“As reports continue to come in about sporadic fighting the Right Sector leader Dmitry Yarosh appeared on Russian television, speaking Russian, and said there should be no ceasefire and that this was a good time to move in and finish off what he called the “separatists”.”
Would this interview have been in Ukraine? Because from memory Yarosh is on the international wanted list…….it also backs up Putin’s point of the right sector being armed etc….
a few insights into the relationship between austria and russia:
i have been living in vienna for a long time, and i know some “insiders” from both major political parties- so i want to take the time and give a summary on the inofficial stance and views of this whole crisis.
as a sidenote, the austrian polulist right, to whom i have no personal contacts, and who is btw. polling strongest atm, is quite openly pro-putin anyway.
austria is in a difficult situation. its media is dominated by us-founded companies. the biggest right wing tabloid, the “kronen zeitung” was funded by CIA money, the major “liberal” publication was founded by regular bilderberg attendant oscar bronner, who lived in the us most of his live. all media is closely linked to german media, and therefor full of embedded journalists from various “trans-atlantic” think tanks. its the same with austrian state-TV. all austrian media is reliant on state funding, and all media is totally in line with us/nato propaganda.
but on the other hand, the political establishment knows very well what is going on, and is absolutely NOT happy about the us-interference in ukraine. they will talk about the rediculous propaganda in private, but its impossible to “come out” against the official narrative because the media would destroy them. i accually think that even the comments sections in austrian online-papers are worked by some us-agencies, because it would only be logical to anticipate that austria could be one of the states that does not fall in line- simply because it would severely harm its interests.
any austrian with a serious education (which many do not have, any more, sadly) knows about the histroy of galicia, the attempts of the austro-hungarian monarchy to craft a catholic and anti-russian province out of fear that it would “defect” to russia. galicia was what made austria the worlds 3rd larges oil-producer around 1900, it was vital to austrian imperial ambitions.
today, austrian companies are invested heavily in both ukraine and russia. there are a lot of russians as well as ukrainians living in austria or coming regularely for holidays. they know that this whole charade is in no way in the interest of austria. its the total opposite. they are furious, they fear to lose billions, and they curse about american hypocracy and accually see this as an attack against austria as well. the most important austian bank, raiffeisen, which also more or less owns the austrian conservative party, would probalby go bankrupt if sanctions with russia escalate. and that would crush the whole austrian economy as well.
austrian social democrats have btw. close links to some interesting figures like the major of moscow and the president of kasachstan. they als still have close ties to (former) state owned companies that will profit from the pipeline.
an unreported fact is that russia will probably increas austrian agricultural imports as well as know how (the agricultural lobby is a major part of the conservative party as well). cooperation on tourism and infrastructure are also on the table, as well as the developement of tourist-resorts.
i really hope that they man up and act in the interest of austria, and not against it at US command. after all, its a formally neutral country.
There is a profound teaching that says, in order to leave the Kingdom of the Victim and take the next step on the road to enlightenment, one must give up Blame, Shame, and Regret. I admire Mr. Putin for not blaming Right Sector, and saying that ALL must respect the ceasefire. This moved the conversation forward. Very hard to do with genocide going on. Most people I know would have gotten stuck in the Blame tar-baby, and the negotiations would have crashed to a halt. This took a lot of balls, and a lot of technique. Props to Mr. Fischer as well, for having the balls to say “we agree to disagree, and here’s why” to Mr. Putin’s face on nationwide TV, and for adding “and we’re still talking”. When we have more real diplomacy and more substantive conversations like this, the world will be a safer place.
In the meantime, apparently NATO has scheduled war-games in Ukraine for this summer, when Congress goes on vacation. The neo-cons should be able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet.
he was also welcomed at the austrian chamber of commerce. in his opening speech, the president of the chamber stated that he has been in this position for so long that he has now the pleasure to welcome him for the third time after 2001 and 2007- putin, in german, replied “diktatur!” (dictatorship!)- the audience (including the austrian president fischer) errupted in laughter.
