I have an important update: based on Russian sources, including video footage and the reports of one Russian journalist on the ground, Evgenii Poddubnyi, it has become clear that the US strike was largely symbolic. Here is the evidence:
- The Russians were given a warning which they, of course, passed on to the Syrians. The Americans must have assumed that this would happen.
- The Syrian airbase was lightly damaged: a few number of aircraft were damaged or destroyed, but many of these were in repairs and could not fly. Fuel storage tanks were destroyed. A number of aircraft bunkers were damage or destroyed. A few barracks were also destroyed.
- There were 6 or 7 casualties, which is very little.
- Crucially, the runways did not suffer.
Now here is the really intriguing thing: it appears that only 23 out of a total of 59 US cruise missiles hit the base. The rest are unaccounted for. This could be due to all sorts of reasons, including Syrian and Russian air defenses or Russian electronic warfare. I tend to believe that the latter is the cause. But then, this begs another question: why did the Russians let 23 of the cruise missiles through? Possibly to appease Trump and not force him to re-strike. Other possibility, to make sure that the political fallout from this stupid and reckless attack still come back to hurt the United States (had they destroyed all the cruise missiles this would not happen).
As for the Russian political reaction, I find it rather flaccid: Russia has condemned the attack and suspended the Memorandum of Understanding on Prevention of Flight Safety Incidents in the course of operations in Syria signed with the US.
Meh, I am rather unimpressed.
Here is the full Russian MoFA statement:
The United States conducted strikes against Syrian government troops in the early hours of April 7, using chemical weapons attacks in Idlib Province as a pretext.
The US opted for a show of force, for military action against a country fighting international terrorism without taking the trouble to get the facts straight.
It is not the first time that the US chooses an irresponsible approach that aggravates problems the world is facing, and threatens international security. The very presence of military personnel from the US and other countries in Syria without consent from the Syrian government or a UN Security Council mandate is an egregious and obvious violation of international law that cannot be justified. While previous initiatives of this kind were presented as efforts to combat terrorism, now they are clearly an act of aggression against a sovereign Syria. Actions undertaken by the US today inflict further damage to the Russia-US relations.
Russia has expressed on numerous occasions that it was ready to cooperate on resolving the most urgent issues the world is facing today, and that fighting international terrorism was a top priority. However, we will never agree to unsanctioned action against the legitimate Syrian government that has been waging an uncompromising war on international terrorism for a long time.
Seeking to justify military action Washington has totally distorted what had happened in Idlib. The US could not have failed to grasp the fact that the Syrian government troops did not use chemical weapons there. Damascus simply does not have them, as confirmed a number of times by qualified experts. This was the conclusion reached by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). Over the recent years this organisation inspected almost all the facilities linked or possibly linked to Syria’s chemical weapons programme. As for Idlib, the terrorists operating there used to produce toxic land mines intended for use in Syria and Iraq. These manufacturing facilities were put out of operation in a military operation carried out by the Syrian air force.
The US pretends that it does not understand obvious things, turning a blind eye to the use of chemical weapons in Iraq, officially confirmed by Baghdad. The US refuses to believe the evidence provided by certified documents confirming the use of chemical weapons by terrorists in Aleppo. In doing so, the US is abetting international terrorism and making it stronger. New WMD attacks can be expected.
There is no doubt that the military action by the US is an attempt to divert attention from the situation in Mosul, where the campaign carried out among others by US-led coalition has resulted in hundreds of civilian casualties and an escalating humanitarian disaster.
It is obvious that the cruise missile attack was prepared in advance. Any expert understands that Washington’s decision on air strikes predates the Idlib events, which simply served as a pretext for a show of force.
Russia suspends the Memorandum of Understanding on Prevention of Flight Safety Incidents in the course of operations in Syria signed with the US.
We call on the UN Security Council to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the latest developments.
Again, I am very underwhelmed to put it mildly.
I hope that the outrage inside Russia will force Lavrov to cancel his planned meeting with Tillerson. The usually sleepy Duma seems to be uncharacteristically outraged.
On a personal note, I will be gone all day and most of the week-end I will be attending Church services for the feasts of the Annunciation and the Entry of our Lord into Jerusalem.
You can expect an analysis by Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
PS: needless to say, no chemical weapons or chemical weapon storage facilities were damaged: we know that since NOBODY, including the Russian reporters, were even carrying, nevermind wearing, any gas masks or, even less so, full chemical protection suits. This is hardly surprising since, of course, they never existed in the first place.
PPS: just for the record, this attack was a direct and clear violation of
- US national law (Trump never got Congress to authorize this attack)
- International law (Trump is now a criminal guilty of the crime of ‘aggression’)
- The UN Charter
In other words, Trump is now a war criminal and the USA a rogue state (again).
Erdogan is fully supporting the US calling for no fly zones and the direct removal of Assad as soon as possible.
I still have not stopped laughing when Scott said ”Erdogan is now our guy”.
I still have not stopped laughing when Scott said ”Erdogan is now our guy”.
Time will show if your laughter is justified or not.
>> The Saker on April 07, 2017 · at 2:43 pm UTC
>>I still have not stopped laughing when Scott said ”Erdogan is now our guy”.
>Time will show if your laughter is justified or not.
Non-getters don’t get it, hence the justified name.
Erdogan is playing Russia off against the US, a dangerous game. He may not survive the next assassination attempt, if his continual turn-coat actions outweigh his usefulness to the Syria/Russia project of an integrated Syria. Putin doesn’t need a new leader/100%-unknown factor in Turkey until the current Zionist/US/NATO Kurdistan plan is dead for Syria/Iraq/Turkey.
Erdogan is only out for himself, to become the new Sultan-for-life. If the Zionists can dream of re-creating a mythical Bible empire, then why should Erdogan give up his neo-Ottoman vision of re-creating a real Empire? At least that’s what Erdogan seems to think. Erdogan knows of the deal the US made to allow the Israeli-Zionists/Saudi-Wahabists to divide the Greater Middle East between them. Sultan Erdogan just wants his cut of the pie, which includes the part of Turkey the US wants to (sorta) give to the Kurds. (Don’t think Kurdistan will ever be anything but a US “protectorate”, like Puerto Rico.)
As for Putin’s response, he is too smart to fall for such picayune provocations. This is no 9/11. It is a blatant illegal operation, but attacking back only legitimizes the use of force. Gandhi: “An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind”, and Christ said: “Turn the other cheek”.
I think Putin correctly reads the US population’s war-weariness. Even the most patriotic USican is under no illusions that the US has wasted vast resources, valuable time and irreplaceable international goodwill since the Deep State/Zionists put Saddam in their crosshairs. The negative reaction by formerly pro-Trump Zero Hedge regular posters is visceral…they’re smarting badly as Trump merely falls into POTUS war-monger line. There is little else Trump could have done to so completely turn great swaths of his “base” against him. He clearly said no more wars, and get out of the ones Obama perpetuated… and then this? I dare say the the US won’t try to replay Colin Powell’s buffoon/liar-performance at the UN, as the WMD-scam has lost its shock value.
The US has tipped its hand on this airbase, they think they’ll need it when they invade, which is why the airstrip/taxi-ways were undamaged. Expect this airfield (and any others lightly defended) will be stocked with Russian military/aircraft and advanced defense systems within the week. If the US wants a fight, Putin will make it clear it will not be the usual “no-fly-zone” cakewalk to destroying Syria.
Agree. Erdogan has lost every credibility from now on – not that earlier he was more stable, man thought he would – he reacts every time according to the new circumstances created on the ground, how could such a man be credible ? I think next time Russia will not give him any hint.
well said, I agree.
Dear The Saker,
Check out the UNSC meeting – Russia spoke about half an hour ago and tore strips off US/UK/France:
Called them out on all their hypocrisy and lies. Also Bolivian rep was brilliant – showed a picture of Colin Powell holding up the WMD at the UNSC before Iraq invasion :).
I agree, I think pulling the US before the UNSC is actually a decent return.
It’s the next time this all happens and the White Helmets and poor little Alabed are talking to camera – that’s the real test, that’s what this is all a set up for. Cos Russia will have to respond, and the neocons will want to respond by rolling their tanks into ukraine. Balkanising Syria, Libyating Yemen, Afghanising Ukraine. And a profitable war with Russia.
Asad won’t go, because USA now can’t force him to stepping down, but they can steal blead Syria. I hope Russia won’t allow this too.
“I hope that the outrage inside Russia will force Lavrov to cancel his planned meeting with Tillerson. The usually sleepy Duma seems to be uncharacteristically outraged.”
-That seems unlikely, it seems very un-Russian to do so, to close channels of communication, quite the opposite, now is the time for more communication not less, I doubt Russia will cancel the meeting. It is not something a responsibility state would do. That is something a childish state would do, such as USA or one of its puppets.
” has become clear that the US strike was largely symbolic. Here is the evidence:”
-That is what I believe and said in the other article, Russians were warned, thus the Syrian were also warned, the base was small, it was of low importance and the attack itself caused no strategic harm, and certainly did not endanger the Syrian government.
I am very surprised that there are people who actually believe Russia will place itself between USA and Syria. Russia will do everything to avoid a conflict with USA, and if USA turns out to be utterly insane and attacks Syria, Russia will certainly back off. Russia is at a disadvantage because it is a rational state. Russia responsibility is to her people not to the Syrian people and Putin wont risk millions of Russian dying to save Syria. So if Russia gets a message from USA saying “We will attack, leave or be hit” Russia will certainly withdraw if they believe it to be true. Syria is not Russia redline, Ukraine is, and I am not even fully certain about that.
Not so sure about that at all. Russia has much more at stake than simply Syria. Backing down in front of the entire world is not something Russia can do. Not because it loves Syria, but precisely *because* Putin’s 1st and only responsibility is to Russia. Humiliation in Syria will be followed by Humiliation in Ukraine and then nonstop attempts at color revolution at home.
As for the US government, it behaves very brutishly but is definitely rational. The US will not risk openly attacking Russian forces. Neocons don’t want to die.
If it were as easy as you say it is, the US would have warned Russia to leave Syria a long time ago.
Yes, if Russia abandons Syria it will find itself fighting the Salafists in Chechnya, Dagestan and possibly even Central Asia. Every retreat that Russia makes has simply emboldened the Anglo-Zionist empire.What happens if Russia completely withdraws inside its own borders, does it think that its enemies are going to stop. Rhetorical question really. In fact Putin has said that any future war will not be fought on Russian territory. The long retreat from Berlin which started in the 1990s must stop – the alternative is abject surrender, which would be the ultimate betrayal of the Russian people and humanity in general.
“As for the US government, it behaves very brutishly but is definitely rational. The US will not risk openly attacking Russian forces. Neocons don’t want to die.”
Perhaps you have no first hand experience of the sense of invulnerability, immortality and un-accountability of the super wealthy. Coupled with the fact that the US has thrown up some of the simplest, even thickest, leaders among the leading nations, for 25 years, and I am wiling to bet you that the idea of the demise of themselves and the US has not even entered their heads.
America will die because it deserves to.
Unfortunately, that is the only thing the Russians can do at this time. The Russian military is in no shape to take on the U.S. outside of the Russian border. The Saker has articulated this point many times in his previous articles.
Russian assets in Syria are inadequate to defend all of Syria and in most cases would be overwhelmed by volleys of rockets that would be launched against them if full hostilities were to happen between the U.S. (and all western leaning powers).
Perhaps this was only a show to deflect negative press from “the Russians did it” story. After all this attack was relatively benign.
That is not to say that if the U.S. truly wanted to destroy Syria’s military assets that the U.S. military could quickly attack from multiple platforms like submarines, surface ships, and airplanes.
However, if an all-out attack should lead to heavy losses, the Americans would likely to back down. The American public is sick of war and would probably rise up against any large scale military action.
The military attack on North Korea is a non-starter. The U.S. politicians and the president will make lots of noise but in the end there is no military solution to North Korea as Seoul would quickly become a smoldering patch of land with millions dead. This is too large of a price to pay for military aggression.
@ CrazyCzar: The US/Zionist/Deep State, for all proxy-wars, political posturing and pin-prick provocations, does not want a full-spectrum, world wide confrontation with Russia/China. A full-on US/NATO/Zionist attack of Syria as you describe would be a declaration of war against Russia, and given the current military ties to China… this is a war the US cannot win. I’m sure Xi is making that clear to Trumpy during their summit. Trump may think he “summoned’ Xi, but Dumb Donald will be set straight in no uncertain terms. The Chinese are polite enough to accept an invitation, but will not tolerate well Trumpy’s blustering dumbassery. The US owes over $20trillion, and is in no position to threaten China, economically or militarily.
Russia/China have few foreign bases, but have a demonstrated superior capability to attack over great distance. The 59 Tomahawks is an expensive joke in modern warfare, demonstrating just how ineffective and inept the US/NATO military actually is. Their “advisers” keep on getting caught in caldrons, from Debaltsevo to Alleppo.
The US has about foreign 1,000 bases/naval groups world wide, and simply cannot defend them all if total war broke out. While personnel in foreign bases/at sea is only about 300,000 (of about 1.4million total) quickly sacrificing a high % of that many would cause such public outrage at home that the current Deep State/Zionist-controlled Republic would fall. The drip-drip-drip of Vietnam losses nearly did it, so the smartest guys in the Pentagon/CIA/White House rooms won’t even entertain that thought.
If we see many of those smaller bases being closed, that personnel/equipment amalgamated back to large “NATO” bases in strong allied countries (i.e. Germany/EU, Japan, Australia etc.) and reinforcement/reserve-call-ups sent there too, THEN the US is going to conventional WW3.
Nuclear WW3 will simply occur, perhaps incited by rogue-state Zionist Israel “preemptively” attacking Iran as the war in Syria is completely lost, the Kurdistan pipedream unrealized and the true liberation/re-democratization of Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Egypt begins.
Yankee go home, take the Rothschilds/Soros psychopaths with you.
Sorry. I almost spewed my coffee at the words “america” and “rise up” together, in the same vicinity.
Americans have never ‘risen up’ in their lives because, as is well know, there is no US embassy in the USA. When they have tried to ‘rise up’ they have been brutally beaten and murdered.
To quote President Putin: “Thank you, I needed a laugh.”
I don’t think Russia will give up Syria. Syria is the front line of her southern defense. The withdrawal would leave Iran open for an attack as a result. And Iran is a very important ally of Russia not just in vain. If Iran falls, the road to southern Russia is open as well and the former Soviet republics in central Asia would be swallowed by jihadists.
You are not factoring in the Black Sea naval bases, the Syrian naval base and Mediterranean access.
“I still have not stopped laughing when Scott said ”Erdogan is now our guy”
-Erdogan is his own guy.
Erdogan governs Turkey, FFS. He has everyone wanting a piece of him and his country. You can’t trust him, can’t write him off ever. He knows what he has to say, no one knows what he really thinks, wants to do, or plans. He’s in total survival mode.
The one certainty, I think, is that he has learned that Russia is much closer and a much better friend than US & Nato.
