Combat SITREP by Juan
1. Nats Army offer of civilian evacuation corridors rejected. Corridors led only west in to national guard/right sector unit areas and demanded self defense units disarm and surrender.
2. Continuing heavy bombardment of Slavyansk and outlying areas. Confirmed 4 children under age 10 killed last 3 days. Living areas and industry areas targeted including 15.2 cm howitzers and Grad.
3. краснолиманскому area confirmed 2 Grad units destroyed with crews and support vehicles 09 June 03:00 attack of Novorossiya Army units.
4. Nats suffer heavy losses last 4 days. Nats removing destroyed vehicles and armor when possible. Reason unknown. Ural tank transporters used for removal. One photo destroyed/burned T64 turret in transporter. T64 hull not seen.
5. Strong explosion and short fire area Karachun Mountains 03:15 11 June.
6. Unconfirmed reports of large number bodies found in deep lake краснолиманскому area, bodies weighted.
7. Large amount ammunition found on two abandoned Kamaz transports Lugansk area. Numbers of Kamaz Nats army.
8. Unconfirmed reports 10 June large number national guard/right sector troops surrounded Lugansk aerodrome.
9. 07:12 11 June heavy fighting area краснолиманскому.
10. Additional unverified but deemed reliable reports of replacement aircraft and crew sent to Nats Army from Poland and FRG.
11. Refugees continue to arrive Rostov Oblast and Autonomous Republic of Krimea. One group 4 families detained arrival by van. Suspicions of 22 year old husbands with 8 year old children and all documents Ukraine new. Children being cared for.
12. Scattered engagements areas Slavyansk and Kramatorsk growing in intensity 06:15 11 June.
13. Report of secretary general of OSCE to visit Rostov na Donu to interview refugees. Suggestion a visit to Slavyansk and краснолиманскому.
SITREP by The Saker
There are lots of Ukraine connected news today. First, we got the confirmation that Poroshenko is a US agent. Then we have the very infulential Sergei Glazyev who is now calling for the imposition of a no-fly zone over Novorossia. And finally we have an interesting theory about the role Slavainsk is playing in the current war: according to the Russian blogger Yurasumy, Slaviansk today has the same role as Stalingrad in WWII: to tie down a large enemy force and to keep the battle going there while the “flanks” are being prepared for a counter-offensive. In this context, I have to notice that the Russian newspaper Segodnia is reporting that he Ukie HQ was moved back from Izium to Chuguev near Kharkov precisely to avoid being trapped in an encirclement. Combine that with the news that at least two Ukie MRLS have been destroyed and that at least 3 Ukie tanks have been rendered inoperable and you start getting an interesting picture: things are starting to look worse and worse for the junta in Kiev.
In contrast, though the situation is still murky, there are more and more reports indicated that the critical manpower issue has dramatically improved. Only yesterday evening a Vostok battalion officer was asked by Russian reporters how many men the NDF had to which he replied “enough”. As for weapons, Juan and others are reporting that the number of “abandoned” weapons “found” in various locations is increasing and that now these weapons include more modern and more recent systems, including armor and artillery. True, the defenders of Novorossia still lack any kind of air capability, but their air defense seems to have taken a very heavy toll on the Junta forces. I have personally seen recent footage of advanced NDF air defense radars (with crews) combined with underground command posts. I think that something might slowly changing in the combat dynamic.
One possible explanation for what has happened is that by openly stating that Russia will not intervene Putin has forced the people of Novorossia to realize that they will need to stand their ground on their own. The numbers are still not what they should be, but their increase has been significant to allow the Novorossians to go on the offensive in locations where this would have been absolutely impossible just a few weeks ago.
The key event I will be looking for in the next couple of weeks are diversionary attacks in junta death squads outside the cities were the battles are taking place now. Fighting the Ukies in Slaviansk and Kramatorsk is the right first step, but the entire Donbass has now to turn into a no-go zone for the Kiev junta. Supply convoys, ammo dumbs, airfields, roads, bridges, train tracks, water pumping stations, and basically everything except field hospitals should now be attacked. Notice I did not say “destroyed” or “captured” – only *attacked*. The key goal here is to create chaos and demoralize the junta units and not to achieve a “victory”.
In conclusion I would like to recommend a blog: No Bread and Circuses for You which has a lot of good materials in English about the war in Ukraine. Also, Club Orlov has posted a recent interview of Dmitri Orlov which I found interesting (see here).
This bit here: “Large amount ammunition found on two abandoned Kamaz transports Lugansk area.” reminds me of a tactic used by Assad against the foreign terrorists in Syria: the SAA would leave behind ammo that was sabotaged so that when it was actuated inside of a weapon, it would simply explode and render the weapon inoperable. Something for the Novorossiyan army to keep in mind should they start discovering dumps of Ukie ammunition, seemingly for the taking.
Saker, would love to hear your thoughts on how the developing collapse of the Iraqi USA-puppet govt may impact the conflict in eastern Ukraine. Thx
@Old Ez:“ammunition found”
That expression is a euphemism for “recently acquired” ;-)
No worries here, friend, the gear is in tip-top shape.
Where are the Ukrainian people?
The average man or woman?
The Ukraine has been selected by the New World Order to be the next Iraq.
Don’t they care?
Don’t they want to start pushing back?
In the Europe elections, and with the defeat of the New World Order functionary Eric Cantor last night in Virginia, people are fighting back.
The Ukrainian people are salivating over the Infinite Check Book of the West that they wager they will receive in exchange for obedience.
Ask Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria how that is working out.
What’s going on with Slavyansk mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev? There are reports that he was fired/detained by Strelkov? Is this true? If yes, what are the reasons for this?
I’m also shocked by what’s going on in Iraq. I don’t think Iraq can defeat the islamofascists on its own. Is there a chance that Iran (or who else?) will intervene? What can Iraq do?
Americans: let’s start a new political party: the Peace Party. For the youth of America. For Occupy, for social justice, for the Tea Party, for self-defense. For black people, for Latinos. Against the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. Against foreign wars, drone killing, mass surveillance, torture and militarized police. Against corporate power and environmental destruction. For all the people of the world. A new global movement. Let’s join together with our brothers and sisters across the planet using the free internet and create a new future. A future in which each individual, family and community can work together for peace and freedom. Let’s start the Peace Party.
If we don’t choose peace now, we are chosing war – and that war is coming home from Donetsk and Mosul to the streets of America.
“Unconfirmed reports 10 June large number national guard/right sector troops surrounded Lugansk aerodrome.”
surrounded *at* Lugansk airport. The Lugansk militia declared their own no-fly zone in that area. They have also cut off water and electricity to the airport. And the only way out of it is through minefields. Reports of 2000 people there cannot be correct as it is a small airport and they wouldn’t fit, but it is still a significant number.