@A.B. Interesting point about Austria’s stance in regards to the Ukrainian war (US/EU/Russia war). Once again, this highlights the absolute necessity for any independent country to rid itself of any foreign and especially “liberal”, CIA-Zionist media. In fact, no country can consider itself independent until it has a truly independent, local media. The fact that politicians are afraid to speak out and express their true feelings is absolutely outrageous. Everyone knows it and yet nobody is doing anything about it. Few more generations and the whole idea of what it means to be independent would be completely forgotten if people don’t fight for their local media.
and one last update about putins visit to austria:
there was also a meeting with the head of the OSCE (Burkharter, who, btw, became known for breaking the NATOs narrative of captured OSCE-monitors in slaviansk by stating on live tv that they were accually not members of the OSCE), and -interestingly – the foreign minister of Serbia (Dacic) was also present at the meeting.
It is an interesting interview of President Yanukovich about the current situation in Ukraine and his assessment of it. Yanukovich is currently residing in a health spa in Sochi to recover his sanity. He denies looting the country’s treasury.
I wonder when the first billboard in Ukraine goes up with a picture of Yanukovich saying “Miss me yet?”
It seemed to me the dubbed translation in this video missed a lot of what Putin said. The translator wasn’t translating word for word, but seemed to wait a sentence or two and then give a brief summary. Is this true? How accurate was the translation? It bothers me, because Putin seemed rather weak and spoke in platitudes, which is not the way I’ve heard him speak before.
Or maybe this translater was hired by the Western media?
Wow. Terrific thinking and a terrific way of looking at things; my opinion of VVP just went up even more. Thank you for that!
Anonymous 01:42
Yes, I noticed that too — the translator used maybe 1/4 the number of words Putin did, and seemed to miss whole sentences, not just phrases. Given A.B.’s recounting of Putin’s quip — which was truly hysterical, especially given American propaganda — I think we missed probably every good thing he said!
Putin is the only leader in the world who is so sure of himself, has the complete freedom from all restraints of Party and Alliances, and never minces his words.
He seems a straight-shooter. You know where he stands. He stresses dialogue, serious goal-oriented negotiations, and ultimate partnerships and progress in the realm of stable business and growth.
How is that a threat to anyone?
Of course, it breaks the mold. The Hegemon cannot abide truth and some competition or level field participation.
Russia is in good hands.
As for Novorossiya, he stated flatly Russia will protect the people. And he hopes they won’t have to use the military to do it.
And, they don’t have to lay down their arms because they will be burnt alive.
Simple as that, eh? I think he left open a very wide path for Kiev to find a solution. If not, it’s protection, and probably, military (creatively, I think).
Reminds me of when I had to warn some friends not to throw snowballs at my sister. They did it, and I went to their house and kicked their ass in their own living room.
–> to those who think something was lost in the translation into english, i’d suggest them to go to the Kremlins’s site and read it directly from -as the americans say- the horse’s mouth
(actually it seems that the translator summed it up a little bit, though the substantive message is respected)
However, here you have the transcript of Putin’s speech and answers:
Official transcript of Mr. Putin’s press conference is here: http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/22541 Most of his speeches and press conferences are there. You can compare. I’s very useful for those, who have problems with videos and spoken English… ĽuBa
Thank you Anonymous for posting the transcript of Putin’s speech.
I have one challenge for Putin. He said, “Of course, we will always protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine and the part of the Ukrainian population, the Ukrainian people, who feel not just an ethnic but also a cultural connection to Russia, who feel themselves part of the greater Russian community. And in addition to monitoring this carefully, we will also respond accordingly.” My question to Putin is, how is he currently protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, when many are being killed? If this is “protection”, the word has lost its meaning.
To the one who prefers subtitles to dubbing, I absolutely agree.
Dear The Saker,
Thanks “L” as this is an important conference which explains a lot.
In addition VofR had an article on this but there was an addition on the end that was baffling:
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_24/President-Putin-promoting-peace-in-Ukraine-diplomacy-in-Austria-9549/
“As reports continue to come in about sporadic fighting the Right Sector leader Dmitry Yarosh appeared on Russian television, speaking Russian, and said there should be no ceasefire and that this was a good time to move in and finish off what he called the “separatists”.”
