It appears that a massacre did take place today, but not in Slaviansk, but in Odessa were 38 people died when a building in which they had sought refuge was set ablaze. Here is what RT reports:
At least 38 anti-government activists died in fire at Odessa’s Trade Unions House after suffocating with smoke or jumping out of windows of the burning building, Ukrainian Interior Ministry reported. The building was set ablaze by the pro-Kiev radicals. Some 50 people, including 10 police officers, were also injured in the incident, the official statement said. It was not immediately clear whether those injured in Friday street clashes in Odessa were included in those numbers. According to the ministry, the Friday standoff on Odessa included “anti-Maidan” activists on one side and “football fans” from Odessa and Kharkov, as well as “euro-Maidan” activists, on the other. A criminal case on the charges of mass unrest has been opened. The Trade Unions House was set on fire by pro-Kiev radicals after they surrounded and destroyed the tent camp of anti-government activists that stood in front of the building on Odessa’s Kulikovo Field Square. It was torched in a storming attempt after some of the anti-Maidan activists rallying in the square barricaded themselves inside the building. Thirty of the victims were found on the floors of the building having apparently suffocated to death with smoke. Eight more died after jumping out of the burning Trade Union House’s windows, according to police. Earlier reports of the clashes in Odessa said that both sides used Molotov cocktails and, allegedly, gunfire.
While the exact circumstances of this tragedy are unclear, it appears that we are dealing with the massacre of pro-Russian activists by nationalist thugs (aka “football hooligans”). As I mentioned earlier, a Russian intervention in Odessa is far more likely than in the Donbass which seems capable of protecting itself without Russian assistance.
Also, and with some reluctance, I want to inform you about one interesting but unverified source (caveat emptor!): there is a Spanish speaking air traffic controller in Kiev who regularly tweets info about the events in the Ukraine here: https://twitter.com/spainbuca.
Now I personally never use Twitter (or Facebook), but a reader has called my attention to this guys who seems to have some pretty good information. According to him, some “military in Kiev” had requested the help of Russia, after which some Russian cargo plane has flown near Donetsk. According to him, radio intercepts indicate Russian paratroopers. The aircraft then turned around. What that a para drop? Finally, he reports that Ukrainian military aircraft have been challenged by Russian interceptors and have had to withdraw. Now, since all this is based on radio communication it could be fake or just somebody trying to create a panic. But for those of you who understand Spanish I wanted to pass you the info so you call follow this directly on Twitter.
Whether Russia moves troops in now or not, my sense is that this massacre in Odessa will have serious consequences as the Russians will not ignore it.
I will try to keep you posted as best I can,
I remind you all that South East of Ukraine is populated by roughly 20 million people, this 20 million bags of shit are unwilling to lift a finger and watch holocaust while they eat they beloved pig fat (сало). In the meanwhile just east of them another 150 million Russians who with all they Cossacks, Chechens, retired paratroopers, boarder guards and various special units retirees are mastering big help for they western relatives, hold on to your seats – few hundred of them. I’m ashamed to be Russian today, we blew it 23 years ago with patch-head Gorby and the drank bastard and today they continue to call our enemies – western partners and watch on as they burn us alive. We had an official document on the wall in my family apartment, it confirmed that my grandmother entire family, 4 brothers, 5 sisters and her parents were burned alive along with the rest of the villagers by Nazis in 1942, she was from small village in Donetsk region. Дежавю…
@Where-Wolf 03 May, 2014 04:35
I agree with all you say except the result. I think Russia will take all of Ukraine, and turn it free as a working (i.e. not failed) state, putting criminals on trial as a sweet by-product. That’s the only victory that matches the defeat manifested by the failed-state carpet-bagger plan of the US. That’s what I’m rooting for, that’s what I call the highest and best outcome. We shall see.
I also agree with your next comment at 03 May, 2014 04:49 about the asset stripping of the US, but getting back to your first: the ability of the petrodollar to endure for a long time actually speaks greatly for the likelihood of new reserve currencies to appear and simply just fit into the global scene in a gradual and banker-friendly way. There’s no call here for a collapse of anything. It’s called reset. A new Bretton Woods if even that. It’s happened a few times before and never caused heartburn – but does cause realignements between nations (such as US and Saudi Arabia).
So I’d say take out of the scenario the idea of any pressure or immediacy regarding currencies. BRICS is free to create alternatives. As long as they all pay interest, bankers don’t care what they’re called, or who issues them.
“Bull. The largest population of Jews live in colonialist, Apartheid Israel and they have no humanity at all! They’re living it up at the beach resorts and cafes, and on stolen land while the Palestinian people suffer.”
You realize theres more Jews in the United States than in Israel?
To Robert Snefjella: Robert, upon reading your statement that” top military people” had demanded a first strike nuke attack on the Soviet Union I immediately thought of Curtis Le May. But while the joint chiefs unanimously urged an invasion of Cuba I can find nothing in summaries of the EXCOMM meetings that anyone demanded a nuke first strike. Maybe Le May did but was over-ruled by the others. Can you please provide a source for your claim.
This is a very different situation. Public support for any kind of military action is well under 20% in the US and Germany and Angela seems to have set her heels against a military response. It’s too late at night to go into Oct 1962, but my sense remains that it’s very probably more dangerous for Russia to cave in than it is to respond firmly.
Right now the death toll in Odessa is put at 46. Good night. Tom
The deaths in Odessa will galvanize ant-Kiev support. The fact that it happened in the union building will add to the impact. If I remember correctly, Right Sector protesters occupied the union building in Kiev. Don’t remember them being burned to death.
“Is there any way we can at least express our horror and condolences to the people of Odessa? Does anyone know how, or to whom they can be sent?”
I feel you are doing this already. Your concern for their lives is very noble. Your anguish at the actions of the West shows character.
Sistani had asked every Iraqi to end his conversation with any American with “when are you leaving?”. He did not ask them to fight a fight they could not win, he asked them to convey a message.
When you, Norweigian, and Michael Collins say “not in my name” it changes a lot. It makes it hard for anyone to feel anger and with your goodness of heart it changes their attitude. Nothing more is expected of you and it would be wrong to expect more.
