Intro by the Saker: following my article on the situation in the Ukraine, I got the following email from a reader from Budapest:
“You mention about how the Ukrainian government persecutes Russian speakers. In addition, they are also persecuting Hungarian speakers. They have been banning the Hungarian language, Hungarian flag, etc., and the Hungarian community has been threatened with graffiti about their extermination, typically sprayed on the Hungarian community centers, and the authorities having turned a blind eye towards these threats. BTW, the Hungarian community in the Ukraine is really tiny. Probably only a few 10,000s.”
I replied that I was aware of the situation, but that I did not have any details. And then I invited this reader to send us a short “Ukraine SITREP” as seen from Hungary and he very kindly accepted. I am posting his full SITREP below:
Ukraine SITREP as seen from Hungary
by A Reader from Budapest
1. In early December, Hungarian Foreign Minsiter, Péter Szijjártó has reported to the OECD of certain events which happened to the Hungarian community in the Ukraine. On the 30th of November members of the Ukrainian secret services raided several offices which belong to various institutions of the Hungarian community. The offices were those of the Transcarpathian Hungarian Cultural Alliance, as well as the residence of the head of this organization, of the Transcarpathian Hungarian College, and of an organization responsible for economic policy. The raiders were fully armed, and came unannounced, behaved aggressively, and executed searches. Szijjártó called their actions unacceptable, and complained to the OECD that the Hungarian community lives in fear nowadays in the Ukraine. Szijjártó also called it unacceptable that the Ukrainian authorities forbade OECD observers from meeting with representatives of the Hungarian community, and only allowed them to meet with their own secret service members. This reference a facebook link to a video where Szijjártó is speaking:
2. There were several reports of threatening letters sent to various institutions of the Hungarian community. One in early December, where a letter was sent to the offices of the Transcarpathian Hungarian Cultura Alliance, and the Ukranian-Hungarian Democratic Alliance, in which Hungarians were threatened that they will all be poisoned. In January, before a visit of Hungarian FM Péter Szijjártó, a Ukranian extremist organization, Myrotvorets, placed Hungarian MEP Andrea Bocskor on a “death list”, and have threatened bloodshed if the visit of Szijjártó happens.
Gál Kinga és Deutsch Tamás levele David Sassolinak, az Európai Parlament elnökének az ukrajnai magyarokat ért folyamatos megfélemlítésekről
3. Most recently Ukraine banned the singing of the Hungarian anthem and the use of the Hungarian flag. Before this, during official events, it was customary to sing both the Hungarian and the Ukranian anthem. This is a continuation of laws passed earlier, in 2017, which severely curb the use of the Hungarian language.
Let me add, that before 2014, the Hungarians did not have any problems of this sort in the Ukraine. Hungarian minorities exist in all the countries neighboring Hungary, and nationality issues often come up in Romania or Slovakia, but Ukrainian-Hungarian relations were peaceful before the Maidan coup.
I do not understand that Ukrainian nationalist mind set.
It is simply beyond me.
I know destructivity of our nationalisms in ex Yugoslavia
But nothing can be comparef with this ukrainian madness …so self-destructive
I remember end of nineties, it was 1997 i think my brother spent some time working in Germany
He told me – “I met couple guys from Ukraine, they told me something very interesting. They told me that in Ukraine is in process some radical nationalist movement, some propaganda indoctrination extremely anti-Russian. aimed particularly to young generations. And everything is obviously financed from the West.”
When my brother told.me that I did not take that seriously. Because in ex-Yugoslavia all Soviets we called them RUSSIANS.
Especially Slavic people, we could not imagine that Ukrainians could hate Russians
But I was wrong …
This anti-Russian hatred campaign is not new. Around the year 1985, I was in touch with members of the Ukrainian Research Center at Harvard. They were active rewriting Ukrainian history in an anti-Russian direction and were writing books to instill hatred in children for distribution in the Ukraine. Already at that time, the Judaic-nazi collaboration against Russia and Christian Orthodoxy was in full swing.
In 1991/1992 the Hungarian secret services covertly sent weapons to Croatia, making their contribution to the breakup of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. When it comes to Ukraine, Hungary is eying the western part of the country, the former Galicia. Should Ukraine break up – as it most probably will – then western Ukraine will become an area of contention between Poland, Hungary and Romania. All three will try to grab as much as possible of the former Galicia. The author from Budapest left out the mentioned points.
