by Nick for the Saker blog
The USS Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group left the east coast Naval Station Norfolk, VA on 11th April.
The aircraft carrier is accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy, the guided-missile destroyers USS Burke, Bulkeley, Forest Sherman and Farragut, and the destroyers USS Jason and The Sullivans. The strike group carries 6,500 sailors and Carrier Air Wing One.
Recent announcements about Russia’s hypersonic Kinzhal (‘Dagger’) missile system having made these vessels effectively obsolete, this means that the ships and their crews are essentially being sailed into a bloody scrapyard.
Even without the recent upgrading of the Kinzhal system, the experience of the British fleet in the Falklands conflict illustrates the vulnerability of warships to low-flying missiles. In addition to the sinking of the HMS Sheffield and Sir Galahad, virtually every British ship was hit by at least one of Argentinian’s French-made Exocet missiles – a weapons system which was already 20 years old at the time.
Exocet missile sinks HMS Sheffield during Falklands War:
Reportedly the only thing that saved the UK force from obliteration was that the Argentinians had got their missile altimeter settings wrong. The Russians will not make the same sort of error!
These facts are of course known to the US military planners and – one would assume and hope, for it is duty to know – by Donald Trump. And yet the US fleet is now nearing the coast of Syria, where it will met up with American and other NATO warships already in position. Together, they will make one big flock of sitting ducks.
If the people pushing Trump manage to get him launch a new strike on Syria (and we must expect a new false flag attack) and if the massive increase in NATO firepower means that enough missiles get through to enough targets to kill Russians, then Putin really has no choice but to sink the US fleet.
No choice because, whatever the danger of doing so, failure to respond would signal Russian defeat and retreat in Syria, which would of course lead to a rapid escalation of military pressure against Lebanon and Iran, and mean that when the Empire then rolls on to strike Russia, her most reliable allies will already have gone and her ‘soft underbelly’ will be seriously exposed.
So Putin orders the destruction of the US fleet, and an hour later all that is left is debris and mangled corpses in some oil slicks – and some ‘great’ photos and video clips to illustrate Trump’s declaration of war on account of “Russia’s deadly sneak attack on a US humanitarian force”.
Sounds familiar? It should do. Because we’re not just thinking here of the USS Maine, the Lusitania and the Gulf of Tonkin. The Washington habit of using sunken ships as the causus belli also of course included Pearl Harbor.
Just in case you need a reminder, here’s just one example of the many short videos out there on the truth about the Japanese attack on 7th December 1941 which explain how Roosevelt had advance intelligence of the planned attack, but decided not to pass it on to the anchored sitting duck fleet:
The more or less official excuse (the President’s guilt never having been formally acknowledged) is that to have alerted the fleet would also have tipped off the Japanese that their naval codes had already been broken. But the truth is of course that deliberately didn’t warn the fleet because he knew that the sacrifice would goad the American people into a war against Hitler to which he and those around and behind him were committed, but which the American people opposed.
The circumstances this time are of course somewhat different, not least that everyone with even a passing knowledge of the Russian missile capability already knows that 6,500 sailors are “on their way to Samara”.
Which makes Donald Trump either a criminally incompetent fool, a bad poker player or a wholly controlled puppet of the psychotic Anglo-Zionist elite. If he is one of the first two of these, then there is of course still a chance that he might respond to the disaster by blinking and retreating. In which case, the Beltway elite will use the human tragedy and his humiliation to remove him from office (not a bad consolation prize, from their point of view).
But if he is the third, then the ‘shock’ blitz on the US fleet will lead to the immediate declaration of World War Three.
Indeed, if things get that far (and we’re probably 48 hours and one White Helmets’ video away from it) then the only thing that realistically stands a chance of stopping the racist Anglo-Zionist psychopaths in their tracks is if the Russian attack and its result are such a devastating show of ‘shock and awe’ as to make it impossible for them to ignore a simultaneous public warning by Putin to Netanyahu that any further US hostile response will place Israel directly in the firing line as well.
That might JUST be enough to make the Neocons back off. If not, then World War Three it will be. It might not go nuclear straight away, but even while it is conventional EVERYTHING will change:
Dissident anti-war voices such as this will rapidly be silenced by blanket censorship and internment; your sons and daughters will be conscripted; your taxes will go through the roof – and you will have to live with the ever-present fear that, once China enters the war against Washington and its client states, the tide will run so fast against the ‘democratic allies’ that their ‘humanitarian missiles’ will end up with nuclear tips.
If that disturbs you (and it surely should) then all I ask is that you take the Pearl Harbor analogy and get busy spreading it on social media RIGHT NOW. Because once those young sailors and airmen have been sacrificed, the demand for a war of ‘revenge’ will be unstoppable. But if the warmongers realize that plenty of people have already understood the plan, it might just spook them into backing off.
In which case the fleet can do a few face-saving manoeuvres and then sail home again and we can look forward to a summer which may be warm, but not as uncomfortably hot as it could otherwise become!
You know, you are only one step away from discovering the hoax of the century, right?
I Seriously thank God you are onto this. Now, do not expect much thanks from most of our fellow countrymen who have made idols about many events that (supposedly) happened in WW2. To question these things is akin to attacking peoples’ deeply held religious beliefs. Methods of hypnotism and implanting false memories were well advanced by the late 30’s, and many of the Big Stories which entered the history books were spread by 1. Sacks of cash, combined with 2. a script for a person to repeat endlessly until the day of their death, and 3. murder of the people who wouldn’t go along with the lies. This is the holocaust they didn’t and won’t teach us about in school history classes. The “scripts” were cleverly concocted, and were demonic in their deviousness. We are up against the same thing today, only now the deceptions can spread instantly–worldwide– thanks to our tech gadgets. I’ll cut to the chase here and state that Pearl Harbor was a Day of Deception and awful lies, right up there with what we have been told about what happened on August 6th and 9th of 1945, as well as what supposedly happened on 9/11. Unfortunately, there are more lies on the way. America has been operating on an absolute swamp full of lies for many years, and if it does not repent like the ancient city of Nineveh it will be destroyed (or destroy itself).
They will not teach much about the holocaust anyway. Not in until 1988 was there any need for evidence of what the crime scenes held. Repeated chemical analyses showed … yeah, interesting results that led to more questions and research, but it is against the established religion, so let’s not ask questions.
To be gagged first and bow to existing plans is not healthy though if we wish to prevent war.
what we have been told about what happened on August 6th and 9th of 1945
The American Empire decided to perform a live test of Full Spectrum Dominance and Global Hegemony?
My work is done here.
Look, I post ALOT here, if 20% goes through, I am happy.
This one, being the first and the screener not catching it was reward for all my deleted remarx.
God worx in mysterious ways…
A New World Order plan befitting the Grand Chessboard and led by those who made us not needing evidence of chemical (ab)use?
Israel’s and Zionist’s plan might not work if there is no profit (like there was with the other wars before) with a nuclear war.
A non-nuclear war perhaps: a last desperate attempt by the Empire to try once more would indeed possibly change to nuclear destruction if they do get mad enough.
Keep an eye out for the USN to be renaming a ship as the “Maine.” :)
“Remember the Maine!”
Get the Israelis to sink one US navy ship. They had practice on the USS Liberty during the six day war but failed to sink it. Mistaken identity? Not a chance. They were under orders to sink it. The USA is not above sacrificing their own people and soldiers to justify things.
“Day of Deceit” is a great book about Pearl Harbour. The only people who were not informed about the impending danger were Kimmel & Short. The 2 in charge of defending the fleet. They were hung out to dry with dishonourable discharges.
If you are in the US military keep that in mind. Your own government and commanders will sacrifice you for a false flag. They view you as “useful idiots” and in the words of Heinz Kissinger “Military men are dumb brutes to be used as pawns in pursuit of foreign policy objectives”.
Yes, that is correct. The US Government needs a “casus beli”, so it sinks one of it’s own ships and blames it on others. That Roosevelt knew about Japan’s intended attack against Pearl Harbor is well known. The US Navy always had trouble explaining why prior to the attack the aircraft carriers were taken out of Pearl Harbor, as well as all modern ships. As one US admiral later stated, all the Japanese did was to sink some old junk from the First World War, which was left as bait. I wonder if the Truman Carrier Strike Group, which left Norfolk, has any old ships. If not, then perhaps on this occasion a new ship will be sacrificed.
As we all know, everything revolves around money. Analysts have for years been warning that the Anglo-Zionist financial system is in big trouble, with huge amounts of debt and money being printed backed by nothing (the US military being the exception). This situation cannot last too long, as Russia and China are the main political and economic barriers to the establishment of a globalist Anglo-Zionist empire. Something has to happen. We shall see what will happen.
That was the story of FDR and his moves to get the US into WW2. People always forget about FDR’s partner in crime Winston Spencer Churchill, who left it in FDR’s capable hands to instigate the plans to force Japan into WW2 in the Pacific. Churchill’s contribution was just as despicable. Within a week of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were on patrol without air cover when they were attacked and sunk by Japanese bombers north of Singapore.
What must be remembered here is that the UK already had the Japanese code, and thus would have had the Japanese plans for the invasions of such countries as Malaya, the Philippines and even Australia, which is why the Australian Militia Battalions from Melbourne and Sydney were sent to New Guinea, and then the local militias were sent to cover the Kokoda Track even before the Japanese invaded New Guinea.
In other words, Churchill and FDR were prepared to make sacrifices of these ships and crews into lulling the Japanese into believing their codes were safe.
When the Australian commandos (‘Z’ Force) made an attack on the Japanese in Singapore they captured the Japanese codes, not knowing that the UK already had these codes, but then the Japanese apparently sent out the new codes in the old codes, (that at least was the story at that time) and thus the ‘Allies’ were still able to decipher the Japanese codes.
Would the US and UK leaders use similar tactics in today’s military theatres? That is a dumb question as they have always operated in that manner.
There is a small piece of trivia in regard to the Truman Fleet, and that is the US destroyer named the USS Winston S Churchill DDG-81, after the British former Prime Minister and war monger, the grandson of a former New York media Mongol, who after finishing his education at Sandhurst Military College went on ‘leave’ to visit his relatives in New York
What would have been the benefit of letting the Japanese sink Repulse and the Prince of Wales?
Japan and Britain were already fighting each other, no need to trigger anything by sacrificing two major warships at that point.
The aircraft carrier supposedly attached to these two ships was in drydock after running aground. And Churchill expected the Prince of Wales and the Repulse to take on the Japanese without the required air cover, just after Pearl Harbour. Didn’t the idiot realise the potential of such orders? Of course not, as he hadn’t had his Dewar’s Single Malt at that time.
Oh, and by the way, Japan did not declare war on either the US or the UK, but Hitler did declare war on the US as he had a Treaty with Japan and Hitler followed the normal conventions.
So look at all of the various actions instigated by Churchill; Antwerp, Gallipoli. Dieppe and of course the loss of the two battleships, which would have increased the animosity in the UK at a time when the UK was battling to survive.
Remember, this was only a day or two after Pearl Harbor.
The navies of the world, and especailly that mighty Royal Navy that ruled the waves, thought in terms of battleships. Naval power had been represented by Ships of the Line, then Dreadnaughts, then Battleships. A few theorists were saying that air power could beat a battleship, but the battleship admirals thought they were crazy. No one in America or the UK recognized the power of aircraft carriers and the ability to sink battleships by dropping armor piercing bombs on them from above.
Those lessons were learned on these days. Pearl Harbor and the sinking of the Prince of Wales were how they learned those lessons. The people with rank and power still believed battleships to be how to project power around the world. The people like Billy Mitchell who said otherwise were still considered radicals, and were most certainly kept outside the command structures.
I know this is a site for alternate histories, but the Japanese very much did declare war on the USA. Its a rather famous story.
The Japanese plan was to declare war 30 minutes before the attack on Pearl Harbor. This way, their honor would be satisfied and it would not be technically a ‘sneak attack’. However, the diplomatic cables for this message were in code and the Japanese were concerned about the secrecy of their attack plan, so they limited the number of people in the Washington embassy who could see the message. They forgot to include a speedy typist. The decoding and typing of the message were delayed, so the Japanese ambassadors were in Sec of State Cordell Hull’s office a half hour after the attack on Pearl Harbor giving their declaration of war to a rather angry Hull who of course knew of the ‘sneak attack’ on Pearl Harbor at that time.
The Japanese did very much declare war on the United States, but it was famously a half an hour late.
Admiral Kimmel and General Short were NOT dishonorably discharged.
There is another possibility.