Would this interview have been in Ukraine? Because from memory Yarosh is on the international wanted list…….it also backs up Putin’s point of the right sector being armed etc….
Rgds,
Veritas
a few insights into the relationship between austria and russia:
i have been living in vienna for a long time, and i know some “insiders” from both major political parties- so i want to take the time and give a summary on the inofficial stance and views of this whole crisis.
as a sidenote, the austrian polulist right, to whom i have no personal contacts, and who is btw. polling strongest atm, is quite openly pro-putin anyway.
austria is in a difficult situation. its media is dominated by us-founded companies. the biggest right wing tabloid, the “kronen zeitung” was funded by CIA money, the major “liberal” publication was founded by regular bilderberg attendant oscar bronner, who lived in the us most of his live. all media is closely linked to german media, and therefor full of embedded journalists from various “trans-atlantic” think tanks. its the same with austrian state-TV.
all austrian media is reliant on state funding, and all media is totally in line with us/nato propaganda.
but on the other hand, the political establishment knows very well what is going on, and is absolutely NOT happy about the us-interference in ukraine. they will talk about the rediculous propaganda in private, but its impossible to “come out” against the official narrative because the media would destroy them. i accually think that even the comments sections in austrian online-papers are worked by some us-agencies, because it would only be logical to anticipate that austria could be one of the states that does not fall in line- simply because it would severely harm its interests.
any austrian with a serious education (which many do not have, any more, sadly) knows about the histroy of galicia, the attempts of the austro-hungarian monarchy to craft a catholic and anti-russian province out of fear that it would “defect” to russia. galicia was what made austria the worlds 3rd larges oil-producer around 1900, it was vital to austrian imperial ambitions.
today, austrian companies are invested heavily in both ukraine and russia. there are a lot of russians as well as ukrainians living in austria or coming regularely for holidays. they know that this whole charade is in no way in the interest of austria. its the total opposite. they are furious, they fear to lose billions, and they curse about american hypocracy and accually see this as an attack against austria as well. the most important austian bank, raiffeisen, which also more or less owns the austrian conservative party, would probalby go bankrupt if sanctions with russia escalate. and that would crush the whole austrian economy as well.
austrian social democrats have btw. close links to some interesting figures like the major of moscow and the president of kasachstan. they als still have close ties to (former) state owned companies that will profit from the pipeline.
an unreported fact is that russia will probably increas austrian agricultural imports as well as know how (the agricultural lobby is a major part of the conservative party as well). cooperation on tourism and infrastructure are also on the table, as well as the developement of tourist-resorts.
i really hope that they man up and act in the interest of austria, and not against it at US command. after all, its a formally neutral country.
There is a profound teaching that says, in order to leave the Kingdom of the Victim and take the next step on the road to enlightenment, one must give up Blame, Shame, and Regret. I admire Mr. Putin for not blaming Right Sector, and saying that ALL must respect the ceasefire. This moved the conversation forward. Very hard to do with genocide going on. Most people I know would have gotten stuck in the Blame tar-baby, and the negotiations would have crashed to a halt. This took a lot of balls, and a lot of technique. Props to Mr. Fischer as well, for having the balls to say “we agree to disagree, and here’s why” to Mr. Putin’s face on nationwide TV, and for adding “and we’re still talking”. When we have more real diplomacy and more substantive conversations like this, the world will be a safer place.
In the meantime, apparently NATO has scheduled war-games in Ukraine for this summer, when Congress goes on vacation. The neo-cons should be able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet.
one more addition to putins visit to austria:
he was also welcomed at the austrian chamber of commerce. in his opening speech, the president of the chamber stated that he has been in this position for so long that he has now the pleasure to welcome him for the third time after 2001 and 2007- putin, in german, replied “diktatur!” (dictatorship!)- the audience (including the austrian president fischer) errupted in laughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fvjf1vDDXk
@A.B.