Its a mystery to me why anyone wants to control territory with an unwilling population when the time money and effort involved would be better spent on their homeland. This is as true of Hungarians wishing to control Galicia as it is of Galicians wishing to control Ruthenia.
Orban is one of the smartest leaders in Europe and a nationalist – why would he take on Galicia with all the nazi nut jobs in place with nothing to do – it is prescription for disaster when Soros can motivate them to destroy Hungary from within at that point
nothing there is worth the risk
Well, land is land. The Nazis in the former Galicia were and are anti-Russian. This does not mean they are anti-Hungarian. During the Second World War, the former Galicia was also strongly anti-Polish. However, this does not prevent the current Polish Government from showing a tremendous political and diplomatic interest in the region. What the Poles have almost publicly said is that Ukraine will break up and that they want a chunk of it. The artificial state of Ukraine is now going to meet it’s fate, and I think that eventually all the historical and political pieces will fall into place. This also applies to the artificial state of Belarus which, too, does not have any reason to exist, as it is a Russian state, even it’s name confirming the fact.
Poles were also eager to grab a piece of Czechoslovakia in 1938 or there-abouts.
Well Galicia was the former Krasnaja Rus (Red rus, or Rus Chervona in Polish), that Poland annexed from Rus in the thirteen century. If instead of allowing all nazis sympathisers to stay there and to unite it with the ukraine (combination of Novorossia and Malarossia + later also Crimea) it would have been much easier to handle, especially after moving there ethnic Russians from other regions of the soviet union….
They could have kept as a separate soviet state or as an additional exclave of the Russian SSR (like Kaliningrad oblast).
That would have avoided many of the problems.
Good point BF on the territorial pretensions.
Probably also means the break-up of Ukraine is nigh…
Hungarian is here. No way. Hungary does not want any land from any country, wouldn’t accept even it was offered. Our policy is supporting our fellow Hungarians in living where they are with full minority rights. No oppression, using their language, keeping the culture. We do not want to modify borders. Don’t want millions of other nations to live in our country, especially against their will. No grab, no war, no evil. That is our neighbours’ policy, thats why they do not understand, that can be people who wants something else. We rather believe in regional coperation and living together. Don’t attack our brothers just becuase of their ethnicity, let them live and we will be fine. With Serbia and Slovakia we finally came to this mutual understanding, cooperation is excellent. Orban and his ilk wants regional Eastern / Middle European cooperation, not letting the usual imperial culprits to play their favourite game divide et impera here. Beside the western trouble makers, we do not forget that also Russia is an imperial invader, but as it looks recently, they learnt a lesson the hard way and at least NOW, their offer for cooperation seems to be fair and accepted by Hungary. There are limits of course, Poland is more important for us then Russia, and that is an irreconciliable triangle.
But under no terms want Hungary open a conflict or get millions of hostile foreign citizens. Nazis do not understnat this though.
Seems many didn’t get the memo…
In Serbia there are Hungarian separatist groups – the main political party representing ethnic Hungarians: Savez Vojvodjanskih Madjara – at one time took an openly separatist position – it calmed its rhetoric because large numbers of ethnic Hungarians have left Serbia & the territory in which they are concentrated in north Backa, around the town of Subotica, is a very small territory, insignificant. But, the Hungarian politicians absolutely demand on the autonomous status of Vojvodina, which has no grounding at all as Vojvodina is more than 75% ethnically Serb populated. The relationship between Hungarians & Serbs in Serbia over the past two decades seems to be in the main positive, but this is largely because on the Serbian side there is very little discussion of the Hungarian annexation of much of Vojvodina during WW2 & the massacres committed by Hungarian SS troops. Relations between the Orban government in Hungary & the Serbian government are very good as well, so this adds to a picture of harmony, but it is highly superficial, under the pleasantries there are hostilities that could quite easily rise to the surface, the Hungarians were very supportive of Croatian secessionism from Yugoslavia in 1991.
Nuland-Kagan’s democracy on the march in Ukraine. Expect interesting results of the zionist/banderite cooperation.
Thank you for the SitRep.
Ukraine is the Cuckoo’s Nest. Sad, pathetic, corrupt, and evil.
They live on hate. They hate all “others”.