I’m just not sure that Erdogan thinks in terms of ‘friendship’…he might be a psychopath – he’s definitely not a normal thinker. He’s a lizard.
He is probably also a low-potential high achiever, which puts him firmly in the NATO camp by psychological profile.
I saw on RT where Major General Igor Konashenkov, chief spokesperson of the Russian Ministry of Defense is saying that Syria’s Air Defenses will be shored up to protect vital infrastructure.
On the surface this looks good and it could be interpreted that Russia intends to stick by Syria.
Lets hope we dont get a further clarification saying its only to protect Russian assets only.
And wherevthe hellvus China at???
China is probably being made a new offer by the Anglo-Americans. We’ll see what happens in Florida.
They’re probably not being asked to break all ties with Russia, just to forget the SCO and multi-polarity in exchange for (special status) free sailing and commerce.
If so,China might want to ask the Native Americans about the US regime’s record on agreements. Before they commit national suicide .
I know. According to you guys, Vlad, Donny and Melania should have been wine and dine in Mar-a-Lago long ago…
China is ace up the sleeve. Let the Empire blow all their strats trying to paint Russia as the bg bad, then when Russia needs help, rise the dragon.
I was encouraged by China’s response at unsc.
With the highest level of respect and personal admiration for President Putin, his reaction to Trump’s bombing of the Syrian Arab Army was predictable, as I wrote in my article for Geopolitika.Ru yesterday which accurately forecast Russia’s behavior.
I’m not condemning or criticizing it in any way, but am drawing attention to the fact that it’s possible to forecast these statements if one retains a sober and objective mindset when conducting scenario analyses.
If questions still remain, please refer to my entire article for a comprehensive explanation about Russia’s reaction:
To sum it all up, Russia will assuredly react to any intensified American aggression against Syria, whether executed unilaterally or together with its Turkish and possible Saudi-led “coalition” allies, but it won’t militarily respond to these moves in any way that would risk setting off a larger Great Power conflict.
Russia’s expected rhetoric would represent a moral victory, especially if it emphasized that the US was behaving in contravention of international law just like it was in Iraq and Libya, but this would actually be a pyrrhic one because its words would be powerless to change any of the rapidly unfolding events on the ground.
They might align with the prevailing “politically correct” zeitgeist in the Alt-Media community which self-righteously preaches the primacy of international law and Russia’s relative “moral” standing, but the “realpolitik” motivations which are guiding Russia’s strategists – for better or for worse – contradict these slogans.”
surely the point will come when Russians vox populi will not approve of continuing any co-operation with the Janus headed Erdogan, as a member of NATO-surely Russians are not going to accept working with this hydra? NATO itself will be pushing Turkey not to co-ordinate or anything else with Russia, especially as turkey and Ukraine as a willing to be member and used as such by McCain and Co plus explicit USA support, have common understandings or partnerships or diplomatic relations of various kinds…………
@ Andrew Korybko: Erdogan is living on borrowed time, and will soon find out being a former “staunch ally” of the US in the Middle East is usually a life-ending proposition (Saddam, Gadaffi). Putin will not defend Erdogan like he is Assad, even if in the near future The Sultan pledges eternal friendship to Russia. On-again/off-again gas pipelines and tourist trade is just business… being a repeat turncoat violates trust, a commodity Putin values highly. Putin understands “interests”, which is why he tolerates Erdogan’s attempts to stymie the formation of a US-controlled Kurdistan in Iraq/Syria/Turkey. (or IS Caliphate, or whatever golem some psychopathic Zionist think-tank conjures up next)
Putin saved Erdogan’s life once, overlooked the Gulenist shooting down of the Russian jet. But Turkey rejoining the US in military incursions into Syria? Putin will only help keep Erdogan in place until the Syrian issue is settled.
Well, Trump is a moron and has fallen into a trap, if only by not waiting for any investigation, bypassing the United Nations Security Council, even avoiding its vote, and went straight on to a unilateral “unproved and dastardly attack” (to use F. D. Roosevelt’s words) Syria without even presenting any proofs.
He basically destroyed the only thing that had previously retained and made a double moron of himself (regarding his former tweets).
He has destroyed all cooperation with Russia, thus also all standing that he may have had with Russia and In Syria, he completely destroyed not only his own reputation but also that of his cuntry.
He lost his only remaining allies because the official allies already consider him a dangerous nut.
Taken all in all, he has irreparably damaged all the image that Obama had painstakingly built.
All the “political capital” (so to speak) which Obama administration had built around international law with which they were bashing Russia), all the sham stories about abiding international law are going to be turned into shame for the U.S.A., as Russia can now comfortably use all the Western arsenal of lofty reasoning to bash, condemn, denounce and deride the United States of Aggression at every possible opportunity.
You’re 100% correct, Martin, Donald Trump fell right into a trap. He not only didn’t wait for any investigation, but bypassed the UNSC as well, even avoiding its vote, and went straight on to a unilateral “unproved and dastardly attack” (to use FDR’s words) on Syria without even presenting any evidence.
As you said, Trump basically destroyed the only thing that had previously retained and made a double moron of himself (regarding his former tweets). He’s destroyed all cooperation with Russia, thus also all standing that he may have had with Russia and in Syria, he completely destroyed not only his own reputation, but also that of his country. His own “base” of supporters have now turned their backs on him and will never trust him again.
All the political capital (so to speak which Obama administration had built around international law with which they were bashing Russia), all the sham stories about abiding international law are going to be turned into shame for the USA, as Russia can now comfortably use all the Western arsenal of lofty reasoning to bash, condemn, denounce and deride the United States of Aggression at every possible unity.
Very brilliantly said, Martin, and I couldn’t agree with you more. Rand Paul, in stating that Trump had violated the Separation of Powers Clause in the Constitution by bypassing Congress, is 100% right.
I don’t believe it. This is so for-planned its as blatant as Trump himself – he fell into no trap – he was fore-warned and is doing what he thinks is best…that’s Donald Trump for you.
I’m appalled at the folks who think that these people (Trump & co) are innocent fools…they’re not – making as much money as Trump has done tells us obviously that he’s a sly as they come.
I just don’t know whether he’s fooled us all, including Putin and Russia and many powerful thinkers in Russia – some of whom Saker has introduced us to – such as the ‘five minutes of common sense’ guy –
Or whether he is on course still but doing it his way – ‘go along to get along’ is an apt Trump philosophy…
It seems to me that this strike against Syria was to deflect attention away from something else – the attention of the public and the attention of the neo-cons.
Trump is not a moron. He is quite very smart and too good for some people trying to outsmart him. I watched his show, The Apprentice and the Celebrity Apprentice for years. Some of the “apprentices” (mostly celebrities) he had on his show thought they could get Trump on their sides when they were being criticized and challenged by other team members and sometimes Trump indulged them when he wanted to. Once their masks (or stupidity) came off by Trump’s shrewd maneuvering of their advantages against them. Then he fired them!
He actually made them believed Trump was on their side when the going was against them. He didn’t like what they were doing and were just exploiting him for their advantages to win. But Trump was the Boss and knew of their greed and arrogance right away.
I like to think Trump is probably using the neocons to his advantages. Once he got what he wanted from them, play up to them, bat them around, make them turn against each other and expose themselves what they are, he’ll fire them and get rid of the neocons from the government one day.
just appeared title on Duran;
I’m not convinced that the Russians speculate so to get away from the fighting at the expense of others. if they think that should “break the nose to americans”, they will do it. they will not “lead from behind”. they have honour.
It is “you give him a inch, they will take a foot”. At some point, Putin will have to act to put a stop to it. But I think for now, Putin will wait, bid his time, prepare, and look for a good point. If ISIS took Syria, the consequence would be server.
If you are indeed Andrei Korybko, each of your predictions about Russia realigning with Pakistan over India never happened and was predictably soundly rebuked by the Russian defense and diplomatic establishment and the Russian ambassador to India.
The sympathy you showed to a Salafist terrorism sponsoring state pretty much skewers your credibility as an objective analyst.
Kaai, I think its easier to attack someone who puts out a strong statement = than to put out a strong statement.
Andrew is a respectable and intelligent writer who sticks out his neck to give us alot to think about, and, by the way, of course its Andrew Korybko – !! –
Anyhoot, I think Andrew’s a very interesting participant in the events of the times, and I appreciate him and all his work…he’s a talented guy, who’s on our side….
no need to fight and bite within the ranks – just because his politics isn’t exactly your politics.
Maybe Pakistani at one time was what you said, but not any more. If you read dawn.com regular, you will find them very open mind, and modern and progressive. They are far from any kind of extremist, especially their English speaking elite. You will get a impression that the country has a great future.
CPEC has a very positive impact on the country as well. You can read it and see a different perspective from here:
A welcome CPEC benefit:
If Russia wasn’t willing to respond to NATO-GCC aggression against Syria, then the SAA would have been destroyed since 2011. It’s also because Russia is willing to respond that the US cruise missile strike was nothing more than cosmetic.
I found this lying around among my scraps of paper.
“I know of no government which stands to its obligation, even to its own despite, more solidly than the Soviet Government.” House of Commons, Yalta Debate, Feb 28.
I foolishly did not note the year, or the speaker, but my, how times have changed! Could anything like the statement below come out out of the Five Eyes + Israel now?
My military guru comments:
The only decent system that the Syrians have against cruise missiles is the Pantsir, other than that, I don’t see anything that is good enough for the job. Old systems are not very good at intercepting low altitude cruise missiles. Radar guided antiaircraft guns can do it but not against 59 missiles.
Also jets in the air but we now know these slow moving missiles are not very accurate–only 23 hit the base according to Russian Defense Ministry
The US once put great stock in cruise missile capabilities and their low-altitude stealth advantages. Proliferating inexpensive, accurate guided SAM’s over land and radar-guided machine guns on ships pretty much ended that short euphoria. Cruise missiles are pretty “stupid” compared to any recent self-navigating arms technology.
The idea to blow $100million in one artillery-style barrage is a new twist, but at a cost that the results can’t justify. Besides, the Syrian Army and Russian electronic surveillance teams won’t be caught quite so unaware again. The US public expects “shock and awe”, “precision bombing” for that kind of coin, and they got a damp squib.
I think the Deep State/Pentagoons wanted to see if they could convince Trump to fire off a bunch of old munitions so the MIC could bill 2-3 times (or more?) what the old crap cost for replacements. Some businessman, that Trumpy.
Ideal weapon against those missiles are electronic jamming systems in my opinion. That should be Russian priority when talking about increasing air-defense abilities of Syrian Army. And that was probably used and resulted with only 23 of 59 missiles hitting their targets.
@teranam, your supposition that tomahawks cruise missiles are not accurate is an incorrect assumption: they are supported by GPS guidance and have multiple other guidance systems as a backup and active, and can hit a specific building from over 600Km. If only 23 got through that can only mean two possibilities:
1) Malfunction: Highly unlikely due to the large number of failures that would have to have taken place for almost 2/3rds of the missiles to have failed to reach their targets – Not Likely
2) The missiles were interfered with and/or brought down: This is the highest probability cause for the destruction of 36 out of the 59 missiles. Of course these slow moving non-stealth missiles can be tracked, followed and shot down by average supersonic interceptors even a mig 21 can do it, it’s literally a turkey shoot. Now there is one big limitation in the case of the Syrian Airforce – do they have night capabilities? I don’t know the answer to that. As for the SAMs that can bring down this huge oversized old-tech cruise missile (1980s-1990s technology) even systems less than a pantsir can bring it down. The stupid thing flies at Mach 0.8 and in a straight line at low but unvarying altitude. – High probability.
3) The Russians lied and all 59 Tomaturd missiles got thru even though they miraculously did very little damage and left the airfield intact. – I just don’t see the Russians engage in this type stupidity (that’s the monopoly of blowhard regimes like the Ukie Junta, the crumbling Brit military, the US, the Pakistanis and the Saudis), but you are free to not believe the Russian account. -Low probability
There is one other possibility — however unlikely: there was US military someone who did not want to see the air base destroyed, either to not harm the destruction of the terrorist or for political reasons, and had them sent astray somehow. Keep in mind that when Obama was considering striking Syria there some high level people who opposed it and prevented it.
Or if not military people, possibly the butler did it — it’s hard to discount anything.
Yet, malfunction may not be so improbable if maintenance was neglected, as it is in other military areas. Do these require maintenance? Do they deteriorate with age?
Thanks Saker. They have a thing to do bad things around Easter Holidays (Belgrade bombing, 1944). Nothing good will come of this, that’s for sure.
Hugs to all!
on Good Friday too, Treviso, Italy, a town of no military interest, completely destroyed on the 7th April 1944: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Treviso_in_World_War_II
At the end of the war, the city suffered an Allied bombing on 7 April 1944 (Good Friday). A large part of the medieval structures (12th Century) of the city center were destroyed—including part of the Palazzo dei Trecento, later rebuilt—causing the death of about 1,000 people.
Yes a gratuitous warcrime. Or is it? Dresden, Montecassino and the barely avoided destruction by explosives of Paris, Moscow and St Petersburg are surely on a continuum with the destruction of Aleppo and Palmyra, as well as Baghdad and Tripoli, as well as the Buddhas in Afghanistan.
It is striking that the atititude to this destruction seems to shift diametrically depending on which side you are on. I certainly see the hand of the Three Reichs (the FIrst being Rome) in most of the historical atrocities of modern history.
From Frederick Barbarossa (Second Reich) to Adolf Hitler (Third Reich) to the Trump/Clinton/Bush Dynasty +Israel, you have many carry-over traits. One of them is Germanic blood. Another is the direction of the attacks and the locus of the action. The locus is the Middle East and Eastern Europe, the direction of the attacks is Eastwards.
The underlying ideology of the Three newest Reichs, is the same: God, Race, Blood and the total annihilation of those outside those three categories.
It’s not as if any of them were Christians.
Yes. I forgot. Talmudo Satanists have their unhappiest time of year around the Paschal Resurrection. The second worst after Christmas. Kissinger bombed Hanoi on Christmas Day. That must have made Christian Americans really proud.
Henry is now (almost) an immortal in the pantheon of US heroes. His despicably shabby and talmudo-satanic ‘thought’ has become, reflexively, both foreign and domestic policy:
“The chief task of the USA is now the depopulation of the Third World.” H. Kissinger
How convenient; you free up the land for Monsanto, fertilize it with its rightful owners and make a shitload of money for your Carlyle Group investments in the arms trade. I believe this is what Americans call a ‘win-win…win’. And how ‘elastic’ the locus of a Third World has proven to be.
If it is not Third World before Americans arrive it soon will be.
“We will bomb them back to the Dark Ages”. – George Bush the First.
For a few busted planes, you’ve lost every rational voter in America.
Was the price worth it, Madeline Trump?
well said…..in perfect perspective……
Yes, this is very true.
I was a Trump supporter holding out some glimmer of hope that electing him instead of Hillary would prevent escalation in Syria.