Soooo, you are the president of a large and powerful nation that faces a real and current national security threat at its border.
This threat could realistically spiral into a much bigger conflict and ultimately spell the end of your country as it is now known.
Your country has recently been branded an ‘enemy’ by some other rogue states who have not only contributed to, but actually instigated the national security threat.
You are also a former career, senior, intelligence officer with an intricate knowledge of the modus operandi of the principal rogue state that is behind the national security threat – you generally know what they will do next before they decide to do it.
The principal rogue state wishes to engage in a game – a game in which that rogue state gets to set the rules, be the umpire and wants to win at all costs.
You’ll not be drawn into a game that can only be lost.
The principal rogue state has one main goal in the current events to get you into the game – draw you into a military conflict to provide an excuse for an escalation of the national security threat.
You clearly understand the main goal of the principal rogue state and how it relates to the bigger game.
The military at your disposal has several brigades of what are widely acknowledged to be the toughest, most resilient and best trained special forces in the world,* who can confidently operate behind enemy lines amongst the local population with little risk of detection.
These special forces guys can disrupt the national security threat for a long time – maybe even get a few trophies along the way (without taking any credit) – and this means there’s no real reason to give the principal rogue state what it wants, or even to agree to play its unwinnable game.
This infurates the principal rogue state, but there’s little it can do without revealing the true extent of its involvement.
Now ask yourself – what would you do in this situation….?
Of course there are covert operations going on – it would be one of the greatest and most foolish exceptions in modern history if they were not.
Putin is no fool.
*Whlst not professing any particular personal military expertise or first hand knowledge of such matters, I have had the privledge to have known several special forces types over the years. I shall not say from which country. They have never spoken of operational matters. Those commandos and SAS soldiers have been involved in international operations. They have variously served alongside their US equivalents, Delta/SEALS/Green Berets (who, to my surprise, they generally did not rate very highly at all). They spoke of the Russian Spetznaz (and I do now know of which particular type to which they referred at the time as I did not know there were different versions and so did not ask the question) as the hardest ‘mofos’ in the world and the ones they least wished to ever encounter as a hostile force. I had no reason to doubt their comments.
its caveat Lektor…let the reader beware!
Steiner @Steiner1776 10h
@PaulaSlier_RT Reporter saying that right sector is executing pro russians https://twitter.com/romanMOWrussia/status/462317526220025856/photo/1
Be wary of Democracy Now. In a word- Soros.
Amy Goodman lost all credibilty with me after pimping for the war in Libya. I just can’t ever listen to that show again.
RNN does some good work on domestic US issues, and okay with some foreign reporting, but they’re totally weak when it comes to US Imperial aggression.
This blog is essential reading, I also would recommend Global Research, James Corbett, Tony Cartalucci (Land Destroyer/ NEO), Boiling Frogs Post (Sibel Edmonds’ blog), Stop Imperialism (Eric Draitser- appears on RT often) Counterpunch, The Scott Horton Show, Voltaire Network, and Washingtons Blog. Basically, stick with independent media, and please support them if and when you can. Its vital in countering the misinforming, mind-numbing, viscious propaganda of western msm. And RT is fine, brilliant at times, that’s as good as it gets for a network. Miles better than anything coming out of western MSM. Anyways, those are my personal suggestions, as someone who used to listen to DN and watch RNN quite a bit, and have evolved from there.
I believe those i mentioned are some of the best out there. Pretty much stick with independent media, and support the sites you like if and when you can, and be sure to spread the word. I’m sure there are more I’m forgetting, and others I may be unaware of. Perhaps people can add to the list and/or criticize mine. Of course, use your own judgment and don’t take anyone’s word for gospel. Oh and one more- Pepe Escobar, Asia Times online.
I know we’re all looking for honest and insightful analysis in our choice of media, so I hope that you. And I hope others will also.
I hope the people of Odessa with the help of Mr Putin and Russia will catch all the murderous right wing facist Kievan thugs disguised obnoxiously as “football hooligans” and lynch them in the public square; Sending the message that the only good Nazi thugs are dead Nazi thugs.
The IMF dutifully announce provision of a USD 17 billion “aid” to the illegitimate terrorist regime in Kiev with “conditional need for Kiev to control East and South Ukraine” as a signal and code for Kiev to release its thugs and military against civilians in Odessa and Slavansk. The timming was such to coincide with Mrs Merkel’s visit to Washington in order to put her in a pickle thus “softening” her up for Mr Obumma and his Necocon warmongering hawks to pounce and apply pressure on Mrs merkel to “do something” about that aggressor Mr Putinwho is likely to intervene to protect Russian Ukrainians.
Without question, Washington is funding the slaughter of Russian Ukrainians. The buck stops at the duplicitous COmmander-in-Chief of Murder : Mr Obumma.
There is no question it is better for Mr Putin and Russia to “die” with honour than to live in shame regretting and rueing having done nothing to stop that evil “Emperor” Obumma – and the “powers-that-be behind him – in Washington and his faecally named stooges – “arse-hole” Yats and Oleg “Turd-chirnof” to carry out their murderous and ruinous agenda against innocent people exercising their rights of self determination.
Washington be Damned.
Milos Lazarevic @miloslazaNBG22 · 8h
“Separatists” in Donetsk storm building. Deaths:0
“Patriots” storm building in Odessa. Deaths: 42 and counting
Need one say more?
And the US keeps bribing the media:
USAID?? Say rather, CIA …
Looks like the zionazis will continue their assaults:
Kiev intends to continue active phase of special operations in East – Ukraine’s Interior Ministry
“Kiev authorities have no intentions of stopping the active phase of special operations near the eastern city of Kramatorsk and operations will begin again at sunrise, acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said Saturday. “The active phase of the operation will continue at sunrise. We won’t stop,” Avakov said on his Facebook page Saturday morning.
He also said that a television tower in Kramatorsk was retaken during the night in an operation by the National Guard and military forces.
