by Scott Humor
If you want to know my opinion that hasn’t changed since 2014. The Boeing flight MH17 was shot down by the Ukrainian air force fighter jets, but not necessarily piloted by Ukrainian pilots. It was a CIA and NATO operation to frame Russia. Most likely the Dutch government was a part of this operation.
Now, they are trying to hang all the dogs on Waltzman -Poroshenko, because neither the Dutch monarchs, nor the CIA would fancy to be incriminated in this crime.
Poroshenko is a dead man walking, especially after banning the Russian social media, which is where every Ukrainian lives.
Germany is pressing Ukraine to get back and start cooperating with Russia in terms of trade, because otherwise is a total alles kaput.
That’s why someone from CIA or NATO is leaking the documents to “Sovershenno sekretno,” which is not a pro-Putin publication. I am certain that these documents are real, and that all they do is to implicate in this horrible crime a few low level Lugansk regional SBU officers, the country bumpkins.
May 9th leak of personnel data of the Luganst Regional SBU office was the first hint. I posted two videos, thinking that these could be the beginning of something bigger. I was right.
No doubt that we will see more documents and even witnesses coming forward.
The following is the translation of an article SBU orders to destroy all evidence of the conducted special operation
Below are images of 4 «цiлком таемнiх» («top secret») documents generated by the Security Service of Ukraine
The newspaper “Under Absolute Secrecy” got hold of photocopies of documents generated by the Security Service of Ukraine SBU pertinent to the special operation commenced by the SBU in order to find and destroy all the evidence of mass murder that took place in the sky over the Donbas on July 17, 2014.
The newspaper “Sovershenno sekretno” initiated its own investigation title:
“Unwrapping The Mystery a mystery of the Boeing MH17 crash. The operation of the Security Service of Ukraine “Clean up” Part 1
– Order to conduct the following special procedures in order to destroy the facts of a special operation.
– Order to carry out effective preventive measures among witnesses of special operations that were conducted on July 17, 2014.
– Order to identify and detain witnesses of the civil aircraft explosion.
– Order to redeploy and regroup the servicemen who were deployed to serve their official duties in the territory of the village Grabovo, Donetsk region.
– As part of a special operation, command to destroy all materials that indicate the presence of a combat aircraft having carried out combat missions in the specified area on July 17, 2014.
THE SOURCE OF THESE PHOTOCOPIES
First, we reacted to these documents with skepticism. Most of them, judging by the holes punched in a side, were extracted from some folders and photographed. The orders, encrypted telegrams, plans and decrees are written on the official forms with official trident-crowned letterhead of “Служба Безпеки Украiни” which means the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), as well as on the ordinary sheets of A4 paper. All of the documents contain signatures, resolutions, file numbers and seals. The materials generated by the secret bureaucracy of the Ukrainian “безпеки” or security have fallen into our hands, and these explosive materials should lead to the international scandal and should bring the President of Ukraine Poroshenko and his generals on the defenders bench of the tribunal at the Hague as war criminals.
The person who handed us these documents appeared out of nowhere and disappeared into nowhere. During our several meetings in the course of a month he changed five phone SIM cards and changed his email address three times.
When asked why he decided to leak the documents to us, he replied that he knows and respects us as journalists of the newspaper “Sovershenno sekretno”.
When asked who he is and how he managed to get the secret SBU documents, he answered something like this: “This is an intermediate result of a long and diligent work. In Ukraine, I have several old friends, who are sick and tired of being set up and walked all over. These guys are finicky, however, on one hand they want these bastards to get what deserve, but on the other hand, they want a small safety net. That’s why they want some money for these documents.” After he mentioned money, we got a bit sad. The financial power of our editorial office and our partner the Journalist Agency for Federal Investigations FLB.ru are rather modest. “Believe me,” he told us. “I personally just want those SBU bastards to get what they deserve.”
Copies of the documents looked legitimate. Later, we gave them over to one of the Lubyanka (Moscow city Criminal Police Department) experts for examination, and he pointed out that all of the documents had been drawn up according to the rules of record management that go back to the KGB. Many senior employees of the security service of Ukraine are the former employees of KGB. Of course the authenticity of these documents can be established not by journalists, or even a Police expert, but by the court appointed investigators, who must study the original orders and decrees, without sanitization made in our case, apparently for operative purposes and for security reasons.