Trump has forever lost my support. There is nothing he can do from here that will ever restore it. 1 term president now. I support making it less than full term also. He does not have rationale one should have in his position.
Every caller on the conservative talk show I listen to was against action in Syria yesterday. It is my opinion that is why they struck last night. Before the American voices could be heard in strength.
A stupid, stupid attack which accomplished no tactical objective. Its strategic objective of forcing war is still very possible but, the war will be based on an illegal and unilateral action by the U.S. which will ultimately undermine it.
Active Patriot said: “Every caller on the conservative talk show I listen to was against action in Syria yesterday.”
Gee, only took 5 years for the US conservatives to notice how screwed up the US/NATO/Israeli policy in Syria was. Say only 15 years for active war in Iraq/Afghanistan? And only about 60 years since the CIA overthrew the legally elected gov’t of Mossadegh in Iran, meddled in the Suez Crisis etc., which really set so much of all this current mess in motion. Funny, the same time as the US called an “armistice” on their direct war-meddling in Korea. You people just never learn eh?
As I said in previous threads, self preservation (or that of your immediate family) has a sobering effect on warmongery, spying and its related activities in the public mind. The potential for US kiddies to be facing the Russian military is a sobering scenario. Also, the Syrian Army and Hezbolla are well-equipped, tough, battle-hardened and fighting for their homeland.
So of course the “conservatives” don’t want to shift from the Israeli-Zionist/Saudi-Wahabbist supply routes for the recruiting/arming of ISIS/Al Qaeda proxy-terrorists. Putting US military kids in danger kinda screws up the program, as many of those “conservatives” will have advised their latest progeny that there would never be another major Iraq/Afghanistan-style deployment. And they are butt-hurt that Trumpy would betray them, doing pretty much what the Clinton Crime Cabal would have done.
Building useless but expensive walls and pointlessly pissing off Muslim travelers/immigrants is one thing, sending red, white and blue US kiddies off to fight Israel’s proxy wars is another. After being continuously at war/genocide/regime-change since before 1776, time for a change of attitude before US “patriots” get us all blown up.
Now if a majority of US voters had the good sense to abandon both Dem/Rep halves of the Zionist-warmonger/Manifest Destiny Party and put in a full slate of intelligent, not-paid-for independents, the US might survive in some form. Otherwise, there will be a lot of smoking radioactive holes where US cities/military bases used to be.
Trumps base will be fractured beyond repair if this escalates. It is WWIII over at Breitbart between the Neocons and the Populists.
“Trumps base will be fractured beyond repair if this escalates. It is WWIII over at Breitbart between the Neocons and the Populists.”
^ I can vouch for that. I’ve been reading comments all day and Breitbart is indeed some vicious battle ground at the moment. It’s the: ‘we support Trump no matter what he does or doesn’t’ vs. the: ‘Damn it, Trump! We didn’t vote you in for this!’ – Unsurprisingly, the latter group are the better informed one, often posting links to articles exposing the jihadi “revels” as the true culprits of the alleged chemical weapons attack.
Other, more high-profile, staunch Trump supporters are speaking out too…
Pamela Geller on Syria Strike: ‘What Is the Objective? Which Al-Qaeda Satellite Are We Partnering With?’
“I’m deeply concerned. I don’t understand it,” Geller said. “It seems like a knee-jerk reaction. It doesn’t speak to a coherent policy. It seems to me that Trump has switched sides.” [..]
^ That on top of this:
‘Where will it end?’ Nigel Farage casts doubt on pal Donald Trump’s strike on Syria
“Mr Farage posted on Twitter: “Many Trump voters will be worried about this military intervention. Where will it end?” [..]
And this… [spoiler alert: the 5 people are: InfoWars Alex Jones, Michael Savage, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo Yiannopoulos (I know, of all people!) and Ann Coulter]
5 famous Trump supporters who oppose war with Syria
What can I say? It seems if you want your most vocal and loyal supporters to desert you overnight… bombing Syria for no reason, apparently, is the way to achieve it and in record time.
Bravo, Trump, Bravo! *slow-clap*
In the 90s the same PsyOp was successfully conducted by NATO-backed terrorists in the war against Yugoslavia.
“The 1992 “Breadline Massacre”: “United Nations officials and senior Western military officers believe some of the worst killings in Sarajevo, including the massacre of at least 16 people in a bread queue, were carried out by the city’s mainly Muslim defenders — not Serb besiegers — as a propaganda ploy to win world sympathy and military intervention. . . . Classified reports to the UN force commander, General Satish Nambiar, concluded . . . that Bosnian forces loyal to President Alija Izetbegovic may have detonated a bomb. ‘We believe it was a command-detonated explosion, probably in a can,’ a UN official said then. ‘The large impact which is there now is not necessarily similar or anywhere near as large as we came to expect with a mortar round landing on a paved surface.” [“Muslims ‘slaughter their own people’,” (London) The Independent, 8/22/92]
“‘They [i.e., the Muslims] have committed this carnage on their own people?’ I exclaimed in consternation. ‘Yes,’ confirmed the Prime Minister without hesitation, ‘but at least they have forced NATO to intervene.'”
“Canadian (UN) soldier testimonies from book : The Sharp End” by James D. Davis
Bosnians murdered their own people in well-staged attacks for PR reasons”
“PSYOP increase the relative combat power of friendly forces and adversely affect the combat power of the adversary. PSYOP accomplish this result by targeting the identified vulnerabilities of foreign audiences through the employment of the PSYOP development process. Within the DOD, the Army has the primary military role to conduct PSYOP. Army PSYOP units perform this role by supporting U.S. national policy, by conducting PSYOP in support of military operations and United States Government (USG) agencies, and by providing PSYOP training, advice, and assistance to U.S. forces and to friendly nations.”
if 100% missile fail then party possessing missile will stop using that type missile. let some through to maintain back foot of opponent and doubt in mind of attacker. logic, no?
“In other words, Trump is now a war criminal and the USA a rogue state (again)”.
When was the US not a rogue state ?
What about the 200 civilians in Mosul and probably hundreds if not thousands more who died from US bombings in recent weeks for a handful of ISIS thugs ?
And the numerous hundreds of thousands if not millions that the US has massacred from the air in the past decades?
Since the end of WWII, according to Wikipedia (and it is not reliable, right?), over 50 million people have died in wars and interferences around the world. Who is behind them?
Indeed, if the Democrats really wanted to impeach Trump, they would have little difficulty now. Unlike the attack on Deir Zor which the US denied was intentional, Trump has willing boasted of committing a war crime.
He has violated the US constitution, ignoring congress, not received authorization from the UNSC, and violated the UN charter, as well as the Nuremburg principles in initiating an agressive act of war on a sovereign state.
No evidence of Russian Trump collusions, but an impeachable willing confession of a violation of both US law and international law. What’s not to impeach. Go to it Democrats!
Please could you use another name when commenting as we already have a commenter named blue. Thx. To stop the confusion – the name blue has been removed from your post. Mod
Ha, the democrats (sic) would never use this to stop Trump – they have just learned from his act a lesson that they may repeat if they have a chance…
Trump actions are no suprise for me. He continues the agenda:
One good thing; USA is loosing and it is desperate to achive any major gain in Syria. They were avoinding direct intervention, but now they have no option. It is clearly to costly for them – 100 milion of dollars in rockets alone, were wasted for few old & grounded aircrafts and only minor damage to runway.
I’m only suprised how insufficent was this strike. Such precision weapon and it can’t damage the airfield. It is true that, USA army is only good against 3 world countries, when mutliple NATO countries are attacking one state armed with outdated equipment.
I think the Russkis should follow Nikki Haley’s example, and use pictures of children at the UN, the way she did. For example, there’s what I think is a famous picture of a man carrying a girl out of rubble from an American bombing in Iraq, with both of her feet blown off. There’s also horrible pictures of hideously deformed babies from Fallujah, that the US ‘blessed’ with ample DU and other mutagenic chemical agents.
The first time I ever felt truly ashamed by my country, the US, was when I saw those pictures of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Gharaib, such as the one with electrical wires running into their genitals. It’s like we had become a modern day Rome; only the pompous celebrations were missing from our orgies of violence. So, once in a while, the Russkis at the UN can remind the world of, ahem, US interrogation practices of adults, as well.
It seems like a judo type thing to do. And, after all, the US has far more foreign policy scandals to be held up for public display that the Russkis do.
The only question, in my mind, is how long should the Russkis do this? ‘Obviously’, long enough for it to become common knowledge. But afterwards, should it be kept up until the US definitely makes a sea change in its foreign policy, say along the lines of candidate Trump?
One of the most depressing things about the bombing is not just the lack of justifying evidence, but the fact that “allies” like Britain, Japan, and Jordan have voiced support for this outrage. Their domestic populations deserve to be enlightened regarding the shame their leaders are endorsing. That should force some of them to back off, thereby not encouraging Trump tranforming into a permanent neocon stooge.
On the plus side, much of Trump’s base have, apparently, condemned this insanity. I was banned from reddit.com/r/The_Donald, basically for posting critical link of Trump. I’d noticed that there was hardly ever any criticism of Trump, and dismissed the sub-reddit as a brainless fanboy site. However, just before the bombing, the front page (most recommended) carried a number of posts IMPLICITLY critical of Trump, such as:
“PAGING PRESIDENT TRUMP!!! Don’t get dragged into the swamp. Don’t negotiate with globalists. Keep us out of war with Syria. Shut down funding for rebels.” / “Warmongers, neocons, McCain, Graham, MSM, the Deep State, are coming out in full force, demanding for military intervention in Syria. the current syria situation is reminiscent of the lead-up to the Iraq War. We DO NOT WANT IRAQ 2.0” / “ISIS is FINALLY on the ropes, Aleppo freed from them after years of war, the world’s eyes are on Assad as he finally sees the light at the end of the tunnel…and he chooses NOW to gas some babies. Utter BULLSHIT. The Deep State CREATES THE NEWS to control people. Dangerous times ahead…”
Trump throws a punch, smashes the helpless innocent guy in the face, and all his detractors rush up to him to pat him on the back and tell him that at last he has proven himself worthy. Yes that situation is ***really*** going to dissuade Trump from immediately escalating in Syria, Iran, Yemen, North Korea and Ukraine. Did IQs here just massively drop?
Only a complete moron indulges in wishful thinking at a time like this. It is like the appeasement of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s all over again. Trump has tasted blood and been ‘blooded’ (a UK ‘hunting’ term) all at the same time. And everyone that matters around him is screaming their approval and telling him to go for more. Nothing, and I mean ***nothing*** is going to prevent Trump from the next act of increasing mega-violence in the next few weeks.
The EU and Britain and Israel and Turkey have agreed to form a military alliance to finish off Assad. They see Putin, with every good reason, as ‘spineless’ and feel he’ll protect Syria just as well as Russia ‘protected’ Libya or Yugoslavia. After all the war in Syria won’t be ‘against’ Russia once Russia withdraw most of its forces as the ‘coalition’ begins attacking in earnest, so where’s the problem?
But, thank’s to Putin’s inaction, Syria is done. The real focus now moves to Iran, Ukraine and North Korea. We are a few months away from Trump launching massive bombing actions against Iran. The UK is stockpiling massive amounts of weaponary for use by Israel in Lebanon. NATO forces are readying strikes against East Ukraine ‘rebels’. The Deep State has terror ‘spectaculars’ ready to go in Crimea. And Trump can begin an Earth shattering war in the Far East by attacking North Korea at any moment deemed ‘useful’. The strategy is to keep Putin ‘confused’ and ‘dazed’, unable to understand where it is worth Russia making a stand. To make Putin shrink to caring only about the Russian Federation and nothing else.
‘First blood’ is always a small, controlled, ‘safe’ action. People who see the ‘first blood’ event and say “oh, that’s nothing to worry about” are the biggest fools in the world.
“But, thank’s to Putin’s inaction, Syria is done.”
Whatever buddy. Syria is standing up to the West’s asymmetrical war for six years now, and in big part that is because of Russia, Iran and the glorious Hezbollah movement.
Ever heard of winning the battle but ***losing*** the war. People who hero worship Putin, and thus accept no criticism of him are like the same fools who hero worshipped Trump when he first defeated Clinton.
As I type, the UK is delivering a sickening, evil and predictive attack against Russia in the UN, understanding that Russia is now ‘on the ropes’ and will no longer by able to hold back the demons in Syria. Who cares if Russia has (just about) propped up the legitimate government in Syria across the last few years. Putin has made it abundantly clear that if the West chooses to move against Syria openly, Russia will offer no resistance. Putin’s ***only*** strategy was cease fires and negotiations between the warring parties in Syria, as if the war their was some kind of ‘misunderstanding’ or ‘mistake’. You can ***negotiate*** for peace successfully ***only*** if the empire powers involved all want peace. What clown thinks the West wants peace in Syria.
What clown thinks Russia will allow Syria to trigger WW3 either? Once Syria threatens ***direct*** conflict between Russia and the West, Russia is gone, just like with Libya and Yugoslavia. Putin can be backed-down every time with the all-or-nothing strategy of the West.
Putin got down on his knees and begged Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to see things Russia’s way in Syria, and gave each terrorist nation massive rewards to do so. They have each laughingly stabbed Putin in the back today. Russia has ***no*** allies outside its little circle- a fact that has the UK UN representitive in hysterics in the UN chamber just now.
Russia had just one ***brave*** ***just*** move after yesterday- to destroy the US ships that attacked Syria. And ***no***, the USA would not have escalated as a result- instead the population of our planet would have recoiled in terror at the prospect of Trump warmongering threatening our future, and the neo-cons and neo-libs would have been finished. All or nothing would work even better as a Russian strategy- but Putin is too ‘civilised’ to ever get that.
Trump has had his first real ‘hit’ of power, and is going to crave more and more and more and more and more. He is going to be gagging for the next strike, and with Russia’s reputation in the toilet (because Putin refused to firmly embrace Trump immediately after his election), Trump is going to want to ‘kick’ Russian interests even more. And that means ***punishment*** and ***pain***, methods the ‘enemies’ of America across history have known only too well.
But hey, ‘buddy’ go back to sticking your head in the sand and hero worshipping Putin. Convince yourself that America never means what it says, despite over 200 years of murderous American hyper-aggression. This bully needs a ‘punch in the nose’ to stop it dead. Nothing else will get the job done.
Putin and Xi have held the Rothschild/US/NATO/Deep State largely impotent in their psychotic agenda of world domination, or to alternately create WW3. You are following the logic that started nearly every major war since forever. The difference being, this time the psychopaths can destroy the world.
Why would Putin attack the US military directly? No Russian military personnel were killed/injured nor aircraft destroyed by the cruise missiles. The US picked a facility with no Russians for a reason… they are cowards, afraid to take on Russia. And if Putin did order direct strikes, the US could claim Russia provoked the war… use your head!
We’re going to see much more tension before release and resolution. I believe the Russians and the Syrians are of those few people whose hearts are big enough to grieve not only their own, but also for the future generations and for their enemies. This is why we are still all alive.
