My latest column about Europe has elicited a lot of reactions, more than I expected, and I feel that I have to follow up by answering some of the comments made and by simply sharing with you not so much my thoughts as my feelings about Europe and her plight. Careful here, this will be a angry rant, written with sadness and despair in my heart, and with no regard whatsoever for good manners or political correctness (or spelling and grammar, for that matter)
If you offend easily, stop reading now. Same thing if you expect a carefully written analysis. This will be a *rant*.
You have been warned!
For those who might not already know this, I was born in Switzerland in 1963 and, as most your Swiss people do, I traveled all over Europe for many years. My favorite destinations were mostly in the South: Greece (Athens, Aegina, Aghia Marina), Spain (Gran Canaria, Andalusia, Madrid), Italy (Ansedonia, Rome, Milan, Aosta), France (Creuse, Corrèze, Vercors), but also in the *real* “Central Europe” of Switzerland (Berner Oberland, Graubunden, Val Poschiavo), Germany (Bavaria), Holland (Amsterdam, the Hague) and Belgium (Brugge). I even has some wonderful trips to Ireland (Dublin, Donegall, Connemara) and I loved it all. I loved the languages (I speak Spanish, German, French, Italian), I loved the beautiful diversity of people, the music, the food, the landscapes, the accents and beautiful buildings as witnesses of the past reaching as far as antiquity – all these were joys to my heart and food for my mind. I absolutely LOVE Europe, and not only because by ethnicity I am half-European myself (my father, who did not raise me, is Dutch) but because most of my life was spent there and no matter what Europe will feel like home to me.
[Sidebar: when I say “Europe” I mean Western Europe, the real Europe, the one which was occupied by NATO, not the eastern part, occupied by the WTO (Warsaw Treaty Organization, it was never called a “Pact” – this is US propaganda), which never was really Europe anyway. No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable. And neither are the Balkans for that matter, with the possible exception of Greece. I know, most will disagree and prove me wrong, I don’t care. MY Europe will always be a purely western one, for better or, sometimes, for worse]
But that home was stolen from me.
First, that home was stolen by an EU project which from day one was anti-European. How is the EU anti-European? First and foremost, because it was aimed at unifying a beautifully diverse continent. What does a German and an Italian have in common. Let me tell you: exactly *nothing*. In Switzerland we used to joke that the border with Africa began in Carouge, a southernmost neighborhood of Geneva. If you asked a Swiss German from Zurich, he would say that the border with Africa begin just south of Bern, on the linguistic divide between German and French speaking Swiss. And, please, don’t see that as a sign of anti-Italian or anti-French-speaking Swiss racism – it is not. It was a *joke*, but one which reflected real differences.
There once was a real and viable European (as I said, every time I say “European” I mean “West European”) core: Germany, France, Belgium, Holland and Denmark were fairly close to each other, with France being the odd man out (France is, at the very least, two countries: southern and northern France, glued together by history and language). Switzerland was politically too independent to ever join this “core” as for the UK, it was never European in the least. If anything, the UK was always anti-European and the worst enemy of Europe.
The EU went much further. It added Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal. This was already rather crazy but, I suppose, painfully doable. But then came the deathblow: adding all of the former WTO countries in a suicidal expansion to the East. I don’t feel like discussing what the central and eastern European countries ought to be called, maybe “eastern European” is okay, but they never were in any way part of western Europe. Yes, for political reasons, the Poles, Estonians and Romanians think of themselves as “European”, but just like the Ukies with their ridiculous “Україна – це Європа!” (The Ukraine is Europe) they never were part of real Europe, not the one which used to joke that the European border with Africa beings in Carouge anyway :-)
The second deathblow to Europe came when the capitalists opened the borders of Europe to cheap immigrant labor for the south. Let me tell you, the first wave of immigrants, mostly Italians, Portuguese and Spaniards, could very easily be integrated. I went to school with roughly 50% of the classroom composed of these three groups. Sure, they each had their own identity, language and customs – but they could really be integrated into the larger society. Then came the Yugolsavs and it was much tougher already. All of them – Serbs, Croats, Albanians from Kosovo – had come from Communist Yugoslavia and while they definitely worked very hard, they never really felt at home in their new country of residence, and neither did the locals see them as their own. But then all hell broke lose with the arrival of the “Arabs” from the Maghreb (northern Africa) who were not all, or even really, “Arabs” but nevermind that, and sub-Saharan (Black) Africans. Can you imagine what it feels like to see *real* Africans in larger and larger numbers all over your home town when you used to joke that the border with Africa was Carouge (I repeat that example because I consider it very telling)? It felt like a plague, even if nobody was willing to admit it.
Now let me immediately get one canard out of the way. The issue of Islam.
I submit that none of the Magbrebians or Africans could be really integrated into a profoundly West European society. But, and this is crucial, the Muslims, and here I mean the really religious and pious Muslims, were always respectful of the law and excellent neighbors. I know what I am talking about as I lived right next door to a big mosque myself, for decades, and that I know for a fact that mosque-attending Muslims are extremely courteous (more so than the locals, in fact) and that they are very careful about showing a refined, educated and proper image of Islam in front of non-Muslims. The real plague were the 2nd generation kids who were neither Europeans nor Muslims. Now those, especially the Algerians, accounted for the vast majority of crime and they were truly a horror to put up with: arrogant, loud, uneducated and very aggressive. These Maghrebians typically would mix with 2nd generation Black Africans and form the core of almost all the gangs of criminal thugs roaming around. And none of them, zero, were Muslims in any sense of the word, not religious not cultural. Again, I speak of long and personal experience, so please don’t come tell me that I don’t know Europe or Islam, because I do, very well in fact.
[Sidebar: I cannot speak of Turks/Kurds in Germany simply because I have not spend enough time in these circles and I am not qualified to have an opinion about them]
So my Europe was stolen from me not once, but twice and while I weep over the Europe of my youth, I absolutely loathe the Europe of the European Union. Every time I see Hollande, Stoltenberg or Tusk, my stomach turns and I feel like cursing. They make me absolutely sick. I hate the Europe of Charlie Hebdo, of BHL, of Harlem Desir, the Europe of Conchita Wurst or of Dalia Grybauskaitė (there goes a typical European name, right?).
London now looks like Karachi, Paris like Ouagadougou, Rome like Târgu-Mures. This is absolutely disgusting, revolting and suicidal. To say so has absolutely nothing to do with racism and only a person totally devoid from any real cultural roots can misinterpret the horror of those who see their cities and cultural roots being smashed by waves of non-integratable immigrants as a form of racism. You don’t believe me?
Let me tell you this: in France there are a lot of Maghrebians who are now horrified to see their (usually poor) neighborhood being literally run over by Romanian Gypsies while in Switzerland you have more or less integrated ex-Yugoslavs who now watch in horror as their putatively “fellow” ex-Yugoslavs run the cocaine business. How many Swiss citizens do you think you would fine in a Swiss jail? Nobody knows, but my guess is less than 15%.
The worst part of it all is that both the Right and the Left are equally responsible for this state of affairs.
Originally, the main impulse to bring immigrants to Europe came from the Right, from the organized corporate managers who wanted cheap labor at any cost. As always, if you look deeper, the force behind the corporations were the banks. It is of no coincidence that in France is all began with Georges Pompidou who, before being President, was a General Manager at N. M. Rothschild & Sons Bank. Pompidou, who came to power following the CIA’s “color revolution” known as “Mai 68” succeeded a real French patriot, General de Gaulle, who had attempted to de-couple France from her AngloZionst masters and who was subsequently overthrown in a bizarre revolution which already saw Trotskists and CIA agents working hand in hand to achieve regime change in France.
All the French Right cared for was profit, profit and profit. The French workers were superbly unionized, they have achieved remarkable social and labor rights and the French capitalists simply could not turn them into the kind of right-less workforce they needed, so the imported them from abroad.
As for the Left, it saw in this influx of immigrants a fantastic political opportunity to achieve the kind of societal change it always wants to achieve: a wholesale destruction of any form of tradition, national identity and religion.
The French Zionists, in particular, saw a fantastic opportunity to weaken the French national identity by branding it as by definition racist. This is how they did it.
President François Mitterrand wanted to split the French Right in order to win the elections, so he personally ordered the main French TV channel to make a long interview with the leader of the National Front, Jean-Marie Le Pen. This interview is what really put the National Front in the spotlight and the tactic worked. The French Right was split and it still is, by the way. The the French Socialists joined forces with the Israel Lobby and created a movement called “Touche pas à mon pote” (don’t touch my pal) headed by a guy called Harlem Desir (I kid you not!). Their mission? To fight the alleged racism of the French people. Sounds familiar? Create a problem and then ‘solve it’ (“Zionism 101”). This operation worked superbly and made any discussion of immigration tantamount to racism.
Now that the EU has replaced Europe, the Right and the Left have logically fused into what I call the “Extreme Center” – the same globalist model with, on one hand, wants to eliminate all the borders while, on the other, dismantling all social regulations protecting the working class from exploitation by the Capitalists.
Sorry for this long excursion in the past, but I want you to understand why I am always so angry when I write about today’s “Europe”: I am angry because I remember “yesterday’s Europe” very well, because I saw it killed step by step before my eyes, because I personally lived through every stage of this slow murder and because I absolutely loathe the pseudo-Europe which the Zionists are building on the aches of the old Europe.
A few more comments:
Gladio: yes, I know about Gladio, I remember the bombing in Bologna and the kidnapping of Aldo Moro. Could the latest bombings be a Gladio v2? Yes, absolutely, but this in no way impinges in the fundamental thesis that uncontrolled emigration is a moral threat to Europe and an ideal vector for the penetration by terrorists. Just remember that Daesh is CIA-controlled anyway, and that whether the handlers are in Raqqa or Brussels makes no difference. The Takfiris have always been the CIA’s footsoliders.
The US role: huge. The EU is essentially a US project via the Bilderbergers and the Zionist lobby in Europe. The EU today is run by a comprador elite which is totally subservient to AngloZionist interests. What real Europeans wanted was the “Europe des patries” (the Europe of fatherlands) which de Gaulle advocated. We all know what happened to de Gaulle for daring to oppose the AngloZionists Empire.
Russia: this is interesting. I see no Schadenfreude amongst Russians, none at all. First, most Russians simply like Europe, especially southern Europe with which we feel a much stronger connection. But we also admire the northern Europeans for their undeniable achievements. Furthermore, Russians know, through their own bitter past, that good people can live under a disgusting regime. This is also why Russians don’t usually blame regular US Americans for the policies of the ruling 1%. But what bothers Russians the most is the abject servility of most Europeans in front of an abject regime. The great Russian philosopher Ivan Solonevich used to write that “the Germans are not better organized, they are easier to organize”. What he meant by that is the be it under the Nazis or under the US occupation, the Germans would be exceptionally obedient and willing to be ordered around. In contrast, the Russian people are far more freedom loving and even anarchistic and they always rebel against any authority they don’t respect.
[Sidebar: dubious about this? Consider this: the Germans actually elected Hitler and then obeyed him up until his death. In comparison, the Soviet regime came to power in 1917 but only achieved stability in 1946(!) after a huge civil war, many insurrections, bloody repressions, bloody purges and a terrible war which saw, for the first time in Russian history, millions of Russians switch sides. Even after 1946 – the year of the last big wave of repressions – the Soviets still feared their own population up to 1991, and for good reason, would I add].
I personally expect that the first explosion against the EU will come from France, a country which, like Russia, has a deep, almost visceral, attachment to freedom and which will, I am certain, eventually blow up. When that happens, it will be violent and bloody (alas, another French – and Russian – tradition). I think that the AngloZionists will go to unimaginable levels of depravity and dishonesty to prevent it, but my money stays on France as the first country in the EU to rise up against the Empire. Why? Because the other candidates, Greece, Spain or Italy, will always “look over the shoulders” whereas the French will simply explode in rage with no regard to the consequences (in that the French are much more like the Russians). Plus the French will always hate the Anglos anyway.
Islam: Fact 1: Muslims are here to stay. You can hate it or love it, but that is a fact. Fact 2: Islam, real Islam as opposed to Wahabi Islam, is categorically opposed to AngloZionism. I think that Islam will be one of the forces which will eventually help to “clean house” in Europe. Wahhabism on the other hand, will have to be completely and totally eliminated from Europe. This is a mortal threat to all of civilized mankind, a threat which cannot be negotiated with and which must be totally eliminated.
The Ottomans: Call me crazy, but I am coming the conclusion that Turkey, at least in its present form, is inherently a dangerous and non-reformable entity which must be beat back to a size and quality commensurate with the notion of “normal country”. Just look at the past couple of decades. The Turks were involved in: Cyprus, Kurdistan, Chechnia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Crimea, Lebanon and Syria! How is that for a terrorism-support scorecard? Does anybody remember that Turkey does still occupy half of Cyprus and that the Turkish military has been bombing and attacking Kurds in Syria and Iraq for decades already. Clearly, the “imperial virus” has not been eradicated in this ex-Empire and this rot must be eliminated until Turkey finally becomes what all other former empires have become: a normal country, like Greece or Holland. By the way, the only thing which currently keeps Turkey together and gives it a kind of immunity is, of course, the protection of the United States, NATO aka the AngloZionist Empire. Get rid of one, and the other will soon follow.
The *real* Left: there used to be a real Left in Europe. And, unlike the modern ‘caviar-Left’ it was really patriotic. The French Communist Party leader Georges Marchais saw through the Capitalists plan to import masses of immigrants and he denounced that as a conspiracy against both the local French and the immigrants. Some of his speeches sound very similar to what Jean-Marie Le Pen has repeated for decades. The real left has now been completely eliminated from Europe or, if it exists somewhere, it is too small to make a difference.
The *real* Right: The National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen used to be the real deal, even if it was carefully manipulated by the French Socialists. But ever since his daughter Marine came to power, the National Front has been totally coopted by the Zionists and from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists. There is a real Right left in France, mostly around Traditionalist “Catholic” (Latin) circles but, just as with the real Left, it is too small to really make a difference.
Sorry for this long rant. My heart hurts over this topic and it is painful for me to write about. Please don’t come and pester me about spelling or grammar or other inexactitudes. I wrote this in one shot, off the cuff, and at the kind of warp-speed typing I do when I am emotional about something (heck, I won’t even bother re-reading it or check for typos). Though I will post this under the “analysis” section, I do that only because this is a follow-up to my analysis yesterday. But, as you can tell, an analysis this is not – this is just a frustrated and angry rant about what has been done to the place were I was born and which I still love.
To end on something personal and beautiful, I leave you with this GoogleEarth photo of the place in Greece where, as a kid, I learned how to free-dive (decades before the movie “The Big Blue” made freediving a trendy sport): the rocks near the village of Αγία Μαρίνα (Saint Marina), on the island of Aegina. I visited this place at the age of 12 for the first time and this is also were I spent my honeymoon, almost 23 years ago. This is also one of the places I call ‘home’.
Saker – Right on on all points. I have been reading War and Peace (1869). In it, rather incredibly, Tolstoi speaks a lot about Russia and Europe. He explains the patriotism and importance of religion to Russians. The split between the European (French) influences on Russia, and how those came into play with the French invasion – how Napolean couldn’t understand why Europe (France) could not negotiate a peace with Russia. Also, he says that “Russia must/will save Europe” – rough paraphrase -. It will happen, as it happened in WWII. Bless you, Saker
— from Hawaii.
Tolstoy also mentioned a few times about the masons inside Rusdian establishment who must have been traitors to rusdia and acted as English agents to divert napolean energy to Russia rather than on invasion of England which would have saved the workd of future depradations.
Pretty much the same in America. I’ve lived all over the U.S. I actually lived in Ferguson MO back in the 80s. And I’m white btw. Cheap labor is the same as slash and burn farming.
Now we know how the Palestinians felt when the Europeans “immigrated” there.
No Europeans immigrated there.
Millions of the Europeans immigrated to Palestine, as a matter of fact
She mistakenly doesn’t consider European Jews as “Europeans”. Regardless of the fact that many (maybe most) were descendants of ethnic European converts to Judaism over the centuries.
And, ironically, all those European Jews moved to Israel at the very moment when persecution in Europe stopped.
Yes,they were not needed any more.Job was done.lol
Soon, they will be leaving US and mass migrating to “Back to USSR” Russia.
What is unfortunate is that all religions and political parties are or have been infiltrated by them and than subverted for their gain and profit.All people have a price unfortunately.
There is over 150 comments to this article and they all sound like fan mail.To do otherwise would be classed as anti Semitic no matter how true it might be.
For the WWII it was west that financed Hitler.Who was west? Today it is west that is militarising EU once again.
The only question that needs to be answered is wether Russia is a conscious participant or a victim.What is the end game?
I was born in Jugoslavija,I grew up there till age 16.Came to Canada and can tell you not only was I not accepted by Canadians (English speaking) but I did not accept them.After finishing school and starting work and speaking better English,also seeing more immigrants acceptance was becoming better on both sides.
Today I too am shocked by the influx of different coloured races and keep asking my self where are the Christians.White Christians.When I came to Canada there was a criteria for imigration,close relatives or a trade.What is it today.I watch all these Arabs,Africans and Eastern Europeans running Canada over.Eastern Europeans still mostly have to meet that old criteria even though I know a lot of former Jugoslavijans getting same free ride as Arabs and Africans.What I mean by that is that a family of four,father mother and two kids get welfare (up to $2800 a month) for free.
My mother worked for 25 years and her pension is not even half of that.So take a guess how I feel about today’s imigration.All this is by design.One only needs to read “Protocls” to see it all unfolding in front of their eyes,but they will tell you not to believe your eyes.
Sorry about my not so little rant but had to get some off my chest.There is a lot more.
As for you Saker,what segment of society got to vacation in places like that in 60’s and 70’s.
Have you ever thought of this. The worst plot of the the “Elders” was CHRISTIANITY! Who started it? Mythical Jesus, a “Jew” or maybe real, historical Saul / Paul, also a “Jew”? The Roman Catholic Church and the Kings of Europe forced Europeans to convert or die. With Christianity Europe lost a lot if not most of their Pagan cultural identity. And this was not a “primitive” culture. Greek Hellenism was highly sophisticated, much more than the tribal religion of Pharisiesm which turned into Rabiism and now is Judaism. Of course, cultures are flexible and change and adapt all the time. But that loss of pagan culture is probably what turned Germanic warriors into obedient sheeple. In fact, that is what Christianity wants, sheeple!. Read Romans 16 on how good Christians should obey their rulers. What more can a class of “noble” exploiters want? The church keep the sheeple obedient so that they are easier to exploit.
This is precisely the way Rabbinical Judaism operates. It is a system devised to control and oppress the “Jewish masses” first of all and then, in collobaration with the oligarchs of other nationalities, to exploit the masses of the world. In Israel Shahak’s book “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years”, published in 1994, this is described in detail. See http://www.abbc.net/historia/shahak/english.htm for online copy.
My view is that it is a problem of Monotheism. Because the priests class of monotheism postulates only One GOD, from that follows only One TRUTH and One Priest class who dispenses the “Truth” and controls whoever is stupid enough to do so. Under polytheism at least their are different gods with different truths and different priests that compete with each other. Therefore monotheism suits the ruling class as it is easier to control the masses. So out of Roman Imperialism and Hebrew Monotheism a grand strategy for control and opression of the masses was born which continue to this day. Of course, Islam, is the same story which was used for the Arabs and whoever they conquered. And Marxism and its babies as well as current Scientism is just variants of the same theme.
The quote below is from Shahak’s book…
“The position of the Jews is particularly favorable under strong regimes which have retained a feudal character, and in which national consciousness, even at a rudimentary level, has not yet begun to develop. It is even more favorable in countries such as pre-1795 Poland or in the Iberian kingdoms before the latter half of the 15th century, where the formation of a nationally based powerful feudal monarchy was temporarily or permanently arrested. In fact, classical Judaism flourishes best under strong regimes which are dissociated from most classes in society, and in such regimes the Jews fulfill one of the functions of a middle class – but in a permanently dependent form. For this reason they are opposed not only by the peasantry (whose opposition is then unimportant, except for the occasional and rare popular revolt) but more importantly by the non-Jewish middle class (which was on the rise in Europe), and by the plebeian part of the clergy; and they are protected by the upper clergy and the nobility. But in those countries where, feudal anarchy having been curbed, the nobility enters into partnership with the king (and with at least part of the bourgeoisie) to rule the state, which assumes a national or protonational form, the position of the Jews deteriorates.”
You misunderstood Uncle Bob.
She infers subtly by saying:”No Europeans immigrated there”,that the Jews are “native” to Palestine,
when in fact they are not. Most Israeli Jews are not native to that land, of course.
Liz talks like a Zionist Jew……beware!
Carmel by the Sea
What about the Ashkenazi Jews?
Ok Khazars then.
Absolutely! I’m not into schadenfreude. But I can’t help feeling that Europe’s current predicament is a little itty bit of justice and not only that, it is richly deserved! All of Europe’s crying and, frankly, bitching over the refugee/immigrant invasion is just another version of Je suis charlie. I don’t see how they can expect the rest of the world to feel any sympathy for them. I certainly don’t. They richly deserve the “plague” of immigrants and refugees.
But its not actually a plague. Its the revenge of the oppressed upon the oppressor. If you ruin other people’s countries, on your own terms, they have the right to live in your’s: On their own terms.
Everything that Europeans are complaining about, that they say immigrants are doing to the culture, politics, crime, economy etc Europe has done to those immigrant’s countries a thousand times over. They should man up, suck it up and learn how the 90% live.
As an African I know just how much of a plague Europeans have been upon Africa. Its culture, economy, society, territory. Everything. There is absolutely no prospect that the immigrant invasion of Europe will have even 1/1000th of 1% of the destructive impact on Europe, that the European invasion of Africa has had, and continues to have on Africa.
So while I do understand the European angst, handwringing and gnashing of teeth. They get no sympathy from me.
Well said Brother Ngoyo. What Malcolm X said about President Kennedy can be paraphrased about Europe in that Europe “never foresaw that the chickens would come home to roost so soon…Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they always made me glad.”
Europe has spread its hatred throughout the world, destroying societies, communities and families so much so that Africans and Indigenous Americans have yet to recover. Is it no surprise that the dysfunction that Europe has exported, is re-imported to its shores?
Oh, If only Malcolm was around! Feeling sympathy for Europe is like a man who hasn’t eaten for a week feeling sympathy for some rich guy because his dinner steak was not made exactly to his liking.
Friend, you are deceived. The enemy was never the common man from any country. The enemy has always been the oligarchy. The strategy of the oligarchy is always to get the poor blacks fighting the poor whites while they maintain control and make out like bandits.
Don’t you get it. You are not being oppressed you are being manipulated. What we all have in common in this world is that the powerful seek to set us against each other. As long as they get away with this we will never enjoy freedom or prosperity.
They set us against each other by manipulating our emotions. To see through the manipulation you have to discard your emotional response and look at the facts, and only the facts.
The way propaganda works is to appeal to our emotions while obscuring the facts. It is extremely effective.
Unfortunately, it was the common man that manned the slave ships, who were bulk of the “royal” armies that marched on Africa, Asia and the Western Hemisphere and were the majority of the overseers on the plantations (read Thomas Thistlewood’s diary ). It was the common man that drove African Americans out of the populist movement (which would stopped the reign of terror of central banks) and the trade union movement.
If Europeans were truly interested in stopping the “scourge” of non-European refugees, they would directly confront those institutions and mechanisms which make their homelands unlivable such as NATO, the Bretton Woods Institutions (IMF, etc.), the CFA franc (where “Francophone” African countries must deposit 65% of their external reserves in the French Central Bank). This would be more effective than charitable feel good trips to the so-called “developing world” to donate food, clothing etc. which further exacerbates the inferiority complex of those lands’ inhabitants.
Kwame Piankhi wrote :
“If Europeans were truly interested in stopping the “scourge” of non-European refugees, they would directly confront those institutions and mechanisms which make their homelands unlivable such as NATO, the Bretton Woods Institutions (IMF, etc.), the CFA franc (where “Francophone” African countries must deposit 65% of their external reserves in the French Central Bank). This would be more effective than charitable feel good trips to the so-called “developing world” to donate food, clothing etc. which further exacerbates the inferiority complex of those lands’ inhabitants”.
No they wouldn’t, because they also benefit from those self same institutions and mechanisms and when it comes to the bottom line none would be prepared to give up their comfortable lives and creature comforts which comes directly at the expense of others.
But times are changing. Those same institutions and mechanisms, at ever increasing pace especially since the 2008 credit crunch, are now beginning to turn on their own. So called “Austerity” measures, long used to eviscerate the “third” world, are now being implemented against their own citizens starting with the poorer southern European states but by no means ending there. More and more social services are being cut while taxes go up (but not for the rich). The oh so cherished “freedoms” of Europeans are being eroded and taken away one by one all under the pretext of “fighting terrorism”. Soon the peoples of Europe would know too the social and economic devastation that numerous African and Latin American and other nations have long experienced through the policies of the west.
Crony capitalism as practised by western “elites” is a ravenous beast, and when it runs out of victims to devour abroad it will turn its attentions homewards which is happening now.
After getting about half way through the comments and all the side tracks, I come back to this comment as being the most relevant to moving forward. A small group of humans, (I presume), using a economic system based on odious debt are now the problem. More on this at http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/25/odious-debt-and-what-to-do-about-it/
Saker, thank you for writing from the heart on this one. History makes more sense when told with passion.
Secret Agent. Yes. You see it very clearly. Here is a link to a Senate report that discloses how the oligarchs that the Senate calls “The Billionaires Club” has created and supports the global warming hoax. The purpose is to gain control of global energy and therefore development. They tried to gain a monopoly over it thru war & looting. Now they are going to succeed thru a treaty to be signed next month. And all those emotional people who believed the hoax instead of examining it rationally– they will WELCOME this enormous step in consolidation of the global oligarchy. The treaty will progressively deliver the environment and us with it into the hand of the oligarchs. And it was all a giant PR campaign.
As per Saker’s definition of Europe, please limit your hate to Western Europe only. And keep in mind that Saker was born and raised in a country who kept the bank accounts of the worse criminals and dictators of this world (and also made and makes profits from it). And that same country is almost for sure the headquarter of the Zionist money scam swindlers. But now, the Saker revealed his hypocrisy or complete idiocy by despising Eastern Europe (who was plundered at least 50 years by his dear Russians). This blog is becoming a joke. I can sense a typical Russian arrogance in trying to be more European than their mongoloid inbreeding allows. They want to go skiing in the Alps and tanning on the French Riviera. But they also want to be the only ones going there, no others from Eastern Europe allowed !!!! If possible, let’s make Eastern Europe a sweatshop working district, where rich Germans and Russian oligarchs can go and piss on whomever head they want. That is the hidden dream of the Saker, after all. Hopefully, V. Putin doesn’t have the same arrogant and extremist thinking !
the Saker revealed his hypocrisy or complete idiocy by despising Eastern Europe
What a stupid statement. No, I don’t consider eastern Europe as European at all. Likewise I don’t consider Russia as part of Eastern Europe. Neither is Argentina or Thailand. Does that mean that I despise Russia, Argentina or Thailand?!