On Friday evening a battle broke out on the outskirts of Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region after a column of Ukrainian armored vehicles, blocked earlier by civilians, decided to go on the offensive.
The soldiers, who had lost their patience, began firing their guns into the air, and then at the local residents who were attempting to stop them from shooting.
According to preliminary information, nine people were injured and one died of inflicted wounds.”
Ukraine: Odessa declares three day mourning for 41 people burned alive by Right Sector fighters
“Three-day mourning is declared in Odessa over Friday’s tragic events, which took 41 lives, according to the information of the city council. According to the updated information, hospitals received 123 people injured in clashes. Forty of them were hospitalized, including 17 in critical condition. Most of those who were killed died from smoke inhalation, while others perished trying to escape by jumping out of windows. Forty one people died. Odessa has declared a three day mourning.
“May 3, 4 and 5 are declared mourning days,” the council said in a statement on its website.
Ukrainian and Odessa flags with black ribbons will be lowered to half-mast on administrative buildings.”
As usual, the zionazi scum in the west, especially the Jewish owned/run corporate media, are trying to blame Russia for their own terrorism.
UN Security Council blocks initiative supporting Geneva agreements on Ukraine
“Western members of the UN Security Council blocked the Russian proposal to support the Geneva agreements on Ukraine and to demand termination of violence, an informed source in the headquarters of this world organization said. Earlier on Friday, at an emergency meeting of the Security Council, permanent representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, suggested coordinating the text of a statement, which was to be read to journalists by Chairman of the Security Council in May, South Korean diplomat Oh Jung.
According to Churkin, the Council should urge “to put an immediate end to all violence, including the use of armed forces in the East of Ukraine, and to seriously engage in the full implementation of the Geneva document.”
“Subsequently, the Russian side presented theses for the press in the framework of what was offered at the meeting. Western Council members insisted on entering their own provisions in it. As a result, an attempt to come to an agreement on the text failed,” said the Agency’s interlocutor.
“Actions of radicals remind of Nazi crimes”
Upheaval and killings committed by Ukrainian nationalists and radicals in Odessa are reminiscent of the Nazi crimes, permanent representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, Vitaly Churkin said Friday.
In his statement in English spread here, he expressed concern about reports from the city in the South of Ukraine, according to which “bandits from the Right Sector drove protesters together into the building of the House of Trade Unions and burned 38 people alive.”
“These actions resemble the crimes of Nazis, whom the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists draw their ideological inspiration from,” said the Russian representative.”
‘They beat us with bats and chains’ – anti-Maidan activist in Odessa
Accounts of people trapped in the Trade Union building of the nazi attacks. Hopefully once the banderivtsy are removed from power, they and their followers will see some very permanent and thorough justice meted out to them.
Силы ополчения отбросили карателей из центра Краматорска (Militias threw center of punitive Kramators’k)
(auto trans) “National Guard forces of Ukraine carried out on the track realignment Kharkov – Rostov, preparing for a new attack.
As a result, the battle on the outskirts of the city , dozens of people were injured and at least one was killed. According to the militias, Ukrainian troops pushed back from the city and spend regrouping, preparing for new attacks. Resistance forces are preparing to repel the assault.
– The exact number of dead, I can not name, as in the first place it was necessary to take out the wounded, – he said. – At the hospital, one person died, but witnesses claim that those killed were at least ten people. City ringed Ukrainian troops, there is an information war. On government channels is given one-sided information about the incident. But here we are going to stand up to the last.
Ukrainian military launched an assault in Kramatorsk night of May 3. In a special operation killed ten civilians who were unarmed at the time of the attack. Clashes broke out in the area Yasnogorsk evening May 2. About the beginning of the attack alerted residents siren.
Ukrainian armored column, locked civilians, decided to go on break. Soldiers opened fire on supporters of federalization, who tried to stop them. According to witnesses, one of the checkpoints between the Slavic and Kramatorsk during the day passed from the hands of the militia under the control of the Ukrainian army. We also know that today as public transportation between cities and within Kramators’k will not go. In the city preparing for a new assault – as the Kiev authorities announce new operation in Kramatorsk continue.
Earlier in social networks from the designated illegitimate parliament Interior Minister Arsen Avakov reported continuing operation against militias.
– The active phase of the operation continued at dawn. Do not stop – wrote Avakov morning May 3 on his page on Facebook.”
Кадыров: Мы не можем спокойно наблюдать, как гибнут мирные люди (Kadyrov: We can not sit back and watch as people kill civilians)
(auto trans) “- From the Ukrainian city Sloviansk received alarming news. Illegal Ukrainian authorities started in this city a large-scale military operation against its own people – said Ramzan Kadyrov.
According to him, there are widely used armored vehicles and helicopter gunships . By Slavic impactors artillery and from the air. City blocked. Civilians can not take out of the Slavic women, elderly and children. Kiev criminal regime step by step moves to unleash civil war in Ukraine.
– There is no doubt that Kiev decided to do so only when a clear and unequivocal support from the U.S. authorities, the Western countries and NATO. I recall that in the Chechen Republic at the hands of Western intelligence agencies nurtured terrorists killed thousands of people. The same fate of the people of Ukraine are preparing the same today, NATO and the United States – said the head of Chechnya.
Kadyrov has strongly condemned the actions of the West and their henchmen Ukrainian authorities unleashed a punitive operation Slovyansk.
– We can not sit back and watch when civilians are killed. I am sure that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, Supreme Commander in accordance with the data of his powers by the Federation Council will take concrete measures to protect civilians in the Slavic and other cities of Ukraine. We at any time waiting for an order of Russian President and ready in a short time to implement it in full, – said the head of Chechnya.
The military operation was launched Kiev early in the morning on May 2. Attack helicopters firing missiles at the city. Against militias involved up to 20 helicopters. Three of them have been shot down by the resistance of the city . Two Ukrainian pilots who were in these combat vehicles, died. One injured was taken to the headquarters of the defense.”
It’s just in conceivable that no one condemns the massacre as if nothing happened. Unbelievable
@Robert Snefjella and others who have referred to Germany’s Gold and the growing disillusionment of the German population with the the official Anglo-US-NATO narrative.