I agree with ALL you have said. Putin’s inaction and quick resort to diplomacy has only shown weakness and emboldened the hegemon even more. Time and time again, the empire has invaded and overthrown countries, destroyed a couple beyond repair and all Russia has done is wait by the sidelines. Putin probably out of fear of being demonized as a villain knowing the clout and propaganda that the empire enjoys world over and also due to the fact that the empire indeed has a much larger and more formidable military, has bent over backwards to accommodate the West’s blatant aggression. What makes the whole situation even more troublesome for Russia is that seating on the throne is a completely unhinged megalomaniac that is lapping up all the adulation and praise directed at him in the wake of this reckless attack. An attention seeking wh0re such as Trump is only going to want more and more and he is likely to act even more impulsively and continue with attacks.
Putin has only one trump (pun intended) card: call the empire’s bluff and sink one of it’s destroyers in retaliation if another attack is launched. I am willing to bet that like a high school bully, the empire would be frozen into shock, unable to comprehend what had just happened and will stand down with the understanding that Russia is willing to go nuclear should hostilities continue. Having a couple of nuclear armed subs off the coasts of Amerika will send a clear enough signal to the empire.
Good call on this being a PR stunt. If Americans are serious, there will be more attacks. I doubt that.
On the other hand, this brainless PR move is a perfect excuse for Russia to bring in more fighter jets and aerospace defense systems to make Syria a fortress.
The long-term American goal is partition of Syria. Russians will not fight the Americans directly to stop this. They will, however, arm and train Syrians to fight Americans and land-grabbers. All in due time.
This mild Russian response may be the smart thing to do, as long as things don’t escalate. Once again, the U.S. is shooting itself in the foot. Maybe Trump will ultimately end up firing more people– I hope. He is kicking a hornet’s nest and he can’t even come up with a remotely plausible casus belli. Who is going to believe this crap outside of some gullible Americans and Europeans? I think the Russians will come out ahead as long as things stop here.
How is he shooting himself in the foot?
The way I see it the US has learned that it can do anything it likes to a country be it send In troops or drop missiles and bombs on it and the best part is they know that nobody will ever shoot back at them.
So if you were the US wouldn’t you just go on and on bombing and attacking and looting and subverting because there ain’t nobody out there who’s gonna stop you?
“How is he shooting himself in the foot?”
1) The USG exposes itself to the U.S. public and world as a belligerent liar. U.S. intentions and credibility become more suspect.
2) Both U.S. and international law have been violated. This undermines USG legitimacy.
3) Politically, I think the U.S. public will roast both congress and the White House for this. Can congresses 17% approval rating fall lower? (Could this have been Trump’s plan all along? To appear to side with the neocons and then antagonize the public against the neocon agenda? Probably not, but who knows.)
4) The U.S. is investing substantial resources in a useless and counterproductive exercise. This will also undermine confidence in the USG “leadership”.
Military Guru says South Front Video has it right mostly:Forecasting Escalation Scenario in Syria
Trump. Deal. “Making a Deal on Syria.” The English word “deal” is etymologically the same as the German word “Teil”, just that pronunciation and meaning have drifted apart over time. Pointing this out because “Teil” means “part” and “Teilung” means “division”. Highlighting the point that a deal on Syria, as stated at the end of the video in the realist scenario (after the nutty nuke nonsense), will likely mean the division of Syria.
How disappointing. :(
But hey, Russia will get to keep her Tartus base. :]
I was so wishing for godsped missiles to rip the Usanian terror vessels apart, destroy their terror bases all over the place and their terror planes on the ground.
Most confusing of all the assessment by Thierry Meyssan posted by TMWNS below.
The fog of war is too dense – I’m lost, at least for the moment.
thanks so much Teranam 13 – so interesting.
Much as I would like to see Russia blow those US ships out of the Mediterranean – I wonder if its the right thing to do…probably not.
also, if the Russians took out those ships in the Mediterranean – how could the ships launch missiles ?
Distraction: Truck incident in Stockholm. From the pictures shown on RT and CNN, it very much smells like another hoax: area cordoned off, lots of law enforcement standing idly around, some masked with heavy weapons (purpose???), actors running from left to right and back again, journos standing idly by and filming, and so on. So after Nizza, Berlin and London, this is the latest terror hoax.
‘…Only a complete moron indulges in wishful thinking at a time like this. It is like the appeasement of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s all over again. Trump has tasted blood and been ‘blooded’ (a UK ‘hunting’ term) all at the same time. And everyone that matters around him is screaming their approval and telling him to go for more. Nothing, and I mean ***nothing*** is going to prevent Trump from the next act of increasing mega-violence in the next few weeks…’
Right on brother…
I simply cannot believe the ridiculous blather here about the strike on Syria being some kind of PR stunt…
Folks this so-called ‘PR strike’ is in fact the first little droplets of a ‘perfect storm’ about to explode
No we cannot be sure of this from where we, as spectators sit…but rest assured that the RF military staff have the whole back story…
Please note VVP’s remarks…that this strike was ‘months in the making…’
This little soundbite tells you everything you need to know…
Wars do not start never mind the fog of so-called war reporting…I don’t give a darn what some reporter said where…any fool can smell war in air…
To relax now as some are advocating here is the height of folly…
I have nothing more to add to twilight’s excellent note [the only intelligent comment here]…
My only reservation is that I have not yet written off VVP…and so Syria is not yet ‘done…’
Like any good player Putin is…or should be… keeping his cards close to his chest and no doubt his powder dry…
If, as I suspect this is in fact the opening gambit of a full-out war on Syria…then I believe that RF has no choice but to fight with all she can muster…
Anything else is a game-loser as twilight points out…
PS: I will not go into details as to why this is the opening shot of a major war on Syria…but suffice to say that Turkey’s invasion last year clearly telegraphed this direction…
Tillerson’s visit to Ankara just days before the missiles fly…?…coincidence…I think not…
Erdo’s Jihidist puppets in Idlib cooking up a convenient ‘gas story’ right after Tillerson leaves…?
Another coincidence…?…how many ‘coincidences’ does it take before it’s no longer a coincidence…?
I agree, the confrontation with the west has to be in Syria, for at least three reasons.
1. Economic – Russian oil and gas companies have infrastructure in place to develop the transportation pipeline to supply the energy needs of the European Union members. That makes the Russian Federation a key competitor in the Middle East. If Russia capitulates to the U.S. and relinquishes its investment by force of arms, it will be a serious blow to the future economy of the nation. Therefore this Russian asset in Syria must be protected as a priority.
2. Foreign Exchange – Russia, China, Iran and other nations are building a monetary system to compete with the Petro-dollar. Investments have been made by this nascent alliance to create a new system of currency settlements for payments on international trade and bypass the existing system tied to the U.S. dollar. However there is an underlying perception of trust that transcends more than money; it is based upon an understanding of respect that will make this cooperative effort work. An integral part of that trust will be to honor commitments made by each member of the alliance to one another.
What does it say if Russia backs down on its affirmation to destroy the terrorists in Syria and forego backing the Assad administration because of a probable military confrontation with the U.S.? It reports that Russia has two faces and two faced entities can change with the wind, in war and in commerce. Diplomacy has failed and now she has to stand up to the U.S. bully, be strong and unwavering. The alliance will scrutinize and question the viability of this new enterprise to compete with the unholy dollar. The burden has been set on Russia’s mighty shoulders to lead the way.
3. Military Defense – Imagine you are a leader of a 1000 year old sovereign nation whose citizens are diverse, ethically, culturally and spiritually. You learned growing up of horrific battles fought by ancient tribal leaders, monarchs and modern day presidents who embraced a vision to make societal changes for the betterment of the citizenry. The people endured great suffering but persevered for they held onto something; a common thread deep in their marrow that gave life to their blood and intellectual hope to their mind.
Here in Syria, we witness another epic challenge for Mother Russia and her people that will surely be recorded as a monumental event in the nation’s history. The battle against the multi-headed beast must be in this land so as not to face it at home where it has ample support in border States and poses a greater loss of life for the citizenry. This strategy is from a worn out page of the imperialist playbook (fight them over there, not in our backyard) and it is appropriate for now.
A brave soul knows fear but is not afraid to face it. Russia cannot leave Syria, not under these dire circumstances. She must sharpen her bear claws and stand tall with resolve. She is a greater life force than the dark beast and must defeat it. This is her time, this has to be her victory, unconditionally with no remorse and no regret. Past failures are a learning moment only and not to be repeated.
President Putin must place the “Shashka of Persuasion” into the hands of Defense Minister Shoigu and Shoigu must move immediately to protect and bolster Russian military forces in Syria. Divisions of Russian Defense forces must be mobilized and sent into the country. The naval base at Tartus must be reinforced with men and equipment as well as the airbase at Khmeimim. Syrian territorial waters must be patrolled by surface and submarine vessels. President Assad must declare a “No Fly Zone” over his country. The Syrian airspace must be completely blanketed by surface-to-air defense systems and every square meter of the country’s perimeter must be covered. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out without approval from Russian Defense Forces.
Any attempt to do so by coalition aircraft including Turkey or Israel’s air force whether it be purposed for attacking ISIS/ISIL Inc. or re-supplying U.S. ground forces near Raqqa will be ordered away or shot down. Assad must issue a directive to Washington, DC that U.S. ground troops must leave Syria immediately or they will be escorted and marched to the Iraqi border. I fear anything short of this action in Syria will embolden Washington to move against Russia from Donbass and create a battle space in the Black Sea to invade the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea.
Look at it from this perspective. Every year on May 9, Russia honors its military heroes of the great patriotic war with a huge display of military hardware, men marching and aircraft in Red Square. Why not do it for real in Syria, where such an act reaffirms that Russia abides by international law and can be trusted to stand up against fascism and tyranny?
Thank you for that excellent post…
There can be no more game playing now because I tell ya’ folks…there is a big Syria invasion in the works…and it’s going to come from Turkish territory…
It is amazing to me how everyone still continues to blather on about Turkey and the Kurds…
I will tell you this right now…Turkey is…and has been…the prime mover in the tilt against Syria for a long time…
I have posted this link already several times but nobody seems to have bothered to read this…please read it…history…if not exactly repeating does often rhyme…
Now before posting the link I will give some context…this article was written by a Council on Foreign Relations guy back in 2013…exactly when Obama was just about to pull the trigger on Syria…
The point of the article was to give some historical perspective…please folks…when you see events suddenly start picking up speed like this…it is always important to try to absorb as much history as possible…
Many here are always screaming about Israel…yes Israel is a dirtbag…but they are too small a force to overrun and occupy Syria…
The US always prefers someone else to do their fighting for them…and they will of course provide massive aerial and cruise missile strikes…
The only player in the region who is…or ever was…powerful enough to overrun and occupy Syria is Turkey…
The following citation comes from a book called…The First War on Terrorism: Counter-Terrorism Policy during the Reagan Administration
‘…When Assad challenges Israel and the Marines in Lebanon, he knows that if Israel attacks him it cannot occupy all of Syria. Assad feels he can always retreat to the North and set up a smaller state and with stronger Alawite control. However, if Turkey is brought into the calculations of Rifaat [Assad] (the real power in Syria) and Hafez, their calculations will be totally different and would be impossible to add up without losing their power. If Syria is attacked by Turkey from the north the Alawite stronghold will be gone at the start and Assad and his supporters will have to fall back on an ocean of hateful Sunni moslems (sic) in the south where they will be eaten like lost sheep. Therefore the pressure on Syria should come from Turkey and not from the Marines and or Israel…’
The link to the article is here…
Now let’s step back for a minute…we must realize that the general public…including those here…tend to work under certain or other assumptions…simply because we do not have very much information…
We know that Obama pulled back from the brink in 2013…but we don’t really know why…for one thing there was not huge public support at the time…with Libya still fresh in people’s minds the UK parliament voted against it…there was not much support in US congress either…
The West was still war-weary from Iraq and Afghanistan…and besides that the Ukraine project was clearly far along in the planning stage at this point…the neocon powers that be figured…correctly…that Syria could remain as is…hemorrhaging slowly…while they fried the bigger Ukraine fish…
That worked out brilliantly…The Russians taking back Crimea and then the uprising in Donbass…the MH17 propaganda gift that keeps on giving…and of course the massive anti-Russia PR campaign that we have seen since…the sanctions…etc…
Trump presented himself as a rational player who was not going to pursue any more neocon overseas conquests…he was even going to make friends with Russia…
These are all assumptions that people have accepted at pretty much face value…but really…why should we accept anything at face value…?
Trump is not an idiot…he probably didn’t know any better until he got to the White House…
Now he knows how the US operates and why it needs to keep operating this way…
Back in 2013 it wasn’t Syria’s time…Ukraine was on the front burner…now the time is ripe for Syria and the neocon world order is not going to be denied…why should we assume that Trump cannot find a lot of common ground with the neocon plan…?
That would be simply stupid…he simply did not have the information that he does now…and that info…whatever it may be…has clearly changed his world view…he said as much the other day…’I’m flexible…I’ve changed my mind on Syria…’…like he would not the very first to smell the false flag rat that is reeking to high heaven…
Drumpf’s unpredictability is actually a great strength in politics…politics is a blood sport folks…[it was Kissinger who said Drumpf could end up being a ‘great’ p[resident because of hi unpredictability…]
And now Erdogan…why should anyone make the foolish assumption that this very clever and exceedingly unpredictable player can be taken at face value…?
Last fall he was all kissy huggy with his Papa Putin…then bam…he invades Syria…a couple of months later the Russian envoy in Ankara is gunned down by a Turkish cop who raises the index finger salute of Al Qaeda while holding the gun and shouting allahu akbar…
Then we find out that a bunch of Turkish officers were hiding out with suicide belt wearing terrorists in Aleppo…the bearded fanatics and their families [!] were bused to safety in Idlib…thanks to Uncle Erdo…
For the past few months Erdo’s army has been conquering Syrian territory…his army now has a toehold inside the country…this is very significant folks…
And please don’t tell me about the Kurds…the Kurds are not even an issue…this is another assumption…how is it that Turkey is on great terms with the Barzani clan that runs Iraqi Kurdistan…?
Now let’s go back to 1983…this was long before Erdo…Turkey was run by Generals who had no interest in starting any major wars…back then the Kurds actually were a big problem right inside Turkey
Have a look at this…
All the info is right there in that little box on the right…40,000 plus Kurds killed…according to Turkish sources…
We can safely assume that a much higher true number exists…The US let Turkey carry out a genocide and nobody said boo…still don’t…all the while the West was screaming about Russians putting down Chechnya…which was a drop in the bucket by comparison…
So in 1983 we have a superpower Soviet Union that is supporting Syria…and even so…the neocons of the day are trying to get the Turks to do the dirty work…only the Turkish generals weren’t that stupid…
We are also assuming that the US is the prime mover behind the Syria regime change project…?…how do we know that…?…cui bono…?
