By Rostislav Ishchenko
Translated by Ollie Richardson and Angelina Siard
cross posted with http://www.stalkerzone.org/rostislav-ishchenko-putin-and-trumps-unagreed-agreement-a-catastrophe-for-europe/
Contradictions between Russia and the US are so substantial and common ground is so small that the vast majority of experts, recognising the importance of the fact of the meeting in Helsinki itself, nevertheless stressed that one shouldn’t expect some breakthrough in bilateral relations or at least reaching an agreement on one minor question…
Washington and Moscow have no minor questions and, taking into account the global level of the standoff, even such unnecessary and burdensome things for the US as Ukraine (which there is a need to first of all relinquish), can’t be handed over by Trump without any conditions (or at least not yet). This is an asset, even if it is garbage, and it is necessary to sell it, even cheaply. At least, Washington isn’t yet ready to throw Kiev into the political garbage heap, having recognised that in 2014 they mistakenly acquired rotten goods.
So, we have a situation where both parties even prior to negotiations knew that they wouldn’t be able to come to some arrangement, and they didn’t even prepare for such a thing (it wasn’t planned to sign anything following the results of negotiations). At the same time both parties needed the event to be successful. Trump obviously blackmails the European Union with a possible agreement with Russia. But Putin also needs to show Europe that there are other fish in the sea besides them. The Europeans, who were already abandoned by the US, have been turning towards Russia for too long and with uncertainty. Moreover, they constantly send signals to Washington about their readiness to more or less preserve their rigid anti-Russian position (in things that don’t concern the gas supply) if Trump stops “undermining transatlantic solidarity”.
The position of Europe is clear. It isn’t a coincidence that Trump, while enumerating the enemies of the US (the EU, China, and Russia) made it clear that he considers Russia to be the smaller problem, because there are practically no economic contradictions (“Nord Stream-2” doesn’t count) with it. It’s not China, with which the US has the biggest negative trade balance, but the EU, which Trump fairly defined as the main trade competitor receiving unjustified economic benefits from political agreements with the US, that is the main enemy of the US.
In these conditions, America hypothetically resolving its military-political contradictions with Russia reduced the value of the EU as an ally for Washington to zero. In this case Trump, who already threatened European leaders, could indeed end all military-political and economic agreements with Europe, which, in turn, would be fraught with a political and economic catastrophe for the European Union.
Neither the Russian nor the Chinese market can simultaneously consume in one fell swoop the entire volume of the EU’s export to the US. On the contrary, both Beijing and Moscow carry out profitable trade with the European Union. In this direction the EU covered its deficit thanks to making profit from trade with the US. Europe used (and hoped to continue to use it) its role of a springboard for the fight against Russia as an argument that was supposed to keep Trump away from making the last step (complete separation with the EU). In recent days, Merkel, after the NATO summit, started talking literally with Poroshenko’s words, declaring that Trump’s pretensions to Europe concerning the insufficient financial contribution to NATO aren’t justified, because Europe battles with Russia for the interests of the US.
For the EU it was crucial that this argument continued to work. Otherwise, Washington indeed would have more common ground with Moscow than with Brussels. And Europe isn’t ready for a sharp confrontation with the US. Having rested on its laurels, it wasn’t engaged (in difference, for example, from China) in the diversification of economic ties and appeared to be strongly dependent on access to the American market.
Without having risked to be ahead Trump in the question of normalising relations with Russia, EU leaders were fatally afraid that Trump and Putin, despite all difficulties, will do the impossible and reach an agreement, especially as both proved to be people who are ready to instantly make decisions that change the destiny of the world.
The position taken by the EU raised the value of the summit for Russia too. Concerning relations with the US, Moscow can wait until Washington is ready for reconciliation on its conditions. But, taking into account the obvious intention of Europe to manoeuvre between Russia and the US, trying to preserve the geopolitical configuration that is profitable for itself, but doesn’t suit either Trump nor Putin, Russia was also interested in showing to the whole world the success of the summit and good prospects for achieving definitive and comprehensive agreements.
And it is indeed this task that was the most difficult problem for both parties. Think about it. You know that you can’t reach an agreement. You also know that the whole world is afraid of your agreement, because playing on your contradictions helped many countries to rise, become stronger, and start laying down claims for the first roles. A Russian-American agreement would’ve immediately cancelled out half (if not more) these achievements. You know that everybody knows that you can’t reach an agreement, and everyone closely watches the results of your meeting.
It is possible to try to dupe observers and to present some communiqué that means nothing as an agreement. Hundreds, if not thousands of journalists and “experts” from hot-air shows would be deceived. They, in turn, would deceive millions of readers and viewers. But this will give nothing. Professional politicians and diplomats can’t be caught on chaff. They will immediately understand that you achieve anything and that you are simply trying to hide this failure, and will start to act in the corresponding manner. The opinion of “ochlos“ in this case doesn’t play a role — international politics isn’t elections, decisions aren’t made by universal suffrage and are never transparent.
Trump and Putin were faced with the task of holding the meeting in such a way that nobody would be deceived concerning its results, but nevertheless selling to the world the absence of any decisions as a serious success. And this is what they did.
Just the phrase of Putin that he at first was sceptical about the meeting giving any result, but conversation was very promising and there is sense in having further regular meetings, is worth a lot by itself. Approximately the same assessment, only in other expressions, sounded from Trump’s lips.
