By Višeslav Simić for the Saker Blog
Although a quarter of a century your junior, and much less intellectual and scholarly than you, I dare send you a few counsels and recommendations since I, as a Serb, have the experience with the West about 200 times longer than that which you have encountered of it during the 60-odd days of the Russian Resurrection and the West’s Suicide, started on Feb. 24, 2022.
Some day in the victorious future all of this will be remembered as the lectures on how the steel was tempered, and that only the free, good, and honorable men may exchange ideas, feelings and gifts, while scoundrels, cowards and thieves break and crumble under the weight of their collective evil and lies.
Three decades ago, I preached to my Serb brethren (but also to many Russians in Washington, DC, where I lived at that time) that Belgrade and Serbia (and Moscow and Russia) are defended in the Krajina but they let it fall to the Nazis. Evil won and now the Serbdom is driven to the Eastern Front against Russia by the West-installed puppet governments in all the historically Serbian lands of the Balkans. We will see if Russians and Russia have learned the lesson that today the Holy Rus is making its last stand in the Ukrajina…
I wish to remind you that it wasn’t only Gandhi who wished for a civilization and a humanity based on non-violence but that there had been a real ancient civilization, and basically the entire humanity of that era, known as the Vinča ancestors of today’s Serbs and Russians, who generated, developed and perpetuated a non-violent and cooperative way of life in the Morava, Sava and Danube watersheds for 2000 years, before the violent Greco-Roman attitudes led humanity astray, culminating in today’s NATO global rampage and infamy.
Today’s Western elites and states were, from the earliest age, founded on celebrated and rewarded trickery, robbery, humiliation, and exploitation of the Other – be it the Trojan or Roman Founding Myths, the Conquistadors’ “Christianization” of the New Worlds, or the Anglo “Civilizing” of the overseas “natives”. Their capitals are brimming with the wealth and the monuments of other peoples’ achievements, which they stole from them, as well as from each other. Blood and tears flow through their veins, while cries, groaning, and wailing echo through their minds. The West’s only way to avoid going mad from all that self-caused human suffering was to exalt itself above and beyond it, turning itself into the superior self-pardoning judge and jury of the entire humanity. The West still believes that it works…
To go back quickly to the Serbs and our recent and ongoing experience with the West, comparing it to what you and Russia are suffering today:
At the time of my writing this, it has been just about 60 days since all the rabid hate came in the open. It is disgusting and hurtful, but it is healing and awakening too. For the Serbs it has been 200 times longer – around 12 thousand days of material shortages and as many harrowing nights of memories of the innocents lost – over three long decades of public and injurious libel, defamation, and malice… A Biblical generation of the passage of time, also signifying a maturity and readiness for the task God sets before His Chosen people, who, after so much trial, are ready to blaze a trail into a new future.
It might be that we were readied to enlighten today’s Russians, awed and shocked by the current torrent of lies and abuse, how to face and deflect the West’s relentless and mortal attack, using our survivalist experiences that made us stronger and wiser the harder and the more forsaken (even by the Yeltsin era Russians) we suffered.
Therefore – without falling into the pre-set trap of generalizations and stereotypes we must both recognize and acknowledge the West’s lethal and shameless political and socio-cultural majorities demanding Russia’s destruction, but also honor and beholden the costly individual dissidence. The latter is much easier for it is barely quantifiable and statistically negligible but so substantially more precious and dearer.
It could be so (Western!) easy, and understandable, to call, for example, the Poles stupid and suicidal, to claim that the Germans are again properly deadly obedient, that Croats continue wallowing in their false-victim blood-rage (only now not in the Krajina but in the Ukrajina!), that Bosnian Moslems are climaxing in their psychopathic masochism (although totally bewildered by the proper Moslem Chechen presence among the “Orthodox Forces of Evil”), that the UK/US tandem is again exercising its Indispensable Anglosadism, that the UN/EU antihuman bureaucracy is yet again grinding the global economy and social interaction to a halt, that the West’s “Academia” is becoming unhinged in its scio-cideous stultitocracy… But we will not recommend any of that!
We simply observe reality and see the West’s group-think hordes being marshalled into self-policing neighborhood squads, conscience-corrupting business battalions, merciless social media regiments, while its collective Self faire les yeux doux at Washington, D.C. global supremacist intercontinental murderers and pillagers, idiotically smiling at their imagined furtum-future of financial abracadabracaism, while incanting curses and spells, casting them upon Russia and Putin, literally shepherding the bewitched hosts into the Church of Satan, the dearest and most fitting religion of the faithless and atheist former human conglomeration devoted to consumption and wastefulness only.
As I mentioned earlier, this experience is healing and awakening too – especially to the self-celebrated and often willingly misguided, and self-pitying Russian intelligentsia. Now they may see that there has never been anything superior or exceptional about the West’s academic elites, and that among them today there are many more Lysenkos than there had been in the USSR. One may wonder what Lenin would write to Gorki today about the claim that these are “the brain” of the West…
It is now before urbi et orbi that the undeniable totality of the West’s academia have consciously departed the beautiful realms of humanistic imagination and creativity in order to lock themselves into the terrific dungeons of nightmarish unthinking Wokeism, nonsensical Political Correctness, and slavery to the Regime, that they have abandoned Science and her Method, renouncing Questioning, Research, Hypothesis, Experiment, and Data-based Conclusion, embracing instead the summary execution of foreordained sentences issued by mental disorder, gainful ignorance, and moral callousness, all elevated upon the pedestal of Blind Obedience to Tyranny.
Even the most idiotic Russian apologists of the West must now recognize that it has most stupidly turned the most consciously cooperative and patient Russian leader in the last 100 years into a repentant enemy of its Empire of Lies. Also – every still critical and moral intellectual in the world, who may be horrified by the death and destruction caused by military operations, must halt before joining in with the Western choir of the daily Two-Minutes-of-Hate-Russia hysteria and ask: Where have these people been during the 8 years of the Donbass Hell, the True Srebrenica Genocide, the 1999 NATO criminal destruction and occupation of Serbia, the ongoing Yemen Holodomor, the 500,000 Iraqi children killed by “the force for good in the world”, the Malvinas Landgrab, The US Corporate Central American Cleansing of the Untermensch Natives, The NATO Mass Rapes of Whole States during the “Springs” in the Middle East? Where is the outcry at the Assange Inquisition? Why the silence about the inevitable upcoming starvation and freezing of the European masses in a few months due to genocidal public policies of NATO/EU governments?