The US launches its 1000 missile strike (a 1000 has a nice soundbite feel, and will look good in a tweet). This time the Russians get involved with everything they have to defeat it (counter missiles from Syria and from the naval line off-shore; jets in the air shooting missiles; the full force of their electronic warfare and jamming; and possibly even taking out GPS and comms satellites).
There are many reports of large supplies to Syria by air and sea in the last week or so, some under smokescreen at Tarsus. So we can assume Russia is getting ready.
Now, imagine if a 1000 missile strike is defeated. This will be the least costly way for Russia to win WW3.
PS Syria also has Russian Yakhont anti-ship supersonic missiles, so a few ships could be sunk in “self defence” without necessarily triggering WW3. Plausible deniability.
True, but the US could still spin it as an “unprovoked attack” that justifies escalation, invasion, etc.
Yes, unless the US does not accept defeat and launches a nuke.
There is another possibility as well….
The Truman carrier group continues on to take up its station in the Persian Gulf like many carrier groups before it have done. The US almost always as a CVN in the Persian Gulf, and they rotate them in and out. The previous one has sailed to the Pacific and a port on the US west coast. The Truman is its replacement.
Remember, what Putin announced was that these weapons had completed testing. I think one of them was entering production. That’s a far cry from weapons that have been produced and are sitting at bases in stockpiles ready to use. The Russians might have one or two prototypes around from the testing, but that’s probably about it at this stage.
The last thing Putin would want to do is to start a war now before those weapons are produced. Do you fire your one prototype missile at a carrier group now, and start a war before you have more of them? Or, do you wait until you have a lot of those missiles?
One thing that surprised me about the last attack is that the US did not have a carrier already on station. The false flag occurred when one carrier had left and the other was still in port waiting to sail. I suppose that’s the result of the Syrian Army and its successful offensive which forced the hand of the jihadists because they were being forced out of the area.
They have done the chemical weapons false flag too often and fewer people buy it each time. If they are going to false flag it will have to be something new and big.
If Putin tells the Israelis that Dimona and Tel Aviv will be the first to go they will call off their dogs of war (yes Americans, you are just expendable mutts to them).
Given the number of people who still think Russia poisoned the Skripals and that Assad did gas people in Douma I’m not filled with hope.
That’s the importance of the brave journalists who are trying to break that story about the last false flag. They are in a sense disarming the US and UK intelligence agencies of this particular tactic. They’ve used it three times already, and each time there is more and more dissent about whether it is real. This time there are major reports in UK and Germany and even in the US about how this was all a fake. Trying to spread those stories out to others is one of the best things to do in this instant to prevent this being used to start the next war.
In OZ we are rapidly approaching ANZAC Day, where the invocation “lest we forget” is given it’s annual workout.
Sadly our elected leadership have memories akin to goldfish, morals akin to Catholic bishops, and are never all that careful about the how the lives of the troops are squandered in pursuit of the ambitions of others. OUr mainstream press are likewise afflicted.
Perhaps this will help them remember, and act with a bit more care this time around. I see the new pork powered airliner will be released at the same time as this happens.
Good points… in reviewing Pearl Harbour, a reminder of the British duplicity at Gallipoli, during WWI
History views the Gallipoli campaign as a disaster. The withdrawal and losses also gave the impression that the Allies were inept.
In Britain there was a lot of political fallout and heads rolled. Churchill was demoted and briefly resigned from politics. Australia would make this disaster a ‘national heroic event’ from which ANZAC day was born.
Rumours of the Allies betraying Russia ran rife. ‘Britain, it was alleged, was planning to deprive Russia of her legitimate spoils of war by keeping Constantinople for herself and creating a new Gibraltar at the Dardanelles. France and Japan were said to have agreed to this move…’ (Wheeler-Bennett, John. Brest-Litovsk the Forgotten Peace, March 1918, (1938). Page 7 Web-Internet Archive)
The Gallipoli campaign was planned to fool the Russians. The operation was simply aborted because, despite their promises, the policy of Britain was always to prevent Russia obtaining Constantinople and the Straits. Sadly, all of those fine ANZACs were butchered not to help win the war against Turkey and Germany but to protect Britain’s world position AFTER the war and contain Russia in a battle that Britain never wanted to win.
… and that happened when Russia was an ally of Britain.. so now 100 years ???
It was not just British duplicity with regards to Gallipoli, it was also German duplicity invloving the Goeben and Breslau.
The story is on the eve of World War I the British were due to deliver two new battleships to the Turks. They renegged on the deal and then let the German ships Goeben and Breslau escape from the Straights of Messina as the war got underway, through the Dardanelles then on to Constantinople. In short order the Germans officially turned over the ships to the Ottomans, though remaining crewed by Germans, whereupon they were renamed the Yavuz Sultan Selim and Midili and then used to shell Odessa, thus bringing the Ottomans into the war on the side of Germany.
The Ottomans, including both the powerless Sultan and Young Turks of the Committee of Union and Progress who controlled the government and military, had wanted to join the side of Great Britain in World War I, but by this Deep Stae maneuvre they were forced onto the side of the Central Powers. They were unaware at the time that the British and German Masonic Deep State elite had arranged to carve up the Ottoman Empire and the richest oilofields on earth after the war. Naturally the British later betrayed the Germans and thus inherited most of the prize for themselves.
The real history of the world has yet to be told but the same Deep Stae forces are at work today. There is both competition and cooperation between competing Deep States of all nations, the foremost among them being the Rothschild UK ‘Octopus,’ the US-centric Rockefeller-Kochs, the Russian and in East Asia the Chinese. As with the Anglo-Americans, who are divided between soveriegnty and unipolar camps at least superficially, so too are the Russians divided between Eurasianists and Atlaticists, while the Chinese are divided between the Rothschild ‘Octopus’ unipolarists based in Hong Kong, and the Shanghai based sovereigntists in Shanghai.
Donald Trump and his Deep State backers, the Rockefeller-Kochs, are theoretically allies of Vladimir Putin and the Eurasiaists, but the US military is divided between the Pentagon, which mostly supports the US President, and NATO, which has a close association with the Rothschild-UK ‘Octopus’ Deep State including via Gladio networks. It is this latter group, the Rothschild-Uk ‘Octopus,’ which is desperate to start a major war because without it they will go bakrupt thanks to trillions upon trillions of dollars in worthless derivative on which the City of London finance empire is precariously balanced. American and European Rothschild affiliated banks also have a similar problem, including Deutsche Bank in Germany.
The problem is as Saker describes. It matters not what those who want peace want to do, the US fleet is exposed to a false flag of epic proportions and anyone who is loyal to the Rothschild-UK ‘Octopus’ Deep State, including especially the government of Israel, can easily sink one or two ships and start the chain of events leading to World War III.
Those willing to fire the first shot always have the initiative. The task of those who wish to avert a crisis is enormously difficult but the Russians honestly have no choice but to retaliate with everything at their disposal if they come under heavy attack. Apparently Russian jets were sent to strike at platforms launching cruise missiles when Israel launched an false attack against Russians in Syria on April 13th, a situation only brought under control via the US-Russia deconfliction line with the Russian aircraft preparing to fire.
For the Russians there is another problem. The two competing Anglo-American Deep States are closely connected. The Russians must be wary they are not being lulled into a situation in which they are counting on people like James Mattis to halt an escalation, when in fact the entire situation is a ruse by which both Anglo factions are working together to fool the Russians into failing to respond or acting too late, thus dooming their forces in Syria.
All of it feels like a script. This may indeed be what is happening and it is not inconceivable that traitorous Atlanticist Russians are also invloved in a plot to participate in a theoretically limited nuclear war in the region. We have been schooled on this all of our lives. Revelation is not an authentic book of Christianity, nor was it written by John, so said Eusebius many centuries ago, but this has been forgotten as the UK-Rothschild ‘Octopus’ and Masonic plot to arrange a Second Coming via escatological skullduggery has gathered momentum, capturing the minds of so many Christians, Muslims and Jews.
As ever we are dealing with the perfidy of a profoundly evil group of people, and they will use the crisis they have been planning for centuries to institute otherwise unthinkable measures in the name of security, just as they did after 9/11, whereupon if you follow the script, 7 years of tribulations will ensue as an anti-Christ is seated on the throne of the world.
The piece I am linking to below is disinformation to the extent that after telling most of the story about how the British and their secret allies in Germany manipulated the Ottomans into siding with the Central Powers during World War I, it eventually turns the story upside down, however, it is an excellent place to start if you want to know how these world shattering events are commonly arranged.
How Britain destroyed the Middle East
yes, there are some very very evil forces ,itching to start a serious conflaration in -MENA region.Why here?. cause a lot of energy has been utilised by the afore said evil entities in this last 50 years or so…there is no reason for these entities to forgo this opportunity.
What makes this region ,MENA so juicy or should i say a powder keg ,a perfect place to start ww111 or ww1V?
This place is flowing with ,’milk & honey’ there is so much’ black gold’ here the true inhabitant of this region who are in low numbers as compared to India or China,should be living in luxury and richness ,never achieved in human history.There are other consideration that are innumerable ,one being geolocation right at the centre of the world.
The ingredients for continuous wars has been introduced here from the time of pope Constantipole ,Peeps of all races and colours were living here in peace until the Crusade,the early ‘Moderate head choppers’.This conundrum was passed on to the ‘East India Company’ which in todays term is the DAESH army.Subsequently when the power of mischiefs was passed on to ,the Neocons led to 911 and total and open war , more than million arabs have been sacrificed to the alter of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM and excuse of ‘Wiping out WMD ‘,whatever it is including chemical.,just any excuses ….this is just a short summary but just to point out this is not over by a long shot.Basically it is TRIBALISM, in all kind of form.,having murdered a million peeps to bomb a sovereign country cause it gassed 40 peeps is like, shooting a bloke in the head just to remove his cavity!
So where are we now?…well more of the same ,except now the bully is not having it ALL his way ,the power to carry on creating mayhem…cause evil putin and animal assad won’t go quietly into the nights….what can we do..well ,all we can do is stop drinking this constant WE vs THEM koolaide ,treat every man and women as our brothers and sisters and….stock up on pop corn ,cause just maybe ,the bully will meet his match…lets pray for syria and putin.
“It is this latter group, the Rothschild-Uk ‘Octopus,’ which is desperate to start a major war because without it they will go bakrupt thanks to trillions upon trillions of dollars in worthless derivative on which the City of London finance empire is precariously balanced.”
Presumably they know the value of the underlying assets and are smart enough not to be invested, short-term, in the derivatives themselves?
If (or rather, when) a banking crash occurs again presumably further QE (rather than monetization) is in their interest as are further write offs of sections of private debt by public support untl the next pozi scheme can be arranged.
From their perspective it is not precariously balanced but finely balanced or, rather, ideally balanced.
That is not correct on two counts. In regard to the Gallipoli campaign, I have this:
When Churchill insisted that the naval forces attack the Dardanelles alone he notified the enemy of intended strategy. After Churchill had committed the initial blunder the army was ordered to participate. Lord Kitchener’s objections were overruled. His advice was ignored. The allied military forces committed to the assault on the Dardanelles were insufficient in numbers, improperly trained, poorly equipped for such a task, and badly supported both in regard to provisions, medical aid, and reinforcements. They were forced to attack first class troops whose leaders had been alerted to their danger. The allied military and naval forces were required to overcome military and naval obstacles that had not been in existence when Churchill ordered the first naval assault. The Dardanelles campaign was doomed to failure from the start. (11)
What we have to look at here is the ‘Gallipoli Campaign’ itself. The ‘Allied Navy’ bombarded the Gallipoli Peninsula on the 19th of February 1915, thus warning the Turks of the eventual landings and gave the Turks sufficient time to prepare for the British landings that occurred in April.
The first landing at Gallipoli took place at Anzac Cove on the 25th of April 1915, and consisted of the ANZAC troops. The main British force landed at Helles on the 1st of May 1915. Again the ANZACS left Anzac Cove on the 20th of December 1915 and the main British forces left Helles in January 1916.
We should now consider these events and the actual times in regards to the career of Winston Churchill. Churchill resigned from his position as the First Lord of the Admiralty in May of 1915, after the Lusitania sinking on the 7th of May 1915 and Arthur Balfour was then given that position. Churchill then retired from the government in November 1915 supposedly because of his bungling of the Gallipoli campaign. I personally do not accept that part of history.