Under the chargeof Alexander Khodakovsky the Vostok Battalion achievements have been primerily to get themselves killed. There is strong suspicion that Khodakovsky is a traitor working for the oligarch Akhmetov.
Blogger Yurasumy is Ukranian from the city of Sumy, not Russian.
“The key goal here is to create chaos and demoralize the junta units and not to achieve a “victory”.”
Ah, I see you agree with my analysis: under no circumstances should the East win. In fact, it must appear to be losing at all times. And, of course, the captive Ukrainian and Western press are doing a superb job of creating this mis-impression.
Ideally, a state of continual conflict should be sustained basically forever, meaning that the East should keep the neo-Nazi scum in the East for enternity, until their leaders cave and start conversing with Russia politely.
I play very little chess, and I’m learning exactly how bad I am from a man who is clearly a great master, Vladimir Vladimirovitch.
Iraq is the model of Sunni versus Shia. Iran versus SA and Qatar. The dream of Caliphate is closer each day in Iraq and North Africa.
Putin has aligned with Iran and Syria in order to support stability. But if war is expanding, Russia also gets to sell more military equipment.
The march of AQ and its affiliates is the march of the Saudi-Qatar-Muslim Brotherhood band of the CIA. The schizoid CIA has always had two factions.
This used to be the Rockefeller brothers struggle. David was with SA and Nelson was with Israel.
Now the dilemma is for Israel and Russia to somehow work in concert to control Iran and Syria and use them to fight SA, Qatar, AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood in proxy war.
The US and EU are benefactors in this chaos. War ties down Russia’s economic development and immobilizes the Middle East players while driving armaments and oil prices up in support of Western economies. Imagine the tens of billions it will cost to retake Mosul.
Iraq under ISIS now threatens Turkey and the Syrian-Iran nations.
It also deprives China of Iraq oil. Another win for the West. In fact, every recent explosion of violence and combat has been in an area of China oil investment and sourcing. Libya, Iraq, South Sudan and Ukraine (development deals).
Chaos has always been a winner for Wall Street and the U.S. government.
Having hell erupt distracts the American voter from its own discontent and impoverishment.
While Ukraine will eventually calm down, the Middle East will stay aflame for decades more.
The economics forecaster Mark Mobius had this to say about Putin in 2009: http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/6/11_One_Of_The_Legends_Speaks_Out_About_Vladimir_Putin_%26_China.html
Mark Mobius was asked: “Who has impressed you the most this year?”
Mobius: “I don’t know whether I should say this, but maybe Mr. Putin.”….
Interviewer: “Why is that?”
Mobius: “Because he has shown a great deal of control and restraint by being very logical in his decisions.”
The wikileaks link reads “Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko…” This should be translated for clarity as “Our Ukraine Party (OUP) insider Petro Poroshenko…” so that it can’t be misread as “our Ukraine insider Petro Poroshenko…” ignoring the otherwise inexplicable abbreviation (OU) in parentheses.
Poroshenko is no good but this isn’t a smoking gun for this particular charge.
On Iraq, my comment this morning
Roadmap to WWIII – or how to avoid one.
The United Stated and her European minions will now be asked the question:
1) Whose side are you on? Are you with the Islamic State in Iraq and the Leviant, formerly known as Al-Qaida in Iraq or against them?
2) If you are against ISIS, what are you going to do about it?
If the US cannot produce a unequivocal, satisfactory and comprehensive answer, then it will be for Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and BRICS to secure world peace and stability.
As a first step Russia will have to – in cooperation with CIS, SCO & CSTO – liberate Novorossiya, secure Kiev and pacify Galicia.
All fronts of this global campaign of destabilization are now interconnected, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Ukraine. Syria and Hezbollah will have to send military advisers to the Donbass front.
On Facebook this was linked to this story on the New York Times – if anyone is interested.
Sunni Militants Drive Iraqi Army Out of Mosul
Something similar to Juan’s comments re. removal of damaged / destroyed first line material
I have seen this yesterday from the blog or a Greek aviation magazine.
According to the blog, this is a Mil-24VP helicopter that crashed landed during operations in Novorossia.
Note at the nasty hole on the helicopter’s tail (probably damaged the transmission) at time index 00:14 of the embedded video.
“I think that something might slowly changing in the combat dynamic.
“One possible explanation for what has happened is that by openly stating that Russia will not intervene Putin has forced the people of Novorossia to realize that they will need to stand their ground on their own.”
I think you’re starting to see what I meant the other day, after you denounced Poro-choco’s inauguration speech in a fit of anger, and called for a Russian invasion. I was trying to point out that a low-grade insurgency in this case, if executed properly, could be very effective. It would be a low-cost, low-risk way for Russia to gradually wear down Kiev–and her fickle, self-serving ‘allies’ in the West.
It does indeed require some sacrifice and initiative on the part of the people of the Donbass. But their ancestors faced much tougher odds than these in the ‘Great Patriotic War’ and still prevailed. If the people of the Donbass truly want a brighter future for themselves and their descendents, they’re going to have to fight for it. Moscow will help, but Novorossiya is going to have to do their bit.
On a more humorous note: get your Putin t-shirts while they’re hot!
By the way, Saker, I read a rumor somewhere (I forget if it was here or over at MoA) that some people out near Lvov were somehow blocking roads into their town to prevent the junta from conscripting their sons into the army. Any substance to this? It sounds a bit fantastic. Is their any one around here who keeps tabs on Western Ukraine?
Wednesday, June 11 19:18 GMT: The Ukrainian army should close off the country’s border with Russia and “fire from tanks and APCs at anyone attempting to cross the border,” the Ukrainian interior minister’s advisor, Anton Gerashchenko, told local Channel 5. A state of martial law should also be imposed in eastern Ukrainian regions, the official believes. According to Gerashchenko, this would “physically prevent” male adults from Russia – who are said to be volunteering to fight against the Kiev forces – from crossing the border and joining with Donetsk and Lugansk self-defense troops.
Slaviansk today has the same role as Stalingrad in WWII: to tie down a large enemy force and to keep the battle going there while the “flanks” are being prepared for a counter-offensive
Not just the flanks, but the entire rear. While Ukraine is busy with Slaviansk, Lugansk and Donetsk has been conducting clearing operations in the rear, securing the Russian border and clearing up lingering outposts of Ukrainian Army and expanding the flanking lines north and south. Slaviansk is acting as the focal point of all Ukrainian efforts to the detriment (for them) of any attempt to move on eastwards.