We must not forget the West’s military… We must recognize that “the greatest military the world has ever seen” and its minions have been training the “pro-democracy” forces of the anti-Serb & anti-Russian “allies” in doing exactly that at what NATO is best – the same these barbaric bloodthirsty beasts had been doing for centuries: killing helpless women and children and running away from armed men fighting for their fatherland, faith, and families. Remember Afghanistan, anyone?
So, my dear Russian brother – concentrate on winning and liberating your land and people, being the strongest, on improving your own country, and building a new world in which free, brave, moral, and good people will eliminate the conditions for the regrowth of the West’s diabolical cancer – all the -isms that destroy Man and Humanity. Only The Victor may do!
- This was addressed to an octogenarian Russian scholar, a wise and noble soul, and a great proponent for peace. ↑
- Basically, the same as the Ukraine, just the Southern Slavic, Serbian version of the same concept of “Borderland” – Serbs have a few of those, all around the Serbian heartland, towards each of the many enemies surrounding them. ↑
- Using the Serbian Latin letters spelling of the Ukraine on purpose to emphasize the analogy. ↑
- In 1995, NATO-led Croat Nazis proudly and openly committed the greatest genocide since WWII but it was rewarded by Croatia’s membership in both the EU and NATO. Their cultural elites today openly state that there are many Croat volunteers in the Ukraine and that the Azov battalion is the same as the Croat WWII Ustaša army. ↑
- “Making sweet eyes” = Looking with love and desire ↑
- They are volunteering their obedience to the rulers while in the USSR the disobedience was punished by the Gulag! ↑
- The infamous 1915 letter, in which Lenin denied “the brain of the nation” status to the Russian intelligentsia, calling them its “shit”. ↑
- That is what US President Biden called Madeleine Albright at her recent funeral, which allowed her to escape her trial for crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide. ↑
I agree in lot of part of this essay but in the part of mixing old Greek and Rome with Anglosaxon West.
This is a mistake that I very much see in the people opposed to the West nowadays, and it is a very big mistake.
There is not a line from Greek to Rome to the nowadays West. Even the Spanish empire and and the Italian or Portuguese explores have very few in common with the Anglosaxon powers.
This is a lie that is spread by the Anglosaxon Zionist elites. And it is far from truth.
Just take a look at the Roman Empire, was a empire that integrate people from all Mediterranean Sea. Adopted their culture inside it, adopted their gods. Nothing in common with the “americanization” of the world pursued by the unholy US.
Anglosaxon powers are barbarians demonic, don’t mix them with Greeks and Romans. Just look the museums in London and Paris. Full of stolen Greek art, as well as stolen Egyptian, Sumerian.:..
Even call the West, the West is bad from a linguistic point of view. It is imply uniformity. Spain, Italy, Greece, most South America… are colonies. Pure colonies. They were the first people dominated by the Anglosaxon powers. And if they are now part of them is because of their culture being erased, their institutions corrupted and their government being set by the Anglosaxon world.
Call the enemy with its real name. Anglosaxon elites. So US, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Those are the heart and brain of the evil.
Then come in second part Germany, Japan.
Then the full occupied territory. Spain, Italy, Greek, (even Ireland fits here), the dominated countries of South America….
“I agree in lot of part of this essay but in the part of mixing old Greek and Rome with Anglosaxon West.
This is a mistake that I very much see in the people opposed to the West nowadays, and it is a very big mistake.”
THANK YOU, you are 100% correct.
(And I wonder, why they do that? At least in some cases, it’s because if they do, the main unifier force in European history has to be put into question: Christianity. Exactly that force which already demonstrated over and over to be quite incompatible with ancient Roman and especially ancient Greek culture and typical mindset.
Take “The Melian Dialogue” by Thucydides and put in among a meeting of believers. It will make the whole room explode.)
Well said Cid (campeador?), bien dicho, ben detto,
ad maiora, memento audere semper.
But their real title should not be Anglosaxon, but instead should be Anglo-Norman.
The British did not embark on their path to domination until after the Norman invasion. That’s when elitism entered their thinking.
The influence of the Anglo-Normans can be seen even in free market economics.
French here – half the country might be brain-dead, but a good third of it considers Macron and its clique a demonic entity. Also, NATO is not such a popular option, and slavophilia is not uncommon.
Interesting. I live in Australia but originally from Serbia (Yugoslavia). Have some French mates. They hate Macron but vote for him. This may be so in all of Europe, that the left cannot bring itself to vote for what has been misnamed far-right, but what is in reality just conservatism with a good dose of some progressive elements. The left must recognise its true and immediate enemy: the neo-libs. The conservatives, and even far right are easier to deal with after. And when I say ‘deal with’ I mean co-exist. That’s essence of democracy, no?
The International Neocon has a knife every back.
East or West, Anglo or Slav. It is the one to track!
The International Neocon has a knife for every back.
East or West, Anglo or Slav. It is the one to track!
Parece que faltou alguns “criadores de confusão” nesta lista de inimigos, uns tais de azquenazis que foram ” solicitados ” a professar uma das religiões monoteístas e a tomaram para si. E hoje dominam religiões, legislativos, executivos e judiciários de ” democracias ” mundo afora.
It seems that some “mufflers” were missing from this list of enemies, such as Azkenazis who were “requested” to profess one of the monotheistic religions and took it for themselves. And today they dominate religions, legislatures, executives and judiciaries of “democracies” around the world.
You might not like it but it’s a fact. Roman and Greek cultures were based on robbing and sacking, that’s archeologically, historically and by all other means a proven fact.
Every civilization has violently abused its neighbors, wherever they CAN. Even remote amazonic tribes regularly engaged in murder and war.