Interesting point about Austria’s stance in regards to the Ukrainian war (US/EU/Russia war).
Once again, this highlights the absolute necessity for any independent country to rid itself of any foreign and especially “liberal”, CIA-Zionist media. In fact, no country can consider itself independent until it has a truly independent, local media. The fact that politicians are afraid to speak out and express their true feelings is absolutely outrageous. Everyone knows it and yet nobody is doing anything about it. Few more generations and the whole idea of what it means to be independent would be completely forgotten if people don’t fight for their local media.
and one last update about putins visit to austria:
there was also a meeting with the head of the OSCE (Burkharter, who, btw, became known for breaking the NATOs narrative of captured OSCE-monitors in slaviansk by stating on live tv that they were accually not members of the OSCE), and -interestingly – the foreign minister of Serbia (Dacic) was also present at the meeting.
This seems like the right place to post this link.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/06/23/yanukovich-has-spoken-poroshenko-has-little-time-left/
It is an interesting interview of President Yanukovich about the current situation in Ukraine and his assessment of it. Yanukovich is currently residing in a health spa in Sochi to recover his sanity. He denies looting the country’s treasury.
I wonder when the first billboard in Ukraine goes up with a picture of Yanukovich saying “Miss me yet?”
A question for those of you who speak Russian:
It seemed to me the dubbed translation in this video missed a lot of what Putin said. The translator wasn’t translating word for word, but seemed to wait a sentence or two and then give a brief summary. Is this true? How accurate was the translation? It bothers me, because Putin seemed rather weak and spoke in platitudes, which is not the way I’ve heard him speak before.
Or maybe this translater was hired by the Western media?
Imagine,
Wow. Terrific thinking and a terrific way of looking at things; my opinion of VVP just went up even more. Thank you for that!
Anonymous 01:42
Yes, I noticed that too — the translator used maybe 1/4 the number of words Putin did, and seemed to miss whole sentences, not just phrases. Given A.B.’s recounting of Putin’s quip — which was truly hysterical, especially given American propaganda — I think we missed probably every good thing he said!
Putin is the only leader in the world who is so sure of himself, has the complete freedom from all restraints of Party and Alliances, and never minces his words.
He seems a straight-shooter. You know where he stands. He stresses dialogue, serious goal-oriented negotiations, and ultimate partnerships and progress in the realm of stable business and growth.
How is that a threat to anyone?
Of course, it breaks the mold.
The Hegemon cannot abide truth and some competition or level field participation.
Russia is in good hands.
As for Novorossiya, he stated flatly Russia will protect the people. And he hopes they won’t have to use the military to do it.
And, they don’t have to lay down their arms because they will be burnt alive.
Simple as that, eh? I think he left open a very wide path for Kiev to find a solution. If not, it’s protection, and probably, military (creatively, I think).
Reminds me of when I had to warn some friends not to throw snowballs at my sister. They did it, and I went to their house and kicked their ass in their own living room.
Dear Saker
If we must choose between
dubbed in English and English subtitles
Our choice is
English subtitles.
–> to those who think something was lost in the translation into english, i’d suggest them to go to the Kremlins’s site and read it directly from -as the americans say- the horse’s mouth
(actually it seems that the translator summed it up a little bit, though the substantive message is respected)
However, here you have the transcript of Putin’s speech and answers:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/22541
Regards
.
Official transcript of Mr. Putin’s press conference is here:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/22541
Most of his speeches and press conferences are there. You can compare. I’s very useful for those, who have problems with videos and spoken English…
ĽuBa
Thank you Anonymous for posting the transcript of Putin’s speech.
I have one challenge for Putin. He said, “Of course, we will always protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine and the part of the Ukrainian population, the Ukrainian people, who feel not just an ethnic but also a cultural connection to Russia, who feel themselves part of the greater Russian community. And in addition to monitoring this carefully, we will also respond accordingly.” My question to Putin is, how is he currently protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, when many are being killed? If this is “protection”, the word has lost its meaning.
To the one who prefers subtitles to dubbing, I absolutely agree.