Boy, I am so tired of imbeciles who can’t read…..
“I don’t consider eastern Europe as European at all”
An elementary example of a contradiction in terms.
“I don’t consider Russia as part of Eastern Europe”
European continent extends to Ural mountains. Beyond Urals it is Asia. Thus, Russia is part (Eastern) European, part Asian.
“I am so tired of imbeciles who can’t read…..”
The same here.
There is no European continent. it is merely an asian subcontinent like India.
Europe is a continent.
Europe is also a culture.
You are an idiot.
Europe in your definition is definitely not a continent.
Europe has diverse cultures.
I am shocked by the last line.
He of course was talking of “culture” not geography.
You get my vote on all points, Saker. The imbecile misses all your points.
‘…unimaginable levels of depravity and dishonesty…’
tracing back to the Swiss womb of (post)modern vice: Reformation’s T.U.L.I.P. AngloZionism, a monstrous crossbreed of Calvin’s ‘elected’ and Voltaire’s ‘enlightened’, snaked from there.
Judge Judy would say that there is a lot of baloney in this article… It is pity of you Saker, as you performed quite well in the interview you posted…
Excellent article, and yes you clearly stated the fact that you do not consider “Eastern and Southern” Europeans as part of Europe and you explained why.
You are so correct.
One comment though: Western Europe has been subdued for centuries. French people particularly the ones from the south are the way you described.
I will answer the commenters from Africa, the common folk had to eat, hence grubbed any job available, and those were in the colonies.
Perhaps you did not read the post or the replies. I don’t see any hate in my reply. So cut that out. Neither did the Saker “despise” Eastern Europe. He made clear that he does not consider eastern euros to be europeans and he has in the past said he does not consider Russians to be Europeans. Anyway thats his opinion. I believe they are all Europeans and consider them as such. Along with the European diaspora in Asia and the Americas.
Your reply definitely has no hate. But as they say, the truth hurts. One thing I would like to point out though is that we need to remember that Europeans are not inherently evil. When one looks at the history with both eyes open one can see that what has happened is that, now listen carefully, the evil people of this world have infiltrated the ranks of the white man. Through their deception and facade they put this idea of manifest destiny in the white mans head and have used them for their own ends. What we see now with what is happening in Europe is that these evil people are getting ready to dump the white man down with everyone else since there is no more use for them. The town has been liberated, the throne is empty and waiting for its masters arrival, their plans are moving forward but they have their plans and God has his and God willing we will be victorious.
I do agree with everything you say. No people is inherently evil and all peoples have engaged in wars and repressions to some degree. But what Europe did is unique. No other major society in the world has exhibited such extreme desire to conquer, subjugate and enslave others, as Europe. Why? I don’t know. My guess is that for various reasons a particular society/culture may develop into a predator society that preys on other societies. I can find no other way to explain why, for instance, Australia was subjugated and stolen by Europeans, rather than Chinese, Malaysians, Indonasians, Japanese, Indians etc. All of whom are much closer to it.
Its not that hard to understand really. If you look at Europe its a very small place actually, not a lot of land mass and its far up north so you cant do large scale agriculture to feed a large population. It has very little natural resources of its own and if it was to rely solely on itself it would be a 3rd world backwater. So in order to have its current standard of living it pretty much has to exploit other countries. As to the extreme nature of this exploitation? You can say that the discovery of the Americas with its primitive peoples living on resource rich land fed the strong “thirst” they had to bring themselves up to where they are now. Australia was the same, a primitive peoples living on land that had yet to have its natural resources exploited. Other parts of the world like the middle east and china couldn’t be handled the same since they weren’t primitive peoples and for actually most of known history were much more advanced and progressive then Europe up till arguably the 1700’s. Genghis Khans armies didn’t mess with Europe so much because at that time Europe was a very poor and underdeveloped place, when they did push into Europe they didn’t bother to push far and they didn’t even bother to hold onto the territory they conquered because if they did they would have to spend money to develop the land so they instead decided to go after the rich Chinese and Muslim lands. What happened in America, Africa, and Australia at the hands of these northern barbarians wasn’t just genocide but a real holocaust that makes the Jewish genocide of ww2 look like child’s play.
I’m sure all that played into it. But it seems to me there was more. As you point out other people, like the Mongols, got so far and stopped. Not the Europeans. The Arabs took Southern Spain and stopped. The Europeans took all of Africa, India, the Americas, most of Asia etc etc.
It has to do with the times and ability to do it. The first “World Empire” was the Persians. The Persian rulers wanted the entire World (their notion of what was the World) but they failed. Not from lack of desire. But lack of ability in that day and age. The Greeks emulated them. But also failed for the same reason. The Romans came a bit closer. But the same reasons stopped them. The Arabs attempted the same,but failed also. They didn’t as you wrote elsewhere “decide to stop”. The battles stopped them. The Mongols wanted the same World Empire. They came close. But several battles in Europe,and the Middle East (coupled with internal fights) stopped their advances. The Ottomans wanted to conquer Europe. And stable their horses in St Peter’s as they proclaimed.But they were defeated in battle before they got that far.History is full of attempts to “rule the World”. Some European,some non-European. Its not “a European idea”,it was an idea of powerful states World wide. The European success in the 16th,17th,18th,19th,20th,and so far in the 21st Century.Is because the technology of those times (and our time) has given them the ability that the other ages didn’t give those conquerors. Its not true history to lay all the curse on Europeans. They were just the most successful. And had those other non-European Empires had the same technology in their age they would be the ones we attack today as “colonizers”.
What you say regarding the Arabs wanting the whole world is simply untrue. They did not nor did they ever attempt to conquer the whole world. They continued long intercourse with many peoples whom they could have conquerd but never made any attempt to do so. Same with the Persians. The Greeks and Romans on the other hand stopped from exhaustion and inability to go further. Recheck your history.
The notion of a “world empire” is something the Europeans have come up with based on their own actions and desires which they then project onto others.
Ngoyo, I wholeheartedly support you primary point about European chickens coming home to roost, karma is a bitch. But Uncle Bob1 is right, Empire is not a European invention, far from it. We learnt it from the East, from the River Civilisations, and their centalised societies ruled by god-kings. Our culture has always been de-centralised (lacking a major river valley), prone to internal conflict and competition; even the mighty Romans could not unite us. The impulse to dominate is NOT European, but human. There is no way you can say Islam was not (and is not in Wahabbi form) imperial; Southern Spain, Western China, North Africa and the Balkans have NOTHING to do with Arabia. Islam, like Christianity, is an evangelistic and proselytising religion, many early converts where at the point of a sword. Muslims believe the whole world will be Ummah, and that everybody is Muslim (they just don’t know it yet). So you are right to spill your bile at European imperial history, but don’t think for a second that any of the other civilisations would do or be any better. Absolute power corrupts absolutely; Power is always the problem.
I agree with Ngoyo. The concepts of ‘World Empire’, World Order’, save the World, save the human race, save the planet are all predominantly Anglo-zionist in origin. Persians were not the first Empire. There were Egyptians and Pharaohs before them as were Mesopotamians.
Yes, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Ottomans conquered lands but they did not exterminate the local races and populations to extinction. That credit only goes to the Europeans. We talk about extinct species’ of the wildlife. How about the vast array of American Indian tribes who were the original inhabitants of US? Arabs lived with Berbers in North Africa and with local Christians and Jews in Spain in such a harmony that the period was called La Convivencia. Contrast it with the Spanish Inquisition that followed.
I also agree that no race is inherently evil but I am unable to comprehend the behaviour of the Western Europeans. Surely, the Christianity as a religion didn’t sanction it? Its a really important question and I hope some of the wise men here could help shed some light on it.
The Bible describes 6 genocides, committed by the Jews.
The Bantu peoples basically genocided tons of other sub-saharan Africans, starting 5000 years ago, in the Bantu expansion.
SE Asia used to be melanesian-like before the E.Asian peoples came in and wiped them out.
Native Americans do still live on. They were not mostly murdered, only about 30,000 died in wars in the Continental USA. In Latin America, there are tons of them, and their mixed descendants, left. Population was shrunk from other things, ostensibly disease.
A better word would be “ethnic cleansing.”
@Ngoyo “What you say regarding the Arabs wanting the whole world is simply untrue.”
Then it is you who needs to study history a bit more: After having conquered all of the Iberian peninsula the arabs were on their way up north well into France and were not at all planning to stop advancing. They finally got stopped halfway between the French towns of Tours and Pottiers.
Ngoyo I agree with you.
It is a simple fact.
I hope you all see you are becoming guilty of the same racism you rightly place at the feet of European civilisation. The archaeological record is drowned with examples of one human tribe migrating into a region and wiping out the previous; both within our species and within our genus. Genocide is what humans do, in all its forms; slaughter, breeding out and cultural replacement. The Japanese destroyed the dark-skin natives of Nippon, the Han Chinese pushed out the other races in the Middle Kingdom; this is how we do it.
What you all need to be aware of is you are judging European civilisation with modern (ironically) European values. The Sioux Indians in America were very aggressive territorially and carved out a large area of control. They didn’t cry when the Europeans beat them, they understood the game as they lived by the same values. If Israel had been carved out 500 years ago, it would not be the abomination it is, but an accepted member of the Family of Nations because 500 years ago territorial conquest was morally accepted. Same goes for the shameful rape of the Americas, it was not immoral when it was done. As we can see by the disgusting actions of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel in the ME, not all civilisations share our respect for international law and human rights. We judge Europe so harshly because of they didn’t live up to their own values, and if you want to see a world without European values, look at Syria. Rather than attacking Europe for being fallible and human (power corrupts), recognise that the will to dominate is Human and we are all in danger of succumbing to it (even Frodo succumbed in the end) All we can do is learn the lessons of History and try and build a better world based on law and justice. Blaming Europe for Humanity’s failings only means it will happen again.
Ethics correlated with Nature harmony. This will save the Human kind from the big natural disaster that it’s coming faster and faster!!!
regards from Portugal
What culture do you mean?
As for more to my previous comment I totally agree with you.If they want to stop this refugee problem all they got to do is stop bombing all those countries.Midlle east could be the richest and most prosperous place on earth if it wasn’t for the west.Sams as for the richest country on the planet,Brazil.Look what is happening over there.All by design.
Time for “Tabula Rasa”.
I am from the corner of Europe (Scandinavia) which don’t have the same dark history with Africa that France, GB, Belgium and so on have had. And I feel sorry for all the crimes my fellow europeans have done untill present day. The war in Libya is the latest big crime and I hope that justice some day will brought up on political leaders like Sarcozy, Clinton, Obama, Cameron, Bildt and so on. Those bastards shoud be on trial in Haag for the crimes they have done.
Shadenfreude is a German word for ‘taking pleasure in someone else’s pain”. Its not necessarily a good thing to learn, but you’ll find whiteness culture steeped in it, especially against one another, against other white people.
It seems to be a prime motivator for may Westerners; to be identified and rewarded socially and materially as one of the victimizer class. Its also absolute; fair-minded whites are the first to get squeezed out by other whites as suckers every bit as fair game as any brown person, then at risk of double-hit trying to be fair, thinking all browns are victims rather likewise harbouring people who can be just as dangerous as any agent of whiteness, lacking only the skiniform. Then, sometimes triple hit again, because whiteness is a cultural mal-attitude colouring one’s sense if what really is fair.
There are white people who like many other people, will not wear the ‘ring of Sauron’, and be the West’s bullies, slavers and overseers in exchange for a cut of the blood money. They also inform themselves to be nobody’s fool and useful idiot. Its especially those that Anglo-Zionism targets for use either as the face of psychopathic culture or sacrifices to it.
The passing of Enlightenment European culture is something to mourn. A lot of good people died to make it possible for some to have the economic security to see beyond raw survival. While the greater part farce, especially to those on the reciving end of Western caprice, its also the last place where a high-level culture of immunity against the imperial virus thrives, acting for good with effect out of proportion to its numbers in the population.
When it is gone, and replaced by antisocials (whatever their racial, religious or creed of origin and motivation) then the culture of genuine compassion and fair-mindedness will lose a significant base Africa and especially Eurasia may not be able to replace, for all that they will certainly feel the consequences of a crueler world where worse is fashionable not unlike how Hollywood can’t get enough of ‘darker’ and ‘darkness’ themed movies.
The US neocons and their lackeys in the EU have indeed brought this problem on the backs of the Europeans through their endless wars of “democratization” in the ME and NA. Those who have enabled these monsters with their votes are also paying the price. The Germans are so cowed by their past that they no longer have the manhood to defend themselves.
Which brings us to an important point: When one sees evil being committed in one’s name, what should one do about it? How far are people willing to go to defend themselves and to fight injustice? We still have the ballot box in America, though we are seeing how the power that be are attempting to circumvent the people’s will with “brokered conventions” and “super delegates” and outright fraud. Does anyone actually think that Trump wanting to slow down the flow of Muslims into the US is why he is universally hated by there elite? Or why Mr. Sanders can get no respect from his own party?
No. The reason neither of those two men are likely to become POTUS is because they both have stated categorically that they are against the expending of any more blood and treasure for the wars of the neocons. And war is “good business.”
BTW, I agree with you about Africa. Every white should leave that continent post haste. It is a rich place and the native Africans should plot their own courses. However, I fear that the Chinese are even more rapacious than the Europeans of the past.
All nations today invaded someone else to get the land they’re living on. But “anti-racists” aren’t using that as an excuse to justify their genocide, unless they are White.
The Zulus in Africa conquered the Hottentots.
You never say Africans need to assimilate with millions of non-Blacks.
The Ottoman empire & Moorish empire stole large parts of Europe and made the Christians slaves.
You never say Muslim areas need to assimilate with millions of non-Muslims.
You “anti-racists” say this about all & only white countries. You are actually anti-white and demanding White genocide.
Unlimited immigration & forced assimilation for all & only white countries is genocide!
Being ‘Anti-racist’ is a code word for anti-white.
Please note Saker’s policy on the use of caps …. caps removed … mod-hs
Actually the Palestinians have it even worse. At least so far the immigrants in Europe aren’t taking “everything from them”. And don’t control Europeans in an Apartheid system.That may be the future. But unlike with the Palestinians,it isn’t that bad “yet”.
Uncle Bob 1,
Yes, 100% agree with you. The tragedy that has befallen Palestinians ( since1948!!!) is beyond horrific. God help them!
Carmel by the Sea
When I read this rant, which reflects our euro centric view, I could not help thinking about places like Hong Kong, which I hated by the way, because it is just China ruined by Anglo immigration.
Europeans, too, can come and trash places.
”Consider this: the Germans actually elected Hitler and then obeyed him until his death.” I think you’re getting a bit carried away old chap. Even as late as the 1932 elections in Germany the Nazis trailed behind the left bloc of KPD-SPD in the number of votes cast. The biggest party in Germany during the whole period was the SPD. In fact the Nazis were not even the biggest right-wing party, that dubious honour went to the DNVP (the German National Peoples Party).
Hitler was APPOINTED by Hindenburg as Chancellor, not elected. This was as a result of the false flag of the Reichstag fire, after which the enabling laws came into force banning opposition parties, but even after this the Nazis still did not secure an absolute majority in the German Parliament.
Frank, you are mistaken regarding the Germans not electing Hitler – they did. You are right that the german chancellor gets appointed by the president, not directly elected, but this happens according to the majority of the Reichstag, and Hitler had won that majority at that time, before the Reichtag fire.
(His party didn’t have an absolute majority alone but had agreed on coalition with a smaller party called DNVP for that.) He was elected by completely due process.
I agree that after that and after the Reichtag fire Hitler as the elected Chancellor then destroyed the democratic processes completely.
As the Saker I am starting to get really angry of this continuous Hitler Hitler Nazi Nazi shit. Maybe you guys should really start to read history and not believe all the propaganda against Germany, Hitler and the Nazi’s. Where they really that bad? If so then I believe you also consider Churchill as a hero, and …. Ike ….. and …… and that the atomic bomb on Hiroshima was necessary …… If you want to wake up then really … wake up to some more truths.
In any case ….. Whether you blame the 1% or who ever….. remember the Europeans, yes the small man, benefited from the exploits of the 1%. Did you complain? No …. so stop whining ….
Churchill was a devil. Both “World Wars” were unnecessary and preventable. But the Parties backing the wars for financial and political gain resorted to every type of chicanery to make sure that they happened. What matters the many millions of dead? The Bankers and Oligarchs became ever more wealthy.
Frank and Roland, you are both right & wrong – the german electoral system today is the same as it was then: we may vote for parties, and these then do whatever they want AND can with our votes, and what this is (was hinten rauskommt) is more often than not surprising & not surprising at once: it is not what anyone wanted, but this is the same again and again (e.g. the SPD was always strong until our days, but was always too cowardly and too corrupt to ever do anything worthwile (except for the Willy Brandt episode): they were more against the commies than against Hitler and thus effectively voted for Hitler – the SPD, not the SPD-voters. Hitler (who as a member of the Rotschild family was an agent of Rotschild’s Weltverschwörung against the rest of mankind) got more and more votes at every election until July 1932, but never enough for “being elected” by anyone, e.g. “the german voter”. Then, in November 1932 his popularity dropped (the germans “elected him” less than before), which had to alarm his handlers: his popularity was over, he had to become chancellor (to be able to do what he was meant to) now or never, and so they fought hard for it and won in the end. This was a “Kuhhandel” (bargaining) for nearly three months, after which those cow handlers presented their candidate to Hindenburg, who, after several refusals to appoint Hitler, had to, because this was his constitutional role.
The decisive problem in Hitler’s rise to the power position of executing his family’s plan to destroy most of Europe (including those parts which certain mentally, educationwise and morally underdeveloped immigrant children, who quickly left us here and went where the grass was greener and the wages higher, declare a nowhereland outside Europe and every other continent, “not of this world”) were, however, neither the germans voting for him, nor Hindenburg’s placet, nor the false flag event known as “Reichstagsbrand”. Nothing stopped the Reichstag or the passing of time to get rid of Hitler as quickly as of two or three dozen reichskanzlers before him. What made Hitler “unkaputtbar” was a gang of covert nazis in other parties of the type of the “liberal” Theodor Heuß who with their “Ermächtigungsgesetz”, pronounced on the Vatican’s day of March 24th, 1933 endorsed not only everything Hitler had done so far (including the insolent Reichtstagsbrand), but *everything he would ever do at any later time*: they granted him “dictatorship” (that useful thing which the Romans had bestowed upon on one of their own, if there was a need for such an extreme measure, for six months) whithout a deadline, for a trip without brakes.
Hitler was not “elected” *after” the Reichstagsbrand because of it, but before, and the false flag action of the Reichstagsbrand was his first political meant to achieve just what he did, acquiring unlimited powers, granted by “the best of the democrats” – not among the voters but within parliament. The french village idiot Franz Holland just did the same with his Nov_13_action, and the american village idiot Bush2 with 9/11. It works every time again, the “people” is never asked, and the “defenders of democracy” never do.
Would appreciate if you can share with me your source of information. It seems pure.
Sorry, it’s only now that I managed to arrive at comment #392, and to start a second round at #001. You are welcome asking me for my source of information, but it seems I cannot answer it the way you seem to want it. It did not quote from a reliable source, a book, but I shared some insight I gained in decades of observing politics (through media, reading and own experience) in the country I happened to be born into, i.e. (West) Germany (FRG), more exactly Westberlin (WB). Most is trial + error + keeping tabs after initial “experiences”. For instance I joined the SPD party while still in school “because they are obviously the best”, became quickly disenchanted, then was factually thrown out of it without ever being informed of it or be given any kind of reason for it. Then for decades I was mistreated by the regime of WB/All-Berlin, in which the SPD nearly always had the most important part – without ever any possibility to stop things which, when done in East Germany (DDR), were proof of their utter communist perfidy. So, since then I am following questions like: What does the SPD do, and why do they do what they do? When I was still younger I believed in Heuß (the first FRG president after the war) as one believes in Santa Claus, he was the prototype of the “good German”, who had never built a KZ and was so utterly “human”. When he was asked to attend a war game of the newly established bundeswehr, he agreed and told them “Nun siegt mal schön” (Go ahead, be a litle victorious), and the whole country country rejoiced at this proof that we had become 100% non-militarists within a few years. It is only some years ago that I discovered how useful for a renewed military dictatorship (through types like the Maiziere clicque, or bundeswehrgeneralleutnant Schönbohm, who militarizes Berlin’s police and security as Berlin’s “senator” (minister) of the interior, or our present police pres, Kandt, from the murder unit GSG9, who must have played a decisive role in making pres Kaczinski’s Tupolev ecplode in Smolensk at exactly the “right” minute and second, since he was rewarded afterwards with that prestigious post, just as Tusk was rewarded immediately with the Karlspreis and later with EU führership for his role in the plot)… well, how useful it is for such criminals when a popular frontman tells everybody convincingly that “we can never be militaristic again, when we are so gaga as our beloved supreme commander, Papa Heuß”. So I looked a bit into Heuß’ bio – his second Ermächtigungsgesetz is our famus constitution the Grundgesetz (GG) with a wonderful collection of “untouchable personal rights” – which may be touched and taken from you if someone above you feeels like, but not, when nobody feels like it. – At another occasion I felt like looking more precisely at the poll results of 1932 which as tables with numbers are well known and can be found anywhere. But what do they mean? In the lines above I expressed my understanding of the situation in early 1933 as a “now or never” situation – and was a bit surprised when at the end of page 3 of these comments I found that Jozef Goebbels hat used the same words “it’s now or never” in his diary which I never had a look at. So, TheSaker is not the only one who analyses things, and researching and thinking of your own always leads to results… in the long run.
I’d be satisfied if you could simply provide documentary evidence for your claim that Hitler was at all related to the Rothschilds. That family certainly profited from both the WW. BTW, I certainly don’t want to be seen as a “Denier” of the HC, as the number of George Soros co-religionist dead didn’t seem to bother him at all. Actually, nothing else matters when financial gain is to be made.
Great Job Saker! I am with you 100%. I am a GREEK-American and I love my motherland (GREECE/ELLAS) but sad we have no true leaders. The Greeks are once again fighting for not just their lands but their identity!
Anywhere you go in Greece, it just takes your breath away. I will be there in a week on the island of Chios. I will have a glass of wine for you…….
Isn’t Greece in NATO (like Turkey) therefore a de-facto enemy of Russia, no matter what you guy smoke ? Isn’t the Saker living in a country that is number one enemy of Russia ? Why didn’t he move to Russia if he thinks it is so much better over there ? After this rant, I finally understand Russian arrogance and hypocrisy. They want to be more Europeans than Eastern Europeans. Ideally, all Eastern Europeans should become slaves to Russian or Western Oligarchs !
Why didn’t he move to Russia if he thinks it is so much better over there?
For personal (family) reasons which are none of your business and which are a non-sequitur to my arguments. You are clearly an idiot and I invite you to get lost :-)
Cheers (and goodbye),
Saker, lovely answer :-)
Saker, it was a good rant – I loved it. I think I know where you are coming from. Personally, I’m sick to death with corrupt bankers and politicians. I’m sick to death with western mainstream media and how they are now involved in blatant lies and deceptions. And even more pathetic, I am sick to death with the sheeple who believe in the lies given to them by global elites and western mainstream media and call me “conspiracy theorist” just because I inform them of something that is not on TV News!
Peace to you Saker.
I don’t want to take anything away from your rant, as I believe it to be absolutely justified, but I want to add a little rant of my own.
I have often wondered (for years, in fact) when I hear Europeans upset about migrants from the third world (more often than not from ex-colonies, and people of color) moving into their neighborhoods, how the descendants of these very same new arrivals must have felt when white-skinned thugs sailed over from Europe, deposed their leaders, destroyed their societies, imposed their beliefs and culture, raped their women, enslaved their children, massacred at will, ravished their environment, stole their resources, etc, etc.
Probably very similar, in fact.
I’d like to thank you in advance for providing me with the opportunity to finally get this off my chest in a public forum.
I totally agree with you, Veronica. When you conquer other nations and plunder their riches, their people eventually migrate to the lands that did the invading.
What other choice do they have once their lands have been despoiled? India exported rice up through the 1940s. Then, the US flooded them with cut rate rice and put the farmers out of business. The US did the same to the corn farmers of Mexico, Honduras, etc.
The record of European ravages in Asia, North America, South America and Africa have real consequences for the Europeans today whose economies were built on the booty from other continents. As Faulkner said, “The past is never dead, it isn’t even past.”
Sorry there, your logic doesnt work out at all.
Firstly, mongols, africans, arabs, turks. Invaded, colonized, exterminated, rape, enslaved Europe many many times before Europeans got a chance to return the favore.
By your logic, Europeans should colonize the world as far as Mongolia.
And your claims about Europe being built on booty, again I refer you to the first point, Europe was plundered many times before Europeans got a chance to come into the game. And only Europeans advance and create modern technology. The very technology that is today used by the rest of the world and all none-Europeans.
Not only did Europeans develop the modern technology that exists today and never existed before Europeans invented it, but Europeans were the ones that ended slavery. Despite being brutally enslaved for thousands of years. By everyone from mongols to arabs to turks to north africans.
So you’re racist revenge fantasies seems misplaced to say the least
A lot of scientific discoveries, mathematical advances, and technology came from non-European peoples. Nobody is taking away what European peoples have developed for the betterment of all, but so have many other races. Arab, Persian, Indian, Chinese to name just a few.
And lets be honest here, European peoples are also the descendants of invading nomads who came out of the steppes and beyond, brutally displacing the earlier indigenous tribes of the continent.
What I was hoping to achieve in my original post was to look at the sources of our present troubles, and try to gain some empathy for the suffering peoples of the rest of the world. Those who have suffered (and continue to suffer), at the hands of western militaries and financial institutions. One reason for the existence of the BRICS is an attempt to set this situation right.
“A lot of scientific discoveries, mathematical advances, and technology came from non-European peoples. ”
-Sure it did, and a lot came from Europeans, alot. A lot. While all other races had their time of dominance, Chinese, arabs, africans, indians, american indians, none of them invented advance technology and none of them declared an end to slavery. Quite the opposite, many african and arabs states only stop practicing slavery after being forced by Europeans, and many still practices it secretly, such as the african-blacks enslavement of Pygmies. Were africans enslave, capture and eat Pygmies.
“In the Republic of Congo, where Pygmies make up 2% of the population, many Pygmies live as slaves to Bantu masters.”
“In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti pygmies, told the UN’s Indigenous People’s Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals.”
Everyone is descended of someone that brutally replace someone else, so are africans, arabs, chinese, why in Europeans were first in America, but they were exterminated by brutal indian invaders. I don’t see your point.
“Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence suggests. ”
I maintain that it is a pretty weird reaction when you hear about violent and racism directed against an ethnic group, that your reaction is bring up supposed atrocities by that ethnic group hundreds of years ago.
When you put it that way we all get what we deserve.Untill we stop exploitation in all forms this will never end.
You basically seal the argument.Well done.I am now ashamed of my previous comments..
The old saying still stands true for me anyway “It is better to keep ones mouth shut and let everyone think you are a fool than to open it and prove them right”.