What’s important for us that finally after three years since the plane crash the names of real witnesses and probably real executors of this murder are beginning to emerge. That’s why today you have the opportunity to read copies of 4 completely criminal orders issued by the Security Services of Ukraine.
And that’s why, we have no choice, the newspaper “Sovershenno sekretno” announces a public investigation ““Let’s uncover the secret of Boeing MH17 crash.”
Only with your help we can get other criminal orders, encrypted telegrams and decrees. The international commission for investigation of the Malaysian Boeing 777 crash in the Netherlands does not want to work, and distorts and classifies the investigation results. Let’s all help to find out what had happened, or at least get closer to the truth. The truth is about how those 298 people who died.
These four photocopies allow us to draw three preliminary groundbreaking conclusions.
The first conclusion is: that the new Kiev authorities are responsible for the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing 777 MH17 flight. President Poroshenko and his generals have been hiding the truth and lying for the last 3 years.
The second conclusion is that the Ukraine’s military aviation is involved in this resonant plane crash.
The third conclusion is that in order to cover up the traces of this monstrous crime, starting with the end of July 2014 the SBU undertook measures to destroy the facts of this special operation and all the materials indicating the presence of a combat aircraft having carried out combat missions on July 17, 2014.
Dozens of people were involved in this special operation of downing the aircraft and the subsequent “cleanup”; there were hundreds of unwitting witnesses among the military personnel of the Ukrainian army. We hope that sooner or later they will speak up.
In the meantime we expect that within the next month or so we will be able to obtain other documents from the depths of the Ukrainian “безпеки” (security) and the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense that will point at the real culprit of the MH17 flight crash.
SPECIAL SBU OPERATION TO LIQUIDATE THE EVIDENCE
We are posting the SBU secret documents in the chronological order the way they were issued. The photocopies of originals are accompanied by the Russian translation. As it is stated in one of the orders, the start of the “cleanup” operation was given three days after the shooting of the aircraft, on July 20, 2014. It was on this day when the first deputy director of the SBU Colonel General Vasily Sergeyevich Gritsak approved the “Plan for the main organizational, counterintelligence and special investigation measures of the DKR SBU dated 20.07.2014 No. 1 / 1-837.” (DKR is counterintelligence department of the SBU. We do not have the copy of this Gritsak’s plan yet, but hope that we will get it – FLB)
Document No. 1
Top Secret (without supplement - for official use only) Copy №1 Personally to the Head of KRP Office of the DKR SBU Kiev (KRP DKR is Office of counterintelligence search of counterintelligence department – FLB) Stamp: Security Service of Ukraine Ref. No. 1/978 dated 22.07.2014 Resolution: <...> As part of the ATO in this territory of the Lugansk region I ask you to transfer the materials to the DKR SBU, Kiev.
In regarding to the initiation of the case of the counterintelligence investigation “Katsap”[Katsap is derogative for “Russian”]
Based on the order of the Security Service of Ukraine from 02.09.2003 No. 0012 and the directive of the Director of SBU dated 05.08.2009 No. 3/1855 “On certain problems and issues in the organization of work on counterintelligence cases,” we report that on July 22, 2014 we initiated the case of the counterintelligence investigation “Katsap” No. 1/1044 regarding a citizen of Ukraine, the head of one of the state enterprises. The case is classified as “intelligence activity of special services of foreign states, organizations, and groups of persons against Ukraine” and it has been filed by the counterintelligence department of the Security Service of Ukraine in Lugansk region.
The reason for initiating this case was the operational data obtained during the counterintelligence investigation in the problem areas of the Lugansk region, which indicates the involvement of this subject with the special services of RF in order to destroy the state system of Ukraine, as it is shows in the behavior and actions of the subject.