What a beautiful writing. Thank you Višeslav for sharing with us. Your presentation looks like a modern version of the famous poem “The Scythians” from Alexander Blok. The spirit is essentially the same. Here is it:
You are but millions. Our unnumbered nations
Are as the sands upon the sounding shore.
We are the Scythians! We are the slit-eyed Asians!
Try to wage war with us — you’ll try no more!
You’ve had whole centuries. We — a single hour.
Like serfs obedient to their feudal lord,
We’ve held the shield between two hostile powers —
Old Europe and the barbarous Mongol horde.
Your ancient forge has hammered down the ages,
Drowning the distant avalanche’s roar.
Messina, Lisbon — these, you thought, were pages
In some strange book of legendary lore.
Full centuries long you’ve watched our Eastern lands,
Fished for our pearls and bartered them for grain;
Made mockery of us, while you laid your plans
And oiled your cannon for the great campaign.
The hour has come. Doom wheels on beating wing.
Each day augments the old outrageous score.
Soon not a trace of dead nor living thing
Shall stand where once your Paestum flowered before.
O Ancient World, before your culture dies,
Whilst failing life within you breathes and sinks,
Pause and be wise, as Oedipus was wise,
And solve the age-old riddle of the Sphinx.
That Sphinx is Russia. Grieving and exulting,
And weeping black and bloody tears enough,
She stares at you, adoring and insulting,
With love that turns to hate, and hate — to love.
Yes, love! For you of Western lands and birth
No longer know the love our blood enjoys.
You have forgotten there’s a love on Earth
That burns like fire and, like all fire, destroys.
We love cold Science passionately pursued;
The visionary fire of inspiration;
The salt of Gallic wit, so subtly shrewd,
And the grim genius of th German nation.
We know the hell of a Parisian street,
And Venice, cool in water and in stone;
The scent of lemons in the southern heat;
The fuming piles of soot-begrimed Cologne.
We love raw flesh, its color and its stench.
We love to taste it in our hungry maws.
Are we to blame then, if your ribs should crunch,
Fragile between our massive, gentle paws?
We know just how to play the cruel game
Of breaking in the most rebellious steeds;
And stubborn captive maids we also tame
And subjugate, to gratify our needs…
Come join us, then! Leave war and war’s alarms,
And grasp the hand of peace and amity.
While still there’s time, Comrades, lay down your arms!
Let us unite in true fraternity!
But if you spurn us, then we shall not mourn.
We too can reckon perfidy no crime,
And countless generations yet unborn
Shall curse your memory till the end of time.
We shall abandon Europe and her charm.
We shall resort to Scythian craft and guile.
Swift to the woods and forests we shall swarm,
And then look back, and smile our slit-eyed smile.
Away to the Urals, all! Quick, leave the land,
And clear the field for trial by blood and sword,
Where steel machines that have no soul must stand
And face the fury of the Mongol horde.
But we ourselves, henceforth, we shall not serve
As henchmen holding up the trusty shield.
We’ll keep our distance and, slit-eyed, observe
The deadly conflict raging on the field.
We shall not stir, even though the frenzied Huns
Plunder the corpses of the slain in battle, drive
Their cattle into shrines, burn cities down,
And roast their white-skinned fellow men alive.
O ancient World, arise! For the last time
We call you to the ritual feast and fire
Of peace and brotherhood! For the last time
O hear the summons of the barbarian lyre!
One of my favorite poems, thank you! And I thank the writer of this beautiful essay, beautiful because he is telling the truth.
Svaka ti cas, Viseslav. It’s about time the world wakes up to the truth about the Western Deep State blood cult. Sadly, many people in the west are good souls, but have been brain washed. I pray for God to soon reveal his true power and wake up the good people of the world.
Many, many thanks Višeslav Simić for a much needed and interesting article.
Particularly regarding: *Vinča ancestors of today’s Serbs and Russians, who generated, developed and perpetuated a non-violent and cooperative way of life..*
which we Anglo-Kharzari-Zionyy scumbags have with our typically destructive *nation building* rampages still try to throw into the garbage can and deny its very existence.
For us, long live the Greeks, Romans etc., and f….the rest as ordained by Oxford University and City of London Khazaris..
a) A poor start for visitors at the Belgrade National Museum, where the Vinca exhibits are not well displayed, under-funded and explained. Thanks Mr. Vucc-shit with stooges & NATO controllers in media & ministries.
b) However, a Vinca archaeological site just 25 minutes bus ride from Belgrade on Danube river – is really worth a visit with excellent displays in English too, a very enthusiastic curator (only speaks Serb..) but most young Belgradians speak excellent English. Very under-funded. Also beautiful scenery which is the standard along that wonderful river.
c) Sorry, did not visit 3 other outstanding Vinca sites along the Danube.
d) At last, the German archaeologist-linguist Harald Haarmann has published *The Mystery of the Danube Civilisation: The discovery of Europe’s oldest civilisation by Harald Haarmann 2020 | ISBN: 373741145X* plus many Youtube presentations.
Also excellent Russian Youtube Vinca documentary also – sorry only in Russian and lost reference. 2019!!! Sure, recently some historical Youtube presenters do speak favourably of Vinca civilisation.
e) In Romania, a young experienced Chinese archaeologist with sufficient funding is leading a team excavating along the Sava river with latest Laser/Radar technology etc., Not possible in Serbia with Vucc-shit!!
Unfortunately, I was only living for 8 months in the beautiful, friendly and affordable Belgrade 2019-2020. Now I really regret, that with an EU passport I did not make a more determined and imaginative effort to get the work Visa. Also for North Americans etc., through buying most affordable real estate (still and especially in rural areas), starting a small business (English teaching, import biz perhaps) or marriage, then Belgrade lawyers can arrange long-term visas. No big deal!!!
We retarded psychopathic Anglo-Khazaris have for the past 600 years done everything possible to ridicule, denigrate and ultimately destroy cultures and civilisations, particularly from Slavic, brown, black or yellow peoples.
We have such an inferiority complex that we still are unable to acknowledge the contribution of the brilliant and faithful Mileva Maric, again a Serb who supported and contributed much to Albert Einsteins work. Publications about her and also Vinca in Serbian, German and Russian – NATURALLY, more often than not are not translated into English.