For Europe this is a catastrophe. It means that in the near future Washington has to avoid strengthening the confrontation with Russia, because dialogue with it started to be outlined with the possibility of arriving at some agreements. What was so constructive about what Trump offered to Putin that made the Russian president sharply raise his assessment of the productivity of the meeting, nobody knows. But Europeans know the American tradition – brought to perfection by Trump – of solving their problems at the expense of former allies when their services become unneeded. And they are afraid and try to guess who (or what) Washington decided to sacrifice this time.
The absolute predictability of the results of the meeting played a mean trick on European politicians. They very much got used to a two-dimensional world where everything that isn’t a victory is a defeat; they very much expected clashes between the personal ambitions of Putin and Trump so much so that the elementary move – documenting the contradictions, discussing the versions of decisions proposed by the parties, and, without anticipating the result, agreeing to hold further negotiations – turned out for them to be an unpleasant surprise that is worse than if Trump had directly recognised Crimea as Russian and withdrew the US from NATO in Helsinki.
It would be at least some certainty. It would be clear for them what to do and how to react. And what to do in the circumstances? Where to run: to Washington or to Moscow? To remain loyal to an old suzerain or to try to adhere to a new one before the others do? How to solve the contradictions inside the EU? And there are still a lot of important questions that remain unanswered.
Moreover, unlike Russia, Europe can’t wait. By meeting Putin, Trump brought the US out of zugzwang, having handed over to the European Union the right to make this same move, which only its worsens position.
After all, according to the logic of how events developed that politicians and diplomats have to obligatorily take into account, consultations between Moscow and Washington must start for the purpose of arriving at concrete agreements. They can fruitlessly last months and even years, but can almost suddenly yield fruits.
If the EU wants to remain in the game, then it must formulate its position and its proposals before Moscow and Washington reach an agreement. Otherwise an agreement will be reached at the expense of the EU. In this case Europe won’t even be invited to the table, similar to how Ukraine hasn’t been invited for more than a year, and in passing, among really important problems, attempts were made to parr it off onto each other to supplement real bonuses received in other directions.
It did not take long,for Trump to capitulate to the Deep State,in less than 24h:
“I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,” Trump said. “Could be other people also. A lot of people out there,” he added.
He probably wants to avoid a JFK 2.0
Trump Reverses: “I Accept Intelligence Conclusion That Russia Meddled In 2016”
Russia Liquidates Its US Treasury Holdings
MSNBC Guest Suggests Helsinki Summit Worse Than Nazi Pogrom, Bombings
It is ‘capitulation day’ on both sides:Putin as well
Russia ready to extend current contract on gas transit via Ukraine — energy minister
Did you think Putin would not give gas to Ukraine? The issues with Ukraine are the court settlement of billions and the 3 Billion loaned the few days before Maidan.
Freezing the Ukies is not in Russia’s interest.
One day, most of Ukraine will be Russian.
That is correct. At least 70 % of current Ukraine will indeed rejoin Russia, as the first Russian state was centered in Kiev.
“That is correct. At least 70 % of current Ukraine will indeed rejoin Russia, ”
-Not if opinion polls are anything to go by.
And whose opinion polls are we talking about ? Did those polls say anything about 4.4 million Ukrainians fleeing to Russia by December of 2017 and that currently 100.000 Ukrainians are leaving Ukraine every month ? Why didn’t Poroshenko attack the Donbass during the presidential elections in Russia, or during the World Cup ? He did not dare, as the Ukrainian Army is seeing mass desertions. Currently one million people in Kiev do not have hot water in their apartments and houses, as the Government has not payed its energy bills. Not a pretty sight in Poroshenklo’s Ukraine.
I think making them freeze can make that day come much faster.
Making innocents freeze for the actions of fascist elites in the pay of the USA, would be immoral, so I doubt that Putin would contemplate doing it.
Immoral ? So ,you suggest Russia should supply ukraine with gas for free ?
To steal Russian gas and $$$ that’s what is immoral. Putin has emphasize once again : We do not mind to sell gas to Ukr. if debt is settled.
Is this moral . Yes !
I agree with you on all but your last point. Why? Because Russia’s national interest isn’t threatened by some gas flowing into and through the Ukraine. The bulk of the additional gas for the EU will transit Nord Stream2 and directly benefit German industry and German government revenues via transit fees. Yes, as Pepe Escobar points out today, it’s that German problem again (partnering with Russia on anything geopolitically meaningful). The Ukraine becoming a formal NATO ally? Yup, that’s a threat. And a red line for Russia.
The problem for many of us is that we have sentimental attachments to geopolitical outcomes that satisfy our emotional attachments to one party or another. Leaders who are statesmen can distinguish between what is fundamental to their national interests and what is necessary to maintain peaceful if sometimes fraught relations with bordering nations. It can come across to us as a crass calculation, a realpolitik that resonates as a heartlessness dismissive of enduring civilized human values.
For example, I have had to temper my sentiments to see Syria recover the Golan Heights. As far as I know, no nation recognizes Israeli sovereignty and many UN resolutions over the years have affirmed Syrian sovereignty. Syria needs every resource it can use to rebuild itself and Golan gas/oil will help with the likely US$300+ billion bill. Russia can live with Israel maintaining its possession as a sovereign or some variety of shared interest with Syria if that means a genuine peace in the region that drives a political stake through Israel’s Yinon Plan ambitions, sees the zionist inspired cabal withdraw from Syria enforceably and definitively and ends movement of terrorists from the middle east into southern Russia. As much as Russia has emphasized how critical respect for national sovereignty is to it and has gambled the lives of its soldiers doing so, an abiding, reliable defensible peace is in Russia’s interest from its point of view. I’m not convinced Israel is capable of such an outcome and may yet snatch disaster from the jaws of defeat.