From persons, who confidentially cooperate with the Security Services of Ukraine, we obtain information that the subject “Katsap” has the regular contacts with representatives of the terrorist organization of the LNR (Luganst People’s Republic). Namely the object has periodic contacts with <…>
In addition, “Katsap” communicates with representatives of the mass media of foreign countries (RF, the European Union) in which he indicates that he is a direct witness and has evidence of law violations conducted by the Ukrainian army and aviation, namely of the shooting down of the civil aircraft on 17.07.2014.
In daily activities he uses conspiracy methods, possibly has several national passports, periodically changes home addresses. These features of the behavior of the object further indicate his possible involvement with the national security services of foreign states.
“Katsap” has stable connections among representatives of local authorities, law enforcement agencies and regulatory bodies of the region and accordingly has real opportunities to influence the environment and to obtain diverse intelligence information.
The information received indicates that “Katsap” probably owns information that can cause damage to the state and be used by the Russian national special service.
- Plan of counterintelligence measures for SKP “Katsap” No. 1/1044, c/c No. 1, Identification No. 1/4 -2948 from 22.07.2014, secret, in 3 (three) sheets.
Head of the SBU Department
for Lugansk region
colonel М. Grek «22» July 2014 ”
As you can see, one high-ranking Ukrainian state official has been targeted the officers of the SBU department for the Lugansk region that were conducting a special operation. A week after the Boeing crash, on July 22, the operational case “Katsap” was filed against him. As it follows from this document “Katsap” interested “безпеку” (security) mainly because he “is a direct witness and has evidence of law violations by the Ukrainian army and aviation, namely of the shooting down of the civil aircraft on 17.07.2014”. We do not know yet what happened to this witness.
Document No. 2
Office KRP DKP SBU Urgent Top Secret (urgency mark) (classification) Outgoing encrypted telegram No. 6130 From: Kiev, UKRP SBU Destination: Lugansk Recipient: Head of Office SBU for Lugansk region Mr. Grek М.
Regarding the detention of witnesses
(in addition to ET No. 6138 from 24.07.2014)
In pursuance of the instructions of the Director of the SBU “on identification and detention of witnesses” of the incident occurred on July 17, 2014, near village Grabovo, Donetsk region, operative support of materials regarding a special operation in the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions is carried out by the Office KRP DKR .
It has been established that there are actual witnesses of the shooting down of the civilian aircraft, some persons are identified and detained, but at the same time the Office has received data that one of the servicemen who is located in the territory of the Lugansk region has videotaped this event.
In this regard, we ask you to identify and detain a person from among the military personnel who made a photo-video recording of the event.
In the future we ask you to report on the situation directly to the UKRP DKR of the Security Service of Ukraine.
Head of department No. 4 UKRP
DKR SB of Ukraine
colonel Kalchenko R.
The signature is correct cap. Vaskov S.S.
Subscription No. 073 24.07.2014
Executor Arrived at 17.00 24.07.2014
Vaskov S.S. Encrypted at 17.00 24.07.2014
(head department) (Signature of encrypting person)
Tel. No. 7-21 Special notebook No. 11 Page No. 27
As you remember, some witnesses of the “shooting down of the civilian aircraft” were the inhabitants of settlements in the area of the plane crash .
They were shown by the Russian mass media and they testified that on the day of the tragedy the locals heard explosions and saw the fighter jets. But does anyone know about the fate of the Ukrainian soldier who took pictures of the Ukraine air force military aircrafts attack on the Boeing flight MH17 and who was searched for by the Ukrainian counterintelligence on July 24?
As our operational source told us — this man was called Vyacheslav, he had the rank of sergeant, served in one of the mortar element of ATO. Vyacheslav made photos of “shooting down of the civil aircraft” by using his smartphone Apple iPhone 4. (We hope to get these pictures – Ed.)
We speak about him in the past tense because this sergeant died, and he died under strange circumstances. Vyacheslav was shot by a sniper when he was outside of the combat zone. At the time of his death Vyacheslav was the only junior rank among the senior officers surrounding him. His personal effects were immediately taken away by SBU officers, but the day before, as our source said, Vyacheslav managed to transfer photos to his acquaintance – commander of the mortar element of the military unit A1556, warrant officer Andrei Vladimirovich Drozd. (Interim commander of the m/u A1556 – Lieutenant Colonel I. Stakhiv, in the Russian transcription he most likely is Stakhov).