There was an Austrian saying about Tyrol, that is was “Herz und Schild das Reich” – “Heart and Shield of the Empire”. The same could be said of Slaviansk – “Heart and Shield of Donbas”
So what you’re saying is we’re behind ISIS? That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out, bc it sure wouldn’t seem like Big Oil’s first choice. Or is it our usual incompetence? Neither would surprise me.
But your roadmap — Petri, which do you think would end up worse, the slow/nasty destabilization we do so well, or all-out war-war? In retrospect, haven’t we been in WWIII at least since the end of the Cold War? Or maybe that was just Cold War II?
In any case, war is all America knows, all America has ever known.
Uh..the Our Ukrinaine refers to a political party…not the literal meaning… as in the Collins article in inaccurate. Yes it appears Poroshenko had inside line with US State Sept…
Saker, Our Ukraine insider means in that context “member of the political party Our Ukraine” not “our Ukrainian insider”.
Thanks for making the Dmitri Orlov interview available to us. I do go on his site occasionally and I very much enjoyed his fascinating book “Reinventing Collapse”. Orlov is one super smart and lucid fellow of Russian Jewish ancestry, with all his priorities in the right places. Which brings us back to the topic of one of your more recent pieces by a fellow name Israel Shamir on the role of Jews in the Ukrainian crisis. Well, I have no idea What to conclude from that rather rambling and disjointed piece, other than there are Jews on the side of the Junta and that there are Jews on the side of Novorossiya, and that Israel is trying as best it can to maintain some neutrality in the matter. And so what is new or remarkable here? Jews are not a monolithic mass anymore than the French are, or the Poles and the Lithuanians, etc etc. What Is rather remarkable about the situation in Ukraine is the sight of Jewish oligarchs directly financing overtly Nazi groups such as Pravyi Sektor, perhaps naively thinking that they will be able to rein in and muzzle these scary folks afterwards. Somehow I doubt that the current honeymoon between these naturally antagonistic elements will prove durable. One or the other party to this deal, and possibly both, will suffer grievously for having made that bargain with the devil.
Introducing the eternal “Jewish Question” in the current debate on the Ukrainian Crisis does little to elucidate the picture and tends to do just the opposite, that is to further muddy what is already a complex situation, with many different aspects such as the supply of energy to Europe, old historical grievances, and most of all current geopolitical rivalries. Even Romania and Hungary are now making claims to parts of Ukrainian territory, and it would not be surprising if Poland and Lithuania joined in the feeding frenzy. Poroshenko is not only a chocolate king, he is a king made of very soft chocolate indeed,
If you issued ultimatum to Lugansk airport where there are 2000 NatGuard troops with heavy weapons you decidedly would have to have far more greater forces to execute the ultimatum.
If you read carefully both SITREPs you’d know that Russian troops are operating in Novorossia. Covert or overt units, it does not matter. They already are there!
The Voice of Russia says that volunteers of the Italian Association “Millennium” will be made available to fight the Nazis
Thank youvery much G and M.
So what you’re saying is we’re behind ISIS? That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out, bc it sure wouldn’t seem like Big Oil’s first choice. Or is it our usual incompetence?
Yes, we (US FedGov/CIA) are behind ISIS. We are behind Al Qaeda too. We purposefully funneled most of the arms and money in Afghanistan to the most extremist Islamic elements throughout the 1980’s.
ISIS is our way of redrawing borders in Iraq and Syria (and eventually Iran) without having to upset the applecart.
And its not incompetence. Secretary of Defense James Forrestal said something very interesting about this type of behavior to Senator McCarthy in 1946:
“Before meeting Jim Forrestal I thought we were losing to international Communism because of incompetence and stupidity on the part of our planners. I mentioned that to Forrestal. I shall forever remember his answer. He said, ‘McCarthy, consistency has never been a mark of stupidity. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.'”
This still applies.
Ukranian army using white posphorous http://lifenews.ru/news/134892
Perhaps you can be the world peace party initiator. If not you, who, if not now, when? Pray about it!
Looking at this whole situation going on WORLDWIDE, in all these countries aren’t the populations disarmed? All the Ukrainian people not having weapons could be the cause of your question “Where are the Ukrainian people?” If they have none, what are they to fight back with?
With all the talk here in the us about gun control, looking at Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, then Obama yesterday saying he really likes what Australia did makes me just want to scream! As I’m sure every Ukrainian, Syrian, Iraqi is doing now!
Hmmm, just thinking…
If Slavyansk is a shield for the Junta to pound on while other ventures are planned and delivered, then Lugansk should stop asking other states to recognize its’ borders. Once they are recognized it will be difficult to move out past them and Lugansk then becomes the limiting factor in the size and viability of Novorussia. Even if the battle moves out past the previous provincial borders, recognition of Lugansk’s borders means the extra area will need to be given up in any peace deal.
Better to leave old names and borders out of it and instead aim for the area which would be critical for the viability of Novorussia.
Back to you Saker, any comments on what areas would be critical for a viable Novorussian state?
That was my first thought — but what do our Oilogarchs think about that? They’re doing so well there now. Or is Turkey maybe worried about the Kurds and we need Turkey to take over Syria and I guess go after Iran?
I think Obama “killing” Bin Laden was truly slick though — he out psychopathed Cheney who somehow managed not to “get him” at Tora Bora. Of course, the guy was a CIA asset and already dead of kidney disease…
We just reek of blood and guts. I hope Novorossiya succeeds but I’m starting to feel frightened for them again.
White phosphorous dropped on Slovyiansk, filmed by resistance:
I stand by what I said to Nora and others here. The New World Order really is using Eastern Ukraine as a kind of proving ground for what they intend to do someday in ‘bitterclingerstan’ aka Flyover Country, USA. I haven’t seen ‘willie peter’ dropped except in Vietnam War footage.
No wonder Western MSM went almost dead silent about Slovyiansk besides the most empty and generic phrases about ‘shelling rebel positions’ and ‘fighting’ in Slovyiansk. This is democide, if not genocide, the deliberate ethnic cleansing of a population with the aim of ultimately replacing that population with a people more compliant to till the land and frack the shale gas. They really think the only solution to the problem of pro-Russians sabotaging shale gas drilling in Eastern Ukraine for years to come is a ‘final solution’. The rebel Operation Bagration 70th anniversary offensive with everything Putin can provide across the border cannot come fast enough, especially now with a handful of units in open mutiny for being unfed, unpaid and not even officially existing!