So why was Winston Churchill forced to resign from the Asquith government and his position as First Lord of the Admiralty? He didn’t resign his seat though. Forget about the Gallipoli disaster as that debacle was not then completed. How about the RMS Lusitania sinking? More than likely. Why would I suggest this? Because Churchill didn’t go to the Western Front for the fun of it, he went to retain his position in politics. In any Royal Commission that would have called for Churchill to appear as a witness, that summons would not have been served because Churchill was ‘fighting’ at the Western Front!
And then after the Commission hearing, after his ‘retiring’ from the Royal Scots Fusiliers on the 7th of May 1916, Churchill resumed his political career. Just a fortnight after Churchill took command of the 6th Royal Scots Fusiliers, on the 18th of January 1916, the last of the English ‘lads’ (Royal Marines) were leaving ‘Helles’ on the Gallipoli Peninsula, and thus we know that Churchill’s sojourn at the Western Front had nothing to do with the ‘Gallipoli Campaign’ but with saving his political career.
In simple terms, Churchill was complicate in the sinking of the RMS Lusitania.
Then in regard to ‘the Allies’ betraying Russia, what you have to consider is the instructions of the British War Cabinet to Lord Kitchener to travel to Russia to assist the Russians.
The British Government was aware of the serious conditions brewing in regard to Russia. This is proved by the fact that the matter was discussed by the cabinet and a decision was reached to send Lord Kitchener to Russia for the purpose of re-organizing the Russian military forces. Lord Kitchener sailed from Scapa Flow aboard the H.M.S. Hampshire. She was mysteriously sunk during the night of June 5th, 1916. Lord Kitchener was lost with all but a dozen of the crew. (13)
To understand why Churchill and company were so keen to launch an attack on the Dardanelles we have this from the British Prime Minister:
“On January 28th, 1915, Mr Asquith, Prime Minister of England wrote in his diary : “I just received from Herbert Samuel a memorandum headed The Future of Palestine … He thinks we might plant in this territory about three or four million European Jews.” (12) In other words the British Zionists were rather presumptive!
So 9 days after Churchill’s planned attack, being the ‘Allied Navy’ bombardment of the Gallipoli Peninsula on the 19th of February 1915 we have the Zionist Jew sending the British Prime Minister a memorandum in regard to the ‘future of Palestine’ for the Zionists.
The fate of Russia was always decided on by those from the ‘Pale’. The British Zionists needed Russian cannon fodder just as much as they needed the French cannon Fodder and then after the French the British especially in regard to the Somme Operation which lasted until November 1916 and the German Foreign Minister, Arthur Zimmerman offered a ‘Peace’ settlement that Lloyd George and his Zionists could not accept even though Britain was almost bankrupted by the war effort.
The Armistice would not be accepted until Palestine was captured and it was only after General Lord Allenby rode into Jerusalem on a horse, that the main purpose of that war had been completed.
Russia’s fate was worse than the other European countries in that her war continued, but the dead from all of the various European countries and the devastation was enormous.
And the propaganda still continues to this day.
Churchill was a Liberal. 1915 Asquith formed a War Coalition with Conservatives and Labour. Conservatives demanded Churchill’s head as price for Coalition
I beg your pardon?
Churchill was a ‘Liberal’?
Churchill was anybody’s man especially for the price of a whisky, and for the payment of his mortgage. Churchill, if I read correctly was also at some stage a Conservative. He was a career Politician, a sophist, a drunkard and a coward, and a threat to the younger boys whilst at Sandhurst.
When Churchill scurried off to France, General Roberts offered him a position of ‘Major’ with the 2nd Battalion. the Grenadier Guards, but they were a ‘dry’ regiment and that would never do for Winnie so he went back to General Roberts and got a posting as a Lt. Colonel to the 6th Battalion, Royal Highland Fusiliers where he was permitted to drink his whisky, and when the Royal Commission was over he duly resigned his commission and Lord Kitchener accepted that resignation on the proviso that Churchill never again applied for a military command again.
So, if your argument is correct and ‘the Conservatives’ demanded Churchill’s head, and got it, then how was it that Churchill retained his seat whilst in France and re-entered Parliament in May 1916?
Now, is this where you received your education in regard to Winston Spencer L Churchill?
“The humiliation of Gallipoli, together with a scandal about the supply of shells, forced the Liberal prime minister, Herbert Asquith, to form a coalition government. One of the conditions, as laid down by the Conservatives, was that Churchill be relieved of his cabinet duties. He was. Appointed to the rather meaningless post of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Churchill bemoaned, ‘I am finished’.
Finally, in July 1917, despite protests and strong vocal disproval from the Conservatives, Churchill was appointed Minister of Munitions but it was still a post outside the cabinet and his duties there were mainly administrative.”
And not one iota of the animosity between Lord Kitchener and his subaltern Churchill!
Churchill was a famous conservative.
Rubbish. Churchill was forced out in 1915. Gallipoli had been to relieve pressure on Russia in The Caucasus. One of the subalterns at Gallipoli was Lt Clement Attlee who became Deputy Prime Minister in 1940 and as one who had experienced Churchill’s disastrous naval landings against well-defended beachheads was a reason Britain did not open the Second Front until 1944 landing in Normandy.
I am afraid that the Zionist Herbert Samuel disagrees with you.
Come to think of it Lord Kitchener also disagreed with you, and frankly had Churchill been ‘forced out’ he would have resigned completely, and not kept his seat warmed in Parliament.
I would like to think of Churchill being the Boris Johnson of today’s British Parliament.
Interesting analysis, Babushka in Oz.
Today we seem to be concerned about whether any future conflict will be either ‘nuclear’ or ‘conventional’. However, no-one seems to have considered the huge ramifications of the supposedly safer option i.e. conventional warfare. Reflect for a moment on the amount of shipping that went to the bottom during WW2 and imagine that say, half of it was nuclear powered. What kind of world would we be living in today after 73 years of poisoning our oceans on such a scale. How many of those ships currently entering the Meditteranean are nuclear powered or carry nuclear weapons? I would suggest most, if not all. If they all ended up on the bottom, life around the Meditteranean Sea would not but be quite as idyllic for many as it is today. We don’t need a ‘nuclear’ war to rid the world of all life forms, a ‘conventional’ war would be almost as efficient.
I just watched the short video on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and it falls far short of declaring unequivocally that “Roosevelt had advance intelligence of the planned attack, but decided not to pass it on to the anchored sitting duck fleet”. I’ve read some accounts of this possibility, and it’s an interesting theory, but I’m surprised to see the author present this video as some kind of buttress to his argument,since, if anything, it (the video) tends to downplay that idea.
You have to place Pearl Harbour into the larger context. It was the exact repetition of the Maine and Lusitania false flags. Don’t forget the ‘Gulf of Tonkin incident’. They always work with the Americans.
Yes, it fits a pattern, but that doesn’t make it reality. There is some evidence it happened the way the author said it did. There’s also legitimate debate about it, and the preponderance of evidence suggest that FDR didn’t know about the attacks in advance…and I am not a fan of FDR at all.
I’m more a believer that FDR wanted the war and goaded the Japanese into doing something stupid. Whether Pearl knew about the attacks or not from DC, they certainly should have when their own radar told them they were coming. It also might have been a clue when they discovered a Japanese sub right off Pearl only a few hours before the attack…and this at a time when everyone knew that US-Japanese relations were rapidly deteriorating. IOW, plenty of indications that the commander and his men were asleep at the wheel, regardless of what Washington may or may not have done.
In any event, my main point was, it seems off that the author would promote a video that pretty much says he’s wrong in his own article. It tends to make me discount the rest of his narrative (much of which I did agree with).
once : just happenstance
twice : coincidence
thrice : enemy action!
In any case the battle of Taranto earlier that year should have put all naval commanders on notice
that battleships in defended harbors were not safe from naval air power.
The stupidity of Hitler declaring war on the USA was not something that FDR could have planned on.
Much as FDR wanted to fight in europe it was not something he could have sold to the public without Germany’s
declaration of war.It would have been a Pacific war only, and we would probably be speaking German right now,
instead of English.
We would be speaking Russian.
Lusitania false flag?
As far as I know the Lusitania had been sunk by Germany. The lie that was used to justify the entry of the US into WW I was that it was a passenger ship that didn’t carry a load of ammunition. Germany always claimed that there was ammunition on board. This claim had been proven some 10 to 20 years ago when the shipwreck was discovered and investigated by a submarine.
My comment may look like a statement from know-it-all, but people have to keep in mind that even a slight mistake in describing an event can be used to discredit the messenger. (A false flag is an event carried out by someone and someone else is blamed for it. That’s something entirely different. The common denominator is that lying is involved.)
Far from appearing to be a “know-it-all”, it’s a breath of fresh air to hear from someone who understands that words have precise meanings and we need to use them correctly.
Another interesting fact about the Lusitania is that the Germans posted warnings in American newspapers warning travelers against cruising on british vessels. Of course it is now known that the Lusitania was carrying munitions, so it was a legitimate target.
There are theories suggesting that Churchill knowingly maneuvered the ship into harm’s way. Certainly the facts seem damning: making a very slow way through a war zone without escort, possible intelligence that told the Brits in advance of the U boat’s position directly in the path of the ship which were ignored, etc. There is even one diver who said he saw unexploded depth charges near the ship!
The main reason I believe that there was a conspiracy to sink her (besides of course a good motive)is that, even after all these years, some of the records are still sealed. When people try to hide something it makes me think they’re guilty!
Wasn’t FDR Sec. Navy at that time?
I remember in the 1960s of reading the story that Churchill was required to set up a ‘Royal Commission’ in regard to the Lusitania. He asked one judge to preside over this commission, but the first judge declined. Another judge was asked and accepted the position. After the commission that judge apparently told Churchill, “Don’t you ever do that to me again!” The trouble is I cannot find any evidence of this incident.
Read “Day of Deceit” and you will get the full picture. Just a sample here off the top of my head.
1) The USA prevented ships from travelling north across the pacific, held ships in port for 3 extra days when they had to go that way. Don’t want anyone accidentally seeing the Japanese fleet.
2) All the documentation that the author was able to get by following the routing slips for stuff he was told was not in the national archives.
3) The demoting and moving of Admiral Richardson to a desk job in Washington when he complained vehemently about moving the fleet from the west coast to Hawaii. He told them “the Japanese will attack it”.
4) The war gaming of this EXACT scenario for an attack years before right down to where the attackers would park their fleet, the time of day for the attack and the way the attack would be carried out.
5) The 8 point plan to get Japan to attack which was followed to the letter.
It goes on and on and on. Give it a read and see if it changes your mind.
In regard to Pearl Harbour, all of the US ‘enquiries’ focus only on the American argument. They forget that there was another side to this conspiracy, the UK. They also ignore the sinking of HMAS Sydney. So understand this:
“On the 19th of November 1941, the very same day that HMAS Sydney was sunk, Lt. Com. Nave RAN, decrypted a message in the Japanese consular code TSU, explaining that should hostilities be initiated, involving a “Japanese-American crisis,” a subsequent “execute” message would read “Higashi no kazeame” — “East wind rain”. The ‘execute’ message was intercepted at Park Orchards near Melbourne on Thursday, the 4th December 1941.
HMAS Sydney was sunk when it chanced upon a meeting of a Japanese submarine and an ‘Merchant’ vessel’.
That Merchant vessel was in fact the German raider “Kormoran”. Cap’t Collins and the crew of the Sydney would have believed that the Merchant ship was resupplying the Japanese submarine, but in fact it was the other way round, as the German survivors were found with empty bottles of fresh milk. and Japan had not as yet entered into WW2.
So we have absolute proof that the UK had the Japanese code, and if the UK had the codes then so did the US. The partnership between the US and UK can be traced back to 1913 at the very least and is still an ongoing partnership.
As for the Steele dossier, there is a comparison with Sir Thomas Hohler the British Ambassador to Mexico in 1916 in regard to the ‘Zimmerman Telegram’ which was used by Wilson to bring the US into WW1. All Steele required was a good cigar, a bottle of fine ‘Single Malt’ and a computer to create a fictional drivel suited mostly for the tabloids of Fleet Street.
Thus the Steele-Miller-Skripal comedy must be viewed within a similar contest. No wonder Trump is not happy with May; he detests stupidity, and abhors incompetency.
I feel bad being “that guy” but there is no USS Jason and the “Destroyers” (DD) are all decommissioned. All the ships listed are DDGs and should not be split into separate groups, except the cruisers (CG) of course.
