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I am wondering what the future of Airbus will be? Significant drop in Euro value, Increased material production cost and long lead time to delivery could spell trouble. Anyone have thoughts on this? Will Boeing become more competitive as a result?
A China airline just bought 140 Airbus worth US$17 billion.
More likely Airbus will move their production lines to China which is already making parts for Airbus planes ordered by Chinese companies.
Considering that there has so far been no viable explanation for the Boeing that nose dived a few months back in China I wonder how did that bear on this decision?
China is working on its own domestic airliner, so, goodbye Airbus, goodbye Boeing, hello Comac
Competitive? Boeing can’t even manage competent.
Airbus Engineer here, I will explain.
Airbus has a FAL (final assembly line) in China since years ago. So China has experience in assembly, but not in design.
Boeing is crap. Airbus is acceptable, but overpriced.
Both makers based their success in their monopoly. Most of the flights pass by Europe or the US, if their agencies does not approved “third planes” they have more difficulties.
Also, this has been a strategic area for the West, that always tried to destroy competition (like Soviet industry)
The famous CAMAC of China is not such a change, if I am not mistaken they use western engines (engines are really difficult to manufacture) and avionics.
The real change is the MC21 of Russia. A competitor of the A320 that is really fully Russian. Avionics, engine, composite materials, everything.
And if I am not mistaken it is superior to the A320 in efficiency.
Of course it will be, as always with the Russian industrial stuff, cheap and good quality. Much more competitive than overpriced a320.
It will start by Russia, but in 5/10 years we will see it flying in all kind of Asian airlines and probably also Africans.
Airbus and Boeing will loose a big part of their business, but they will remain in the West.
Specially Boeing is practically indestructible, since is part of the US MIC and most of its business is militar.
The western chorus… “money is for nothing and the chicks for free”.
Dang, this still ain’t working!
Those pesky Russians are becoming more self-sufficient and improving their balance sheet by the day. There’s only one thing for it in the minds of the United Sanctions of America.
Duh, Colin… two actually… more war and sanctions… that should do it.
….maybe get a blister on your little finger, maybe get a blister on your thumb….
be hard to count the money with crispy tips……..fingers that is.
No to more war……..
-8 here now, snow on the ground, likely stay till spring…..over there, how many brothers in arms will not get to go home, but will stay in the frozen ground.
Yeah Sean… I love Dire Straits too!
I grew up on to the sound of Van the Man, Dire Straits and Pink Floyd and I still adore both the music and the words.
This winter is going to be hellish for most of Europe and especially the pensioners and the poor. It will be yet another obscene and tragic chapter in the diary of the western hegemon.
This will be their undoing but it is hard to imagine Europe ever recovering from the looming financial and social devastation.
When I walk into my office every morning I always begin the day remembering a famous verse by VTM…
“Well, I get up in the morning and I get my brief
I go out and stare at the world in complete disbelief
It’s not righteous indignation that makes me complain
It’s the fact that I always have to explain”
Cheers and hope the Canadian winter treats you well
Just a linguistic note: I distinguish the geographical direction ‘west’ from the ideological vision and military practice of the ‘West’.
Col… You are so fun. regards from a fellow kiwi
Fantastic, parallel and domestic industry is the only solution. Jobs and incentives for citizens, and positive economic benefits to the Russian economy ( and partners that can be trusted) without dependence on ANY Western hegemony! BRAVO!
The Boeing 737 has been manufactured for almost 60 years and what Boeing does, well, fuck a good design for a flying Nintendo that unfortunately crashes.
Airbus dumps its planes, why do I know? because my Airbus engineer friends tell me that an Airbus manufactured as it is manufactured today, with a huge number of suppliers and bureaucracy from many countries, ends up with a final sale price that is impossible to place. so subsidies and more subsidies. That’s what Elon Musk knows a lot about
Actually, the issue(s) with the 737 are related to sales and marketing not engineering.
The airframe may be “60 years old” but in reality it is not. It’s like grandpa’s ax in steroids, meaning that most of the airframe and about all of the avionics and controls, including the wings, have been updated and are actually modern. Perhaps Boeing will replace the 737 with a composite materials 797, which it should have done in the very beginning… except the MBAs nixed that at the time due to the birthing issues with the revolutionary 787. But in the meantime, the 737 is a workhorse.
The problem with the 737 was that in order to satisfy the cheap Far Eastern Asian airlines, Boeing allowed the planes to be delivered with a non redundant automatic attitude control system and did not require new model pilot certification.
Airbus, OTOH, has been a Euro subsidized black hole since day one. Besides, IMHO, any plane that uses a joy stick and places a laptop where the control stick should be… well, it’s a Nintendo game and I’m not too happy being in it.
Never mind the market misread with the 380.
The Russkies can do their thing, at least they seem to build their own IP (intellectual property) most of the time (vide their Buran). The Chinese, OTOH, are major thieves of IP. And for that, I can not support them.