Just a few random thoughts here. It seems that Putin has realized that he has to draw some lines of his own and it starts at the Ukraine. This is not the last of it, not by a long shot. The West has been also looking at other regions such as Siberia (http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/28-12-2011/120104-siberia_russia_usa-0/). You can see the thinking here. Formenting a revolution there would cut Russia of direct communications with China, cripple Russia by denying it all the reserves need to bootstarp it into a modern economy, deny Russia’s claims to off-shore reserves in the Artic with the loss of so much coastline and militarily you wonder if ‘strategic’ missiles would be placed there to threaten both Moscow and Beijing under the guise of missile defence against, say, Uruguayan nuclear-tipped missiles.
The West’s use of the Junta is failing on all fronts though. The icing on the cake of taking over the Ukraine would have been Crimea with the benefits of kicking out the Russian Fleet and crippling it’s operations in the Mediterranean and Syria, turning Sevastopol into a NATO base for an American squadron, with the added bonus of all the off-shore oil and gas reserves being bought on the cheap by the West. We all know how that turned out.
If the Junta loses the east too, they can kiss the shale natural gas in that region goodbye as well, made worse by the fact that the IMF loans are conditional that the Junta must keep the east. It is not that the Ukrainian army isn’t up to the job so much as it seems that the Ukrainian soldiers see no urgent desire to die for the likes of Arseniy Yatsenyuk or Petro Poroshenko. Things are so desperate that the Juta is now sending any warm body that they can grab hold of to be sent east. Here is a thought. What if those Ukrainians soldiers do not want to give up their arms when they eventually come back to Kiev and the West? Who will take those arms away from them?
Slaviansk may be surrounded which is bad but that also means that the rebels are operating on interior lines while the Ukrainians are extended in a wide circle around them. That can mean that the Ukrainians may be vulnerable to attack themselves from external formations. The Ukrainian HQ has already been moved so perhaps they had the same thought while leaving just the ‘grunts’ behind to deal with any attacks. In my book that makes them gutless and detached but who am I to say.
NATO will be exercises in the Ukraine soon so perhaps they will train the Ukrainians on how to take the Donbass but which Ukrainians will take part that can be spared? The Army? The National Guard/Right Sector? Will Russia hold their own exercises on the other side of the border at the same time as they are doing with the NATO exercises in the Baltic?
“Or is Turkey maybe worried about the Kurds and we need Turkey to take over Syria and I guess go after Iran?” As soon as I’d heard ISIS had taken 80 Turks hostage and was threatening to shoot them or behead them unless Turkey paid ransom to Mosul’s latest conquerors, I figured the NWO was setting the Turks up to intervene. Based on the leaked recording discussed here by Azeri-American., former interpreter and intel community whistleblower Sibel Edmonds:
the senior echelons of the Turkish military and intelligence services have been looking for a pretext to invade for some time. Except of course it was Syria they were looking to move into in this recording, not Iraq, though the Turkish siloviki in this ‘tape’ were also casually discussing how easy it would be to intervene in Iraqi Kurdistan too. Regardless the Iraqi Army is melting before our eyes, much faster than the ARVN did under heavy assault in 1975, and I doubt even U.S. airpower could stop ISIS if they wanted to from threatening Baghdad itself. Perhaps ISIS might get stopped on the outskirts with enough carpet bombing. At this point too I can’t decide if ISIS (note the NWO rubbing the occult reference to the Egyptian goddess of the dead in our faces) is a Frankenstein monster created to destroy Assad now turning against its masters, or if it is still playing ball with the globalists, or both. I can note that John R. NSA Shill dler of the U.S. Naval War College has revived the old ‘Ayman Al-Zawahiri was a KGB/SVR/FSB asset’ canard, just in time perhaps to deflect attention from some embarrassing revelations about ISIS’ benefiting from the massive CIA arms traffic to ISIS to overthrow Assad before it was even called ISIS! The real scandal of course about Benghazi is not that four Americans were ‘left to die’, though they were clearly and carelessly exposed by an amateurish or arrogant CIA and White House. It’s that Amb. Stevens and those Americans died because the CIA was running a massive weapons trafficking operation out of Benghazi and other warehouses in Eastern Libya, including the worst sort of jihadist fighters Dubya 43 had explicitly asked Gaddafi to lock up as Al-Qaeda after 9/11!
Schindler is of course, not nearly as high on the totem pole as he thinks he is — he’s only marginally above in the shill rankings over the ‘Khodorkovsky’ (actually CIA front/Qatar Sheikh Al-Thani funded) Interpreter Mag shop out of New York City. Schindler’s NSA career profile that’s publically available screams ‘did not play well with others/primadonna’ and it looks like No Such Agency busted him down to Lt. JG USN Reserve and stashed him as an in house historian at Ft. Meade where he wouldn’t get in the way of the real overseas operations or see the domestic spying either.
But isn’t it interesting how suddenly Schindler is trumpeting (because he knows Daily Beast, Business Insider and other MSM all have reporters told to quote him or hang on his every word) the old ‘Al-KGB-aeda’ story first spewed by Feltshinsky, Berezovsky’s murdered henchman Litvinenko, and the IC worshipping J.R. Nyquist?
Turkey is controled by Donmehs. See Shabbatai Tzvi; Jacob Frank – Thessaloniki, Smyrna. Search: Deutsch Devils. Actualy Donmehs organized Armenian Genocide. Donmeh Rudolf von Sebbotendorf set fire on Reichstag as Sefik Husnu. Paradox is that Jacob Frank was from Ukraine as his nephew Moses Dobrushka who as iacobin Iunius Frei was guilotined with Dante.
Yup. But they’ll do a false flag first, and you Patriots will more than likely fall for it; then they’ll use drones and only if people really do fight back (and I still think we’ll be too busy fighting amongst ourselves, dammit) will they bother with anything else. And I don’t really think they’ll need to frankly, the American public is so passive, and so outrageously overweight, I just can’t see there being much resistance.
But then, “the government” bothers me much less than the various players jockeying for power inside and all around it: banksters, oligarchs, Neocons, Neoliberals, spooks, the new-and-improved HS-MIC now with greater military contractors, Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Oil, whoever else is lobbying for whatever, etc. I’d like to neuter them all, at least figuratively-speaking.
ehm.. has anyone checked the cable at wikileaks directly?? as far as i understand the the ou is a Roman Zvarych and not Poroshenko. so the article on the linked site is a stupid fake…
The Iraqi population was *anything* but disarmed! Omigosh, emphatically no!! They were loaded with weapons. I can’t speak to Syria but most populations don’t have military-grade weapons. Or well-enough-trained civilians to just jump in and start fighting.
And I personally rather like things that way — I don’t at all want to live in as militaristic a society as we do right now. We weren’t always like this, at least on the home front (at least if your skin happened to be fairly light).