According to the same information, warrant officer Drozd as the commander of the mortar regiment received an order for nonstop mortar shelling of the Boeing crash area. In addition, it is known that for some time he was in the hospital due to a leg wound.
We bring up here all these details because warrant officer Andrei Drozd is a valuable witness and we hope very much that “preventive work” wasn’t carried out with him the same way as it was, allegedly, conducted against his colleague Vyacheslav by a sniper bullet. Lieutenant Colonel I. Stakhiv is also a valuable witness.
To be continued….
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A great article and truly I hate to be pedantic, but please review your use of the word “implement” and consider using instead the word “implicate,” which is what I think you intended to say.
BTW a while back Bellingcat released a couple of videos appeared showing a Ukrainian Buk battery travelling through Donetsk oblast. Pictures of it on station somewhere near Donetsk appeared in social media on July 15, just days before the shoot down. This contradicts totally the early Ukraine statements that they had no Buks in the area and any present must have been Russian.
Video of Buk battery travelling through Mirgorod in April 2014
Early Russian military reports immediately after the incident also indicated a Buk was positioned in the right place to shoot down the MH17. It was located on the northern edge of the 2 km square identified much later by Almaz Antey as the most likely location for the Buk launcher, based on shrapnel pattern analysis and simulation.
Ukranian “anti-terrorist” promo video which was shown on TV.
One day beforere MH17 was shot down on 17th July.
From official Ukrainian military channel: 4:47 seems like an active BUK system to me.
No smoke trail – no Buk .
Thank you T1. This is exactly the introduction to the discussion. There is nothing to sustain the BUK theory.
The Americans are throwing Poroshenko “under the bus” and making him the fall guy/patsy for the MH177 shoot down.
Meanwhille, the masterminds in Washington DC and Brussels who planned and orchestrated this false fllag attack will try to escape blame.
Just like Sept. 11th attack or perhaps the recent Manchester Arena bombing.
I said while the wreckage was still burning that the Ukes shot it down using one or two fighters. Locals spoken to on the spot clearly said they saw two small aircraft following the Boeing and heard them fire their cannon.
The damning evidence is the left cockpit outer panel, recovered pretty much intact and photoed numerous times during the afternoon of the first day. That panel clearly shows entrance and exit holes for medium size weapons as would be carried on ex Soviet aircraft in use by the Ukes.
All the aftermath is just smoke and mirrors to hide what the Ukes did on orders from Langley.
Never The Last One, a deep look in to Russian culture and her armed forces.
An Incident On Simonka, NATO Is Invited To Leave
After hrs of readings, study of the wreckage photos, and the various hacks and leaks out of Ukraine at the time I came to agree with the theory that 2 Georgian SU-25s did the job.
These were modified in Israel for hi-altitude work (oxygen system installed) and equipped with Israeli Python missiles and modern avionics. The two Georgian planes were observed in Dniepropetrovsk airfield the day before the shootdown, and then disappeared.
The Python is designed to detonate a few meters before it hits the target, spraying a tight pattern of small projectiles. Its passive radar guidance would target the nosecone where the Boeing’s radar resides.
Whether the pilots were Georgian, Israeli, or otherwise, and where they got their orders is open to further speculation. I will note that there were damning leaks from Kolomoyskyi’s aides, and the tape of his hoaxed interview wherein he all but admitted culpability. He is, or was, basically the “owner” of the region where the hit took place.
More on Israeli involvement in Georgia – way back to 2008:
NATO is responsible for the terror attack against MH17. Like in 1980 when NATO shot down Itavia Flight 870, sabotaged the investigation and murdered witnesses.
Everything after day one was CIA/EU and Ukro-Fascist smoke and mirrors.
Totally right !!!