At some point, hopefully soon, the Ukraine nation-state will break up. Hungary can claim its piece. Poland will take a piece and Russia will welcome home Novorossiya.
Of course, there will have to be a plan to quell the leftover lunatics and hate-mongers.
The US should have to foot the bill to sequester the nazis. They have paid billions to stimulate the hate and violence and Ukie attempts at ethnic cleansing.
Whatever the immediate future brings or doesn’t, keep the Vineyard informed on the situation between Hungary and Ukraine.
You make good points about the territorial pretensions on Ukraine, Larchmonter.
Novorossiya will no doubt will come home as you say
Not sure it will be a “self-service” between with Poland and Hungary. I imagine EU / NATO will step in and set up a treaty to determine the borders. Anyone on the “wrong” side of the border will get ethnically cleansed. The local minority population should prepare. It could get very ugly.
Re any Hungarian interest in “annexing” part of Ukraine, most readers here have strayed from the real issue: The reader Hunguy describes it well. Hungary is mainly interested in supporting the continuation of Hungarian culture within the outlying Hungarian communities. No more.
One must compare a map of Hungary pre its own annexation by Austria / Pre WW1 and the border today. Hungary lost almost two thirds of its territory, mostly to Romania but also to Croatia, Ukraine etc… When i traveled on business extensively across Hungary from 1990 to 2003, i often saw large maps in offices, showing the “old” Hungary and one was kindly given to me. Later when i toured Croatia and Serbia, this map helped me to understand the links that the outlying Hungarian communities still have, towards Hungary. Yes there are certainly some Nationalists who DID already push for annexation of former Hungarian territory in the Ukraine and i remember Biden as vice-president, telling the Hungarians to back-off in 2014….(so ironic if one follows what happened during the Maidan protests).
There is a sizable community of Hungarian ethnics in Northern Croatia who consider themselves to have a totally different and superior cultural mindset to the average Croat and are firmly oriented towards keeping the Hungarian language alive within their community as they know well they are living on former Hungarian territory. Slavonia is another Hungarian community sitting on former Hungarian territory and considering that it has a greater right to the land than the Serbs or Croats or anyone else. What all these outlying Hungarian communities try to do, is keep their culture alive. What Hungarian Nationalists do within Hungary, is emphasise the need to protect these communities from being “degraded” – it follows clearly that if the level of threat to these outlying Hungarian communities rises, the pushback from within Hungary will also rise. It is then not so much a territorial grab or annexation they seek but a return to the status-quo of old, where Hungarians living on former Hungarian territories can link to Hungary proper again. The areas in question in the Ukraine “claimed” by Hungarian Nationalists do not cover the whole of the former Galician territory. The Czechs have the same issue with their Transcarpathian brothers living in the Ukraine. A re-adjustment of borders then makes perfect sense as it would EXCLUDE the troublesome Polish hotbed part of Galicia…
It also needs to be said that some half a million Central Ukrainians have fled to these Transcarpatian areas to evade the Ukrainian military draft. They have been safe there, up to now. So, any further tensions and provocations flaring up in Kiev, are due entirely to encouragement and the flow of funds from the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada and the USA…and yes you are right, NATO will make sure that Russia is denied its share of former Russian lands…The brainwashing by the West within the Ukraine has been exemplary. i have Ukrainian friends who are irrationally anti-Russian…I say irrational as when i challenge them to define exactly who THEY are, they have to admit that they are indeed ethnic Russians themselves…and they cannot make any coherent argument that justifies their hatred.
Yes thankyou so much for this Sitrep
Confirmation, not that any was needed:
14.12.2020 EPP Group condemns threats against Andrea Bocskor (in English)
To understand this situation it is necessary to know of the Trianon treaty of 1920 in which Hungary lost a huge amount of both territory and population. There are memorials all over Hungary to Trianon as a national tragedy. It is a deep wound still festering.
If you have been lucky enough to know some Hungarians in Transylvania, you know that they still live there as Hungarians, not Romanians, after 100 years.. Hungary lost not so much in terms of population, but the last unspoiled natural jewel in Europe..
With the recent election of a pro-western Romanian as President of Moldova, it is a possibility that Romania will attempt to annex its lost territory of Bessarabia..
Such an uncertain future for Ukraine, Hungary, and the Balkans in general..