I can live with the peace I generalized about above, even if my sentiments propel me to desire other outcomes. I trust you will not take it amiss if I cite the following:
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” I Corinthians, 13:11
@Pogo. Re Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan, see what Asia Times learned, as reported in Pepe’s article: Dr.Assad will agree to have Iran withraw from Syrian territory if Israel will Likewise. Coul one possibly act fairer and more grownup than that?
“I have contacted the Enemy and He is Us”. — Pogo Possum
war is coming
Capitulation day for Putin as well ? You must be joking. To whom is Putin capitulating ? As for gas transit to Ukraine, Putin is playing the waiting game. He has no intention of alienating the population of Ukraine (the neo-Nazis of western Ukraine being the exception). Ukrainians are descendants of Russians, and the first Russian state was centered in Kiev. As analysts are already predicting, Ukraine is bound to break up into three parts. This means that Putin is looking into at least 70 % of current Ukraine rejoining Russia. Putin knows what he is doing. Patience is a Russian virtue.
“As analysts are already predicting, Ukraine is bound to break up into three parts. This means that Putin is looking into at least 70 % of current Ukraine rejoining Russia. Putin knows what he is doing. Patience is a Russian virtue.”
-Are these the same analysts who has been predicting an Ukrainian collapse for 4 years now?
I wouldn’t take all these analysts talk of a break up so serious.. Everyone says that every opposing country is bound to break up and fall apart. USA is suppose to collapse at any moment, Russia is suppose to collapse in any moment, China is suppose to break apart at any moment, the Ukrainian state is suppose to collapse at any moment, EU is suppose to collapse at any moment. The world economy is suppose to collapse at any moment…
How many of these things has actually collapsed? In 5 years people will still be saying that Ukraine will collapse at any moment, that Russia, China, USA, EU will do the same.
Analysts have not been predicting a Ukrainian collapse four years in a row. They began doing that in 2017, after it became apparent that Ukraine has no future, bearing in mind it’s plundered by Poroshenko and his oligarchs, aided by western corporations.
Seems to me that “analysts” have been observing and documenting the Ukraine collapse for the last four years.
It cost Trump nothing to say that. Both he and Vladimir Putin know that. By doing so, he disarms his domestic adversaries. Hint: They need disarming.
I think Trump’s “misspoke” statements are poking fun at his critics, whilst simultaneously disarming ’em.
Well, what we largely see is that the patriotic Y-tube vid of the Helsinki Pressconference has more than double the hits of CNN’s and the garbage front.
And that it seems all Judahists/Zionists and their fellowship is going panic crazy all over, crying Pear Harbor !! (We know by now what this stands for, don’t we ??!)
Resume: A great victory !
Now let’s make another step, and the ratpack might heat up to the point of collective spontaneous combustion.
Just another veil is sweeping to the side giving way to a view of a huge segment of totally mentally ill and absolutly corrupted society who’s need for war is such as that of any junckie addict around the corner for his next shot.
I really pity them, lost souls without any hope for redemption. In the end they will beg for the bullet.
Sadly – I have to agree………how long until the propagandized idiots in the US will chant ‘we want war!’….’we want war!’…’we want war!’……? The mob has completely lost the faculty of reason and self-preservation. Or did they – after all, it is mostly the MSM and their pundits that had a melt down after the summit – what is the average Joe thinking about geopolitical affairs? or does it matter, as historically between the MSM and the establishment decisions are made as backroom dealings.
I just watched the movie about Knight Rider ‘Shock and Awe’ – condensed into one sentence by a mimed soldier at the very beginning of the movie: ‘How the hell did this happen……..?’
US neocons can beat their drums & warmonger ’til the cows come home, but the american people & US military are NOT willing to initiate/fight a war with RU.
The Deep State swamp creatures in Wash. DC are playing a losing game by expired rules… they’re oblivious to their own irrelevance.
A multi-polar world wherein the US & Russia are civil, nee friendly competitors is all but inevitable, as future pan-national alliances will be tribal, not political.
“Accepting” their conclusion does not mean “agreeing” with their conclusion. He is politically saying he acknowledge that they have concluded this way but…he is not in agreement.
what a thorough and sober analysis.
I’m just joking,
hoping you too…
Interesting article. However, how accurate is it ?
We have Russia, the US and the EU. Russia and the US are states, while the EU is a collection of states, where in 2014 some 2/3 of the populations did not want their countries to be part of the EU.
Can Russia and the US ever get along, creating a lasting economic and political relationship ? Highly unlikely. There was a slight possibility for this in 1863, when Lincoln begged Alexander II of Russia for help. He was in big trouble. His Army of the Potomac was losing battles against the Army of Northern Virginia, while both Britain and France were preparing to recognize the Confederacy, preparing to send their naval forces to the Confederate South. Alexander II sent the Russian Pacific Fleet to San Francisco and the Baltic Fleet to New York, something American historians went out of their way to either ignore or belittle. Britain and France backed down. Lincoln was assassinated in 1865 and Alexander II in 1881. Why ? Because both started relying on their own domestic currencies, and there was a possibility of a political and economic partnership. The globalists of the day, ie. private bankers, were none too happy about that, and both leaders were removed from power. The US was later on turned against Russia. Wall Street bankers directly financed the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, while Britain refused to grant the Tzar and his family sanctuary, leaving them to their fate. US hostility towards Russia remains. The bulk of the US population, while not wishing to see a nuclear confrontation, is hostile towards Russia, this hostility enhanced by the US corporate media.