Nobody benefits more than Turkey…cutting up Syria and annexing the Turkmen lands in the north…and being the kingmaker in much of the rest…
Come on folks…Erdogan’s calculus is that he can challenge Russia in Syria if he gets the US to back him up…it’s as simple as that…if he gets the green light he is going to move on Syria in a heartbeat
What does Drumpf have to lose in this…?…He’s a player too…he can promise Erdo full support for a Syria invasion and even help a little…
And if things go well and Russia backs down and lets Syria twist in the wind then it is only a win for the long game of destroying Russia…
If Russia fights and kicks Erdo’s ass out of Syria…then so what…?…US has no big stake there anyway…neither does Israel…they want the West Bank and Lebanon…that’s what Israel can reasonably handle…they are about seizing and keeping…they will of course keep the Golan…
So let’s be clear-headed about some of our assumptions…we really do not know what is really at play behind the scenes…but we have enough info to make good guesses…
Some recent events…Tillerson goes to Ankara…Syrian terrorists are once again getting money and weapons from the US…after having been briefly cut off earlier this year…
Erdo now says Astana is dead…the moderate rebels under his wing are launching renewed offensives…
The fact that Russia has allowed Turkish troops to remain in Syria has been a festering sore …Erdo has been pushing to see how far he can go…and the pushback from Putin never comes…
Now I ask you…we are also assuming that Putin is endlessly playing the patient and diplomatic game…
But what is to stop the Russian leader from bitch-slapping Erdo so hard that his ears are going to ring for the next 20 years…?
Let’s turn the question around…The West’s calculus is whether Putin is really going to stand up and fight for Assad if push comes to shove…
Well…how about this math…is the US and rotten EU going to stand up for Erdo if Putin decides to go ballistic on Turkish terrorist scum in Syria…?
Please put that in your pipe and smoke it…
your name is Russian, but you don’t have an accent.
Impressive comment for sure. I wonder who you really are ?
well, I hope you’re right about Erdogan getting bitch slapped by Putin, but I doubt it.
Agree with both your posts. …Erdogan is demanding respect from major European countries…,nato, usa etc…and will do anything to get that.deviously..hysterically…treacherously to prove his own position. …..interestingly enough we do not seem to have heard anything publicly yet-?- from Iran and Russia re anything from or about the russo/turko/Iranian “partnership or coalition” whatever that is now.
A reoccupation of rhe Turks in Syria under a nato flag under the pretext of fighting iran will have western support. Russia is then geograghical incapabel of defending syria, and at the same time a israeli invasion in Lebanon and a war in ukraine or baltic wil finish it off. Erdo will be respected for some time and yinonplan fulfilled. Known unknowns are the kurdisch reaction of this betrayal and russian defensive capabilities. A swift iraki win in mosul and a strong anti sunni coalition force will make this israeli/nato/saudie war go totally out of control.
It seems to me that the Russian statement was well-nigh perfect. Brief, complete, measured yet firm.
When conducting international relations in a situation that could very rapidly lead to thermonuclear exchange, it is essential to be cautious and to telegraph one’s intentions (the way Trump did not).
Incidentally, if it has been confirmed that the US government did warn the Russians, Secretary of State Tillerson lied in his teeth today.
“Secretary of State Rex Tillerson confirmed on Thursday night that President Vladimir Putin was not given advance notice of the United States’ decision to strike a Syrian target with missiles. “No contacts were made with Moscow, with President Putin,” Tillerson told reporters during a briefing with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida”.
Of course no one directly called Putin or Moscow, that doesn’t mean that Russia wasn’t notified, there are several limes of communication available.
An upbeat assessment from Thierry Meyssan in Syria, interviewed by La Pravda : for those who can understand French
Donald Trump affirme son autorité sur ses alliés par Thierry Meyssan 7 avril 2017 http://www.voltairenet.org/article195897.html.
Thierry Meyssan : Derrière l’attaque états-unienne de la Syrie Published on April 7, 2017 Entretien avec la Pravda, enregistré quatre heures après l’attaque états-unienne contre la base syrienne de Sha’irat, le 7 avril 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKb0vrzIjc.
Thierry Meyssan (founder of the Voltairenet.org website and editor of the Syrian newspaper Al-Watan) knows what is really going on in Syria. His analysis are not upside down and- they are based on reality and are very up-to-date. He believes that Trump is indeed trying to change the US, and that the latest Syria attack was a PR exercise to calm down the neoliberals – or to confuse them. He believes that we should not jump into conclusions.
I guess the two analysts who should be thanked are The Saker and Thierry Meyssan, this although they disagree on some points. The reality is that a thorough analysis would include a number of the comments made on this blog and other respectable sources. From my point of view, although some comments may be more or less grounded into reality or not doesn’t preclude for most to have a point.
Many thanks to the commentators and many many thanks to The Saker and Thierry Meyssan. I wish The Saker commented on Meyssan’s article, just for arguments sake.
Love to all,
I heard that iCHR declare the Syrian war to be an international armed conflict now, for comparison, it views Ukraine not to be an international armed conflict.
tomahawk 85% accuracy speed 550 mph range 1500 miles carries 1000 lbs explosive.
23 hit the base … did they even explode?
the base was within the circle of russian radar. even if trump hadn’t told the russians they must have had at least half an hour to get ready.
I’ve seen pictures of the launching of the missiles. I’ve seen the fires afterwards. But I haven’t seen any pictures of the missiles exploding. They would have had plenty of time to get a drone in position to take pictures.
One comment for several of your posts.
1. As for Putin’s reaction: I tend to think of him as a man who plays the long game. In the end, Russia holds all the cards, if, and only if, it can be protected from Imperial Hubris for a little while longer. I suspect he and his advisors are doing a thorough analysis of when they must take that one, irreversible action that will assert Russia’s dominance. By this I mean the time when they, and China, India, Iran and a few other nations (Japan? Brazil?) decide to disrupt the world’s flow of crude oil. I think they could do it now, and win, but I also think they are building as much resilience into their own systems before they do.
So the question becomes: Is it time to act now or will we enhance our future by waiting a little while longer? I think Putin’s reaction will be mostly behind the scenes, but the day will come when it won’t, and this day I fear. (I’m American and plan to stay one, too.)
2. Trump and his emasculation: He fears being deposed more than anything else, so he will do whatever his handlers tell him to do. President for life?
3. Freemasonry: At one time in European history, their were guild masons who knew how to build stone walls, then their were Freemasons who could build arches. The theory of arches was not able to be developed until Newton, and so the knowledge of how to build one was mostly trial, error, and memory. Hence the requirement that Freemasons have intellect and the ability to remember, as well as all the other rules for an orderly society.
Because they could build cathedrals, vaulted ceilings, etc, they had political power.
As engineering knowledge developed, the exclusivity declined. At some point (you’re right – 1700’s or so) Freemasons began to allow speculative Masons in an attempt to salvage their society. The result is what we have today, a powerful political organization that lacks purpose, but seeks to be above the fray and mostly moral.
It has structural deficiencies; BTW, Greer is a Freemason.
“At one time in European history, their were guild masons who knew how to build stone walls, then their were Freemasons who could build arches. The theory of arches was not able to be developed until Newton, and so the knowledge of how to build one was mostly trial, error, and memory.”
Wasn’t it the Etruscans who invented the arch, and then the Romans who perfected it? This was well before Newton.
Roman arches are circular, not parabolic as they would have been if the theory had been understood. The load carrying path within a circular arch is parabolic. Thus, there was no ‘theory’ of arches, only a history of successful designs. This history is what was committed to memory.
This also explains flying buttresses. They provided the load path to the ground.
I believe that the Maya had a primitive near-arch in about 600 AD. Am I mistaken?
Arches occur naturally. Bridging happens when soil is compacted but the lift (height of fill layer) is too large leaving only the top part compacted. The soil will subside under a arch formation of compacted soil, leaving a gap.
For a primitive society to develop an arch based building strategy, all they would have to do is observe nature.
But, the point here, and I agree with The Saker, is that Freemasonry as such is a fairly recent organization, but one that references ancient ideas.
It looks to me like this whole affair is being orchestrated from above by those hidden ones in charge. But that begs the question of who the puppet masters are for Trump, Putin, Xi and all the other minor marionettes.
I am no expert in anything but I enjoy observing the merry-go-round three ring circus of fake news and false flags. My source of information is my own logic, intuition, reading of information from sites like this and of course the Love Army, which serves as my Orthodoxy of Truth.
So here’s my big picture view from the peanut gallery. The really big boys with most of the money and power are outing the Jews and Neocons as second rate bench players. They are teasing them out of their dungeons and leading them into a cauldron of no escape.
The biggest players are saying to the Zionists: “Now’s your last chance. God is with you. Go for it all. It’s now or never. Play your trump now or forever lose the farm. To prove our deal [double dealing] we will let you have half of Jerusalem as your capital [which you have already and which will change when the deal goes down].
The Zionists have taken the bait and have exposed themselves for the chicken hawks (in comparison to saker falcons) they are to the whole world of persons with any brains left.
Putin knows this. Trump knows this. Xi knows this. This attack over gas is a set-up to reset the world compass. As usual we’re being played. The game is the same. Get back to business as usual and what better pawn to use than a builder of business like Trump and benign dictators like Putin and Xi?
From my ledge on the saker perch masthead overlooking Vulva Valley there is a much larger game going on wherein the powers of this world are pawns themselves. That game is the one between love and war which takes place within individuals and then is projected out onto the world stage.
Saker said something in his podcast that is crucial to the game. He pointed out the irreconcilable difference between the theologies of Christianity and Islam. Both believe in one God but only Christianity believes in a community of persons within that oneness.
Orthodoxy thus lays the foundation for a renewed world. Contrary to a one man Pope authority or to an each man for himself Protestant one, Orthodoxy authority rests with a community of bishops. This concept needs to traced back to its roots and then developed into a revised doctrine.
I am doing that here in the vineyard with my stories of a Love Government, Love Army and Love Bower. I am setting up a new meta-story based on the real undisclosed roots of Christianity of which Orthodoxy is the best example.
Saint John the Evangelist, also called the Beloved Disciple of Jesus, laid the main doctrine down with his “God is Love” meme. It is beyond the scope of this comment but that formula solves the impasse of the fix we are in with regard to religion, science, ethics, politics and life itself.
For heaven’s sake don’t believe me. Look at the evidence. I may be completely wrong. Maybe the world is coming to an end. Maybe the AZ crazies are right and will turn the world into a prison planet or a nuclear wasteland.
Last night I went to bed fearing the worst. I had bad dreams but I woke up hoping for the best. I can only do my best even when I’m feeling the worst. I have the rare privilege of expressing myself on a site that has the goal of stopping war.
My own goal is to be a lover and in these days of darkness I must try to practice what I preach in word and deed. I fail more than I succeed but each failure is another step to success when I’m on a path of love. I am also blessed by the Orthodox doctrine of community which this vineyard exemplifies.
Oops. I thought this was the cafe. I made a mistake so some of the insider cafe remarks may not make sense here. Chalk it up to an accident that was not accidental a la a Love Cafe.
With gratitude and love, Dennis.
I have been saying this when Obama gifted Crimea on a Sliver Platter to Putin. But you have said it better than me.
I am not sure if Netanyahu is smart enough and most probably he will forever lose the farm. The cycle repeats itself every 200 to 300 years. Lots of suffering happen during these cycles.
Saker missed a big point in his podcast. Prophet Mohammad was given the Ummah, meaning Community of Brotherhood, without borders, race, color, creed and so forth…..
A no fly zone is the right response and it should be established by the legitimate, sovereign government of Syria, acting within its right to self-defense and with the full support of its allies, particularly Russia.
And of course the UN should have a lot to say about US and US allied aggression and proxy wars, but the UN always seems to be very aware of who pays its bills…
Thierry Meyssan at voltairenet.org, has a completely different understanding of the missile attack. Over many years, he has almost always proven to be correct, so I suggest the francophones among you go to his site and read the new article titled « Donald Trump affirme son autorité sur ses alliés.» URL: http://www.voltairenet.org/article195897.html
An English translation should appear in a day or two. Meyssan was just interviewed by Pravda.ru over a poor Skype connection where he makes the same points as in the written article and also discusses Libya. The Youtube is at the bottom of the page linked above, and also at https://youtu.be/-AKb0vrzIjc
Let’s get to what Meyssan says,which is that this missile attack is not what it seems.
1. Russia and Syria were warned beforehand and the airbase was evacuated.
2. Apart from 6 deaths and wounded people, the missiles only destroyed six MIg-23’s that had been out of service for a long time.
3. Syria has sovereign control over the S-300 and S-200 air defense systems and the Russians have S-400’s in place. Neither the Russians nor the Syrians tried to shoot down the cruise missiles.
4. Only 23 missiles struck the air base, and he casts doubt that 59 cruise missiles were actually fired.
His conclusion is worth an exact translation, which I will give below:
“… the problem for President Trump was to convince his allies to implement his policies despite the investment they had made to overthrow the Syrian Arab Republic.
It is certainly possible that President Trump may have made a U-turn in the last three days – after simply seeing a Youtube video – but it is more probable that the military action of this morning is part of the logic of his previous diplomatic actions.
By attacking, President Trump has done what his opposition wanted, and thus they can not oppose the rest of his operations. Yesterday, Hillary Clinton called for bombing Syria in retaliation to the supposed usage of chemical weapons. …
Damascus, by sacrificing this airbase and the lives of some men, has given [Trump] the authority to pursue a vast operation against all those who use chemical weapons. But to this very day, the UN has only identified the only users of these weapons: the jihadists.
Daesh was also informed of this attack (but by its British, French and German commanders) and has launched at attack in Homs [province] which now lays unprotected by the airbase.
We will see in the next few days how Washington and its allies will react to the advance of the jihadists. Until then, we will not know if Donald Trump’s maneuver and the gamble of Vladimir Putin and Bashir al-Assad will be successful.”
I have two comments.
1. You will arrives at two completely different analyses, depending on whether you believe trump is under the same pressure as any previous presidents or if you believe he is trying to make a real change is therefore is under very grave pressure. The motives behind the cruise missile attack also has two interpretations: “low pressure” and “very high pressure”. There is the danger of circular logic in both beliefs, so it’s better to examine details which are at some distance from the media storm about Trump. In the Pravda interview, Meyssan noted that before Trump was a politician, he had tweeted 13 times that Syria should not be attacked. On the other hand, Obama posed as the anti-war candidate and only a few months into the White House, he gave “Hope” a bad name.
2. The real question for all of us is not our opinion or analysis of Trump. No, it’s the larger question of what people around the world need to do to take back control of their nations from a globalizing Empire. Too much attention on Washington is a distraction which weakens our own initiatives.
“Russia and Syria were warned beforehand and the airbase was evacuated.
2. Apart from 6 deaths and wounded people”
Sorry, but which is it ? Evacuated means “nobody there”. Where do the casualties come from?
The Russians were obviously not warned. Leaving people on the base when you know of and incoming attack would have been of an unprecedented incompetence.