“Yup. But they’ll do a false flag first, and you Patriots will more than likely fall for it;” For what it’s worth, I agree most of the people who watch Fox News will believe whatever they and Rush or Mark Levin say. Of course I’m not saying these guys are evil or that they don’t appeal to a genuine yearning for Constitutional restoration, only that they refuse to give people the bigger picture (infamous El Rushbo quote ‘the military industrial complex keeps me free’ — but free from whom El Rushbo? The scary bearded men from the caves who are overrunning Iraq after the MIC gave them all sorts of wonderful toys to topple Assad?).
Seems to me Nora what’s happening with the latest Benghazi leaks — which very well could be true for all I know about the Libya takfiris yakking on captured State Dept. phones — is simply more misdirection. After all, we wouldn’t want Rand Paul or anybody in the House but Walter Jones maybe asking where ISIS got all that advanced hardware sufficient to terrify the Iraqi Army with, can we? Better to distract, deflect and make it all about the latest puppet.
Nora, I’m not referring to the Islamic militants extremists. Who, as the population I’m actually refereeing to would be the people. I will never believe that the entire population of Iraq is in fact Islamic militant extremist. Without the arms to protect oneself, family, community, how could the innocent ever began to put up any resistance what so ever against these lunatics? The Ukraine people without the help of Russia and weapons acquired they would be doomed.
Kremlin represent art of diplomacy and political skills. Anglozionists see diplomacy, negotiation and compromis as sign of weakness.
I ‘ve heard there was ‘Plan A’= NATO in Crimea, and now there is ‘Plan B’. Plan B does not exist. What I see is chaotic improvizations a la fox in chikin house.
The way as they run Ukraine for 22 years oligarchs set up cross on it’s grave. I would never believe that it is possible to put together so many suicidal idiots in one place= Ukraine.
Novorossiya is definitively lost for Kiev.
Kremlin serve full menu @ this party. Classic school of filosophy and martial art. Kremlin slowly move toward main goal= isolate 5 eyes from Europe. Kremlin do not give them piece a scat oportunity to fight back. Kremlin dominate chessboard that oponents have no 1 single square to move. Kremlin created nightmare with its army on UA border…when 5 eyes mobilized Kremlin moved them behind Ural. No showtime tonight. Cirque is closed. Gas…still flow and Ukraine still not pay. Instead of shut off valve Kremlin offers UA discount. Kremlin said will not apply import taxes as UA sign EU association agreement. All moves on chessboard by Kremlin are unreadable by wooden brain of 5 eyes.
In this battle wooden brain of 5 eyes was hit by giant loses. 1, they lost Russia. 2, they lost domestic audience= EU elections result 3, the splitter is set inside 5 eyes allies= France will deliver kayaks; South stream goes on. 4; Crimea is under Kremlin control so build new base=$$.
USA economy stands on consumer spending combined with cheap energy. American oligarchy get itself into trap- they can not exist without outside world. Without shot being fired this house of cards is falling due combine: debt, low income, high unemplyment and aging population.
Kremlin say: Let them go down freefall ’cause we do not want to be blamed for their bids on wrong cards.
To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
When one treats people with benevolence, justice, and righteoousness, and reposes confidence in them, the army will be united in mind and all will be happy to serve their leaders’.
When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
After looking at several videos of the predawn bombardment of Semenovka I have no doubts that white phosphorus incendiary artillery shells were used.
Mark my words. Next will be chemical weapons used against DNR units and civilians.
It would be nice to have a SITREP on the status of important infrastructure throughout the Donbass. For a long time, basic things seemed to be under the control of Kiev.
Another question is where can the Kiev forces easily drive to? Has a safe rear line been created, more or less?
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Seamus Padraig 11 June, 2014 19:41
about the blockage of roads in Lvov to stop conscription –
You probably got that from my posting here. I heard it on rt.com, Crosstalk program – from one of the guests That was a few days ago, and Saker reposted that program on this blog, I seem to remember – and that was the only mention of such an incident that I have heard or read.
rt.com had a story today about entire army units heading back home because they were not paid, lacked food, had no ammunition, and had to sleep on the ground – no tents. The parents of these soldiers have to be quite disgusted too.
Whatever happened to Stepan Bandera.
No, I wasn’t talking about the militants either! Actually, there weren’t very many of them anyhow before we invaded. But Iraqi culture was very well-armed — wedding celebrations, for example, were always celebrated by major, major gunfire into the skies and our troops didn’t know that at first (oops). I just don’t know what kind of weapons they had — some kind of Kalishnikovs probably, huh?
The thing is, Lucky, unless you’re well taught-and-trained, and keep up your practice, having a gun against, really, much of any of the stuff we’re capable of, is no different than not having one at all. And given yesterday, looks like your reward for doing a decent job of self-defense will be… white phosphorus. So *real* military training, yeah, as long as each guy in a unit recognizes *he’s* not the leader (amirite, American Kulak?), but you and me, eh, I might be able to get a shot in first but so what, I’d end up just as dead, with no time to rejoice about my wonderful act of self-defense.
Bottom line, I think we glory that stuff too much and need to be practical About. Preventing. It.
The more we talk, the more we seem to agree on stuff. Absolutely, on Benghazi (though I’ll admit at first I did think it was a Republican September Surprise just for Romney. And unfortunately nobody really listens to Walter Jones…
But ISIS are our guys, right? I’m *still* trying to figure this out bc if I were an oil exec, I wouldn’t exactly be thrilled right about now.
Bottom line, I think we glory that stuff too much and need to be practical About. Preventing. It.
I do wish we could all prevent it. Although I just don’t see how. When your up against those who hate peace what other option do we have? I do not want to live in a world with militants everywhere either. What do we do when all the war equipment used in the afghan war is being sold extremely cheap to our local police forces? Looks like a police state more and more everyday. I don’t have any answers except pray, all I do know is people need to have the option to resist the enslavement going on globally. I think about what if it comes here, will I resist and possible die in the process or bow down and be their slave… There has to be a fight against this worldwide enslavement, otherwise, will we not all be slaves to those who want world dominance???
Can you please explain what white phosphorus does to the people? Do you know anything about the concentration camps, re-education camps people are talking about? Is it just rumor are is that actually happening? Thanks!
“And given yesterday, looks like your reward for doing a decent job of self-defense will be… white phosphorus.”
Yes Nora, and if pilots won’t drop that stuff on fellow Americans, drones will. But even the drones will still need to be maintained by robots which will need human-run and secured repair yards. So there’s that.
“So *real* military training, yeah, as long as each guy in a unit recognizes *he’s* not the leader (amirite, American Kulak?)”