The US ships in the USS Harry S Truman Group are:
USS Harry S Truman
USS Normandy CG-60
USS Burke DDG-51
USS Bulkeley DDG-84
USS Forest Sherman DDG-98
USS Farragut DDG-99
USS The Sullivans DDG-68
USS Winston S Churchill DDG-81
The German frigate FGS Hessen (F-221) is also joining the Truman CSG for this deployment.
Well, the Americans have a tradition of using false flags, and this goes back before the “heroic” sacrifice of the then obsolete U.S.S. Maine in 1898. It was a common practice used against the Indian/Native American nations throughout the 19th century.
The israelis also love to use false flags, something they no doubt learned from american example, but which also fits in with their duplicious and cowardly nature.
The question is are these zionazis/nazis running the zpc/nwo willing to settle for a lifetime existence in underground bunkers in order to enforce their desire to rule the world. A dead world they can’t inhabit?
Sounds rather ludicrous, don’t it.
These critters are not looking to be bunker oligarchs and they are not stupid. Deranged, psychopaths, right wingers, and more, sure, but they want to rule the world, not some little assembly of tunnels.
We’re back in the cold war with all the attendant propaganda, posturing, bluffing, covert faggotry, etc.
The zionazis will continue staging false flags, it’s their very nature, but these won’t be to initiate ww3, or “armageddon”, they will be used instead to justify local aggressions. Like what we have seen in Syria, or, previously, 9/11, the 21st century “Pearl Harbor” the pnac freakshow was demanding, which got the war for israel ball rolling in the Mideast.
Tens of thousands of words on this thread, but VT’s make the most sense and are accurate, I believe:
“These critters are not looking to be bunker oligarchs and they are not stupid. Deranged, psychopaths, right wingers, and more, sure, but they want to rule the world, not some little assembly of tunnels.
“We’re back in the cold war with all the attendant propaganda, posturing, bluffing, covert faggotry, etc.”
If you look at Armenia today, color revolution overthrow, and Nicaragua protests, and see how the US is back to all its old tricks on many continents. The massive economic war by way of sanctions and tariffs against Russia and China are cold war tools.
The Hegemon wages war on very limited scale. But it is working on Meth viciously in very many countries.
Pick a region and study it closely. The Cold War is full on back. It’s mostly economic, not ideological.
What the world needs is the end of the petro dollar. US is a busted flush.
Yeah, the cold war is definitely back in full regalia. Feels like the 1950s…cough, 80s. Expecting a media revival of “father knows best”, “leave it to beaver” or “son of fonzi”, along with another regurgitated 50s r & r revival with Elvis impersonator impersonators.
I presented a strategy of how to disable the primary function of an aircraft carrier without sinking it
(see: http://thesaker.is/russias-defense-ministry-briefing-on-situation-in-syria-and-investigation-of-douma-hoax/ ).
This is based upon the attack on the USS Yorktown aircraft carrier during World War II in the Coral Sea Battle which knocked the ship out of combat status for 5 days without it being sunk. Unlike gravity bombs, modern anti-ship missiles have sophisticated electronic sensors that can strike a ship at a specific location along the horizontal plane from stern to the bow. The missile can also be programmed to drop straight down perpendicular to the flight deck such as the location of the steam catapults (which are fixed under the deck) that are necessary to launch fighter-bomber aircraft. A direct hit to the catapults renders the carrier useless as jet planes cannot takeoff from the carrier using their engines alone. The amount of damage cannot be repaired at sea and the ship has to head for the nearest shipyard that has a large enough facility to repair the aircraft carrier (just like the USS Yorktown did in 1942 when it limped back to Pearl Harbor for damage maintenance).
Does Russia have to wait for another attack on Syria? Why not send a drone over the USS Harry Truman and drop leaflets warning the captain and crew that the ship is in great danger if the guided missile cruisers or submarines in the convoy launch cruise missiles again?
How about towing a barge outside Syrian waters and hit it with Kinzhal missile as a demonstration? The speed of the missile will be tracked on the U.S. warship’s radars and they’ll see for themselves what awaits them should they proceed ahead with an attack. Another words, scare the heck out of them!
A cruise missile strike anywhere on the flight deck or in the hanger or on the island will knock out any carrier now. At least long enough to make a difference.
As for the Yorktown, that ship did extraordinarily well in surviving damage compared to most of the usn carriers during WW2. This in a large way due to luck and decent damage control. The usn carriers were notable for being easily knocked out, mainly due to poor petrol arrangements, which often turned them into infernos. The ship was only partially repaired between the Coral Sea and Midway battles. But the dockyard work was enough that she could operate aircraft again, and carried out in record time.
vot tak, the large Fleet CVs (Essex class and predecessors) were actually extremely tough and could survive horrendous amounts of damage (the Franklin being the best example). You may be thinking of the CVE classes, which were mostly converted merchant ships and indeed had poor gasoline stowage and magazine arrangements and tended to explode when hit almost anywhere. The Japanese large carriers on the other hand had poor gasoline storage, and poor gasoline handling equipment, and poor damage control structures in general, and as a result also had very poor post-damage outcomes.
“the large Fleet CVs (Essex class and predecessors) were actually extremely tough and could survive horrendous amounts of damage (the Franklin being the best example).”
It was precisely the Franklin I was thinking about when I wrote usn carriers were easily knocked out. She was hit by just one medium sized bomb, which did not itself do a lot of damage, but the petrol vapour exploding later destroyed much of the ship and killed somewhere round 700 of her crew.
American carriers almost all experienced large petrol fires when damaged. Generally, a bomb or Kamikaze hit on the flight deck was enough to neutralize the ship. This is what I meant by being knocked out, the ship was no longer able to be a part of the fight, not necessarily damaged to the point of sinking. The prewar class the Yorktown belonged to actually withstood damage better than the larger Essex class, it turned out.
Agree about the escort carriers and the Japanese.
Here’s that remarkable film footage of the HMS Barham exploding after being torpedoed by a U boat. Hundreds of crew men are standing on the side of the listing ship when the magazine explodes and sends everyone into oblivion.
And how long will that last as a deterrent against their arrogance, exceptionalism and sheer stupidity?
Better they just sink the group and any survivors scutter home with their tails between their legs.
Of course, arrogance, exceptionalism and sheer stupidity will have them at it again before long but at least one big group won’t be attending the party.
‘When the fight is inevitable hit first – and hit hard.’
This fight is inevitable.
It is as plain aa delight. The precedent was set last year. Khan Shekoun. No evidence no proof . I might add it happened even earlier MH17 anyone.Proof by social media. Hence April 13th was the feelers put out by FUKUS. How many missiles get through and if the Slavs will fight back.
Douma is an area that has IDF and Mossad ,MI6 ,CIA hands all over it. Hence next false flag . Those ships are all there for that purpose. IDLIB Corridor is another area. I am sure the Russian military intelligence is on it. Further more I am sure that the Russians MOD has also referred these concerns with the open lines of communication with the fascistic entities of the US. This still will not stop them . Perpetual war is the only way the US can maintain any semblance of industrial capacity. Remember 1.5 billion dollars of missiles were just fired on the sad day of April the 13th. Bolton will continue the Wolfawitz doctrine and to full fill that doctrine one more country of the famous seven in five years IRAN
.P.S note how the next psy-ops is going into full mode Armenia and Hungary.
Orwell any one.
My main concerns are the Russian Israeli’s and their Oligarchs the amount of influence they have on the Russian state. Will the Armenian Slav Foreign minister bluff to supply the Syrian Arab Republic with s-300 become a reality . I myself doubt it. Famous Stalin quote Israel is the USSR bitch. This statement carries more weight today that under Baffo Stalin. Italian expression for Stalin was Baffo large moustache.
If they want a war, they don’t need Russia to sink a ship. They just need to say Russia sunk this big hunk of truman crap. The whole thing could be called “the truman show.”
The poster thinks there are a bunch of ifs involved. Bolton types don’t work like that.
“…then Putin really has no choice but to sink the US fleet.”
As you said in a previous article, the quality of Russia’s stuff may be superior in some respects but, in sheer numbers, NATO has Russia way outgunned. There is no way Russia could defeat NATO in strictly conventional warfare over the long term, except on their own turf. Furthermore, sinking the US fleet, whether it was a ‘sneak’ attack or not, would surely mean total war – and the Russians know it.
When Russia strikes, I very much doubt they will even try a ‘limited’ war by sinking the fleet. I expect they will hit US – and US only – with everything they have (nukes). No need to hit any of our ‘allies’ in such circumstances. Once they hit US, most US ‘allies’ would scatter and hide, except possibly Britain.
A recent Nato study concluded that Europe would be overrun in a few days in a conventional war with Russia.
I don’t normally read the Huffington Post, but this article by Scott Ritter gives the details
” sheer numbers NATO has Russia way outgunned” – the reverse is the truth.
NATO is scare-mongering for money and other support. Here are some numbers on Russia/US/NATO:
Russia pop 143 million
US pop 325 million
NATO pop 906 million
Russia GDP $16 trillion
NATO GDP > $36 trillion
Russia WWII losses ~20 million ejecting Nazis from own their own territory.
US losses in ALL wars ~1 million
With numbers like these, Russia would not dare attack NATO. Russians are prepared for war because they fear it.
Correction. Something didn’t copy correctly:
Russia GDP less than $2 trillion
US GDP more than $16 trillion
NATO GDP more than $36 trillion
Try to even understand the difference between GDP and GDP-PPP. I’m not even mentioning the real economy vs fake virtual economy statistics.
China produces about 30 times more aluminium (tons) than USA. The rate of steel production (tons) is about 1:15 favoring China. Russia has 40% bigger GDP-PPP than France (and UK).
I am inclined to think you have left something out. US Federal Governments sovereign debt $20 trillion, debt-to-GDP ratio 105%. Add in private, household, corporate, municipal city debts, and unfunded future liabilities, pensions medicaid and Social Security and America is technically bankrupt. You Americans need to wake up to the parlous economic situation which confronts you. The only thing that keeps you going is the global reserve status of the dollar. An ominous development – for the US – is now developing with the emergence of China and the launch of the Yuan, which since the setting up of the Yuan for oil which means that the dollar can no longer rely on its unique status as the global currency. The Chinese are now the world’s biggest importer of oil and they are insisting that the payments be made in Yuan not dollars. Moreover these Yuan are convertible with gold. The rise of the Yuan and the emergence of a proto-gold standard is a direct and inexorable threat to the dollar’s petro status which they have enjoyed since Kissinger pulled of the deal with the Saudis in the 1970s.
This ‘exorbitant privilege’ as it was called is coming to an end, not dramatically but slowly and inexorably. ‘Not with a bang, but a whimper.’
Aren’t there a few things missing in your calculation?For an instance if you are going to compare population and economic strength of USA+NATO vs RF, shouldn’t you also add China,Iran(and BRICS) on Russia’s side?For another is the presumption that NATO will bleed for Washington’s imperial ambitions a bygone conclusion?Turkey has been getting rather friendly with RF after the coup attempt and are you certain Europeans would agree to war on European soil to serve American interests?
As for losses, how many on the Russian side were civilians?And it should also be noted Russians took 20 million losses and didn’t surrender, how many millions are the Americans willing to lose before surrendering?Plus, the low number of USA losses is due to the centuries old Anglo-imperial tradition of getting other peoples to do the dying in service of Anglo-imperial goals.But the number of people Anglos are able to deceive and use have been getting smaller and smaller for years now, today it seems they only have influence over a few street-level criminal gangs,a few terrorist groups(as we can currently see in Syria) and a few political parties/factions that do not have the support of the people.That’s just not good enough to take on the Russian Federation.
“..shouldn’t you also add China,Iran(and BRICS) on Russia’s side?”
China is not geographically positioned to help Russia fight Europe. That would be a very long march and the Russians would be crazy to let them in. That goes for Iran too. Iran is a buffer against Sunni nations that might want to attack Russia in support of Chechens and other Islamic militants in or near, Russia.
You seem to be interpreting what I wrote and geopolitics in a self-serving manner.First of all I was writing on a war scenario between Russia and USA+NATO, not just Europe, in such a case China can strike the American West coast, for which China is geographically well positioned, while the American troops are busy fighting the Russians.And are you sure that the Sunni nations and Shia Iran would fight each other in such a scenario?Surely the Sunni also understand that such a war would only result in a lot of dead Muslims with little to no benefit for themselves?Wouldn’t it be better for them to work together to attack from the South-East of Europe and takeover European territory while most of European armies are busy fighting Russia on the North-Eastern front?
Secondly, I was writing about population and economic comparisons not military ones.
“Secondly, I was writing about population and economic comparisons not military ones.”