The questions boil down to, 1) did those missiles get stopped, and if so why not all of them ? 23 of those “slow, lumbering” missiles still made it to their target. And no, you don’t “allow” some of them to strike home to “help Trump”. You demoralize your adversary by stopping them all if you can. Of course.
2) Putin may be smart, but maybe he is being a bit too smart. Right now, Turkey, the USA, Israel, the Kurds are doing what they bloody want in Syria, and the Russians are only making sure the planes won’t collide. Impressive.
How does Putin plan to regain the whole of Syria for Assad under those conditions? By politely asking everyone to be so kind as to please pack up and leave, thank you?
It seems to me, Putin is going to have to be a bit less smart and a lot more assertive. He is risking his reelection. If the Russians don’t feel safe because of his slow, lumbering, cautious chess moves, they will elect a hard-liner.
Unfortunately, we now live in a time when no one is responsible for anything; no one cares what the truth is if it doesn’t fit their prejudices or passions; greed is the engine driving the powerful; and nothing trumps greed. Moral outrage is a silly pastime. Expecting rational behavior or change is a silly naivete. Civilization is in the end game, and either wars or the climate will take most of us to our graves.
And it won’t be the climate for sure, unless you had nuclear winter in mind.
” just for the record, this attack was a direct and clear violation of
US national law (Trump never got Congress to authorize this attack)
International law (Trump is now a criminal guilty of the crime of ‘aggression’)
The UN Charter”
A president doesn’t need Congress to authorize such attacks, a “crime of aggression” only exists for military action undertaken in violation of the U.N. Charter, and of course Syria was warned, repeatedly, that retaliation to an WMD attack did not constitute such.
Just as a side note, the U. S. A. was not violating the Charter of the United Nations only for mere tens of hours—between the declaration of abandoning the policy of removing the President of the Syrian Arab Republic Bashar Hafez al-Assad and the resumption of threats against the Syrian government.
The U.S.A. had been violating Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations all along.
And, as always, brilliant article.
The US empire and the world along with it, is like a man in the process of passing kidney stones, who is also camping at the edge of a cliff.
Not that this isn’t a dangerous escalation, but this strikes me as posturing by Trump. And not that I have any faith in The Donald, he’s as duplicitous as Erdogan. But the damage just doesn’t add up, the drone footage shows a very lightly damaged, rather empty base. Of course one can say the Americans are incompetent, and of course you’d be correct. But when ‘incompetence’ rises to this level, my BS detector starts beeping.
Thierry Meyssan’s take seems likely: there must have been a warning. From radar alone there would have been a half hour to prepare (I’m quoting others on this, if I’m wrong please advise), emptying out an airbase in that amount of time would be quite an accomplishment.
But that wouldn’t explain how of the 23 missiles that got through, exactly 0 hit the tastiest target, the runway. Empty hangers, check. Scrap heap jets, check. The freaking RUNWAY, nope.
What would the anticipated Russian reaction have been? Boost air defenses and materiel. So the US half heartedly hits an empty airbase knowing Moscow would likely beef up air defenses in response making any subsequent strike much harder? This just doesn’t add up in my mind.
The fact that the runways were not damaged doesn’t mean anything. The biggest crater a cruise missile can make, is easily repairable in a few hours with a bulldozer, one or two trucks, some men with shovels, and a hydraulic tamper or a steamroller. If you have a few days, you don’t even need the equipment, just men with hand tools. So craters are not worth the cost of a cruise missile, even if the US taxpayer foots the cost without complaint.
If these cruise missiles had targeted the runways, that would have revealed an intent to do as little damage as possible.
The only way it makes sense to put craters in runways is if you only need the runways to be knocked out for a few crucial hours, or if you have lots of cheap bombs and plenty of medium or heavy bombers.
And, the whole airbase looks like after…well, small artillery or mortar shelling.
No visible impact from a devastating cruise missile warhead in any of the photo’s I have seen so far.
So. WTF is really going on??
Besides, Air base is fully operational since noon for choppers and since late afternoon for bomber jets.
Can someone please educate me? Aren’t Tomahawks “unjammable”? Don’t they have TERCOM and DSMAC as well as GPS navigation systems?
The reason I ask is that I am currently on another forum, where many say that the Russians could not have jammed the Tomahawks due their multi navigational systems. So is this true? Anyone with a military technology background??
Tercom is only “accurate” enough for a nuclear payload, Dsmac requires a LOT of work to plan the mission and doesn’t do so well in the desert. Newer tomahawks generally rely on GPS. If you want more details than that, you’ll have to make friends with a Russian Hacker :)
I was also wondering … GPS can be jammed, and TERCOM/DSMAC, which is altimeter radar, can also be jammed. Whether it was done, how likely, how difficult – no idea.
But this is confusing. How do we know the 59 missile narrative is true in the first place? How do we know for sure any missiles were fired at all?
Fog of war becoming too dense. Better get back to personal business.
@ Lumi Of course they are jammable. Electronic guidance systems are always jammable and GPS signals are VERY EASY to jam. Currently, Russian electronic warfare capabilities are absolutely number one in the world and the US and the Israelis know it
My understanding of the Tomahawks is that they have three interconnected guidance system. Radar visual and GPS. Visual is preferred, but traveling across terrain with few visual clues, like desert or oceans GPS is required. It is in these areas that jamming is effective. I would guess that the return of the Russian ship to an area between the American ships and Syria is for that reason.
Novorus media at http://novorossia.today/putin-95-of-world-terrorist-attacks-are-orchestrated-by-the-cia/ claims Comrade President said some things..
Is this claim true? Did Putin say what they claim?
Appreciate thoughts about that, as the words sound rather sober, if one can smile at the abyss…
I am minded of the affair in ww1 involving Serbia, as, they say, the Czar was forced by that business to enter the war…
From my limited knowledge of weaponry (and Saker might correct me on this) – chemical weapons for air delivery are NOT made as aerial bombs.
Aircraft have a limited number of hardpoints for bomb carriage, so the bombs are made to be as big as possible to completely utilize the carrying capacity. So 125kg, 500kg and so on. There are no aerial bombs weighing 2, 5 or 10kg. With conventional explosives, “more is better” applies – the bigger the bomb, the bigger the destructive effect. But with a chemical weapon, say nerve agent as they claim, lethal dose is measured in milligrams and a destructive effect (number of people you can poison) is limited by how well and how far this agent can be dispersed. Having a chemical aerial bomb weighing 250kg is pointless, as you can’t disperse that much agent over large enough surface to make it count. So you’d be basically killing the same number of people with enough poison to kill them 100,000 times over. What for?
I apologize if it seems cold and heartless to discuss the matter in this manner. I’m just reasoning rationally why the claim of aerial chemical bombardment seems like a snow job.
On another point… it just occured to me that Tomahawk cruise missile costs about $1.5 million, give or take. 59 missiles equals $88.5 millions. Gone up in smoke, literally. Boom. Gone. That’s without counting any costs of ships who brought them half way across the planet and all the rest. How many Syrians or Yemenis could they have fed and housed for that kind of dough? And the result would be much much better for all concerned, including the US itself. But no, that’s not profitable. Let’s just continue killing people, cause that’s all we know how to do.
It’s sickening to see so many “people” applauding this kind of thing.
Many thanks for your post! I was wondering how expensive the missiles were, and how much this sordid affair cost the American taxpayer. Supposedly Trump is a rich man (lots of debt = rich?) therefore if he would “contribute” that $88.5 M out of his own pocket he could impress a few folks with his ability to squander wealth, perhaps his guest, the president of China. This was done to encourage Mr. China to purchase more US bonds, perhaps, to finance more of our wars (Oops, that may include war against China, pal). Speaking of finance, I need to see what kind of effect this missile madness had on the financial markets. I shouldn’t be too surprised if (as just one example) the price of petroleum “trended upwards” , or if defense contractor stocks took a jump up into our “chemtrail” polluted skies—- Observe and study this chemtrail phenomenon–it is a giant program of poison chemical attack against all of us.— Fortunately, there are a great number of people who are NOT applauding this foolish missile attack against Syria–my guess is that it is nowhere near a majority, but Even 20% is too much. I fear the majority is either apathetic, or ignorant, and I still have hope that people will awaken from their slumber. Hopefully this will happen sooner instead of later.
and 53-29 = 36 = 4×9
may it be that there were 9 air-defense stations with 4 missiles ready each?
additionally, reportedly the airbase bombed was the one used to deter ISrael air raids and even to take down (non-confirmed) Israeli jets in March
Anyway, now Russia has pretexts to
1) take the base, and/or
2) lend Syria newer jets, like Su-27, and/or
3) lend Syria newer air defense, and/or
4) promote export of Russian jets and air defense to all sovereign states
As proven, repeated and multiplied in almost countless instances, international law has no meaning for the anglo-zionist state. The unspoken reply by Uncle Sam to those who reminds him of the laws he breaks is: “International Law? Stick it up your ass.”
Therefore, Putin’s bland reproach that US has broken international law is pitiful, not to say ridiculous.
They say that knowledge is power, but sometimes knowledge is also a curse. For it tends to amplify the rage arising from the dominant hypocrisy, vis-a-vis the tragedies daily inflicted on others by the us-talmudic-neocon-neo-liberal (or whatever else we may want to call it), criminal cartel.
Considering also the chasm between the alleged concern about fake-news poisoned gas attacks in Syria and the genocides in Yemen, plus all other historical crimes against humanity – which almost sink Hiler into a distant second place.
And further considering that as Uncle Sam was socking it to the Syrians and killing them, Russia decided to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Talmudic state, which is to add an extra self-inflicted insult to injury.
Bullies are strong with the weak and weak with the strong. Is it possible that no one knows this in Russia, among those who can do something?
Russians are Christian and so is Putin. I might be naive to think that at times like this Russia continues to be Christian, but its also Russian Easter – no coincidence- I’m sure there.
but to continue on a Spiritual note – bad timing for evil to try strength at Easter.
But its a long term thing.
Didnt this guy get elected by vowing to put America First?
How does bombing an airfield in Syria “Make America Great Again”?
I gurantee you that it will make Israel happy, but it will never make the US Great Again.
And whilst there are those who work tirelessly
to conflate the teo, they are not the same.
Check this out from the Duran:
“The Al-Sha’ayrat airbase was the place from which Syria fired anti-missile Sam rockets at attacking Israeli warplanes, two weeks ago. Syria downed one of the four warplanes, hit another and forced the remaining two fighter jets to quickly fly out of Syrian airspace.”
You can read the whole thing here:
By ordering this attack on Syria Trump is essentially running errands for the likes of Sheldon Adelson, who overtly places Israeli interests above America’s.
So what we had here was basically a giant PsyOp for lord knows what reason. I checked the price of a cruise missile which they claim comes in at about $850,000. That would make the cost of this attack in the neighborhood of $50,501,000. No runway’s destroyed, only a few aircraft destroyed(probably the ones unable to fly)because we warned Russia which in turn warned Syria.
No wonder you can never win a war “Merica”, your military and commander in chief are about as sharp as a bowling ball. The only losers next to you are the poor dumb tax slaves that must pay for it all.
”Russia will assuredly react to any intensified American aggression against Syria, whether executed unilaterally or together with its Turkish and possible Saudi-led “coalition” allies, but it won’t militarily respond to these moves in any way that would risk setting off a larger Great Power conflict.”
Let me get this right. ”Russia will assuredly react to any intensified Anglo-Zionist aggression against Syria … but it won’t militarily respond to these moves in any way that would risk setting off a larger Great power conflict.” This seems like giving the green light to the US to intervene militarily to whatever level it likes, with the assurance that Russia will back down if their is a possibility of conflict between the Great powers. Russia will be seen as a paper-tiger. This would be yet another retreat, the last, as war will be eventually forced upon it on terms favourable to NATO behemoth.
Vlad : “Hey Donny, what have your CIA dumbos and their goat fucking subcontractors cooked in that shithole is Syria?
Donny: “Uegh, yeah well Vlad, I don ‘t know, they always are cooking their shit behind my back. But Vlad, why did your guys just have to throw some bombs there, I mean there is place enough to do that. And nobody would ever have worried a shit about it?”
Vlad: ” My dear Donny, I see, there is a lot you still have to learn, so far you are not my best pupil. And BTW Donny, next time take care that these “White Helmet” actors are not there, would also help.
Donny: “I know Vlad, but now I have a big problem. My warmongers at home are screaming for revenge and they want bombs”
Vlad: “I understand Donny, I happen to have the same problem. But look, here is an idea :”
Donny: “Tell me Vlad, I know you will save my ass out, just as you helped to get me elected”.
Vlad : “Well Donny, look, there is this crappy airbase in Shayrat, you know. There are some old scrap planes there, old Mig 23, have survived even the war of 1982, basically worthless and also there is a cantina… .”
Donny: “Ooogh Vlad, I feel it, yes that ‘s it. And I have some long expired cruise missiles, Tomahawk, you remember? I am sure if I launch 60 only 20 will arrive at destination and you even don ‘t need to shoot them down”
Vlad: “That is very kind of you Donny. But may I remind you that of course afterwards, I will terminate the memorandum on air safety.”
Donny: ” Well Vlad, even that is fantastic. Now the Dutch and the Belgians will get scared and go home with their third hand F16-s and my generals will be scared that it could by shitty for that new F35, you know, that new piece of crap that can ‘t fly”
Vlad: ” Well Donny it ‘s a deal, let ‘s have some bottles of Vodka on that!”
Donny: “Oggh yes Vlad, thanks again for saving my ass out!
“Third hand F-16’s” ???
The Low Lands F-16’s were made in the Netherlands at the Fokker Schiphol-East works.
According to inspecting General Dynamics inspectors these were the best built F-16 in the world. Go figure!
Dutch expression appropriate to Americans: “Eigendunk stinkt!” (Self-conceit stinks!). Enjoy the odor.
I agree fully with Saker’s initial synopsis so I will repost this from the other thread.
My opinion is there was either overt or back door formal notice. The fact is VKS and SAAF had enough notice to evacuate most anything of real value before the attack and that takes more than 5 minutes. As for the attack itself, the missing 36 missiles is exactly the basic missile load of 3 Pantsir-S1 complexes (3 x 12 = 36). I have no doubts that VKS was tracking each and every one of those missiles from the instant they left the launch tubes. Were 3 Pantsir systems in operation in the aerodrome area? I have no idea, I wasn’t there.
VKS and SAAF have been returning everything to the base since mid morning and the runways were basically unharmed. I’ve seen the Russian vid of the airborne inspection of same while the hit spots were still glowing in the night vision. In essence 59 missiles with a value in excess of 90 million dollars were expended to destroy half a dozen worn out and ancient airframes that were in the repair holes as a source of spare parts for their comrades who were still flying.
I still say this was a pinprick operation that looks more and more like something staged for domestic consumption than an attack on a fully manned and operational aerodrome hosting both SAAF and VKS in active combat against the bad guys. The operations, by the by, resumed by noon local time this day.