Here is a very perceptive piece of hilarious satire about the gold question which is undoubtedly VERY close to the truth of the matter – Boozing with Ben.
And here is a very perceptive article about the mood of the German population – NATO’s new Cold War runs into trouble in Germany
And a last link of interest: Pravda interview with the Igor Strelkov the Peoples’ Militia Commander in Slavyansk
PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT 36m
Colleague in #Kramatorsk says the city is being attacked!
PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT 27m
According to reports, ten people were killed and more than 30 injured in #Kramatorsk at night. All of them are pro-federalization supporters
PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT 17m
People in #Slavyansk complain that Russian channels are no longer showing in the town. Ukrainian channels are back.
PaulaSlier_RT @PaulaSlier_RT 23m
People in #Odessa are angry at the radical Right Sector for clashes yesterday that took lives of dozens.
According to this report:
the governor of the region praised the burning of the Trade Union Building and the deaths by the Maidan ‘activists’, because the have ‘neutralised’ the terrorists.
How inhumane is that! But it is the true face of the Kiev regime, and the language is the one we remember from Germany 1933-45.
No comment: [email protected] 27 Apr 14: “Ukrainians” held a Nazi exhibition “Beware of Russians” (put them in concentration camps) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljxz6M6H6c4 …
Howard Amos reported from the scene. He said the pro-Russia side fired live ammunition and threw stones from the roof of the trade union building. (Guardian)
This is one of the guys whose tweets appear on RT. They shouldn’t, obviously.
Here’s the tweet:
From what I’ve seen in Russian media and blogs and comments, people in the east and south are extremely outraged. The self-defense groups are doing a crash course of mobilisation and consolidation. Hopefully, those mystery Russian cargo aircraft provided some help (have doubt the reports are true, since the zionazis drama queens would raise bloody hell about detected Russian overflights of the Ukraine), and these people have access to some more effective arms. While human chains and negotiation worked on Ukrainian army regulars, such reasonable tactics are useless against mercs and the pravi sektor bum bandit brigades.
Other news is the “OSCE” spies were released and the pretty Crimean acting prosecutor general has been appointed to the post permanently now. I’m curious how the boy molestation case against the Lyashko freak is going.
The massacre in Odessa, and those one which seems to happens when writing this lines in Slaviansk and/or Kramatorsk are totally horrible. The suffering of the parents and friends hit me directly, but we must accept to live in times of barbar`s rule on our world. We must prepare ourself to fight and die for the preservation of the community where we are living. One of the most resilient and valuable One in the world is Mother Russia.
As swiss citizen I belong also to strong resilient community, but we have a problem of leadership, nearly all our governement is puppet from the BAO (bloc americano occidental). Especially Didier Burkhalter, now heading OSCE. The propaganda towards Nato is as strong as in other EU country, but witout understanding well the situation, a majority still agree with the 4 pillars of our national identity: neutrality, national milice army, federalism and independant national currency.
Someting like 3 year ago Swiss received with all State honour President Medvedev, our biggest energy trust has invest 4 billions in nort stream, I hope that Swiss will continue to go on very firm towards eurasiatic partnership.
this is how the euromaidan crowd treat the injured (contrast with how the injusted ukrainian pilot was treated by people in slavyonsk)
Retweeted 108 times
Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina 14h
Right Sector makes burn victims in #Odessa crawl down a “corridor of shame” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfqoWVwmP2Q … A bloody end to #UnitedforUkraine.
Summary from https://twitter.com/spainbuca
~ 9:30 UTC
Everything suggests that the Russian planes that flew toward Odessa must have dropped some cargo; the ones that flew above Donetsk, who knows.
I repeat: Minister of the Interior is trying to announce the suspension of elections.
On military planes at the Kiev base, white emblems have been painted above the Ukrainian coat of arms
Someone suggests this may be meant to show a peaceful disposition toward Russian planes when they are flying.
Right now, members of the Ukrainian military high command are on the other side of the border in the Donetsk region talking with the Russian army.
Saker, как Вы думаете, позиция, представленная в этой статье имеет под собой обоснование? Трудно поверить, что РФ в данной ситуации не является самостоятельным игроком. Все-таки дестабилизация Украины, и фашисты в колыбели нашей цивилизации – больная пощечина для всех нас.
Kalithea has it right. We won’t hear anything from Nazi Pillage and the UN blow-up human rights dolls.
They like burning people alive. Back in’93, when the Croats gang-raped and burned alive a score of Serb girls in the Medak Pocket, Louise Arbour refused even to investigate. Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry kept submitting their dossier to her, and she kept refusing to look at it. As a reward, she became UN Commissioner of Human Rights, and now heads the International Crisis Group. In a just world, she would be behind bars as an accessory after the fact to aggravated rape.
Apart from Richard Falk, I can’t name one honest judge working at the international level. They are all a disgrace, and their betrayal of humanity is bringing the world to the brink of war. I understand they have to meet in The Hague because they’re considered too dissolute to sit in the Rieperbahn.
if putin is to play this one smart, he will not support separatist in ukr and try to win elections in ukraine via pro russian sentiment and general disatisfaction in western ukraine.
if election will not be transparent then plan b will follow i guess…
the events in Odessa a certainly tragic with all the people killed and maimed, but I am very worried about following news
then “Austrian” at 20:59 is reporting tanks of NATO Bundeswehr transiting Austria eastbound..
Anonymous at 02:55 reporting about expected serious troubles in Oman..
Personally I am witnessing a massive campaign originating from USA to sow chaos in our company here in Switzerland with the intend of demoralizing people.. (a strategy well explained by Tomas Schuman)
I am a pessimist, but it looks to me that Zio-NATO would be up to stage some truly ugly event on a global scale..
The banderivtsy have renewed their attack on Kramatorsk.
В Краматорске завязался бой: погибли три мирных жителя (In Kramatorsk battle began, killing three civilians)
“Hundreds of residents took to the streets to confront the soldiers death squads.