Most recently, the pure sadistic joy and satisfaction of us Anglo-Zionists in pillaging and devastating the museums, ancient sites and cities in Bagdhad, Iraq – later flooding the collectors markets particularly in occupied Israel and USA.
Izvanredan analitički članak, g Simiću!
An exceptional anlytical article, mr Simic! My hat’s off to you
Thumbs up ;-). https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=18198169505998630104&text=Zorro+making+the+Z&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffrontend.vh.yandex.ru%2Fplayer%2Fvv6v2lDStHwg
“…the West must now recognize that it has most stupidly turned the most consciously cooperative and patient Russian leader in the last 100 years into a repentant enemy of its Empire of Lies.”
It is true, but the vast majority here (Europe) does not recognize it. It is understandable, considered the amount of bad publicity and slander VVP has been subjected to in the last 20 years.
(This is also valid for US, but in a different way. “West” stands as a rightful term to indicate a military alliance, but at the same time “West” is an imprecise and vague term culturally speaking. Europe is not US, and Spain is not Denmark. Huge differences, which often pro-Russian commentators do not take into consideration. Interestingly, one exeption has recently been the Russian foreign minister Lavrov, who very wisely appointed during a TV interview the Italian leaders’ reaction to be quite different from that of the Italian people.)
This is the video from press conference held by Serbian PM (at that time) Vucic and Israeli PM Netanyahu in Jerusalem back in 2014. During his opening spech, Mr. Netanyahu literally said: “The friendship between Jewish and Serbian people goes back to thousands of years, to the time of the Roman republic.”
Of course, Vucic has no clue what is Netanyahu talking about…
Bojane, Net Yahoo is not an authority on these things. And he’s not likeable. And he’s a liar, abuser and manipulator. Hardly a recommendation for the Serbian cause.
May 4th – good day to publish this. Death of Tito
Video of his train and funeral
I was only 5 years old at the time, but I have a vivid memory of my (Croatian) father crying while watching the funeral on German TV.
Tito’s death was, unfortunately, the beginning of the self-fulfilling prophecy that culminated in the unnecessary break-up of Yugoslavia, the ensuing civil wars, and the end result of everybody losing, becoming poorer and more dependent on globalist forces.
All former Yugoslav republics now have one main export product: their children.
The Destruction of Yugoslavia was funded and promoted by the war party in Washington. The war party funded and promoted the most extremist wackos. Why ? because the War Party is terrified of a peaceful and stable Europe.
The war party is following the exact same playbook in its War to Destroy Ukraine.
Ahh…Cry me a damn a river.
The West is elevated evil as an example of good intentions. Pedophiles like Bill Clinton and Gates are forgiven as they cry crocodile tears of remorse and admission of their sexual perversion, ignoring the children they molested as collateral damage.
The trained parrot on evening news squawk accusations of genocide to others ignoring thousands of examples of their own genocide in every corner of this globe and even ignore the callous statement that “price was right” in the death of 500 thousand Iraqi children and the elderly and that from US Secretary of State, a mother of three of her own.
The trained parrots, their schools, and entertainment industry elevate those who burned millions in Owens, in Auschwitz, and Javenovac, machine-gunned thousands at Babi Yar, Kragujevac, as freedom fighters and national heroes. They ignore the sacrifices at Stalingrad, Kursk, Leningrad, and the Fall of Berlin and glorify the Normandy landing and Hiroshima as the battles that saved humanity. They demean the heroic Russian soldiers as rapists and genocidal, when theirs were ten times worse.
Today at the highest level of government decision-making we have grandchildren of the Nazis like Scholz, Van der Lien, Freeland supplying weapons to the Nazi Azov Battalion so that they can kill more Ukrainian women and children as they did for 8 years in the Donbas.
We have senile old men like Biden without ideas other than war and more war with Boris whose culture was built on slavery and plunder attempting to plunder Russia by supporting once again Nazism as their forefathers did many times over.
“who generated, developed and perpetuated a non-violent and cooperative way of life in the Morava, Sava and Danube watersheds for 2000 years, before the violent Greco-Roman attitudes led humanity astray, culminating in today’s NATO global rampage and infamy.”
Your knowledge of history is as hilarious as Liz Truss’ geography!
Seriously, I would have loved to read your article, except I stopped right there in that paragraph.
It is astonishing there are people up to this day who confuse ‘greco-roman’ (unclear what it means, except if seen in the sense of ethnic, religious, art, customs etc. relation.)
It is astonishing also, that there are people up to this day who disregard the irrelevance of the roman empire of antiquity, with the frankish empire, and somehow believe the franks to be a …continuation. I mean if I get inyour house, kill you, rob your stuff, and start calling myself with your surname, it totally makes me partof your family, and its natural heir. Mekes perfect sense, doesn’t it?
It is also astonishing, there are people up to this day, who totally ignore where orthodox christianity came from (tip: it didn’t grow on trees), and what is its foundation and course all these centuries – often called hellenorthodoxy, for its platonic theology, religious liturgies, and moral values.
Why don’t you start reading Plutarcus, and then tell me where the morals, teachings, and values, which many of you pretend to have as ‘christian orthodox’, are found in their brilliant, fully developed form.
I’m guessing you’re Greek and upset. I don’t understand the rest
“In 1995, NATO-led Croat Nazis proudly and openly committed the greatest genocide since WWII but it was rewarded by Croatia’s membership in both the EU and NATO.”
This was a reaction to the genocide that was committed in the preceding years, when Serb nationalists could basically do whatever they liked because the ‘neutral’ Yugoslavian army had their backs. But the Croats built up their army, kept the Serbs away from the Adriatic beaches they coveted so much, and 5 years later the vicious cycle of violence and revenge made another turn.
The conflict in Yugoslavia was entirely unnecessary, but it was forced internally by politicians exploiting nationalist tendencies on all sides, and externally by basically everyone – from the US to Germany to Russia – eager to sell their old Cold War-arsenals and happy to see relatively mighty Yugoslavia broken up. Most of all, it was Serbian stubborn arrogance to reduce their dominant position and transition to a confederation of sorts, just like Ukraine refused to do with Donetsk and Luhansk.