Elon Musk… well, when it comes to Space X he is really coming through with reliability, good design, almost flawless execution, public entertainment and cost savings. While NASA’s hugely expensive SLS ( 209 Kg to LEO ) still sits on the launch pad, the Falcon Heavy ( 140 Kg to LEO ) is already running well and the Super Heavy ( 200 Kg to LEO ) is coming along fine.
Not to mention that the Space X R&D and operational costs are much lower and their design times are about half those of NASA ( 4 years vs 8 years ).
Note.. whatever happened to Arianne? You think Space X just eat their lunch, and dinner, huh?
And Tesla was built from scratch. Now, I don’t much care for BEV, with their kludgy batteries, but I got to tip my hat to Tesla for successfully displacing the market for expensive cars ( Benz/Bimmer/Audi/Jaguar ) in my part of the World.
You’re right in everything you say; I just wanted to say that if you have a good design leave it as it is, even if it is a design from the 60’s. The problem with BOEING is that its hard-working staff hates BOEING executives and quality controls are more lax. No BOEING delivered to Western airlines has been exempt from “surprises” inside its fuel tanks, such as Kinder Eggs. Elon Musk, technologically, is a smoke seller and lives on subsidies because Tesla does not even generate profits without financial aid, he hardly sells cars and his sales are exclusively corporate; or of lower technology if we compare its Raptor (Space X) engines with a lower thrust than the Russian RD 180. Or that Starlink was completely Hacked in Ukraine
Starlink is supposed to be a civilian endeavor not a military system, hence it is not hardened to military attacks.
Remember that Space X relies on reusable boosters and the Mars Space Plane will fully return to Earth. Those are massive cost savings. They can make the weight with a volume of launches. The Mars trip is meant to be done with two launches, one to take up the Space plane and another for the fuel. They plan on using space tankers on orbit. This is the Space Shuttle that should have been.
As to the lower thrust… think about this.. Space X doesn’t have lots of different engines, they sort of have two types and they just bundle them. On top of that, the Raptor uses methane fuel which is vastly cheaper, safer and easier to use. I believe that they think they can create methane in Mars for return trips.
Boeing faced an issue with the 737 in that the wings sit too low to fit the newer, larger high bypass turbofans. So they had to (a) build a new plane or (b) raise the plane Their “solution” was to only raise the nose and then add the newer engines a bit more forward, thus affecting the center of gravity of the plane. They should have started on a 797 five years ago, as a scaled down 787. Hopefully they will do so soon. Their management does suck. But most management at large companies sucks, so they are not so different. Fundamentally, commercial airline makers are extremely conservative because if their products fail, a lot of people are killed -and that’s bad for the bottom line and the PR.
I can only think of only two other industries in that boat: Pharma and Telco. Failures of their products can also be catastrophic.
Fantastic! To be a leader is to produce your own.
Russian state and corps must heavily invest in R&D over the next couple of decades, primarily in IT, chips production, outer space tech, military hardware, auto industry, to name a few.
Innovation is the key to the standard of living, defense of the state, and world relations.
aircraft and autos are similar, they are state subsidized job programs. Boeing, airbus etc are all state subsidized with low interest financing, and like the auto industry dependent on low oil prices, when oil prices start going up, troubles arise. Like current situation.
hence west has to invade oil producing nations and destroy their states, and murder their people.
First, they came for the fruit and veg, sanctioned, but we didn’t grow enough of our own (Now we are the largest exporters of fertilisers/grains). Next, they came for our high-tech, sanctioned, spare parts not forthcoming (Now we manufacture and produce, 100% made in Russia).
So, you can shove your stinky French Cheeses up your sphincter and don’t fly over Russian airspace any time soon.
The best piece of news of the week. Congratulations Russia.
It would be Russian and Chinese interest to form a cooperative partnership in domestic aircraft production. In particular, Russia and China could not come to terms on Russian jet engines for the COMAC product line. It would be desirable for both countries to find some common ground. China is especially dependent on Western suppliers who could start product embargoes in a heartbeat.
Bravo ! Good to see Russia realize its potential. Hopefully it will boost confidence for new original products.
My sincerely congratulations to the people and authorities of Russia. You are giving a wonderful example of resilience, faith and determination to the rest of the world.
Maybe after the war in Ukraine aircraft manufacturing can begin there again. After the war many things can happen again.
Nobody in the West will buy anything Russia except Vodka and Russian Vodka is hard to get here in New Zealand.
It is a shame, we used to have good relations with Russia prior to 2014 and the first Invasion when Russia broke the United Nations Charter of Nations, the Budapest Memorandum and the Helsinki Accord.
And then Putin and his PutiniZts broke the same International Laws on the 24th of February, 2022.
New Zealand has proud-ed itself on being a moderate state, but PutinZt ideology and its eveil tone has gone too far. Down with Putin and down with Trump!
I dont think it is going to fly that well down here in New Zealand. It wont get a look in until after the War when Ukraine has won.