According to representatives of the People’s Militia Kramators’k armed men in uniform without opoznovatelnyh characters [insignia, national markings?] entered into the city and shoot in self-defense activists. According to preliminary reports, three people were killed, another wounded.
One of the supporters of federalization told LifeNews that was attacked by one of the checkpoints. According to him, the city has snipers.
– Despite the loss, we are going to cover the way Ukrainian soldiers, – said one of the militias.
According to the reports again, the locals themselves set fire to several trolleys and buses , blocking, thus, access for heavy military equipment Ukrainian death squads.
Locals also told LifeNews, that Ukrainian soldiers fired on ordinary people.
– It’s chaos – outraged resident Kramators’k in response to a request LifeNews reporter talk about what is happening in the city. – Ukrainian army shooting at his people. They glorify Bandera, so let us celebrate it without! At the same time, we are for them – terrorists. That I am a terrorist? Or this young boy?
On the night on May 3 Kramatorsk reports of armed clashes. As a result, the night battle on the outskirts of the city, dozens of people were injured and at least one was killed. According to the militias, Ukrainian troops were pushed back from the city and spend regrouping, preparing for new attacks. Later, in the suburbs of Slavic and Kramators’k were again heard gunshots . Activists say self – there was an armed clash between militia fighters and radicals, to the south-east of the Kiev authorities.
Yet a few hours later on the outskirts of Kramators’k explosion . Later it turned out. Popular militia that blocked the road for part of the route from Kramatorsk and Slavic lorries and gas cylinders. Apparently, one of them exploded.”
@Tom Garrett: re pressure for preemptive strike on USSR
Here, for example, in a chronology of critical events in JFK and the Unspeakable by James W. Douglass, a book which is extremely heavily and exactly referenced:
“July 20, 1961: At a National Security Council Meeting, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and CIA Director Allen Dulles present a plan for a preemptive attack on the Soviet Union ‘in late 1963, preceded by an period of heightened tensions.’ President Kennedy walks out of the meeting, saying to Secretary of State Dean Rusk, ‘And we call ourselves the human race.’”
“September 12, 1963: At a National Security Council Meeting, the JCofS again present a report evaluating a projected nuclear first strike against the Soviet Union, in a time scheme of 1964 through 1968. ….[JFK] passes over without comment the report’s implication that the remaining months of 1963 are still the most advantageous time for the United States to launch a preemptive strike.”
For further info go to The State Department history, National Security Policy for 1961-63, pages 499-506, and for further discussion pages 439-440 in JFK and the Unspeakable.
The challenges the author had in locating some of this involved a FOI and the declassification of Top Secret documents in 2005….
This attempt to ‘achieve’ first strike capacity has continued to this day, imo.
Looks like this guy is quite “close to the action”, but I don’t understand russian.
Thank you, I deeply appreciate your very kind words, but with all due respect, no. People’s attitude towards us should NOT change: why should anyone anywhere be any less livid because one little old lady disagrees with her country’s foreign policy?
There are decent people here — some even understand though most are still sleep-walking — but we’re ALL OF US responsible for these horrors because we lived high off the hog for a very long time at the expense of anyone anywhere we didn’t or don’t consider “us”. That’s wrong, it always was wrong, and with the exception of *some* people for *very* short periods of time, “we” did nothing to stop it. And we’re sure not now, either.
Do understand this, though: when it comes time for us to get ours, we will, in spades — we’ll do it to ourselves — and I can’t imagine a soul anywhere else wanting to lift a finger to help us. Nor, frankly, should they.
Saker, am I wrong about this or is Putin’s reluctance based in large part on a profound cultural and historical lack of blood-lust? I mean, we certainly have no compunction Just Plain Destroying… women, children, cultures, societies: really, that’s just what we do, at home and abroad. But apart from Kiev being holy as the beginning of both Russia and her Orthodox faith and wondering how any Orthodox Russian could attack it despite it being perhaps the prime military target, I am so struck by the great desire of the people, all over Ukraine really, not to kill their own. I sure don’t see that here — even the militia types supporting Bundy are now at each other’s throats. I’m not being very articulate here and don’t really know how to take this observation, if it is real, to the next step because I just bump into this wall of “How does morality fight immorality without losing in this life?”
this is all due to apparent ~(not real ( weakness of Russian leadership to be assertive and her inability to come to rescue of her allies. Russia always fights rearguard action because it has no agenda or plan other than to beg from her very enemies who want to destroy russia by one means or another..kick stupid lVROV THE BOOTLICKER OF WEST.
It looks like this (Saker’s) analysis really had some points. In fact, also the Chief Usurer (via IMF) did warn the Nuland’s boys in Kiev that if they were not able to keep southeastern Ukraine under their boots, they would get no loans to plunder. So they set off their thugs!
Thugs do what thugs do. In Odessa, they have burned alive 40 persons, though western media whores will report this disgusting, cold-blooded mass murder as a mass suicide. Even whores do what whores do. Not a single western politician has condemned this ferocious assassination. But again, whores do what whores do.
Tens of people killed are also reported from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, following the crackdown ordered by the Galician Junta.
Ladies and gentlemen, you are witnessing the only freedom and democracy that US (taxpayers) dollars bring to the people who dare to object in the poor Countries targeted. Forget the European Union. European leaders are just bought or blackmailed poodles; the wife of Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, can be foul-mouthed, but she knows what she talks.
The Latvian Prime Minister, presenting her respects in Washington, has just asked for a big target to be put on Latvian people, in case things should go really bad. She didn’t bother to check what people living in Latvia (Saeima included) think about that, as people are just feeding stocks for demonocracies. They don’t give a damn about what they think and want.
This is the last from Syria. There Christians have to thank Hezbollah for the liberation of their sacred places, as Maloula, and their safety. Go figure! And the desecration of St. Vladimir memorial in Kiev should dissolve any doubt about the real, ultimate target of the western demonocracies’ offensive.
The witness of Christ is the only thing which holds, which prevents the demonic hordes to gain complete control of the world. That’s the reason why the Christian Sovereign has been constantly targeted and destroyed by the Demonocratic Empire since this Empire’s first cry, the Cromwellian blood-bath in England. Now that the witness of Christ has been almost completely eliminated or hopelessly distorted in the West, Russia is the final target, the hardest but the last!