Brilliant work on the MH 17 tragedy. Russia has secret facts on this tragedy, that were on the internet right after the downing of MH 17 which I and many others watched. The US demonisation of Russia has much to do with the American involvment with the MH 17 tragedy. For instance, the special pilots who piloted the two military jets (Ukrainian) that supported the MH 17 as they took it to the field of battle where is was blown apart releasing the last of the whole dead bodies, were American crack pilots wearing Ukrainian military uniforms.As to the involvement of the royals of Netherlands, this is unlikely as they , so alarmed at the US/Nazi coup of Ukraine, flew to see Putin against vehement USA “advise” not to go. More likely, Rutte, the Netherlands Prime minister, at US orders, made sure peaceful Netherlands was complicit with the mass tragedy.
The dirty role of the Netherlands in Ukraine is hardly ever mentioned. They funded Homradske TV bigtime and the Novaya Gazetta, both nasty anti Russia media outlets. Togehter with Soros.
The Dutch government is also complicit in the funding of the Novaya Gazeta.
The authorities of the Netherlands may have a significant influence on the editorial policy of “Novaya Gazeta”. How do I find “News”, in 2012, “Novaya Gazeta”, along with the online edition of the “Caucasian Knot” received direct state support from the Netherlands government. This is evidenced by the report, posted on the official website of the Dutch government.
During the year, the downed Malaysian Boeing was mentioned in more than 100 publications of Novaya Gazeta; the majority of publications were of an anti-Russian character.
That explains why “Novaya Gazeta” asked for forgivness for MH17 and by doing so blamed Russia.
What implicates the Netherlands directly is obstructing the investigation. They left bodies rot in the field for too long; they cut the remaining bits of the plane (which should never be done) before transporting them to their hangar; they did not allow journalists near that hangar and when they did, they controlled completely what they showed; they were releasing the “evidence” in pathetic portions of the kind that “the plane was destroyed by objects of high energy”; they did everything to stop lawyers working on behalf of the victims’ families; they excluded Malaysia from the investigation but included Ukraine – the main suspect.
And above all, they managed to get their gold back from America in the same year (was that a “thank you” for some favours?).
Lol, there’s a lot of intoxication. Malaysia knows that some facts were wipped out from the report. Australia knows that ukrainian army used civil fly’s as protection. SBU cleaned it maybe up, but it leaked out from the beginning. SBU slashed the air controlers, but some om them has talked before. Fly route was modified and not by Eurocontrol. Poroschenko gave a cover to the ukrainian army by the declaration there was no fly of army that day (I have internet links of that day in contradiction with what he said). The report is not serious because Ukraine what playing part on it.
So long Ukraine did not tell the truth, I say the only good ukrainian (removed,MOD). Sorry for the good people who are not fighting, but it is unacceptable for me that the truth is masked.
Many perpetrators and planners must have been implicated, and even more for the cover up. Photos made by so-called passengers of MH17 before boarding had been photoshopped to make the company callsign of Malaysian MH17 look like another but similar plane in service of this company. An investigative journalist from the Netherlands says to be sure that a switch has taken place in Ukrainian airspace before that other AC was taken down and that the crashed AC was in fact the MH370 or its doppelgänger that had been acquired and stored before in Israel.
Many witnesses on the ground of just after the crash told that the victims weren’t freshly deceased. So the Dutch investigation and coroner’s work must be completely falsified and the original MH17 and its passengers (if not murdered afterwards) should still be around somewhere.
Scott, you never disappoint.
I hope more will come out soon.
Zionist false flags are per definition never solved, no matter who many centuries pass.
Note that these high-level Intel operation can be reconstructed quite easily to a high degree of veracity, and become common knowledge within dedicated interest groups, but the politburo will never allow – at any cost – for these insights, findings and truths to enter the sphere of public discourse and public opinion.
Therefore we could say: The ‘public discourse’ is the (heavily policed) ‘published discourse’.
The circle is starting to close slowly down even it doesn’t look like that…….
You see the problem of overexposure is that the world’s establishment leadership favors hiding the obvious supposition….That MH17 was downed by uki/israeli joint citizen/s as a news cover for ‘Operation Protective Edge’ which was gathering large amounts of bad press at that time, and which thereby was driven off the front page.
….Tawdry to think that life could be so cheap for some….So I’ll play the fool like a record stuck on repeat….I mean a country that took half a century to conceive in theft, murder & mayhem is a terrorist state? Who would have known. ….Life….
