was there .
After that was found ,
team of navy seals was sent to remove general osama.
After successful job done , navy team entered chopter ,
that was unfortunately shot down.
No witneses to job well done. All 34 of them.
That turned some suspitions about that job well done.
Continuation of use of false flag operations of course continued.
In form of” white helmets ”
And use of al quaeda in form of isis.
After use of some mathematical equations ,
and dots connected , new frame.
Old roles. Old boys service.
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