And the EU ? It’s an Anglo-American creation, based on the US Federation. Both the US and EU have private central banks. The EU is the civilian component of NATO. It was created to curtail the sovereign status of European nations, especially Germany, preventing it from joining the Russian (and later on Chinese) economic camp. What benefits Germany had from the EU is debatable. Yes, it is the powerhouse of the EU. However, it’s largest bank, Deutsche Bank, is looking into bankruptcy. Analysts state that if it should collapse, it will pull with it the banking institutions of France and Italy.
The article states that Trump considers the EU the main trade competitor of the US, which cannot easily be accepted bearing in mind China’s exports to the US. On the other hand, Trump must know what the situation in the EU is. The bulk of the populations of EU countries are against the EU. In 2017 the EU Central Bank was printing 60 billion euros a month backed by nothing. The bulk of EU countries are looking into debt, while analysts are stating that the EU itself is looking into dissolution. Yes, the article is correct when it states that Europe is looking towards Russia, more specifically towards Russia and China.
And Trump? He must know that the days of the EU are numbered. Should it break up, as it will, it will give Germany an open road to join the Russian-German economic camp. When Macron visited Washington, Trump offered him a tempting trade deal on condition France left the EU. Why ? Is he trying to reincarnate the old British-French-Russian-American alliance against Germany, which would also be directed against China ? The old divide and conquer tactic ? I don’t think either the Russians or Chinese would fall for it.
The point is that the US is in worse financial shape than the EU. It has the largest foreign and domestic debt in the world, while the dollar is printed backed by nothing. The US Defense Budget is approximately 1,2 trillion dollars a year, and this cannot be sustained permanently, certainly not when the US also has to cover the bulk of NATO’s expenses. Both the Russians and Chinese know this. Their chief concern is that the neocons in the US won’t do anything impulsive, like starting a wider military conflict in the foolish belief that the US is still supreme. However, both the Russians and Chinese have no intention of relinquishing their economic partnership, hoping to bring Germany into it, and any other European country which wants to do so. Iran will almost certainly join it.
What Trump hopes to achieve is an enigma. Can he pay off the colossal US foreign and domestic debt ? Can he rebuild US infrastructure, bearing in mind 70.000 factories have been closed down ? Can he sustain the huge US Defense budget ? Can he control the neocons, the so-called Deep State ? I think not. Once even the neocons grasp the full picture, not even they will risk a wider war, bearing in mind that for years they have been preparing hideaways in foreign countries, like New Zealand and Tasmania.
And Russia and China ? They will keep the situation calm and wait for the US to implode financially, after which both will introduce gold backed currencies, as stated by analysts. The US will after that be relegated to the status of a third world country. Even it’s future political unity is questionable.
“…Can he pay off the colossal US foreign and domestic debt ?…”
No country will ever pay off it’s national debt. No country can do this. This has been known for a very long time. Why is this the case? Because that would extinguish the money supply also. It really is that simple. If you don’t believe it, ask an economist, such as the ones that Saker occasionally posts articles from. Ask Paul Craig Roberts. Economists look at national/public debt very differently than the vast majority of the population.
Otherwise, BF, you make very good points.
@Anonymus ‘No country will ever pay off it’s national debt’ and ‘ that would extinguish the money supply also’. This assertion is only true if one applies the ‘magic’ funny money paradigm so en vogue today.
In reality however credit is always handed out against a collateral which represents accumulated wealth not 100%, but a large percentage. Thus in fact in this transaction credit becomes additional wealth if it is being repaid out of additional wealth created (eg. building a house or factory), and from this point can act as new collateral for new credit.
Anything else is money ‘ magic’ as thought by the usual agencies of zion…wake up !
A entity with steady growing debt will soon reach the point where all it’s activity will be consumed for paying the interest, it will not be able even to invest into keeping up his infrastructure productive and thus will end up with a huge debt and absolutly no means whatsoever to even pay the interest, at which point it goes bankrupt and becomes the property of soemone else, nice is it not ?!
And it is even nicer how ‘history’ managed to fool almost the whole planet into this scheme.
If the steadily growing debt is matched by a steadily growing income to service the debt interest then no need for bankruptcy.
“Steadily growing income to service the debt”. And what growing income is that ? You mean printing dollars backed by nothing ? Countries are already discarding the US dollar. What is the US going to do when a heap of dollars return home ?
Countries are already discarding the US dollar.
As of May 2108, the change 2017-18 was +2% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Foreign_holders_of_US_Treasury_securities
What is the US going to do when a heap of dollars return home ?
long text quote from above link removed …. mod
Now, if (when) the US can no longer pay the interest on the increasing debt … that’s another ball game.
HDan is confusing the problems of currency users with currency issuers. The issues of a government cannot be compared to ordinary people or firms in the economy. The government is nothing like a family or company.
”No country will ever pay off its national debt.” Then it will go bankrupt or default which amounts to the same thing. The thing about debt is that it must be serviced with regular interest payments. The lenders know this and are prepared to keep rolling over their loans in perpetuity, except for basket cases like Ukraine who have sovereign ratings from S&P, Moody’s and Fitch of Caa, B- and B-
No such thing as a free lunch even if, like the US, you can print green paper and foist on the rest of the world and call it money.