Of course, without military discipline and some chain of command there can be no victory. Which is why the DNR/LNR getting their act together to stop the looting and organize around core groups like the Vostok Batallion and Strelkov is so important. But they cannot win with these core groups alone, nor hope that all of the Ukrainian Army or National Guard will mutiny. NAF will still need artillery and Katyushas if not tanks to inflict serious enough losses on the junta forces that no matter how much the US threatens to use Right Sector to murder Poroshenko et al they must still come to the peace table or flee Kiev for their lives.
“but you and me, eh, I might be able to get a shot in first but so what, I’d end up just as dead,”
Nora you are thinking only of the ‘stack’ scenario. As many gun rights/patriot movement blogs have pointed out, if you’re ready to go out in a blaze of glory after your front door gets kicked in and the flashbangs are flying you’re already dead meat and doing it wrong. The key is to be able to get the hell out of dodge at the first sign of trouble before the gun confiscations/door kickings start. And at any rate it appears the main NWO war plan is to collapse the dollar/economy first to get ordinary Americans killing each other for scraps and BEGGING the Army to institute martial law and restore order — plus they can play the race card after so many urban dwellers desperately try to forage into the bloody suburbs and rural areas to say white racists killed a bunch of blacks and Hispanics and only Big Sis can protect you from crazy whiteys.
But in areas like rural Utah or the South where people already have guns and provisions of food, and in general where social trust is higher (say within communities or across racial lines eg between white Evangelicals and Hispanic Evangelicals already on the lookout for the NWO/AntiChrist) I don’t think this globalist strategy for destroying America from within will prove so effective. Hence the reemphasis on martial law drilling, and perhaps the idea of the FEMA camps not so much to keep hostiles locked up as to keep the families of law enforcement and military under lock and key as hostages to their ‘good behavior’ eg obeying criminal orders to kill or round up fellow Americans. However if all police, National Guardsmen and Army can be educated enough to NEVER accept total separation from their families or redeployment to another part of the country (ala the UKR National Guardsmen from W. Central Ukraine to fight people in the Southeast) then the Satanic globalist strategy also breaks down there too! So there is good news in terms of the Oath Keepers and possibly a liberal analogue that can appeal to Democrats in uniform across the country. Call it the Constitutionalist Peace Officers Association CPOA to reach those Dems not comfortable with Stewart Rhodes, Oathkeepers or their support for Bundy.
LuckyMcGriff (I love your name, btw!),
Google the images, white phosphorous was/is Godawful. There’s a Wikipedia write-up on it I haven’t the stomach to read so I don’t know how accurate it is but basically the stuff melts skin and the fire can’t be put out. So yes, gruesome to the max.
I’m with you about the militarization of our police etc., though I tend to think it was more for profit once we started pulling out of Iraq and all the MIC still had stuff to sell. Homeland Security offered grants so We The People paid for it anyhow but I simultaneously laugh and want to scream when the Fire Chief of our *tiny* rural district arrives in his APC or whateverthehellitis to supervise putting out an electric fire on a pole. I suppose the cows, sheep, coyotes, and bear are quite impressed… And you Never hear the words “police brutality” anymore, despite how they treat innocent citizens. So yes, that ABSOLUTELY has to change — but it’s part of our over-militarized culture since 9/11.
And precisely what we’ve got to work on changing, for the sake of our children and grandchildren, as well as everyone else on earth. No one wanted to go into Syria, hopefully the same will be true for Iraq, so right now we do have a chance — if we use it wisely — to, well, let’s be honest, start changing the culture. No. More. Wars. unless We The People really are at risk. And we haven’t been since WWII and actually maybe not then either, though that’s a ball of wax I don’t want to touch! So why don’t we start talking to people, PUSH the VA scandal and our abysmal care of our troops, and really egg this thing on! We just do this stuff for profit and because the CIA are insane psychopaths and always were. Iraq was a war of choice, and to those of us (me) who knew a bit of the history and culture of the place, it was obvious that the Shi’a, Sunni and Kurds who Saddam Hussein, for all his flaws, was able to keep together in a very well-functioning society despite the obvious fault lines, would BLOW apart and make it very easy for terrorists to enter the place and do exactly what is happening now. Meanwhile, those of us who understand nuclear stuff (Mr. Nora is a research scientist who has worked with it) saw quite clearly from Day One that the whole aluminum tubes/WMD claims were pure bunk. We sure did get called traitors though, so I’m not surprised now but I guess I still resent it. I HATE some of the stuff we’re doing but I still love this place very deeply and want more than anything to help set it straight!
But we’re the ones who have to do it, Lucky — and it’s a whole lot easier to talk to people than wait, scared, till you have to start shooting. I don’t feel enslaved but I sure do feel lied to, manipulated and made to feel very much less secure about things I once took for granted. And I think we’re in the midst of a class war right now, the 1% against everyone else — but WE’VE got the numbers, we just have to start using them smartly!
Does that make any sense?
The concentration camp/FEMA camp/re-education center urban myth got started under Dubya, and Snopes has pretty well debunked all of it.
If I may, I’m going to make a generalization here: the Left tends to be blithely unaware and knee-jerk defends Obama and all his lies for the same stuff they excoriated Bush for, plus more. Otoh, the Right, partly because of shock-jock radio, tends to get more afraid of the big, bad government and not see it’s simply a bunch of people all of whom sell out constantly to the highest bidder. They’re not evil plotters, they’re just greedy bastards wanting to stay in office and make themselves a fortune — and the gov’t itself isn’t the problem, it’s our system of electing people who only care about whatever the corporations funding them want — which is to bleed money from US and line their own pockets!
So what we’ve got to do is stop that linkage — no lobbyists or corporate guys in gov’t positions for five years used to be the norm until it got de-regulated. And blind trusts for stock holdings for at least higher-up gov’t positions too. And regulation of print and airwave media to PREVENT the monopolies we have now, so that we could really LEARN something from the news from one source or another.
Corporate donations should also be banned, and frankly if you want to go after the banksters, how about what North Dakota has done, which is have their own state bank. It works well enough for them to have lowered taxes twice PLUS do a lot of infrastructure work. You’d need honest pols, of course, but I still think that’s the way to go. You break the linkages so the SOBs represent US again, rather than robbing us blind.
So I’m not afraid, so much as angry. How dare they! Turn us against each other and rob us blind. We all fell for it too — but not no mo’!
“it appears the main NWO war plan is to collapse the dollar/economy first to get ordinary Americans killing each other for scraps and BEGGING the Army to institute martial law and restore order “
My name is Nora and I endorse this statement. Dammit.
But not FEMA camps. Or, really, door-kickings. A total, each man for himself dystopia, lawlessness, warlords, yes. But I honestly think TPTB would just as soon let us fight amongst ourselves and die off that way rather than bother with anything else. Not exactly benign neglect (!) but kind of the way the inner city is under-policed, you know? Let them kill each other off — and I can see that happening, too; even in rural areas it’s ultimately going to be each person for himself.