I suppose someone has to respond to the flood of nonsense from @Liz here on the blog. I’ll take on the thankless task. I won’t address the “no Europeans migrated to Palestine” comment at the top but this particular one is unbelievable in its self serving ignorance and duplicity. So in no particular order, the first inanity I’ll take on is the claim of slavery re the Mbuti people in the Congo.
@Liz quotes wikipedia to make her claim that “Bantus” enslave “Pygmies” (the European derogatory name for the Mbuti) First of the relationship between the Mbuti and their Bantu “masters” is not slavery. Regardless of what wikipedia or an article in the “News Observer” calls it. The Mbuti are complaining of low wages. Everything else is added by the reporter. The Mbuti the reporter quotes only complain of low wages, they do not claim to be owned or enslaved by the Bantu. I doubt that @Liz even read the article that the wikipedia page she cites is based on. So @Liz read the evidence you put forward. Your claim here is false. As is the wikipedia page you cite. But whats new.
Furthermore I see no evidence beyond barefaced claims in that wikipedia article that “Pygmies” (a European derogatory name used throughout by the wikipedia article and in the western press reports it cites) are born slaves to Bantu. @Liz Please cite some real historical evidence not embroidered news reports in the western media and Wikipedia. (as a side note @Liz check the numbers on Pygmy populations in the wikipedia article and in the articles it cites. They make no sense. How exactly is that article credible?)
As for the Pygmies being eaten, I cannot say that did not happen during the war. It may have. Much evil comes out of war as the Nuremberg principles recognized. But don’t try to make this out to be the norm it is clearly an aberration. Moreover it happened as land was being cleared for mineral exploitation by who else the western mineral companies. What we do know though is that in the 20th century europeans could buy a hunting license in south africa to hunt down local peoples for sport.
The second claim here is that Europeans were the first to set foot in the Americas and were then exterminated by the Native Americans. This is complete nonsense. Did you even read the article in the Telegraph that you link to? All it says is that some finds “suggest!” that Europeans may have travelled to the Americas before the native Americans. It is not proof that they did or that they took over north America, or that they were exterminated by the Native Americans. The scale of your ignorance and your reliance on western news sources and wikipedia is confusing you. Far more evidence (beyond suggestions) exists that the progenitors of todays Native Americans were first in the Americas.
Please provide actual evidence for your claim that Europeans were exterminated by Native Americans?
There are far more inanities ad stupidities in @Liz comments than I have time for right now. Anyway I fear the task is hopeless. I have rarely seen this scale of ignorance, and nonsense put forth in the comments of the Saker’s blog.
Well, African Cromagnons conquered Europe first.:))
Ngoyo wrote :
” I have rarely seen this scale of ignorance……….”
Quite frightening isn’t it ?
By “no European migrated to Palestine” she meant the Israeli Jews are “native” to Palestine. She is trying to legitimize / erase the theft of the Palestinians’ lands by the European Jews, albeit in a very subtle way.
Ergo, IF no Europeans migrated to Palestine, then the Jews in the Zionist Entity are natives.
Got it now?
Beware of the Zionist Jews. They are crafty in words and deeds. Every day and twice on Sundays.
Carmel by the Sea
Yes Europe was overrun by invaders and yes, Europe developed empires for resources and overran, stole and murdered, destroyed others’ culture, societies and wealth. “We” – I am technically European, in fact Greek – are still at it and even worse than ever before.
What always struck me as terrible was that the people whose lands and livelihoods we had destroyed emigrated to the land of the destroyers – most to survive, the few to be “trained” via Fulbrights and the CIA.
As someone that had to leave home as a child and forcibly emigrate with my family – we were political enemies of the state (the CIA junta) – I know there is nothing harder to do. To leave behind grandparents and other dependent aging relatives, pets [not allowed to be taken at that time], one’s home, friends, language, culture, country, landscapes, ancestral acres and religious milieu is to be instantly transformed into a permanent outsider, the not-belonging, the other. Someone whose presence by definition unsettles and upsets the natives, no matter how personally liked they may be.
The truth is that most emigrants feel like that. Almost All would rather be home – were it possible. Certainly the Syrians would rather be home…but I am very much afraid that the sick, obsessed neocons of Washington and Tel Aviv are determined to make sure there is not much left of Syria to go back to.
You want to learn history. When did African’s conquer Europe before the Europeans conquered Africa? Can you give us the chronology?
As to Europeans inventing modern technology. You may want to learn the history of China, India and Africa. Europe has certainly invented much. But the foundations of what we consider modern technology came from elsewhere. Every dominant society in the world becomes the center of ideas, invention etc while it remains dominant. The Africans in Egypt, Chinese, Indians, Arabs etc
Apart from some territories in the North, by the year 700 pretty much the whole of current-day Spain and Portugal were conquered by the Arabs. Today you woild say Spain was a Maroccan colony. It took about 750 years of fighting to get Spain back. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
Bulgaria and Greece were once part of what is today called Turkey. Invasions from Turkey routinely were blocked off in Austria, at the gates of Vienna. Austria never was a Turkish colony, but that doesn’t mean they tried.
On the subject of colonies, some consider Ireland to have been invaded and colonized by the British, and split upon independence , similar to what happened to other former UK colonies such as India.
Turks never made it to Vienna.They were stoped At Sisak in today’s Croatia.Thats how west was saved from Turks and look how west is repaying them today.
Branko, your claim about Croats stopping Turks in Sisak (Croatia) was probably written by some Croatian author :-)
Please, allow Google to be your best friend .. and check about Polish general Jan III Sobieski and his “Battle of VIenna” ..
Turks made it to Vienna, you were not listening your history teacher in former Yugoslavia. If anyone was fighting Turks in that region than it could only be Serbs. Serbs gave freedom to many, Slovenians, Croats etc.
In return they got Jasenovac!
Google “Moors” Northern africans enslaved Europeans and occupied large swaths of Europe for over 700 years. Not to mention other africans.
@Liz you obviously know no history beyond some smattering of stock phrases you picked up someplace. Rather than belabor the point. Pick up a book and dispel that ignorance.
It is true that Arabs conquered the South of Spain. But you claimed:
“Firstly, mongols, africans, arabs, turks. Invaded, colonized, exterminated, rape, enslaved Europe many many times before Europeans got a chance to return the favore.”
Those are specific claims. I asked you for a chronology. You haven’t provided one. Because your claims there are false. I’ll assume you are ignorant rather than just a liar. I’ll also give you a hint relative to Africa at least, since you included it there.
The European ravaging of North Africa (an Asia) began in Greek times under Alexander of Macedon (who is called the great for his conquest of North Africa and Asia up to India). That, if you don’t know, is before Islam or the Arab conquest of Spain.
If you doubt that you can look up the year. But even you should know that the Romans had conquered the Levant (which is in Asia) in the time of Christ (which is before the Arab conquest of Spain).
You may also want to spend some time investigating the whole Arabs and Africans “exterminated” and “enslaved” Europeans. This is true of the Turks (at least the enslavement part, they never exterminated Europeans). But the Turks are neither Arabs, nor Africans, nor are they the migrants in Europe.
Finally the migrants are neither invading nor conquering Europe. Europe invaded and conquered their countries. Just to dispel that falsehood.
Liz, before the Mongols the Norsmen/Rus battered their way clear to Constantinople… It wasn’t pretty but the clash of civilizations isn’t. It was all about plunder, slaves and making examples.
i get bored with American Elitists and Euro-Elitists… you need to review history.
“Europeans were the ones that ended slavery.”
Slavery never ended and never will, it is just changing shape and become more and more sofisticated.
If you have a car and house in Europe does not mean that you are free, as the majority of people belive.
“Europe is not free. Because freedom begins with speaking the truth……………”
I think you would find the new book Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil by Gerard Menuhin – son of the great violinist, Yehudi Menuhin, interesting. It is VERY interesting actually, about Germany and Hitler and all that.
Are you saying the European nations did not despoil all these continents? I live in the US and my forebears came from Europe.
If I was TheSaker I would tell you that you are (removed by the Saker, too insulting). However, you are not as wrong as it looks at first glance. What if you are right, and invaders and rapists threaten us from everywhere?
The most dangerous and merciless ones would then be the black people. According to all we know today (tomorrow things may be again different), our globe was a peaceful reservation of mammuts, sable-tooth tigers and ice-bears until a small gang of african “Huns, Whops and Dagos”… err… “invaders, colonists and rapists” made it from Africa through Palestine to Eurasia where they started to multiply and building up what is known today as “modern man” or “mankind”. Nobody ever colonized more of the Earth’s surface than these Africans! Which proves that you are right. Also: there are now probably more black people in the rest of the world than in Africa, especially in the formerly peaceful habitat of TheSaker, America, so that their habitude of interfering with us, the Whites, through colonization is proven. We will never forget that people from Africa (islamists) came to a small part of the small part of the world that is regarded as “Europe” even by TheSaker, namely Spain and Portugal, to build up a culture that we can only dream of today. The Romans (who toiled in Italy, which according to TheSaker is Europe because it is southern and catholic and mafia) had colonized Spain before (an inner-european affair, none of your biz, drop dead!) just like the rest of the Mediterranean (including North Africa and Arabia – a protective measure, which we would need so much today, which shows the philanthropic foresight of the Romans).
Later, “Those That Are No Europeans” according to TheSaker, because they lived north of the bratwurstlinie and East of the Rhine (i.e. beyond the Roman “Limes” frontier wall), the Germanics, forefathers of the Germans and others which do or do not belong to Europe according to TheSaker, namely the Vandals, the Visigoths and Ostrogoths, went west and south and took over France, Spain/Portugal and Carthago in North Africa, for building again a philanthropic white bulwark against the future colonizers we see today even in the Eastern (non-European) town of Berlin! The world never forgot what our brave Vandals were! The northern branch of the African invaders of Eurasia then went berserk and spit out of “Middle Asia” one tribe or people or nation after another – they all discovered that the grass is greener in the south and in the west, and so they went west (“huns”, “tartars”, “mongols”) or south (“turcs”) to colonize, rape and rob, and so did our germanic forefathers, the Normen or Norwegians or Normans who destroyed everything they could reach by ship, a method then taken over by the english.
All this is very sad, but when one complains that Europe was “plundered many times before Europe had a chance to come into the game”, then one should really provide a timescale, Liz. “Europe”, according to TheSaker, is definitely Italy, thus Rome, but Greece only perhaps, not really. Rome, founded by Aeneas after the Trojan war ca 1200 B.C., needed ca 1000 years before it was really into the game, but after the wars with Carthago, 201 B.C., Rome was ready to invade and rob and rape all other countries it knew of and did just that, ever since, since through people like the jesuit pope Franjo Rome still rules: that is the “true Europe” which The Saker loves so much. But he onslaughts you denounce, Liz, did not happen during those 1000 years between Aeneas and Scipio Africanus (“before Europe had a chance…”), but much later: the “Huns” you forgot to mention did invade the homeland of the Ostrogoths in today’s Ukraine in A.D. 375 only, but were rebuffed in 451 in Italy; the Arabs came from North Africa to Spain ca 800 but did not exterminate/rape/enslave – they produced culture, education and wealth out of not much before, and it was the frontman of papism, Charlemagne and his pillagers, who threw the Arabs out and brought barbarism back to Spain – bad example. The Mongols did annoy the Russians through centuries, but not before their coming into existence in 1211, but this is “none of your business” since “Russia is not Europe”. They did not stop because they lost interest, but because
“their advance into Europe was halted” (Wikipedia) in 1241 in Legnica, not far from today’s german border with Poland, by a Polish army – but had they had the possibility to advance into Germany, this would have been again no damage to Europe because neither Russia nor Poland nor Germany east of the Limes are “Europe”. The Turcs advanced up to Vienna, were thrown back again by the non-european Poles, so that they could occupy and rape and rob and colonize only the Balkans, which is again none of your business, because the Balkans are no more Europe than Goslar, Gniezno or Sanktpeterburg – not that Europe that Coudenhove-Kalergi, Hitler, Adenauer, Franz-Jozef Strauß and TheSaker acknowledge.
In sum the only people who destroyed, and raped and enslaved Europe again and again and again were the Europeans themselves, and the only invasion that ever took place from the outside into that clerical-fascist defined rump Europe “before Europe got a chance” was that of the descendants of those Africans who were the first (“modern”) humans anywhere.
This is the most impressive, true historically and defending justice comment here. Thanks from another one on the side of truth and justice only.
the sakers rant makes a lot of sense when looked at from local community/society level. Lots of factors are at play here and our contributions are all correct in their subjective ways (all roads lead to Rome).In South Africa , local communities would understand the Saker , were they to read the article. Unfortunately their genuine concerns are dismissed as Xenophobia.
So you hear about white skinned children being gangraped by the hundreds by thousands of african/arab muslims in public and you think about Europeans stealing others resouces hundreds of years ago?
That is pretty weird.
Wouldnt a more logical reaction be to think about how arabs deposed white leaders, destroyed their societies, imposed their beliefs and culture, raped their women, enslaved their children, massacred at will, ravished their environment, stole their resources, etc, etc. on whites 500 years or so? Or how hords of asians mongols did the same over and over again to whites.. Or black moors.. Or Turks..etc etc
“…destroyed their societies,imposed their beliefs and culture, enslaved their children,raped their women, massacred at will, ravished their environment,stole their resources”…
Gee..Liz , you just described Askenazis ( White) Israelis to a tee.
Any reason why you don’t mention White Jews?
For staters you can type ” Stalin’s Jews” article from a Jewish Israeli newspaper. Or read a few articles of Gilad Atzmon ( former Jew and former Israeli).
Btw…. You wouldn’t be a Zionist Jew?
The reason for my asking it’s because your posts as opposed to the other White people posting about this subject here, has a certain kind of ” flavor” that I have always “tasted” by Hasbarists Zionists cooks.
Of course, one can also call it a “style”. For example one would be able to recognize a painting of Van Gogh from a Renoir. It is the ” strokes” of your brush( way of wording) that are very familiar to me.
Carmel by the Sea
You are right. But that isn’t the point. Saying that is like saying,”if I’d stayed in bed I wouldn’t have fallen in the yard and broke my leg”. Instead you go to the hospital and get it treated.It certainly should be recognized that the Europeans brought these problems on themselves. But it also certainly should be recognized that they now need to solve those problems. Not just bemoan their own guilt.
@Uncle Bob 1
She is not right! She is spewing nonsense. Which hordes of black moors? when? before Alexander’s conquest of Egypt or after? Before the Romans conquered North Africa or after? There have never been any hordes of Black moors conquering Europe. Europeans attacked the entirety of Africa without provocation and they have continued to do so to this day. This stuff about Africans attacking Europe is sheer nonsense.
Ngoyo Whilst the Normans were busy imposing their tyranny on the English and Welsh and consequently paid little attention to anything that didn’t directly threaten them, the Moors, or at least slavers living in Morroco raided the shores of Britain and Ireland [+Spain,France,Portugal] sometimes carrying off whole villages to order for agricultural servitude in Morroco. Mostly the ships were crewed by Africans who had earned their freedom and become Moslem, there are still villages in the hills of Morroco where the locals speak an ancient version of cornish/gaelic. Some of these captives were fishermen who could in turn rapidly earn their freedom, they were mainly used on the African trade just as the Africans were mainly used in Europe, these fishermen were the only ones who ever returned home. I don’t know for sure but strongly suspect the first british slavers were returnees, what I do know is that some of the ‘bigger’ slaver families moved from Morroco to Britain when the trade took off here.
No doubt there was some raiding between continents. The moors may have been Arab, Berber and Black or a mix thereof at different times. It must be recognized that Moor was a catch all term. Nonetheless they were Africans. But thats not the point.
The Norman conquest is a thousand years after Christ and 1400 years after Alexander was engaged in the despoiling of North Africa. So it won’t do if the goal is (as it is with @Liz) to portray the Europeans as essentially eternal victims of, well everyone they have victimized. I’ll discuss slavery in my response to Ruiz below.
She’s partially right.
First there is no country ‘Africa” It’s a continent that’s the biggest of them all.
There were many kingdoms in the times of Alexander in Africa, who fought big wars with themselves.
The Egyptions conquered a big part of middle Africa, 2000 years before there was any decent civilisation in Europe. They enslaved the people they conquered, with the Nubian people as the most known today.
There were may different African empires in the times before and after the Egyptian rule who waged wars against each other
The empire of Mali and Ghana AD for example. The Moors conquered Europe in 732 AD all the way to Poitiers in France. But i totally agree with you the the Europeans ripped off the African continent from the beginning of 1200 AD. But Europeans did not invent slavery, it existed long before. What they did is capitalise it for huge profits!!
Btw, i am frequent reader of this blog and a big fan of all the info shared!
It gives me a better perspective of world events unfolding!!
Thank you Saker!!
Ruiz your comment is well taken. But @Liz is not even partially right. Her comments are full of falsehood after falsehood, and a depth of ignorance that is breathtaking. There are a couple of points re your comment 1. slavery and 2. wars between societies, African or otherwise and how all this relates to Europe.
1. Slavery as practiced in the ancient world and in Africa is very different from the enslavement of black Africans by Europeans between the 16th and 19th centuries. The difference is so great that they are completely separate things. Ancient and African slavery was what is sometimes refered to as domestic slavery, while the European variety is sometices called Chattel slavery. The name distinction is haphazard and has not stuck, I believe because western scholarship would like us to continue conflating the two practices. This enables people like @Liz to make nonsensical arguments about Bantu enslaving Pygmies, Europeans being enslaved for thousands of years by all and sundry etc etc.
Domestic slavery in Africa and the Ancient world was really indentured servitude. It was not necessarily hereditary, people were not really “owned” by other people and there were multiple routes out of it for the “slaves”. The so called slaves could also own property in their own right and engage in trade and business for themselves, they sometimes became quite wealthy and had “slaves” of their own. In Africa these “slaves” often rose to high political office. Africa, unlike Europe, did not have the institution of absolute monarchy (there were very few exceptions e.g. Chaka in Natal). The power of African kings was almost always limited by councils which were charged with selecting the Kings, guiding them in all matters and in many cases these councils had the power to order the king’s death. This is important because so called slaves, often served on those councils. In many African kingdoms, so called slaves held some of the highest offices in the land. The stories of Moses and Joseph in Egypt and emblematic of the Ancient African institution of slavery. Those two “slaves” rose to the second highest offices in that African kingdom.
The modern European variety of slavery was a completely different animal. People were owned outright, as property. The slave owner had the same rights over their slaves as they did over their farm animals, carts and implements. European slavery was hereditary with no route for getting out of it. Slaves in this system could not own property engage in business, hold political office etc etc. They were in fact chattel. Furthermore the Europeans augmented their enslavement of Africans with something very pernicious that was absent in the ancient world’s “slavery”: Racism. The Europeans fashioned an entire intellectual edifice of hate and then spread its malevolence everywhere they went in world.
As to the issue of war, conquest and imperialism, its no good trying to justify Europe by pointing to other peoples wars and conquests. What the Europeans did was unique. Qualitatively and quantitatively. No other society has ever sought to conquer the whole world. The Europeans have been trying it since the time of Alexander of Macedon.
More importantly European imperialism has a uniquely psychopathic element to it. The Europeans traveled great distances to attack people with whom they had no previous dealing. This is truely psychopathic. I can understand wars between neighbors. People in close proximity will always have differences and these can lead to war. But what did the Indians, Chinese, Zulus, Aborigines etc ever do to the Europeans?
Here I like to point out what happened when the Europeans arrived on the east coast of Africa in 1497. Vasco Da Gama who rounded the cape of Good Hope in 1497 and promptly took captive the first Africans he met there. A couple of fishermen out a sea. These were hauled back to Portugal in cages for display. He sailed up the coats to Malindi (present day Kenya) where the king gave him a pilot who took him to India. After he returned to Europe the Portuguese sent out a fleet under admiral de Almeida who arrived off the east african coast 10 years later. The dropped anchor at the first trading african port city they came to and went ashore and without warning attacked and looted the city killing all the inhabitants and settiung it on fire. This is according to their own records. Then they proceeded up the coast doing the same. This is what I mean by pschopathic. This was not behavior that the Chinese, Indians or even Arabs engaged in.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I’ve been reading your comments closely on this thread and am truly appreciative. Please keep them coming.
In turks sultanate many slaves rose to the position of Kings and even emperors.
Yes, you are right there, Veronica, totally agree.
Another comment got to the core question before wandering very far off topic:
“When one sees evil being committed in one’s name, what should one do about it? How far are people willing to go to defend themselves and to fight injustice?”
The evil of colonialism became the cause of Europe’s slow suicide. The Catholic Church threw away its authority, starting with the Crusades in 1098 AD, and after 1500 AD by working closely with despotic Spain and Portugal to enslave and murder the people of Latin America and elsewhere. If anyone had dared to objected to the rape and murder of other peoples, they would have found themselves abandoned by the Church and would have found no refuge, no political support there. Worse, the stolen wealth of the victims was then used to seduce the European middle classes and to terrorize Europe’s lower classes, so that as a practical matter, there never was effective opposition to what was obviously morally wrong. Being slaves to power predates the American “liberation” of Europe in 1945, but it’s important to note that this slavish attitude towards the wealthy elite was a core factor that helped the American empire to gain control over Europe, and to keep that control, even today. So there is a strong tie between the historic crimes of centuries past and the destruction of Europe today. I have to agree with the Saker, and this is based on my personal experience, that historical and devout Islam is no threat whatsoever, but Wahabbism is a cooked-up nasty piece of evil. But Islam does not motivate most people who left North Africa (for instance), and they would not make a good replacement for the previous Europeans. As some Afro-French rapper said, the hope was that when Algerians moved to France, you would get people with a Koran under one arm and a baguette under the other arm. Instead, Zionists imported rap culture from the US and imposed it on the ghettos of France. If that sounds far-fetched, consider this: The very first rap concert in France was at the Olympiad, the largest and most expensive concert hall in the country. That was top-down imposition, not organic bottom-up. So we got trash rap instead of the Koran and baguette.
Liz is flat BS when she wrote that “And only Europeans advance and create modern technology.” That technology itself was created by using pre-existing wealth. Anyone who knows the history of modern technology, since 1700 AD, knows that.
Two key items that people overlook today are the Charles X Ransom where poor Haiti paid off the French slave-owners of Haiti for the 1798 liberation, and the Ransom was paid until – get this – 1947. In 1900, 80% of the revenue of the Haitian government was shipped off to enrichen France. So Liz is an odious idiot or more likely just a troll. The other item is the CFA Franc. The French steal 25% a year from the accounts of their “former” colonies. Libya was preparing to open a pan-African bank which would have ended this theft and that’s the real reason why France spearheaded the attack on LIbya, with Britain and Washington as runners-up. That’s serious money, stolen from the very poorest people on the planet.
Saker wrote a really nice rant. There’s only part that I don’t agree with – but also do not understand – is the idea that Eastern Europe is not European. Perhaps Saker could shed some light on this. I don’t see how the West-East division could be more than a personal conceit. Eastern Europe was always quite connected to the Western half. For instance, the Great Depression of 1873 started when the real estate bubble in Eastern Europe “popped” and financiers as far away as London went bust in the first month of that crash. I can accept that perhaps Russia, which I don’t know well, has always had a somewhat different culture, although it’s clear that Russia loves European culture and clearly considers itself somewhat more Euro than Eurasian.
So the real question is how to move things forward. For Europe and North America, the question is how can we obtain a strong moral foundation and create a more just and hence more peaceful world. Obviously, there is no simple answer. Blame the various elites who treat us like slaves. Blame the networks of Jewish supremacists. Blame our murderous thieving ancestors. Blame our own ignorance, cowardice and laziness. But all that well-deserved blame does not give us enough concepts to build something new and better. The hard choices sill lie in front of us.
Remarkably free of typos. Utterly clear narrative. A good eye-witness account that I have to give a lot of credence to. It makes sense, and matches history. I’m glad to see you spit out the names of the true perpetrators.
Thank you, Saker.
LIke you, Saker I know intimately and love Europe, where I first arrived at age 14. And like you, what is happening to Europe, Itake as a personal offense. For any years I defended the right of Eastern Europe to at last be part of ‘Europe’: I even wrote a book about reunification, that no one wanted to publish: it came out on the day the Berlin Wall fell, published by an academic who taught systems theory and was taken with my partly systems approach to geo-politics (the other part being Taoism). Now I realize that Eatern Europe wasn’t really ‘European’ as you say, but only in the sense that it was not exposed to the Third World, as Western Europe was. I am ashamed that the country of y father’s father, Hungary, was the first to talk about putting up a wall: I lived there for five years during the New Economic Mechanism. But above all, I believe that Wall St and Co have been determined to undermine the Welfare State, as a bad example for American workers Bernie is finally helping them catch up) and they have done a pretty good job. Also, of course, the US wants BG to stay in because it’s partly through them that the US pulls the strings in Brussels. But how does one end up in Florida after loving Greece and Italy?!
Hi Deena, I remember you from the old blog, glad to see you here again.
I also find building walls to mantain some people apart an horrible thing, and in this regard also find a shame the fence there is in Melilla, Spain, where the migrants remain hanging during days and made themselves horrible wounds in the try to jump to the other side.
I would love a word without borders, although I know this is an uthopy, because we are all of very different condition and with the honest people and the good things also come the bad people, drugs and other things that are wrong.
In fact, what I most enjoy from the EU ( and maybe this is the only thing ) is the Schengen Space. Living so near from France I found a joy, since the very beggining of this opening of borders, being able to go from one country to another without any barrier, any control, any distrutful look.
You see, I can catch a train here in my city and appear in París the same way I go from one Spanish city to another.
In this regard, could easily imagine how would be to take my old car and drive from here to, for example, Moscow, in a few days, in what could be an Eurasia without borders…..and, one morning….Hi Comrade Putin, I arrive very tired of driving, may I come in for breakfast?
You can choose between open borders and social services for all. You can’t have both.
No, that is a falacy of speech.
Yes we can have both, if the monarchies, the oligarchs and their lackeys not pocketing so much.
Thanks for your greeting. It is (was) a wonderful thign to be able to drive non-stop across Europe: I got as far as Budapest even before Schengen, and I’m sure that if the Europeans screw their heads on straight again, my grandson will be able to have ‘Breakfast at the Kremlin’ (instead of Tiffany’s). You can read about my travels and much more in my memoir, Lunch with Fellini, Dinner with Fidel.
Saker the problem is that appearance belies reality. What appears as a problem of migration is a class offensive against the reamians of the welfare state in Europe and comined with the imperial rape of Africa and the Middle east. They are the same thing a rapacious ‘globalization’ which is US fincial system unbound.
Symptoms of cultural decay are universal, and this destruction of the past into a 1984 prole-world its end product. But making it about issues as if migration policy will cure it is a divergance. The immigration issue is that refugees are not given shelter as refugees they are let in as if they were migrants they are treated as migrants because they then compete with wages and form an under class desperate and resentful of a host who does not host them but simply drops them in.
Most people prefer their own homes, but poverty and war has been used to herd people like animals from their homes – the problem has to be tackled from both ends. NATO is responsible for this, NATO protects Turkey as a security asset when it is a liability. China offers hope economically so it needs peace and that cannot happen while NATO persists. That is the target, the weak spot, is NATOs alliance with terrorism that directly led to the Brussels attack.