As someone of Croatian origins, I have to say that I find it sad to see Croatian media pushing western propaganda like nowhere else during this conflict in Ukraine. I was hoping to see more of an identification with the Russian minority in the Donbass, instead of automatically picking sides based on the premise that Serbs and Russians are the same. To me, what Russia is doing now, is similar to Croatia’s special military operation in Krajina in 1995: Pushing out the extremist rats. Unfortunately, this usually means that people of good will cannot stay either (unless they are extremely courageous).
I’m afraid that this conflict will give a rise to fascist subcurrents in Croatia, even though slogans like ‘za dom spremni’ (similar to ‘Slava Herojam’) are widely condemned. And even though I’m more in favour of a multipolar world instead of a unipolar world that only serves concentrated wealth, I do fear that Russia’s (deserved) return to super-power status will also fuel extreme nationalist tendencies in Serbia.
The combination of such trends would lead to another chapter in the Balkan’s vicious cycle of violence and revenge. A chapter no one needs.
Thank you, Neven.
There is a difference in that Russians are really doing everything they can to convince all people in territories they take (even if they feel Ukrainian) they will not be hurt and there is place for them in new society (if they are not war criminals). Croatians in 1995 were dead set from beginning on driving out whole Serb population, extremist or not, and even killed number of elderly who could or would not leave.
It would have been interesting to see if the autonomous republic of Krajina would have survived if it was accepted. The Croatian government did make the offer early in the war to Milosevic but it was rejected by the Krajina Republic led by Milan Babic at the time. It was clearly evident that Ukraine failed to adhere to the Minsk Accords and was bombing and strafing the Donbas for the last eight years. The same fate would have awaited the Serbs in Krajina with no security guarantees.
Not true. The Serbs of Krajina accepted the peace deal. This was confirmed in the trial of Mosevic and subsequently in Andy Wilcoxson ‘s book. The Croats launched Operation Storm the very next day.
I posted several links about this in many previous conversations!
Your mixing up two different offers. Early in the war Croatia offered autonomy to Milan Babic and it was rejected by the parliament. The second instance before operation storm was not really an offer as Croatia was going to attack no matter what, the decision was made. During the Milosevic trial, Milosevic claims he did not receive any calls about the so called autonomy offer.
See link for initial offer of autonomy for Croatian Serbs in 1991.
“This was a reaction to the genocide that was committed in the preceding years, when Serb nationalists could basically do whatever they liked because the ‘neutral’ Yugoslavian army had their backs. But the Croats built up their army, kept the Serbs away from the Adriatic beaches they coveted so much, and 5 years later the vicious cycle of violence and revenge made another turn.”
You are not in a western sponsored news outlet to spew your Croatian propaganda.
Wrong, there was on genocide committed anywhere in the former Yugoslavia. The war in Yugoslavia was a civil war which raged on. Yugoslavia was on a stalemate as far as a political solution, confederation or otherwise. The Croatian police units started seizing Yugoslav barracks which met with resistance. Eventually, the JNA was sent and extremist elements were sent in from Zagreb which led to further deterioration on the ground. A UN brokered ceasefire was signed and the Yugoslav army pulled back, at that point the Republic of Kraijina was declared. The Croatians built up their army breaking the arms embargo on Yugoslavia and then launched an attack on the Krajina republic breaking UN lines and killing UN personnel. This was in contrary to all UN resolutions and UN Charter. The Russian special operation is based on self defense and article 51 of the UN Charter.
The republic of Kraijina was a borderland frontier originally created by Austro-Hungary to allowed Serbian and Croatian citizens land and freedom to defend against the Ottomans during the early 20th century. The Republic of Krajina was declared within the province of Croatia to protect the Serbian citizens who were losing language and civil rights when Croatia was recognized by the international community. Sound familiar to the fate of Donbas where citizens were stripped of Russian language rights? The Serbians of Croatia were not asked if they wanted to remain in Yugoslavia or be part of a new state of Croatia.
“The conflict in Yugoslavia was entirely unnecessary, but it was forced internally by politicians exploiting nationalist tendencies on all sides, and externally by basically everyone – from the US to Germany to Russia – eager to sell their old Cold War-arsenals and happy to see relatively mighty Yugoslavia broken up. Most of all, it was Serbian stubborn arrogance to reduce their dominant position and transition to a confederation of sorts, just like Ukraine refused to do with Donetsk and Luhansk.”
The conflict of Yugoslavia was “unnecessary” , however, Russia really did not have the same levers to press such as US and Germany at that time, do that is a disingenuous comparison. You are partially correct that there were certain segments of the Serbian community who opposed confederation. Can you blame them after the holocaust that was perpetrated against the Serbs during WWII? Do you realize that the Serbs and Russians on a per capital basis paid the highest price of lives during WWII?
To answer your question, there was as political stalemate over question of confederacy in Yugoslavia, 4 votes for, 4 against. The republics instead chose a path of independence which was sure to ignite a civil war with Serbia having the largest minorities spread across Yugoslavia. The only correct comparison between Donetsk and Luhansk is they both these republics were stripped of their Russian language and civil rights just like the Serbian minority in Croatia.
“As someone of Croatian origins, I have to say that I find it sad to see Croatian media pushing western propaganda like nowhere else during this conflict in Ukraine. I was hoping to see more of an identification with the Russian minority in the Donbass, instead of automatically picking sides based on the premise that Serbs and Russians are the same. To me, what Russia is doing now, is similar to Croatia’s special military operation in Krajina in 1995: Pushing out the extremist rats. Unfortunately, this usually means that people of good will cannot stay either (unless they are extremely courageous).”
It make sense that “someone with Croatian origins” would be surprised that Croatian media is pushing western propaganda?! You do realize that Croatia is fully part of the EU and NATO? You do realize that Croatia was a Nazi state during WWII led by Ante Pavelic?