Paying off the national debt is always huge problem. However, take a look at Russia. It has virtually payed off it’s entire foreign debt, something Western bankers did not expect. Private bankers love to see sovereign countries drowning in debt, as then such countries can be manipulated with. Just take a look at Greece and see what the EU is doing to it, forcing it on a course of austerity and making other demands.
Yes, BF, Greece indeed is an example, but it is an example of a country that does not have its own currency. This is another well known pattern to economists, countries in currency unions. This is always a bad thing for smaller countries to be in. Countries like Japan, however, that has a massive debt to gdp ratio, doesn’t have problems like Greece! And so a very important aspect of this is the ‘apples – oranges’ comparison of dissimilar economies. Sovereign Countries don’t go bankrupt! But if they are in a currency union, like Greece, then they can. It’s a matter of enforcement. And you have to be careful with ‘foreign debt’ vs national/public debt. Russia has a national debt of something like 12.6 trillion rubles.
Japan hasn’t gone, and won’t go, bankrupt, even though so many commenters say that it is a country that should have gone bankrupt long ago, Japan has a huge debt to gdp ratio. How can this be? Bankruptcy does not apply to truly sovereign nations. No one can enforce bankruptcy on Japan, the debt is within their own system, it isn’t intergovernmental.
There are wrinkles in this, such as intergovernmental debt, that is also completely different. An example is the war debt of UK to the US, from the wars, resulted in loss of empire.
It still stands, that no country can pay off it’s national debt, as it would extinguish the money supply, none ever has. That also applies outside of the western banking system countries. That even goes back to the days of the gold standard. HDan, do you have an example for what you are writing? Name a country.
Another example of extremely bad debt is IMF loans. These directly illustrate the need to examine the issues on a case basis. The IMF loans are designed to destroy sovereign power. And so it is easy to see why people get confused by the issues of debt, because so much of it is bad. But just remember Japan, it doesn’t have the problems.
Not all money is debt-based. There is also state-issued debt-free money, such as prevailed before the American revolution, and was brought back by Lincoln with his state-issued greenbacks. The National Socialist ‘economic miracle’ in Germany was likewise funded. By the way, Trump’s first wife told Vanity Fair, when they were getting divorced, that Trump’s only bedside reading was a book of Hitler’s speeches.
Trump support for the Europhobes is leading to Brexit and the disintegration of E.U. as a cohesive economical competitor, the rise of anti-E.U. parties in France, Hungary and Italy It is blocking the formation of an integrated Eurasian market, from Lisbon to Vladivostok and Bergen to Hong Kong.
Trump is destabilizing E.U. by his support for the extreme-right while at the same time weapomizing the invasion of a hoards of refugees from failed states, created by USG’s never ending wars.
These unfortunate fleeing migrants, unintentionally, put pressure on the European foundations of the liberal democracy; which is an essential prerequisite for survival of the politically feeble and multi-ethnic economic giant E.U.
This would in one go explain Trump’s behavior as the “crazed elephant” in the Trans-Atlantic china shop. Trump divide and rule it’s most powerful economical competitor, E.U. and harness the latter’s economical strength in competing with RusChina.
That orange blimp in London represents the Orange Doofus perfectly: it goes where the wind blows. But that seems to be normal for him, it always was.
What I don’t get is – why does a country that practically engineered the modern economic system in Breton Woods, only country in the world that gets to print the defacto world’s reserve currency, get to whine so much about trade balances?
Trump is either delusional, ie he doesn’t understand how the US dollar as a fiat currency system works. Or he’s bluffing, using it to renegotiate better trade deals/sell MIC junk and to sell the idea to voters that “China stole American jobs”.
Lets debunk same fake internet claims, once and for all
Claim #1: “What benefits Germany had from the EU is debatable.”
50% of German exports are to the other EU countries, after
Germany first destroyed then occupied those markets.
Without the EU common market, Germany is nothing.
Germany would be poor as a 3rd world country.
Claim #2: The US/UK block the EU/Germany to make an alliance with Russia/China.
No, Germany does that. Because Russia/China demand that the EU market is opened up.
Germany is against that because she doesn’t want competition on the EU market.
Claim #3: EU/Germany is a US vassal.
Not true. How can they be vassals, when they even decline to pay 2% GDP for NATO?
Could a vassal dare to say ‘no’ to his master? Of course not. This claim
“EU/Germany is a US vassal” is a perfidious attempt to hide EU/Germany’s
collusion in all the Western wars, crimes, thefts, color revolutions etc. Guilt white-washing.
Like making May 9th Victory day over Nazi Germany into Europe day. Most
vile and disgusting historical revisionism ever made.
Claim #4: Germany is the strongest EU country.
Not true. I wish for the day when all other EU countries realize what I realized:
that Germany is the weakest EU country, and that Germany’s survival depends
and on the good-will of the remaining EU countries to allow German exports into their
countries. They hold all the power over Germany.
I don’t understand your response to claim #4.
As I understand it, the members of the EU are party to the European Single Market, which allows for the free movement of goods, services, capital, and labor between them. So it’s not a matter of “good will”, but rather a condition of membership in the EU, right?
For the EU countries to block German imports, wouldn’t they need to leave the EU?
Maybe we should not see this as a matter of ´goods´.