I do agree that Ukraine ought to be a lesson for us here, but I’m thinking more the reluctance of Berkut and National Guard to shoot their fellow citizens is an attitude I HOPE AND PRAY our police, let alone National Guard, would adopt NOW! The cops in any case don’t feel that solidarity with the rest of us: they shoot first and then, frankly, get mad and try to cover it up bc to them, instead of being a part of the job, the worst thing in the world is for *them* to feel at risk … from anyone. And that’s just plain wrong, as attested by increasing numbers of very dead, very innocent people who somehow managed to trigger (erm) their panic responses. So yes, educating them that we’re all in this together! But how? And getting Democrats/Liberals/Progressives to reach out and bond with anyone in uniform, let alone Oath Keepers or Bundy or (even harder to imagine) getting cops to see *any* Leftish as anything but a terrorist — whew, that’s a steep order indeed! Not sure I can think that one through, but I’ll try… ;~)
Thanks, it’s a nick name, due to the fact I’m not so lucky at all, form the time I was a child, the name stuck, silly really.
You had mentioned that it wasn’t always like this, I agree. I can remember a better time, in America and its fading from that memory we all hold so dear. I want my children and grandchildren to have what was the America I remember. Also that was before I knew anything about the zion movement. That changed everything I ever thought to be true.
I HATE some of the stuff we’re doing but I still love this place very deeply and want more than anything to help set it straight!
I absolutely agree! Thing are just spinning out of control worldwide. People are dying, being sacrificed for what? There really is no justice anywhere you look, times are looking more and more Biblical every moment.
I did find out about the white phosphorus. Have they dumped that on the Ukrainian people? I have to agree no defense could protect against the evil that would (and possible could be at this moment) cause, I can’t believe the madness.
About the camps, I had read here in someone’s comment that the Eastern Ukrainian men and women were being forced into camps of some sort. And now a possible chemical warfare attack. WTH is going on. Just so unbelievable.
If anyone were trying to take me or my family to a camp I do believe, I would decline. By force if necessary.
I Hate violence more than anything, but I will protect myself, as my God given rights. I can not admit to being well taught and trained but I think with the training I do have, I’d be better off trying, than not.
How dare they! Turn us against each other and rob us blind. We all fell for it too — but not no mo’!
I understand what your saying, any ideas of how to reverse the affect of generations of racial divisional propaganda penetrated so deeply into the masses? I pray for the world to be a better place, we have to break the propaganda brainwashing where hate is created to divide us all. It seems to be working much to their reward, hate never brings unity. The hate is branded deeply into so many, they can not see past it. Its a really messed up world out there, coming soon I fear to any small town worldwide.
Also, I appreciate you taking the time for me. Blessings!
Well, as I see it, bigotry is bigotry is bigotry — it doesn’t really matter who it’s against, does it? It’s all really the same thing ultimately, and I think, fwiw, it’s always based on judging a person by a stereotype of *some (supposed) aspect of* whatever he or she happens to have been born. I.e., identity politics. Let’s just talk Irish here, ;~) and specifically dumb, brawling, drunken Irish; it’s safer bc the stereotype has pretty much faded, at least from what it used to be. Now in fact many Irish do drink, some do get into fights and some may even be not-so-bright — okay, but all that’s *also* true for every other group of people just about everywhere, right? And any given Irish man or woman may NOT be a drunken, fighting bum and may instead be extremely intelligent, PLUS a whole lot of other things that have nothing whatever to do with the stereotype. So part of the data in that stereotype is not necessarily accurate, PLUS it misses, really, most of the person. Well, that’s true for everyone. We’re all WAY more than just a couple of supposedly-identifying-but-always-negative adjectives. So stereotypes are not something to trust — you’ve got to know the person. And, for example, it’s hard for the average white American to really get to know the average black American, and much, much easier to buy into the image of them our media deliberately project. If you’re interested in continuing this conversation, I’ll be happy to — don’t want to overload you here — but I’d also suggest another incredible blogger, Ta-Nehisi Coates. He’s a brilliant guy (I LUV it when people are three steps ahead of me and he almost always is), he did some absolutely marvelous work on the Civil War a few years ago — again, coming at it from the most surprising viewpoints (including getting inside the heart and mind of the slaveowners) — and this piece I think would be a good place to start:
Don’t let the title put you off: there’s a lot of history and humanity in here we all need to know regardless of the position we take on reparations (which NO WAY this country would ever do even if we could afford to, which of course we can’t). But do read it, bc there’s so much in here the average American just plain doesn’t know — and should.
And blessings back atcha!
“That changed everything I ever thought to be true.”
O boy, we’ve had that happen so often, especially in the last 15 years or so, we’re *almost* used to it. Almost.
Yes, white phosphorous apparently was used in Ukraine, along with other chemical weapons (not just Odessa but there too), and it looks like more is on the way. But it’s not *just* madness, it’s not giving a damn about anyone other than your own (however you define “own”). That’s Evil.
As for the camps, apparently the announcement was made that this was the intent — Think. Palestine. — but I don’t think it’s happening yet. Much cheaper to kill them off than have to feed them. And if you were sitting in your house or out buying groceries with your kids and a bunch of soldiers tried to round you up… you’d think of your kids and trot right along rather than shoot and know they’d be killed.
But ALL of this, Lucky, is EXACTLY what was done to tribe after tribe after tribe of Native Americans, so it’s nothing new at all! It’s. Just. What. We. Do. The only difference is, we (and the rest of the world, oligarchs and those in their pay excluded) finally see through the myths.
And we’ve GOT to wake up everybody else.
I hate this so much. As I try to tell people, I don’t seems to have the power of persuasion that is needed. Although, I’m trying my best to stay up to date on all the EVIL goings on. Overwhelmed by all of it. Honestly, I never want to be USE to it. I hate that you and Mr. Nora even have to be almost use to it. Not sure of your ages, sounds as if your guys may be retired, I do pray your both able to enjoy it some amidst all the madness.
I am of American Indian decent, my granddad passed before being able to share much of what that looked like in his day. My Mom said she never was interested in all his Indian stories. I would have been. Sad to have missed his knowledge and experience on the history of my heritage. The other side of my family is Irish (LOL) I’m not really into stereotypes whatsoever.
Thank you much for the link, will read! I’m thankful that I’ve been able to see through the myth. Any ideas as to how awaken the rest? May God help us all! Blessings!