I was responding to cdvision who said Russian forces would overrun Europe in a matter of days.
I know you were talking about population and economy, not military. However, military abilities are partially dependent on economic and demographic factors which is what I am trying to point out. This thread is about Russia’s military capabilities which, I say, are not that scary.
So according to your military standards, is it safe to assume a coalition force made up of India and China can defeat and take over both Europe and USA?
Correction to my comment below (or above): Russia’s GDP is less than $1.5 trillion while the US’ is about $18 trillion.
If population numbers and GDP translated into convention military success, then how come the US hasn’t won a conventional war since 1945? And arguably without Russia they wouldn’t have won that one. I’ll allow the (illegal) attack on Grenada as an exception.
NATO is not Europe, and I think you will find, as in the recent Syria farce, that most of Europe will not fight with the US.
No question the US spends more than Russia, but the results are poor. Russia has a bigger armed force, is more advanced in conventional weapons, is more advanced in defensive and offensive missile technology. With Russia’s new weapons much of the Wests military and spending is now irrelevant.
By and conventional measure the US is financially bust, as are most of the western economies. The politics of the West is hopelessly fractured – will Trump even be president in 1 year?
“Russia has a bigger armed force, is more advanced in conventional weapons, is more advanced in defensive and offensive missile technology.”
Russia does not have bigger armed force. Some of its weapons may be better but it does not have nearly as many weapons. Russia is no threat to NATO unless NATO or the US attacks Russia. Then they would have to use nukes – before we do.
I think he meant the US fleet vs the Russian fleet and if so he is correct. But that fleet is very vulnerable to missiles and will either be sacrificed to justify a larger war or kept in port.
A ground war in Europe would go nuclear instantly. That was always the NATO plan as far back as I can remember (1970s). They just couldn’t deal with the Warsaw Pact numerical superiority any other way. Today is different but still favours Russia.
But Russia will not invade Europe. They would be “invited” (real or fake won’t matter) to “protect” the Dardanelles & Bosporus. That would give them full access to the Mediterranean which is more important than reclaiming old Soviet satellite states.
I don’t believe that outright war is what they want.
although here is what happened today – https://youtu.be/ZFw31j035OQ
Very revealing vidio Ann. Russia may do a false first or, Trump may pre-arrange the script and stage with Assad and Vlad as he did with the previous fizzer.
I don’t see the point of false flag if the point is to blame Russia. If the US really wants war with Russia, it’s best bet is to do it Barbarossa style with a massive 1st strike surprise attack. A false flag that essentially warns Russia about what’s coming means they have a chance to prepare and perhaps strike first themselves.
Now an Israeli attack designed to put the blame on Russia is only slightly more plausible. First because I’m sure they are aware of the Russians suspect Israel, there will be several nukes heading towards them.
The last thing the US wants is full scale war with Russia. Proxy war, of course. But actual nuclear exchange war they do not want. There are certainly crazies in the administration who are convinced that Russia will back down and they can definitely bring catastrophe to the world. But even they don’t want an actual war with nukes flying. They just assume there won’t be one because Russians will back off at the last moment. So I’m not sure where a false flag will fit in.
The other wars, such as pearl harbor, the Maine, etc. Were wars where the US could be confident of victory in the end. Here they can only be confident in their own nuclear anaihalation.
I think the Dimwits pushing Trump truly believe that this is the time to defeat Russia before the S500 is operational and many of the new weapons announced March 1 become operational. I think the hubris is so strong that they will take on a war.
False Flags fly on US Naval ships as a matter of protocol.
USS Maddox “started” the Vietnam War big time.
JFK had ordered the 16,000 men out, and then, LBJ manufactured the “attack” on the Maddox, and the US went to 565,000 men butchering the Vietnamese.
As for the scenario of allowing the Russians to do it in the Mediterranean?
No, the Americans will do it themselves.
A lesser loss, fewer men and less ships.
Won’t take much to get Congress to give the MIC war powers against all things Russian.
I wonder how many of those kids from low income areas realize how little their country cares about them? The message is the same as it’s been for centuries. You should die so we can keep power and make lots of money. Who signs up for that? I love how the Russian and Syrian generals go to war with the troops, and for that matter who did the officers on the Truman piss off?
I like the scenario where if they got some kinda fancy, super fast, unstoppable missile, use it to take out some oligarchs instead of a bunch of cannon fodder/Goyim. Or in their presence of mind they have already human shielded themselves. Hell even if rather than a missile their most trusted aid gets some real human instinct and does something good for the whole world. But I’ve always been a dreamer.
It somehow seems likely if you hit the right spots it would be like the ending of the 1953 War of the Worlds movie. Rather suddenly inevitable doom, would turn to an exhausted, inexplicable reprieve.
USS Liberty redux?
America just looooves perpetrating false flag (terror) attacks.
It is more American than baseball and apple pie.
Even the precious Boston Tea Party could be considered a false flag attack in which American colonists dressed up as “Indians” to commit commercial sabotage of a British ship and its contents.
There is the Gulf of Tonkin Incident to launch America’s formal entrance into the Vietnam War and the mother of all false flag attacks, Sept 11th, to launch its phony War on Terrorism.
Then there is this Made in the USA production:
These days, however, the Americans are so crazed that they can turn a non-event (like their “Russia stole our election” lie) and have most of the US political establishment, its media mouthpieces, think-tanks, and a significant portion of the American masses believe it is actual reality.
And the reason why the Americans instinctively resort to perpetrating false flag attacks is pander to their chauvinist belief that the USA is an innocent victim that is being threatened by Evil-Doers (who hate our Freedoms)–and thus the United States has a moral right to wage what in actuality are thinly disguised wars of aggression.
It is truly chilling how depraved the Americans are.
I first heard about the sacrifice of Pearl Harbour almost sixty years ago while studying American history at university, not a place known for wild conspiracy theories. I believed but at the same time I didnt believe. The data supporting the idea was a bit sketchy, and the idea seemed farfetched. Since then more data has surfaced, particularly the harassment of Japanese trade routes. But the clincher for me was FDR’s assurance to Churchill that he would do something to get America into the war. In the present time, the offering of Pearl Harbour to the gods of war is indeed ominous, since it underlines the ruthlessness of Anglo elites to retain dominance. We are on the Titanic and we have just realised a collision with the iceberg is inevitable, and all we can do is prepare for the worst while hoping for the best. And good luck with that.
The first Babylon was destroyed by Persia, why, how? Why? Because the Persians knew Babylon was all piss and wind. How? Depriving Babylon of its life source, just long enough to slip under the defences. What were the Babylonian ‘elites’ doing at the time? Read the history.
Oh, I forgot the writing on the wall. Translated I think it said ‘you have just been fingered by the fickle finger of fate … mate’.
To stop this nonsense, I think one word of warning that if any missiles from any armada ships are launched then Russia has the coordinates of Tel Aviv. As for the carriers anything that dents the flight decks will render them unusable until repaired in dock.
May I correct you: It is Islas Malvinas. We do not use names imposed by colonialists.
Cheers from an Argentinian.
An indigenous name? Sounds ‘Spanish Colonial’ to me.
Did Exocet-missile hitting HMS Sheffield even full explode? There are so many contradictory theories of that action.
We must understand motives of FDR. Pearl Harbor was only way he could sell the war for so pacifist American public. His only blunder was likely underestimating the ability of Japanese Navy pilots, one of the best pilots of that time (but just Luftwaffe, lacking numbers of trained skillful men). FDR, navy man like Churchill, expected minor losses.
Here’s irony of that tragedy. Churchill in fantasy never really understood that America will crush Winston’s so loved British Empire too. For idea of military industrial complex Pearl Harbor is holy place. It really started there. It finally crushed The Great Depression. I don’t know did Stalin calculate consequences in Dec 1941. He had his own problems. And for Hitler facts did not change so much. Kriegsmarine had been in war with USA for months. It’s interesting how FDR blamed Germany for Pearl Harbor. Germans however didn’t play huge role at all. Embargo played. USA was already economically strangling Japan.
You’re wrong , it was made clear at their meeting aboard HMS Prince of Wales.
There was still no appetite for war in europe even after Pearl Harbor.
Hitler made a fatal mistake and declared war on the USA.
One of the most memorable historical speaches on the subject:
The Pearl Harbor “bait theory” has some weak points there. What’s pretty sure is FDR did understand how Embargo will run Japan to either disaster or submissive role. But isn’t it interesting how FDR and Leahy (the real big man of military) were during the war much more talking about China than about whole Europe including Soviet Union?
During this current warmongering round there’s one thing make me confused and suspicious: why they are so silent about China, the real number one target of Empire. If US think to be Don Corleone the role for Russia is acting more like Tattaglia, the pimp, while China is Barzini, the man behind the scenes.
They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time [Quran 54:3].
If Allah were to punish men for their wrong-doing, He would not leave, on the (earth), a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: When their Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour, just as they would not be able to anticipate it (for a single hour) [Quran 16:61].
It is still ironic how these Western powers could destroy themselves by their own arrogance and blindness with the weapons they built with their own hands.
Full Color Revolution mode activated now in Armenia. Exactly like the events of the end of 2013 in Ukraine. These protestors want to please their western masters just like those on maydan. Geopolitically Armenia is a key ally for Russia and it is a good neighbour to Iran, where many ethnic Armenians live in peace with the Shia. Naturally Turkey wants to create problems there..
Russia has military bases and citizens in Armenia, will they stand up for the Eurasian Union, or give in to ‘partners’? The Turks are playing everyone making fools of everyone now, in Syria, Kosovo, Caucasus and Central Asian turkic countries. Erdogan wants to make Turkish Empire the third force of Geopolitcs, against the West and Eurasians. They will for a while pretend to be an ally of both West and Eurasia but in reality expanding a new neo Ottaman empire. Armenia is in their next step.
Dear Saker and community,
maybe you can elaborate a little on what will most likely happen in case of a broad confrontation of world war scale. I mean not in military terms but rather what mechanisms will be triggered in western countries such as the USA and western Europe? Things like internet / information censorship, forced conscription, retail restrictions, maybe restriction of movement (as in citizen relocation), curfews et cetera… With your background you must have some knowledge in this area and since we are marginally close to such an event information like this could prove vital and help a lot of people and maybe save a lot of lives.
I remember reading through emergency plans of the cold war era but that was a long time ago.
Looking forward to a reply and thank you in advance for any helpful information.
“Russia’s deadly sneak attack on a US humanitarian force”
I’m sorry Nick, not being expert like you,
I just don’t get it…
Why would be in the interest of US “Anglo-Zionist psychopaths” to start WW3 with the “false flag” attack?!
How can anybody normal expect to profit from planetary disaster?!
There is no possible analogy to the WW2 or any other war.
Simply because the WW3 will be the end of us all.
So what am I missing here?!?
They’re not intending to start WW3 – they think Russia, in Syria, when faced with “overwhelming” NATO forces will back down. Frankly, they have no reason not to think so. Because, to date, that’s what Russia has done. Russia talks, Russia pleads, Russia appeases, Russia appeals to reason, Russia even allows ‘face-saving’ atrocity – but it’s all just talk.
Russia does not hit back. Russia does not even defend her ally in Syria against US airstrikes – and that she could do. But she doesn’t. Russia has led the Americans to believe – Russia will not strike back at the US. Now it’s not Russia’s fault that the Americans are arrogant, exceptional, stupid and dumb – but it does have to be taken into account. And I’m not sure Russia has taken that into account ‘cos I get the idea the Russians still reason will prevail.
Perhaps the American generals their generals talk to are rational people but generals take their orders from a civilian govt and the US govt is neither rational nor in control. When those generals are ordered to fire they may shake their heads – but they will fire.
When they do, Russia will either back down (again) or return fire.
The Americans are certain – she will not return fire.
And I don’t know that they are wrong.
Think about it for a minute… if “NATO” launches a full scale attack on Syria that flattens infrastructure and devastates the army but does not kill a single Russian – will Russia hit back? We’ve got no reason to think so and if we have no reason to think so you can be darn sure the Americans know so.
So essentially, it’s not the Americans who will start WW3. It’s the Russians – IF they hit back.
All the Americans are doing is what the scorpion who stings the frog in Aesop’s fable is doing. They can no more go against their nature than that scorpion can.
I disagree, appearing to be irrational/mad is a propaganda strategy of Americans, granted they’re not the brightest lot, they’re also not really loony as they try to appear.Case in point the Russians said they would hit back against any launch sites that hit any Russian assets and USA/UK/Fr carefully avoided hitting any Russian assets.Also Russians don’t need to take on USA/NATO themselves, they can always just sell adequate weapons and training to the Syrians, who in turn can take care of the problem.