This is the reason why Russia is a constant target, the most coveted prey. They thought they had finally got her, after the Demonocratic Empire achieved its most powerful weapon, the Federal Reserve system, and unleashed useful idiots as Kerenski and bloodthirsty beasts as the Bolsheviks on her. But Christ means always resurrection, no matter how perfectly you seal the tomb!
So they are a little mad, that they have to start all over again. It’s for this that now they seems to be out in the open, they don’t care anymore to conceal or hid, also because they feel strong enough to don’t give a damn about the cattle (me and you) reaction. We’ll see!
What could we do? Alas, not much. Many commentators think that we, the common people, are to blame for this triumph of savagery, for our apathy or indifference. This is only partially true, and for sure I don’t accept a single ounce of blame for the devilish path on which the West has embarked. But it is true that we ordinary folks often don’t do also the little that we can.
Very soon we in Europe will be called to vote for a new European Parliament. Well, let us make these elections in a gigantic cry: ENOUGH! Let us send there a mass of anti (current)EU people; just find out the most EU-critic party in your Country, and vote for them!
And pray! Start finally praying or pray more.
What should be done? Kill the dollar! Kill the dollar system (i.e. the usurpation of monetary sovereignty) and you will force the reset on the D-Empire; they will have to start over from rubble. But that’s not something ordinary people can do.
For the links, go here:
ref my previous comment, found out only now
was written two years ago, hopefully the situation isn’t as tense..
>>>Looks like this guy is quite “close to the action”, but I don’t understand russian.
You see, in these times language is one of the major disadvantages of the Russians.
When some American emits bullshit, everybody in the world gets the message.
When some Russian tells reasonable stuff, nobody can understand him.
So, my dear Russians, if you want to get your message to the world, use English!
people of east ukraine! rise! defend freedom and defeat fascism!
the people stand beside you. western goverments and media do not represent us. we will carry your revolution around the globe and bring it home to amerika herself.
power to the people
thank you wikispooks for the entertainment but also the excellent imo overview of Germany vis a vis Russia, etc.
P.S. – That (western) devilish path is chosen by common people too, most assuredly, people who feel justified to look the other side or to rationalize the evil or even to support it in order to survive in a cold and unforgiving world, never mind if the world is cold and unforgiving just BECAUSE OF THEM. Grunt-people, who consider good and evil as relative, i.e. good is what is convenient for them and if that means to kill cold-blooded an innocent, well, amen to that.
But I have nothing to share with them, nothing to share with the progeny of the devil, least of all their guilt.
It seems to have become clear overnight that the self defense forces of the East were bluffing and that the IMF/Kiev regime was not bluffing. Why can’t Putin use drones to vaporize the Right Sector columns and simply deny it, like the the US does? I think Putin is going to have come down somewhat to the level of the Empire. No ground assault, but he should immediately dispatch aircraft (unmarked) or drones and eliminate the Nazi advance, right? If not, why not?
I see no evidence that Russian spetznaz are active in the Ukraine or that Russia is doing anything to dispel the growing impression that while they “talk the talk” (plenty of that) they are unwilling to “walk the walk”. This nourishes western arrogance and encourages the crooks, drunks and goons in Kiev that–just as the Americans have been telling them–Russia can be “faced down”.
The Ukrainian military will not seize control or even begin to “come over”–this is the “game changer” I have been hoping for–without assurance that the Russians are firmly behind them.
I thank Robert S for his reasoned response and will reply–hectic morning here–as soon as I can grab sufficient time.
“Nora said on 03 May, 2014 13:24…
I’m not being very articulate here and don’t really know how to take this observation, if it is real, to the next step because I just bump into this wall of “How does morality fight immorality without losing in this life?”
Maedhros said on 03 May, 2014 13:38…
This is the last from Syria. There Christians have to thank Hezbollah for the liberation of their sacred places, as Maloula, and their safety. Go figure!”
Dearest Nora and Maedhros,
Here is a video of Hassan Nasrallah being interviewed by Julian Assange. Pay extra attention to the last question of Assange to Nasrallah.
Nasrallah replies that every person is born with two gifts endowed by the Supreme Being. One, is instinct that we are all born with knowing right and wrong. Knowing what is Good and what is Evil. Everyone, whether he/she believes in the religion or an atheists is born with this instinct. This is the Shia belief.
The Sunni believe like most of the other religions that “Good Morals” are learned behavior and the atheists don’t posses “Good Morals”. According to Sunni, we are taught by God, that lying is wrong therefore we don’t lie. If tomorrow, God tells us that lying is good, then lying will be OK. To the Shia, we are all born with instincts that lying is wrong. Murder is evil and so forth.
The second thing that God has endowed with is Intelligence.
As far as Syrian Christians are concerned, they are the real disciples of Prince of Peace Jesus (as) since 2014 years ago. They speak Aramaic like the Prince of Peace (as) did.
There is a concentrated effort to destroy everything related to Prince of Peace (as), thus ensuring that the Prince of Peace (as) never existed at all. I remember, someone telling me that there is no town called “Bethlehem” in old days as proven by the archeologists. My answer was do you know what “Bethlehem” means?
It means, “Slaughter House”, therefore Jesus parents owned a very, very large ranch selling meat to the people, and therefore not very many houses on the ranch.
In Quran, it says, “allah plans and satan plans” and then the Quran asks the question, “who is the best of the planner”. God is involved into the day to day management of this earth.
So rejoice. The Kingdom of Prince of Peace (as) will come, no matter what Satan plans.
I have a question about the IMF’s 17bln usd on the condition that the Kiev-freaks don’t stop the violence.
Russia is a member of IMF, how can Russia tolerate such deals? How can they still be part of IMF after such criminal deals?