Forget Merkel and the rest of the slime it is the military presence of the US in Europe that produces this problem, imperialism as security is the problem and that has to be dismantled before anything else. I see the migrant issue as a production this mess is its purpose. Europe could easily have create comfortable refugee camps keeping nationalities together allowing effective resources of education and skills for when they go home – Europe chose not to do this but if NATO was not present why would they.
If a rant tells the truth, it may technically remain a rant, but practically it becomes essential information/communication.
You have hit many main issues from a perspective that I fully agree with and often write about.
Keep up the good work brother.
Thank you for your heart-felt explanation/analysis/rant. I consider the information provided extremely valuable, as a person less than half your age.
Although the world is in a state of extreme darkness right now, and the vast majority of people are sheep more than willing to be led to the slaughter, there is still hope. People are waking up, despite the ignorance of the masses. There is still a chance we can find a way to turn this sinking ship around. You may find that even in the darkest of times, there is still light, there is still hope, and that we will find a way to end this madness.
Well, Saker, for to “be written in a shot and the kind of warp-speed typing”, this is the best analysis I have read lately from you, in the line of the good times, when I arrived here.
I was wondering where had you been, even I thought you had been intercepted, abducted or reprogrammed by the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, or whatever, because, honestly, lately I hardly can find any recognizable in this blog with respect to the past.
So, it seems that, in the end, even if you have to pass a bit of a bad time, will have to make you angry for having returned The Saker of always.
In the end, few things to disagree on my part, I think that you paint the issue very accurately to reality.
I have to recognize that I do not feel many troubles with the immigration issue because I live in an area which, even within Spain, has not so high rates of immigration than, for example, large cities in my country like Madrid or Barcelona nor other countries which were traditionally a destination for immigrants like France, Germany or Switzerland. Apart that I love all the people in the world, love races, languages and changing climates and landscapes.
Besides I did not know some historical facts and strange connections you are pointing about the May68 events, my awake to politics has been really recent and I am aware that I have still a lot of history to learn. BHL I consider a really evil person. Once I viewed an ancient program of Spanish TV ” La Clave” where was taking also part Santiago Carrillo, where BHL was very young and I could see he was full of anger and hatred already from youth, looked so much evil and even more than today, repulsive as could be.
I apologize if I hurt you or made you feel upset with anything I wrote here, and wated to ask you to write more, please, rants or whatever you could like, but write, do not let the blog changing its style, the personal style of yours which was what brought most of us here.
Happy Orthodox Easter.
I thought you had been intercepted, abducted or reprogrammed by the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, or whatever,
Not at all, I was just very, very busy. If you think that all the good guest articles here happen just by chance, I assure you that they do not. Identifying the right people and get them to write takes a lot of time. I also have to deal with various community-wide issues. Finally, I still have a family which needs me to take care of lots of issues.
So, at least so far, the CIA/DIA/NSA have left me in peace for which I am grateful to them and, insha’allah they will continue to leave me alone :-)
I do not believe for a moment that May 68 was orchestrated by the CIA or a color revolution. That people go into the streets and demonstrate is nothing new, especially not in France. Every human protest can not be explained by CIA infiltration, color revolution or false flag. Think about it! There have been large protests in Spain in recent years, do you think there is a simple explanation?
I participated in the period after 1968 in the antiwar movement in a Scandinavian country. We protested against the US war in Vietnam, Laos, Kampuchea and other injustices foreign and domestic. We lived a hard activistic life alongside studies or work. It was really hard work but we learned a lot. We managed to turn public opinion to an anti-US war and it can hardly have been in the CIA’s interest, right?
I’m actually a little upset about the banal history I sometimes can read about the 1968 and later. In my country we can be described as red wine drinking “philosophers” who just sat and talked. Something that I never have done. We had no time for relaxation. In every big war crime (US B58 bombings in Southeast Asia) we went out and demonstrated in the streets. In between, we distributed leaflets outside hospitals and industries, against the war.
Well, we turned an indifferent population to an anti-war population. It was a proud activist time that was completely peaceful. We met, however, violence by mounted police, old fascists and the like. Our commitment in 1965 – – 75 (end of Vietnam War) should be a good flagship model of how people of Europe should get involved today.
As you probably know, the so-called 68-movement in Paris is not only a French phenomenon but spread to many Western European countries. Of course, arose various species of seals of the struggle in different countries.
In France May-68 also spread to industries which began in sympathy strikes. That frightened the French upper class and bourgeoisie. At the time, postwar French Communist Party was still strong (PCF, read about George Marchais on Wikipedia). You probably know that the French Communist Party after the Second World War was one of France’s biggest parties. Later it came to degenerate and today PCF time slogans are rhetorically taken over by the National Front/lePen, which in the end has a very different agenda, for example the foreign policy regarding France’s former Colonies in Africa.
After the Vietnam War several of the people I knew in the 70s worked periodically unpaid for the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a part of PLO) and the Red Crescent (Red Cross) in the Palestinian refugee camps, in the international name of solidarity.
I do not accept the description of May-68 was a result of the CIA and the color revolution, or false flag. Somebody saying that have not understood what was going on in the deep layers of the population in France, and elsewhere. I told a Frenchman yesterday what I read. He just laughed at the allegations. He said that the French people have always taken to the streets to demonstrate. He also said that deGaulles historical role is exaggerated. At least in the aspect that the National Front uses deGaulle today, namely that of France and the French nation and independense.
Comradely greetings / Leliah.
Thanks a lot Comrade Leliah for your post.
The idea I had about the May68 events was indeed like that you are telling and I was really surprised when I read The Saker talking about CIA´s hand in all that.
But, if you take into account that I was not born at the times the events took part and that my school time / education happened to be in the throes of a fascist dictatorship, I am aware that my idea of certain historical events is far from the accurate reality except for the topics I have studied so far on my own since my relatively recent awakening to politics.
Clearly, I need a tutor to guide me in all this, I tried to take it from some commentator here but he was too enigmatic and I’m not sure what was his own agenda.
I remember you, being a doctor who commented on Putin’s remarks certain jobs for “simpletons”, but it is a while I have not seen you around here.
Sometimes I feel very lonely in this blog and even as if I were in enemy field, so as I could easily imagine the solitude of the last Spetsnaz from a whole group of Scouts, but still here, feeling like I should not leave the trench…..
Come over around here more often, please, comrade.
Oh Saker, so disapointed that you didn´t mention Austria in your travels :D Come on, we are basically neighbours ;) But that´s not the point.
The point is you are absolutly spot on and on point. Sure, from past articles i thought you had some real strange hatred for Europe, but now i understand it better. As someone born, raised and living in Austria, i feel the absolut same way.
My experience with Muslims was a little bit more negative, but i can´t say if they were religious or not, yet they thought everything should bend to their will where i grew up. Needless to say, they were not very popular. As far as Turks goes, it´s kinda the same. They mostly had no attention in integrating, so a sub-culture came into existence. People can call that racism, but after friendships with some and also a relationship with one girl from Istanbul..sigh..they were arrogant to no end. Anway, that´s just about the point you didn´t say anything because of lack of experience.
But i get you now. I may be younger than you, but i too remember yesterdays Europe, and i hate the European Union with a passion. I hope that illegal immigration project now blows up right in their face. Actually, the fact that they are trying hard to take the guns away from the people, is to me a sign that they do fear their own population.
As far as Germany goes in your Russia post. That´s probably right. But, and that´s a big but, you do have to take in account the situation that paved the way for the Nazi party to come to power. The people were desperate after living long enough under the (salve) treaty of versailles, they were grasping for hope. Just saying.
That´s a nice idea, Islam will stay but Wahhabism has to be cleaned out. The question is really on how to even achive that. I certainly have no clue. Have you one?
Ugh the Ottomans. Let´s face it. They never gave up their pivot into Europe since the day the Byzantine Empire was collapsing anyway and they sacked Constantinople. What followed then is well known history. Turkey, especially under Erdogan is a huge threat.
Maybe i´m a little bit more hopeful when it comes to the parties, not much though. I will be honest, we in Austria need to vote for the right party. IF that doesn´t work out. Then i only see a way in cleaning house, with pitchforks and fire and all.
Anyway. that was a good read, thank you very much Swiss neighbour ;)
Oh Saker, so disapointed that you didn´t mention Austria in your travels :D Come on, we are basically neighbours ;)
I know!! Been to Bavaria, been to northern Italy, but never been to Austria, this is a crying shame!! I worked with an Austrian colleague for a couple of years, and it was wonderful, and I have met Austrians all over Europe. I love your accent and the joyful lifestyle of your people (love the “Küss die Hand” attitude). For whatever bizarre reason I never made it to Austria, but I would love to. Given the chance, I definitely will.
That would be really nice, hell i would show you around :)
I do think we are more joyful then our nothern brothers and sisters, sadly, in these “we are all EU days”, in some places the “Küss die Hand” attitude is lost. But we are trying to keep our culture together as good as possible. Let´s hope the best.
I hope you get the chance one day!
Felt like I was reading the old blog. Enjoyed it very much. You’re at your best off the cuff.
Of course the only logical conclusion is uniting all ‘good’ people against the comprador elite, regardless of religion or ethnicity.
The problem is who represents the sedentarian masses against nomad globalists and their unconscious allies, many if not most being ‘ethnic.’ It seems those who are deeply grounded in old Europe will not awaken until it is too late, then immediately fall prey to zionist nazism.
It is difficult to create a unity that will properly oppose gangster elites. It can not be done within the system. Dugin’s Fourth Political Theory seems geared to this objective, by asking everyone to unite against liberalism, but then delivers us right back to the same controllable ‘unreality,’ where a tiny oligarch sponsered minority gets to manufacture a new ontology based on an atheist and materialist foundation.
Felt like I was reading the old blog. Enjoyed it very much. You’re at your best off the cuff.
Thanks for saying so. The issue of Europe, for which I was much misunderstood, really hits close to home and inspires rants much more than Syria or Palestine, at least in me.
We will not fail, this is our greatest test, they use our altrruism against us. It’s gonna be messy Mister Saker but we will win.
” I know, most will disagree and prove me wrong, I don’t care. MY Europe will always be a purely western one, for better or, sometimes, for worse]”
-Yeah, Europe is the land were Europeans native lives, stretching from Russia to Spain, from Italy to Sweden and a few islands. There is no considerable genetic difference between a French man and a Russian, and if you can tell a Russian from a englishman or a Swede from a Pole, then you are quite impressive. You could of course make lot of distinctions based on history or politics or economics or even appearance, such as southern Europeans are clearly darker then say Russians. Saying that these or those are the “true Europeans” but all these differences is pretty small, we are all Europeans, from Spain to Russia. Some are W.Europeans, some are E.Europeans, some are S.Europeans. But saying that say Russia or Poland is not European or Italy or Greece is not, just sounds and is demographically, culturally, geographically incorrect. Atleast that is how I feel. Of course I grew up in the dumb-down Hollywood american culture were all Europeans are reduced to “white”.
There is no considerable genetic difference between a French man and a Russian
So what?! This has nothing to do with genetics.
Merely listing all the reasons why we are all Europeans and not just some arbitrary group in the west. You can of course consider a few W.Europeans the only “Europe”, but I dont agree with that, and most probably wont either.
“Fact 1: Muslims are here to stay. You can hate it or love it, but that is a fact. ”
-I don’t agree with that, the first mass-expulsion in the western world will be tested by Trump. He claims he will expell 10 million illegal immigrants, if he does that he will have opened the door to mass-expulsions in the future in Europe, both morally and practically. People will say “America could do it, so can we.”
And the reason I believe that we will see a return of mass-expulsion, is that I have noticed that all parts that support mass-expulsion are the only parties which are hard-core anti-establishmest, really anti-bankers and anti-international elites, and all those nationalist/conservative parties that do not support mass-expulsion also have no answers to all other questions, if the people want change, they will have to vote for the radical parties, but with them comes mass-expulsions. And I can’t really see any alternativt to voting for the more radical parties as, as I said, the softer parties have no solutions, they are fake-parties riding the wave of anti-immigration but they wont be able to improve anything if they come to power. And thus the people will move on and vote more radical until they find one, and to my knowleage there is no political party in Europe that will both allow muslims to stay and solve all the other globalist related problems.
Following on with your logic in your reply to my earlier post, then maybe all the whites should be mass expelled from the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and every other country they have settled into.
But as with me, you are entitled to your views.
First mass expulsion will be… tested by Trump.
Haha. Thanks for the laugh.
Congratulations Liz. You are a bonafide sociopath.
I am against the establishment. You are their most trusty tool.
“the first mass-expulsion in the western world will be tested by Trump”
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that one the first mass expulsions in the western world occurred already under Hitler, that of the Jews. He originally wanted them only to leave, while appropriating their major possessions (the holocaust, the accurate size of which has still not been objectively determined, took place only later, during WWII).
the first mass-expulsion in the western world will be tested by Trump.
You also forget that most European emigrants have legal documents, many of them passports. You cannot discriminate between citizens and citizens. That kind of cheap demagoguery offers no solutions, only delusions.
Anyway is your problem with Muslims or with Non-Whites such as Arabs, Black Africans etc? Because those mass expulsions will have to be a little different depending on the answer.
The only way you get those mass expulsions now is world war 3. If that happens all bets are off. Otherwise, its way past the point of no return. at least from an expulsion perspective.
But luckily for Europe there is a simple and straight forward solution to the problem of immigrants. There is a way to have them all leave. And that is for Europe to leave all their countries alone. Pay reparations for the devastation it has wreaked in their countries and let them develop prosperous and stable countries, while living in a manner of their own choosing. If Europe does that the immigrants will go back home. Of their own free will. No expulsions necessary.
Have you considered why these immigrants don’t integrate into European society? Its because they don’t want to. European culture holds little attraction for them. Plus the Euros really want one way integration.
If these people can build their own societies free from the domination and exploitation of Europe they will do so.
“But luckily for Europe there is a simple and straight forward solution to the problem of immigrants. There is a way to have them all leave. And that is for Europe to leave all their countries alone. Pay reparations for the devastation it has wreaked in their countries and let them develop prosperous and stable countries, while living in a manner of their own choosing. If Europe does that the immigrants will go back home. Of their own free will. No expulsions necessary.”
Couldn’t agree more!
If the world hadn’t been raped by European thuggery, then those other areas of the world would’ve continued to develop according to their own civilizational models.
And in more recent times. Why did Algerians wind up in France? Because French imperialism. Their centuries long occupation and rape of Algeria. And so on, and so on.
Now back to the 21st Century. If Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, et al, hadn’t suffered at the hands of western organized terrorism, no fly zones, regime change, and humanitarian interventionism, then those people would now be back in their own countries getting on with their own lives without any thought of Europe.
And Europe could continue being Europe. Oh sorry, my mistake, for Europe is only Europe, rich and prosperous (same for the US) because they live off the backs of the rest of the world (as they have done for centuries). This is where their prosperity comes from. Long live the BRICS!
Veronica and NGoyo, just few statements and arguments :
-Sweden, norway and denmark had ridiculous or even no colonial empire and they are part of the richest countries in europe. Despite having no involvement in africa colonization they are also submitted to massive immigration
– Germany had a very small colonial empire compared to France however it’s easy to verify that german economy and industry were and are equivalent or superior
-The vast majority of european were workers, peasants ans they had no involvement in colonial activities. European poor workers during the industrial revolution had equal or even worst life conditions than settled
– In the 15-16e century, France was the richest country in Europe, despite having little presence abroad. The thousands of church, cathedrals and castles that million of tourists are visiting each years were built before the colonization
So, saying that europe is rich because of the colonies is simply false, many europeans countries were rich before thanks to the labour and the talent of their population. (open wikipedia and look for inventions made by european people during ages). It’s not colonies who invented the winery industry, the progress in agriculture during the middle age, the roman gothic architecture, the progress in medecine and surgery, etc..
Colonization was made by the european capitalists for their profit, but european people had little or no interest in it, french colonization in Algeria was costly for the french state because of the massive investments it has made to adapt the country to underground expoitation (massive infrastructure such as thousands of km of roads, ports, hospitals, etc (easy to verifiy on wikipedia) It was for the profit of french investors of course, but those equipment are now property of algerians.
The call for the massive immigration is made by the SAME capitalists than those who have exploited african people decades ago.
Trump can claim whatever he wants. Presidents of the USA are beholden to banks, corporations AIPAC, ect.once they are in that temporary seat.
Trump rattles (quite well I admit) the emotions of the dispossesed, the youth in debt, those that have lost their homes, those that are unemployed and cannot find work, the young that must live with mom and dad because their educational debt is in the six figures and there are no good/ fair paying jobs.
However, he as most North American presidents will have to pipe down and do as he is told by the NeoCons aka Crazies in the Basement. He already postrated, the other day, his weathy old bony knees on the Altar of the Zionist Israel First AIPAC.
If you think Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Hillary will do anything for their countrymen you are a dreamer or a very naive person.
The mass expulsions will never materialise because the 1% elite uses those “illegal” bodies for cheap labor, bodies to take space in prisons, the more prisoners , the more money the 1% get, cheap gardeners, cheap nannies, etc etc
Btw…I claim I look like Brigitte Bardot at 25!
Carmel by the Sea
I don’t know about Trump – whether he’s serious about expelling 11 million people, or not.
What I do know is that here in France, the main anti-establishment (that is anti-EU & anti-NATO) party does not favor any kind of mass expulsion. Too quick immigration does create problems, but assimilation is the solution to these problems, not expulsion of citizens on religious or skin color criteria.
And assimilation is something historically France has done quite well, it has been a mass immigration country from mid-19th century onwards, as a result most French have some foreign origin – a grandparent here, a great-grandparent or a parent there – which does not prevent them to be… well, French :-) Overall, had it not been for immigration mid-19th century onwards, French population would be about 30% smaller now.
Present immigration problems in France are borne from four main realities:
– Rythm of immigration is too high, quicker now than it was “on average” during the last 1,5 century
– Mass unemployment during the last 40 years, particularly serious among the lest qualified jobs which immigrants with lower education would aim at
– Larger cultural distance with different family mores in Arab or to a lesser extent Black African than among European families
– Depreciation of nation for the benefit of “Europe” – in reality the EU. Late French president François Mitterrand used to say “France is my country, Europe is my future” – a quite clear way of stating “France has no future”. Well, assimilating into a community whose president states it has “no future”… is not so thrilling
Which is why the FN headed by Marine Le Pen wants enough protectionism so as to solve mass unemployment, liberation of France from the EU and affirmation of her freedom and future, and closing of the immigation window until the present issues are solved – including the cultural distance and family mores differences, which will reduce with time, but only slowly.
Chinese deem “barbarians” – which is simply Greek for “foreigners” – to be raw, while Chinese are cooked. Sinisation, the transformation of a foreigner into a Chinese, is therefore akin to cooking. Following on this image, it is clear that a quite large part of most recent immigrants to France are only “half-cooked”. The solution in this case is to improve the process, and let the chef enter the kitchen rather than some unskilled and not even serious amateur. Not to throw the meal in the middle of its preparation, and oust French citizens from their country!
Regarding differences between Marine Le Pen and her father, it is true that she has no problem with Jews nor with Israel, while her father was less clear on this topic. Some would deem it an issue, because they have problems either with Jews, or with Israel. To me, it’s not an issue at all.
Grossly oversimplified, the bailouts/low interest rates/financial coup d’etat shifted enormous amounts of retirements savings out of the existing legal structures, including pension funds, into private hands. After this, how would the existing leadership stay in control? Why would people continue to pay taxes to a government they saw as a criminal enterprise – one that had cooperated in the theft of their savings? Polls show that the approval of existing governments in Europe and the US is falling. However, add immigration and terrorism, and the polls reverse. The people feel the need for their government and often say their government is doing a good job on dealing with these things.
Its a trick – but it has worked so far.
Thank you for your comment Liz as it highlights the only question I can pose about this “rant”. In a great analysis from the bottom of his heart, the Saker has described what people in Western Europe feel and understand under the term “Europe” . This does still leave the question open of who, in terms of European history and culture, all the people from Eastern and South-Eastern Europe are?
Which “people” in Europe think their governments are doing a “good job” dealing with those problems. And if true,are there enough mental homes in those countries to hold all those people.
“Why would people continue to pay taxes to a government they saw as a criminal enterprise – one that had cooperated in the theft of their savings?”
Because other way the government can fall over them with all the weight of the law, commandeer whatever is their property and even put them to jail?
We have to consider also that most of the people do not have any known/ friend who is president or has been, nor anything remotely like, to help them.
Perhaps you might ask yourself the same question, Catherine, because I guess you remain paying taxes to your government which, by the way, is criminal enough.
Or it is that your question was only for the European people?
Catherine you should run for senate
i hope the saker would find time to really put his mind to your thoughtful remark and maybe then a huge dollop of peevishness he untypically serves would be retracted
“No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable.”
Not from Poland, nor, Bulgaria. And, to be fair to Bulgaria, the Balkans got their share of turmoil thanks to our Ottoman friends only to be thrown into WW1, WW2, Cold War right after with no respire to actually re-develop. So in that sense they are still as much post-Ottoman as are European.
But that statement of yours, as a whole, is arrogant, and most importantly, wrong and not commesurate with reality. Once you consider Spain “Europe” – which was fully occupied by Arabs for centuries – yet claim areas like Austria, Bohemia, Hungary, or Poland – the birthplace of Prussia and modern Germany in effect – are “non-Europe” you simply lost the plot. No going around that.
It is sad to see the same arrogance you point in the article is becoming the core of European demisse was so successfully embedded in you. A person of all I would expect to see through the sub-concious propaganda of the Nazis and the post-war West. It is trully scary the level of soffistication the brainwashing has reached that even those who claim to challenge it actually have their core beliefs build on it.
If those are the beliefs for the 1% better informed, maybe europe really is lost. Living in EU, this is the really, really scary part. Much more than the content of the article before.
From a country who fought the turks for several centuries. On its land. Never gave up and never was conquered, now from so-called “non-Europe”. World is really getting put in its head. Orwell was all too right.
Fully in line with his remarks regarding the Soviets.
Is he suddenly celebrating Anti-Soviets like Bandera and similar streams in Bessarabia and the Baltics?
This rant looks very brilliant at first.
Written in very good English etc.
But hidden in it are severe flaws and simply untruths.
E.g. his claims about Hitler.
No word about Versailles and Hyperinflation. No word about the Communists and Ernst Thaelmann.
Err, I don’t have the time to debunk his rant.
It would require several pages.
Funny, he is a Russian who hates the Soviets and loves the darn West more than the East.
he is a Russian who hates the Soviets and loves the darn West more than the East.
Nonsense. I simply don’t believe that the East is part of Europe. Nor is Russia, by the way, and neither am I. I don’t have to be a European myself to know what real Europe is. I don’t hate the East at all, I just don’t consider it – or myself – as European.
Martin – I recommend that you stop trying to squeeze me into your narrow horizon. Just accept that there are different horizons out there :-P
@ The Saker:
> I don’t have to be a European myself to know what real Europe is.
Sorry, reminds me too much of “what is real Germany” (or: who are “blue-eyed real ethnic Germans”).
This entire theme is silly to be picked out like that.
Reminder: Europe had once been a continent, as part of Eurasia.
Everything all the way to the Ural is “real Europe”.
It became what it now is or what it was at the time you rightfully prefer compared to now (1970ties) over centuries and millennia as the result of fruitful creative East-Western _interaction_. Had there not been Eastern Europe, your darn western Europe could and would have never been created like it was. It would have lacked essential core European’nessentials …
What you rather mean is probably latin/romanic or maybe german or a mix of the two.
Also I wonder why you think countries like Portugal are more European, than say Chechia/Bohemia. The first German University, where was it located? In Praha, Prague! Which according to your logic is not part of Europe.
You didn’t mention Austro-Hungary, not part of Europe?
What permits you to call me narrow-minded, only because I don’t share your hate against the Soviets and maybe only because my English writing skills are not like yours and because I dislike non-technical literature and cannot quote 5 made up phantasy books per line?
The fact that you grew up in a western environment does in fact explain a lot about your unhappiness with Communism. Because they raised you with known unknowns which may not even haven been true truths (I assure you!). It’s not your fault. I’m just telling you: To me it expplains a lot, now after I got the confirmation from yourself that you indeed grew up in Suisse/Switzerland.
I did not say that your rant is completely untrue. In fact it was very relieving to read most parts of it from you.
It sure also contained some facts I didn’t know before or at least never saw them summarized like that.
But what I focussed on where the 5% to 10% which need to be corrected.
If you really want it, I take half a day to write a full response with detailed step by step debunking backed up by external links.
What about the other points I hinted you at, like Hitler’s rise and the dictate of Versailles (unlike what you claimed in a convenient one-liner about “Germans having elected him”)?
What about true election results before 1933 (who knows if they have not been rigged thereafter?). What about KPD (Communist party of Germany) and Ernst Thaelmann?
You prefer not to respond to these raised points but rather call me narrow-horizon’ed?????
Your response was as arrogant as your rant, don’t hate me for it, but I expected more from you.
Saker – I recommend that you stop trying to squeeze me into your narrow horizon. Just accept that there are different horizons out there :-P
Martin from Soviet East-Berlin (which is still the _current_ situation under international law)
“No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable.”
Not from Poland, nor, Bulgaria.
Yes, I know. But they themselves are deluding themselves if they think that they are part of Europe. Heck – there are even Russians who think that Russia is “European”. So what? I don’t have to agree with that. They can say whatever they want and I can say what I want, and my, strictly personal, opinion is that a European Bulgarian is a ridiculous concepts. Nothing wrong with Bulgaria, by the way. I don’t find Europe “better” than others in any way, shape or form. In fact, I am much more comfortable with my own, non-European, “Euroasiatic” Russian culture. I generally am much more at home with Asians anyway, so in my mind “European” is not a sign of superiority at all, but simply an objective quality which does not extend to central/eastern Europe. Others are quite welcome to disagree, of course :-)
I have agreed with you on just about everything in the past. After reading this I agree with most of your
The Europe, that I am most familiar with is Eastern Europe although I have been to 77 countries
and I also speak several languages.
Hungarians, were reading and writing 1,700 yrs ago Hungarian is an Ancient language with 43 letters
in their alphabet. They invented the first Toilet, the first underground street cars, the under wear and the long pants.Numerous medicines, added to the atomic table. Invented the jet engine which was stolen from them by the Germans. The fist university was in 1320 The renaissance was also copied
from Hungarians. If you go to Budapest it has more Renascence architecture that Italy and other cites as well. The 4th largest Navy in the world. England, France wanted to destroy Hungary which
they did and Hungary lost 75% of it’s territory. There is a lot of culture there despite of 50 yrs
of Communist destruction,not to mention US bombing the third largest City after the WW II was over.
If it wasn’t for the brave Hungarians you would be a Sunni Muslim.
Ok so, first of i love Hungary, i live near the border to it and like the people and the country. But this post is wrong in many ways.
“They invented the first Toilet, the first underground street cars, the under wear and the long pants.”