First there was MH370. The Malaysians have caused trouble for years with their intransigence over outsiders and ASEAN…TPP no go zone…so softening them up with a hacked autopiloted plane was a great way to kick things off…and luckilly Australia had a terrific little warmonger Prime Minister in the name of Tony Abbott…who was quite handilly on song again a few months later wanting to secure the crash site for MH17…it chills ones blood to hear his eulogy for the MH17 victims…a time to live and a time to die…
“I am certain that these documents are real, and that all they do is to implement in this horrible crime a few low level Lugansk regional SBU officers, the country bumpkins”.
The CIA are always meticulously careful to build in at least one layer of cut-outs – often several. You may be virtually certain they are responsible for a given crime, but proof will usually be elusive – unless a big cheese is turned (and kept alive until he has testified).
I can see that this shows that the “evidence” collected by he Ukrainian SBU is completely bogus.
But we knew that anyway, and it was never going to pass the judgement of any court.
What I don’t see is how this changes the odds for who dunnit. The SBU was going to make up false evidence to prove Russian guilt (as opposed to Kiev guilt, Nato guilt or even just Rebel guilt or a screw up), whatever the truth is.
As i remember the MH17 attack, it was the timing of it that struck me. The Donbass Militia had not only thwarted the Ukrainian military offensive they had destroyed them at Saur Mogila and also where they had attempted to encircle the Donbass Militia by moving along the Russian border from the Mariupol direction and were utterly destroyed, encircled and routed. At that point when the US didn’t know as to whether the militia was going to keep going and attempt to retake Novorossiyan territory up to Kharkov and or west to Odessa, they changed the dynamic by shooting down the plane and blamed the militia and Russia.I don’t know enough about signals and aviation to go in to any detail but i also remember VVPutin happened to be in the vicinity, flying home from a successful Brics meeting that had just announced the launch of the new Brics Bank etc etc. I hope and pray that one day soon the hegemon either falls in to a carefully constructed trap of Chinese or Russian origin or makes a mistake in their cover up that exposes their evil machinations to the western publics lazy eyes.
Your recollection is correct. The battlefield momentum was on the side of the militia, and this event was tactical. It froze the militia. It changed the war, particularly the information war component. Russia became the object of blame, Putin also.
As for justice, the hegemon meeting up with its rightful ending, I don’t think it will be happening.
Too much of the world’s elites are part of the hegemonic system. The accumulation of wealth and resulting power is all aligned with hegemony.
We can hope that the Eurasian development and OBOR New Silk Road offset the Hegemon. The dynamics of Russia with China are just now forming with attractive force.
We see Egypt and Libya attracted to it. We see Philippines and South Korea (ironically, after the ousting of Mrs. Park) attracted to it. Even the trickster PM Abe is attracted to it.
The best we can hope for in the near term is that the sagacity of Pres. Putin and Pres. Xi can win over and hold the Asian-Pacific as they add the MENA to their spheres of influence. Then, with the Eurasian landmass and emerging economies of Central and South Asia begin to move into first moves toward development, the Hegemon will be unable to contain the Bear and the Dragon-Panda.
Our destiny is with Vladimir and Jinping. Their civilizations, 1 and 5 millennia respectively, rich in human wisdom and tragedy, have great potential to reverse the Hegemon’s moves.
We see this in Syria, Donbass, South China Sea, and maybe even North Korea.
The Hegemon wants and is fully capable of constant Chaos. What the monster does not want is War with the Eurasian Double Helix. Even the most vile species has instincts for survival.
This is SBU/SBU-proxy (e.g., Bellingcat) disinformation or psy-op. There are numerous deliberate mistakes that would be “debunked” after labeling the material Russian propaganda. It is the same modus operandi as the Zaroshchenske telegram, quite likely a Bellingcat fabrication, see how quick the debunk comes from “Lena” https://mobile.twitter.com/AricToler/status/774290709105012736
One funny mistake is the idea that a fighter jet intercepting MH17 could be captured on an iPhone.