You don’t have to be good with words to persuade — feeling it comes through anyhow! And besides, that’s usually better. It’s an awful process to have everything you ever believed in (except God, of course) just turned upside down, and then have it happen over and over and over again. Believe me, I know what you’re going through.
My Indian heritage (both sides) was Very. Carefully. Hidden. Which is sooooo much worse. Really, it’s horrifying, and just so damned sad, bc there’s so very much more for us to be proud of about that part of ourselves than any other, imo. Read Charles Mann’s “1491”, and you’ll see — They. Got. It. Right. The rest of us, not so much. I figured the Irish, btw ;~) — but I also figured I could use that stereotype bc you’d know better. Do read Ta-Nehisi, though — it’s really good stuff and again, just talking about it, telling people what you’ve learned, and showing your feelings, can do so, so much.
It’s hard, too — bc people WANT to stay in their nice, safe cocoons, and you can’t really blame them. But what’s going on now is just slow-motion evisceration of US, We The People, and we’ve got to stop it somehow. This Iraq business is deliberate (newsflash, Obama lies), to please Israel by breaking up the country and to please our oil companies by — surprise! — raising the price high enough that fracking here can finally make sense. NO JOBS, no food, no help for people hit hard by both of those things, and it’s not *even* like they want to plot against us — it’s simply that They. Don’t. Care.
We’re invisible, and in the way — just like Native Americans. We don’t matter enough here to even plot against, we’re just impediments to their greater profits and power. We simply don’t matter at all — and the only way we’ll come to matter is if we wake up the sleeping masses and work together to rein in these absolute monsters.
Glad I could cheer you up… :~)
I do thank you dearly for your wonderful advice. I will read the books and have already ordered them today. I will add it my summer reading project along side the history of the church… Ugh! Not a nice history at all. As I’m sure you very well know.
In my research, I’ve come across some very disturbing protocols, possibly, you may know something to add or debunk it all together. I’m totally at a loss. The protocols of the Zionist, also the protocols of the Jesuits. Are you familiar with either? It would help in my research more than you know! Thank you Ma’am, Blessings!
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a hoax — as Israel Shamir remarked maybe ten years ago, they wouldn’t need to “advise” each other like that, they all already KNEW THAT — it’s just What. They. Do. !!!
As for Jesuits, well, the order began as soldiers for the Church, fighting both Protestants and Eastern Orthodox during the (very, very, very) bloody Counter-Reformation. Then, in maybe the mid-19th century, they kind of saw the light — their preparation is rigorous, they’ve got to be very, very bright, the intellectual cream of the crop, really — and began to see what was really going on and the real needs of the people. So they started doing some good stuff instead in S. America, and became imo the very best teaching order here. Until eviscerated under JPII and Benedict because their values were anything but reactionary. JMO.
Now as for Freemasonry, the Illuminati et. al., I’m stumped. Most conspiracy theories about this stuff just seem typically paranoid but I think it’d be worth asking Saker bc he’s got a good level head on his shoulders and I believe lived in France, which under Napoleon was apparently the epi-center of whatever it was/is that infiltrated whatever it did.
Not sure which books you ordered — 1491, about our world here before Columbus, is a really good read but I’ll warn you about 1493! The topic is basically globalization, it’s VERY accurate and so hideous was the process that we literally could only read it aloud — so we could share our anguish and horror — and maybe a couple of pages at a time! Important info but OMG. And Mr. Nora, at least, has a pretty strong stomach…
Do read that Ta-Nehisi blog piece though — I think you’ll be really surprised by some of the stuff in it and it just makes so much sense of everything.
Ultimately, we’re all in this together! ;~)
And blessings on you, good lady!
Thank you for your incite in these orders. This has been a difficult project (history of the church) since I began in May. Need to be finished before class starts September. I guess I failed realize the depth of evil that blankets the whole history of the church. I will take your advice and ask Saker. Possible has has something to add. Indeed we are in this together. Blessings!
Welcome back, I know this is off topic but possibly you can add something to my research of the history of the church. Do you happen to know anything at all of the protocols of zion or the protocols of the Jesuits. Ran across these during my research. Can you help?
@Lucky McGriff: Do you happen to know anything at all of the protocols of zion or the protocols of the Jesuits.
I never heard about the “protocols of the Jesuists” but I know the “Protocols of the Eliders of Zion” which I believe to be an authentic document even though it probably has been (ineptly) “edited” to make it look even more scary. I always felt that the original text had been “re-worked” by some fairly crude mind who added stuff here and there to make them look more interested but which in reality made them look less credible. But I am confident that the basis is authentic and that they do represent a genuine current of Jewish racist thought.
Thank you! Frightening indeed! Psychotic no doubt. From what I understand these Protocols of the Jesuits are basically on the same line as the Zionist, possible a branch off it. Strange as it sounds, we can’t put anything past the evil that drives these satanic forces. Thanks for taking the time!
If you’re into the Evil the Roman Catholic Church has done, unfortunately some of the worst of it was done in Ireland, by Irish, against Irish.
I’m assuming you know about the Magdalene Laundries; if not, Wiki them but do see this first bc it just hit the news last Sunday, I think, and is — well, how do you describe a group of nuns taking care of pregnant women and their children and, just for starters, NEVER BAPTISING THE CHILDREN! Then, *letting* them die and apparently burying them, not just in unmarked graves with no ceremony or acknowledgment, but in an unused septic tank.
Now, that wasn’t actually ALL the Church’s fault — it’s a real condemnation of Irish society post-1921, until rather recently actually. But still… I just can’t get past the baptism part, I really, really can’t.
Also, I’m gonna disagree w/Saker on the Protocols; it’s an absolutely accurate description but it was written to be seen by non-Jews; Jews themselves hardly needed to read it, they’d already been doing it for years! But read it and see if it doesn’t just “whiff” too much of conspiracy — all the made-up stuff just kind of sounds alike after a while. And if you were going to do something like that and writing to a friend or two or three, would you really go into all that detail? Presumably you’d already discussed it several times and didn’t need to start from scratch. jmho
I’m in no way “into the Evil the Roman Catholic Church has done” I just have an essay due in September on the history of the church.
I’ve started at the death of our Lord. Well in the research I came across both protocols I have mentioned. Seems as if I’ve traced the Zion protocols back to King Solomon’s time.
Thinking this was all too much to believe, I decided to pray about it. In doing so, I kept being brought back time and time again to who it was that killed our Lord. Who then were the money changers who He threw out of the Temple courtyard? What were the names He called them, Hypocrites, blind guides, you serpents, generation of vipers, The Children of the Devil.
So my question is why wouldn’t they try to hi-jack the Christian faith?
Thanks for that link to the nuns who did those horrible things! My goodness what an evil lot! Blessings!