If you are refering to the first toilet, i assume you mean flush toilets, which would mean no, they didn´t. They were already used in Indus Valley Civilizations, also Knossos, Minoa and by the Roman Empire. Hungary didn´t “invent” them nor the sewage system either. That goes back 2 thousand years BC.
Also underwear and underpants? Really now? Do you really belive that? *rolleyes* My god, read up on loincloths. I don´t know what you mean with underground street cars.
“added to the atomic table. Invented the jet engine” A lot of countries added to the atomic table.
The history of the get engine is a little bit more complex than you think. Also, i assume you are refering to the work of Albert Fono from Hungary? Because HE applied for a German patent, after being rejected by the Austrp-Hungarian army (we can be dense sometimes)…which was awarded in 1932. So much for the “stolen”.
You are right with England and France. Oh well, they also wanted, and did crush the Habsburg Empire, sadly. But historically speaking, that´s nothing new, meaning the big houses have always wagged war against each other :/
“The fist university was in 1320” and the university of Oxford existed in 1096, so whats your point? Also the date is wrong. The first university of Hungary was the University of Pécs and was established in 1367.
Yeah the US bombings…i will not go on a rant now about digusting US crimes in WW2. But you are right there.
“If it wasn’t for the brave Hungarians you would be a Sunni Muslim.”
i guess you are refering to the Ottoman invasions? Which was pretty successful, they steamrolled Hungary and depopulated big chunks of the country, all in the name of Islam. What? That´s history and that´s why i don´t agree with Islam being a religion of peace. Anyway. I don´t doubt the bravery of the Hungarians, why should i, but the two big invasions failed at the gates of Vienna and not Budapest. Which was seen as the gate to West-Europe by the Ottomans. These two defeats by the christian allies, especially after the Battle for Vienna, were the end of the big expansion. Which set the stage for reconquering Hungary from the Ottomans.
If it wasn’t for the brave Hungarians you would be a Sunni Muslim.
LOL! I don’t think that Hungary had anything to do with Russians not being Muslims :-)
Here is a link to Birinyi, Treaty of Trianon.
Go down to the “Hungary Before the War and read up on some history.”
Hungary actually was a bulwark that kept the Eastern Hoard’s out, and allowed the West to develop. The Chinese built a wall to keep the hoards out. In this central asia region was a lot of ferment.
Going back further in time, the Neanderthals came down out of the mountains after the last ice age. They then interbred with Cro Magnon’s arriving in the area. Today’s lineal descendants of this marriage are primarily those who speak Semitic languages.
Wandering people and those in entrepot cities were often outcasts, as the was the “shunning” practice back then. Heavy incidence of psychopathic individuals likely in-bred. Later population bottlenecks and their in-group theology refined this evolutionary host adaptation.
Hungarians, while ostensibly partially neanderthalic Ostragoths and Visigoths, wanted nothing to do with the extremely predatory Hun’s to the east. Hence the term Hun in Hungary is an oxymoron. The original hungarians fled from the eastern hoards.
I suggest you also read anthropologist Bradley, to get an idea of European racial pre-history. Then overlay the movement of these peoples onto their gene sequences.
Since Islam is a Semitic religion, then Yes, the Hungarians kept the Semites out then and now.
Here is a map of hapologroups of Europe:
I’m not as sanguine as the Saker about peoples. If a people group are in the grip of a supremacist religion, then this wet ware controls their output.
Then the next question becomes, did the brain construction of a racial group create the religion to match their inherent biases? We know for sure that the Neanderthals were misogynists against women.
Keeping unlike peoples apart brings LESS SOCIAL FRICTION. It is a well known divide and conquer strategy to have unlike peoples together. The English moved Scottish reevers to Ulster, to create the Ulster Scotts for this very purpose. Stalin moved tribes around for the same reason.
Gee I am not allowed to disagree on such limited way?
So be IT
As I see from your above post ,you were allowed to disagree. But come on now,you surely must see that there are a huge number of errors in your post. The Romans had toilets long before the Hungarians even left Asia. And the Budapest underground system is the third oldest in Europe (first electric one),and was built by a German company hired to design and build it.Hungary did have one of Europe’s first Universities but there are several older. And it was the other way around for the Renascence. When Matthias Hunyadi married an Italian Princess,she brought artists with her. Which started the Renascence in Hungary. Which was very limited. And mostly destroyed during the Turkish wars.I won’t even dignify your statement that Hungary has more Renascence architecture than Italy. I’ll assume your were joking with that.You are partly right on one thing though. If it wasn’t for Hungary,”and” Poland,Russia,Serbia,Croatia,Slovenia,Austria,Spain,Portugal,and Italy. The Turks would have overrun Europe.Oh,and as for long pants. That was an Indo-European “invention” from centuries,and centuries,ago. It is thought to have come because they were “horsemen” and it was easier on the skin to have something like “pants”. As well as warmer in the winters of their colder climates. While its praiseworthy to be proud of your country and its people. And Hungary is a great country to be proud of. But don’t let patriotism blind you to the truth. Hungary doesn’t deserve to be ridiculed for bragging and claiming things that aren’t their’s.
Thank you for your impassioned words, Saker. I believe you have put the point across very well and without bias – the old Europe has been destroyed by the Empire. I daresay that many older Europeans realise this has happened but I wonder if the younger generations realise that their culture and very race is deemed ready for the pages of history. Diversity is our nature as a species but this so-called ‘multi-culturalism’ is a facade for the homogenisation of human cultures, not least the operation that has been conducted on European countries and cultures. It is disgusting and ghastly behaviour by the world ruling elite to destroy the beauty of diverse cultures in this way. It is just as disgusting as their colonial wars of the last half a millenia. I think that already the process has gone too far to change – unless something drastic happens soon. And that can only happen if the Empire goes down soon – but that is highly unlikely.
Greetings to you – with only one tiny humble memory snapshot from Europe from those bygone times… Oh, had I only taken an actual photo… From the early 1960s, my university years, at the Belgrade railway station, where I would occasionally venture, my habit since childhood, to watch trains, steam locomotives… A beautiful day. The imposing long famous Orient Express paused at the grand siding, in transit from Istanbul, destination West Germany. A number of cars labelled “III class” (I believe it still existed then?), the windows densely packed with “bouquets” of colorful peasant dresses that clothed some the most primitive faces you could possibly unearth in Euro-Asia, curiously looking around… Turkish migrants, going en mass to West Germany, to “temporarily” perform the most basic menial labour that Germans themselves wouldn’t touch but desperately needed … street sweeping, toilet cleaning, digging ditches, etc., etc. ………
Now fast forward to XXI century Germany…
Imagine a map of today’s Europe with the borders of NATO/Euro states in say blue. Now imagine the same map with the outlines of Finland, Sweden, Germany and Austria in say white. Ad Switzerland and Denmark to this white “axis”.The white states I envision as ‘Neutral’, block free or forming a block of neutral states. I am fully aware of the feelings of the Poles and the citizens of the Baltic states of such a political configuration. But it is a future possibility nevertheless.
Everytime i look at a map of Europe with Nato countries i get a funny feeling in my stomach, we (Austria) are just surrounded by them -.- And now they are pushing more and more countries into this disgusting organization. Can´t wait for the day when they try it here too.
Actually, Wolfgang Schüssel had plans to put Austria into NATO but luckily the FPÖ/ÖVP coalition imploded before that could happen.
Rant indeed. What goes around comes around. Or, you reap what you sow. Et cetera. The circle is closing.
Suggest some reading regarding “Europe”: Anaximander, Hecataeus, Herodotus, Homeric Hymns, Posidonius, Strabo, and after Carolingian Renaissance- Alcuin, von Strahlenberg e.g.
In Turkic/Persian languages it is Frangistan, Asians call it Oshu/ Oshu Rengo.
The Saker’s “rant” is actually the type of speech I wish some European politicians with balls would utter – in public, in parliament or both. But as we know, it is not happening (at least at the moment).
The point about the cultural and value differences between Eastern and European countries is not only true, bur rarely expressed. Though, after Fascism, Italy, on the whole, went along pretty well with Yugoslavia.
All hell broke loose after the criminal 1998 ‘war’. I am talking about Italy for I follow more closely the news there. It seems that the criminal KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) has crossed the Adriatic en masse.
In Italy, there is a collective feel of resignation, mixing masochism with indifference.
With immigrants making up 10% of the population, they count for 60% of people in jail. It is no longer prudent or advisable to live in a detached home. Criminals prey on detached homes, for it easier to gain entry with less probability to be heard by neighbors. Though criminal gangs also climb into apartments using gutters as a guide and prop. It is painful visiting Italy and seeing windows ‘protected’ by a lattice of medieval-style, iron grates. The elderly are of course victims of choice, but the criminals are not choosy.
A complicating factor is the Vatican, which preaches the indiscriminate acceptance of biblical immigration.
In this personal sub-rant, I will add yet another peripheral, yet bewildering development. Criminals caught after a robbery or an assault, or a bank heist, are NOT referred to as ‘the criminal was caught… etc.’ but as ‘the boy’ or ‘the boys’ were arrested… etc.’ And in a recent apparently unwritten policy change, newspapers no longer refer to the nationality or origin of the criminal, unless he is Italian.
When I visit Italy and have to cross city-areas where migrants concentrate, especially from the Maghreb and West Africa, I can see their hatred if I look them in the eyes.
There is a lot of pent-up resentment, envy mostly, inflated by a macro-stupid mass media, still pretending to show that everyone is enjoying the “good” life. Which is the contrary of reality. The economic migrants’ resentment is due to the expectation that the country where they landed “owes” them what may make them join the herd of the “good lifers.” Hence each native is essentially an enemy.
A generalization of course, but I got almost identical feedback from friends, with whom I had not yet shared my experiences.
Finally, my personal and last ‘subrant’. “Give me ten thousand eyes and I will fill them with prophetic tears.” – says Shakespeare’s Cassandra. If I had not read at least sections of Couveneuve-Kalergi’s “Prakticher Idealismus.” I could easily convince myself that I am a ‘conspiracy theorist.’ (Kalergi was the founder of the EU and, incidentally, the one who chose the Beethoven anthem.)
In his plan he writes, “The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.” (under Zionist leadership mixed with European nobility). I shorten but that’s the essence of the Kalergi’s.
Before being accused of anti-semitism, I would like to refer the virtual friends of the Saker community to this article by James Petras, http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2050 “The Doctrine of ‘Superior People’: The Bond between Israel and World Zionism”
Be it as it may, the European press, as we know, is completely silent about Palestine, and any reference to the evil of Israel, or to Israel’s design on the Middle East sends haywire the leader of the (equivalent) Jewish-Italian Anti-defamation league. While in the US, as we all can see, there is a fierce contest among the presidential candidates as to who is the greatest friend and protector of Israel.
The atrocious injustice of the whole Middle-East NATO CIA ISRAEL crimes is felt skin-deep especially in France. Which explains perhaps the persecutory stance of the current Zionist controlled government against any related criticism. And which gives a glimmer of hope, as the Saker mentions, that France may give birth to some kind of renewal or revolt against the whole EU nonsense.
“It seems that the criminal KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) has crossed the Adriatic en masse.
In Italy, there is a collective feel of resignation, mixing masochism with indifference.
With immigrants making up 10% of the population, they count for 60% of people in jail.”
Most of those aren’t KLA – just simply ethnic Albanians. You should have listened to the Serbs, and realized the lies the mainstream western media was pushing about them and the wars (all set up).
The Serbs have been plagued by them for hundreds of years, and they were always supported and used against Serbs by outside powers. Even Italy has a history of supporting Albanian and other terrorists against Serbs.
I don’t see anything ever changing in France, except for the worse.
For better or worse France has a long history of immigration and thus a very diverse population. Because of that, the people in power will always be able to rely on the good old “divide & conquer” strategy.
Also, we’re very well brainwashed here, people think EU is the best thing that ever happened to us and that united we can beat the Iran-Russia-China axis of evil (lead by the nefarious Putin!).
About Algerians being “arrogant, loud, uneducated and very aggressive”. Well some of them are, other not at all, it generally depends on their socio-professionnal status, but honestly that’s more a mediterranean thing. People from Spain, Portugal, Italy or Corsica are usually just the same. Their skin is whiter though.
About Algerians being “arrogant, loud, uneducated and very aggressive”.
I never said that.
I spoke of 2ND GENERATION youth who where NEITHER Algerian NOR French.
Why twist what I wrote?!
Being French too, I disagree. Not on the part of your comment about something The Saker didn’t write : yes, obviously, the behaviour of French from African origin (or others) depends mostly on their status in our society. As it is for everybody. I think we all agree about that.
But I think EU is becoming more and more unpopular in France. It was already the case in the lower class, but this feeling is growing very fast in our middle class and even the upper middle class. The Greek episode this summer has opened many eyes.
I think also that Saker is mistaken about the “real” left being unable to be a threat to the current political power. The right is obviously not. Most of the protests we see growing more and more this spring are from left people absolutely disgusted by the reagano-thatcherist politic coming from a so-called “socialist” government. And in US, who would have bet a cent on Sanders a few weeks ago? And you are coming from far away compared to us on this matter…
Don’t look on the side of the Parti Communiste which is about to definitely lose its last faithful militants (I know personally some of them) precisely because it has become a strong supporter of this broken European Union, and also not a very committed opponent against this president and this government, the least popular of the 5th République’s history. We have some potential Sanders on the left side, whom have nothing to do with the Parti. Mélenchon is the most famous, and is far to be politically dead. There is others…
Well, we never know, but I smell powder in France this spring… It seems as if a spark could blow up the whole mess.
Sorry for my broken English.
I am from Spain. The idea that Eastern Europe is not Europe is totally preposterous.
The Arabs occupied more than half of Spain for about 3 centuries, and the region of Granada for more than 7 centuries. Outside those times, I do agree Spain was always part of Europe and its culture, but for you to imply that places like Hungary, Poland, Czechia etc are not part of Europe or its culture just because of the way things were set up after WW2, is just not to be taken seriously at all. It is just crazy. And Russia east of the Urals is in many respects also part of European culture as well, although I conced that is more debatable.
I am from Spain. The idea that Eastern Europe is not Europe is totally preposterous..
Right. Now spend more time with Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs or Russians and you will realize that having a White skin does not make you a European.
Er, Edinburgh is full of Poles (and Spaniards). We like it that they are here. And they’re as European as the rest of us. Wherein do you think they’re not? (Genuine question.)
Brother, you touch upon something sacred here :-) I say, if Poles and Spaniards (and Portuguese, and the Sikhs etc. etc.) have the balls to endure the Scottish climate and be here to work and pay taxes – all the power to them. Once you have a few Scottish winters under your belt and STILL want to stay (yer numpty) – you are then basically kin and are welcome to a half of my scrunchy supper anytime. Glasgow is a living testament to this mentality.
Some 15 years ago, Pakistani citizens of UK protested against ” nonEuropean ” Polish workers in UK. You reminded me of them.
Interesting question: how many generations before one is allowed an opinion (whatever you happen to think about the opinion) on immigration into one’s country?
I do not know what should be the answer. In Canada both citizens and newcomers have that right, but we have always been country of immigrants and this is an ongoing process. You would not witness here such a ridiculous protest.
No, the protest was perfectly legitimate, although in my opinion wrong. What was ridiculous was the way the protest was phrased, as you report it. If your report is accurate, then goodness knows what they were thinking. Nevertheless, it is natural for those already here to fear direct competition from newcomers. The fear is the same for what our media call “working class white voters” and for the “Pakistani community”.
I witnessed it myself.
As I say, then, the manner of their protest may be daft, but their reason for protesting still perfectly understandable.
So, are in your opinion Pakistanis in UK Europeans and Polish not?
Don’t be silly.
Spend more time with Americans – whatever the country they emigrated from to become american immigrants – and you come to know that they really know nothing about Europe.
You don’t understand. Europe has vaunted itself as a humanitarian society. Remember killing Gaddafi to save the Libyans? Killing Saddam to save the Iraqis? You all loved it, Europeans. You made lots of speeches and flew lots of sorties and spent lots of taxpayers money. You wanted to help the poor brown people. Well, here they come, now your generosity can really be applied. Good luck to you.
We ALL loved it? I did not and I did not believe the speeches. In my compilation “Fogh you” (an analysis of the german-steered pan-western mass murder of the Polish president and 95 other Polish dignitaries in Smolensk as a festive cannibal meal at the occasion of Angela “Merkel”/Hitler’s 10th jubilee in office als führer of The Party on 2010-4-10, which nobody took notice of) I collected other examples of such unanimous bloody gang bangs of unwanted countries and regimes – past and present at the time of writing, e.g. (now translated and shortened):
2011-1-1 Persecution of Christians? Crusade!
At the data fetishist date of 11-1-1 someone staged a bomb explosion in a koptish church in Egypt as continuation of a similar action on Chistmas eve in Iraq. The RatSSinger mafia explains this to us: the most endangered species on Earth are the christians! The 11-1-1 gave us the Jagdschein (hunting permit) to strike back against this enemy with all we have: the basis for a Just War. Unjust wars are bad and forbidden, bus just wars are good and must be waged – nobody is allowed to balk at it.
2011-2/3/4 The madmen go nuts
Medvedev calls Gaddhafi a “fossil”, that means “too old”, and that means “must be discarded”. Yes – fits exactly, only the other way round: the commander of lackeys like Medvedev, Frau Hunover, the führeress of England, is definitely too old, she must disappear. But the problem are not fossils, but reptiles like the Hunover clan. They serve other ogres which (according to the “Protocols…” ‘will get very angry when they don’t get their blood booze every now and then’. When you don’t serve them
a Gaddhafi every now and then then they themselves might be the next to appear on the menu. It is unnerving that Cameron is repeating like an iidiot that Gaddhafi is shooting “his OWN people” – since Cameron is a pathological liar the exact opposite must be true: he is defending his country against foreign aggressors. Yes, Lazanski (Politika Beograd) is right: the fighting began with infiltration by a french-english armed mob, just as in Suez 1956… But how was it possible that the Chinese at the UNO gave the nazis a Jagdschein für a cannibalistic man hunt in Northern Africa?
2011-3-19 UNO as mafia for inciting murder
On 11-3-17 Gaddhafi said publicly that SSarkoSSy is corrupt since he took election campaign money from him, Gaddhafi. Such exposures are dangerous for one of the two – Röhm, who divulged that Hitler was an english shpitzel had to die for that, and Gaddhafi, too. (3 years later the french justice begins investigating SSarkoSSy for corruption, but logically not for mass murder). The 3-18 is a good day for murdering a creditor, in 1314 Jacques de Molay was burnt because the french king owed him money. Thus, Russia and China together with all the other UNO murderers on 11-3-18 (NYC)/11-3-19 (PAR) grant the nazi from a Waffen-SS family, SSarkoSSy, the license to kill his creditor.
2011-4-2 Libya conference in London
A ku-klux-clan court like that in August 1992 in London which endorsed the destruction of Yugoslavia, 40 countries take part. What a “coincidence” that two days later the french/german “culture” TV station ARTE has a “discussion” whose main ingredient is a propagandafilm by Qatar pro Qatar. Qatar participates in the murder of Libya with an own bomber plane – what “must be” introduced by qatari and other bombs in Libya, “democracy”, is strictly forbidden in Qatar. But Qatar finances the BBC and… and… It becomes obvious that the whole countdown – like that of the mass murder of the 96 Poles in Smolensk – had been meticulously planned long in advance, and again at a fetish date – 25 years after the last military aggression against Libya in 1986…
Nobody of the Good Ones gave a damn about the murder of Kaczynski
or that of Gaddhafi – whether pollacke or kameltreiber, they do not count, because the herrenmenschens have decreed and tell us openly that they are “not like us”.
Thank you for all the information, very deep, very complex. Just one comment if I may: I visited Paris in the early 70s and lived at Hotel Raspail on Boulevard Raspail. The inn keeper (hotelier) hired me to do odd jobs and paid me by letting me stay in a small room upstairs. On 2 occasions, he let and his wife went out in the evening and left me in charge of this very small hotel. He told me that if an Arab or black came to the hotel, I was to tell them that there were no rooms free. I resolved not to let ANYONE have a room. Fortunately, no one came during these two nights.
I also saw a French driver get out of his car and curse and threaten an Algerian guest worker pushing a cart. The Algerian had done nothing to him, was not even close to his car. I concluded that the French were really racist. I had spent a year in Germany and saw the Arab students treated with respect.
For a “rant which is not an analysis” this actually makes a lot more analytical sense than the “analysis” it follows up on. I’m not in total agreement on all points, but I see a lot of sound substance here.
“Wahhabism on the other hand, will have to be completely and totally eliminated from Europe. This is a mortal threat to all of civilized mankind, a threat which cannot be negotiated with and which must be totally eliminated.”
How do we separate the Wahabis from real Muslims? Especially when significant percentages of Muslims want to live under Sharia law, or agree that violence is an appropriate response to the insult of Islam?
(The numbers in the link above are for the UK but they are similar around Europe)
How do we separate the Wahabis from real Muslims?
We don’t. We let the real Muslims take care of the Wahabi/Takfiri rot.
How do we separate the Wahabis from real Muslims?
Perhaps look up the second Chechen war.
Same appears to be starting to happen in Syria.
1. Its the CIA thats a threat to all humanity. Wahabism is nothing without the CIA. Thats where you have to root it out. Without the USA there would probably be no Saudi in Arabia today.
2. Muslims want to live under Sharia law? Note that this was not the case 30 years ago. What happened in between? Check with the CIA. But if they do, butt out of their countries and let them!
3. Many Americans think violence is an appropriate response to an insult period. Or to insulting a cop, or heckling Donald Trump, or just knocking on their door for help at night.
Tiny Iceland, which has a still rather cohesive form of European culture, has shown abnormal spunk in defending its sovereignty and culture. Being a chilly island, with the Atlantic ocean as wall, helps.
Scandinavia, except for Denmark, was passed over in your rant. Sweden and Norway and Finland were all relatively successful small-population European countries and societies. They are now moving into a time of increasing turmoil and dysfunction. In recent years Scandinavia has seen the combination of an influx of large numbers of people of different cultural backgrounds, the decline of nationalistic emphasis, the perils and confusions of rapid technological and cultural changes – from junk food to junk entertainment – and the encroachment of ‘public perception management’ media in concentrated hands, with its debilitating impact on public discourse.
The beguiling political dogma of ‘our common future’ made naive too-open doors the default idealistic/nice position.
Scandinavia as a roughly social democratic tending experiment had serious weaknesses embedded within their past success, but these weaknesses were camouflaged by success. One important weakness was to become too closely aligned with and entangled with mad max United States, and its agendas and subterfuges. Another was to undervalue the role of vigorous forthright disputative political discourse in favour of the soothing on the surface but pernicious in the end ‘let’s all talk nice platitudes’. Thus hard issues were avoided and festered and matastisized.
One point that European countries have not in the past few decades not fully faced up to is that when new arrivals come in large numbers they tend to create cultural ghettos. Ghettos often resist or at best complicate assimilation, and exacerbate social divisions. This is reality 101.
What has occurred across the board, in all European countries with the possible exception of Iceland, is the weakening of the rationale for and the desire to struggle for national sovereignty and independence. This has played into the hands of transnational moneyed interests, and predatory international mentalities. Thus the TPP – not a partner ship – but the sinking of any semblance of democratic control in European countries.
But there will come a political turning of the tide in Europe, of which perhaps Trump in the USA is a harbinger of. It is one thing when all are sunning on the deck on a placid day while sailing blissfully, and it’s quite another when the gale roars and the ship hits rocks and lurches and leaks.
You’re spot on re: the virtues and failures of Scandanavia, which has always seemed its own unique entity, Sweden Denmark Norway Iceland being more similar to each other than any of the neighbors across the Nordsee. There are unique traditions there that take some time and perhaps personal introduction to appreciate, they still dance around maypoles on 21 June. Culturally there is a collective work/play ethic and a curious cohesion and traditions of the sauna as a social place, and linguistically their days of the week go way back to old Norse and Nordic religion. So a completely different culture, one that should have formed cooperative zones of their own; Sweden voted not to join the Eurozone, so the PTB gave them another vote, you aren’t allowed to vote no. I never would have believed most Nordics had been completely brainwashed and suborned by NATO, but I was just shutting my eyes and seeing what I wanted to see; such naivete was dashed after 2014. There was Russiaphobia and USA-philia that I thought was no big deal. Wrong.
This is and geographic location were the primary factors that saved them . Otherwise they would have had a Color Revolution.
Saker – Amazing:
In War and Peace, Tolstoi said exactly the same thing. (There were several German officers portrayed in the novel, all in a sympathetic way.)
At this point of time, with this really interesting topic and the return of The Saker, I could not less but recomend an imprescindible film on French colonialism in Algerie and the liberation movement there.
“The Battle of Algiers” by Gillo Pontecorvo
Click on gear for English subtitles.
Agreed. This is an amazing movie. It was even used in Fort Benning to teach counter-insurgency techniques to American servicemen.
Old style imperialism/empire was something that could be seen and fought. Modern day empire is more like an insidious cancer that cannot be cut out. Something like an octopus, but rather than the tentacles wrapping around a country, they move into and become part of the vital organs of a country.
Despite the so much the opressors could study counter-insurgency, sooner or later, the peoples will liberate themselves.
Pour la liberté des peuples!
“Abdel Kader” – Rachid Taha, Khaled, Faudel .LYRIC + TRANSLATE
Does the “average” European know about this “project” and who the originators of it are? Do those in leadership positions have a better feel for this? Are there true leaders-in-waiting that understand the situation and are capable of seizing the moment when it arrives and then dashing this A-Z project?
On another note, Veronica is right on point. The destruction by Europeans of whole societies in what is “not-Europe,” continues to this very day. The Europeans had a “project” of their own for the entire non-European world; now, their victims are being used by a portion of their own society as a weapon against them.
I appreciate that you understand this “weaponization” of human misery and how it is being turned against the world’s first “globalizers.”
Does the “average” European know about this “project” and who the originators of it are? Do those in leadership positions have a better feel for this? Are there true leaders-in-waiting that understand the situation and are capable of seizing the moment when it arrives and then dashing this A-Z project?
If there are, I don’t know about them. But I am also confident that history does generate such figures. I simply don’t believe that all of Europe is dead, I refuse to believe that. Yes, right now it is suffering terribly, but Europe is no more dead than Russia was under the Soviet rule. Also, while there is definitely a “trash-generation” of iPhones and MTV in Europe, some have not lost their cultural roots. Sooner or later there will be a (much needed) reaction to the current horrors. Just as I believe that one day the AngloZionist Empire will fall and the USA will become, finally, a “normal” country, to the immense benefit of all the people of the USA.
Tough questions. I will try.
Does the “average” European know about this “project” and who the originators of it are?
No. The “average” European, whatever this ficticious numerical being might represent, has been stripped of his identity. The process in “not-Europe” was first honed in in-Europe.
The average ‘Westerner’ thinks what he is told, in a manner not much different from Orwell’s 1984.
I can’t speak for European “civilization” but I can say something about the settler-corporation of Canada. Whenever you see conflict between indigenous and immigrant peoples, or anyone at all, always you will find the hand of satan’s little helpers, first sewing, then exploiting the divisions they create.
Do you mean to amend this process or destroy it altogether?