The problem for Germany is the TARGET-2 balance sheet, wherein the south European states have an outstanding debt of 1 trillion euros to Germany (half of it from Italy), that will most probably never be paid back: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/mish-lashes-out-medias-stunning-ignorance-italys-soaring-target2-capital-flight
That is the real headache.
“Putin and Trump’s Unagreed Agreement – a Catastrophe for Europe”
-*Sigh* it is a bad sign when someone can’t separate EU from Europe.. when people care so little about expressing themselves correctly I feel it is a waste to even read the article.
Europe is a continent, in this continent there are many different countries, with different ideologies and affinities, for example some like USA some hate USA some are neural. One of these countries in Europe is Russia, another is Ukraine, another is Germany another is UK. Inside Europe there is a political and economical union called EU, this union consist of some of the European countries. EU is not Europe.. Europe is not EU. EU is a union inside of Europe made up of some European countries.
Quibble not :D “Europe” in the title is evidently a synecdoche for “European Union”, which is the first reference to the EU in the body of the article.
Agree very much!
This article is a disappointment. The author has done much better analysis than this one.
As you point out, Europe can be many things depending on the definition given. And if you start an analysis under a false premise, the result must be surely faulty.
If at all, last weeks are a gift for “Europe”, and I mean here the European people. Every passing day it becomes clearer how much bought are the elites in this continent at all political levels, from national to EU, and where the future for Europe as a collection of potentially souvereign States lies (hint: eastward).
And please, stop with the farce of “paying for European defence”. The only place where Europe needs a common defence are the Straits of Gibraltar and the Turkish border (and oh, surprise, both Marocco and Turkey are also US allies…). Everything else is MIC marketing and military occupation….
Also the financial / commercial side of the article is also weak, very weak… Europe benefitting from the trade with the US?? LOL! As if having the world reserve currency is not a benefit for the US and a burden for the rest of the world….
curious how everyone knows everything.
as far as we know they talked about soccer for 2 hours.
this idea that Trump is playing some grand scheme and is aware of history…trade..military etc..is beyond the beyond…the guy knows nothing and any demands he makes are coming from someone else…..he may want the EU to offer better trade but it certainly is not part of some grand concept…he only wants to lie about how great he is….Putin..knows this and what would he have t o offer ..knowing full well Trump days are numbered and nothing is changing..since Trump..has given enough ammunition to anti Putin forces that Russia stands much worse today then it ever has.
“By meeting Putin, Trump brought the US out of zugzwang, having handed over to the European Union the right to make this same move… ”
That important statement is worth highlighting as it seems that no mater Trump’s intentions regarding more normal US-Russia relations the elite political class in America won’t allow it. It might help Trump in his present problems if some of our European ‘allies’ were to also sit down with President Putin, shake hands and smile at each other. To say that Trump is in a very dangerous position right now with his political life in the cross-hairs of a powerful, angry and fearful establishment would not be an overstatement.
I believe that you (and maybe the American public in general?) might not be aware that European leaders meet with, and talk to, Putin all the time.
Here are some examples:
15.7.2018 Macron (yes, one day before Trump. They watched the world cup final and also held some talks)
I’m sure you can Google lots more occasions.
Seems really exaggerated to me how everyone is freaking out about Trump joining the club. Pure hysteria.
Hysteria indeed. US MSM a.k.a. the legacy media is freaking out, with the NYT, WaPo, etc., telling Americans they should be deeply worried about this meeting.
Fortunately, this only further damages the already-damaged credibility of the legacy media.
Russian Pranksters’ Call With Juncker Reveals What EU Chief Thinks About Trump
“The President of the European Commission was the latest target of Vladimir ‘Vovan’ Kuznetsov and Alexei ‘Lexus’ Stolyarov, a pair of Russian comedians and pranksters known for their telephone antics involving politicians worldwide.
Introducing themselves to Juncker as Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan shortly after the unrest in Armenia this spring, the prankers expressed hope that Juncker could serve as a mediator between Yerevan and Washington, causing the politician to go into a rant about Donald Trump.
“We have to explain again and again the world to Mr. Trump. He doesn’t understand what is important. We have a better understanding of what is happening in Armenia,” Juncker said.
The European politician also reiterated Brussels’ position on the Iran nuclear deal. “This is a major concern for us, and for me personally because I think this is a major mistake, the one Trump had made yesterday night. We as Europeans are sticking to the Iran deal – France, Germany, Britain, others, including the European Union itself. We stick to that agreement, and we don’t want to destabilize the region. Iran is your neighbor. You have the highest interest in having the whole region being stabilized. So we are working in that direction,” he said.”
“Washington and Moscow have no minor questions and, taking into account the global level of the standoff, even such unnecessary and burdensome things for the US as Ukraine (which there is a need to first of all relinquish), can’t be handed over by Trump without any conditions (or at least not yet). This is an asset, even if it is garbage, and it is necessary to sell it, even cheaply. At least, Washington isn’t yet ready to throw Kiev into the political garbage heap, having recognised that in 2014 they mistakenly acquired rotten goods..”
Washington’s owners set out to ruin the ukraine from the beginning. That was the primary policy goal of their 2014 coup. They didn’t “mistakenly acquired rotten goods”, they intentionally fostered the rot.
The author made a serious fundamental error here, right at the start at the piece.