@Austrian writes “local media propaganda has redoubled and is trying to portray all the casualties as due to Russia, by juxtaposition and weasel words”. Exactly my impression here in Italy. On a soi-disant far-left radio news slot the op-ed (after announcing the deaths at the hands of far right extremists) concluded that it was all Putin’s fault. Parting shot: “He will do anything to destabilise Ukraine”. It is as though the fire has caused the blood to go to their head. It seems to excite them. They’re less objective than ever.
Well said, Maedros.
Here’s T. Cartalucci’s take on the Odessa massacre and the standard double-standard hypocrisy of western MSM in its coverage of said event.
I really need to learn how to embed the links so they’re one-clickable. Copy-and pasting just seems so… archaic. And quite the chore in this day and age. Like getting up off the couch to turn the channel, the horror, exhausting just thinking about it.
My condolences to family and friends of the slaughtered freedom fighters in Odessa.
My question is, what can pro-Russian activists in the US do to help? Is Russia accepting foreign volunteers?
Thank you for that summary article, Colinjames. And thanks to all contributors here for the links provided. To all, I don’t mind copy-and-pasting, just wish I had more command of other languages to be fully informed of what the world is thinking.
Here in the US, such education is woefully lacking, and even the teaching of Spanish in our southwestern states under attack. Americans are not only misinformed, they are undereducated to boot, because knowledge is power and that cannot be allowed.
But like people everywhere, even an undereducated American can follow the good dictates of human conscience. I light my candle in respect and hope for the good people of Ukraine; God be with them against those who would do them harm.
I will not downplay the fundamental differences in our faiths, but I have no difficulty in affirming that I find much more Christian values in Shia Muslims than in the whole modern Protestant world or in Vatican hierarchies.
I am aware of the severity of this judgement of mine, but I’ll stand by it! After all, the Lord said: “If you love me, keep my word!”. From this, any honest observer cannot conclude but the emptiness of their Christianity. They will be the ones who will cry “Lord, Lord” at the Last Day and the Lord will answer them: “I do not know you!”.
An astute observer will also note the striking similarity between the development of Sunni Islam and (post-schismatic) Christianity on one side and Shia Islam and Orthodox Christianity on the other side.
Both Sunni and Papist/Protestant did force the divine message to comply their material and worldly needs, in function of social and political dominion, turning their faces and hearts away from Heaven and toward kingdoms of this world.
They should have known whom the kingdoms of this world belong!
Their bloody history afterward testifies against them.
“By their fruits, ye shalt know them.”
Shia Islam and Orthodoxy share also a complete lack of persecutions against people of different faiths, as far as my knowledge of Shia goes (admittedly, not so far), probably because Shia are themselves followers of a Martyr.
Even if they execute apostates, I think, and of course we can’t accept this.
I also remember that the Lord, willing to teach us who our neighbor is, did choose a Samaritan, not a Jew.
And yet, the Lord Himself stated that Samaritans were in error (encounter with the Samaritan woman at the Jakob’s well).
Exterior trappings does not make you Abraham seed, but keeping the Law of God in your heart!
One thing for sure: I am deeply grateful to Nasrallah and Hezbollah for defending Christians and remit to God’s Judgement the Israeli authorities that even this year have made their best to impede Palestinians Christians to celebrate the Lord’s Pascha.
Mohamed and Maedhros,
Thank you both very much, and yes (as usual!) to just about everything both of you said. Mohamed, Mr. Nora and I are both curious as to your learnings on the word Bethlehem — we’re aware that Islam has different “takes” on various Bible stories (the Flood, Moses, Jesus, Mary) and what I know of them is very interesting and deepened my awareness and thinking of the stories I grew up with. But I am not aware of the Bethelem one — could you please elaborate on it a bit? But yes, absolutely to a sense of right and wrong and intelligence being innate — I’ve always, always, always believed that. And Maedhros, it’s fascinating, isn’t it, that every time we think we finally appreciate just how bad these things are all around us, we learn they’re even worse.
Bethlehem is my personal translation of two Arabic words, “beth” meaning house and “lehem” meaning meat. Thus, combining these two words, it then becomes “House of Meat” or rather “Slaughter House”.
Remember, Jesus spoke Aramaic, a sister language of Arabic. Hebrew was dead then and was revived from Arabic during 19th century. My Jewish friend corrects me by telling me that Hebrew wasn’t dead it was dormant.
allah is two words too. The first word is “al” which is the definite article “the” and the second word is “ilah”.
ilah is same as eloh. Both ilah and eloh (elohim) are feminine nouns. Go Figure!
ilah/eloh can be made into plural (three or more, not like the plural in English, which is two or more). Whereas, allah being two words cannot be made into plural.
English has five vowels, whereas Arabic/Hebrew has three short vowels and the same three long vowels. So you can see, how many ways Mohammad is written in English, but the word is same in Arabic.
If one wants to say, ‘my God”, then one would say elohi/ilahi. It would be wrong to say allahi.
Since short vowels are not written in Old, old Arabic and Modern Arabic, so “my God” could be eli/eloi and many, many variants in English language due to 3 vowels vs 5 vowels.
Another gem, in answer to my own question about the IMF extorting the coup gov into launching a civil war. From a former World Bank employee.
Thanks, me. Your welcome, me. Har har just kidding obviously. But you are welcome, Juliana. It’s the least I can do, and actually the best I can do, is spot the pieces that best inform and analyze, as best I can tell.