The hatred of nations created as a result of nation-building by bigger powers such as the Vatican, Germany, France, Austria, City of London or nowadays the US towards the peoples out of which they were created burns with a special zeal.
Those new nations hate their original selves because those that stayed true to the old ways stand as a silent witness to the wholesale betrayal committed by the converts.
Add to the mix foreign players/sponsors chasing their own interests and you end up with what we have nowadays in the Ukraine, Balkans or Middle East.
Imo, it’s all about Soros. He’s got a bone to pick with Hungary. Note that Soros has been subverting the Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union circa the 90s … he has a long head start.
This archive (written in 1995?) gives you the general picture, in the most cloying and nauseating manner:
Today, assuming he still maintains his interests in controlling the Ukrainian farmlands, a Ukrainian breakup as per Saker forecast would result in a negative impact to his holdings. Of course, that’s ignoring other options he could pursue to ensure his holdings stay more or less intact – regardless of any turmoil.
This SitRep furnishes irrefutable proof of what the Ukros and their Bandernazi asylum ”state” have achieved: Everything boils down to a monstrous, silly joke even of classical fascism (Hitler/Mussolini/Franco), that is when fascism at least had something to show for it such as nearly full employment, industrial prowess, social safety nets, and rejection of social decadence. On this basis, Ukros don’t even convince as fascists. They’re just a bunch of intellectually challenged hoodlums, seeking vengeance for their plain ugliness and worthlessness.
”Most recently Ukraine banned the singing of the Hungarian anthem and the use of the Hungarian flag. Before this, during official events, it was customary to sing both the Hungarian and the Ukranian anthem.”
Soon, all Ukro patriots will be singing their new national anthem in unison — imagine the goosebumps!
You are describing the results of decades of brainwashing by agents of the Five Eyes. The brainwashing was started out at the peak of West’s soft power (60’s and 70’s), through news media, cultural events and products such as movies and music, religious organizations such as churches and missions, NGOs such as Peace Corp, and quislings in target government organizations, etc., etc. It has been well funded, persistent, and wicked. These agents plant seeds of hate, techniques and means of destruction, and illusions of safe havens in the west when the job is done, especially in young minds. Don’t you see that Chinese in Taiwan and Hong Kong hating China, Hindus hating Muslim Indians/Pakistani, Croats/Slovenians hating Serbs, Pols/Baltics hating Russian, so on and so forth?
This reality shows the true nature of certain nations on this globe. These people are really evil. Their goal is to kill off whoever they consider as their enemy, and to do so by all means, the preferred one being using their enemies’ own people against themselves. This is possible when they are being viewed as exalted in the minds of their target, and they are rich enough to finance the effort. When not enough suckers fall for their tricks, they would resort to driving their own underclass masses to invade, kill, and demolish as necessary to accomplish their goals. These people have committed unspeakable crimes in history since their rise to prominence.
But there is a change in reality on the cusp. These evil people are losing their mojo. They are no longer superior in mind or in their pockets. They are grasping straws now hoping their remnant reputation can still give impetus to their campaign of world dominance. We shall see how far they can go on this last putsch, but my bet is on their falling flat on their face and biting dust.
They’ll be called upon to account for the deaths they brought and the Summer Palaces they have burnt.
Interesting. The Globalist Cabal supports the LGBTQ/Trans madness the BLM and Antifa in America while supporting right wing movements in Latin America, real ethno-fascism in Ukraine and Salafi-Fascism in Syria. It seems like it truly is “The Empire of Chaos”. It has a different face for every different land but it always leaves social, cultural and yes physical destruction in it’s wake.
The West is Satanic anti-humanism, if it’s any group that destroys nationhood, family and solidarity, you better believe the Luciferian liberal West will support regardless of whatever mask their sub-human goons wear.
Many Hungarians still dream of Austria-Hungary, and/or big Hungary (Nagy-Magyarország), when they enjoyed abusing the then minorities. Still to the day revanchard provocations to the current majorities are customary, and Trianon considered their “black day”, and comemmorated as such.
No way, we do want back Austrian yoke. Thats an Austrian fantasy that Hungarian people have so sweet memories of that time. We hate pretty much Austrian imperialism, exploition of our land, killing our people when revolted against them, also Russians started their imperialist attack against our country by helping out the losing Habsburgs militarily. Nothing is forgotten ossie.