Ishchenko’s article is a good sketch of some basic geometrical/geopolitical lineups… although the translation makes it rather rough going and I wonder – actually I would suspect – that the original Russian is more pointed, less ambiguous. Nevertheless, I’ll toss in some suggestions to add some dynamism to what Ishchenko paints as a “catastrophe for Europe.” Actually the catastrophe is a tremendous opportunity.
I suppose no one has missed the fact that Trump has been not only on a EU-bashing binge, but quite specifically a Germany-bashing binge. This is clear to the Establishment circles in Germany. Sigmar Gabriel, the former SPD foreign minister, just to take a dramatic example, is convinced that Trump “wants a regime change in Germany.” I really do not think Sigmar is paranoid. Trump has said that the “EU” is just a cover story for German control over Europe.
So, from Trump’s standpoint, you can either break the EU to solve the problem of German control, or you can break that control. Since the second option is preferable, Sigmar is not paranoid. To be sure, Germany – i.e., its current Establishment (just to be clear so that I do not harvest another barrage of “racism” accusations) – leads the pack when it comes to hypocrisy: take the lead in imposing sanctions against Russia while doing gas deals itself with Russia… and, oh, almost forgot, pay next to nothing for all the NATO trip-wire posturing against Russia, while holding onto the “soft power” longer term regime-change-in-Moscow gambit via Kiev.
What this tells us is that Germany is the bastion of Trump’s Deep State opposition outside the territorial USA, Germany does what Hillary Clinton would have done as president.
I have not followed the media in non-German EU countries in their reporting on the Helsinki “summit”. The German media all sound as if their articles were all written by apprentices to the Washington Post or the New York Times. And it is hilarious to see the German foreign ministry “flag”, Heiko Maas (SPD) trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing. (From RT just for documentary purposes): “Germany warns Trump against ‘unilateral deals’ with Russia ahead of talks with Putin” on July 15, “US no longer a fully reliable partner, we must ‘re-adjust’ relationship, says German FM” on July 16; “We can’t afford silence between US & Russia, says German FM after Putin-Trump summit” on July 17.
As per the statement on July 17, the German Establishment may have reached the conclusion that its masters States-side are not going to unseat Trump, so Germany should again take the lead for the EU to at least talk with Russia. The simple fact that the Trump-Putin meeting happened puts the Germans in Zugzwang, which is the flip-side of the coin “Moreover, unlike Russia, Europe can’t wait. By meeting Putin, Trump brought the US out of zugzwang, having handed over to the European Union the right to make this same move, which only worsens its position.” – The first part of the assertion is true, and it is true that Trump has given the EU “the right” to make the same move, but whose “position” is worsened?
All this flattering in the wind – US unreliable, danger ahead, US unilateral deals with Russia, oops, ice broken, if Trump can talk to Putin, we have to talk also — comes from Germany, but it is indicative of Ishchenko’s contention that “If the EU wants to remain in the game, then it must formulate its position and its proposals before Moscow and Washington reach an agreement.” But before the “EU” can formulate a position and come up with proposals, it has to decide whether it wants to follow Germany’s lead because it is Germany that tells the rest of the EU “we are only strong if we are united” so, for example, “we” have to show we are united by extending the anti-Russian sanctions for another year, even though these are actually sanctions to control the EU member countries, and we have to pretend to be sufficiently illiterate so that Angela Merkel can continue to sabotage the Minsk II agreement.
Were *decisions* made and *agreements* concluded in Helsinki? – Yes, of course. We only need to think a bit strategically. We do not know how the decisions and agreements will play out operationally. For example, we do not know how Germany will be circumvented, sidelined with respect to Ukraine. But Putin invited Trump to join him in doing so. “In the aftermath of the NATO summit, Merkel recently began lifting vocabulary straight out of Poroshenko’s script, saying that Trump’s complaint about Europe’s insufficient financial contribution to NATO was not justified because Europe confrontation with Russia is for the sake of US interests.” (I have slightly altered the translation.)
Some might argue that Merkel’s speaking like Poroshenko does not mean that what she says about EU-NATO has anything to do directly with Ukraine, but it does indeed, and in several ways. Firstly, her language shows she is as desperate as Poroshenko, and secondly NATO exists in Merkel’s world, not as a defensive alliance, but to ultimately regime-change Russia herself. The mere fact that Trump met Putin means that Merkel has to plan and scheme for her project to outlast Trump. And that means that “Europe”, or the “EU”, or the Brussels bureaucracy, must remain “united” under the German cudgel.
And, just for one example, that is why everything the German government and its intelligence services knows about “Nowichock” and Salisbury are now officially “state secrets”: what counts is the show of unity, whatever it takes. Now, *that* is a catastrophe for Europe. But the likelihood of success is near to nothing.
Trump made his standpoint clear: Germany bashing. The Boss just gave permission to European countries — including Germany – to break free of their rotten premises. Yes, for the current German Establishment that is a catastrophe because the plan agreed upon with the German Marshall Fund and the Atlantic Council was for Germany to move into the gaps, holes and vacuums left by America’s decline, the “liberal” American Establishment would transfer power to Germany “to take more responsibility in the world.” That was the deal, and the deal is off.
But the deal is off not only because of Trump. The Atlanticist community has been signaling its disappointment in Germany and Merkel, she is losing control, no longer fit to wear the crown of “leader of the free world.” But this disappointment commits the mistake of all personifications, and it should remind us of the plight of Clinton’s fans in the US: even had the plot to shoe her into the presidency panned out, Clinton could not have governed under the present objective conditions, nor could anyone pull off the magical feat the Atlanticist community expected of Merkel.