See the comments for more information: http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/5703/ and http://mh17.webtalk.ru/viewtopic.php?id=460&p=27#p62138
I would like to add to this discussion that I remember watching RT the day this happened. I recall some Babushka saying something about “the bodies hit the ground and there was no blood. Why no blood?” I personally don’t have any explanation for this. Could someone in the community please supply commentary and links about this?
Thanks Jac Cuse. Interesting video! It’s actually quite convincing. It seems to be the one logical explanation that puts all the knowns together.
“– Order to redeploy and regroup the servicemen who were deployed to serve their official duties in the territory of the village Grabovo, Donetsk region.”
There were no Ukrainian government service men deployed to/stationed at Garbovo at the time of the shoot down.
At one time a fake satellite pic of a fighter jet shooting at MH17 appeared on the internet. This appears the same.
There are now plenty of high definition photos of all recovered wreckage on the internet, and although there were most certainly fighter jets/SU-25 in the close vicinity, the shrapnel patten and scorching point to a missile rather than cannon fire. Almaz-Antey have reproduced the same damage as what occured to MH17.
Как приятно, что есть честные люди на западе, которые не подвержены антироссийской пропаганде и предпочитают во всем педантично и беспристрастно разбираться сами. Раньше мне казалось, что русских никто не слышит, что наша правда никому не интересна и не нужна, и это очень расстраивало. Ваши статьи – бальзам на сердце. Спасибо)
Здравствуйте Наташа. Как нашли The Saker?
Working on the usual basis, that nothing is true until it has been officially denied, we actually got the story direct from the horse’s mouth before the recently dead victims on MH17 were cold.
Here in NZ we actually had on radio a sound-bite of Hilary Clinton saying “Putin has gone too far this time”.
As if further proof were needed .. . .
And Abel Danger set out in detail the modus operandi used to achieve the desired outcome.
It will indeed be a turning point if the truth were to become widely known . . . . so expect false flag distractions to occupy the media for quite some time, until this is buried.
The Saker! I would take any article from SovSekretno with a barrel of salt. It is a gossips newspaper. Possibly this leak is a dump, a forgery. There is little doubt that MH17 was SBU&CIA false flag. However spreading unreliable evidence like this would weaken our cause. I urge you to either remove it from your site, or verify the evidence for yourself. Most sincere regards, Sergey Tokarev.
I agree that SovSekretno is not a reliable source but then, most mainstream media aren’t. I post it here “for info” not as an endorsement.
“Germany is pressing Ukraine to get back and start cooperating with Russia in terms of trade, because otherwise is a total alles kaput.”
Russia should avoid cooperation until the current regime in Ukraine is ousted or collapses. Russia should not be an enabler in this evil.
Why is the US Special Forces Command taking a disturbing interest in Russian weapons?
How Come USSOCOM Grew Fond of Russia’s Weapons?
MH370 and MH17 were the same plane – Planes just don’t disappear !!
Rolls Royce monitor the jet engines 24/7 via satellite – they KNOW where a Boeing is at ANY given moment !
This is the second time I’ve seen a mention of a SBU colonel called Katsap who operated out of Lugansk and leaked documents to the media and to German private detective Josef Resch. The first time was July 2016.
The articles about Katsap aren’t in English. Katsap apparently is (was?) a double agent. I’m not sure. Here are the links in case someone reading this has a working knowledge of Dutch or Chinese.
My gut feeling is that the leaker Katsap is working for Russia. This assumption puts Russia behind the new leaks, not NATO/CIA. Why would NATO/CIA want to burn down part of their own house? Poroshenko is a complete disaster for Ukraine, which is what they want. They’re unlikely to turn against him unless he goes off the reservation by attempting to run Ukraine as a sovereign nation for the benefit of Ukrainians.
Actually, the answer to Q. “Who?” has only limited interest. The full responsibility for the act belongs to the Ukranian gov: 1. it was in the airspace they have a sovereign jurisdiction over. 2. they knew there was a danger for aviation in the area, 3. the airline paid them for safe passage, 4. they deliberately reroute flight motivating it by bad weather.
So, in a sane and just world they should bear the consequences.