The Syrians can take care of “the problem?” Just need some training and weapons??
Last time the US fired 59 missiles, this time they fired 105. Next time they fire 1000 – or 10,000? Syria can’t “take care” of numbers like that so I suggest you have no idea of the fire-power potential of the US and if you think “irrational/mad” is their strategy – perhaps you can explain to me the strategy behind the CIA fighting the Pentagon (by head-chopping proxy) in Syria because, for the life of me, I can’t figure that one out. (That’s taking the biblical advice of not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing to sublime heights.)
And: “Case in point the Russians said they would hit back against any launch sites that hit any Russian assets” … well that’s the problem. As long as the US targets anything other than Russian assets – they can flatten the place because Russia will not do anything (other than talk and talk and talk and TALK) to stop them….. So the Russians might as well pack up and go home because all they’re doing is prolonging Syrian agony. Syria’s ultimate fall – even if it takes 30 years – is guaranteed by that inaction.
Sure. The Americans are not loony. Just arrogant and stupid. They have a single goal which is “We rule the world fullstop” and a score of factions each sticking their noses into the how-to-get-there pot of jam. So now they’re bringing in the Truman group .. AND they’re going to use the Arab state armies instead of their own for boots on the ground. They don’t have “a strategy” – they have about a dozen. And there’s nothing to stop Russians bombing Arabs. They’re doing it already. Perhaps those Saudi types think “state uniform by association to the USA” will protect them? Well. If the USA isn’t going to bomb Russians for their own troops then they sure as nuts on squirrels aren’t going to do it for Arab troops.
There’s a word for current US strategy. It’s not loony and it’s not irrational or mad – it’s “clusterf**k.”
I fully agree with both of your comments.
Russian inaction is a green light for rotten empire to keep pushing even harder next time. And they certainly will.
When I wrote ‘provide weapons and training to Syrians for them to take of the problem’, I wasn’t implying in the same way like the recent incident, to shoot down missiles, obviously if USA/NATO tries to fire 1000s/10000s missiles you take out the launch sites(ie- sink the ships, shoot down the planes) as soon as possible.And I think you’re missing a few things here, for instance USA firepower and military strength, regardless of how great it is, is currently spread thin all over the world, the amount of firepower/military strength they can actually afford to apply against Syria is a fraction of their whole power, which I do believe is within the capacity of Syrians to handle if they are provided with adequate weapons and training from Russians.And you forget that Iran is also there helping Syrians and I hear they have quite the missile arsenal.There’s also the matter of logistics, it is difficult and costly for any nation in the world to fight a war far from their homeland, one reason Chinese haven’t gotten involved in Syria, USA is no exception to this which is why the number of USA troops, not just in Syria but the entire region, is very low, certainly not enough to fight a major war by themselves which in turn is why they tend to depend on terrorists,’moderate rebels’,regional allies(like the Arab state armies you mention) and mercenaries to do the fighting for them.
As for CIA fighting the Pentagon in Syria, as you put it, well it’s something like the good cop/bad cop routine, CIA finds/creates groups like ISIS to cause problems in/destroy nations and topple ‘regimes’, in service of Washington’s geopolitical ambitions, then the Pentagon swoops in saves the day, defeats the evil terrorists and puts freedom/democracy loving, righteous rulers in power(who also happen to be very friendly towards Washington, while their not as friendly predecessors happened to be tragically killed by terrorists) all the while profiting from selling weapons and then rebuilding the country(like Macron recently stated) or that was how it was supposed to be until the even more evil Syrians led by Assad, assisted by Iran,Iraq,Hezbollah seriously screwed up Washington’s plans and finally the most evil Russians led by the darkest one sealed the deal and permanently ruined Washington’s plans in Syria, personally I think the American war-machine is still in a state of shock due to what happened.
I don’t think the American empire is going to last 30 years, regardless of whether there’s a war between USA and Russia, one reason Russians don’t want to engage USA directly, no point in wasting men and wealth against an opponent that’s collapsing from the inside, so Syria’s odds aren’t that bad.
America’s “madman” tactic is one that goes back to Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, who advocated that the USA portray itself as a irrational madman in order to extract concessions from the more sane members of the international community, who would appease America in order to maintain stability.
Kissinger, it should be noted, has influence over Trump.
In addition, North Korea has also practiced this madman geopolitical strategy under both Kims.
Then it’s time to call the American bluff.
Of course, it could already be too late – if the Americans already believe their bluff.
In which case – do what the Chinese did in 2005. Threaten to nuke Los Angeles.
thank’s for your effort.
Sorry to put it like this, but my core question is still unanswered.
You try to rationalize about technicalities missing the main point of my question.
We all will be dead if WW3 starts. Who can want that?!
My question is still the same and still unanswered :
“Qui Bono” ? Who benefits from scorched Earth with no possibility of survival?!
Perhaps I should look into the word “psychopaths” from “Anglo-Zionist psychopaths”.
But even “psychopaths” are not totally mad.
Even Trump is not that stupid.
I have impression that we are facing now some kind of collective stupidity.
Because I can’t find any other logical answer to my question but that.
If they think that Russians are bluffing or hesitating they are totally MAD !
Once conflict started nobody will be able to stop it !
Collective stupidity? Pretty much nuclear war was guaranteed the instant the first atomic bomb was dropped. So I guess my question is – do we really hand the world and everyone and everything on it over to madmen – because we’re scared they might kill us? Sheesh I hope not – it’s not like we’ll live forever if we cave.
Besides we are already in a nuclear war: http://bit.ly/2taaen7
Real proper nuclear bombs are just … less selective. We won’t be able to pretend to ourselves it isn’t happening because it’s happening “over there” to people we can’t see and will never have to face. (This’s America’s “depleted” uranium.)
But to answer your question “Who benefits?” Is survival (national not individual|) a benefit?
Because, war or not, one side doesn’t survive this, not as a nation. So only one side has to choose. Back down and break up – or go to war and maybe survive as a state. Options aren’t great – but they are what they are.
America has to get Russia and China back into line; back on the US-dollar-only and get rid of that horrid petroyuan convertible to gold thingie and just wipe out all that trading in own currencies nonsense that’s growing up around the world like a fungus and well those sumbees just have to buy more US treasuries again – or she will collapse economically. That happens and US hegemony is over and the states break up in the chaos. But Russia and China didn’t do all that work to get this far just to give it up for some Yankee threat. (An’ I seriously doubt those two didn’t know this day was coming – they saw Iraq + Libya.)
Now I know people have been predicting the economic collapse of the US for at least two decades but, going by the way she’s behaving these days: “Fire and Fury” over there, “Dictator” in Venezuela, “Monster Animal” in Syria and my personal favourite “RUN – THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING” in Ukraine/Eastern Europe – I’d say push has got very close to shove.
I have translated the article into spanish and I have posted the translation into the spanish blog from Pio Moa
Pio Moa is a spanish historian which has opinions about the worlds political situation which are not very different from “The Saker”
Here my translation , so if someone wants to post it on other sites of interest in spanish language.
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¿Es lo siguiente un ataque de bandera falsa en buques de la USN?
por Nick para el blog de Saker
El portaviones USS Harry S. Truman con su escolta de apoyo zarpó de la Estación Naval de la costa este de Norfolk, VA el 11 de abril.
El portaviones está acompañado por el crucero de misiles guiados USS Normandy, los destructores de misiles guiados USS Burke, Bulkeley, Forest Sherman y Farragut, y los destructores USS Jason y The Sullivans. El grupo de ataque transporta a 6.500 marineros y al escuadron aéreo Nº 1 .
Las recientes noticias sobre el hipersónico sistema de misiles Kinzhal (‘Puñal’) de Rusia han demostrado que estos buques se vuelvan obsoletos, lo que significa que los barcos y sus tripulaciones están esencialmente navegando rumbo a un sangriento depósito de chatarra.
Incluso sin la reciente actualización del si¿Es lo siguiente un ataque de bandera falsa en buques de la USN?
stema Kinzhal, la experiencia de la flota británica en el conflicto de las Malvinas ilustra la vulnerabilidad de los buques de guerra a los misiles de vuelo rasante. Además del hundimiento del HMS Sheffield y Sir Galahad, prácticamente todos los barcos británicos fueron alcanzados por al menos uno de los misiles Exocet de fabricación francesa de Argentina, un sistema de armas que ya tenía 20 años en ese momento.
—El misil Exocet hunde al HMS Sheffield durante la Guerra de las Malvinas:
Según se informa, lo único que salvó a la Armada del Reino Unido de la destrucción fue que los argentinos habían equivocado la configuración de su altímetro de misiles. ¡Los rusos no cometerán el mismo tipo de error!
Estos hechos son, por supuesto, conocidos por los planificadores militares de EE. UU.
Y, uno asumiría y esperaría, porque es su deber saberlo, también por Donald Trump. Y, sin embargo, la flota estadounidense ahora se acerca a la costa de Siria, donde se encontrará con buques de guerra estadounidenses y otros de la OTAN que ya están en posición. Juntos, formarán una gran bandada de patos sentados.
Si las personas que empujan a Trump logran lanzar un nuevo ataque contra Siria (y debemos esperar un nuevo ataque de bandera falsa) y si el aumento masivo de la potencia de fuego de la OTAN significa que suficientes misiles alcanzan suficientes objetivos para matar a soldados rusos, entonces Putin realmente no tiene más remedio que hundir la flota estadounidense.
No hay otra elección porque, sea cual sea el peligro de hacerlo, la falta de respuesta indicaría la derrota y la retirada rusa en Siria, lo que conduciría por supuesto a una rápida escalada de la presión militar contra Líbano e Irán, y significa que cuando el Imperio continúe avanzando para atacar a Rusia, sus aliados más confiables ya se habrán ido y su “bajo vientre” estará seriamente expuesto.
Así que Putin ordena la destrucción de la flota estadounidense y, una hora más tarde, todo lo que queda son restos y cadáveres destrozados en algunas mareas negras, y algunas grandísimas fotos y videoclips para ilustrar la declaración de guerra de Trump a causa del “traicionero ataque mortal de Rusia a una fuerza humanitaria de los Estados Unidos “.
¿Suena familiar? Debería hacerlo porque no estamos pensando solo en el USS Maine, el Lusitania y el Golfo de Tonkin. La costumbre de Washington de utilizar barcos hundidos para el casus belli también incluye , por supuesto, Pearl Harbor.
En caso de que necesite un recordatorio, aquí hay solo un ejemplo de los muchos videos cortos sobre la verdad sobre el ataque japonés del 7 de diciembre de 1941 que explican cómo Roosevelt tuvo información de antemano sobre el ataque planeado, pero decidió no pasarlo a la flota de patos sentados anclados:
La excusa más o menos oficial (la culpabilidad del Presidente nunca ha sido formalmente reconocida) es que haber alertado a la flota también habría alertado a los japoneses de que sus códigos navales ya se habían roto. Pero la verdad es, por supuesto, que no advirtió deliberadamente a la flota porque sabía que el sacrificio incitaría al pueblo estadounidense a una guerra contra Hitler a la que él y los que estaban rodeando y detrás de él se habían cometido, pero a los que el pueblo estadounidense se oponía.
Las circunstancias en esta ocasión son, por supuesto, algo diferentes, sobre todo si todos, con un conocimiento mínimo de la capacidad de misiles rusos, ya saben que 6.500 marineros están “en camino hacia Samara”.
Lo que hace que Donald Trump sea un tonto criminalmente incompetente, un mal jugador de póquer o un títere totalmente controlado de la élite anglosionista psicótica. Si él es uno de los dos primeros, entonces, por supuesto, todavía hay una posibilidad de que él pueda responder al desastre pestañeando y retrocediendo. En ese caso, la élite de Beltway* utilizará la tragedia humana y su humillación para sacarlo de su cargo (no es un mal premio de consolación, desde su punto de vista).
*Nota del traductor
—(“Inside the Beltway” es un termino estadounidense utilizado para caracterizar asuntos que son, o parecen ser, importantes principalmente para los funcionarios del gobierno federal de EE. UU., Sus contratistas y cabilderos, y para los medios corporativos que los cubren, en lugar de intereses y prioridades de la población general de los Estados Unidos.—–
Pero si él tercer supuesto es correcto , entonces el bombardeo “blitz” sobre la flota estadounidense llevará a la declaración inmediata de la Tercera Guerra Mundial.