The ancient art of domesticating people may have been honed in Europe but is native to the world. It is a “project” of class, the caste of priestly magi and their spell-binding weapons of mass abstraction. It is not about race, religion or geography.
People must be taught not to be guilty because of history, but to be responsible for their present. Controlling your present means understanding your past, thus making it possible to participate in your future.
We must escape the zionist clock and measure.
I do not concede the zionist definition of “weaponized” human misery. It is pointless to use up life force brooding on the irony of in-Europe “victimization.” Schadenfreude, however vague, will not do.
Do those in leadership positions have a better feel for this?
Does the perpetrator understand his crime?
Are there true leaders-in-waiting that understand the situation and are capable of seizing the moment when it arrives and then dashing this A-Z project?
I am not searching for a leader.
Let us make them instead.
Cynthia, are you THE Cynthia McKinney? Because I am a great – great!! – admirer of yours from faraway Greece. It is thrilling to see you writing here!
I would say that the average European did not know the origins of the European project – and still does not know them since it is purposely not public knowledge and is deliberately well-obscured. The European project existed as a concept before the war among obscure left groups. And it was desseminated as an ideal by nazi forces in the various occupied European countries – however, the Third Reich’s 1000 year ambition does not adequately explain the origin of this ‘vision’.
The European project was formally launched [again, in secret, sub rosa] at Bretton Woods, along with the World Bank, GATT and IMF.
The main reason for Europeans’ ignorance has been the sheer secretiveness of the project, further obscured by the fake origin myth accompanying it; the second reason is that federalism has never been clearly spelled out – even today – because federalism [and loss of sovereignty] has – throughout! – been totally rejected by the majority of Europeans. Federalism is the totally unthinkable nightmare for Europeans – yet because of the dissimulating EU and national politicians it is even now seen as fairly distant threat.
The EU in all its forms has always been rejected at first, from the first step, the French-German coal and steel community. Therefore its powers have always been introduced cautiously, and mostly invisibly; advancing slowly, step-by-step over time. Of course without democratic participation, but always quite brilliantly disguised by a grey fog of bureaucratic trance-inducing boredom. According to the EU’s own statistical studies, by 2008 [the peak of its popularity before the crash] only 3% of EU Europeans thought to identify themselves as [EU] Europeans.
For students of history that do want to look into the EU origins, they must spend six months to a year clearing through the formal propagandized history i.e. Schumann, Monnet etc. and my personal object of disgust, the supposed anti-fascist ‘hero’ Altiero Spinelli who wrote the constitution for a democracy-free, agency-free Euro parliament – i.e. a well paid sinecure whose principal use to the EU is grooming – whose vote has no force or application whatsoever inside the EU ranks of power. This powerlessness has only recently been upgraded to giving the EU Parliament the right of veto.
Here is a short, rare and important interview which shines a light into dark corners of the early conception of “Europa” c. 1940, with Greek economist and historian Dimitris Kazakis:
The European Parliament’s new right of veto will have no chance of efficacy due to the parties represented. Key to the introduction of “the project” was to simultaneously build up a [paid] federalist fifth column of politicians, connected professionals and civil servants inside each country that constituted an interior Trojan horse. To be blunt, the politicians of Europe have, as far back as the 50s but almost to a man since 1989, been paid servants of Washington. Blair, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel…
A stark example at the lesser pole of importance is Bulgaria whose leader and political class are a criminal mafia supported by Washington, yet has a well educated middle class helpless to effect change in the present circumstances. Clean politicians, or educated amateurs are at best forced into retirement or meet untimely ends if they persisted.
The Visigrad group [Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria broadly] are all post-Soviet late entries to the EU – Saker’s non-Europe: and there is a lesson for Saker’s Europeans in the clarity and integrity in their viewpoint. They had only a few years to enjoy ‘EU euphoria’ in the go-go naughties before its Janus face was revealed. Apart from federalist place-men (Tusk etc.) the educated and political class has an extremely well informed understanding of how the EU started and what it really is. Thus the most serious analysis and criticism has come from that group – especially Hungary and Czech Republic. The other pole of continuous and serious criticism has been centered in the UK Tory party, whose anti-EU stance kept it “unelectable” for almost 15 years. It was the federalists within her party who pulled off the coup, in league with Brussels, of overnight ejecting Margeret Thatcher from the Prime ministership, the same day a famous anti-EU, anti-euro speech.
Finally let me point out the direct correlation between the post-1989 re-invention of NATO and the 1991 introduction of the EU (as EC). The same year that the illegal war on Yugoslavia started (“humanitarian warfare”) the EC came into being. This was followed by the 1994 Maastricht Treaty which initiated preparation for the euro and tied EU membership to NATO…
To start at 1989 and move forward, correlating it with war and historical events is an eye-opener.
For yr amusement “EU in the US: Who We Are”.
What a mess. Not your rant Saker, but the state of the world. But there is no turning back the clock.
The US empire, most powerful in history, after just a few short years is disintegrating due to hubris and corruption, but to slow down it’s fall is trying to drag the rest of the world with it.
US style capitalism, an ideology that has no values other than money and possessions buy happiness, has been drummed into generations by the mass media.
Populations totally removed from the basic requirements from survival, milling around like lost sheep to the point of not even knowing what sex to try and breed with.
If there is no nuclear Armageddon, the US empire must collapse in the not too distant future. What happens then. Seems to be anger brewing everywhere, but anger against what? Where will the anger be directed? Lost sheep all turning into angry mobs?
Why are people so het up about what is and isn’t “Europe”?
It looks to me like it is only a question of definition, to make discussions easier so that everyone knows what is being discussed when “Europe” is mentioned?
Why are people so het up about what is and isn’t “Europe”? It looks to me like it is only a question of definition,
Because they assume that I believe that being “European” is somehow better. I don’t. not in the least. In fact, while I love Europe, I don’t consider myself as European at all, and that sure does not give me an inferiority complex.
I guess it throws people off to read something about Europe written by a non-European. And they make the wrong, typically Euro-centric, assumptions.
You raised the topic of who is and who is not Europe, Saker. And in your “rant” there are enough reasons for such “assumptions”.
I am Canadian.
Because they assume that I believe that being “European” is somehow better.
You’re so wrong on this point. While undoubtely there are many eastern Europens who harbor such assumptions (European is better), majority of us claim our Europeanity simply because to say otherwise would be to deny our identity.
We’re not “the West” (somethink I consider to be empty concept created for ideological purposes during Cold War years). We’re not “Western Europeans”, because we’re Slavs with all the deep cultural consequences ! But are we Christian Europeans with culture deeply influenced by our neighboring German civilization ? Oh, yes, we are, undoubtely.
And I say this being fully aware of the plundering influence the EU project has on both Western and Eastern Europe.
Saker is dead right. Most people attacking him seem to think that he is denigrating, despising, insulting people by excluding them from Europe.
Saker is not insulting, denigrating (interesting term) or despising people. He is symply denying them their true identity.
This is getting more and more incomprehensible. You were born in Switzerland of (if I understand correctly) Dutch and Russian progenitors. You were raised and educated in various European countries, where you acquired several European languages. But you don’t consider yourself European at all.
Ok. Now at least I understand why so many of us don’t understand what you are talking about. It sounds as if for you Europe is only the core original European Union (minus Britain, but with the reluctant addition of Italy, Spain and Greece). It also appears that a person, even a white person, may be born, raised and educated in those places without ever acquiring Europeanness. Also for mysterious reasons, none of countries outside the original NATO block are European. Scandinavans are not European either. In short, your notion of Europe and Europeans is incredibly narrow, fragile, and most of all, whimsical. It is for all purposes meaningless.
That isn’t what he was saying. He said to him the “real” or important Europe was the nations he mentioned,Western Europe.The Europe he grew up with. And throughout history that is pretty much correct. In many books on Europe its those countries that are the main Europe. The others are considered secondary in importance for Europe. Many may not like that (I don’t either) but it is true. He certainly has a right (shared obviously by many) to think that those are “Europe”. Now,while I personally consider all countries on the continent of Europe ,European. I can easily see his point in the matter as well. But again,that’s his personal viewpoint. And whether anyone agrees with it or not. Its not their business how “he” sees it.
If one makes their personal viepoints public, they become public, and the public has right to agree or object to them. It also leads to opinions about the holder of the viewpoint and his affiliations.
You were born in Switzerland of (if I understand correctly) Dutch and Russian progenitors. You were raised and educated in various European countries, where you acquired several European languages. But you don’t consider yourself European at all.
A pigeon born in a barn does not become a horse.
It is for all purposes meaningless.
Yes, to you it obviously is. Your problem :-)
This is getting more and more incomprehensible.
Reading this “rant”, I started to feel that way too, but then I saw that the takeaway is pretty straight-forward: regardless of how the Saker defines his identity, he feels that the home in which he grew up and the values of the countries most closely connected to that home have been taken away. I.e., “stolen”.
It makes most sense if we bracket how he uses the term “Europe” and “European”, and don’t try to read some particular ethnic dimension into his concerns. Evidently, there’s not, which is why it seems “incomprehensible” if we try to think in those terms.
The important point is just that this “theft” was the effect of a broad policy shift imposed by the ruling élites to bring a lot of cheap labor into Western Europe, with no long-term concern about the consequences, either for the people who were living there before, or for the new immigrants who were being enticed to resettle.
So I take the Saker’s rant more as the expression of a mind that begins to grapple with what lies beyond the sentiment of “I guess I thought I was living in the country I was born in”. Beyond all the messy particularities of how we might define our own cultural identity or relation to “Europe”, this sentiment is something that can resonate for many people, all over the world.
A drop of tar ruins a barrel of honey. Slovianic (incl. Russian) proverb. Try to put it in bracket.
Here is an excellent analysis if the manufactured ideology that is killing Europe. Only 7 minutes and worth the watch.
What is cultural Marxism?
So-called cultural “Marxism” and Marxism are both disruptive socio-economic philosophies but are very different in practice and actually in many ways opposed.
Marxism stresses the solidarity of the working classes, opposition to the Capitalist system, and targets economic structures and institutions defined by wealth stratification. Cultural Marxism targets social institutions, attacks the integrity of the working classes, and serves the interests of the Capitalist system rather than challenging it.
This video is very polished and has a narrator with a posh-sounding British accent to lend an air of authority, but there are so many problems with its claims that it is hard to know where to begin.
The idea that it’s possible to boil down the whole Frankfurt school into a few sentences is utterly laughable. This video acknowledges the complexity of writers like Marcuse, but then proceeds to claim that he can be summarized and then dismissed from any single paragraph that he’s written. The move to hang all the excesses of contemporary gender studies on the Frankfurt school is also laughable.
Please, people, read the original texts — read Marx, read everybody — and try to think more seriously about what these people are arguing. It’s not easy, of course, but the use of buzz-phrases like “Cultural Marxism” only pegs you as a person who hasn’t even read the writers they are arguing against.
It’s unfortunate that you are interpreting the intent of the original youtube poster as well as Secret Agent as an attempt to impugn the Frankfurt school. That was not my impression. The origins of the ideology in question or the terminology used are of little importance in my opinion. Your thoughts on my reply to Secret Agent’s post would have been interesting.
Of more interest to me are the actual effects of this ideology in the real world, who benefits from it and who does not. Also how this ideology is similar and/or different from Marxism.
Some good comments on the original youtube link, by the way.
The first Adam fell and the claws of satan’s darkness oozed over the world until the Light of this world, the second Adam, was born and HIS light shone bright in the hearts of a few, With the Reformation it lit up again and HIS followers were blessed with miraculous inventions in Europe and Britain, and later America. While HIS light burned, there was peace and stability. Where HIS light was doused, anarchy once again takes over.
Like the old lady sitting among the smouldering ruins told the soldier, “….we have forgotten GOD!”
Isn’t it curious that African Christians are sending evangelists to Britain, and Iranian Christians are sending evangelists to Germany!
All the blessings of Europe, the West, and the world, came from our Creator. Now we have abandoned HIM, HE has lifted the hand of restraint, and so left to our desires which are once again satan driven, anarchy will reign. lou.
I think of it like Cayenne Pepper – a little is interesting and enhances a dish, overload it and it becomes inedible.
Where I was born I have been unwelcome for some time -not that I now have any wish to go there, but there has to be something seriously wrong with that, does there not? I have fond memories elsewhere but they are just memories.
Excellent rant by the way.
Thank you. Since when the h*ll did Poland or Ukraine become “European”? Shieeeeeeetttt I’ve been indoctrinated in US policy for my entire life and I’m always stumped when anyone mentions these eastern Slavic states as European. Scandinavia is European, the Balkans (save Greece) is not.
Though I guess I differ with the Saker on the UK. The UK is European, it’s just a different flavor.
How did north African Arabs get preferential treatment over the Arabs of the Levant in European immigration? That’s something I’ll never understand.
More rants like this with less political correctness please. K thanks.
UK is European? Unthinkable, sir! Scandalous suggestion! Preposterous, I tell you (pause for spluttering to cease), absolutely preposterous!
Well, as the British say, the wogs begin in Calais :)
I agree, UK is such a mix of Brits, Welsh, Cornish, Scots-Irish, Scots being ruled by a unique class/caste system, with the dominant Royal Family and upper class (often w/old German/French lineage) considering themselves superior to everyone else on the planet. Nothing like that in, e.g. Spain, which also has royals, or any other place in Europe. In a way England is a split country between London/the City versus the north and everywhere else. There’s nothing like that strange political “correctness” from the BBC, where just this morning on a game show the host had to throw in little digs at the Welsh, the Irish, and always, always, that “lumpy” German cuisine! There are more German restaurants than British restaurants on this earth, including tea-houses and pubs, for good reason.
@ John Rambo on March 27, 2016 · at 5:04 am UTC
“How did north African Arabs get preferential treatment over the Arabs of the Levant in European immigration?”
– Please note that the following is a very rough description, as i do not have the time to research the subject and check the details.
Quite simple: Algeria was administratively France, and under french law anybody either born i France (“droit du sol”) or child of a french citizen (“droit du sang”) was/is french. When Algeria became independant (after 1962) Algerians had to choose which passport they wanted to bear. Kids having parents bearing different passports are binationals until they turn of age (21 then, 18 now). A number of – mostly Berber – Algerians who had sided with France during the civil war became (very badly treated) refugees i France.
Then came history’s irony: in Southern France allmost nobody wanted to work for the “Pieds-noirs” (Northafricans of european discent) who retro-immigrated to France, and the “Pieds-noirs” therefore called in algerian or morrockan labor. Colonial working conditions spread all over southern France, and are part of the reason why the Front National got a foothold first there.
Those who are commonly designated as “north Africans” or “Maghrebins” are generaly born in France to att least one “North African” parent (Arab or Berber, but commonly called “Arab”), who in turn often was born in France. They all are entitled french passports.
Marocko, Tunisia and Syria/Lebanon are different cases as they were protectorates but never were “départements”. Citizens of those countries had privileged access to France but would have to apply for french citizenship.
“Arabs” of the Levant are in fact very often Armenians, Yazidees, etc living in countries who were under british rule, that is under other citizenship regulations than the french ones. I do not know what applied, but that could be an explanation to the difference in access to the EU.
Lots of old africans (i.e. emperor Bokassa) were french citizens because they were born on the territory of the former french empire. Besides lots of them had been drafted during both worlds wars, or had signed in for service after those wars.
Unlike Britain, who early introduced second class citizenship to prevent beeing flooded by HK-Chinese and Indians, France stuck to “same citizenship-rights for all citizens” until (if i remember right) Nicolas Sarközy became president. Therefore lots of offsprings of West- and Northafricans have french passports and cannot be legally denied entry in the EU.
Awesome review! Woke all the cells in my memory bank. Tour de force, Saker.
This Europe you recall is the Europe we all wanted to experience and re-experience like a heirloom. The world of art and music and architecture, languages and philosophy.
And all we have now is merde. And violence. Mayhem and chaos. Hatred and brutality.
Tragic ideological dismantling of civilization step by step and then the infusion of the insane.
My parents honeymooned pre-WWII and my father brought back 16mm footage of Italy and France and Sicily. My sister was art major and art teacher and I was infused with the great painters and dreams of visiting the great museums. My life was filled with renditions of sculptures from Italy and paintings from the Dutch. My life in photography and cinema was propelled by European masters.
And all the world of cinema we have traveled through for fifty, sixty, seventy years that encapsulated the cultures and sounds and splendors as well as allies and slums and the broken and blasted buildings of wars. But the phoenix rose from that only to submit to the insane dreams of deviants and satanists and the treachery of the Hegemon.
You listed the politicians and saboteurs who wrecked Europe. Names of infamy.
What a terrific rant, Saker. Thanks for startling me from stupor and fear.
We all have been robbed of Europe. The crime is against all humanity not just the Europeans.
Larch and Saker
my two heavenly birds
over my universal village
what an Eastern light
I do love l’Occitanie, le syrah (et le Bordeaux), les châteaux de la Loire, and “Paris sera toujours Paris”. I did myself take a dip in the Big Blue at Aegina, but looking up at Saint Nektarios.
I understand that there is a very heavy personal touch in your rant. But I would have avoided underscoring the ‘real’, ‘really’ (Europe). Not that I take any offense at the disparaging of the Balkans (and Romanians, for that matter – indeed they do not belong to Europe, they are Orthodox). No, it is the cognitive dissonances that it induces.
The “real” Europe was always precisely that part of the continent extending to the Don (even to the Caucasus). These ‘extremities’ were really the center. Incidentally, it is also the cradle of the “European civilization” and of the Christian Church, which expanded towards its Western periphery. Periphery that monopolized the name, precisely when it went astray from the “really real” Europe.
Now, I’d be curious why you chose to single out Targu-Mures, which is a town in Transylvania (Marosvásárhely), with a sizeable Hungarian population and having that Baroque look which evokes…Rome! Transylvania was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and it continues to be viewed as belonging to ‘Western Europe’, abusively occupied by Romanians (abetted by the Russian Army, by the way).
He picked up that town because he is an imbecile and arrogant, as he called me earlier (sadly, the worse of Russian side in him prevails). He only knows selective parts of history and geography. Born in a country that’s the headquarter of the Rotschild money scammers (therefore living on profits made by it), and admiring a system of old Empires (French, Dutch, Spanish, Austrian), who sucked-up from so many places, he has very little clues about the resources used in building some of the things he praises. He has no clue about the fact that Constantinopolis and the Byzantium were the center of art and culture, long before Venetian back-stabbers worked together with Ottomans to destroy it (the Rennaissance took place after many artists from Constantinopolis became refugees in Italy, after the fall of the city). He has no idea about the devastation caused by mongoloid and ottoman invasions caused in the Eastern side of Europe, that he suddenly redefines as being non-Europe. With this kind of attitude is not hard to understand why Ukrainians and Polish people want to keep Russians as far away as possible. And the desire of the Russians to be allowed back on the Austrian/French resorts (where they can be identified from miles away due to their arrogant behavior) is an indicator that they do not want to change the current state of world affairs, but want a piece of it (the scam of printing money and lending it with interest on a planetary scale).
and his feet stink, too!
“the Rennaissance took place after many artists from Constantinopolis became refugees in Italy, after the fall of the city”
Also wasn’t it the stolen art the Crusaders brought back from the Byzantine Empire which helped inspired the Renaissance? The Crusaders (western Europeans) were destroying and stealing from the Eastern Orthodox. Those cities they sacked weren’t built or controlled by the Muslims at the time, so everything they stole was from the eastern Christians. It was after the Crusades that the Muslims greatly expanded showing it was the eastern Christians the “Europeans” hurt the most.
That’s partly correct. The Renaissance was enhanced by the learning (books and scholars) bought from Constantinople when it fell to the Turks (Russia also benefited from those refugee’s as well). But the Renaissance was a multi-faceted movement with many “fathers” so that alone wasn’t what made it. As for the artwork,not so much.The Byzantines didn’t create art like that developed during the Renaissance. That was a throwback to the pagan Greek and Roman style. And since the Iconoclasm of earlier centuries in the Eastern Empire they didn’t create that type of work.There were several different Crusades. And the one that you mean I believe was in 1204. That one conquered and looted Constantinople. The immense plunder of wealth (and some of the earlier art) was mostly send back to Western Europe. With the lions share going to Venice. The other more famous Crusades were against Muslim controlled states. While the spread of Islam did advance after the 1204 Crusade,it really wasn’t the main cause of that.The Muslim Turks had already conquered much of the Eastern Roman Empire. And it took them until 1453 to finish it off completely. If any date could be called the turning point for the Empire I’d say 1071 at the Battle of Manzikert was it. The Empire never really recovered from that disaster. It opened all Anatolia (at that time Christian and mostly Greek speaking) to Turkish raids and invasions.That slowly took over it all.The 1204 Crusade was only one of the final nails in its coffin.
If you keep carrying on like this Saker, put on a hard hat because big brother does not tolerate leaders and will bring the hammer down. Cheers. I’ll see if I can find a bit more wood to keep that fire burning.
great comment, picking firewood
A very interesting piece indeed. It is amazing that a ‘rant’ is impregnated with so many ‘key deliverables’…
> Historical fact that the ‘Slavic east Europe’ and ‘Balkan Europe’ is not part of the ‘true west European’ society
> A much-repeated but well-forgotten point that EU is a creation by AngloZionist capitalist elites …
> The central theme of mass migration into Europe that it is a tool to keep the European elites under control of the (AngloZionist capitalist) Master
> True Left ideology will never support pauperisation of their country-men through mass-migration of low-cost immigrants from Maghreb (for which the pseudo-left clique of Trotskyites helped their AngloZionist Masters)
> True Islam and Wahabism are opposite concepts
Saker, continue your good work.
There is a clear understanding of what is and what is not European.
Here are the territories that fall under the European Union, it is a good starting point.
There are certain rules for those who want to be part of this union, and there are rules for those who want to leave it.
It is clear that some may want to focus on some of the problems of today’s Europe for whatsoever reasons, one may also on the other hand well focus on its positive sides that surpass the negatives.
At the end of the day, the European Union today is a preferred destination for most of the world’s population. By time, Europeans will be able to sort out their problems in peace and harmony (including the implementation of proper filtering mechanisms). Europe still remains a beacon of hope for all mankind and the idea that a couple of million refugees will erase the European identity of over 500 million is absurd, if not pure fear mongering.
So rest assured, Europe is just fine, nothing got stolen from you, if you wish you are any time welcome to return, and the troubles we see today is cloud that shall pass.
“… the idea that a couple of million refugees will erase the European identity of over 500 million is absurd, if not pure fear mongering …”
Then, how do you explain the fact that the present Jew population in the U.S. is merely 1.8% (5.8 million out of 318.9 million) – and Jews dominate the U.S. !?
Are you implying that migrants will dominate Europe?
You seem to make two statements. The first statement is about the present (‘Europe is just fine’) . The second statement is about the future (‘By time, Europeans will be able to sort out their problems in peace and harmony’).
Your statements are contradictory. If Europe is just fine, there are no problems to sort out.
“The idea that three boats with 90 immigrants are going to change our continent is absurd”
Famous last words of Indian chief upon seeing Columbus disembark.
Well, i understand where you are coming from Saker. Your observations are educated and compelling if some weren’t already known knowns, invaluable insight to be sure… as well deductible by the continued patterns of the US State Dept and Tel Aviv.
i tend to feel/think/logic that the CIA is an arm of the US State Dept… This charade is known clear to the top > Obama-Crypto-fascist -=CIA operative…
The Bilderbergies may be of some influence i tend to feel the ‘Council on Foreign Relations’ exerts a stronger influence.
My grandpa was a deserter from the Turko-Bulgar wars from Bulgaria… wish they’d have at least passed the Bulgarian language onto mom ~ But, no way ! And a whole culture with it. But i can get by in Spanish / the variety of Tongues in Europe has served you well.
i can assure you the US of A is not what i would have imagined growing up in the late fourties/fifties ~ it’s sickening and now, barf me out the door F5 Windbag Trump is likely to be pitted against the Frump her lying highness Hillary…
As for Left and Right in ‘murikka vs The old Europe the CIA did it’s best to disrupt and interdict Russian and Commie sympathizer countries during the cold war (even George Orwell was on the CIA payroll for a time, Frankenthaler, Motherwell, all these clowns were on the CIA payroll and the Neo-libs spawned … ‘Drop Drills’,.. have been replaced with False Flags from, USS Liberty, Tonkin Gulf to 9/11 ~ Libruls in ‘murikka are part and parcel of the devalued life styles we once had and expected. Neo-Fascism is alive and well.
i am sorry for your loss ~ No one can be compassionate for the Refugee if not as compassionate for those whose doorsteps they are flung upon. (If only ‘organized chaos’ were flung on Tel Aviv…)
Speaking of Islam, Moscow, Russia is the city of ‘Europe’ with the most Muslims, 11 million ~ i don’t hear of problems there like in Paris?
If i could, i’d pick the Cycladian Islands to watch my last sunset. But if you get to ‘murikka before then we/Montana has the most Peregrine Falcons of any state, be glad to intro you to some class A Falconers.
Thank you for the post. Have only two brief remarks.
First, besides some details that are personal, this is all common sense. Doesnt sound really like a rant unless you consider that common sense has departed us. (And it has.)
Second, let us remember that in most cases nobody wants to leave his her own country unless absolutely forced to by circumstances. Only very specialized workers willingly plan their moving in order to obtain a better job –not _some_ job or “a life”…
“in most cases nobody wants to leave his her own country unless absolutely forced to by circumstances”
Or unless you’re wanted by the law…
Saker on a stolen Europe: Welcome to the NWO melting pot where what emerges is a sickly Shade of Gray. When the angry young men of Latin America come to the US, join gangs and then are deported back to their countries of origin, they become very lethal and poisonous to their native lands. It would be best for those who gloat about how the dispossessed of Africa and the midEast are “chickens coming home to roast” to be aware of this.
This mass migration is a two sided coin to destroy both cultures as part of the plan for a world wide mono culture. The resistance in Europe to the waves of emigration will be used to justify the placement of a police state. And there is no way 2 million refugees can be assimilated into Europe so many will have to be sent back ultimately to ruined lands where they will be controlled in camps or forced into forms of slave labor for various armed, warring factions.
Gloating is the last thing anyone should be doing. Weeping is more appropriate. And everyone of us will pay for this situation in one way or another. What happens in Europe does not stay in Europe.
Agreed. There is no true safe place.
Banking for starters should be returned to the People via public banking, and money managed as a public utility directly repsonsible to local citizens, not banksters in distant financial capitals with no sense of consequences catering to a neo-rentier neo-aristocracy.
Great to set off such a shitstorm Saker!
Personally I think Nikolay Danilevsky’s idea about dominant cultures going through a process of ‘aging’ is correct.
All is change.
We all can see (and admire) a reinvigorated Russia confronting an aging toothless British lion.
“Danilevsky applied his teleological theory of evolution, stating that each type went through various predetermined stages of youth, adulthood, and old age, the last being the end of that type. He characterised the Slavic type as being at the youth stage, and developed a socio-political plan for its development, involving unification of the Slavic world, with its future capital at Constantinople (now Istanbul), ruled by an Orthodox Emperor. While other cultures degenerate in their blind struggle for existence, the Slavic world should be viewed as a Messiah among them. In Danilevsky’s view there is no genuine or absolute progress, however, as history is circular.