Croatia’s operation storm was a war crime where over 300,000 thousand innocent Serbian civilians were forced to leave their ancestral homes, so called “extremist rats”
Croatia’s operation stroke broke through international UN lines and killed UN personnel, a flagrant and egregious breaking of international law. You do realize that the Operation Storm was supported by NATO which bombed Serbian positions?
“I do fear that Russia’s (deserved) return to super-power status will also fuel extreme nationalist tendencies in Serbia.The combination of such trends would lead to another chapter in the Balkan’s vicious cycle of violence and revenge. A chapter no one needs.”
You should fear it, to give the readers the entire story, the population of ethnic Serbs in 1938 in the current borders of Croatia more or less was 38% or over 2 million. In 1992 the population of ethnic Serbs in the current borders of Croatia fell to 12% or under 600 thousand. in 2022, the population of ethnic Serbs in the current Croatia borders is between 3-4 %, around 170 thousand if that.
The fascist extremists were allowed to take over Croatia , that is the simple fact of it. Former leader of Croatia Franjo Tudkman wrote a damning book Historical Wastelands which reduced the numbers of the Jewish and Serbian Holocaust perpetrated during the Nazi and client puppet states like Croatia. Maybe Zelensky should read it.
Serbs aside. Today’s Croatia has the flag, crest, anthem, and the currency of the good old Independent Croatian State, a direct ally of Nazi Germany. You are living in a country (modern Croatia) in which it is normal for the national soccer team members to show and tell “Sieg heil” / “za dom spremni” in front of a large Croat audience and get an ecstatic response from the fans. Any chance you are deceiving yourself? Friend, you are living in direct descent of Nazi Germany. I mean you are having that crazy parliament member sporting an Adolf mustache, you are having streets named by war criminals from WWII. No one says anything. Why? Because you are proud to be latent Nazis, not having the cojones to do it openly, or even worse thinking you are somehow smart that you are Nazis but getting away with it. Are you still haunted by Serbs? Why the hell are you Nazis then, Serbs made you do it? :)
This is a translation from Croatian last two paragraphs of an article written by Goran Saric a Creation Catholic theologian . He is published regularly by Croatian Media
” Russia, in the last 20 years, has focused on domestic production. In 2014, she would not have survived this level of sanctions and everything that comes with them. Another thing, this situation suited them. There is a Russian minority in Ukraine which is a constant problem. The 8-year war in the East has cost 12000 Russian civilian lives. Ukraine cannot move forward economically because it is constantly in a kind of semi-war state, so the Ukrainian people are dissatisfied with their government. Even with all of this, Russia, had no interest in entering the conflict. She could only let Donbass be a problem. They went to war because they were literally pushed against the wall.
This problem will be the hard for Europe to bear. The victims are Ukrainians white, and blond. While the situation was calm in Europe, different voices were heard, and debate existed, information was annualized and debated but now that is ended, and we only hear one voice that of the Galician lobby in the west. It is almost forbidden to hear a different opinion. There is a terrible media war in Croatia and Slovenia. They write that Putin is like Milosevic. It plays on those most pathetic sentiments. People like Milanović, Orban, Zeman simply had to change their statements a little so that they would not be attacked and so that a chase would not start against them – concludes Šarić.
As for what you write, it’s not verifiable or accurate. I have lived for 70 years in the West due to German History and due to many Croatians being ashamed of their Slav roots and wanted to be Germans, not mush different from the Poles and Catholics in Ukraine. One grandfather killed on the Salonika Front and two killed in WWII, fathers of my uncles. My father was killed and three uncles. Every policy in the USA and Canada was tied to making everyone an Anglo-Saxon, be it to wash the Indian out of the native child even if you had to kill him/her first.. Now they excuse that as a positive step, with collateral damage.
Croatian diaspora played a major role in financing terrorism from Australia in 1972 , and Canada attacks on the Yu embassy and killing of people like Dr, Sovilj in Vancouver who was a friend to all the people from Yugoslavia. . All of this was organized by the grandchildren of the Ustasa that fled as the Red Army entered Yugoslavia.
The Serbs were much admired by the world because they were the small nation of people who stood up to empires and the Nazis in defense of freedom and democratic rights. But suddenly, and dramatically, they were propagandized and viewed as the “new Nazis” and the pariahs of the Western world, just like the Russians today. Lie upon lie paid for by the diaspora. What happened? What is it that caused this turn of events? And why did Yugoslavia as a country fall apart? You need to answer these questions in order to understand your roots and the roots of much of Herzegovina and Dalmatia.
Who supported Croatian independent? All its former fascist allies and who is anti-Russian today all the former countries who were members of the German military attack against Russia other than Hungary which is looking out for its own interest and to some extent sees this war for what it is, just one more crusade against Russia. Your national anthem was written by a Serb, Ban Jelecic was born in Serbia, your best minds were Serbs (Tesla and Boskovic), as are many of your athletes
. Be proud of that, as the Serbs are proud of Andric, Sokolocic, and even Tioto. .
It is amazing to listen to people of different tribes try to find reasoning for this one or the other. Racism has always been at the root of everything, and the Zionist entities have successfully managed to harness you to fight for them. It is done by your “nationalists” evoking memories of times long gone, fully paid off by the powers that be.
Much the same was done to destroy the Muslim countries, and tribal chaos the result. Warlords, Chiefs and politicians put in power to do the bidding of the superior Whites and much the same to the lesser whites in parts of Europe previously. It could be well argued that this was always the plan. Divide and conquer the motto.
Now the White Anglo-Saxons are on top of this hierarchy, with the French and Germans in second place. Then comes the rest of western Europe, with the Eastern Whites assigned as to their racist pedigree.
That means that by history: Poles/ Czechs/Croats/Baltics and all the other collaborators of Nazi Germany are on the third tier.
The Slavs including Russians are the “Snow niggers”, as the shaker accurately described. The central Asia, Muslim but mixed with asian blood are run by oligarchs who are paid by the west. But the question really is: who controls all of you? The Zionists!
Well, you are partially right as the zionists control the Central banks. There are seven countries where they do not control, Russia being one of them. Now you know why the economic war is being waged on Russia. The seven countries that are not controlled by Rothschild Banks;
Abkhazia, Bolivia, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Syria.