In reply to-
“Grunt-people, who consider good and evil as relative, i.e. good is what is convenient for them and if that means to kill cold-blooded an innocent…”
I’m not the only proponent of this principle “Mr. saint”, your deified hero Putin, subscribes to the very same. Even Saker admits, with justification naturally, that he raped and burned the Chechens into near extinction rather than permit “mother Russia”,or more to the point Gasprom, to be denied access to those precious pipelines around Grozny. He even terrorized a few Russian cities just to have a sufficient pretext and enough horror and outrage from the holy serfs to support his murder campaign in Chechnya. I’m not condemning him, just wondering aloud why folks like you willfully permit themselves to be hoodwinked with the pretense that somehow their thugs are ordained by God. I say do what you must and don’t be shy, just make sure you get yours when the smoke clears. After all, why must only the priests and oligarchs benefit today, while the suffering masses get fed prayers and promises of some harps and angelic hymns in heaven. I’ll take mine off the top and live well here and now, and be damned in the afterlife. When you have a fixed sense of right and wrong, you leave yourself open to crowned thieves and robed hypocrites. I’ll decide right from wrong for myself depending on the circumstance and how it relates to my own self preservation. If all the little people retained their right to judge instead of abdicating it to the “better judgement” of ancient myths written by even more ancient liars, there would be less theft and murder in the world. Because both would be very expensive ventures and hardly worth the expense. Try having to fight for every dime, brick and patch of land, every oligarch would be a cripple. That’s my dream of the future, away with the myths and taboos, and let the efficient and the fearless prosper
Wiz-Oz, a very great many Jews, not all certainly but undoubtedly the ruling Zionazi elite, hate all non-Jews. That is the essence of Judaism, and is the reaction to the Nazi Judeocide plus the hatred of colonial imperialists to those who support the ‘primitives’ whose land the Chosen People are stealing, on God’s orders, apparently.
Wiz-Oz, a very great many Jews, not all certainly but undoubtedly the ruling Zionazi elite, hate all non-Jews. That is the essence of Judaism, and is the reaction to the Nazi Judeocide plus the hatred of colonial imperialists to those who support the ‘primitives’ whose land the Chosen People are stealing, on God’s orders, apparently.
“I’ll take mine off the top and live well here and now, and be damned in the afterlife.”
Amen! If that is your choice, so be it.
We were made in His likeness, namely absolutely free, always free to choose.
But Hell starts already in this life, be warned. So, I hope you will reconsider your choice.
I was very tempted to rebuke your many and widespread inconsistencies, logical, historical, factual inconsistencies. You are the perfect product of nearly two centuries of ever more pervasive demonocratic propaganda.
But I will abstain from that, for two main reasons.
First of all, because doing so would feed my worst demon, intellectual pride, as it would be like beating a paralytic.
But above all, because I have tried too many times to disprove vainly a teaching of the Lord to try once again.
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast
ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
P.S. – Obviously, you also haven’t the slightest idea about who a Saint is.
Yes, but Christ is Risen!
So their worse does not impress me too much anymore.
The hebrew word “lehem” does not mean meat, but bread. Therefore, the idea that “beit lehem” means house of meat, or slaughter, is quite wrong. Slaughterhouse, if you’re interested, is “ketzevet” from “Katsav”, butcher. That’s right, Israel’s eighth president chose the hebrew surname, butcher. But nobody non-jewish seems to try to learn hebrew. Except me. they don’t encourage it.
In reply to-
“First of all, because doing so would feed my worst demon, intellectual pride, as it would be like beating a paralytic.”
Ok priest/ Imam or whatever you think you are, it might be better for you to target a more vulnerable crest, an easier prey to digest, because I’m very willing, ready and able to engage the likes of you on my own terms. Don’t they teach you con artists to avoid the real thing or risk exposure? I’ve noticed you preaching from your high perch in several posts here and I’ve held my fire too, but if you feel bold enough to try me, then by all means let’s open that portal and settle this. Just remember, I don’t play by your rules.
P.S- With regards to your lord and his teachings on pigs and pearls, you better save those fairy tales for your sheep because I for one, never understood why such a silly and obvious advice would be considered “wise” by any one with an iota of common sense. Who in all of history, besides maybe your lord, would even contemplate feeding pearls to pigs? And why with all the worlds Ailments would the son of god waste his time amongst men giving advice no one needed or asked for. I doubt your lord ever even authored such an idiotic statement, you know like the tale of the sun standing still, so a few ignorant Jews could more efficiently murder and pillage their hapless victims, it is obvious that either Moses was ignorant of physics, or the scribe/ monk who pretended to be recording his thoughts was. Same principle applies here, some lying historian of a monk probably wrote his ideas on swine and pearls and presented it to the credulous sheep as heavenly wisdom. No wonder Putin is striving to keep his serfs under the thumb of the priesthood, keeps the serfs both holy and ignorant, which serves your purposes as well as his equally. You still care to school me priest?
You still care to school me priest?
Of course not. I thought I was clear in the previous post.
It would be like explaining to a first-grader the confutation of any possible creative power of Chance by applying the logic of Tarski.
I’d just add that’s very easy to be efficient and fearless killing people on the other side of the world maneuvering a joy-stick in Nevada or bombing defenceless Countries (we have another name for that efficiency), then…. you meet someone more efficient than you.
At that time you shall find out that your master is the father of lies, but it will be too late.
P.S. – It’s Americans who live under martial law, not Russians.
Grunt-people, who consider good and evil as relative, i.e. good is what is convenient for them and if that means to kill cold-blooded an innocent…
I’m not the only proponent of this principle “Mr. saint”, your deified hero Putin, subscribes to the very same.
Brother Grunt, you are mistaken my friend. You are searching for justifications for the evil things you must do.
You will remain irrevocably tied to the things which you fear.
Please check my post begining with the words Vampires, Zombies and Werewolves under Saker’s sick note post, roughly 25 comments down. Let me link to it here:
Which one are you? I bet you can guess. You are the frightened assassin. You would not be here if you were a psychopath or a pharmaceutically soaked Zombie.
Trust me my friend, you cannot overcome your fears by making others even more frightened of you. There are good things to live and even to die for.
I am not taunting you. I am talking to you — at the barricade. My message is that we need you so break the spell of those monstrous Vampires who are possessing your soul.
@a very great many Jews, not all certainly but undoubtedly the ruling Zionazi elite, hate all non-Jews. That is the essence of Judaism, and is the reaction to the Nazi Judeocide
Agree with you mate, but don’t put the cart before the horses. It is the essence of Judaism. Full stop.
The following video was filmed by pro-junta blogger inside Trade Union House Odessa on 2nd may late night. It contains both shocking content and remarks. Yet the translation is not necessary even if you don’t understand Russian/Ukrainian. Just see this.
The video filmed by pro-junta blogger in Trade Union House Odessa. Beware of shocking content.