The big powers – Russia and the US under Trump – have taken over the rudder in Europe, so it is time to recalibrate the European political “GPS”. Trump and Putin have begun to synchronize theirs.
Thanks for the interesting comment from a German perspective.
Germany has an interest in regime change in Moscow? Didn’t know that. Like adding Russia as an economic colony the same way Europe currently is?
My personal opinion is that Trump is influenced by Kissinger.
Kissinger wants friendly relations with Russia to contain China and prevent Chinese hegemony. Basically, the opposite of his 1970’s strategy of friendly relations with China to contain the Soviet Union.
That is why Trump started a trade war with China.
I would also say, that the US deep-state/MIC is so delusional that they’re stuck in a cold war mentality and that’s why they’re so resistant to Trump improving relations with Russia. Finally, I would also say the Helsinki summit wasn’t about the EU at all.
RTP itself now RTP others who presumably do not want that…to be held hostage…
US Draft Law to Sanction Russian Energy Projects Introduced in Senate – Lawmaker
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – A new draft law introduced in the US Senate would impose sanctions on Russian energy projects including Nord Stream 2 in a bid to protect the United States’ allies, Senator Bill Barrasso said in a press release on Wednesday.
“Russian President Vladimir Putin uses Russia’s natural gas to extort and threaten our allies and our partners,” Barrasso said in the release. “The ESCAPE Act will take this geopolitical weapon away from Russia by sanctioning the Nord Stream II gas pipeline and facilitating the export of more American natural gas to our allies.”
The Bigggest Trade deficit of the USA is with CHINA .. not Europe ! …
In fact considering all ” Bilateral ” Transactions including Services and other Financials .. the USA maintains a Surpluss vis a vis Europe .
Europe has maintained a positive Balance of payments as well as Trade Balance vis avis the remainder of the World ..for decades ..with small minor bumps on the road.
Therefore combined Europe has NO external Debt contrary what one should suspect reading the Globalist Piranha Press .
The USA and the UK have only Debt .. unpayable Debt.!
The military Budget of the USA has almost since WW 2 been financed by Europe buying American Bonds covering the US military Expenditure plus approx 25 % .
Denominated in US Dollar , which no-one knows what are worth . if anything !
Europe is combined the biggest Creditor of the USA .
Europe is the only remaining western Region with CAPITAL and BUYING POWER …
In Europe live 800 Million People , an educated and skilled workforce on par with the best the world has to offer. .
The Infrastructure of Europe is second to none ..and way ahead of the abysmal situation in the USA … as well as in Russia.
The Industrial Capacity of Europe is cutting edge and can produce technically anything desired.on short notice .. given priority..including ;Military equipment. But Europe has not prioritized Military Build up !
EUROPE IS THE JEWEL IN THE CROWN ..OF THIS WORLD.
BUT IT ISNT … .
It is characterized by TURMOIL: INDECISIVE LOW QUALITY CORRUPTED LEADERS and BEWILDERED BRAINWASHED POPULATIONS .
This did not occur by accident..! It is a planned development.. which started in earnest with the Collaps of the Sovjet Union.
The Globalist Megalomaniacs realized that the road to their most dreaded scenarium opened up due to the Fall of the Sovjet Union :
A scenario they had fought nail and claw in 2 World Wars ; the peacefull cooperation of Europe, East Europe and Russia .
Should such happen they knew their aspirations of GLOBALISTAN would be nul and void.
They wasted no time.. since that event.
They started an unprecedented UNDERMINING OPERATION against Europe….
Relations with East europe were destroyed by the destruction of Jugoslavia .
The Economy of Europe was strained by the planned SUB PRIME DEFAULT and other targeted Financial Means. .
The Officials of The EU were bought , bribed , intimidated .
Same procedure with European Political Parties and Politicians .. as well as European leading media .. which latter since long time already were owned by them.
The coup de grace was faclitation of a Mass invasion of People from the Middle East and Africa into Europe.
BREXIT is just a confirmation of the planned developments .
The Aim was and is DESTABILISATION…
What one feared to loose ..en block ..had to be split … a strategy .. which has worked quite well .. so far..
AND THERE WE STAND !…
trump is a great disrupter of the status quo,as far as the standing of the so called ‘u.s’ pertains to the geopolitical landscape that is the only given,…so what happens, chaos theory comes in..,”beware your dream come true which ever side you identify with”.
I think the Anglo-Zionists should become the AnZis. It’s close enough, and it’s decent for scrabble.. Anyways, I think Trump backtracks just to the outside world, I think those that he backtracks about are in on it..
“Putin and Trump’s Unagreed Agreement – a Catastrophe for Europe”
Was it? Not according to this European:
‘People voted’: Italian interior minister confronts journalist who called Crimea referendum ‘fake’
“He also praised the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart, Donald Trump in Helsinki, calling it “a very positive sign.” “A rapprochement between the US and Russia is good news for Italy and for Europe.”
” Washington isn’t yet ready to throw Kiev into the political garbage heap, having recognised that in 2014 they mistakenly acquired rotten goods ” .
Washington/Israel still can extract some profit from that stinky ” rotten goods” . Is not poroshenko killing Russian civilians in the East Ukraine ?
“Wonderful hanging-by-your-fingernails-on-the-edge-of-the cliff-5-miles-high analysis. So much better than having the analysis that Mrs President Clinton will love having enemies eviscerated in public.”