Thank you Neven, for demonstrating so eloquently the unrepentant, historical revisionism, that is so rampant in modern Croatia today.
I have no words.
It leaves me speechless too. Only a few years ago they were offering free advice to Ukro nazi regime on “Croatian solution” proudly boasting their success in committing new genocide on Serbian people. It was all, of course, planed and financed and supported directly by the same masters in Vatican and Washington, which they unashamedly serve. They didn’t realise until recently that Russia is a bit stronger than Serbia. Sneaky and duplicitous as they are, they are trying to position themselves on the right side of Russians too. Just in case, you never know. Never mind Croatian fascists in Azovstal, never mind incurable hate of everything Ortodox Christian.
Reply to Neven
– remember some place in Croatia named Jasenovac during 1941-1945 ?
– communists and Ustasha was in close cooperation during WW2 (Hebrang, Simo Krajacic and so on)
– Tito’s communists “free” the Jasenovac camp in last 5 days in WW2 , to help their catholic Croat allies to destroy any evidence of mass murders. Victims are (by numbers) Serbs, Gypsies and the Jews
– bishop Stepinac, who actively supported Ustasha and Pavelic, are now in process of beautification to become “Saint Stepinac”. That is catholic church official standpoint today and they started that “process” in 1970.
So there are very good reason for fear among the Serbs in Croatia , that will all happened again.
And it did.
I am sorry Nevene but you’re being very unjust. Some of the things to keep in mind:
Serbs are accused of ‘ethnic cleansing’ but the only ethnically cleansed state after the breakup of Yugoslavia is Croatia. Did the Serbs ethnic cleanse themselves then?
As an aside, I want to tell you, though it may not be significant, that I work in Australian Health Dept as an Interpreter, and as such I have entered many Serb, Bosnian and Croat households in the Sydney region over thew last 20 years. I hope you agree that the diaspora community, though not entirely representative of the mother country, provides an insight into the deepest folklore of the national psyche. So here it is. 90% of Croatian households have a Greater Croatian map crowned with three heads – Pavelic, Stepinac and Tudjman.
If you’re not aware, the territories claimed via these maps are roughly same as those ruled by the genocidal Pavelic’s Independent State of Croatia (NDH) propped up by the Nazis.
Also, the Serbs still stand accused of ‘nationalism’ led by the forces of “darkness and mindlessness” but it is Croatian houses which will have Croatian flags displayed in the house. (In one case there was a Croatian flag cozy, not for the tea-pot but for the box of tissues… it was lovingly knitted by hand.
Quarter million Serbs driven out of Croatia (Croatia’s own citizens) has been celebrated as a national holiday for couple of decades already.
Americans were on the side of the Croatians in the 90s as they are now on the Ukro-Nazis side.
Thanks for the historical expose from a Serb perspective. I would like to add that Krajina was lost and in many aspects so was Bosnia and Herzegovina. Yes, there were so called “Chechens” in Bosnia and Herzegovina led by the rightfully elected Fikret Abdic who won the majority in the 1980 Bosnian elections. He supported the Bosnian Serbs politically and fought with them. In essence, Bosnia and Herzegovina completed a coup to oust Fikret Abdic and replaced him with Bosnian Muslim extremist Alija Izetbegovic. Sound familiar?
During the civil wars in Yugoslavia, the Russian Parliament and Duma did support the Bosnian Serbs and the late Zhirinovsky was on outspoken critic of NATO. In fact, you would think he was Serb instead of Russian!
Today, Serbia is losing its values and patriotism as clearly evidenced by its political elite. Not one of them are capable to take the reins and free the shackles Serbia is now under.
There is a great Russian film called “Dear Comrades!”
In the film, an old Russian gentleman, who had been through wars,
suffering existential angst and despair,
said to his daughter that he hoped JFK would send a nuclear weapon to
Russia and put them out of their misery.
I’ve felt this way for years about the evil government in Washington DC.
What many don’t understand is those blood-thirsty demons in Washington DC
hate Americans as much as they hate Russians.
Just last year, former CIA director, John Brennan, told MSNBC that they must begin
droning Americans because they are like Al Qaeda.
We suffer from these parasites too. We understand their game now. The internet has helped with our ignorance. We understand that when they can no longer terrorize the world, they will continue to turn inward and terrorize and murder us.
Agree. We all must somehow unite against these deranged neo-cons. Never mind politics and ideology, what we’re up against is a threat to progressives and conservatives, left and right, gay and straight, male and female. If you agree then I might ask: proletarians unite?
Excellent, thank you…
Свака част Вишеслава. Хвала ти на изношењу истине. Само чиста љубав према истини је живот и пут. Велико Хвала
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Any honor of Viselava. Thank you for making the truth. Only pure love for truth is life and way. A big thank you
You need to be careful when talking about the Anglo-Saxon elites. Sure they are evil. However this evil went global a while back. It is important to understand this is a fight between sane, rational nationalists who wish to do unto others that which they would have done unto themselves and the satanic globalists. Let’s not forget Putin also unleashed repressive measures against his own people over the last two years that are as tyrannical as anything here in the West. There is no virus so if I know this so does Putin. There are millions of Anglo-Saxons who recognise the evil actions perpetrated by their elites. It’s not that easy getting rid of them. For sure we will try but ultimately this is a war against humanity. It doesn’t matter if you are Ukrainian, Russia or American. We are all on the same side. It’s up to the masses of people to wake up to this fact otherwise it’s game over for humanity.
It is very difficult to find a Z T shirt. After an extensive search I found where a site where you can order one:
Posts like this highlight the extreme importance of having a solid foundation in historical materialism, and not idealism. The woolly, magical thinking of idealism leads to gibberish conclusions about how warlike Greco-Romans, who are also Anglosaxons (??) have been waging perpetual war on the peaceful Slavs (???) for thousands of years. Escobar’s recent article about how this is all part of some age old fight between different branches of Christianity is another example.