De hecho, si las cosas llegan tan lejos (y probablemente estamos a 48 horas y a un video de los Cascos Blancos de distancia), entonces lo único que realmente tiene una posibilidad de detener a los psicópatas racistas anglo-sionistas es si el ataque ruso y su resultado es una demostración tan devastadora de “conmoción y pavor” como para hacer que les sea imposible ignorar una advertencia pública simultánea de Putin a Netanyahu de que cualquier respuesta hostil adicional de Estados Unidos colocará a Israel directamente en la línea de fuego también.
Eso SOLO podría ser suficiente para hacer retroceder a los Neocons. Si no, entonces la Tercera Guerra Mundial será una realidad. Puede que no se vuelva nuclear de inmediato, pero incluso si es convencional, TODO cambiará:
Las voces disidentes contra la guerra como esta se silenciarán rápidamente mediante la censura general y el internamiento; sus hijos e hijas serán reclutados; sus impuestos irán por las nubes, y tendrá que vivir con el miedo siempre presente de que, una vez que China entre en guerra contra Washington y sus estados clientes, la marea correrá tan rápido contra los ‘aliados democráticos’ que su misiles ‘humanitarios’ terminarán armados con ojivas nucleares.
Si esto te molesta (y seguramente debería), entonces todo lo que pido es que tomes la analogía de Pearl Harbor y te des cuenta de difundirla en las redes sociales AHORA MISMO. Porque una vez que esos jóvenes marineros y aviadores hayan sido sacrificados, la demanda de una guerra de “venganza” será imparable. Pero si los belicistas se dan cuenta de que muchas personas ya han entendido el plan, tal vez los haya asustado para que retrocedan.
En ese caso, la flota puede hacer algunas maniobras para salvar la cara y luego navegar de regreso a casa y podemos esperar un verano que puede ser cálido, ¡pero no tan incómodamente caliente como de otro modo!
It’s better for Google ranking if people post a link to the original, either English or Spanish.
(Google penalises what they call “plagiarism.”)
That’s presuming of course, Google ranking is relevant to The Saker – they are kinda on the “we censor that pov” side of the divide…..
The deployment of the Harry S Truman has been planned a year ago. I do not know if that includes all of the carrier squadron. The US has almost always had a carrier in the Med as far as I recall.
Personally I am not too alarmed, apparently the US knows that Russia has put the foot down. Assad stays.
Much to the chagrin of the headchoppers. Its weird that the headchoppers and ISIS are busy killing everybody else with a different religion, except Israelis… Makes you wonder does it not?
No I dont think it will come to a conflict, but if it does it will go nuclear very fast, The US will not tolerate the loss of a carrier. Will the Russians tolerate an attack on their forces?
Anyway do yourself a favour stock up on a few things, people in certain locations need not though, they are “walking dead” already. Unless they have a summer residence in Patagonia or NZ. Maybe its time to visit. Patagonia is beautiful in the winter, they say.
Icidentally Truman authorised Hiroshima and Nagaski…jessayin’
The biggest telltale clue the Pearl Harbor attack was known in advance to the US is the fact at the day of the attack the best and most advanced (and useful) ships, including aircraft carriers, were out to sea for “exercise” on Sunday morning, which happened to be a day off for almost all US personnel on the island of Hawaii. The Japanese task force had destroyed ships which would have been decommissioned in few weeks or months away, anyway.
Somethings are just too good to be mere coincidence.
The Washington habit of using sunken ships as the causus belli also of course included Pearl Harbor.
Look up USS Panay 1937…….this is one reason Neville Chamberlain who had just become Prime Minister in UK gave up on the USA as a potential help
Look, Putin will have to take a stand in Syria whether or not he wants to.
Russia’s appeasement of Western aggression which is projected primarily by the US on demand from Israel will not make Russia safe, not in short term, medium, or long term.
The weapons unveiled by Putin on March are game changers – whether or not the US and others want to acknowledge this fact.
Russia is not the country provoking WWIII in Syria.
The US, goaded by Israel, is the one doing this with tacit support from France and the UK.
Russia must not back down by even an inch, and must be prepared to destroy all their assets in the region, fully cognizant of the implications.
Its time for the Kremlin to issue an updated version of Order No. 227 and ensure that Israel and Russia’s other Western “partners” know that Russia is not bluffing.
Enough, is enough!
Haven’t just about all the U.S. wars been deliberately conjured up by contrived events? This has been a waring nation since it’s founding. Humanitarian mission? They always do try to present themselves as the heros, not villains. Essentially, they destroy every country who is a recipient of their humanitarianism and then they never leave.
I’m afraid I really have to expect the worst case scenario. Those who are really in charge are crazy enough to start a nuclear conflict and think they will win. the death of tens to hundreds of millions or more doesn’t bother them at all.
But, of course, another false flag will be staged and Russia will likely have no choice but to respond.
What should we in the west do (except voicing opposition to the plans of our politicians)? The only solution that comes to my mind is to send the sailors some soap in case they’ll get wet feet.
It will never happen…World cup is arriving pretty soon now(7 weeks).Midterms in Nov(people vote for the party of the president in power if there is a war)though no good idea for the Dems.
Putin will NEVER ever attack Israel,and they know that(as 1.2 millions ‘russians’live there,including 600.000 who are still pure russians,300.000 double nationals and the rest Israeli with russians roots).
Don’t forget the inauguration of Putin(7 may?)and the Patriotic parade(may 9th).
Economic forum in St Pete from the 25th to the 28th of May with Macron and Abe.
breaking:Macron just said on Fox that ”allies” must stay in Syria almost forever and form a new govt(understand with saudi sponsored fake opposition).Bibi via BHL gave his orders to his bank employee it seems.
US/UK/FR are all Zionists occupied countries,with slaves and bought politicians.
They don’t even represent 1% of the population of theses three countries.
France’s Macron Urges US, Allies to Stay in Syria Even After Daesh Defeat
But the truth is of course that deliberately didn’t warn the fleet because he knew that the sacrifice would goad the American people into a war against Hitler to which he and those around and behind him were committed, …
Was Roosevelt eager to engage in a war with Germany? Finally, the German army was at the front lines fighting “evil” Communism (doing the dirty work for US bankers and industrialists as well as European/German bankers and industrialists). Except a few concessions from Roosevelt the US was and has been purely a purely capitalist country. It took the US quite a long time before coming to “rescue” Western Europe from being overrun by the army of the USSR.
Just to clarify: the only facts that prevented the Royal Navy to be kept very far from the Malvinas Islands in 1882 were: 1) the Argentinians had only six Exocets and were prevented to get others by the political pressure that Margaret Thatcher put upon France’s Mitterrand; 2) the stupid Argentine junta had allowed that the internecine rivalries between the Armed Forces impacted the planning for the invasion of the islands, in such a way that the preparation of the Port Stanley (Puerto Argentino) airport in order to receive the Mirage fighters and Skyhawk attack jets was prevented. The rest is history.
I heard that the Exocet that stuck HMS “Sheffield” failed to detonate. Nevertheless, the kinetic energy of the blow was sufficient to set fire to the highly flammable tin-foil warship.
You are right. The warhed did not detonate and the fire that engulfed the ship was ignited by the explosion of the fuel left in the missile.
The Argentinians and i do remember a different story about the exocet.
Altimeter wrong …where did you get this non sense?
After some hits the British demanded from France a code that disable those missiles in air.
I was said that the french only gave it after Ingland threat the use of nuclear weapons.
The missile were effective at the beginning of the conflict and suddenly stop hitting.
Interesting post from a poster NOT on our list. Please read down to the second half where you find a vicious attack on The Saker. You may (emphasis on “may”) wish to reply however, IMO, this post should simply be trashed permanently. (ju)
Few points to correct here…..
“After some hits the British demanded from France a code that disable those missiles in air.
I was said that the french only gave it after Ingland threat the use of nuclear weapons.” – Not sure where you got this from. Please explain why HMG would risk the international backlash of the first use of nuclear weapons for the loss of a couple of ships? This is a genuinely bizarre idea. It should be stopped and never repeated.
Please explain (don’t worry, I know you can’t) how a “code” could possibly stop an Exocet once it had been fired? Clue….. it couldn’t possibly. Do some basic research on the missile and the technology available when it was designed and then used in 1982 (36 years ago).
Argentina only had a limited number of aircraft (Super Entendard) which could launch Exocet and a limited number of the missiles. The Super Entendards launched the missiles that sunk HMS Sheffield and MV Atlantic Conveyer (two were launched). The Argentinians aware of the British gaining Air Superiority over the Falklands then jury-rigged a couple of land-based launchers (on the back of a truck). One of these struck HMS Glamorgan (causing damage but not sinking the ship).
Also to “The Saker”
You clearly imply that you were a member of an intelligence agency. I believe you are lying. No Intelligence agency on earth has trained you, or if they did you failed so miserably that you were fired.
To state “In addition to the sinking of the HMS Sheffield and Sir Galahad, virtually every British ship was hit by at least one of Argentinian’s French-made Exocet missiles – a weapons system which was already 20 years old at the time.” is possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read (come on now, try harder – RFA Sir Galahad was struck by two or three 500lb bombs dropped by a totally different type of aircraft to the ones that could fire Exocets). Further, if virtually every British Ship was struck by and Exocet, how come only two were sunk by Exocets? It should be pointed out that there were over 60 RN/RFA vessels in the TF. So this wonder weapon that caused all sorts of problems and makes the USN obsolete had a 1.2% success rate.
You are a liar, a fool and dangerous to boot.
You did notice that this article was not written by me, right? As for your opinion of my skills, or lack thereof, you are absolutely entitled to it :-)
Nice suggestion with dollops of conjecture added but lacking in actual hypothetical information backing up the Pearl Harbor theory.
Yes, you’re correct to point out the history of false flags, where the US Navy does get its fair share of bother, but to extend this ‘logic’ to a carrier, isn’t something that I agree with.
Any increase in conflict will more likely to be as a result of incremental nibbles of land-based ops throughout the region, rather than on one big ‘juicy’ carrier.
What is more likely is a conflict in the Persian Gulf because the needs of the false flag will be to portray Iran as the “bad actor” in this comedy of errors so as to alienate Europe from any defense of the Nuclear deal about to be abrogated by clown-in-chief Trump.
Plus, guess who has been spoiling for a fight ever since the T-4 Syria raid got them no traction and a follow up attack early this week was received with a yawn after the spoof FUKUS attack took the limelight?
One of 2 things will be definitively decided on Syrian soil:
1.Russia folds and the international community is forced to acquiesce and acknowledge US global hegemony, or
2. America’s spurious claim to unipolarity is ripped to shreds by Russia’s hypersonic weapons.
Either way, the status quo is untenable.
Saker himself has seen this struggle as: 80% battle of “hearts and minds”, 15% economic war, 5% kinetic war. There is not much hard facts suggesting looming kinetic WW3 and US Navy sacrificing its aircraft carrier. More likely – warmongering, keeping domestic public in fear, keep “allies” (puppets) in order and use economic sanctions (which has not effect at all to China and Russia).
Just like nobody really wanted WW1, nobody want WW3 – but sad hazards and “sleep walkers” can cause it. I focus one of the dangers: “security guarantee”-system. It’s horrible mechanism though sounds so great creating “stability”.
Minor technicality – Sir Galahad was hit by conventional iron bombs dropped by an A-4.
Atlantic Conveyor was the other ship sunk by Exocet.
Be careful about using the phrase ‘false flag’. There has been a PSYOP executed in USA and UK media to poison the phrase ‘false flag’. I suggest using the phrase ‘Deception Operation’, which has not been similarly poisoned.
Another minor technicality – only two British ships were hit by Exocet missiles. All the others damaged and/or sunk were hit by iron bombs.
But there has been posted the article, that supposed: the NATO ships should only be damaged, or made inoperable.
I’m surprised no one has linked Orlov’s article yet : http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/04/end-of-era-of-naval-empires.html
Shows the big picture, which, if anything makes the scenario outlined in the sitrep above more likely. The one thing that carriers can do better than hemorrhage $$, or intimidate wayward vassals is sink.
and then there’s this
It never ceases to amaze actually horrify me the extant to which some Christians will go to teach people that a third World War has to happen to fulfill the biblical scriptures of Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog as the current nations of Germany and Russia? Furthermore this guy actually believes a solar flare is going to do in the nations of Gog and Magog lol
Thankfully or hopefully people will take this for what it is unbelievable nonsense except for George Bush that is:
I may regret posting this, but here’s an account of how George Bush tried to talk French president Jacques Chirac into supporting the invasion of Iraq:
Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”
After the 2003 call, the puzzled French leader didn’t comply with Bush’s request. Instead, his staff asked Thomas Romer, a theologian at the University of Lausanne, to analyze the weird appeal.