Aspects of Danilevsky’s book prefigured some of the theories in Oswald Spengler’s The Decline of the West. Arnold J. Toynbee mentions them in A Study of History. “
Just wondering why Saker asserts that Maghrebis are not Arabs.
In the “ethnic” sense many,or even most aren’t “Arab”. They (mostly) speak Arabic and are Muslim,even are assimilated in many ways into Arabic culture. But many (or most) have Berber backgrounds,not Arab.Which is especially true of Moroccans and Algerians (less so in Tunisia and Libya). In the West they are just all “grouped” into being called “Arabs”.
Here are my two cents as a Swiss citizen anyway.
Swiss jails host about 40:60 Swiss citizens and foreigners. However, the “recruitment” base for foreigners is 4 times smaller. Hence, foreigners go to jail about 6 times more often than Swiss citizens. As you already wrote, the most troubles are usually not committed by the immigrants but rather by the second or third generation. Besides an identity crisis by a split-feeling of home here and there, economic and cultural issues together foster criminality.
However, the gang criminality could be reduced many times by killing the black markets it feeds off. Legalizing drugs and selling them at close to production cost in state-owned shops would kill 98% of the revenue stream of dealers. As a result, dealers would have to seek for quick money elsewhere whereas drug consumers would not need to rob/grab money wherever they can. Unfortunately, other big black markets such as human trafficking and small arms cannot be legalized because of serious negative consequences. Therefore, police forces should be focused on these markets. This is one more argument for a wholesale legalization of drugs.
Swiss jails host about 40:60 Swiss citizens and foreigners.
By passport – maybe. But by culture, by upbringing?
If I was put in a Swiss jail, I would also be classified as “Swiss” (since I was born in Zurich and have a Swiss passport). But does that make me Swiss in a cultural sense? Of course not. I promise you that if you look into the so-called “Swiss” in Swiss jails you will find very few “cultural” Swiss there.
Fantastic article ! Congratulations Saker ! 100% correct. Being Swiss, I live both in Switzerland and France, Geneva being on the border. The only thing you missed out talking about immigration in Geneva is the large and visible latino community. Of course, they are not the causing problem ones. Our President said two days ago that we have now 25% foreigners. They now try to naturalise a maximum so that the figures don’t rise too much. I hope you will be right about France. All I see both in Switzerland and France are very weak and submissive politicians (as well as people). If you want to read off mainstream press, I suggest
both for French, Swiss and Europe
I also live in Switzerland. last time I checked (and it was even in Blick not so long ago, not that I read it..), the prison population nationality distribution was 73-74% foreigners, the exact percentage slightly varying depending on year (1-2% difference between 2013-14-15). but it’s all well over 70%. just google “Ausländeranteil Gefängnisse Schweiz”. according to e.g. Uni Lausanne it’s even 74.2%
and it’s also not correct that most crimes are committed by the 2nd-3rd generation. in practice, the vast majority of those imprisoned foreigners are so-called “criminal tourists”, people who don’t even have a Swiss stay permit, just a tourist visa at best (or no visa at all).
Yes if you look close enough the number is usually higher than first reported. Here in Austria it´s at least every 2nd person in jail. But if you cound the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, that number goes significantly up.
Of course, the “every 2nd number” is easily justified evertime because the politicans go on about how we are in the middle of Europe and because of this we are a transit country. They will never officially admit to the simple thruth that immigration often doesn´t work out or that open borders also mean free traffic for criminals.
For that last reason alone, i always was firmly against Schengen.
Saker, what you wrote is not a rant, I would liken it more to an almost primal scream of frustration and rage brought on by what you and I both understand is happening and has already happened with irreversible consequences.
I am Auslander. Most of you know what that word means and I use that pen name because that is what I am when I go ‘home’ to USA where I was born which, by the way, has as much chance of happening again as the Dark Lord driving a Kenworth with a Myers snow blade on it in his kingdom. I also use that name because when I go ‘home’ to my ethnic roots I no longer feel what I am, 100% ethnic German.
The Century of War ended on 31 December 1999 but the wars did not end on that date and have not ended to this day and may well not end by the time I’m gone in hopefully another twenty years or so.
The Century of War actually started in the late 1800’s, brought on by the constant squabbling between the interrelated ruling royalty of Europe and culminating in the total destruction of empires extant at that time. However, the war has continued and the true two main protagonists are now publicly revealed, Russia and USA, this revelation occurring to anyone with eyes and ears as Berlin was still smoldering in May of 1945. Everything that has happened in western cultures and in reality the world since that fateful day is woven in to the fabric of the ongoing struggles between the two main protagonists.
I will not go in to the details of events, most if not all of you who read this blog well know the main events that have occurred in the seventy years since the fall of the last European empire, Germany. Since that date the struggle between Russia and USA has been the foremost process in this world as other countries and continents emerged from that turmoil of the hostilities of 1932-1945.
Few, however, understand, truly understand, the one country standing in the way of total global domination of USA. Russia has never and will not ever go down on bended knee to anyone and that includes USA which was a scant couple decades ago at the disintegration of SSSR the most powerful empire in the world. It is a mark of the fear, not respect but fear, USA has of Russia that when there was in reality no definable command and control structure in Moscow USA did not attack and try to destroy Russia at last.
Russia has a long and very complicated history and culture. If you wish to begin to understand Russia you must start with a study of Byzantium, the Second Rome. As Constantinople was close to falling in 1453 most of the ruling, the wealthy and the middle classes fled as they could with many coming to the north and east shores of the Black Sea. In time many of those who fled moved north from the Sea and formed the basis for the growing Russian Culture. In my opinion Russia is the heir to the Byzantine Empire with all the good and all the not so good elements of that culture. The centuries since those times has seasoned and refined Russian Culture along with the always extant contacts with Eastern Cultures. Toss in the constant depredations of invasions from both east and west and you have what Russia is today, a mixture of cultures that makes for her very different from the rest of the world and a culture that is unfathomable to western and new world cultures.
The single most important event in Russian History since May 1945 is the ascension to leadership of V V Putin on 31 December 1999. He was faced with tasks that make The Labors of Hercules look like changing a baby’s nappy. That constant running sore of corruption, extant in both Byzantium and Russia for centuries, had run amok for a decade as Russia was looted to the very ground by the newly rich and powerful. Emigration was a massive problem as many of the best and brightest, and many of the not so ‘best and brightest’, ran from Russia. The Armed Forces were in unbelievable disarray and led by holdovers from the Great Patriotic War, which was neither great nor patriotic but a war of survival against an implacable enemy who wished to destroy Russia for all time. The physical plant was disintegrating do to many years of neglect and outright theft and corruption. In other words, Russia was a mess top to bottom.
Mr. Putin was not and is not a Czar with total power and in actual fact the Czars since after ‘Ivan the Terrible’ did not hold anything close to absolute power. Mr. Putin carefully, and craftily, began to rebuild the Russia of his mind. He did what he could to curtail the rampant corruption but of course he could only go so far in that task or he would not be alive to achieve his primary goal of restoring Russia to what she was and should be. His primary goal was to buy as much time as possible on the international stage so he could do what was needed for Russia.
His success, and his ongoing labors which never cease, became evident in February 2014 when landing ships from Novorossiysk Navy Base on the Russian Mainland put their bows to the quays near Kerch and Feodosya in east Krimea and disgorged Russian troops to secure the citizens of Krimea and Sevastopol, this action done at the request of the new governments in Sevastopol and Simferopol. At the same time airborne forces covered the skies of Krimea and Russian troops landed by transport at Simferopol Aerodrome which was under the control of Opolchensya, the local Self Defense Troop activated as the Ukraine Government was requested to pack up and leave.
While the operation in and of itself was not a logistic or operational difficulty the surprise to USA and EU of the sudden operation was total, in other words they had not a clue, no one so much as whispered about this sudden operation beforehand. This was a massive shift of attitude because before that operation US/EU had deep penetration of the working apparatus of the Russian Armed Forces and were simply left mouths agape as the first indication they had of the operation was news and social media passing about informations of Russian troops, ships and air assets suddenly in Krimea and Sevastopol and in force.
In the ensuing year and a half as Russia was massively pilloried and sanctioned by US/EU Mr. Putin never strayed from his tasks and fought tooth and claw to preserve and enhance Russian economies and forces. The next, and probably most important, surprise for US/EU was his agreement to a request from President Assad of Syria for assistance in Assad’s almost lost ‘war of liberation’ in Syria. Within days of their agreement Mr. Putin put in the Russian Air Force which proceeded to go from a western laughingstock to suddenly being a force to be reckoned with and feared by US/EU. Perhaps they believed their own propaganda, I don’t know, but the shock to US/EU was again total. As US/EU was struggling to curtail the sudden Russian operations and success against Mr. Assad’s assailants another threat was unleashed on the US/EU sponsored terrorists trying to destroy Syria.
On 27.10.2015 the little known, and little regarded, Russian Navy Caspian Sea Fleet unleashed a storm of 26 Kalibr Missiles on targets 1600 kilometers distant from the ships. All hit within five meters of their programmed targets. Within days more Kalibr and other missiles were targeted on the terrorists from Black Sea Fleet ships operating in the Mediterranean Sea and from air assets based as far away as Murmansk and Mozdok Aerodrome in Russia. The Caspian Sea Fleet operation was a game changer on the world stage. The Kalibr Missile was unseen in flight until the final kilometer of its flight when it went supersonic to its target. There is no defense against this missile beyond taking out the launch systems before launch. This system is also small enough to fit a double launch system in a standard rail and ship shipping container. The fact that the little Caspian Sea Fleet ships can navigate up the river systems to well within range of Europe means nothing, the ability to fit the Kalibr System in a shipping container means everything. Where are those containers now? EU is still casting a worried eye over their shoulders.
Russia has clearly announced ‘I am back’.
Now, the meat of the current turmoil in EU. I have no idea who unleashed the millions of sudden emigrants on EU but I do know EU has no idea how to cope with this mess and it is a cast iron fact that not one of those emigrants could have made it out of Turkey without the active participation of the Turkish Government. The actions and reactions of the powerless minions of governments in Occupied Europe are shown to have precisely zero power to follow the will of their disparate peoples occupying this Tower of Babel they call European Union. The very fact that these powerless minions are quite willing to unleash their various Gestapos on their own people to enforce their policies on their citizens points in one direction and that direction is west, ‘across the pond’ as the Brits say.
What is the advantage to Langley in regards to this massive wave of emigrants? Is this a reaction to the beginnings of grumbles from the powers ‘ruling’ EU about the huge economic losses because of the sanctions they themselves imposed on Russia and which were promptly returned to them in spades, much to their stunned surprise? Is this simply a way to show the Tower of Babel who is the real power there? Or is the reality this massive wave of emigrants is to be the final and total destruction of Europe and her many and diversified cultures.
Reality is thus. France died on the icy roads back to Poland from Moscow under Napoleon two centuries ago . The corpse was twitching until the disaster of Verdun in the ‘first’ war, the War to End All Wars. England and her empire died on Flanders Fields. Old Germany ceased to exist in fall of 1944 under the relentless air attacks of Bomber Harris in England by US Air Forces under his command. Japan died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Vestiges of these vibrant cultures survive today but the reality is they are dead and gone. Some of us remember these vestiges fondly but what we were looking at was simply a dream within a dream, gone like the delicate sound of a spring butterfly’s wings as she passes in to the sunset.
Author, Never The Last One, a deep look in to current Russian culture and society.
An Incident on Simonka. NATO is invited to leave, coming in days.
@ In my opinion Russia is the heir to the Byzantine Empire…
It is not only an opinion, it is the plain truth. I would be even bolder. Russia became effectively part of the “Byzantine Commonwealth” once she embraced Christianity. At all times, Russian rulers acknowledged, at least tacitly, that the emperor was the head of the Christian Commonwealth and they were, in turn, considered to be dignitaries of the Empire. Byzantine culture was absorbed so thoroughly as to become popular culture.
I agree, the plain truth is Russia is the heir to Byzantium. I pulled that punch and meant to go back and remove the ‘in my opinion’ but was writing so frenetically that I plain forgot.
Anyone with even a small knowledge of Russia knows her roots and no matter what happens to her Mother Russia always returns to her roots through triumph and tragedy, peace and war, prosperity and penury. Russia. You may love her or hate her but she always elicits emotion.
Your right.And in the past it was accepted as “common knowledge” by most historians. Especially those of Russian background. There are several books by Prince Dimitry Obolensky that mention that connection. In more than one way Russia was the “heir” to the Eastern Roman Empire.
But the problem with History is that there has always been written by those who have access to knowledge and one could easily deduce that these accounts also have their bias, despite how well-informed, based on facts and own personal honesty of whom could have written it.
Because, see, this prince Dmitry Obolesnsky, a descendant of the reigning family in Russia for centuries, even looking like a man really only interested in culture, he was educated in the British education system since childhood. So, if we consider that education systems, where we include the textbooks available, teachers who wants to retain their position and, of course, the press, as a means of mass indoctrination, always have been modified / curtailed so that events were/ are organized so as the narrative benefits their social, economic and political objectives, how can we know that the content of these history books reflect reality?
Not to mention that other members of these royal families in exile, interrelated with the European royalty to the utmost, as noted by Uncle Bob 1, and perhaps not so dedicated to academia as this Prince Dmitry Obolensky, have been born in other nations even by several generations now, nations which, as Auslander says, have always been and are today also at odds with Russia.
So one might wonder what nation is the repository of their last fidelity, if the nation where they have settled for almost more than two centuries or the nation where their ancestors came?
If we deny all history written because we fear it is written with bias. Then we will only live in ignorance. I never could understand that thinking. You search out all sources if you doubt one or the other account of something. And then with several opinions you think “what was the thinking in that time”. And ” what factors in that time period would have determined peoples actions”. Once you do that, then you can make an informed decision to believe or not. But if you let fear of being lied to,and/or ideology guide you. And even more important if you try to put 21st Century thinking into another time period. You will never understand the truth of the past.
Sailing to Byzantium
BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS
That is no country for old men. The young
In one another’s arms, birds in the trees,
—Those dying generations—at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.
O sages standing in God’s holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.
Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.
Auslander, your post could be an article in its own right.
My friend, that is up to Saker, not me, I just write as the spirit moves me. I do thank you for your compliment, you are quite kind with your words.
“Now, the meat of the current turmoil in EU. I have no idea who unleashed the millions of sudden emigrants on EU”
The usual suspects are always the same. The same globalists that preach to give up your roots, culture and borders because it´s easier to influence and control people that have no real origin. Sorros and his scumy friends, the same who would love to see Putin go. V. Orban was the first to point him out and he was right. His foundation is one of the money givers and enablers in Europe, hell, they were giving out money and phones in the open in Vienna so these “refugees” could organize themselves.
Of course it´s a bit more complex than this. The industry is likely on board because they were promised cheap labor, which they now backpaddled because they realized that most lack the education. Politicans hoped to gain votes for their humanitarian behavior, which blow up into their face. And Turkey, well, they use it to blackmail the EU for money, visas and membership, so they can finally “legally” flood the EU with their people. (why fight if you can breed them out?)
And some elements in Washington sure see it as a good idea to tighten the robe around the neck of their puppets. If chaos comes to Europe, they will be the first to offer their help, probably in form of weapons worth millions.
Thank you Auslander for a beautifully written post.
I would like to point out – in the interest of history – that although I am glad, nay thrilled, to see Russia pick up the Byzantine mantle in this present age, Byzantium in fact was the product of another people and another civilization, now reduced to a small archipelago nation in the SE Mediterranean.
And sadly, a country too often dismissed with contempt on this blog: a contempt equal to Bild, Economist, Bloomberg etc.
They that have power to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow:
They rightly do inherit heaven’s graces
And husband nature’s riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others but stewards of their excellence.
The summer’s flower is to the summer sweet
Though to itself it only live and die,
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.
Enoch Powell, Jean-Marie Le Pen, BHL, and what-have-you: Your beloved Western Europe looks ever more God-awful with each passing day. Neoliberalism and corporate media mindrot have destroyed any semblance of social progress and social decency. The only thing which still persists is imperialist barbarism abroad. Sadly, however, the ruling plutocracy has begun to tear down the fences which used to protect the Western Heimat and leave it to dirt-poor, oppressed countries to deal with the refugee torrents on their own. The Euro-trash is in for interesting times indeed.
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
good on you saker, cant question anything you write, as always, strong & free & brave, blessings!!!!!!!!!
What is this Europe that has been “stolen”?
The despoiler of the rest of the world, still enjoying the loot while fending off its victims.
The source of the immigration that the peoples of the New World were no doubt worried about “assimilating”
The precursor and template for the Empire it has willingly served these last seventy five years.
No WASP could utter a primal howl of entitlement that betters this one!
Spot on Ewan…I have never before read such balderdash as this rant (and associated comment support).
Alas, sad, but very true.
As an Englishman who lives in Italy, it saddens me to see the way the EU has corrupted itself. The overlying principles of the EU, freedom of movement, single currency etc are marvellous. We frequently travel across borders and the freedom of no passport control, the single currency are great for us. However, these benefits have been bogged down by years of unending bureaucracy.
Once I was the greatest advocate of the EU project. Now I just wish it would go away. From watching Mogherini’s crocodile tears, to the never ending automatic renewal of sanctions against Russia. All of these people in the EU high command were NEVER elected by the people. Yet they make decisions that affect 500 million people. Democracy, my *rse!
As for the UK….. Don’t even get me started. If ever there was an Un-European country, that is it. From birth we are taught in the UK, it is us and them. There has and never will be true European integration, which is a shame, because as you travel around Europe, you see the rich culture, history etc. All of this changes from one country to the next. If there is one thing that I very much love, despite the EU, each European country still retains their own identity. Let us hope that remains.
You being half-Germanic exlains a lot about yourself, Andrey. Especially your un-love for us western Slavs.
I am Slovak. I admit that when visiting Western Europe and talking to Western Europeans I feel a lot of alienation. There is an undeniable chasm of identity between Slavs and Western Europe.
To your amazement perhaps, I can assure you that we don’t feel this aliention when interacting with Russians. We are the same people with Russians – and AngloZionists and our own sold-out elites are trying their best to convince us otherwise. But deep inside our souls say otherwise.
Still, this does not entitle you to steal our homeland from us by calling us non-Europeans. First of all, Europe is a geographical concept. Our western Slavic ancestors have been inhabitating this place (Central-Eastern Europe) for at least one and half millenia. We’ve created quite stable societies that persisted centuries, with culture we dearly love.
This culture – while distinct from western European – was formed by both our Slavic roots and great and admirable German civilization. This way – by geographical location of our home and by inspiration we took from our Western European neighbors – we definitely consider ourselves Europeans.
We’re Christians, our kings intermarried with both Western-European and Russian royalty, we provided refuge for persecuted religious minorities from Western Europe.
I think some of the current cultural division stems from 40 years of Iron Curtain’s existence. Notion of Prague being less European than Portugal would be laughable 100 years ago. So sad you fell into this trap as well. But as I said in the beginning – you being Germanic explains a lot.
You being half-Germanic exlains a lot about yourself, Andrey. Especially your un-love for us western Slavs.
Relax, dude, all I have which is Germanic is half of my DNA, but since I am not a racialist I don’t believe that this determines my identity, which is the product of my upbringing and that was Russian.
And I have no un-love for Western Slavs, are you kidding me? I have spent enough time with Poles, Slovaks and Serbs to very much appreciate them. No, what I don’t like is when people who have their own identity are willing to ignore it in the vain hope of being accepted by the real Europeans (cultural). Let’s take my beloved Serbs – do you seriously think that they belong to the same cultural realm has the Danes?!
As for calling me by my first name, this is rude. Not because this is not my name, it is, but because my identity was revealed against my will by dishonorable people. In fact, every time somebody does refer to me by my first name, it is always as part of a hostile and condescending comment.
The rest of the commentators here, even those who are my personal friends, always refer to my nom de plume when posting here precisely out of respect for my privacy and for that I am very grateful to them.
Finally, your double reference to my being Germanic reveals…. …. your OWN hostility and even racialism towards Germans. LOL! How about you get it straight with yourself and decide whether Germans and Slovaks are “brothers in Europe” or, as I think, representatives of very different cultures and civilizations.
+1 and +1 on this!
(point for The Saker)
p.s. to Rachotilko: You are a DNA driven racist.
Cheers from Martin, with original Soviet genes (yet Communist East-German ones)
Rachotilko: You are a DNA driven racist.
Yes, and, on top of that, he clearly dislikes the Germanic people who really are the core of European civilization, more than any other peoples such as Latins or Slavs who were very much added to that Germanic core.
So much for him being a real European :-)
That comment of his really says more to prove my point than anything else.
Don’t you love those Eastern/Central “Europeans” who are, at the same time, intensely hostile to Germanic people?!
My (thought) crime today: yet again, I said out loud something which everybody knows but never dares to mention. What else is new?
On several occasions you called “idiocy” when someone put into your mouth something not expressed by you.
Now you did the same. I am in no way hostile to Germanic people, I love German culture. What I said is there is a deep alienation felt between both sides of Germanic-Slavic divide. And that alienation (yes, I believe passed on even genetically) is an explanation of your excluding Slavs from European identity.
Reread what you just said. You make Saker’s point for him. You said “What I said is there is a deep alienation felt between both sides of Germanic-Slavic divide.” Which is “exactly” what he meant. You say Slavs “feel” alienation from Germans,and the reverse is true. Saker considers Germans as a key element of what he believes is “cultural Europe”. So you are unknowingly agreeing with what he is saying.Its that very “alienation” on both sides that makes them different from each other.
BTW: I don’t have the 5 minutes now to google for the link. But it was the Poles 900 years ago who were traitors and made deals with the Germans, rather than protecting their fellow Slavic brothers of the Slavic Federation (in the areas surrounding Berlin, east of the Elbe and more so east of the rivers Oder/Neisse. Only then the Slavic tribes were destroyed and more and more parts of what is now (thanks to Stalin!!) again Polnd fell under German control.
That’s why Saker and many others including myself do dislike the West-Slavs. Because they always wanted to be Germans or committed treason and/or both. See WW2.
Have a look at the NATO expansion after 2003.
Ask 100 average Poles on the street what they think about Germany and NATO versus Russia.
Then you know why West-Slavs do deserve being disliked, simply because they are evil primitive traitors, period. And that despite their slavic genes …
Then you know why West-Slavs do deserve being disliked, simply because they are evil primitive traitors
Man, and you call me a racist ? Where in my comment did I use such strong negative racial stereotypes ?
I, for one, deeply love German culture. I am deeply inspired by Bach or Luther. Not that I want to be German. I know it would be futile effort because I am Slav.
The fact that there is somethink of a deep divide in terms of temperament, emotionality, that precisely copies the Slavic – Germanic linguistic border, is simply known and felt by anyone interacting with the “other side”.
And here I am reflecting my personal experiences when interacting with Scandinavians (I’ve spent there 4 years). It felt like being among the aliens, completely different everything.
I don’t love german “culture”.
“””””Speaking of traitors…your comment is beyond laughable. It’s very offensive and worse, baseless.
We both know German history and Polish history. If we look at it we will find that we Poles behaved in way more honorable way than Germans did. That’s indisputable fact.”””””
Your comment proves that you didn’t understand the slightest thing, that you really have no clue.
Some help: I defend the Slavic position, rather than the German one.
As for economic growth in Poland: Do you have a clue where all the EU money came from?
Poland was built up as masterpiece EU reference toy project. One of the reasons why this was done was to spread unrest in its eastern neigbors, due to social envy. It worked well as we saw in Ukraine. And BelaRus is on the same agenda (attempts for a Maidan failed [until now]). I chatted with some BelaRus girls on mail.ru and it shocks me every time how much westward looking and materialistic the current generation has become.
BTW, on a side note, I find it silly how much Slavs identify themsleves with Christianity.
Have a look at history:
Great Slav Rising
The Slavic peoples between the Elbe and the Baltic coast had been conquered and nominally converted to Christianity by the campaigns of the German king Henry the Fowler and his son Otto I, who in 962 was crowned Holy Roman Emperor. Otto had most recently defeated an alliance of Obotrite and Circipani tribes at the 955 Battle on the Raxa. The conquered area east of the German Duchy of Saxony was initially organized within the vast Saxon Eastern March under Margrave Gero, but divided into smaller marches upon his death in 965.
In order to stabilize his rule, Otto promoted the conversion of the Slavic population, establishing the bishoprics of Havelberg and Brandenburg in 948, followed by the Archbishopric of Magdeburg in 968, which in particular carried out active missionary work.
In 981 Archbishop Adalbert of Magdeburg, the “Apostle of the Slavs”, died and his successor Gisilher had to struggle with the resistance by the Magdeburg chapter. He was backed by Emperor Otto II, who, however, was on campaign in Italy, where he suffered a disastrous defeat against the Sicilian Kalbids in the 982 Battle of Stilo and died the next year without having returned to Germany, leaving his minor son Otto III under the tutelage of the Empress consorts Theophanu and Adelaide of Burgundy.
While there was internal dissention in the Holy Roman Empire, Slavic forces led by the Lutici revolted and drove out the political and religious representatives of the Empire. Starting from the Slavic sanctuary at Rethra, the bishops’ seat of Havelberg on 29 June 983 was occupied and plundered, followed by Brandenburg three days later and numerous settlements up to the Tanger River in the west. According to the contemporary chronicler Thietmar of Merseburg, the Obotrites joined the Lutici, devastated a St Lawrence monastery in Kalbe, the bishopric of Oldenburg and even assaulted Hamburg.
A hastily assembled Saxon army was only able to retain the Slavs behind the Elbe. The Northern March and the March of the Billungs were lost. The March of Lusatia as well as the adjacent marches of Zeitz, Merseburg and the Meissen in the south did not take part in the uprising.
From 985, several Princes of the Empire carried out annual campaigns together with the Christian Polish princes Mieszko I and Bolesław I Chrobry to subjugate the area, however these campaigns were unsuccessful. In 1003 King Henry II of Germany tried a different approach: he allied himself with the Lutici and waged war against his previous ally Prince Bolesław of Poland. This stabilized the independence of the Lutici and ensured that the area remained ruled by Polabian Slavs and unchristianized into the 12th century.
The immediate consequences of the uprising were an almost complete stop on further German eastward expansion (Ostsiedlung) for the next 200 years. For most of the time, the dioceses of Brandenburg and Havelberg existed in titular form only, with the bishops residing at the royal court. Only in the 12th century after the Wendish Crusade of 1147 and the establishment of the Margraviate of Brandenburg under the Ascanian prince Albert the Bear in 1157, the settlements east of the Elbe were resumed; followed by the northern lands of Mecklenburg, where after several years of fighting against the Obotrite prince Niklot, his son Pribislav in 1167 declared himself a vassal of the Saxon Duke Henry the Lion.”””””