This story has more to it than you may think. Don’t be too quick to dismiss what you don’t understand. Admittedly the author is a bit clumsy and wide-eyed to some degree. This is not same as idealism as a philosophy. As for your tripping stone of a common thread linking Greeks, Anglo-Saxons and many other Europeans – it does exist and it is genetic. Their genetic material only appears in Europe mid 5th millennium BC. The genetics of the Slavs (and Swedes, interestingly) are found in Europe much earlier… hmmmm.
As an anti-NATO (because Salazar, Portugal’s Fascist Dictator was one of its founders in 1949) EUroskeptic portuguese guy, that lost any faith in the West’s “free press” since a few years ago, and spent the last years knowing more about the rest of the world, and being called “left winf extremist” just for condemning the crimes of the West almost alone (maybe only with another 5% to 10% of Left-Wing people in my country), I can say that I loved this text and support its message.
I say: Free Assange! They call me traitor.
I say: Stop Israeli’s Apartheid. They call me anti-semite.
I say: Stop NATO/USA. They call me “putinist”.
I say: stop bombing the Donbass, the Kurds, Yemen, etc. They have no idea what I’m talking about, because they only see the “news” in MSM.
I condemn war. I condemn invasions. I condemn those who reject peace agreements. And I condemn above all those who provoque the war and make it unavoidable.
I will never condemn Russia for defending the Donbass, and for preemtively defending Crimea and itself.
I will always be on the right side of history: the side that fights against Nazi armies.
From Coimbra (Portugal) to Kherson, Zaporoje, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv, and maybe later Odessa and Pridnestrovia: Z.
Best of luck to your heroes on the ground.
Kick Volodolf Zelitler’s ass!!
And kick the dollar’s ass too!
And to the Serbs, I can only say that thanks to some honest Portuguese military (that unfortunately were on the ground back then, but have since talked about the real situation), today I know the truth about that NATO made genocide. It was not in my name!
I support the right of any people to selfdetermination, but not that way!
Bosnians, Croats, Scots, Catalans, Crimeans, Portuguese ex-colonies (Angola, Mozanbique), etc, I support them all. But never the way NATO did it. That was not selfdetermination. It was a crime against humanity. But the “rules based World Order” decided it was a “special military operation with humanitarian motivation”. Again: not in my name.
To the northern europeans I can say this: I have enough land to plant my own food (and my country is an exporter), and high enough temperature to not even need heating system during the winter (or just use the fireplace once or twice). Even so I’m worried about what’s coming. So I ask you: what the actual f*ck do you think you’re doing?
Starving or at least getting poorer in the name of USA’s imperialism and Ukraine’s Banderists? Neo F*CKING Nazis!
Buying more oil from Saudi Arabia in the name of “peace” and ” democracy”? From Saudi F*CKING Arabia!!
Not even Goebbels’ propaganda was as successful brainwashing germanic people.
And let’s not even talk about Cancel Culture/Sports crazy western movement. I’ll say only this: in the near time there will be a Football World Cup in the brutal dictatorship of Qatar, where Saudi Arabia can participate, but Russia can’t. I guess the problem behind this is that the children in Yemen have the wrong color… So it’s ok to bomb them. The bombs made in NATO don’t kill anyone, they’re just “defensive” and they spread “democracy”…
He IS right about the Anglo-Saxons/west being like the Romans. The Romans forced themselves into the regions and people who resisted were attacked until they were defeated or killed off.
The Romans did commit a genocide on the Balkans people when they conquered it. The Balkans peoples, the “Illyrians” and the Celts/Thracians resisted them for hundreds of years. And by the end of these wars, many of these tribes and peoples were no longer mentioned. I mean, what happened to the Thracians who were a very populous people according to the Greeks?
After the defeat of Macedonia in the 3rd and 4th Macedonian Wars, and the ease and speed with which Rome had destroyed the Achaean League, it appeared that the Roman conquest of southeastern Europe was unstoppable. The utter destruction of the city of Corinth in 146 BC, and the mass looting and enslavement which accompanied the establishment of the Roman province of Macedonia, were a clear warning to those who would oppose the empire.
It was therefore logical to expect that the barbarian tribes of the central and northern Balkans would quickly succumb to the Roman military machine, and the ‘Pax Romana’ which accompanied it. In fact, the conquest of Thrace would develop into a brutal and prolonged conflict which was to rage for over 150 years.
There is some seriously good lyrics going on in this piece
“to avoid going mad from all that self-caused human suffering was to exalt itself above and beyond it, turning itself into the superior self-pardoning judge and jury of the entire humanity.”
Reads like Emil Cioran, certainly like littérature immigrée.
Here is Israeli involvement in the Bosnian war
So what? The arms embargo was broken on all sides during the Bosnian war. Israel was not the only country pumping weapons into Bosnia, you can add the US, Turkey and a host of other countries. Not only that, foreign mercenaries were also fighting from various countries.
Call the enemy what it is, EVIL.
I live in the U.K. and people are split into the “busy majority” who “stay in their lane” and look to only mainstream sources to inform them. YOU undoubtedly have a similar majority.
Such people have found a place in life that works for them and if our system was essentaily, GOOD, then they would be very laudable souls indeed.
Sadly they have received societal and psychological programming to believe the the Russians are an aggressive people, who need to be opposed, or at least held in check. They trust our leadership 100%
Wiping them out with your Sarmat missiles would be a terrible EVIL, believe it or not.
Fortunately, I believe that you actually know and feel this at a deep level, being still a fundamentally Christian based society. As evinced by your Mr Putin sending in the troops hand to hand with orders not to kill the civvies.
If the Sarmats do come for me, and my cats, and friends, it is my belief that it won’t be Mr Putin who sends them, it’ll be “Perimtr”.
IT will be a bloody pity. I REALLY want to see us get to the stage where Britain and Russia do “tech” together. It’ll be astoundingly good. And much better than doing tech against each other, which is boring after a few hours of watching it, and makes such an AWFUL MESS. (Who’s going to clean it all up?)
I hope the Russians have allocated some serious financial and material resources for the reconstruction.
Even if you PROVE that we had bioloabs in there designing weapons to just kill Mr Putins family (That’s hyperbole, based on what appears to be coming) you still will have to do some “making good” after this, just to win the hearts and minds bit of the war. Sorry, “S.V.O.”