….In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush’s strange behavior in Lausanne University’s review, Allez Savoir….Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon.
Sounds like the crowd VP Pence runs with. All 3 of the monotheist religions have a messiah of some form return to save us. The scary part is when they are in positions of power to make it happen.
On the off chance that George Carlin was right and “there is no god or he doesn’t give a shit” I think it is a very bad idea to start WW3 expecting divine intervention.
The scary part is the Jooz and how far will they ultimately go? After two thousand years of blood sweat and tears for a homeland patience must be wearing incredibly thin and the only thing left in the Jewish consciousness is to have that temple rebuilt for their savior. Some believe it will take his arrival to even begin to think about rebuilding while others believe an earthquake will destroy the current temple thus opening the door for them to rebuild. Still others are of the opinion it will take a third world war the gog magog nonsense before that happens.
Accordingly it is the last sentence of this quote that we all need to be aware of and warn the world accordingly:
Even if you’ll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don’t care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don’t care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year’s time, I don’t really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough.
Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don’t suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered—just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! I… Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that!
If your nice civilized parents had come here in time instead of writing books about the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way to the gas chambers… now don’t be shocked, if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care. And I don’t mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal… What you lot don’t understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.
Imagine the dirty work of Zionism isn’t finished yet WOW! How far will these people go? TRM, How far?
David Duke, “Ariel Sharon: The Terrorist Behind the 9-11 Attack!” May 2, 2004 (http://davidduke.com/ariel-sharon-the-terrorist-behind-the-9-11-attack-3/).
I would recommend all read Gerry Fox book on the nonsense:
Excellent advice, thanks.
Pardon me, but the Sir Galahad was struck by three bombs from Argentinian Skyhawks and not by an Excocet missile
source : rfa sir galahad a catalogue of errors the destruction june 1982 falklands https://youtu.be/29Mww-y7jkM
I think the psychopaths running the show are trying to draw Russia into firing on them to enact NATO article 5 so that they can close bosporus straight and Russia’s most direct sea route to support the Syrian war effort.
Is this important enough for them to have a few of their own ships sacrificed to accomplish it? I think so because they are psychos and have no regard for human life.
To me, this is why Russia is showing extreme restraint. They still do not have a large force in Syria and are still exposed as are their supply lines should a shooting war with the US officially break out.
Would Turkey close the straight if Russia sank a US ship? I think so, the are not reliable “partners” in Syria, they are part of the evil forces that tried to tear Syria apart for their own gain.
There is a script and it is certainly being being played out. Big wars have agenda that goes much deeper than grabs for resources or territory, especially in today’s world of trade and highly mobile capital. The last two saw the vast consolidation and centralization of the world’s power structure and a next big war would have the same goal.
If open war between Russia and friends and the USA et al is in the play book you can bet the whole architecture of such a dangerous war has been pre mapped by those who have a say in such things, especially in this day of possible human civilization’s nuclear annihilation. Not that mistakes cannot happen. Perhaps a big war will soon result and it will escalate to the threat of nuclear weapons use. And perhaps a few cities, or more than just a few, and their populations will be destroyed but then an orchestrated call for sanity will stop the proceedings with the call for further consolidation and centralization of the world’s power structure which will see the ushering in of a “One World Order” – Peter Koenig- as “….the world being more sophisticate and prepared to march [under the circumstances] towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in last centuries…..” – D Rockefeller
Do we really believe that those few who run this planet are going to risk losing it all for so little gain? Remember the president of the Russian central bank has won the ‘Banker of the Year Award for the Euro Zone’ the last few years running. Mssrs Trump, Putin and to a greatly lesser extent Mssr Jinping, are both/all answerable, controlled and controllable by those who use nation states as appendages for the advancement of their personal agendas. The stage is set and the script has been written and the vast majority think they are watching events when they, we, all have our predetermined parts to play out.
Think in bigger terms if you wish to understand what is going down.
There have been so many aggressive attempts to escalate and they all seem to come from the West. None of the Russian “aggressions” seem real. The Ukraine, shooting down the airliner, supporting Assad in spite of his CW attacks. No hard evidence all speculative.
All the war simulations have shown any US Russia dust up going to Armageddon. It seems to me you fire 105 missiles and no one dies, why that is uncanny, it shows a certain competence. Like they were all sitting in a bunker praying one of them did not accidentally hit a Russian. They are looking for a green light to launch an all out air campaign, hoping when the s 400 lights up it won’t be as advertised. I just pray we all wake the hell up and save ourselves. Just because there are a lot of old oligarchs who are going to die anyway doesn’t give them the right to take us all with them.
I’ve been worried about the same thing. Actually ever since the last false flag chemical attack failed to produce the popular righteous indignation in the West necessary to justify starting WW3 over Syria I have been warning as such. I predicted the next false flag would be against a NATO Naval vessel or against NATO troops illegally on Syrian soil. The Gulf of Tonkin crossed my mind as did the USS Liberty but your prediction of another Pearl Harbor scenario is chilling especially given Washington’s likely response to such a humiliating defeat which would probably be a nuclear strike.
So, the Carrier Strike Group is going to the Mediterranean, the chess moves are on their way on all sides. I don’t think though, the Strike Group is being told the exact plan right now, in the same way as the other NATO naval formations are not told too, it is too early. One thing is 100% sure : the assurance of Israel’s safety. The players are are moving their pieces on the map, the first shots (if we can call them that) were done a week ago to prove the waters : mission accomplished. The players : Russia, Iran, US and it’s allies, Israel and of course Turkey (who is pulled from two directions, thus unpredictable) But there are also others : Libya, Egypt and Lebanon. Libya is still an unsolved issue for the Empire, if she wants to have a secure Mediterranean “theater of operation” she needs this country, also because in such way, Egypt can be “pressed” in case (not just for her naval bases). No need to attack Syria with a massive strike and provoke a Russian response leading to the loss of the Strike Group, followed by a declaration of war (or not), that would be too hasty and very risky. Maybe, Lebanon is the main target for now : why Lebanon ? because of Hesbollah ( the arch-enemy of Israel) it could be an unexpected false flag in Lebanon, to which the Lebanese government would ask for “help” from US and NATO, there is nothing Russia can do, just watch because it would be a “legal intervention”. Once the US and NATO troops will be there, Turkey shall show her face. What can happen next, I leave it to your imagination.
Need to be more precise. The missile did not directly sink the Sheffield. The warhead did not explode and the ship was lost as the firefighting systems were compromised. The two other ships hit by Exocets were the SS Atlantic Conveyor and HMS Glamorgan from a land based missile launch. Most of the ships were hit by good old fashioned iron bombs whose settings were wrong for the very low altitude the bombs were released so they did not arm. The British Sea Skua missiles were quite effective during the Falklands war.
They will eventually blunder into a conflict and instantly regret it. My guess is the Russians have decided to meet force with force if they are directly attacked.
So , 100 missiles fired, all missiles heading at military targets were intercepted……
Some were allowed through to target the empty soon to be demolished buildings.
Was this part of the opening salvo and was it quickly halted as a result of the 100%effiacy of the counter …..
It seems clear to me that the aim was to militarily degrade the SAF .
And that there was a face saving gesture from the Russian/strain armed forces to allow the assailants to retire gracefully while claiming success.
Were I a betting man, I would not bet on the Anglo zionists.
Thank you ! Thank you very much !
@ioan “Israel and of course Turkey (who is pulled from two directions, thus unpredictable) …Once the US and NATO troops will be there, Turkey shall show her face.”
You are one of the few that see the wildcard Turkey as crucial. So I am going to share my thoughts about it.
Trump’s conundrum amidst the deployment of the Harry Truman CVN in the Eastern Mediterranean to bolster PNAC’s Oded Yinon failing project for Greater Israel.
The conundrum faced by France – UK – USA ( FUKUS) is not just that Russia warned sternly against an all out assault of Syria but that NATO is at war against one of its own.
For Syria to be partitioned at the behest of the sponsors of the Greater Israel, Turkey must be Balkanized as well.
But Turkey has the second largest armed forces in NATO. The regime change “coup d’etat” attempt against Turkey didn’t succeed. So the Oded Yinon, PNAC, Greater Israel project has been stopped in its tracks. Turkey has been a bulwark against Russia but the Oded Yinon plan requires a Kurdistan enclave that will take lands from Iran, Syria and Turkey. This is an existential threat to Turkey. Erdogan just called for early elections, me thinks he wants an overwhelming mandate to go to war.
So the Arab NATO Sunnistan plus Israel juggernaut, is stopped in its tracks. Stopped not just by Russia, not just by China, not just by Iran but now also by the second largest army in NATO. Historically, Turkey has always been a vital long time bulwark against Russia but its loyalty to NATO is becoming more ambiguous every day.
Furthermore, the Shiite led Iraq quashed the Barzani clan’s wish to take the Mosul Nineveh lands for Kurdistan.
It is for this reason that Trump wants USA’s armed forces out of Syria and would prefer the Arab NATO plus Israel to “take over the defense” ( doublespeak for “doing the dying”) in the Kurdish enclave in Syria East of the Euphrates.
I think he suspects that this is going to be a meat grinder of Apocalyptic proportions for the sake of the Greater Israel. Much worse than Afghanistan. But the Deep State wants him in. Why not? if they plot his demise! We shall see….Oops! Yuge mistake! Trump should have listened to his own instincts while he had time!
Something else to consider. Russia has the magic switch to switch off Natural Gas pipelines supply to Western Europe. Off course, LNG could be imported from Canada and USA’s shale fracking operations. But these refrigerated tankers will have to be escorted by submarines as they are economic targets. Iran can choke off the Gulf transits deploying mines. This scenario is not pretty during General Winter. If in doubt ask Napoleon.
Furthermore, I read somewhere that during the April 13, 2018 FUKUS attack to Syria, Russian warships were positioned off the Lebanese coast where they could track and intercept anything launched from the Mediterranean to overfly Lebanon’s air space to hit Damascus. That seems to be the most logical spot as Tartus is protected. Moreover, it is not as if Hezbollah doesn’t know how to fire an effective ASM. That capability was demonstrated with the hit on the Hanit in 2006. I doubt that the Saudis have any leverage left in Lebanon’s government. Hezbollah is probably going to unleash everything they got on Israel’s military bases, airfields and then economic and strategic targets in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Dimona. They fully know that it is use it or lose it.
There is zero chance that Putin would order the sinking o a US ship … generally poker players don’t make such obvious mistakes for he has so many other options that are better … like doing nothing.
Self destructive behaviour plays right into the hands of Russia and the US seems to be on that course.
For what its worth: Douglas P Horne (who has done outstanding work on the JFK assassination) has written a two volume work on Pearl Harbour. I haven’t read it but, if his previous work is anything to go by, I expect it to be a very worthwhile piece of work.
Technically a false flag would be the US destroying its own ship. This article speaks to putting the ships in harms way, to provoke an attack.
From what I understood of Falklands story, the Argentinians managed to hit the Brits only because the British IFF systems (Identification Friend or Foe) recognized the French-made missiles as “friendly” and didn’t try to shoot them down. If that’s true, the story isn’t a right example of Argentinian capability but only of British neglect.
However, regardless of that, Soviet Union has been developing “winged rockets” since the 50s and by now they are surely more than capable of sinking whole fleets, and cheaply. Never mind the Kindzhal which isn’t in serial production yet, there are plenty of Granits and Moskits and God knows what else.
If the Kinzhal is just an airborne Iskander then serial production is underway. It might be of different metallurgy or cermets skin to endure the extreme high temperatures of hypersonic travel but re tooling won’t necessarily be an unsurmountable problem.
The USS Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group left the east coast Naval Station Norfolk, VA on 11th April to rotate Persian Gulf task force.
The subs (known as “black holes”) will get them. Every naval captain out there with a brain bigger than a radish knows this.
The Argentinians only possessed 5 air launched Exocets during the conflict. Only 2 ships were hit, Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyer. HMS Glamorgan was hit by a land launched Exocet. The majority of British ships were hit by 500 or 1000 lb unguided bombs. Most of which failed to detonate because they weren’t fused properly.
The judeomasons in Power in the Kremlin protect Israel, by allowing Israel to strike Iran and Hezbollah inside Syria anytime Israel wants.