Again, my opinion is everything will return to normal, there will be no overt invasion of Syria by US/nato although the fact is both US and nato are in Syria and have been for years, boots on the ground.
Never The Last One http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCY8KK
An Incident On Simonka, NATO Is Invited To Leave https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ERKH3IU
I disagree. Trump performed experimentally bombing. insufficient for the war with the russians but enough to see how things are going and how they will do next. this is just the beginning of a broader military operation. Americans are actually in this story criminals and they are aware of that and they sacrificed part of their “reputation” for the greater goal.
If America will be great, it is clear that everyone else must be small. American pragmatism.
A word of advice.
There are a coupla commentators that appear here and on some other “worth your time” blogs.
One of these is Auslander.
Others are Lachmonter445 and PavewayiV.
I have no idea who these guys are, (although Auslander has given more personal info at times).
All I know is that when they write, it makes sense – and on occasion, much later the “official” narrative moves closer to their initial observations.
@Sanjin, I agree with you. Trump tastes the blood, feel the power, bear no consequences, and not only he did not see anything wrong, but earned sound approval of masters…
I have seen no one, who make a easy strike and feel no remorse of killing some poor soul, would stop on his tract cold. If anyone think Trump will stop here, then he/she is beyond naive.
This is not Chinese marching into Korea after US ignored repeat warning, finally dropping bombs at Chinese border. This is a test run, a appetizer, a wet of toe, and see how far he can get away with it. He will push it further next time.
This is beginning, not the end.
I am sure Putin is working over time on it if he had not foreseen it coming already.
Where is The Saker’s initial synopsis? The reason I’m asking is that you appear to disagree with his reasoning in the article above that, “Now here is the really intriguing thing: it appears that only 23 out of a total of 59 US cruise missiles hit the base. The rest are unaccounted for. This could be due to all sorts of reasons, including Syrian and Russian air defenses or Russian electronic warfare. I tend to believe that the latter is the cause. “
I think it is worse than you suggest re US missile failure. Apparently one missile failed to launch altogether and most of the rest failed to explode on impact.
Russia/Syria did not use any anti missile defences at all.
Quite simply more than half of the US missiles were duds, useless, utterly ineffective.
Traps and mice comes to mind. Did the Russians/Syrians/Hezbollah/Iranians know what was being prepared?
Did they realise it was another false flag along the lines of the attack on the humanitarian convoy a few months ago?
They must have known Trump was just Clinton in a suit! Known that the deep state would ultimately attack Syria again. Known that the US is still unable to understand that Russians do not think or behave like the US/UK/EU/Israeli tyrants.
Clearly Trump and co along with the deep state wanted Russia/Syria to sink the two US warships, (which is what the infantile US tyrants would have done), and started WWIII.
This was not a token attack. It was a warm crime where the criminals used defective weaponry, (+50% weapon failure), in the hope of starting a wider conflict!
Russia is just not playing their game!
Living in the US is clearly not doing Saker any good since he has stopped thinking like a Russian and now seems to have adopted American thinking, poor boy!
Like all mice caught in a mouse trap the US is now going to have to do a lot of squirming to get out of it or accept the death of their latest fantasy war!
There seem to be two possibilities, a ruse to placate CIANN and the Deep State (unlikely) OR The US sucks at any non-proxy war except against men in sandals.
For the record:
Israel’s Chemical and Biological Weapons (CBW):
Israel signed the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), but didn’t ratify it. It never signed the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC). Its policy is CBW ambiguity.
In 1993, the US Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment included Israel as a nation having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities. In 1998, former Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary Bill Richardson said: “I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time. There’s no doubt they’ve had stuff for years.”
During its 2008/09 “Operation Cast Lead” assault on the Gaza Strip, Israel illegally used white phosphorous, which burns flesh to the bone, in attacks against civilians along with flechettes (4-cm metal darts fired from missiles, planes or tanks “that penetrate straight through human bone and can cause serious, often fatal, injuries.”) It has also used cluster bombs during its attacks against and invasions of Lebanon.
Regarding Israel’s “Operation Cast Lead,” the United Nations Goldstone Report charged Israel with using phosphorous incendiary shells on a UN compound sheltering more than 600 civilians, using phosphorous and high explosive artillery shells on Al-Quds hospital and it rejected Israel’s assertion that Hamas or other militants were using the hospital. Israel was also accused of attacking a crowded mosque during evening prayers (the panel rejected the contention that armed militants were inside), using flechettes and of using Palestinians as human shields during house searches, a “war crime under the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court.” No evidence was found that Hamas had used Palestinians as human shields.
In a report issued on 2 July 2009, Amnesty International states that “more than 3,000 homes were destroyed and some 20,000 damaged in Israeli attacks which reduced entire neighborhoods of Gaza to rubble and left an already dire economic situation in ruins. Much of the destruction was wanton and could not be justified on grounds of ‘military necessity.’” Amnesty also noted that “During Operation ‘Cast Lead’ Israeli forces made extensive use of white phosphorus, often launched from 155mm artillery shells, in residential areas, causing death and injuries to civilians. Homes, schools, medical facilities and UN buildings – all civilian objects – took direct hits.”
Neither HRW nor Amnesty accused Hamas of using “human shields.” Amnesty, however, accused Israel.
To quote Israeli journalist, Gideon Levy, “[Israel] has already used weapons prohibited by international law – white phosphorous and flechette rounds against a civilian population in Gaza, and cluster munitions in Lebanon – and the world did not raise a finger.” ( ‘Moral superpower’? Give me a break,’ Gideon Levy, Ha’aretz, Sept. 1, 2013)
Given the circular accuracy of a Tomahawk is less than 10 meters and more likely well under 3 meters it is surprising that there are reports that the runway is undamaged. A runway makes a very well-defined image for terminal guidance and even if you had a missile with a large degree of inaccuracy you could fly the cruise missile along the length of the runway and its touchdown inaccuracy would then be irrelevant.
To prevent an attack by fighter bombers carrying chemical weapons that didn’t occur you need to destroy the means by which they take off and land -the runway.
So the whole thing was theatrics with a few necessary human pawn victims thrown in to appear suitably convincing.
My take on all this is that likely the SU-22 attack and the Sarin victims were two different events, the latter being staged by ISIL with actors, to which were added those previously killed by them (thus the flat-bed trucks and non-residential location in pictures.)
An accomodating and scripted media with a gullible public complete the show. Applause please.
A false flag conspiracy and media circus was probably thwarted by the spotting of Sukhoi or Sukhoi-like fighter jets at Incirlik several months ago. But Daily Mail cleansed the story… just in case.
It’s all about Israel. How long do we have to appease. They want their Greater Israel and they want the US to risk our men’s lives and wealth along with possible WW3 with Russian in order to achieve it. Even patriotic Michael Savage blames Israel.
The fact that Israel had jammed the friend/foe codes of the Syrian Russian made SS-300s which allow the Zio-Nazis to attack SYrian with impunity—once the Iranians warned Assad of this and had technicians brought in to correct the worm in the system and Israeli jet was immediately shot down. Maybe that had something to do with Trump’s decision. Trump should get rid of Zio-spy Jared Khushner.
The warhead and other parts of one cruise missile was found in the garden of a house in Karto, Tartus. If the 1000 pound warhead had gone off in those circumstances, there would be many dead and wounded.
The Russian military also claim the missile strike was planned before the gas attack, not afterwards (based on logistics). The false flag was then run as cover for the pre-planned strike.
There are also suggestions that Bannon disagreed with the wisdom of this, hence his departure. That would tie in with the missile-before-gas hypothesis.
The US destroyed the Syrian air defense system that target Israeli warplanes. So IMHO and others, a few weeks ago Israel fly plane in to Syrian air space was for the purpose of finding out where the defense system was located. Yes, the attack was panned before the gas attack.
The military complex that was attacked by US tomahawk missiles was the military complex that shot down an Israeli fighter. This is nothing more than Trump doing Netanyahu’s dirty work. An appauling breach of international law and one obviously pre planned with the well timed sarin gas attack and has the added bonus of providing support to the US proxies in Syria. Al Nusra and Daesh.
Now watch the deep state expose the sarin gas attack as a false flag, expose Trump as the criminal he is, and impeach him. Trump sold out his supporters, they will simply step aside and watch him get thrown under the bus, probably cheer.
@ Dennis Leary – you have it so right, brother. Love is the way forward and it cannot be defeated. We all stumble, me included, but, in the end, we both know there is no better way. Take it from a guy who spent half his life hating and hurting others.
Bless you mate, don’t stop the good fight.
As for the missile attack – pure theatre, everyone walks away reasonably satisfied, objectives widely met.
Don’t know about your thesis on puppet masters shifting the world meta game using world leader pawns. Might be a possibility but truly beyond my scope of vision. We’ll see, I suppose.
Still, you take care and keep helping :-) love and positivity will win the day.
Some of the “missing” missiles have been found. They landed on nearby villages,killing and wounding sleeping civilians. The death toll “so far” has risen to 12,9 civilians,including women and at least one child. I agree with you I’m not “overly” impressed with Russia’s public response. The Bolivian (of all places) Ambassador hit the US harder at the UNSC today.
I can’t help it, but to me the whole story stinks.
Trump never behaved like a Falcon exactly.
He can’t be that stupid?
Since prior to the US elections Trump gets torpedoed by the neocons and their prestitutes on daily basis.
Even a mentally handicapped wouldn’t have expected Assad to conduct an chemical assault on anybody – staged incident.
The story becomes a story by western politicians and prestitutes, westerners go into hysteric mode (press and media mainly, people already don’t buy it at this stage),
If not before then now Trump and Putin get in contact and make a plan.
Trump orders illegal air strikes with 59 tomahawk of which only 23 hit targets and don’ t do much damage. The rest gets downed by electronic countermeasures.
Putin suspends the flight safety agreement.
If the Russian air defense systems are as good as they claim, there is a “Flying allowed only with Russian Permission Zone” now.
Neither Putin or Assad appear to be exactly outraged (not that I would espect them to be).
Trump declares victory, gets cheers and applause from his internal political enemy and from our boot lickers in Europe and all the MSM.
Merkel licking Trump’s boots would be intersting to see, indeed.
Interesting is also to see the German presstitutes switching from Trump bashing to Trump hailing – I am impressed how swiftly that works.
Trump declares no more immidiate action planned. Off course not – S500 is in hot mode now.
Trump is happy – he must not go fighting a serious war in Syria anymore.
His warmongers back home received a demonstration of russian electrocic countermeasures and lost appetite for military action (too much of my fantasy?).
Assad is happy, there are no more pesky US, Israeli or whatever jets attacking his troops.
Putin is happy, he remains boss over Syrian Skys and prevented further escalation.
Turkey, KSA and allies are not so happily standing in front of the scrap heap of their foreign policy.
ISIS is hopefully dead soon.
I guess time will tell us very soon if I am hopefully right or fearfully wrong.
Makes you wonder, is it for show? Are the neocons/Israelis/KSA/Turks/jihadists being taken for a ride??
If so Trump is playing for time… pedogate?
From despair to a glimmer of hope.
Peter Ford, former British ambassador to Syria. Must watch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pS6Oa_aDS6E
Surprised he was invited onto Sky News.
Maybe they didn’t know he wasn’t ‘ on message’, assuming the entirety of FO – ex or not – are Zio- quislings?
Because the British were heavily involved in the destabilising of Syria in the first place, along with the French.
What else could Russia do ? Back off was the only option. In 1989-95 “silly” Russian demolished their own Navy and now there is no ships to confront mighty US Fleet. It is heartbreaking but true. There are only 2 options: Russia will kneel or nuclear exchange, no third one. US knows that.
Needs no navy to remove the US navy; Search for info on Granit, Moskit, Brahmos, Sunburn, etc. Enjoy!
”Russia will kneel or nuclear exchange, no third one. US knows that.”
And presumably, the US knows that if Russia does not kneel there will be a nuclear exchange that will destroy the northern hemisphere. I take it that even case-hardened neo-cons are aware that they will not survive such an outcome. The whole thing is a bluff. I think it was Winston Churchill who once said: “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
Strike Israel and Saudi with 59 bombs each. Give 10 nukes w delivery to means to Iran. Declare a no fly zone in Syrian airspace except with Syrian permission.
Here we go again. Is this really going on.Both sides knew the missiles were comming yet they love to play politics or another power and control game. Go US bomb Syria again and again.
Putin will not react hastily, of course. He will go to the UN Security Council to get a Resolution against this sort of thing. But the US and the NATO puppets will veto it.
Meanwhile I’ve read that Russia will send more anti-aircraft systems to Syria and is also sending one of their newest cruise missile-capable battleships to Tartus.
But if Trump escalates the situation by further attacks, Putin will be forced to act.
As Colonel Lang mentions over at his site, now any time Al Qaeda wants Trump to bomb Syria, all they need to do is fake another chemical attack. It almost worked on Obama, it has now worked on Trump – and Trump won’t be able to back down next time.
And in fact, neither Obama or Trump wanted to back down the first time. Obama was forced to when Putin got Assad to get rid of his chemical weapons. Trump obviously didn’t even wait as long as Obama did before attacking. He probably was only waiting for an excuse to unilaterally attack Syria.
Expect more escalation to come at some point, if not immediately. The plan is still to degrade Syria’s military and this can only be done by either 1) an Al Qaeda/ISIS victory (unlikely now) or 2) a US/NATO air campaign against Syria.
The Admiral Grigorovich is a frigate, far from a ‘battleship’. He is stationed in Sevastopol but has rotated in and out of the Med since he went in service last year. Russian maintains a fleet in the Med and at this time most of that fleet is in the east Med. The Grigorovich returned from the Med in late March, replenished at Novorossisk and began his journey back to the Med several days ago. He entered the Med sometime yesterday afternoon local time. His return to join the Med fleet has nothing to do with any events anywhere. In addition to frigates and destroyers, often there is a Slava Class heavy cruiser present and earlier this year we had two capitol ships in the east med.
S-300 downed the missing missile over the sea? rather than EW.
US used 59 missiles to overcome defenses. How many launchers at Tartus and how quickly can they be reloaded? Once the tomahawks are over land they can hide amongst the hills
It’s highly unlikely that any of the missiles were shot down. What happened is that they struck the same target more than once. Russia was informed of the strike before it took place, leaving them time to make sure they were out of harms way, thus making it less likely that Russia needs to do more saber rattling than necessary.
Yes this was a stupid move on Trump’s part. But it could be a prelude to peace. How so? Simply put, this strike was a nothing compared to what could have happened and most likely would have happened had Hillary been in charge. It takes away the critics ability to continue to claim that Trump and Putin are in bed together. That could be helpful for both parties and it could open up dialog if it’s handled correctly. There is certainly no reason to hope for a stronger response from Russia or to hope that Tillerson and Lavron don’t get together and try to work on peace.
Where’s your proof that it’s highly unlikely that the slow sub sonic “cruise” missiles were shot down? These are outdated missiles that fly at a level altitude for large stretches and don’t have the brains (or sensors), agility or propulsion to take evasive action.