Hitler being elected by the German people is a sticking myth. Hitler was NOT elected but came to power in a shady backroom deal with von Papen: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm
About your Zionist conspiracy theory: http://orig07.deviantart.net/9ed7/f/2015/159/c/3/conspiracy_theorists_demotivator_by_party9999999-d8wizal.png
Africa starts south of Bern Ha-ha! (Yes, you put “joke” in inverted commas). London is like Karachi, which is “disgusting”. Maghrebians and Yugoslavs could never assimilate… and yet “there are Maghrebians horrified to see their neighbourhoods over-run”… “more or less integrated ex-Yugoslavs”… The “Zionists” are building the new Europe? (Is this not to big up the admittedly malign influence of Israel?) Britain had good strategic reason to want to avoid any European nation becoming too powerful (a reason it shared with Russia). The Channel was vital to its shipping, which was vital to its security and its economy. This is not the same as Britain being “anti-European” or the “worst enemy” – no more than a century and a half of hostility made either France or Germany “anti-European”. This is silly.
Perhaps a moment to re-read and correct?
Perhaps a moment to re-read and correct?
No. I suggest a moment to re-read and try to understand what it actually says :-)
Saker, I can understand your passion and feelings re: old Europe, however, as a Macedonian I am averse first of all to the French as they deny any and everything Macedonian, its a policy they have taken on since their division of Macedonia ie; their part in the Balkan Wars and stick to today no matter what.
Second, I understand your memories and good times of Greece, because they’re connected to happy times in your life. Well, once again you are not Macedonian. Were you you would know that Greece is not a normal country as you said at one point. Greece or more specifically the Greek state of consciousness, the nationalistic one, ie; those who fall for the Greek state propaganda toward Macedonians – is a fascistic black medieval hole – if you are Macedonian that is! Why? Maybe a Greek could tell you. But it has to do with Greece’s annexation of Aegean Macedonia 1912/13. And if they are that toward Macedonians for no other reason than that we are Macedonians, then they are not what they pretend to be with others. Of course a genocide that has been occurring for well over a century, approved and rubber stamped by the US/EU has received virtually no recognition in the West.
The Macedonian spirit is similar to the Russian, highly cultured and aware of its own history. And although Macedonia has not necessarily received direct benefits of Russian support they at least recognise our name and our right to self identification, unlike old/new Europe, Greece, France, Germany et al. Macedonians are freedom loving and hospitable. As a denizen of a Western country as well as a Macedonian citizen, I unfortunately dont have such feelings toward so called Europe, old or new. Its simply reaping its karma. I do agree however, that the EU should be dissolved as they are creating far more havoc as the US’s lap-dog, unfortunately at their own expense first and foremost. As a Macedonian I have seen the worst face of so called Europe toward us – they despise, they belittle, they treat us as nobodies. Of course I’m aware that this speaks more for European policy, then Europeans themselves of course. I do not equate the many and varied European peoples with their governments.
I know you said you were ranting and perhaps would step on people’s toes, however, I’m adding my two cents worth as a regular reader and follower of your articles. Best, D.
I am Irish. My heart breaks.
“Orban’s historic speech puts Hungary on war footing”
Mar 15, 2016
Orban is not from Europe, who cares? /s
Obviously rants are almost always narrow minded so I will excuse your omissions but it must be said that Europeans and or Western policies in these (especially the Sub-Saharan Africa) countries is what leads to mas migration from these countries. Just like the terrorist acts we see today, one must not excuse the vile actions of these terrorist, but on the other hand, we cannot ignore the victims of European and or Western terror in the Middle East over the last decades. These vile actions feed each other and the collective victims are the innocent (civilians) on the two sides. So although I understand your rant, I have a dismissive attitude towards it.
Should Europe not reap the fruit of its labors (in this case Economic policies and the pillage of African and Sub-Saharan raw materials)? Should the Sub-Saharan or African just stay in their wretched land and continually take the abuse from the puppet governments the Europeans have installed in those countries? Remember, the Europe you fantasized about wasn’t blameless, only its actions is finally catching up to it. By the way, those Sub-Saharan and Africans have their tales about the glory days as well. Like you rightly pointed out, the immigrants and their hosts share a common detractor, the globalist. Lastly, do you know how offensive the phrase ” A Stolen Europe” is to an African, especially when uttered by an European? I have enjoyed this site for years, rarely comment but thought I’d point out what I perceive as a gross omission in your rant. Keep up the good work.
Well Mr Saker,
The Year,1885. The Berlin Conference. The Partition of Africa by the current Masters and Rulers of Satan’s Earth. Yes, you do recall that The Opposer of the Almighty God’s will on earth and in the universe offered all the Kingdoms of the World to Jesus/Isa for one act of worship! He could hardly offer what was not his to give! Hm?
Well, prior 1885, I should have mentioned the African Slave Trade (or Triangular Trade) in which the African elites were thoroughly complicit. Quite!!!
After the lands and peoples of the African continent had been parcelled out among these Gangsters, all hell broke loose upon us! Invasions, Plunder, Looting. Murder/Genocide, Rape (consequently barstadisation). Forced Labour (sometimes, outright slavery. Eventually, Land dispossession. We were truly reduced to being “The Wretched of the Earth” – Fanon.
And as I write, we are still subjects of that group of that satanic gangsters and their offspring who gathered together in Berlin, 1885. Yes, Turkey was there. Though, Portugal had to come knocking before she got a look in (laugh).
I am at a loss for words. I don’t get your RANT Saker:
I mean, the Belgian Congo (1885-1910). The European settler colonies of southern Africa (Cecil Rhodes – Rhodesia, Apartheid South – The Anglo/Dutch Zionists). The BESTIAL RAPE of Sudan by the Turks, The Italian invasion of Libya and the genocide inflicted on the indigenous Libyans (Africans, not black Africans, just Africans)! The 1936 invasion of Habesha/Ethiopia by Mussolini. The unleashing of the Foreign Legion by the French on what is today Francophone Africa. The British were more subtle in the lands colonised in western Africa. Oh! I could go on and on! Currently, the attack is biological warfare. AIDS/EBOLA! Hm?
No. I don’t get your RANT!
Salaam As Laikum
Thank you for reminding us all of some historical context.
Remember, the Europe you fantasized about wasn’t blameless, only its actions is finally catching up to it.
Read more of my blog and you will see that I already said that a million times. I even spoke of “Karmic elegance”. But you are conflating two things here: Europe, as an actor in history and the common people who are robbed or their home today.
Let me tell you this, as a Russian. Europe has been BY FAR the worst enemy of Russia. The most hateful, determined, racist, bigoted and genocidal. But we, Russians, feel sadness and compassion for what is being done to the people of Europe today. There is no such thing as collective guilt, or guilt by ancestry. Yes, there can be consequences and blowback, and I often wrote about these, but the INDIVIDUAL European is not in any way responsible for what European leaders have done in the past. If that is your belief, then I reject it.
Also, besides wars, imperialism and genocides, the European also gave us Bach, Vivaldi, Shakespeare, Orwell, de Falla, Rembrandt and Newton! We ought to never forget that and honor this culture for the heights it has achieved even when we remain aware of the lows it has sometimes descended to.
That is not my belief, I as I stated in my earlier post, they are victims themselves, however if we are being honest, too often average Europeans stay silent on the current policies of their leaders (probably because it has never hit home until now). Europe’s colonial policy is still very much at play, albeit more covert.
Take the Ukrainian fiasco for example, why isn’t there protest on the streets of western Europe? Do they not know that a E.U Ukrainian association will mean lower wages, more migration from Ukraine? At best, polls show that Europeans are split on the issue (on the motives that drove the Maidan, even after the “Yats is our guy leak”, Europeans still can’t call their elected officials to order? What excuse do the Germans have for not making their voices heard when it comes to the number of American bases all over Germany. The fact that they know their Chancellor’s phone call is being monitored and their security agencies work for a foreign country? And no mass protest to demand Germany’s independence? When will the English protest en masse the illegal arms sales to Saudi Arabia? An ongoing disastrous policy. I know one thing, if a million English citizens fill the streets of London, English policy on Saudi arms sale will change, may be not completely but will swing in the right direction.
So this isn’t really just about European history in Africa or the M.E, its about the lack of reaction to the death of Rights of Man, democracy, freedom, for both people outside of Europe and within. For democracy to work, the average European must educate himself/ herself and participate in it. They must ask themselves why the IMF, World Bank, the Hague, trade agreements…. and all the other institutions are necessary and how they work or not.
I wholeheartedly respect your sentiments and clarity on issues (the reason, I check this blog daily). I know you’ve written extensively about these topics but after reading the “Rant” and some of the comments, I thought I should add my contribution from a migrant’s perspective. Also, we won’t have a large number of second or third generation migrants without the past and ongoing policies of European leaders so it seems to me. The long term solution to this is for Europeans to demand that their leaders reverse their policies starting with the alignment with uncle Sam.
I thought I should add my contribution from a migrant’s perspective
Okay, sure, but please keep in mind that I was born in a family of political refugees – Russians who left their country at the end of the civil war. So I myself am a migrant too.
You are very right. Europeans get off too easy by simply blaming their leaders. Of all people in the world the Europeans/Americans have the greatest ability to influence the actions of their leaders, without risking life and limb.
Ordinary Europeans/Americans, live in a sea of knowledge but they remain ignorant. They have the internet, numerous alternative news sources, excellent analysts and blogs, including this one. But they take little advantage of it. They are ignorant by choice. They turn a blind eye because they want to enjoy the fruits of their global dominance. Whats a little massacre of far away brown people every now and then?
There is none so blind as he who will not see.
Ngoyo – you are absolutely right.
I say exactly that to my friends who won’t challenge the status quo – and have lost some because of it.
European ignorance throughout the length and breadth of the continent is wilful, by choice.
The only ‘excuse’ is that many are too anxious on a personal level to do anything – there is a dim awareness of lies. Deceit and fascist control of institutions, but a kind a general ‘ostrich’ mentality that hopes all the problems will just go away.
They won’t of course.
Things will have to get much worse before they really do anything.
“[..] When will the English protest en masse the illegal arms sales to Saudi Arabia? [etc]”
Oh, FFS! Do you work for a living, Mr/Miss Okuta? (Rhetorical question because I really don’t care either way).
But apparently according to you, Europeans [presumably, because you assume they’re all swimming in cash all day long, and have nothing better else to do] should have enough spare time to go out, organize and rally against: Arms sales to Gulf Monarchies, Injustices committed against Palestinians, all the various illegal wars started by the Hegemon, the EU/US interference in Ukraine, Yank bases in Germany (and else where)… am I forgetting anything else?
So, at what point these people get a chance to have a wash, something to eat, look after their children (if they have them), get some rest and go to work to pay for the bills that most certainly, no-one else will pay for them?
Then there’s this:
“I know one thing, if a million English citizens fill the streets of London, English policy on Saudi arms sale will change, may be not completely but will swing in the right direction [..]”
Sure… that’s why there was the ‘million people march’ against the war in Iraq in London, San Francisco, NYC and other places… and those were sooooo freaking effective to stop that tragedy from happening, as we all know… *eye-roll*
[I’m citing this link so you can have a taste of the magnitude of this world-wide protest. Not because I place any trust in the Times Magazine, nor I agree with the conclusions drawn at the end of the article, btw]
Viewpoint: Why Was the Biggest Protest in World History Ignored?
“Roughly 10 million to 15 million people (estimates vary widely) assembled and marched in more than 600 cities: as many as 3 million flooded the streets of Rome; more than a million massed in London and Barcelona; an estimated 200,000 rallied in San Francisco and New York City. From Auckland to Vancouver — and everywhere in between — tens of thousands came out, joining their voices in one simple, global message: no to the Iraq war [..]”
How many times do westerners have to come out en-masse, protest and rally with banners claiming ‘Not in my Name’ to satisfy people like yourself? [I suspect it’ll never be enough, right? Doesn’t matter what westerners do, or don’t, you’ll never be satisfied. BTW, and not that it matters, but I attended the anti-Iraq war march myself]
Where are the Muzzie mass-marches against terrorist attacks (including the latest one in Pakistan against Christians, killing 69 people and claiming scores of injured) with similar banners of; ‘not in our name’?
Well… there may be a few hashtags here and there, but in my book, that doesn’t class as a proper mass protest, I’m afraid (see how you like them apples!)
Oh! But, dog-forbid someone draws a cartoon and all over sudden we see mass marches all over the Muslim world.
Yeah… I see where their priories lay… a drawing = outrage – actual dead people = who cares? Plenty more where they came from, right? :/
The “home” we enjoy today is luxurious as a direct consequence of what our forebears did and our governments do now. Just as no Israeli civilian is directly responsible for the Nakba and its iniquitous continuation now, so none of us are directly responsible for how we acquired such a luxurious home and how it is now defended by fending off undesirables. I’m not sure this absolves us quite so easily as the comment here seems to imply in distinguishing between the individual and the collective.
(And for clarity it is probably better not to argue “as a Russian”, I would tentatively suggest – 1. individual personal experience/feelings/opinion don’t get us very far in discussing such generalisations and 2. it is confusing when you are one moment a true European mourning the passing of the pure European blood and soil/ culture/ tradition and the next a Russian (therefore non-European, you say) looking on from outside. Alternatively, the dual perspective of European + Russian provides a unique perspective (which sounds persuasive to me when accompanied with serious study rather than personal feelings and prejudice e.g. over what is “disgusting”). But surely you have to choose? (The question is not rhetorical and not intended to be snotty – genuine motion sickness as the perspectives slip and slide).
It seems worth to remember that TheEuropeans (TM) – gave the world exactly six heros of culture: three englishers (Shakespeare, the great freemason Newton, and MI5 agent Orwell), one more Germanic from the english vassal state of Holland (Rembrandt) and two Latin musicians (Vivaldi and de Falla) – PERIOD. Switzerland? France? The German Rhineland, except for Jozef Goebbels and Konrad Adenauer? Nothing!
Bach… is NOT a European(TM), because he was born, lived and worked in Adenauer’s and TheSaker’s nightmare, Ostelbien! Just like Mozart, Chopin, Luther, Hus, Komensky, Kopernik, Einstein, Curie, Herder, Hegel, Leibniz, Kant, Leibniz, Kleist, Jazykov, Dostoevskij, Westermann, Goethe, Bismarck, Stieber, Lenin, Dzierzynski, Ziolkowski, Lukaszewski, Pilsudski, Sobieski, Friedrich II, Karel IV, Tito, Dubcek, Walesa und Wojtyla, who, ditto, are, by geography, not like us, by no means Europeans, but also no Asians, no Arabs, no Swiss emigrants, no American immigrants, in sum nothing (“but this is not meant as contempt!”) – perhaps just droppings from mongolish ponies, whose owners enjoy yelling at all the brave burghers they meet: “You know what? Ja job tvoju matj! You are one of us! Come with us!”
If according to TheSaker’s persilschein philosophy world history is a game strictly between leaders, then we should free all Non-Europeans (except their leaders) from all hardships that those games bring forward – if we … excuse me, if the Europeans(TM) (southwest of the Limes), to which, alas, I do not belong… are not to pay for the sins or bad luck or failed dreams of their leaders, not one anything, then why should subjects of Non-European leaders pay ever anything for the sins or bad luck or failed dreams of their leaders? And since they do because they have to, why shouldn’t the subjects of our… pardon, your leaders do the same? And let’s not forget that the main culprits are the godless, reckless and brainless anglosaxons – the english and their five evil eyes including all of North America: letting them all pay for all the sins, bad luck and failed dreams of their leaders seems to be the only just and human solution.
If you have been following this site for a long time, then you know that Saker and other writers on this site are perfectly aware of how the migration situation is the result of Western policy in Asia and Africa. It is not necessarily to regurgitate this point each time the migration situation is brought up. Just because this situation is the result of Western policy does not mean that the populations of the Western (or specifically European in this case) countries are obligated to meekly accept a mass invasion from the global south. In almost all political systems, the ruling element makes policy and the masses largely go along with it. No one is purely innocent but innocence is not required to justify self-preservation otherwise very few would stay alive anywhere in the world.
Instead of indulging in emotional revenge over past wrongs, consider how is this migration situation going to end for the migrants? There are two possibilities:
1. The migrant populations crush and subjugate the Europeans along Ibn Khaldun’s model, in which case, the former really cannot continue to plead for any compassion for their sensitivities.
2. The Europeans eventually react in a coherent manner and crush the migrant populations (ultimately more probable in my view). At that point, the emotional satisfaction of taking historical revenge is not going to count for much.
Those are not the only two possibilities. The east/south is rising and the west declining. As this process continues crushing the migrants will become impossible. As to the migrants taking over, I dont see it either. A third possibility is that Europe will become a multicultural society. Not in the way it has tried to be. But defacto in a real way. where the “foreigners” will be powerful enough to defend their own rights and so will the natives.
The South is generally not rising. The East is. Neither China nor India will send an expeditionary force to intervene in European civil wars between natives and Afro-Arab migrants.
The third possibility that you propose might occur after hundreds of years have passed and the memories of the bloodshed have subsided enough for the migrants and the natives to create a new society the way that Germanic tribesmen and Romans did after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
The south is rising. Not as obviously or as fast as the East. But Africa has moved tremendously towards China and away from Europe and continues to do so. In 5-10yrs the drastic changes will become obvious.
Anyway its not that anybody will send expeditionary forces to Europe. Its that the countries of the EAst and south will defend the interests of those migrants. Using some of the tools the west has pioneered: Sanctions, shut the west out of their markets etc. Europe has always been able to enforce its will on those regions. But that power is eroding rapidly. Look at the difference between 2011 when they killed Gaddafi with impunity and a mere 5 years later when try as they might they can’t do the same to Assad. In another 5 years their power will be far less than it is today.
What will happen is that Europe will be unable to attack those migrants for fear of what their kith and kin in the South/East will do in retaliation. Sanctions international condemnation loss of markets etc etc. The same things the west does to recalcitrant countries today.
So, by your logic, the people today should suffer because someone in the past did something wrong? What kind of logic is that? If we would all think like that, then we might as well start world war 3 now and annihilate everything because you will not find a country with no blood on their hands in history.
That´s kinda human nature you know. Also, what do people mean if they say things like this? Every country in Europe or the usual imperialistic nations? I mean seriously…i don´t get this kind of thing. This is the same nonsense that is going on in Germany since the end of WW2. Let´s all blame the kids today for what their grandparents did 80 years ago…yeah sounds about righ. /sarcasm
” Should the Sub-Saharan or African just stay in their wretched land and continually take the abuse from the puppet governments the Europeans have installed in those countries? ”
The big answer to that is “yes” they should remain there. But not to take that abuse you speak of. But instead to rise up, hang their abusers,and correct that abuse. Nothing will change for the better in those countries if all the people who are able to, just leave for Europe. Where not only are they not wanted. But they will never get the life they deserve for themselves,their families,and their countries.
It seems you don’t follow events in the third world close enough. The fact is that people in those countries have tried and some are still trying but they inevitably fail, you know why they fail? They fail because European leaders and the U.S instructs their puppets to crush their opposition and if they fail to do it, they’ll come in and do it themselves. Please read up on how the Pan-African movement was crushed, read the news from a few years ago, when the IMF instructed the largest country in Africa to curb oil subsidy for its poor people, never mind the whole of the western hemisphere enjoys all kinds of subsidy. Remember Hugo Chavez and how they are blockading Venezuela? What crimes do you suppose they committed? Lastly, take the case of Haiti, one of the poorest countries in the world, twice they elected overwhelmingly Aristides and twice he was deposed by the American government, first by Clinton (a democrat) and then by Bush (a republican).
Do you know why Aristides was deposed? He main policy was to ban the importation of Sugar. You see one of the few things the Haitians have in abundance is Sugarcane, yet for decades they have a policy of importing sugar from the U.S ( American farmers need a place to dump their sugar). Which raise the cost of sugar for the average poor Haitian by a factor of 10. Aristides campaigned on developing agriculture and promoting locally made sugar. Which goes against the American policy, just think about that for a minute, How much do you think loosing the sugar trade to Haiti will cost the Americans? So if they aren’t willing to let Haiti get away with something this trivia, imagine what length they will go to protect their interest in Africa (rich with natural resources and crude) or the M.E (rich with crude). Yet, you see Americans in Florida and New York complain that there are too many Haitians coming across the ocean. Will they still come if there isn’t interference in their local economy? Probably but I suspect not in the same numbers.
Btw, Nigeria one of the largest producers of crude in the world isn’t allowed to have a refinery, they must sell export crude tot he west and import (with loans from the west) Petrol, Kerosene, Diesel…… Please people, its okay to vent your frustrations, but please do it only after educating yourselves on the deeds of your Elected officials. As one commenter already stated, the only people that can safely oppose their leaders without loosing limbs happen to live in the west. I am not trying to excuse the immigrants, I just hope the vitriol will be channeled in the right direction.
Throughout history people rise up,are crushed,rise up again,are crushed,rise up again,until they get it right.Dozens,maybe hundreds of rebellions happen in countries. And then finally,one succeeds and it changes the World for a while. But what never, ever, works is for people to desert their country. Maybe it marginally helps that individual for a while. But for their nation,and people,it only harms them more.
I totally agree with you. However, rebellion will not come from France because France is no longer populated with French.
Speaking as a ‘Catho’ in France, I share your sentiments about Europe and its lost glory. It is now just a museum of beautiful churches and beautiful archtecture losing its great heritage of culture and faith.
I place the blame on the universal apostosy, which is why the same rot is not comfined to Europe. It is the spread of what used to be called communism: atheistic materialism. What we are seeing now are the consequences of what found its most perfect expression in the French revolution which, as I understand it, was a Masonic project to destroy Catholicism. Now we have the same goal being pursued by the weapon of jihadism. The goal has always been to wipe out any trace or remnant of the Christian faith. They have succeded so well that many young French are not only not baptized, but have absolutely no idea of Christianity whatsoever. I was asked today what is ‘Pâques’ by a young person.
I believe that jihadism is being used as a divine scourge for the apostasy and the resulting sins that are given legal approval in many countries, particularly in Europe. I realize that materialism as a philosophical doctrine is the dominant ideology of our age, and that it is entirely rational, which is its great appeal for thinking persons. But things are also known by their consequences. People are starting to question materialism as well as to see the hidden hand of tyranny that lies behind the allure of ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity’ in our modern democratic states.
I place the blame on the universal apostosy,
I completely agree. Europe will only resurrect if it turns back to God, like the Prodigal Son.
You have to understand of course that even if we all return to the Romish church it may not cut it with many Orthodox. I suppose we just have to hold our breath and wait and see what God thinks…
The main theological contention between the Orthodox and the Roman Church is the filioque doctrine. I have no real understanding of this, but I feel more in common with the Orthodox than, for example, with the Protestants. If I, as a Christian were to accept Protestant beliefs, I would have grave doubts about even the possibility of salvation. However, I don’t see that with the Orthodox who even accept the Assumption. I wish we could be together–this is a painful division.
You may accept the Orthodox. The Orthodox may not accept you.
And, oh dear, I’m doomed.
I cannot thank you enough for your rant. You, knowing Europe in ways I do not but by reading, photos, do not hurt more than I do, seeing clearly how it was and is now being carefully destroyed so that it is never capable of resurrecting itself or of repairing it’s damage. America ethnic cleansing of Europe planned for hundreds of years, first from England. Key to that utter destruction is the erasure of Russia, the golden goose of Europe, it’s repeat protector, the odd man out who has answers, checks and balance schemes, that work.
In fact the plan to remake all European identity, the US reworking of the Hitler re-education plan, mandates the removal of Russia….completely.
I writing from parameters of who, why and how of our debased present, feel unsafe concentrating on what I have lost (maybe 20 assassinated) or the expressions, emotions, of pain, sorrow. So, I don’t. Passion distorts, or easily can do so. How this desecration is happening, where and how actually it started. In the beginnings, the reasons give rise to the shapes of things…people…responses. I have found over a lifetime of questioning, many answers….to who, why and how.
The history and reasoning behind the set up 9/11 is key to the desecration of Europe, the Middle East, South America, Asia, Africa. We humans cannot afford to lose our human identities, that is what is at stake.
Your rant helped clarify that, thank you again.
Well thanks for saying it all straight from the liver … some I recognize … lets take that first … the Eastern European countries I agree are far from Western Europe.The Eastern European countries are all so so so different from one another… and from Western Europe.. Poland, and the three little ones hm hm hm like Poland hates everyone… they were all let into to EU as Trojan horses to help USA and NATO keep EU in their clutch……
Russia that we were brainwashed to fear in the 50’s … (the Russians are coming )… Russia the more I get to know it the more I love it and feel it is European – the humour, landscapes, some very much like Denmark.. climate too… the culture real culture… poets… authors of books, the music, the ballets, the awesome castles… their love of Russia, like I love Denmark.. like the French love France …
UK never was part of Europe.. agree…I always say Europe and UK … !!!
Now comes the things I see different…from you… I like to have all these different cultures in Denmark for purely selfish reasons… I lived and worked 45 years in Africa and Asia and it feels like home to have an assortment of them in Denmark…
I used to be happy and proud of saying “I am Danish”… out there in those 35 countries I worked in
now I don’t, I am ashamed…..
Our government with the parties that support it are just like EU: Fascist. AND I HATE THAT…
When Anker Joergensen who just died 93 years old… when he was PM we had real social democracy… he was a great guy… who came from a worker family.. never went to a stupid university… he was honest and worthy of trust. 80% of the politicians today in DK are not honest and not worthy of trust… and until we the people wake up and decide to get direct democracy and then go ahead and make it happen… we shall continue down hill…and I think it is the same for all the other countries in Western Europe…
Besides I don’t give EU 5 years… it will disintegrate, or explode and that is good…
NATO… the evil monster – with direct democracy it will go too.
I concur with everything you have said. Bravo.
I too remember the Europe of my youth…1963 through 1970… Much as Saker says – and while I might hold opinions that differ in small ways from his, overall, I agree.
If history is a guide, then there’s a terrible inter-nation conflict a-brewing, being brewed – and yes, the uprising of national and cultural forces will, I expect, begin in France (though parts of Germany may also make themselves known).
I understand that it is not “correct” to say non-pc things. Nevertheless it is simply stating a fact the the nordic and anglo-saxon amd Slavic races are, in history, about as tough and aggressive as any on the planet. They are fated to rise-up, if genetics matters at all. And genetics matters – you don’t buy a wolf to guard sheep, do you?
Good, if sad, “rant”, Brother Saker!
“I understand that it is not “correct” to say non-pc things.”
I wish people would just turn around and stop with that “Pc” thing. If you have an opinion sound it out, Political correctness is oppressive and censorship in itself.
If one gets offended and demands you change that for him/her, said person is just openly showing that they can´t control their own feelings and want you to take care of that for them.
“Political correctness” bah.
You place the blame on (french) banks and zionists. But it is as much the result of Western Europe’s colonial policies in the early centuries, and a natural blowback of those policies. The Russian view is very much this – i.e. “Europe deserves this, they created their colonies, now its time to pay the price.”
important analysis of the need for centralism to gain security in Belgium and a final discussion about nuclear power plant security. ( what better suicide bomb than one of those?)
We need more people speaking out about the present day manipulations that are going on. The Anglo/Zionist threat is very serious to all of us. Never apologize for speaking about the truth, just keep up the good work.