If multiple missiles hit the same target, the damage to the Syrian airbase would be much more severe, besides, the Russian military is much more competent than that to not take into account multiple missile hits to the same target. They aren’t about to make such an amateurish mistake, thats the kind of incompetence you expect from NATO, the British Airforce or General Kirby.
If the Russian MoD says only 23 of these tomaturd missiles got through, then you’ll have excuse is if we believe the Russians and not the puffed up propaganda of the infallibility of over featured and fragile American military gear.
Exactly. The Russian MoD specifically said that only 23 made it. We can safely conclude that the rest were either shot down or complete duds. Some commenters are crying out, “Where is Putin?!” He is too busy shooting down Trump’s missiles to reply.
There is only a ‘small’ problem with this. It is not what Tillerson wants. It is what Netanyahu wants. And peace in Syria is the last thing he wants. Peace is not going to help him and his zionist buddies to take more of Syrian territory. Big war is coming whether we like it or not.
“based on Russian sources, including video footage and the reports of one Russian journalist on the ground, Evgenii Poddubnyi, it has become clear that the US strike was largely symbolic. Here is the evidence”
I’m curious about what these sources are as your points 1 through 4 are not jiving with Russian government announcements nor with what I’ve read at Sputnik and RT.
There have been a lot of different moves by israel’s colonials, especially their pet pindos, in the last few months to indicate zionazi, inc. will keep the war against Syria going no matter the cost to the quisling regimes they maintain in the west. Trump said a few conciliatory things in the past, but it is clear he was simply providing cover while the zionazis prepared their next assault.
“But then, this begs another question: why did the Russians let 23 of the cruise missiles through?”
Since you said you thought the Russians jammed the tomahawks, do you really think the Russians can deliberately select which missiles to jam and which to leave alone? That ability to individual selection of missiles to jam seems to be pretty far fetched to me.
We still don’t know why only 23 of the 59 missiles hit the air base, best wait for better info there. The seemingly “light and selective” damage reporting at the base, being used to claim pindo-Russian collusion, may be the result of most of the missiles not reaching the base, for whatever reason.
Also, if there was collusion between tuppence quislings and the Russians, why waste nearly 40 missiles. If there really was any agreement between Russia and israel’s tuppence quislings, they would have simply sent x number of missiles and the Russians would have then stood down their defences.
Since that obviously didn’t happen, this, along with both Russian moves, and u.s., and israel’s other colonials, moves today, show this is not just another zionazi PR stunt, but the start of the implementation of the much hyped tuppence regime “plan for Syria” announced at the start of the year. Something that was obviously in the works even before that.
Disagree about canceling the “exxon valdiz” meet with Lavrov. It would only help the zionazi psywar PR. Also with your assessment of the Russian response. Why should the Russians give the zionazis what they want? Better to keep the diplomatic response measured and do what needs to be done without announcing it beforehand.
“In other words, Trump is now a war criminal and the USA a rogue state (again).”
Sure. But all previous U.S. presidents (with the possible exception of FDR) are war criminals. U.S. has been a rogue state, a warring military empire, for its entire existence.
But so what? The empire got bigger and bigger. Wars just keep happening. And nobody can do anything about it. Not even Americans!
So, by having committed an obvious act of aggression, Trump has made himself legitimately liable to impeachment, a position in which his opponents have wanted him to be from day one, but up until now had no sound charge to bring against him. Now they can use that leverage to pry other concessions to their agenda out of him.
But most of them can’t condemn Trump for this without also condemning themselves, who have been pushing for intervention and controlling the world, even the liberals and so-called peace groups / pseudo-left who want to do ‘humanitarian intervention’ and bring ‘democracy’.
LOL. Most of aipac’s congressional trough feeders back this latest zionazi war crime. I have little doubt israel wouldn’t be able to get a full scale war against Syria through these treasonous quislings.
There is no need to impeach Trump now – he is doing exactly what he’s told.
Was there a gas attack? Where 59 tomahawks really launched or only something over 20?? No and No. What we witnessed was a elaborate piece of deep state theater. All staged for the benefit of Xi over dinner and drinks. The goal was to influence China to lean on N. Korea by exhibiting that Trump is a reckless loose cannon kind of guy. If you want someone to think you are crazy show him your nuts.
Trump gains additional benefit in other seemingly unconnected ways, the battle for Mosul is going very badly and hundreds of civilians are be killed. This also takes the heat off the charges that he is in bed with Putin. Trumps poll numbers have been down in the toilet, they are soaring now. Americans (I’m one) are spoiled non thinking warmongers.
I believe it was a very calculated Machiavellian move agreed upon by the major players involved. This to will pass and in the meantime N.Korea has to think twice about the mad man in the White House. That’s all.
Maybe not soaring…
it doesn’t look so good for him so far. See what happens next week.
I agree with Peter. Since 58% of Americans (which are moderately well informed, on matters pertaining to the supply of their gas tanks) consider Syria a vital national interest, Trump is both being poll conscious and strategically aware.
He’ll play the hawk card and try to get a deal with Putin that prevents the 2nd eviction, in 60 years, of the West from the fertile crescent. Nixon’s late bombings of Vietnam comes to my mind, here.
However, the chaotic mess created by the Bushes, Clintons and Obama is (still) not easy to clean-up. In the end of the day, Trump will need Putin’s agreement, right there. That’s what the Russian ambassador at the UN was hinting.
Exactly the same as my own thoughts. 60% failures rate even given my poor opinion of US weapons systems is way too high. Russia electronic countermeasures seems likely and the way they spoke of not knowing where the others fell sounded like it referred less to anti-missile strikes and more like Uncle Ivan whispered in their ears and made them a better offer on the way to visit Grandma. I also figured they let those few get through as they did to assuage Trump’s ego a little and also to ensure the USA did get a good dose of the fallout from such a reckless action. It will be portrayed as such now it turned out to have been a fizzer too. he was a lkittle hasty and hadn’t allowed the media and other supporters to get so well behind the idea they couldn’t back out. Now they can easily back away from it and leave him out to dry and they will I am sure when the wind blows the way it is now bound to.
There must be some Pentagoon generals crapping their pants about now I’d say and Raytheon’s stock is probably not going to respond well on Monday either.
here’s another thing Trump did today
What if Trumpo simply did not orderr the attack and it was provided behind his back by some “deep-state loyal” general. Of course, he can not say openly that the army ignores his orders and is acting on his own. He must say he ordered the attack otherwise his authority would be in ruins internationally as well as for his voters.
Then we can understand why Lavrov did not cancel his meeting with Tillerson – of course, the Russians know it very well. And now – after “removing” Bannon (I am sure, that it was not Trump’s inicative, Bannon just had no space for realizing his plans in the circles of the deepstate loyalists) Tillerson is maybe the last of Trumo’s men and the last chance for Trump to communicate on top level with Lavrov/Putin.
If that’s the case then Trump is a complete idiot. The way to handle that would be to fire and courts martial / prosecute those responsible. That’s the point of being president and commander in chief.
I have just one hope (Hope.. ! step down from Wishful Thinking and one step up from a Sun Dance)
My hope is that Trump is simply giving his domestic enemies rope to hang themselves with. I noticed straight off, that this action ends the ability of the establishment to call him “Putins Puppet” and by acting quickly, disables accusations of being soft on Crimes against Red Lines etc.
Will he come out in a week or two and say “I acted in good faith, but I know now I was lied to by members of the Intelligence community and we will now drain the swamp”?
It is my hope, but I am not necessarily holding my breath!
and the oz prime minister and also the opposition leader were quick to praise this international war crime. its time they took alcolm frasers advice and withdrew from their american alliance, or learn to speak mandarin.
This is all charade.
If the original chemical attack was bullshit and the Russians were forewarned of the attack, it is fishy but perhaps not so scary.
Could this have been a weapons test?
Perhaps it was an organised demonstration to the neocons of the Russians air superiority in Syria.
Organised to let half the exocets in to hit their targets giving the MSM a talking point and taking out half to demonstrate the effectiveness of Russia’s missile defence. Perhaps a pre planned half.
It also demonstrates to me the relative ineffectiveness of exocet missiles. They might cause some misery but they won’t change the war.
There’s an extraordinary emotional response to everything Mr Trump does. An extraordinary disrespect for him and his office.
I think the office has earned it’s disrespect but I haven’t entirely given up on the Donald.
If the USA technology has really fallen behind as the Saker claims, he can give the MIC its head
and budget for lots of juicy research and development expenditure, if he can sell that to them.
Then he can deliver a peace dividend by cooling down the hot spots and have America rejoin the human race and allow for the incredible development and trade opportunities the Chinese are offering. He might even see job creation at home that isn’t flipping burgers, packing shelves or making weapons.
I may be naive but Mr Trump does not give me the impression of a Devil like previous incarnations.
He’s not a destroyer, he’s a builder.
It’s crazy isn’t it? The small number of people who run the world are actually the destroyers, not the creators. There’s more money in drug running and mass slaughter than anything else but only if a small enough group are in on it. We all know who they are. The Donald himself practically named them in his campaign and they exposed themselves in the last few months.
Everyone is getting too emotional, drawing conclusions which can’t be drawn.
This was a charade which means we’re not all about to die.
But it is interesting.
President Assad’s government protects the Christian minority in Syria. This type of government policy is exactly what the Middle East so desperately needs, with all the infighting between religious sects going on over there. So it’s absolutely appalling that we are attacking Syrian government facilities. We should be working in full cooperation with the Assad administration and Russia to defeat the terrorists who behave brutally towards other religions.
Notice that Konashenko stated most of the hits were 50-100m to one side of the airstrip and other important objects. Sending strong fake GPS signal (gradually) to confuse the GPS navigation of Tomahawks and move them away from their targets (those 50-100m) obviously worked… https://youtu.be/2xYM-yC0dtA
And if GPS moving was done on entire flight, many Tomahawks would fly 50-100m left or right of the original flight plan, hitting mountains or other objects…
Look to the U.S. instead of Syria to explain this stuff.
1. There are indications the Democrats will drop their stupid “Russian meddling” campaign against Trump.
2. The disastrous Susan Rice “unmasking” scandal is off the radar, at least for the moment.
3. The attack badly scared countless American citizens. They will not soon forget.
Silence of Russian S-300 and S-400 systems in Syria prevented nuclear war.
If this article is the truth then dismantle and send S-300 and S-400 back to Russia.
Unfortunately, Russia is not USSR. If Soviet Union was still around, the western aggression will be somewhat limited.
But Russia is the only powerful country on earth that stands up against USA and saved Syria from obliteration. The Russian policies seem to be incoherent and contradictory, maybe there is disagreement between the russian elites.
As for “communist” China, it is a joke. They only care for trade and money. China is useful only as a trade partner. Modern China has nothing in common with the Mao era, when China had a strong
The defense contractors needed to get rid of some old outdated missile stock and Trump needed to end the Russian collusion mantra.
Syria parks some ancient MIGs that aren’t even airworthy after they are tipped off.
Win win for the warpigs on all sides.
WWIII? Hardly but boots on the ground in Syria could lead to that.
It is hard for me to believe that Russia would Trade Moscow for Damascus.
All the “strike on Syria is political theatre” theories are intriguing but I think this is a test of everyone’s nerves, on many levels.
The temptation is to grasp at one of the theories in order to release some of the psychological pressure.
It’s not good that it has gotten to this point, but I will be amazed if it does not escalate much more and a lot of people on all sides don’t start blowing gaskets.
Trump? This looks like his “Bay of Pigs” moment. Will he survive it and act half as decisively as JFK did, and fire his lying “advisers”? All you can do is to kick his ass to do just that and see if he has it in him or not. If he does not start firing the war mongers, and pedophiles who now claim the moral high ground of defending Syrian “babies’ he’s tragic trash, and a real joke, like the very great majority of western society and their “comforts”, accomodations to evil and enslavement to mind control.
“These are the times that try men’s souls.”
The souls that seek the comfort of “majority opinion”, which is that it is smart to act stupid in order to “stay out of trouble” are now under full court psychological pressure to become mindless lemmings. Empire depends on that dynamic and cannot survive if enough of us resist it.
The following report is very revealing.
Daily Mail deleted article about US plan to stage chemical attack in Syria
April 7, 2017 – Fort Russ News
RIA Novosti – Translated by Kristina Kharlova
By Mikhail Voskresensky
MOSCOW, 7 Feb – The British paper Daily Mail has removed an article titled “The United States supported the plan to carry out a chemical attack in Syria and blame Assad regime” dated January 29 2013.
On Friday, US launched 59 missiles on the Syrian Shayrat airfield in HOMS province, without any proof claiming that a chemical attack in Idlib province was carried out from there.
Author of the article Louise Boyle reported that the US planned chemical attack to serve as a pretext for strengthening the international coalition military action in Syria.
“Emails, supposedly proving that the White House gave approval for carrying out chemical attack in Syria, which would be blamed on Assad regime and in turn would strengthen international military operations in the country. The published report contains correspondence between the two senior officials of the British-based company Britam Defence, which states that plan “approved by Washington” suggests that Qatar will finance the use of chemical weapons by rebel forces in Syria,” – the article says.
The article says that the correspondence was published by Malaysian hacker who also obtained access to resumes and copies of passports of its leaders.
RIA Novosti has asked Daily Mail to answer why and when exactly this article was removed from the website.
Official representative of Russian Defense Ministry major General Igor Konashenkov said Friday that the strike by US cruise missiles at Syrian airbase was prepared long before the events of Friday.
“It is obvious that American cruise missile strike on Syrian airbase has been prepared long before today’s events. For preparation of such impact it is necessary to conduct a large set of activities for exploration, planning, preparation of flight missions and bringing the missiles ready for launch”, -he said.
According to Konashenkov, “For any specialist it is clear that the decision on the missile strike on Syria was made in Washington long before the events at Khan Shaykhun, which served only as a formal reason, and a show of military strength is dictated solely by political reasons.”
All the “strike on Syria is political theatre” theories are intriguing but I think this is a test of everyone’s nerves, on many levels.
The temptation is to grasp at one of the theories in order to release some of the psychological pressure.
It’s not good that it has gotten to this point, but I will be amazed if it does not escalate much more and a lot of people on all sides don’t start blowing gaskets.
Trump? This looks like his “Bay of Pigs” moment. Will he survive it and act half as decisively as JFK did, and fire his lying “advisers”? All you can do is to kick his ass to do just that and see if he has it in him or not. If he does not start firing the war mongers, and pedophiles who now claim the moral high ground of defending Syrian “babies’ he’s tragic trash, and a real joke, like the very great majority of western society and their “comforts”, accomodations to evil and enslavement to mind control.
“These are the times that try men’s souls.”
The souls that seek the comfort of “majority opinion”, which is that it is smart to act stupid in order to “stay out of trouble” are now under full court psychological pressure to become mindless lemmings and go along to get along, or simply retreat into their own littleness and try to hide out there. Empire depends on that dynamic and cannot survive if enough persons develop the right stuff to resist it.